Thank you! I kind of hate that there's so much debate over whether being gay is a choice or a not. What does it matter? Even if it is a choice, it's still nobodies business...The dialogue needs to move away from whether sexuality is a predisposition to the rights of individuals.
Two weeks ago I told my parents something that was welling up inside of me for years. I sat them down, waited until they were done eating their spaghetti, and then I broke it to them. I said "Mom. Dad. I'm straight." They were speechless. They haven't looked at me the same since...
It never ceases to amaze me that people make up words, and label themselves, and others. Here is the fact, you are human, not gay, not straight, not bisexual, human, and human only. Homosexual behavior is just that, behavior. It does not make you anything other than what you are/were before behaving that way, human. Humans are unfortunately born with a sinful and rebellious nature. Not all of them act out in the same way, but they all have the same root problem, sin. God forgives sin though.
I agree with this. But I have to say that I think it is actually gay people who use this as a defense more so than others because they feel it will give them leverage as far as attaining rights and acceptance goes. I think it is more harmful because from what I have seen some people may have same sex attraction all their lives and others can go through a "phase" and the only person who can say whether it is choice or not is that person and choice vs. nature can cloud the process.
It's wrong when underage girls are influenced by the profit driven entertainment industry into being homosexual. Lesbian behavior is associated with male bashing which is imprinted on pre adolescent girls minds and preys on young socially struggling minds. Boys are not targeted the same way and young males do not become gay due to environmental influences anyways. Sorry, males and females are different psychologically and physically, not politically correct to say that but it's reality.
Continued: My point is, the only way I can convey to my parents that it is not their fault that I turned out gay and that this is not an act of rebellion is to affirm that being gay is not a choice.
Again, I do commend you on your positivity and pride for being who you are. I'm just trying to bring in the perspective of how a parent would feel if you basically told them 'I'm choosing to be gay to spite you.'
Continued: Many parents equate being gay on the level of using hard narcotics, drinking and driving, and getting pregnant. Any good parent would not want to see their children spiral out of control. So telling your parents that you choose to be gay is like telling them you chose to get pregnant at 15. It's a slap in their face; it's disrespectful to the people who raised you. You're basically telling them to f*ck off, and that you do not care for their feelings.
First of all, I do see your point about standing up for yourself (in another video), and I do like your positive spin on the 'choice' issue. But you're ignoring the context in reality. Conservative Christians back their beliefs with the Bible (as absurd as it is), so when you say you choose to be gay, then they want to 'help' you and convert you back to the straight way.
Because BISEXUALS are the ONLY ones that can CHOOSE between the 2 sexes!
Im pretty sure some of the HETEROS wouldn't like to hear truth about their REAL sexuality and the only way they battle their real feelings is by grabbing a bible and become Homophobes.
REAL STRAIGHT PEOPLE are OK with gays cause their SECURE with their sexuality and dont feel threatn by gay people.
ZJemptv Jesus Christ want to save your soul it's time to Repent; time is running out . God give men time to repent and if he give men time to repent then a mans time can run out, do not ignore the call for salvation; Romans 10:9,10. God Bless
It's okay for you to have your own beliefs and opinions, but if someone tried convincing you were wrong about your faith, wouldn't you think they were wasting their time and energy trying to convince you of something you don't even perceive to be true? Think about it for a second, and realize that posting bible verses on youtube is just wasting your own time you could be spending doing better things with your life.
@Kojitsu Don't you understand Christians are doing the Father's will by winning souls and sparing them of the terrible fate that awaits those who deny Jesus Christ as Lord. Christians know God is real and his words in the bible are true and we understand not everyone will be saved.....This is why don't delay for many didn't get a second chance and they will stand before God on Judgment day because they never repented, nor accepted Jesus who is the only that can save us and forgive our sins.
You're still wasting your time, lol, you weren't listening to me! Look go ahead and believe whatever you want, I have my own beliefs, just respect the fact that not everyone is like you and live your life.
@Kojitsu Read Revelation chapter 20, 11 to 15 - The Great White Throne Judgment it will explain what will take place on Judgment day...Pray that God will open your eyes that you may understand.
@sargepuke00 You believe what people say because it makes you fell good,the fact is if you heard the Truth you would call it trash.It is a choice,I see gay and lesbians always changing their mind,so to claim it's not a choice is absolute bullshit.Excuse the profanity.
Homosexual is normal too. Gay people are the same way. They didn't have to kiss a person of the opposite sex to know their sexual orientation either. They've always been gay. When people begin wanting to date, they don't experiment with men and women, and then choose to be
gay, straight, etc. They are acting on desires that are already present. Therefore, both sexual preferences are naturally occurring. Regardless of your opinion, they deserve the same respect as Str8 ppl
Homosexual is normal too. Gay people are the same way. They didn't have to kiss a person of the opposite sex to know their sexual orientation either. They've always been gay. When people begin wanting to date, they don't experiment with men and women, and then choose to be
gay, straight, etc. They are acting on desires that are already present. Therefore, both sexual preferences are naturally occurring. Regardless of your opinion, they deserve the same respect as Str8 ppl
@BlueShark20201 well being straight is a choice, thats not that complicated. Like look at that chick damn I choose to think shes so hot right? Oh look at those boobs I choose to be turned on by them cuz I chose to be straight. I get turned off by men because I chose to be straight. very logical right?
Besides if there is one thing I will disagree on, it is transexuals. You are born the gender you have. You shouldn't change who you are, I don't understand it. For example, A gay guy wants to be a female, yet he has no intimate affection for the gender he wants to become, so why is he trying so hard to be one.
Here is my opinion, if Homosexuals should get equal rights then so should people who practice beastiality should have equal rights. Homsoexuals keep saying it is not a choice, then that means we should make equal rights for people who are zoophiles, incest, or are pedophiles. They are born that way right? Wrong. It is and always has been a choice, every single person on this earth is born straight, something happens in their life that makes them choose homosexuality.
@1Morey That is profoundly stupid, and here's why: Even if homosexuality was a choice, it's a choice that only affects the person who made the choice. Being a pedophile has a negative effect on others. If you can't see why it's wrong to compare these things, I sincerely hope you never have children. I just noticed you're only 17. Maybe you should wait until you understand something before you voice an opinion on it.
@clauditorium, I was being sarcastic. I would not want this to happen, I just said I'm sick and tired of homosexuals thinking they don't have rights. They do have rights, they just want every single person in the world to like them. And they say they were born this way. If that's true, then so are pedophiles, zoophiles, and incestuals.
@clauditorium, I was being sarcastic. I would not want this to happen, I just said I'm sick and tired of homosexuals thinking they don't have rights. They do have rights, they just want every single person in the world to like them. And they say they were born this way. If that's true, then so are pedophiles, zoophiles, and incestuals.
@clauditorium Although I agree with your opinion, you hit below the belt when it comes to age, age has nothing to do with maturity or ability to understand things, although time can help you fully shape your opinion. Ageism is a bit stupid, if it was true all elders would be wise, which I, personally, can say is untrue. As an 18 year old I will say that although I do not know everything, I know far more than many of my elders. I could understand if they were 9 or 10 but 17 can be a legal adult
I don't support gay rights. I love the people, but I don't not like how they live. IT's wrong and unnatural. Sorry if you don't agree, but this is wrong..
well it does matter because being black is not something u can change. being gay is. also two adults consenting to sex is appropriate, but what about two adults that are related... for example a dad and his daughter?
What is your aim anyway? You know that nobody ever turns gay or straight. You are what you are, and no "public opinion" will change that. Can you live with facts, or are fantasies a necessary part of your life?
Nobody wants you to be what you're not. Are you insisting OTHERS change to please YOU?
Stop the bullying. Your anti-gay feelings are your problem. Live with it.
Equality isn't asking your permission, it will come with or without you!
The question is not whether being gay is a choice, but rather if being gay is inherently bad by somehow restricting my personal autonomy. Since it is not, the government has a moral obligation to not infringe.
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Your a fool don't ever compare being black to homosexuality not even close, you really need to think about what your saying if you say a child cannot consent to sexual acts then how in the world can it define itself as being gay or not, because it comes to an age were he/she chooses and that stems from the life they had as a child, try sitting and listening to a homosexuals life story and put the pieces together and it makes sense that it's a choice.
@ZJemptv I'm never worked up just stating the truth and when we choose to state truth with facts behind them there is no reason to get worked up, people only get worked up when they have no truth behind what they believe or no basis either, and then try to force another to trust that John 8:44 Trust it I'm praying for you
@ZJemptv ...and I was'nt worked up about the pedophilia because I see that is a problem to with the large number of cases of abused boys by men (another sign of homosexuality), but comparing it to civil rights is just ignorant and totally unrelated, because never in history has a mans choice of how he lives have resulted in mass slavery by one race, or the killing and rape, and segregation of a country, and dehumanizing to keep the white race preserved, thats not Gods plan and neither is gay.
@ZJemptv Being a pedophile applies to everyone. However, being a different color does not. I experienced/ see gays being racists in Utah, especially, especially, the Whites. Yeah, I said it. Whites hiding behind mormons and their communities. You're victims??????????? nuff said.
