Revelation 14:9-11 “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image"
@386ABC "...Whosoever Believes in Him...." John 3:16 Not ALL are forgiven, many REJECT JESUS CHRIST. Not everybody loves, honors, worships or believes in Him. As a matter of fact, He, Himself, said MORE people are going to "everlasting destruction" than will go into Heaven. You had better READ the Bible.
You said only one thing that is true. Christ does take away the sin of the world & throws all those unrepentant sinners into the Lake of Fire for ETERNITY. Walla' NO SIN IN THE WORLD. Hope you enjoy your Eternity.
@MrPaulryan76 All Christians sin. We are NOT perfect.....as a matter of fact you can go to any prision and meet all kinds of Christians, who for mostly stupid reasons, end up there. Once Saved - Always Saved. Christians will be judged by Christ for their actions AFTER becoming a Believer. 2Corinthians 5:10 & 1Corinthians 3:12-15. Many Christians have died DURING their sinful actions, they STILL go to Heaven. They will suffer "loss" of some rewards. What is "Accidently Sin"?
@386ABC Flames, torment, weeping, gnashing of teeth, are SYMBOLIC??? You are being deceived. God does NOT LIE. ETERNITY = FOREVER = EVERLASTING all equal God, Heaven, Hell. There is NO Purifying, Purgatory, Soul Sleep, Limbo......Death means you'll NEVER walk with God or us ever again, you'll NEVER live a life of pleasure, happiness, joy, or love ever again. You'll be tormented day and night FOREVER. Your Universalist teachings are WRONG - WAKE UP - READ THE BIBLE......
@386ABC You're calling God a Liar? He preached more about Hell than He did Heaven. I'll give you a few Scriptures so you can look it up about Hell and the Lake of Fire for those who will NOT be in Heaven. Matthew 25:41; Jude 7; Revelation 14:9-11; 19:20; 20:10, & v14-15; 21:7-8. So you see, if you believe that there is NO Hell, NO Lake of Fire, than you do NOT believe God's Word. He's being very honest and forthcomining, it's up to you to accept or reject Him. He is TRUTH.
@TheIrateBeliever You're a fool. The Bible wasn't written in English! So, to get the true meaning of the verse you have to look up the Greek and Hebrew words that the Bible was originally written in! For example the English word, "homosexual," first appeared in the New Revised Standard (RSV) Bible in 1946.
@TheIrateBeliever Don't believe me believe the Strong's Greek Dictionary or the HUNDREDS of BIBLICAL SCRIPTURES that I state in my book that CLEARLY state, "God Saves All." Everyone is not saved now. The "Hell fire" or "Gehenna Fire" is used FIGURATIVELY to describe a PURIFICATION for a period of time. This "fire" is not a literal fire as Jesus spoke FIGURATIVELY in that Jesus spoke about what the "fire" represents. I speak the truth, and I welcome you to TRY and prove me wrong!
@TheIrateBeliever "forever" in Revelation in 20: 10 replaced the GREEK WORD, aion. Aion is defined as "an age or peiod of time." So "aion" to "aion" would be a period of time with a beginning and end to a period of time and not FOREVER as you FALSELY believe. I have an ENTIRE Chapter about this subject in my book! The Strong's Greek Dictionary defines the "lake of fire" as "like with the "fire of God" which transforms all it touches into light and likeness with itself." See Zechariah 13: 9!
I prove that “Hell” is not “eternal punishment” from the Bible in my book, "The Good News: How Revealing Delusions In Christianity Will Bring Peace To All." I prove this from multiple passages in the Bible and I disprove every instance that present-day Christianity uses to back in its false, man-made doctrine of “eternal punishment.” The true message in the Bible is that GOD SAVES ALL and "Hell" is mistranslated! Check out my videos as I discuss this and more on radio shows across the nation!
Yes hell is forever for time without end. The souls in hell are never "consumed" as some would hope to believe. In as much as Christ died to give you life in Heaven without end He likewise died to save you from hell without end. Our life in Heaven never ends. The suffering in the lake of fire never ends. Choosing to believe these things aren't true won't change reality. Heaven and hell are forever.
@DomoCinnamon Yes, but not after watching this anti-biblical fairy-tale. Christendom by large has given way to legends and fables. Check out the Christadelphians.
Love never fails. God will never fail. If He truly loves people, He wouldn't torture them for all of eternity. Love & eternal torment cannot go together. God is just, yes, but He is not cruel.
1 Tim 4:10- This is why we work hard and continue to struggle, for our hope is in the living God, who is the Savior of all people and particularly of all believers.
1 John 2:2- He himself is the sacrifice that atones for our sins—and not only our sins but the sins of all the world.
@whatthehellbook FLAG on the play. That's a 15 yard penalty there for gross missuse of scripture. Of course you know that but you don't care because you make the bible say whatever suits your agenda and sells books.
@whatthehellbook The God you talk about is FAITHFUL, JUST, RIGHTEOUS, HOLY, HONEST, TRUTHFUL, DIVINE, FULL OF MERCY, GRACE & FORGIVNESS for ANY who go to Him. Christ has given EVERYONE a choice - Repent & Follow Me - or your Eternity is a LAKE OF FIRE. Christ taught MORE about Hell than Heaven. Why? Because people have to be told OVER & OVER & OVER, least they forget or don't believe Him. What is it with you? You don't Believe Him? Eternity - Forever - Eternal - NEVER STOPPING
The best thing to do is to ask God to forgive your sins and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. Another thing to do is to resist temptation and get into the Word of God and read the Bible.