@ZJemptv i like the way you say distraction :) makes me giggle *in a very good way* i am not making fun of you at all it just makes me giggle because ive never heard it before :) *hugs to you Zinnia* and PS. im sorry i comment on every video of yours...i jsut cant help on how awsome you are in every video
@ricorob100 You dont seem to understand what a you are actually saying... By saying homosexuality is a choice you are:
1. suggesting people enjoy being bullied and told they are not natural and sinners.
2. that straight men and women could turn gay if they really wanted to.
3. that it is a problem that can be fixed.
Homosexuality is not something you can control, thus making it a natural occurance. You can make people believe they are not gay but in my opinion that isn't right.
@raggerXX so what your saying to the thousands of men and women that have come out of homosexuality and are now living heterosexual lives and have children, embraced what truth is and excepted jesus christ as lord, and are much happier that they are faking it. you control it by not believing what your being fed Lies. theres nothing natural about gay men having shorter life spans 42 years old, or having higher suicide rates, 6 times higher for drugs and alcohol, and higher depression rates.
@ricorob100 Do you realize that almost all of that is due to societal intolerance of homosexuals? If society didn't hate the LGBT community so much, we would live just as long as anyone else.
Oh, and I don't believe in your little fairytale book, but it does have one good rule in it: Judge not lest you be judged. Please follow your own rules before forcing them on others.
@raggerXX and were is all this bullying that your stating, I see more bullies in the public school over who's the dork and not one case of who's the gay guy/girl, why because that's the only way to soften the hearts of people to make it sound life lives are being threatened, and it's not the case. So sure straight men/women could turn gay if they chose to or if they choose to be stimulated in that order, because our culture say if it feels good do it, no harm, wrong.
@raggerXX But we choose to look at the physical side and not the spiritual side, in the joining of souls through sexual experiences (the term soulmate), and the gay culture is all about hooking up with no commitment and thats natural right, we might as well legalize prostitution then. All I'm saying is get to the root of your sin as the bible says gays, drug addicts, alcoholics, etc, listen to a gay person and understand the hurt they feel, or abuse they suffered & you'll see the choice.
@ricorob100 Isn't that what so many gay and straight couples do today. However just like marriage there are people who stick with there partners for the rest of there lives. In my opinion are whole culture is about hooking with people, dosn't matter if it is a gay or straight relationship. I still do not see how you can think of it as a choice... If they were abused and felt pain through out there lives then why would they go for more... I just dont see the sense.
@raggerXX Well I guess you would have to sit down and listen to a persons story that has come out of that lifestyle, and hooking up is not what everyone is doing we have desires as humans made to procreate but to act out on those desires is totally different, don't you think that hooking up is a problem gay/straight why go through the issue of protecting yourself from a virus but not understand why our bodies were not made for immorality, the bible says to flee sexual immorality not run to it
@ricorob100 So what are you saying? If you gather all the homosexuals up and listen to their life story it will all have some similarities as to why they all "became gay"? Many children with completely perfect normal loving childhood's are gay. It doesn't matter if you've heard a few stories that are similar. Why are you even watching a video about homosexuality? Did you accidentally come upon it and decided to watch?
"we have a right to practice our own religious choice" she says. Except the issue with homosexual "marriage" as a "civil right" takes that away if it is legalized. Gays currently have every right to continue a domestic partnership, but re-defining marriage forces those who object on a moral basis to approve: with no choice.
Completely and utterly agree - whether sexuality is biological or a result of society, that doesn't effect the morality, and the morality is that two consenting adults should be allowed to have sex or enter a legal relationship, whether those adults are opposite sex or same sex.
being gays not a choice, i was born gay, and i cant choose to be straight,,, not that i would if i could i love girls to much but still, and i think its a little messed up you compaired being gay to being a pedophile.
Here’s an observation that I’d life to share for people who feel "being gay is a choice":
It does NOT matter if being gay were a choice" or NOT --because-- buying a car; getting married; sitting down; etc.– are ALL “choices”
And YET no one expects to have their humanity diminished for making “a choice” about their life in any other respect
Thus, even IF being gay were “a choice”, WHY should making a "choice” about one’s life & body suddenly mean also having to forfeit & LOSE one’s HUMANITY?
for most people attraction is the consequence of marketing. in the middle ages bbw or rubenesque women were considered attractive. in the 1980s it was perms and pubic hair. In the 1970s it was legs. Most people just go with their "programming". its the same with being gay. certain types are more attractive than others because thats whats promoted. and if you dont go with the herd, youre already acknowledging that attraction is a personal choice
women run on cash. coin is like gas to them, so thats why you need to put something in to get something out. in reality women are like a pinball game. as long as you feed them money you can have a hell of a time but if you slap them around or whatever you get the giant tilt of your life. gay men are much simpler they fuck for fun and thats another reason i choose to be gay!!
You are so right. To argue over inateness is to concede that there is something wrong, with differing sexualities. It implies that if we HAD or COULD make the choice not to be hetrosexual that would be immoral.
It is saying I was born this way please take pity on me, I can't help this infliction.
It is like admitting that homosexuality is some kind of diesease or mistake that cannot be helped.
Semantics are an even bigger distraction. My "proud of an accident?" argument sparked a lot of hatred over gays who got offended that I called being gay an accident. Apparently, they were gay on purpose. Or argument of the term "sexual preference." Hey, I prefer white chocolate chip macadam nut cookies, but that doesn't mean I chose that predisposition. But you can't argue with people who WANT to be offended.
homosexuality is not a choice, why would someone choose being hated by society, being treated as a mentally ill individual who needs help with everyone telling you that you are going to hell?
If someone "chooses" to be a pedophile, since you bring it up, shouldn't they be granted the same rights and protection as gay people? And if you say "no, because pedophilia is illegal", does that mean that if being gay became illegal, that you would shut up and accept things like that? And if you say "No, because it doesn't harm someone", then would it be acceptable to be a pedophile if the child enjoyed it? Sorry, but something being a "choice" is relevant. So is intent, and right/wrong.
God tells us to be nice to everyone, and that includes gay people. When you insult gay people, you are violating God's wish for us. He tells us to pray for our enemies, not hate them. I know you are going to come back at this comment with something stupid like "go to hell faggot" but that just makes you seem like a troll.
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@aznlalaland@ZJemptv@MySocksSmell2 one doesn't need to be religious to not like gays. Part of my irritation with gays(beside the obvious behavior) is that like most people(including gays) dont like being told what they should or shouldnt feel. I dont like gays,it doesn't mean i will say or do anything to them IRLI would just ignore them and not socialize with them outside of a professional context, but me even saying that gets me hate from gays.gays are more "in the face" compared to others
Before blacks, women, etc got their rights they were also in your face. They sill are, but you got used to it. But to you teh fags and dykes are a nuisance. Just another heterosexist.
Christian behavior corresponds to empirical fact but "being" a christian doesn't. Christian persons do not exist. There are only people who practice a christian lifestyle. One is a christian because one thinks one is a christian. That's why those addicted to christian thoughts & feelings make it a priority to recruit others into their lifestyle, especially children. Christianity is a choice. Highly motivated people can give up the myth of christian identity & change their religious orientation.
Maybe you didn't choose your christian feelings but you can choose how to act on them. Don't hang out where christians congregate. When you have a christian thought, pinch yourself. Join an ex-christian support group. If a religious predator molested your mind as a youngster with obscene notions of a christian hell, such child abuse could have led to a religious identity crisis & your christian tendencies. Christianity is reinforced by repetition. Seek reparative therapy to deconvert & be cured.
@IKillBabyKittensLOL Sick person you are to deduce that from my statement on the immoralness of homo-ism. Even sicker the terms that you are using like 'baby pussy'. Filthy psychologically screwed up person you are.
Homosexuality is wrong, and immoral as much as pedophilia is.
@IKillBabyKittensLOL Stupid fool. Consented sex between 2 males or 2 females is wrong, immoral, its a psychiatic illness, it is a great social pollution as is murder, gambling, and prostitution. It shouldnt be legal because its not normal.
@1officemax But still, the point stands that you claim raping a toddler is more 'moral' than gay sex. From your posts I can deduce that if you were given the choice of raping a child or having sex with a man you'd rape the child since to you it's the lesser of two evils.
@IKillBabyKittensLOL Your capacity to deduce is worse than your choice in who to have sex with. I didnt claim any of that bullshit, it is you who is not sensitive to the severity of pedophilia when you used the term 'baby pussy'. This suggests that you are indeed a sick person, desensitized to all things wrong and immoral. I hope the Feds trace your internet visits because Im a little more than concerned about you as a potential pedophile.
@1officemax I'm a seventeen year old female. The feds cannot trace me because I am not a stupid redneck American. No offense to the smarts ones among you.
So do you take back your statement on pedophila being more moral than homesexuality?
@IKillBabyKittensLOL You can claim to be a 200 year old witch but that doesnt make it true. You are most probably a gay pedo. Responding to your 17 year old alter ego - FUCK OFF you little uneducated inexperienced shit. Dont respond to this because I'm bored of you.
@1officemax What makes you think I'm pro-gay, let alone gay myself. I am anti-pedo. I am disgusted that you claim paedophilia and toddler rape more exceptable that homesexuality.
If you want proof of my gender and age I am can change my picture to me in any pose you want(
@1officemax You know what else is not "normal" or natural, not in the bible, and thus clearly against god's will?