@386ABC I think you had better put your thinking hat on. Right above it: " Hell where their worm (spirit/body) does NOT die, and the FIRE is NOT quenched." Now just what to you think "salted" means??? Everyone goes through life's troubles, trials, temptations & sometimes their own personal hell. There is a very special pace that Christ made for those who don't go to Heaven. Revelation 20:11-14; 21:8
@386ABC "....Depart from me, you who are cursed, into THE ETERNAL FIRE prepared for the devil & his angels." Matthew 25:41 OOOOPS to you. More: Matthew 13:40-43; 49-50. Maybe you should read your Bible better, like Revelation 14:9-12 MARANATHA
Of course then you have Paul saying in Romans 9:27 that only the remnant will be saved. What???Only the remnant? Obviously not "every single person will be saved.
@ekkIesia386 Yes, and then you have the fact that in Revelation 5 it says that they are redeemed OUT OF every tribe, tongue and nation. Notice it doesn't say that "you have redeemed every tribe, tongue,etc..."
Obviously when you take SOME people out of a larger group of people it means that ONLY those taken OUT OF are the ones who are redeemed.
@cqqrzgth I could not agree with you more, these uniturds don't know their butts from a hole in the ground. For example, in Revelation 21 there is NO MENTION of the people who are thrown into the Lake of fire ever getting fished out of the tank.
Don't forget too that Paul warned some people in Romans that they werre "storing up wrath" for themselves yet Paul said that believers aren't appointed to wrath.
Another CONTRADICTION is that Hebrews 1 says that Christ has already made purification for sins so what is it that needs to be purified? Did Jesus not do enough?
@spamthemoron Yes, I've seen those same CONTRADICTIONS too. For example, Jude tells believers to snatch people from the fire so why would we be instructed to take something away from someone that they need?
@spamthemoron Yes, they have more contradictions than the Mormons do. In fact, Paul said in Romans that they were "storing up wrath" for themselves yet in 1 Thes.5 it says that believers aren't appointed to wrath so if everyone is saved then how can this be?
@spamthemoron For sure! What baffles me is that the uni's say that the lake of fire is for "purification" yet Hebrews 1 says that Christ has already made purification for sins. They also say that it is "corrective discipline" but why would redeemed people need to be "corrected" when Timothy says that when we see Him we will be like Him?
@cooIbeans3236 Unbelievers are storing up wrath for themselves & so are Christians who are living in sin. Jesus said if you love Him, you are supposed to follow His Commandments, Obey what He says. Revelation 2 & 3 are letters from Jesus to the different types of Believers in the Church. He praises some for their Faithfulness & Love & is very stern with others who are following false religions & prophets; "living" in sexuality immorality - adultry, fornication, prostitution, homosexuality, etc
@JesusHoldMyHand1 I know that. The point is that universalists say that everyone is saved so if that's true then how can they be storing up wrath for themselves and yet Paul said that believers are not appointed to wrath.
@cooIbeans3236 They also believe that the people who go into the Lake of Fire is for "purifying & cleansing", which is complete opposite of what Jesus Himself said. Thank you for standing up for the Lord. Just remember that just because people are saved, many will go through the Wrath of God. That's why He sends out His Angels to "gather" them at the end of the GT. (Sheep/Goats) Matthew 25 Those who are Christians will live in the Kingdom & repopulate the Earth. MARANATHA
See, what the uni's don't understand is that if the fire in the lake of fire is for "purification" then that means that satan is going to get "purified" yet in Hebrewqs 2 it says that God has not provided for the angels? Sounds like another typical universalist contradiction.
@386ABC You're the stupid retards that insist that "fire" means "purification" so you tell me what "fire" Jude is talking about? Go ahead you pathetic turd, make something up.
The universlaists say that the lake of fire if for "purification" so that means that satan is goiung to get "purified"??? How can this be since Hebrews 2 says that God has provided salvation for the angels?
Also, the apostle Paul said that some of those whom he addressed in Romans were "storing up wrath for themselves". Now, how can this be if "everyone" is paid for and not appointed to wrath?
Yep, universalism has as many contradictions as a hooker has crabs.
Universalists say that the lake of fire is for "purification" and for "corrective discipline" yet according to Hebrews 1 and Hebrews 10, Christ has already made purification for sins for all time.
Oops, ANOTHER CONTRADICTION fresh from the butthole of universalism.
Have you ever wondered whether the Good News of Jesus applies to everyone or just a few people while everyone else burns for all of eternity? What kind of a Father is God and what is the greatest commandment?
The universalists claim that Jesus paid for "all men's sins" yet those who are sent into the lake of fire in Revelation 21 are called "Liars, murderers, idolators, etc" so obviously those particular people are not saved or forgiven nor do they have their names written in the book of life.
See, if Jesus has paid for "all people's sins" then they cannot be referred to as "murderers, thieves, liars, etc. as in Revelation 21 because that would be a false accusation. If they are "all" forgiven then why are they being punished anyway? See, these uni-idiots don't think things through very well.
@386ABC See, I'm not at all interested in trying to convince you, I'm only interested in exposing your bad teaching and very bad reasoning in front of others. So if it makes you feel better by using irrational excuses then fine, it only makes you look that much more stupid an therefore my goal is accomplished.
@386ABC Actually, you don't know that burt according to the law, he is declared innocent and in God's economy when a person is declared innocent the are no longer connsidered murderes, liars, thieves, etc.
@386ABC You don't know squat about law do you? A suspect who is indicted for a crime once found to be innocent is no longer considered to be a perpetrator once he is found not guilty. In other words there is no legal way to call said former suspect "murderer, thief, etc" once found "not guilty".
@386ABC Your ANALogy falls apart because those who are IN CHRIST have been imputed by His righteousness so it is as though they had never sinned at all. Thus the people in Rev.21 are GUILTY because they are called by their sinful names.
When Paul addressed the believers in Corinth, he said that they "WERE" (PAST TENSE) some of those things. Aparently their sins were not counted against them.
Revelation 21:8 lists a particular group of people as "murderers, immoral, sorcerers, liars" and such. Now if they're "forgiven" and "paid for by Christ then why are they labeled as such?
Romans 10:4 says that the law has ended for those who believe so I guess that since these people don't believe then the sins are counted against them?
@386ABC If that's the case then you cannot appeal to ANY lexicon or greek dictionary. You have to take the words on the page the way they are written.
If anyone wishes to know what an actual expert in greek has to say about eternal punishment, just message me and I'll send you a copy of what Dr. Spiros Zodhiates says. He is actually qualified to speak on these matters unlike doucheABC.
@386ABC Uhhh their sins are mentioned, and counted against them. If they were forgiven douche then they wouldn't be mentioned. God does not remember the sins of those who are forgiven.
@386ABC Yes it does. "Denotes duration or continuance of time with great variety. (I) Age, an indefinitely long period or lapse of time, perpetuity, ever, forever, eternity." pg.106
@386ABC What do you think EVERLASTING, ETERNAL, FOREVER & EVER mean??? And YOU are calling me names? Did you go to Public School? Tough there, huh???? Don't understand what words mean. So SAD Goodbye tax dollars.....more failures
@386ABC See, the text EXPLICITLY SAYS that the unrighteous "go away" yet nowhere does it say "OK guys, times up. Come on back in for some cake and ice cream"
Of course if Paul thought that everyone was going to be saved then he wouldn't have wished himself to be cut off from Christ for thre sake of his brethren.
@386ABC Symbolic of WHAT??? I will repeat for just you: LAKE OF FIRE: Matthew 13:41-42 & 48-49; Mark 9:47-48; Revelation 14:9-11; 19:19-21; 20:10-14; 21:8 You don't read the Bible very well, nor do you believe the Lord Himself. You are a unveralist who will have a very suprising ending to your Earthly life & the beginning of your HOT Eternity......EVERLASTING......NEVER CEASING.....NEVER STOPPING.....ETERNAL..... FLAMES, so you can be "purified" & "cleansed" WITH satan & his followers, huh??
@386ABC Yea, the Gehenna that Jesus talked about was different. The one He spoke of has a fire that is never quenched and a worm that never dies..UNLIKE the earthly one.
@386ABC Really? So satan is going to be set free too? Hebrews 2 says that God has not made provision for the devil and his angels so I guess that doesn't mean everything as you'd like to think.
@386ABC See, the "fire" that seasons is the Holy Spirit on believers. The lake of fire is God's vengeance upon the UNbelievers. Just like in Daniel, the fire destroyed the men who came near it but not the 3 young men.
@386ABC Please show me a verse that says that "the results of sin need to be corrected"? Why doesn't everyone get tossed into the lake of fire then douche bag?
@386ABC Eternal Torment in Hell: "Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the ETERNAL FIRE prepared for the devil and his angels". Matthew 25:41 ETERNAL, EVERLASTING FIRE.....NEVER QUENCHED.....NEVER CEASING......Lake of Fire: Revelation 19:19-21; 20:10-14; 21:8 Jesus can't get much plainer than that. LAKE OF FIRE is forever, everlasting PUNISHMENT; the body NEVER CEASES, NEVER DISAPPEARS..........Not looking too promising for you. Too Bad
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Lake of Fire: Matthew 13:41-41 & 49-50; Mark 9:47-48; Revelation 14:9-11; 19:19-21; 20:10-14: 21:8 The body NEVERS CEASES, NEVER DISAPPEARS.......ALWAYS SEES, FEELS & KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON........Woe to you......You'd better BEWARE.......For the God that CREATED the Lake of Fire is the ONE that's in charge. He KNOWS your fate!!!!
@386ABC In the Words of Jesus: "Enter through the narrow gate. For WIDE is the gate and BROAD is the road that leads to DESTRUCTION, and MANY enter through it. But SMALL is the gate and NARROW the road that leads to life, and ONLY A FEW FIND IT." More peope are influenced by satan than God. All FALSE religions, abortions, lying, stealing, drunkeness, rape, homosexuality, cursing the Lord, Hating Him, praying to Mary, allah, bowing before statues, are just SOME of the tools of satan.
@386ABC Considering that satan is the Father of all Lies, Murders, Pedophiles, Stealing, Pride, Adultry, Homosexuality, Perversion, False Religions & Hate who will spend Eternity WITH all of his followers in the Lake of Fire, I find it pathetic that you think he's so wonderful. No burn medication for you. Eternal, Everlasting, Never Ceasing Lake of Fire.