The internet, cars, the light bulb, electricity in general, TV, laundry detergent, and even the machines that made your copy of the bible! Cotton-poly blends are expressly forbidden in the bible, too!
In fact, homosexuality occurs in nature, so it's more natural than any of those things! I think that qualifies as normal.
Stop using the internet, you gambling prostitute murderer.
@aznlalaland@ZJemptv what about people who choose adult incest or bestiality? Thing is even thought it's their choice(as for beast..we eat,own,use animals for sport as it is) people won't like it regardless if it's a choice or a inborn trait. My point is that yes gays should have the same rights as everyone else in terms of the law etc, but gays don't have the right to expect people to accept them in their personal life. No one has that right
@kolokostor You are assuming moral issues should be decided based only on an assessment of "damage." Not everyone agrees with this simplistic view of ethics.
"even though being gay does no damage at all" Being gay doesn't. Gay sex does. The societal damage done by homosexuality and bisexuality by introducing HIV into the general population is incalculable. By your own measure, homosexuality and bisexuality have had catastrophic effects on society.
@kmsoileau your kidding right?....arguments like that make me wanna slap babies. The leading cause of HIV and AIDS it African Americans taking the disease from africa and bringing it here. (Im not racist, but its true. I do my research) Were not constantly making AID babies, so just dont
@kolokostor As a matter of fact, gays were the first Western social group to be infected and transmitted it to the genberal population via bisexual sex.
@ErinaceousFriend "Homosexuality doesn't." You do realize that homosexual rape occurs every day? And that AIDS made its way into the general population through gay and bisexual sex? What color is the sky on YOUR planet?
@kmsoileau Heterosexual rape also occurs everyday, but it's not heterosexuality that's hurting the victim, it's the action of rape. AIDS is also passed through heterosexual sex, but it's not heterosexuality that's hurting those infected that way or even heterosexual sex, it's irresponsible sex.
I said "A man/woman AND his/her lover need never be "discovered" to be gay. I should think it was fairly obviously that as partners, each would know the other was gay. However, that you would even think I would miss something that basic in presenting my position proves there is no need to say anymore. I mean, when the conversation gets to disagreements over what the meaning of "is" is, forget it.
@TJ347 Well alright, I found your use of "discovered" in quotes to be kind of cryptic. Still though, you can't just blow off the fact that their lover knows their orientation. What happens if you break up and your lover is feeling vengeful and tells other people? The only way to stay completely safe from discrimination would be to never have any relationships. And if you wanted your relationship to have any legal rights at all, you would need people to know you're gay.
@TJ347 I guess all I'm really saying is that it's not something that's really easy to hide. Is it as hard as a black man trying to hide the fact that he's black? No, but it's still damn near impossible to go your whole life without anybody ever knowing you're gay.
I have noticed that some people do choose to be gay, but because of mainly emotional connections. For example, I'm originally bisexual, but I prefer females, so I don't date males anymore and I'm not even much attracted to them anymore, so I just call myself a lesbian.
After watching the first minute of this video, I immediately subscribed. You're clear, lucid, and succinct, making all of your videos compelling to watch.
black thing again. race isn't a choice. homosexuality is hence there are some ex-homosexuals who say they have become straight so dont compare me to ur SICK sexuality. having sex with someone of the same sex in an action and actions u DO have control over! blacks were dehumanized for no good reason. homosexuality is wrong. its a fact! live with it and stop being in denial.
@nikitty020 "homosexuality is hence there are some ex-homosexuals who say they have become straight" -All ex-gay ministries and ex-gays admit that they only change their behavior, not orientation.
"having sex with someone of the same sex in an action and actions u DO have control over!"- We know that, so do heterosexuals.
"blacks were dehumanized for no good reason."- And there is good reason to dehumanize homosexuals?
"homosexuality is wrong. its a fact!"- where did you find this "fact"?
@MaterialBoyx3 thats a LIE! many ex homosexuals say they are no longer gay. they've even admitted this on tv shows. even the tyra show! why are homosexuals such horrible liars?! they're not gay anymore just accept it. why r u in denial? u know damn well they arent gay why r u twisting their own words? accept the fact that gays CAN change. stop hiding behind ur lies!
@nikitty020 "thats a LIE! many ex homosexuals say they are no longer gay." -Well assuming these specific cases are not in denial, it would still not speak for whole populations. Also you are missing the point, even if I could change being gay, why would I want to change it? " why r u in denial? u know damn well they arent gay why r u twisting their own words?"- I won't bother responding to the excess rhetoric.
@MaterialBoyx3 "having sex with someone of the same sex in an action and actions u DO have control over!"- We know that, so do heterosexuals. lol umm were u attempting to make a point here? i was saying that means gays CAN choose not to have sex with the same sex because its an action. where u planned to go with that pathetic response no one will ever know.
and no one is dehumanizing u! they're only disapproving u and for good reason. common sense tell everyone its wrong. guess ur lacking.
@nikitty020 "having sex with someone of the same sex in an action and actions u DO have control over!"- Sweetheart, this is something you originally posted not I.
"and no one is dehumanizing u! they're only disapproving u and for good reason."- What would this reason be? Gay is wrong because it is a choice? So being Christian is also wrong? Would discrimination be okay against blacks, if it were a choice? As you said: "where u planned to go with that pathetic response no one will ever know."
@MaterialBoyx3 umm "sweetheart" i KNOW that! i reposted it so u'd know what i was responding to. by saying "We know that, so do heterosexuals. " u didnt make a valid argument! lol God ur slow.
i already wrote my blog on why homosexuality is wrong so dont try to make it look like theres no good reason. and stop using my race to defend perversion!
@nikitty020 "u didnt make a valid argument! lol God ur slow."- You're right, I did not make an argument at all. And I am the slow one.
"i already wrote my blog on why homosexuality is wrong so dont try to make it look like theres no good reason."- Yeah because what you write on your blog is objectively true, right? There is no refuting it. What college did you do your doctorates degree in? "and stop using my race to defend perversion!"- Stop using your stupidity to perverse my sexuality.
As a black man, I am sick of gay people relating their being gay to being black. First off, you can all hide the fact that you're gay, among a number of other differences. So, please choose a new group to associate yourselves with, if only because your comparison to black people is inaccurate as hell.
@MaterialBoyx3 Funny. Now how does what you're saying relate to my point? Gay people need to fight their own damn battles and stop hiding behind those of me and mine. You can hide being gay all the days of your life, but I can't hide being black, so the analogy is a poor one as well as an insult.
@TJ347 Sure, you can hide being gay as long as you never want to have any relationships or get married or do anything to pursue happiness. Your civil rights battle is analogous to ours in many, many ways, and there is absolutely nothing insulting about that fact. Get over it.
@SuperStuff01 What you're missing is that you have the OPTION not to have anyone know what you are. That's not an option for the overwhelming majority of people of color. Many gay people do not participate in actions that would advance gay causes because they exercise the option not to be known publicly as gay. Again, we don't have those options, so to compare your situation to that of people of color is, as I said previously, an insult. Don't take it from me... Ask your black friend.
@TJ347 How is this different from me saying "You have the OPTION not to be perceived as black because you could just cover your body in a white sheet every time you go outside."? Sure, gay people can completely hide who they are, but only at an enormous expense to their own well being and happiness - they wouldn't be able to fall in love or have any relationships at all.
@SuperStuff01 You don't have to do anything other than avoid being seen kissing or holding hands with some dude, and you want to compare that to a black person having to wear a white sheet to hide the fact that they're black? Again, please stop comparing the bullshit gay people have been and are going through to the experiences of black people, as it is insulting to many of us. But don't take my word for it... Ask some random black people and see for yourself.
@TJ347 Actually, they wouldn't be able to kiss or hold hands with ANYONE, EVER. If you wanted to kiss someone you'd have to tell them that you are gay, thus breaking your cover. So yes, I am comparing having to wear a white sheet your whole life with going your whole life without any form of physical intimacy ever. My point is, sure, gay people can hide it, and so can black people, but only at a huge expense to their personal happiness, and this isn't something we should expect them to do.
@SuperStuff01 What? A man/woman and his/her gay lover need never be "discovered" to be gay. Even before Rock Hudson, this had long been done. As homosexuals, you ALL have the ability to do that; that is my point. I'm not blocking your road to "personal happiness", I'm just saying stop trying to pretend we're riding the same bus to get there. Your battle is your battle. For lack of a better way of putting it, don't try and claim other people's "Purple Hearts".
@TJ347 Of course they need to be discovered. You can't have a gay relationship with another person without them knowing that you're gay. If you were to hide your sexual orientation completely, you couldn't ever do anything intimate with anyone you're in love with. Hell, you couldn't even TELL them that you're in love with them. And I'm not even getting into equal rights issues. If you want to get married, good luck hiding the fact that you're gay from the government.
you make a good point, but I was just wondering if it is a choice or not. nothing to do with it having implications, more of a curiosity thing. I've heard about studies claiming it has to do with genes or stress during pregnancy, but I've also met people that make it seem like a choice. I have also met people that make it seem like its the only way for them. is it possible that its innaite in some people, while others choose it?