@386ABC That's why the one that Jesus spoke about is different. He clearly said "where the fire is NEVER quenched and THEIR worm never dies". The one He spoke of is quite unique.
Jesus DID speak of Hell. It doesn't matter what the "formal" name of this place was because the place He spoke about was aweful so oit doesn't matter if He called it Candyland, the bottom line is that it was a warning and it was terrible.
To add t that, if Jesus wanted every single person He had ever created to be saved then why did He ONLY pray for those whom the Father had given Him? Jesus said "I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given me".
@cqqrzgth God can see PAST Eternity. He already know who will Accept, Love & Worship Him. Yes, it is His desire for ALL to belong to Him, but MORE Reject the Lord that who will Accept Him. We are "Chosen & Predestined" BEFORE the creation of the World. Ephesians 1:4-5; 1:11-12; 1Peter 1:1-2 Even though God gave EVERYONE Freedom of Choice, many make the WRONG Choice. Hopes this helps you.
@386ABC If everyone is "in Christ" and those who are "in Christ" are not appointed to wrath then why did Paul tell those in Rome that they were storing up "wrath for themselves"? Huh douchebag?
@386ABC Still can't tell me why Paul said that those who are "in Christ" are not appointed to wrath" yet Paul said to some of them in Rome that they were storing up wrath for themselves?
@386ABC Jesus mentioned Hell on several occasions. In fact, Hell is known by it's description, not a formal title. But then only a pathetic turd like you wouldn't understand this.
See, if Paul thought that everyone was going to be saved then he wouldn't have wished himself to be "cut off/accursed" from Christ for the sake of his kinsmen. He would have sqaid "oh well, it doesn't matter anyway".
So if "everyone" is "in Christ" and Paul said that those who are "in Christ" are not appointed to wrath then why did he tell those in Romans that they were "storing up wrath for thmeselves"?
It's rather difficult to see that Paul would wish himself to be accursed/cut off if he thought that everyone were going to be saved. Obviously Paul did NOT think this.
@386ABC If eevryone is "in Christ" and those who are "in Christ" are not appointed to wrath then why did Paul tell those in Rome that they were storing up "wrath for themselves"? Huh douchebag?
Paul must have really been grieving to wish himself to be cut off from Christ for the sake of his unsaved bretheren. Obviously Paul did not teach universalism.
Paul must have really been grieving to wish himself to be cut off from Christ for the sake of his unsaved bretheren. Obviously Paul did not teach universalism.
Jesus also said that i would have been better for Judas to have not been born than to betray Jesus plus Paul warned about the fiery judgment that comes upon those who do not obey the gospel.
So if "everyone" is "in Christ" and Paul said that those who are "in Christ" are not appointed to wrath then why did he tell those in Romans that they were "storing up wrath for thmeselves"?
@386ABC So if "everyone" is "in Christ" and Paul said that those who are "in Christ" are not appointed to wrath then why did he tell those in Romans that they were "storing up wrath for thmeselves"?
Paul must have really been grieving to wish himself to be cut off from Christ for the sake of his unsaved bretheren. Obviously Paul did teach universalism.
Of course the bible is clear that Jesus created all things so whatever day He created Hell is irrelevant, the point is He created it and some people go there forever.
Why would Paul tell one group of people that they are storing up wrath and then tell another group that there is no wrath for those who are "in Christ"?
Jesus also said that i would have been better for Judas to have not been born than to betray Jesus plus Paul warned about the fiery judgment that comes upon those who do not obey the gospel.
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The man in Luke 16:24 cries: ". . .I am tormented in this FLAME."
In Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: "And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."
In Matthew 25:41, Jesus says: "Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting FIRE,. . ."
Revelation 20:15 says, " And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE."
varix3d 1 week ago
The man in Luke 16:24 cries: ". . .I am tormented in this FLAME."
In Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: "And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."
In Matthew 25:41, Jesus says: "Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting FIRE,. . ."
Revelation 20:15 says, " And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE."
varix3d 1 week ago
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
MrPaulryan76 1 month ago
@MrPaulryan76 What is your point?
gtrjunky 1 month ago
@MrPaulryan76 I'm wondering how your use of the english language is based on your sentence fragments. Do you talk the way you write?
gtrjunky 1 month ago
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Revelation 14:9-11 “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image"
crucifeid2 2 months ago
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And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. Rev.20:15
RUUNDD 2 months ago
@386ABC You will surely find out one of these days. If you think EVERYONE is going to Heaven, then you are an Apostate and a Pagan. Good Day.
JesusHoldMyHand1 2 months ago
@386ABC "...Whosoever Believes in Him...." John 3:16 Not ALL are forgiven, many REJECT JESUS CHRIST. Not everybody loves, honors, worships or believes in Him. As a matter of fact, He, Himself, said MORE people are going to "everlasting destruction" than will go into Heaven. You had better READ the Bible.
JesusHoldMyHand1 2 months ago
You said only one thing that is true. Christ does take away the sin of the world & throws all those unrepentant sinners into the Lake of Fire for ETERNITY. Walla' NO SIN IN THE WORLD. Hope you enjoy your Eternity.
JesusHoldMyHand1 2 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 How about if it was your loved one who believed in Christ but somehow accidently commited a sin before death?