@dandil The cause of ALL sexual orientations is something that has not being decided upon by the science community, however 'choice' has been ruled out. If you meant environmental (which is not necessarily a choice), yes there are people who sometimes have oriental changes ; no denying it. This is mostly do to the likely possibly of what causes homosexuality on a microbiological level. All sexualities are understood to be poly-genetic. Which means millions of genes result in sexual orientation.
And I have the right to find homosexuality as disgusting and a perversion. And, since I see it that way, I also have the right to accept it as "not normal".
@piusvapor And we have the right to find homosexuality okay and support it and gay people's rights. We have the right to find people like you ignorant and small-minded.
@haterboyhatesfags No it's not. If a woman has several baby boys, her womb sees the fetus as an unidentified object. Her womb then releases antigens which femenize the baby. (I'm straight for the record.)
its not about it mattering or not people base their hatred of gays on the basis that it is a choice this to them justifies their hate some people will never accept us so if we cannot persuade them to accept that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality we can expose that there beliefs are based on bullshit that is simply untrue we cannot yet prove that being gay is not a choice but we know that it is we must try to let others accept that fact
@ZJemptv Society expects us to conform to certain values and norms at least out in public and there are unwritten laws
There is some room for discussion on just how government or the law is suppose to work ,is government suppose to insure equality of outcome or equality of opportunity ? does freedom of religion mean freedom from religion?
My issue is not that people are gay but when a gay tells me they choose to be gay and I have to accept it and support it
@TheMuninn "Society expects us to conform to certain values and norms at least out in public and there are unwritten laws"
Nobody is required to be heterosexual. And the government has no place regulating whether an individual must only engage in relationships with men or with women.
"My issue is not that people are gay but when a gay tells me they choose to be gay and I have to accept it and support it"
You don't have to accept it. All you have to do is not obstruct our equal rights.
@ZJemptv I don't see marriage as a right in the same sense as free speech but more of something you have to earn and something you do for economical reasons
We both have the exact same options to who we are potentially allowed to marry so i see it as being equal "If people choose to be gay, that means you chose to be straight. So why should you have any rights - the same rights that gay people don't have?"
Anything i see as a right has nothing to do with sexual orientation like voting
@ZJemptv "Any heterosexuals can marry immediately in some Las Vegas drive-thru wedding without having to "earn" a thing."
You have to earn it in the sense you have to convince someone that you are a good spouse or make an effort to be someone guys would want to marry
"So, if we ban straight marriage and only allow same-sex marriage, can I tell you it's "equal" when you only have the option of marrying another man?"
Yes I can choose to be gay or marry a guy and have sex with females
If you wan to get married so badly then don't choose to be gay or stay gay and marry a female. You don't have to have sex with her, just go out and have sex with guys
Why change the law just because a minority of the population chosen to be gay, its not like you were born that way
@TheMuninn The law accommodates people who choose to be straight. Why not us? Doesn't it seem odd that a man can marry a woman, yet for some reason, a woman can't do the same - and vice versa? Doesn't make much sense.
Thank you! I kind of hate that there's so much debate over whether being gay is a choice or a not. What does it matter? Even if it is a choice, it's still nobodies business...The dialogue needs to move away from whether sexuality is a predisposition to the rights of individuals.
kikis2s2 1 week ago
You're brilliant. Keep it up and you'll change the world.
Also, I've played First Suite a million times and it never gets old.
Holst is AMAZING.
landonicity 2 weeks ago
@ZJemptv what a magnificent mind you have, you shoul back to make videos
xmenprince 1 month ago
Two weeks ago I told my parents something that was welling up inside of me for years. I sat them down, waited until they were done eating their spaghetti, and then I broke it to them. I said "Mom. Dad. I'm straight." They were speechless. They haven't looked at me the same since...
Why you hatin?
jardo5000 1 month ago
It never ceases to amaze me that people make up words, and label themselves, and others. Here is the fact, you are human, not gay, not straight, not bisexual, human, and human only. Homosexual behavior is just that, behavior. It does not make you anything other than what you are/were before behaving that way, human. Humans are unfortunately born with a sinful and rebellious nature. Not all of them act out in the same way, but they all have the same root problem, sin. God forgives sin though.
MrDanrob62 1 month ago
32 people are homaphobic.
LeonieLovesFashion 1 month ago
I agree with this. But I have to say that I think it is actually gay people who use this as a defense more so than others because they feel it will give them leverage as far as attaining rights and acceptance goes. I think it is more harmful because from what I have seen some people may have same sex attraction all their lives and others can go through a "phase" and the only person who can say whether it is choice or not is that person and choice vs. nature can cloud the process.
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Are you telling me that an armaphrodite (BORN WITH BOTH SEXES) CAN'T FIND LOVE WITH A MAN OR A WOMAN EVER?
You're telling me that GOD create that human being, to never find love and send that person to Hell? Remember is BORN WITH THE 2 SEXES.
Because based on you're theory this human:
Cant have sex with a MALE cause have the same sex and...
Cant have sex with a WOMAN cause have the same sex
ARE YOU SAYING GOD CONDEM THAT INNOCENT HUMAN BEING TO HELL BEFORE IT WAS BORN? NOT!
NuLaifMusic 2 months ago
It's wrong when underage girls are influenced by the profit driven entertainment industry into being homosexual. Lesbian behavior is associated with male bashing which is imprinted on pre adolescent girls minds and preys on young socially struggling minds. Boys are not targeted the same way and young males do not become gay due to environmental influences anyways. Sorry, males and females are different psychologically and physically, not politically correct to say that but it's reality.
zettadom 2 months ago
Continued: My point is, the only way I can convey to my parents that it is not their fault that I turned out gay and that this is not an act of rebellion is to affirm that being gay is not a choice.
Again, I do commend you on your positivity and pride for being who you are. I'm just trying to bring in the perspective of how a parent would feel if you basically told them 'I'm choosing to be gay to spite you.'
kennethjohnson 2 months ago
Continued: Many parents equate being gay on the level of using hard narcotics, drinking and driving, and getting pregnant. Any good parent would not want to see their children spiral out of control. So telling your parents that you choose to be gay is like telling them you chose to get pregnant at 15. It's a slap in their face; it's disrespectful to the people who raised you. You're basically telling them to f*ck off, and that you do not care for their feelings.
kennethjohnson 2 months ago
First of all, I do see your point about standing up for yourself (in another video), and I do like your positive spin on the 'choice' issue. But you're ignoring the context in reality. Conservative Christians back their beliefs with the Bible (as absurd as it is), so when you say you choose to be gay, then they want to 'help' you and convert you back to the straight way.
kennethjohnson 2 months ago
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Watch this video and learn, It talks about an 18 MONTH OLD BABY boy wanting barbies and to be a girl.
Now what does an 18 MONTH OLD BABY knows about sexuality?
How can you tell a baby NOT to be gay, when a baby don't even know what gay or straight means?
You're born gay you DONT CHOOSE to be gay!
CHECK THIS VIDEO HERE ON YOUTUBE AND LEARN:
Biological Bases of Homosexuality (part 1)
NuLaifMusic 2 months ago
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PEOPLE WHO SAY that being GAY IS A CHOICE
MEANS that THEYRE BISEXUAL!
Because BISEXUALS are the ONLY ones that can CHOOSE between the 2 sexes!
Im pretty sure some of the HETEROS wouldn't like to hear truth about their REAL sexuality and the only way they battle their real feelings is by grabbing a bible and become Homophobes.
REAL STRAIGHT PEOPLE are OK with gays cause their SECURE with their sexuality and dont feel threatn by gay people.
NuLaifMusic 2 months ago
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Here's a video you should watch here on you tube:
The 'Gay Brain' Explained - Louann Brizendine
Also just google:
GAY BRAIN
And you're going to see all the recent discovery that gay man's brain is like a femles and Lesbians brains are like males.
Scientifictly proven, that is not a choice you are who you are since the night your parents... well... you know... and here we are!
NuLaifMusic 2 months ago
if being gay was a choice i would choose to be gay, but the thought of fucking a guy is horrible to me
MegaTress1 3 months ago
ZJemptv Jesus Christ want to save your soul it's time to Repent; time is running out . God give men time to repent and if he give men time to repent then a mans time can run out, do not ignore the call for salvation; Romans 10:9,10. God Bless
sprinkle888 4 months ago
@sprinkle888
It's okay for you to have your own beliefs and opinions, but if someone tried convincing you were wrong about your faith, wouldn't you think they were wasting their time and energy trying to convince you of something you don't even perceive to be true? Think about it for a second, and realize that posting bible verses on youtube is just wasting your own time you could be spending doing better things with your life.
Kojitsu 2 months ago
@Kojitsu Don't you understand Christians are doing the Father's will by winning souls and sparing them of the terrible fate that awaits those who deny Jesus Christ as Lord. Christians know God is real and his words in the bible are true and we understand not everyone will be saved.....This is why don't delay for many didn't get a second chance and they will stand before God on Judgment day because they never repented, nor accepted Jesus who is the only that can save us and forgive our sins.
sprinkle888 2 months ago
@sprinkle888
You're still wasting your time, lol, you weren't listening to me! Look go ahead and believe whatever you want, I have my own beliefs, just respect the fact that not everyone is like you and live your life.