MrPaulryan76 1 month ago
@MrPaulryan76 All Christians sin. We are NOT perfect.....as a matter of fact you can go to any prision and meet all kinds of Christians, who for mostly stupid reasons, end up there. Once Saved - Always Saved. Christians will be judged by Christ for their actions AFTER becoming a Believer. 2Corinthians 5:10 & 1Corinthians 3:12-15. Many Christians have died DURING their sinful actions, they STILL go to Heaven. They will suffer "loss" of some rewards. What is "Accidently Sin"?
JesusHoldMyHand1 1 month ago
@386ABC Flames, torment, weeping, gnashing of teeth, are SYMBOLIC??? You are being deceived. God does NOT LIE. ETERNITY = FOREVER = EVERLASTING all equal God, Heaven, Hell. There is NO Purifying, Purgatory, Soul Sleep, Limbo......Death means you'll NEVER walk with God or us ever again, you'll NEVER live a life of pleasure, happiness, joy, or love ever again. You'll be tormented day and night FOREVER. Your Universalist teachings are WRONG - WAKE UP - READ THE BIBLE......
JesusHoldMyHand1 2 months ago
@386ABC You're calling God a Liar? He preached more about Hell than He did Heaven. I'll give you a few Scriptures so you can look it up about Hell and the Lake of Fire for those who will NOT be in Heaven. Matthew 25:41; Jude 7; Revelation 14:9-11; 19:20; 20:10, & v14-15; 21:7-8. So you see, if you believe that there is NO Hell, NO Lake of Fire, than you do NOT believe God's Word. He's being very honest and forthcomining, it's up to you to accept or reject Him. He is TRUTH.
JesusHoldMyHand1 2 months ago
@TheIrateBeliever You're a fool. The Bible wasn't written in English! So, to get the true meaning of the verse you have to look up the Greek and Hebrew words that the Bible was originally written in! For example the English word, "homosexual," first appeared in the New Revised Standard (RSV) Bible in 1946.
TheGoodNewsBook 2 months ago
@TheIrateBeliever Don't believe me believe the Strong's Greek Dictionary or the HUNDREDS of BIBLICAL SCRIPTURES that I state in my book that CLEARLY state, "God Saves All." Everyone is not saved now. The "Hell fire" or "Gehenna Fire" is used FIGURATIVELY to describe a PURIFICATION for a period of time. This "fire" is not a literal fire as Jesus spoke FIGURATIVELY in that Jesus spoke about what the "fire" represents. I speak the truth, and I welcome you to TRY and prove me wrong!
TheGoodNewsBook 2 months ago
@TheGoodNewsBook Amen brother.
MrPaulryan76 1 month ago
@TheIrateBeliever "forever" in Revelation in 20: 10 replaced the GREEK WORD, aion. Aion is defined as "an age or peiod of time." So "aion" to "aion" would be a period of time with a beginning and end to a period of time and not FOREVER as you FALSELY believe. I have an ENTIRE Chapter about this subject in my book! The Strong's Greek Dictionary defines the "lake of fire" as "like with the "fire of God" which transforms all it touches into light and likeness with itself." See Zechariah 13: 9!
TheGoodNewsBook 2 months ago
I prove that “Hell” is not “eternal punishment” from the Bible in my book, "The Good News: How Revealing Delusions In Christianity Will Bring Peace To All." I prove this from multiple passages in the Bible and I disprove every instance that present-day Christianity uses to back in its false, man-made doctrine of “eternal punishment.” The true message in the Bible is that GOD SAVES ALL and "Hell" is mistranslated! Check out my videos as I discuss this and more on radio shows across the nation!
TheGoodNewsBook 2 months ago
I was expecting to hear Noah...not Abraham. It was very entertaining to watch.
Thanatos7129 2 months ago
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Yes hell is forever for time without end. The souls in hell are never "consumed" as some would hope to believe. In as much as Christ died to give you life in Heaven without end He likewise died to save you from hell without end. Our life in Heaven never ends. The suffering in the lake of fire never ends. Choosing to believe these things aren't true won't change reality. Heaven and hell are forever.
AtheistSpanker 3 months ago
Why would God need a guard for his throne?
BorgMX5 3 months ago
@DomoCinnamon Yes, but not after watching this anti-biblical fairy-tale. Christendom by large has given way to legends and fables. Check out the Christadelphians.
TruthAtlas 3 months ago
Love never fails. God will never fail. If He truly loves people, He wouldn't torture them for all of eternity. Love & eternal torment cannot go together. God is just, yes, but He is not cruel.
1 Tim 4:10- This is why we work hard and continue to struggle, for our hope is in the living God, who is the Savior of all people and particularly of all believers.
1 John 2:2- He himself is the sacrifice that atones for our sins—and not only our sins but the sins of all the world.
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whatthehellbook 3 months ago
@whatthehellbook FLAG on the play. That's a 15 yard penalty there for gross missuse of scripture. Of course you know that but you don't care because you make the bible say whatever suits your agenda and sells books.
gtrjunky 3 months ago
@whatthehellbook The God you talk about is FAITHFUL, JUST, RIGHTEOUS, HOLY, HONEST, TRUTHFUL, DIVINE, FULL OF MERCY, GRACE & FORGIVNESS for ANY who go to Him. Christ has given EVERYONE a choice - Repent & Follow Me - or your Eternity is a LAKE OF FIRE. Christ taught MORE about Hell than Heaven. Why? Because people have to be told OVER & OVER & OVER, least they forget or don't believe Him. What is it with you? You don't Believe Him? Eternity - Forever - Eternal - NEVER STOPPING
JesusHoldMyHand1 2 months ago
haha, this is so fascinating to watch! Let Satan RULE THE EARTH!