Kojitsu 2 months ago
@Kojitsu Read Revelation chapter 20, 11 to 15 - The Great White Throne Judgment it will explain what will take place on Judgment day...Pray that God will open your eyes that you may understand.
sprinkle888 2 months ago
Well being a homo is a choice,it's not that complicated.
BlueShark20201 4 months ago
@BlueShark20201
being gay is not a choice
sargepuke00 4 months ago
@sargepuke00 You believe what people say because it makes you fell good,the fact is if you heard the Truth you would call it trash.It is a choice,I see gay and lesbians always changing their mind,so to claim it's not a choice is absolute bullshit.Excuse the profanity.
BlueShark20201 4 months ago
@BlueShark20201
Did you have to kiss a person of the same sex to know you were straight?
sargepuke00 4 months ago
@sargepuke00 No,it would come out as gross in a normal persons mind as gross to kiss the same sex.
BlueShark20201 4 months ago
@BlueShark20201
Homosexual is normal too. Gay people are the same way. They didn't have to kiss a person of the opposite sex to know their sexual orientation either. They've always been gay. When people begin wanting to date, they don't experiment with men and women, and then choose to be
gay, straight, etc. They are acting on desires that are already present. Therefore, both sexual preferences are naturally occurring. Regardless of your opinion, they deserve the same respect as Str8 ppl
sargepuke00 4 months ago
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@BlueShark20201
Homosexual is normal too. Gay people are the same way. They didn't have to kiss a person of the opposite sex to know their sexual orientation either. They've always been gay. When people begin wanting to date, they don't experiment with men and women, and then choose to be
gay, straight, etc. They are acting on desires that are already present. Therefore, both sexual preferences are naturally occurring. Regardless of your opinion, they deserve the same respect as Str8 ppl
sargepuke00 4 months ago
@BlueShark20201 well being straight is a choice, thats not that complicated. Like look at that chick damn I choose to think shes so hot right? Oh look at those boobs I choose to be turned on by them cuz I chose to be straight. I get turned off by men because I chose to be straight. very logical right?
BUAHAHAHAHAHAHA
ExdeathXInfinity 2 months ago
@ExdeathXInfinity It's called immoral lust with ignorance but you don't even want to know so what's the point?
BlueShark20201 2 months ago
Besides if there is one thing I will disagree on, it is transexuals. You are born the gender you have. You shouldn't change who you are, I don't understand it. For example, A gay guy wants to be a female, yet he has no intimate affection for the gender he wants to become, so why is he trying so hard to be one.
1Morey 5 months ago
Here is my opinion, if Homosexuals should get equal rights then so should people who practice beastiality should have equal rights. Homsoexuals keep saying it is not a choice, then that means we should make equal rights for people who are zoophiles, incest, or are pedophiles. They are born that way right? Wrong. It is and always has been a choice, every single person on this earth is born straight, something happens in their life that makes them choose homosexuality.
1Morey 5 months ago
@1Morey That is profoundly stupid, and here's why: Even if homosexuality was a choice, it's a choice that only affects the person who made the choice. Being a pedophile has a negative effect on others. If you can't see why it's wrong to compare these things, I sincerely hope you never have children. I just noticed you're only 17. Maybe you should wait until you understand something before you voice an opinion on it.
clauditorium 4 months ago 5
@clauditorium, I was being sarcastic. I would not want this to happen, I just said I'm sick and tired of homosexuals thinking they don't have rights. They do have rights, they just want every single person in the world to like them. And they say they were born this way. If that's true, then so are pedophiles, zoophiles, and incestuals.
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@clauditorium, I was being sarcastic. I would not want this to happen, I just said I'm sick and tired of homosexuals thinking they don't have rights. They do have rights, they just want every single person in the world to like them. And they say they were born this way. If that's true, then so are pedophiles, zoophiles, and incestuals.
1Morey 4 months ago
@clauditorium Although I agree with your opinion, you hit below the belt when it comes to age, age has nothing to do with maturity or ability to understand things, although time can help you fully shape your opinion. Ageism is a bit stupid, if it was true all elders would be wise, which I, personally, can say is untrue. As an 18 year old I will say that although I do not know everything, I know far more than many of my elders. I could understand if they were 9 or 10 but 17 can be a legal adult
xXShayLynnXx 3 months ago
I don't support gay rights. I love the people, but I don't not like how they live. IT's wrong and unnatural. Sorry if you don't agree, but this is wrong..
Thatsamistery 5 months ago
@Thatsamistery
There is nothing with being gay and it is natural.
sargepuke00 4 months ago
well it does matter because being black is not something u can change. being gay is. also two adults consenting to sex is appropriate, but what about two adults that are related... for example a dad and his daughter?
Gods0n1 5 months ago
Hay, semantics do matter.
qwer58j 6 months ago
GREAT!! WELL SAID!!!
lekewido3 6 months ago
Being heterosexual isn't normal, just common.
What is your aim anyway? You know that nobody ever turns gay or straight. You are what you are, and no "public opinion" will change that. Can you live with facts, or are fantasies a necessary part of your life?
Nobody wants you to be what you're not. Are you insisting OTHERS change to please YOU?
Stop the bullying. Your anti-gay feelings are your problem. Live with it.
Equality isn't asking your permission, it will come with or without you!
schlummieleinchen 6 months ago
@famicom1985 "cough" troll "cough"
ItsEasyIfYouThink 6 months ago
This was awesome!
ItsEasyIfYouThink 6 months ago
Nice logical warrant with pedophilia.
The question is not whether being gay is a choice, but rather if being gay is inherently bad by somehow restricting my personal autonomy. Since it is not, the government has a moral obligation to not infringe.
My opinion, anyway
Leader0fNothing 7 months ago
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Your a fool don't ever compare being black to homosexuality not even close, you really need to think about what your saying if you say a child cannot consent to sexual acts then how in the world can it define itself as being gay or not, because it comes to an age were he/she chooses and that stems from the life they had as a child, try sitting and listening to a homosexuals life story and put the pieces together and it makes sense that it's a choice.
ricorob100 7 months ago
@ricorob100 "Your a fool don't ever compare being black to homosexuality not even close"
Yeah, I also compared it to pedophilia. Yet I don't see you getting so worked up about that.
ZJemptv 7 months ago 9
@ZJemptv I'm never worked up just stating the truth and when we choose to state truth with facts behind them there is no reason to get worked up, people only get worked up when they have no truth behind what they believe or no basis either, and then try to force another to trust that John 8:44 Trust it I'm praying for you
ricorob100 7 months ago
@ZJemptv ...and I was'nt worked up about the pedophilia because I see that is a problem to with the large number of cases of abused boys by men (another sign of homosexuality), but comparing it to civil rights is just ignorant and totally unrelated, because never in history has a mans choice of how he lives have resulted in mass slavery by one race, or the killing and rape, and segregation of a country, and dehumanizing to keep the white race preserved, thats not Gods plan and neither is gay.
ricorob100 7 months ago
@ZJemptv Being a pedophile applies to everyone. However, being a different color does not. I experienced/ see gays being racists in Utah, especially, especially, the Whites. Yeah, I said it. Whites hiding behind mormons and their communities. You're victims??????????? nuff said.
corrottov111 5 months ago
@ZJemptv i like the way you say distraction :) makes me giggle *in a very good way* i am not making fun of you at all it just makes me giggle because ive never heard it before :) *hugs to you Zinnia* and PS. im sorry i comment on every video of yours...i jsut cant help on how awsome you are in every video
DeathIIV 4 months ago
@ZJemptv Way to answer his question.....
MyHAUZ 1 month ago
@ricorob100 You dont seem to understand what a you are actually saying... By saying homosexuality is a choice you are:
1. suggesting people enjoy being bullied and told they are not natural and sinners.
2. that straight men and women could turn gay if they really wanted to.
3. that it is a problem that can be fixed.
Homosexuality is not something you can control, thus making it a natural occurance. You can make people believe they are not gay but in my opinion that isn't right.
raggerXX 7 months ago
@raggerXX so what your saying to the thousands of men and women that have come out of homosexuality and are now living heterosexual lives and have children, embraced what truth is and excepted jesus christ as lord, and are much happier that they are faking it. you control it by not believing what your being fed Lies. theres nothing natural about gay men having shorter life spans 42 years old, or having higher suicide rates, 6 times higher for drugs and alcohol, and higher depression rates.
ricorob100 7 months ago
@ricorob100 Do you realize that almost all of that is due to societal intolerance of homosexuals? If society didn't hate the LGBT community so much, we would live just as long as anyone else.
Oh, and I don't believe in your little fairytale book, but it does have one good rule in it: Judge not lest you be judged. Please follow your own rules before forcing them on others.