Lucifer66620121 3 months ago
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win souls the way Peter, Paul and Christ did, /watch?v=L_XQQyuCHlE
MMr7777 3 months ago
@DomoCinnamon
The best thing to do is to ask God to forgive your sins and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. Another thing to do is to resist temptation and get into the Word of God and read the Bible.
mikes230 4 months ago
Scripture states that Adam was with Eve.
hollowpoint51 4 months ago
@386ABC I think you had better put your thinking hat on. Right above it: " Hell where their worm (spirit/body) does NOT die, and the FIRE is NOT quenched." Now just what to you think "salted" means??? Everyone goes through life's troubles, trials, temptations & sometimes their own personal hell. There is a very special pace that Christ made for those who don't go to Heaven. Revelation 20:11-14; 21:8
OOOOOOOPS TO YOU AGAIN
JesusHoldMyHand1 4 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1
You keep telling them. Get that word out there.
mikes230 4 months ago
@mikes230 Thank you, Mike. Hope you're helping us, we can use everyone we can get. God Be With You
JesusHoldMyHand1 4 months ago
@386ABC "....Depart from me, you who are cursed, into THE ETERNAL FIRE prepared for the devil & his angels." Matthew 25:41 OOOOPS to you. More: Matthew 13:40-43; 49-50. Maybe you should read your Bible better, like Revelation 14:9-12 MARANATHA
JesusHoldMyHand1 4 months ago
@386ABC Adios Douche bag!
spamthemoron 4 months ago
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Of course then you have Paul saying in Romans 9:27 that only the remnant will be saved. What???Only the remnant? Obviously not "every single person will be saved.
ekkIesia386 4 months ago
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@ekkIesia386 Yes, and then you have the fact that in Revelation 5 it says that they are redeemed OUT OF every tribe, tongue and nation. Notice it doesn't say that "you have redeemed every tribe, tongue,etc..."
Obviously when you take SOME people out of a larger group of people it means that ONLY those taken OUT OF are the ones who are redeemed.
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@cqqrzgth I could not agree with you more, these uniturds don't know their butts from a hole in the ground. For example, in Revelation 21 there is NO MENTION of the people who are thrown into the Lake of fire ever getting fished out of the tank.
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Don't forget too that Paul warned some people in Romans that they werre "storing up wrath" for themselves yet Paul said that believers aren't appointed to wrath.
Looks like it's a big OOPS for them!
ekkIesia386 4 months ago
Another CONTRADICTION is that Hebrews 1 says that Christ has already made purification for sins so what is it that needs to be purified? Did Jesus not do enough?
spamthemoron 4 months ago
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@spamthemoron Yes, I've seen those same CONTRADICTIONS too. For example, Jude tells believers to snatch people from the fire so why would we be instructed to take something away from someone that they need?
ekkIesia386 4 months ago
@spamthemoron Yes, they have more contradictions than the Mormons do. In fact, Paul said in Romans that they were "storing up wrath" for themselves yet in 1 Thes.5 it says that believers aren't appointed to wrath so if everyone is saved then how can this be?
cooIbeans3236 4 months ago 4
@cooIbeans3236 Yea, I agree because in Romans 9:27 Paul clearly says that it is the remnant that will be saved. Good word brother!
spamthemoron 4 months ago 4
@spamthemoron For sure! What baffles me is that the uni's say that the lake of fire is for "purification" yet Hebrews 1 says that Christ has already made purification for sins. They also say that it is "corrective discipline" but why would redeemed people need to be "corrected" when Timothy says that when we see Him we will be like Him?
cooIbeans3236 4 months ago 4
@cooIbeans3236 Unbelievers are storing up wrath for themselves & so are Christians who are living in sin. Jesus said if you love Him, you are supposed to follow His Commandments, Obey what He says. Revelation 2 & 3 are letters from Jesus to the different types of Believers in the Church. He praises some for their Faithfulness & Love & is very stern with others who are following false religions & prophets; "living" in sexuality immorality - adultry, fornication, prostitution, homosexuality, etc
JesusHoldMyHand1 4 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 I know that. The point is that universalists say that everyone is saved so if that's true then how can they be storing up wrath for themselves and yet Paul said that believers are not appointed to wrath.
cooIbeans3236 4 months ago
@cooIbeans3236 They also believe that the people who go into the Lake of Fire is for "purifying & cleansing", which is complete opposite of what Jesus Himself said. Thank you for standing up for the Lord. Just remember that just because people are saved, many will go through the Wrath of God. That's why He sends out His Angels to "gather" them at the end of the GT. (Sheep/Goats) Matthew 25 Those who are Christians will live in the Kingdom & repopulate the Earth. MARANATHA
JesusHoldMyHand1 4 months ago
See, what the uni's don't understand is that if the fire in the lake of fire is for "purification" then that means that satan is going to get "purified" yet in Hebrewqs 2 it says that God has not provided for the angels? Sounds like another typical universalist contradiction.