Tamugetsu 6 months ago
@raggerXX and were is all this bullying that your stating, I see more bullies in the public school over who's the dork and not one case of who's the gay guy/girl, why because that's the only way to soften the hearts of people to make it sound life lives are being threatened, and it's not the case. So sure straight men/women could turn gay if they chose to or if they choose to be stimulated in that order, because our culture say if it feels good do it, no harm, wrong.
ricorob100 7 months ago
@raggerXX But we choose to look at the physical side and not the spiritual side, in the joining of souls through sexual experiences (the term soulmate), and the gay culture is all about hooking up with no commitment and thats natural right, we might as well legalize prostitution then. All I'm saying is get to the root of your sin as the bible says gays, drug addicts, alcoholics, etc, listen to a gay person and understand the hurt they feel, or abuse they suffered & you'll see the choice.
ricorob100 7 months ago
@ricorob100 Isn't that what so many gay and straight couples do today. However just like marriage there are people who stick with there partners for the rest of there lives. In my opinion are whole culture is about hooking with people, dosn't matter if it is a gay or straight relationship. I still do not see how you can think of it as a choice... If they were abused and felt pain through out there lives then why would they go for more... I just dont see the sense.
raggerXX 7 months ago
@raggerXX Well I guess you would have to sit down and listen to a persons story that has come out of that lifestyle, and hooking up is not what everyone is doing we have desires as humans made to procreate but to act out on those desires is totally different, don't you think that hooking up is a problem gay/straight why go through the issue of protecting yourself from a virus but not understand why our bodies were not made for immorality, the bible says to flee sexual immorality not run to it
ricorob100 7 months ago
@ricorob100 So what are you saying? If you gather all the homosexuals up and listen to their life story it will all have some similarities as to why they all "became gay"? Many children with completely perfect normal loving childhood's are gay. It doesn't matter if you've heard a few stories that are similar. Why are you even watching a video about homosexuality? Did you accidentally come upon it and decided to watch?
mark40511 6 months ago
Me? I'm straight, but I want to be bisexual. I can't make that choice, but homophobics seem to avoid acknowledging that when talking to them.
luclfersangel616 7 months ago
"we have a right to practice our own religious choice" she says. Except the issue with homosexual "marriage" as a "civil right" takes that away if it is legalized. Gays currently have every right to continue a domestic partnership, but re-defining marriage forces those who object on a moral basis to approve: with no choice.
elijahhascome12 7 months ago
Completely and utterly agree - whether sexuality is biological or a result of society, that doesn't effect the morality, and the morality is that two consenting adults should be allowed to have sex or enter a legal relationship, whether those adults are opposite sex or same sex.
SimonDegenerateTrash 7 months ago
being gays not a choice, i was born gay, and i cant choose to be straight,,, not that i would if i could i love girls to much but still, and i think its a little messed up you compaired being gay to being a pedophile.
TheLesbianskater 8 months ago
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Here’s an observation that I’d life to share for people who feel "being gay is a choice":
It does NOT matter if being gay were a choice" or NOT --because-- buying a car; getting married; sitting down; etc.– are ALL “choices”
And YET no one expects to have their humanity diminished for making “a choice” about their life in any other respect
Thus, even IF being gay were “a choice”, WHY should making a "choice” about one’s life & body suddenly mean also having to forfeit & LOSE one’s HUMANITY?
EmailTubeYou 8 months ago
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fucking hate homos
dubstepiseverything 8 months ago
fucking hae homos
dubstepiseverything 8 months ago
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for most people attraction is the consequence of marketing. in the middle ages bbw or rubenesque women were considered attractive. in the 1980s it was perms and pubic hair. In the 1970s it was legs. Most people just go with their "programming". its the same with being gay. certain types are more attractive than others because thats whats promoted. and if you dont go with the herd, youre already acknowledging that attraction is a personal choice
verysoliy 8 months ago
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women run on cash. coin is like gas to them, so thats why you need to put something in to get something out. in reality women are like a pinball game. as long as you feed them money you can have a hell of a time but if you slap them around or whatever you get the giant tilt of your life. gay men are much simpler they fuck for fun and thats another reason i choose to be gay!!
verysoliy 8 months ago
You are so right. To argue over inateness is to concede that there is something wrong, with differing sexualities. It implies that if we HAD or COULD make the choice not to be hetrosexual that would be immoral.
It is saying I was born this way please take pity on me, I can't help this infliction.
It is like admitting that homosexuality is some kind of diesease or mistake that cannot be helped.
pbran2007 8 months ago
Semantics are an even bigger distraction. My "proud of an accident?" argument sparked a lot of hatred over gays who got offended that I called being gay an accident. Apparently, they were gay on purpose. Or argument of the term "sexual preference." Hey, I prefer white chocolate chip macadam nut cookies, but that doesn't mean I chose that predisposition. But you can't argue with people who WANT to be offended.
TheCeejReturns 8 months ago
being religious is a choice... a very stupid choice...
kappkids 8 months ago
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homosexuality is not a choice, why would someone choose being hated by society, being treated as a mentally ill individual who needs help with everyone telling you that you are going to hell?
xblindxxpainx 8 months ago
If someone "chooses" to be a pedophile, since you bring it up, shouldn't they be granted the same rights and protection as gay people? And if you say "no, because pedophilia is illegal", does that mean that if being gay became illegal, that you would shut up and accept things like that? And if you say "No, because it doesn't harm someone", then would it be acceptable to be a pedophile if the child enjoyed it? Sorry, but something being a "choice" is relevant. So is intent, and right/wrong.
jf797 8 months ago
this video is sooooooo true
cheez78910 8 months ago
@GaysAreWeirdPervs
God tells us to be nice to everyone, and that includes gay people. When you insult gay people, you are violating God's wish for us. He tells us to pray for our enemies, not hate them. I know you are going to come back at this comment with something stupid like "go to hell faggot" but that just makes you seem like a troll.
SpiderNigs 8 months ago
@GaysAreWeirdPervs Journal of Abnormal Psychology Copyright 1996 by the American Psychological Association, Inc.
1996, Vol. 105, No. 3,440--445 0021-843X/96/$3.00
Is Homophobia Associated With Homosexual Arousal?
The authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men... Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic
individual is either unaware of or denies.
You don't fool anyone.
moopism 8 months ago
@aznlalaland @ZJemptv @MySocksSmell2 one doesn't need to be religious to not like gays. Part of my irritation with gays(beside the obvious behavior) is that like most people(including gays) dont like being told what they should or shouldnt feel. I dont like gays,it doesn't mean i will say or do anything to them IRLI would just ignore them and not socialize with them outside of a professional context, but me even saying that gets me hate from gays.gays are more "in the face" compared to others
ubermisogynist 9 months ago
@ubermisogynist
Before blacks, women, etc got their rights they were also in your face. They sill are, but you got used to it. But to you teh fags and dykes are a nuisance. Just another heterosexist.
TheThordir 8 months ago
Christian behavior corresponds to empirical fact but "being" a christian doesn't. Christian persons do not exist. There are only people who practice a christian lifestyle. One is a christian because one thinks one is a christian. That's why those addicted to christian thoughts & feelings make it a priority to recruit others into their lifestyle, especially children. Christianity is a choice. Highly motivated people can give up the myth of christian identity & change their religious orientation.
MySocksSmell2 9 months ago
Maybe you didn't choose your christian feelings but you can choose how to act on them. Don't hang out where christians congregate. When you have a christian thought, pinch yourself. Join an ex-christian support group. If a religious predator molested your mind as a youngster with obscene notions of a christian hell, such child abuse could have led to a religious identity crisis & your christian tendencies. Christianity is reinforced by repetition. Seek reparative therapy to deconvert & be cured.
MySocksSmell2 9 months ago
Hey.. Zinnia.. I love you <3
I agree with everything you said here.
GlambertGal23 9 months ago
Do pedophiles deserve the same rights ? They get 25-life. Homosexuals deserve the same - their immorality upon society is even more severe.
Homosexuals do not deserve rights because of their crime. I am offended when I see homosexuals, they defy the natural order of society and life.
1officemax 9 months ago
@1officemax So.....raping a toddler is more justifable than having sex with a person of the same sex?
Hmm, someone wants baby pussy.
IKillBabyKittensLOL 9 months ago
@IKillBabyKittensLOL Sick person you are to deduce that from my statement on the immoralness of homo-ism. Even sicker the terms that you are using like 'baby pussy'. Filthy psychologically screwed up person you are.
Homosexuality is wrong, and immoral as much as pedophilia is.
1officemax 7 months ago
@1officemax So you do think that consented sex between two adults is the same as the rape of a small toddler. Stay the hell away from children.
IKillBabyKittensLOL 7 months ago
@IKillBabyKittensLOL Stupid fool. Consented sex between 2 males or 2 females is wrong, immoral, its a psychiatic illness, it is a great social pollution as is murder, gambling, and prostitution. It shouldnt be legal because its not normal.
1officemax 7 months ago
@1officemax But still, the point stands that you claim raping a toddler is more 'moral' than gay sex. From your posts I can deduce that if you were given the choice of raping a child or having sex with a man you'd rape the child since to you it's the lesser of two evils.
IKillBabyKittensLOL 7 months ago
@IKillBabyKittensLOL Your capacity to deduce is worse than your choice in who to have sex with. I didnt claim any of that bullshit, it is you who is not sensitive to the severity of pedophilia when you used the term 'baby pussy'. This suggests that you are indeed a sick person, desensitized to all things wrong and immoral. I hope the Feds trace your internet visits because Im a little more than concerned about you as a potential pedophile.
1officemax 7 months ago
@1officemax I'm a seventeen year old female. The feds cannot trace me because I am not a stupid redneck American. No offense to the smarts ones among you.