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@386ABC You're the stupid retards that insist that "fire" means "purification" so you tell me what "fire" Jude is talking about? Go ahead you pathetic turd, make something up.
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
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@386ABC You must have hit your head while you at the bath house with your gay entourage last night huhy?
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
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The universlaists say that the lake of fire if for "purification" so that means that satan is goiung to get "purified"??? How can this be since Hebrews 2 says that God has provided salvation for the angels?
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
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@386ABC Oh therer's different fires now you pathetic turd?
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
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Also, the apostle Paul said that some of those whom he addressed in Romans were "storing up wrath for themselves". Now, how can this be if "everyone" is paid for and not appointed to wrath?
Yep, universalism has as many contradictions as a hooker has crabs.
ekkIesia386 4 months ago
Yea, plus if Jude said to "snatch" some "out of the fire" then we would be depriving them of a good thing wouldn't we? Yea, more contradictions.
RUUNDD 4 months ago
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Universalists say that the lake of fire is for "purification" and for "corrective discipline" yet according to Hebrews 1 and Hebrews 10, Christ has already made purification for sins for all time.
Oops, ANOTHER CONTRADICTION fresh from the butthole of universalism.
cqqrzgth 4 months ago 2
@386ABC Actually the game has been over for you for quite a while but you're too stupid to know what's going on.
gtrjunky 4 months ago
@386ABC That's what the text says you turd!
gtrjunky 4 months ago
Also, if this "purification process" is such a good thing then why did Jude tell those whom he wrote to, to "snatch some out of the fire"?
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Have you ever wondered whether the Good News of Jesus applies to everyone or just a few people while everyone else burns for all of eternity? What kind of a Father is God and what is the greatest commandment?
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cqqrzgth 4 months ago
The universalists claim that Jesus paid for "all men's sins" yet those who are sent into the lake of fire in Revelation 21 are called "Liars, murderers, idolators, etc" so obviously those particular people are not saved or forgiven nor do they have their names written in the book of life.
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I love it when stupid people say stupid things for all to see.
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
See, if Jesus has paid for "all people's sins" then they cannot be referred to as "murderers, thieves, liars, etc. as in Revelation 21 because that would be a false accusation. If they are "all" forgiven then why are they being punished anyway? See, these uni-idiots don't think things through very well.
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC Say G'bye douche bag!!!
RUUNDD 4 months ago
@386ABC See, I'm not at all interested in trying to convince you, I'm only interested in exposing your bad teaching and very bad reasoning in front of others. So if it makes you feel better by using irrational excuses then fine, it only makes you look that much more stupid an therefore my goal is accomplished.
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC Do you know what "Mankind" means? It means men of all kinds, it doesn't mean every single person.
Do you understand you stupid douche bag?
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC Actually, you don't know that burt according to the law, he is declared innocent and in God's economy when a person is declared innocent the are no longer connsidered murderes, liars, thieves, etc.
Is that clear you stupid pathetic douche bag?
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC You don't know squat about law do you? A suspect who is indicted for a crime once found to be innocent is no longer considered to be a perpetrator once he is found not guilty. In other words there is no legal way to call said former suspect "murderer, thief, etc" once found "not guilty".
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC Your ANALogy falls apart because those who are IN CHRIST have been imputed by His righteousness so it is as though they had never sinned at all. Thus the people in Rev.21 are GUILTY because they are called by their sinful names.
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC Exactly douchebag. Believers don't have their sins counted against them which is why the people in Rev.21 do.
Are we clear douchebag? ARE WE CLEAR DOUCHEBAG?
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
When Paul addressed the believers in Corinth, he said that they "WERE" (PAST TENSE) some of those things. Aparently their sins were not counted against them.
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
Revelation 21:8 lists a particular group of people as "murderers, immoral, sorcerers, liars" and such. Now if they're "forgiven" and "paid for by Christ then why are they labeled as such?
Romans 10:4 says that the law has ended for those who believe so I guess that since these people don't believe then the sins are counted against them?
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC Nice, did you learn that at the bath house?
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC NOPE! He's a fallible man and he's not part of the text of the bible. You can shove his book up your butt!
RUUNDD 4 months ago
@386ABC If that's the case then you cannot appeal to ANY lexicon or greek dictionary. You have to take the words on the page the way they are written.
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC Niether are you douche bag!
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
If anyone wishes to know what an actual expert in greek has to say about eternal punishment, just message me and I'll send you a copy of what Dr. Spiros Zodhiates says. He is actually qualified to speak on these matters unlike doucheABC.
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC
Zodhiates =1
You (douche) = 0
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC Uhhh their sins are mentioned, and counted against them. If they were forgiven douche then they wouldn't be mentioned. God does not remember the sins of those who are forgiven.
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC Yes it does. "Denotes duration or continuance of time with great variety. (I) Age, an indefinitely long period or lapse of time, perpetuity, ever, forever, eternity." pg.106
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC Yes it does, they are accused of NOT doing what they should have (sin of omission). Yes, it's also sinful when you don't do things.
Ooops!!!
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC Yep, it covers pg.105, 106 and part of 107
Oops yourself douche!
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC Look it up yourself douche. You don't know where that word is at?
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@cqqrzgth Punishment = Correction
MrPaulryan76 1 month ago
@MrPaulryan76 Unfortunaely it will take FOREVER to correct the problem.
cqqrzgth 1 month ago
@386ABC Matt.25 was your failure. The word "consequences" isn't in the passage and it directly mentions their sin. You lost that one!