So do you take back your statement on pedophila being more moral than homesexuality?
IKillBabyKittensLOL 7 months ago
@IKillBabyKittensLOL You can claim to be a 200 year old witch but that doesnt make it true. You are most probably a gay pedo. Responding to your 17 year old alter ego - FUCK OFF you little uneducated inexperienced shit. Dont respond to this because I'm bored of you.
1officemax 7 months ago
@1officemax What makes you think I'm pro-gay, let alone gay myself. I am anti-pedo. I am disgusted that you claim paedophilia and toddler rape more exceptable that homesexuality.
If you want proof of my gender and age I am can change my picture to me in any pose you want(
IKillBabyKittensLOL 7 months ago
@1officemax Also that is no sexual. I'm saying that to prove it's little ol' me.
IKillBabyKittensLOL 7 months ago
@1officemax You know what else is not "normal" or natural, not in the bible, and thus clearly against god's will?
The internet, cars, the light bulb, electricity in general, TV, laundry detergent, and even the machines that made your copy of the bible! Cotton-poly blends are expressly forbidden in the bible, too!
In fact, homosexuality occurs in nature, so it's more natural than any of those things! I think that qualifies as normal.
Stop using the internet, you gambling prostitute murderer.
Tamugetsu 6 months ago
fake and GAY!
SuperParamorefan567 10 months ago
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOUR GAY AND ARE A MALE AND LOOK LIKE A FEMALE
jonazunr 10 months ago
@jonazunr Obvious comment is obvious. Even 4chan trolls are not this stupid.
aznlalaland 10 months ago 10
@aznlalaland @ZJemptv what about people who choose adult incest or bestiality? Thing is even thought it's their choice(as for beast..we eat,own,use animals for sport as it is) people won't like it regardless if it's a choice or a inborn trait. My point is that yes gays should have the same rights as everyone else in terms of the law etc, but gays don't have the right to expect people to accept them in their personal life. No one has that right
ubermisogynist 9 months ago
@ubermisogynist
Sexual practices and relationships between consenting, adult individuals. 'Nuff said.
TheThordir 8 months ago
So by your reasoning, public nudity doesn't hurt anyone, so flashers and streakers deserve respect, too.
kmsoileau 10 months ago
It doesn't matter if being a homophobe is a choice. So stop bitching about it.
kmsoileau 10 months ago
Replace "gay" in your argument with "a pedophile." Do you now have a convincing argument for the acceptance of pedophilia? If not, why not?
kmsoileau 11 months ago
@kmsoileau well um....pedophilia causes a LOT more damage than homosexuality (even though being gay does no damage at all)
kolokostor 10 months ago
@kolokostor You are assuming moral issues should be decided based only on an assessment of "damage." Not everyone agrees with this simplistic view of ethics.
"even though being gay does no damage at all" Being gay doesn't. Gay sex does. The societal damage done by homosexuality and bisexuality by introducing HIV into the general population is incalculable. By your own measure, homosexuality and bisexuality have had catastrophic effects on society.
kmsoileau 10 months ago
@kmsoileau your kidding right?....arguments like that make me wanna slap babies. The leading cause of HIV and AIDS it African Americans taking the disease from africa and bringing it here. (Im not racist, but its true. I do my research) Were not constantly making AID babies, so just dont
kolokostor 10 months ago
@kolokostor As a matter of fact, gays were the first Western social group to be infected and transmitted it to the genberal population via bisexual sex.
kmsoileau 10 months ago
@kmsoileau You do realize that pedophilia actually hurts people, right? Homosexuality doesn't.
ErinaceousFriend 10 months ago
@ErinaceousFriend "Homosexuality doesn't." You do realize that homosexual rape occurs every day? And that AIDS made its way into the general population through gay and bisexual sex? What color is the sky on YOUR planet?
kmsoileau 10 months ago
@kmsoileau Heterosexual rape also occurs everyday, but it's not heterosexuality that's hurting the victim, it's the action of rape. AIDS is also passed through heterosexual sex, but it's not heterosexuality that's hurting those infected that way or even heterosexual sex, it's irresponsible sex.
ErinaceousFriend 10 months ago
I said "A man/woman AND his/her lover need never be "discovered" to be gay. I should think it was fairly obviously that as partners, each would know the other was gay. However, that you would even think I would miss something that basic in presenting my position proves there is no need to say anymore. I mean, when the conversation gets to disagreements over what the meaning of "is" is, forget it.
TJ347 11 months ago
@TJ347 Well alright, I found your use of "discovered" in quotes to be kind of cryptic. Still though, you can't just blow off the fact that their lover knows their orientation. What happens if you break up and your lover is feeling vengeful and tells other people? The only way to stay completely safe from discrimination would be to never have any relationships. And if you wanted your relationship to have any legal rights at all, you would need people to know you're gay.
SuperStuff01 11 months ago
@TJ347 I guess all I'm really saying is that it's not something that's really easy to hide. Is it as hard as a black man trying to hide the fact that he's black? No, but it's still damn near impossible to go your whole life without anybody ever knowing you're gay.
SuperStuff01 11 months ago
good grief, BREATHE! I couldn't comprehend what you were talking about rushing through your scripted speech. Gah.
ShinyGabe 11 months ago
I have noticed that some people do choose to be gay, but because of mainly emotional connections. For example, I'm originally bisexual, but I prefer females, so I don't date males anymore and I'm not even much attracted to them anymore, so I just call myself a lesbian.
necromannequin 11 months ago
Hellz ya!!!!
milley92797 11 months ago
You just made so much sense in 2 minutes and 44 seconds o.o
abooood95 11 months ago
Zinnia for Pres' 2012.
Love ya, ZJ.
xGimpyx 11 months ago 24
@xGimpyx yes!!!!!
doggygenesis 8 months ago
After watching the first minute of this video, I immediately subscribed. You're clear, lucid, and succinct, making all of your videos compelling to watch.
Kudos.
nekorur 1 year ago
FAKE AND GAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SuperParamorefan567 1 year ago
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ForeverLlamas47 10 months ago
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baconpatrol1 1 year ago
Umm...
You're a hell of a debater.
VirFortunaeLucisque 1 year ago
black thing again. race isn't a choice. homosexuality is hence there are some ex-homosexuals who say they have become straight so dont compare me to ur SICK sexuality. having sex with someone of the same sex in an action and actions u DO have control over! blacks were dehumanized for no good reason. homosexuality is wrong. its a fact! live with it and stop being in denial.
nikitty020 1 year ago
@nikitty020 "homosexuality is hence there are some ex-homosexuals who say they have become straight" -All ex-gay ministries and ex-gays admit that they only change their behavior, not orientation.
"having sex with someone of the same sex in an action and actions u DO have control over!"- We know that, so do heterosexuals.
"blacks were dehumanized for no good reason."- And there is good reason to dehumanize homosexuals?
"homosexuality is wrong. its a fact!"- where did you find this "fact"?
MaterialBoyx3 1 year ago
@MaterialBoyx3 thats a LIE! many ex homosexuals say they are no longer gay. they've even admitted this on tv shows. even the tyra show! why are homosexuals such horrible liars?! they're not gay anymore just accept it. why r u in denial? u know damn well they arent gay why r u twisting their own words? accept the fact that gays CAN change. stop hiding behind ur lies!
nikitty020 1 year ago
@nikitty020 "thats a LIE! many ex homosexuals say they are no longer gay." -Well assuming these specific cases are not in denial, it would still not speak for whole populations. Also you are missing the point, even if I could change being gay, why would I want to change it? " why r u in denial? u know damn well they arent gay why r u twisting their own words?"- I won't bother responding to the excess rhetoric.
work on "ur Enqli$h!".
MaterialBoyx3 1 year ago
@MaterialBoyx3 "having sex with someone of the same sex in an action and actions u DO have control over!"- We know that, so do heterosexuals. lol umm were u attempting to make a point here? i was saying that means gays CAN choose not to have sex with the same sex because its an action. where u planned to go with that pathetic response no one will ever know.
and no one is dehumanizing u! they're only disapproving u and for good reason. common sense tell everyone its wrong. guess ur lacking.
nikitty020 1 year ago
@nikitty020 "having sex with someone of the same sex in an action and actions u DO have control over!"- Sweetheart, this is something you originally posted not I.
"and no one is dehumanizing u! they're only disapproving u and for good reason."- What would this reason be? Gay is wrong because it is a choice? So being Christian is also wrong? Would discrimination be okay against blacks, if it were a choice? As you said: "where u planned to go with that pathetic response no one will ever know."
MaterialBoyx3 1 year ago
@MaterialBoyx3 umm "sweetheart" i KNOW that! i reposted it so u'd know what i was responding to. by saying "We know that, so do heterosexuals. " u didnt make a valid argument! lol God ur slow.
i already wrote my blog on why homosexuality is wrong so dont try to make it look like theres no good reason. and stop using my race to defend perversion!
nikitty020 1 year ago
@nikitty020 "u didnt make a valid argument! lol God ur slow."- You're right, I did not make an argument at all. And I am the slow one.
"i already wrote my blog on why homosexuality is wrong so dont try to make it look like theres no good reason."- Yeah because what you write on your blog is objectively true, right? There is no refuting it. What college did you do your doctorates degree in? "and stop using my race to defend perversion!"- Stop using your stupidity to perverse my sexuality.
MaterialBoyx3 1 year ago
As a black man, I am sick of gay people relating their being gay to being black. First off, you can all hide the fact that you're gay, among a number of other differences. So, please choose a new group to associate yourselves with, if only because your comparison to black people is inaccurate as hell.
TJ347 1 year ago
@TJ347 thank you! i hate it when they do that! i'm a christian black woman and i'm NOTHING like homosexuals so they need to back off us!
nikitty020 1 year ago
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@nikitty020 "i'm a christian black woman"- Did you know your religion is a choice?
MaterialBoyx3 1 year ago
@TJ347 "I am sick of gay people relating their being gay to being black."- know what an analogy is?
MaterialBoyx3 1 year ago
@MaterialBoyx3 Funny. Now how does what you're saying relate to my point? Gay people need to fight their own damn battles and stop hiding behind those of me and mine. You can hide being gay all the days of your life, but I can't hide being black, so the analogy is a poor one as well as an insult.
TJ347 11 months ago
@TJ347 Sure, you can hide being gay as long as you never want to have any relationships or get married or do anything to pursue happiness. Your civil rights battle is analogous to ours in many, many ways, and there is absolutely nothing insulting about that fact. Get over it.
SuperStuff01 11 months ago
@SuperStuff01 What you're missing is that you have the OPTION not to have anyone know what you are. That's not an option for the overwhelming majority of people of color. Many gay people do not participate in actions that would advance gay causes because they exercise the option not to be known publicly as gay. Again, we don't have those options, so to compare your situation to that of people of color is, as I said previously, an insult. Don't take it from me... Ask your black friend.
TJ347 11 months ago
@TJ347 How is this different from me saying "You have the OPTION not to be perceived as black because you could just cover your body in a white sheet every time you go outside."? Sure, gay people can completely hide who they are, but only at an enormous expense to their own well being and happiness - they wouldn't be able to fall in love or have any relationships at all.
SuperStuff01 11 months ago
@SuperStuff01 You don't have to do anything other than avoid being seen kissing or holding hands with some dude, and you want to compare that to a black person having to wear a white sheet to hide the fact that they're black? Again, please stop comparing the bullshit gay people have been and are going through to the experiences of black people, as it is insulting to many of us. But don't take my word for it... Ask some random black people and see for yourself.
TJ347 11 months ago
@TJ347 Actually, they wouldn't be able to kiss or hold hands with ANYONE, EVER. If you wanted to kiss someone you'd have to tell them that you are gay, thus breaking your cover. So yes, I am comparing having to wear a white sheet your whole life with going your whole life without any form of physical intimacy ever. My point is, sure, gay people can hide it, and so can black people, but only at a huge expense to their personal happiness, and this isn't something we should expect them to do.
SuperStuff01 11 months ago
@SuperStuff01 What? A man/woman and his/her gay lover need never be "discovered" to be gay. Even before Rock Hudson, this had long been done. As homosexuals, you ALL have the ability to do that; that is my point. I'm not blocking your road to "personal happiness", I'm just saying stop trying to pretend we're riding the same bus to get there. Your battle is your battle. For lack of a better way of putting it, don't try and claim other people's "Purple Hearts".
TJ347 11 months ago
@TJ347 Of course they need to be discovered. You can't have a gay relationship with another person without them knowing that you're gay. If you were to hide your sexual orientation completely, you couldn't ever do anything intimate with anyone you're in love with. Hell, you couldn't even TELL them that you're in love with them. And I'm not even getting into equal rights issues. If you want to get married, good luck hiding the fact that you're gay from the government.
SuperStuff01 11 months ago
you make a good point, but I was just wondering if it is a choice or not. nothing to do with it having implications, more of a curiosity thing. I've heard about studies claiming it has to do with genes or stress during pregnancy, but I've also met people that make it seem like a choice. I have also met people that make it seem like its the only way for them. is it possible that its innaite in some people, while others choose it?
dandil 1 year ago
@dandil The cause of ALL sexual orientations is something that has not being decided upon by the science community, however 'choice' has been ruled out. If you meant environmental (which is not necessarily a choice), yes there are people who sometimes have oriental changes ; no denying it. This is mostly do to the likely possibly of what causes homosexuality on a microbiological level. All sexualities are understood to be poly-genetic. Which means millions of genes result in sexual orientation.
MaterialBoyx3 1 year ago
And I have the right to find homosexuality as disgusting and a perversion. And, since I see it that way, I also have the right to accept it as "not normal".
piusvapor 1 year ago
@piusvapor And we have the right to find homosexuality okay and support it and gay people's rights. We have the right to find people like you ignorant and small-minded.
ForeverLlamas47 10 months ago
But if it is a choice someone could manipulate that. Sure it would have to be someone like Hitler to do that.
johnnyroyal75 1 year ago
It is a damn choice. And you chose cock. Disgusting
haterboyhatesfags 1 year ago
@haterboyhatesfags So did you mother(no offense to her)
1982mockingbird1982 1 year ago
@haterboyhatesfags No it's not. If a woman has several baby boys, her womb sees the fetus as an unidentified object. Her womb then releases antigens which femenize the baby. (I'm straight for the record.)
kidkong584 1 year ago
@haterboyhatesfags People do not choose what they like and what turns them on, bitch fucking please.
espanolmuchacho 1 year ago
You obviously made a choice to dress like a woman. All the power to ya but I still think you are a man and I will never be attracted to you lol.
zen699 1 year ago
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TheInternational1 1 year ago
@TheInternational1 Jesus is coming back? Aw shit, I didn't get him a birthday present!
v1de0gamr 1 year ago
its not about it mattering or not people base their hatred of gays on the basis that it is a choice this to them justifies their hate some people will never accept us so if we cannot persuade them to accept that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality we can expose that there beliefs are based on bullshit that is simply untrue we cannot yet prove that being gay is not a choice but we know that it is we must try to let others accept that fact
smeeinit 1 year ago
you don't get the point at all. put on some more make up.
scheiSSkind77 1 year ago
If it is a choice how can gays demand marriage? If I choose a lifestyle people don't like I have to expect some kind repercussions
TheMuninn 1 year ago
@TheMuninn Why should we be subject to "repercussions" for no reason other than people not liking us? That's not how government works, or law.
ZJemptv 1 year ago
@ZJemptv Society expects us to conform to certain values and norms at least out in public and there are unwritten laws
There is some room for discussion on just how government or the law is suppose to work ,is government suppose to insure equality of outcome or equality of opportunity ? does freedom of religion mean freedom from religion?
My issue is not that people are gay but when a gay tells me they choose to be gay and I have to accept it and support it
TheMuninn 1 year ago
@TheMuninn "Society expects us to conform to certain values and norms at least out in public and there are unwritten laws"
Nobody is required to be heterosexual. And the government has no place regulating whether an individual must only engage in relationships with men or with women.
"My issue is not that people are gay but when a gay tells me they choose to be gay and I have to accept it and support it"
You don't have to accept it. All you have to do is not obstruct our equal rights.
ZJemptv 1 year ago
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TheMuninn 1 year ago
@TheMuninn "Isn't heterosexual required to keep the race alive?"
No? Gay people aren't sterile.
"Just what "equal rights" are being obstructed"
Marrying the partner of one's choice, for example.
"I have a hard time seeing gays having their rights when they tell me they choose to be gay"
If people choose to be gay, that means you chose to be straight. So why should you have any rights - the same rights that gay people don't have?
ZJemptv 1 year ago
@ZJemptv I don't see marriage as a right in the same sense as free speech but more of something you have to earn and something you do for economical reasons
We both have the exact same options to who we are potentially allowed to marry so i see it as being equal "If people choose to be gay, that means you chose to be straight. So why should you have any rights - the same rights that gay people don't have?"
Anything i see as a right has nothing to do with sexual orientation like voting
TheMuninn 1 year ago
@TheMuninn "but more of something you have to earn and something you do for economical reasons"
Any heterosexuals can marry immediately in some Las Vegas drive-thru wedding without having to "earn" a thing.
"We both have the exact same options to who we are potentially allowed to marry so i see it as being equal"
So, if we ban straight marriage and only allow same-sex marriage, can I tell you it's "equal" when you only have the option of marrying another man?
ZJemptv 1 year ago
@ZJemptv "Any heterosexuals can marry immediately in some Las Vegas drive-thru wedding without having to "earn" a thing."
You have to earn it in the sense you have to convince someone that you are a good spouse or make an effort to be someone guys would want to marry
"So, if we ban straight marriage and only allow same-sex marriage, can I tell you it's "equal" when you only have the option of marrying another man?"
Yes I can choose to be gay or marry a guy and have sex with females
TheMuninn 1 year ago
If you wan to get married so badly then don't choose to be gay or stay gay and marry a female. You don't have to have sex with her, just go out and have sex with guys
Why change the law just because a minority of the population chosen to be gay, its not like you were born that way
TheMuninn 1 year ago
@TheMuninn The law accommodates people who choose to be straight. Why not us? Doesn't it seem odd that a man can marry a woman, yet for some reason, a woman can't do the same - and vice versa? Doesn't make much sense.
ZJemptv 1 year ago