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC Yep, WASTED tax dollars......you just proved it....
JesusHoldMyHand1 4 months ago
@386ABC Not according to the greek keyword dictionary by Zohiates. He would know better than you because he's an expert and you're a nobody.
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
Paul said in Romans that they were "Storing up wrath" yet in Thessolonians he said that believers were not appointed to wrath.
Oops!!!
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC I did read it, those are sinful acts...sins...sins...sins.
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
The Gehenna that Jesus spoke of is different because it has a fire that is NEVER quenched and a worm that NEVER dies.
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC What do you think EVERLASTING, ETERNAL, FOREVER & EVER mean??? And YOU are calling me names? Did you go to Public School? Tough there, huh???? Don't understand what words mean. So SAD Goodbye tax dollars.....more failures
JesusHoldMyHand1 4 months ago
Plus, Paul wished himself to be cut off for the sake of his non elect kinsmen.
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
See, if people are warned about storing up wrath then why did Paul also say that believers are appointed unto wrath?
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC Corrected for what?
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC Why are they being punished if they're supposed to be forgiven?
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC Why are they punished if they're supposed to be forgiven?
Ooooppps!!!
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC Then there is no word for it which means you shoved a word into the text that isn't meant to be there you pathetic douche!
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC See, the text EXPLICITLY SAYS that the unrighteous "go away" yet nowhere does it say "OK guys, times up. Come on back in for some cake and ice cream"
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC "Consequences" is not in the text...AT ALL!
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC The word "consequences" is not in the text. sorry, you lose again!
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
Of course if Paul thought that everyone was going to be saved then he wouldn't have wished himself to be cut off from Christ for thre sake of his brethren.
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC Symbolic of WHAT??? I will repeat for just you: LAKE OF FIRE: Matthew 13:41-42 & 48-49; Mark 9:47-48; Revelation 14:9-11; 19:19-21; 20:10-14; 21:8 You don't read the Bible very well, nor do you believe the Lord Himself. You are a unveralist who will have a very suprising ending to your Earthly life & the beginning of your HOT Eternity......EVERLASTING......NEVER CEASING.....NEVER STOPPING.....ETERNAL..... FLAMES, so you can be "purified" & "cleansed" WITH satan & his followers, huh??
JesusHoldMyHand1 4 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Amen and amen!
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC Yea, the Gehenna that Jesus talked about was different. The one He spoke of has a fire that is never quenched and a worm that never dies..UNLIKE the earthly one.
Oops!!!
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC Matthew 25 mentions their SIN itself. Those who did not do what they were supposed to do. That is what sin is, disobedience to God.
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC Really? So satan is going to be set free too? Hebrews 2 says that God has not made provision for the devil and his angels so I guess that doesn't mean everything as you'd like to think.
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC See, the "fire" that seasons is the Holy Spirit on believers. The lake of fire is God's vengeance upon the UNbelievers. Just like in Daniel, the fire destroyed the men who came near it but not the 3 young men.
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC Really? So then satan is symbolic and he's going to get "seasoned" and "corrected"?
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC Exactly! Then why are their sins mentioned then? It doesn't "effects of sins", it mentions their sin.
Oops!
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC See, they're not being punished for the "effects of sin", they're being punished FOR THEIR SINS!
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC See here's your problem idiot...
Their sins are counted against them, otherwise they wouldn't have been mentioned.
Oops!
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC See, if what you said was true then why doesn't everyone get tossed into "corrective discipline"?
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
"These (unsaved) will go away into eternal punishment and the righteous (saved) into eternal life".
Yep, not a word about the "effects of sin" only the actual sinners themselves.
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC Yep, doesn't say a word of what you said there at all. Try again douche bag!
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC Please show me a verse that says that "the results of sin need to be corrected"? Why doesn't everyone get tossed into the lake of fire then douche bag?
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC That wasn't the question douche. I asked what was being corrected?
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC Your god couldn't have defeated satan, because your god doesn't exist.
If Jesus paid for all sins then why do you say that some people must undergo "corrective discipline"?
What needs to be corrected if Jesus paid foe all sins?
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@386ABC Eternal Torment in Hell: "Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the ETERNAL FIRE prepared for the devil and his angels". Matthew 25:41 ETERNAL, EVERLASTING FIRE.....NEVER QUENCHED.....NEVER CEASING......Lake of Fire: Revelation 19:19-21; 20:10-14; 21:8 Jesus can't get much plainer than that. LAKE OF FIRE is forever, everlasting PUNISHMENT; the body NEVER CEASES, NEVER DISAPPEARS..........Not looking too promising for you. Too Bad
JesusHoldMyHand1 4 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Lake of Fire: Matthew 13:41-41 & 49-50; Mark 9:47-48; Revelation 14:9-11; 19:19-21; 20:10-14: 21:8 The body NEVERS CEASES, NEVER DISAPPEARS.......ALWAYS SEES, FEELS & KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON........Woe to you......You'd better BEWARE.......For the God that CREATED the Lake of Fire is the ONE that's in charge. He KNOWS your fate!!!!
JesusHoldMyHand1 4 months ago
@386ABC In the Words of Jesus: "Enter through the narrow gate. For WIDE is the gate and BROAD is the road that leads to DESTRUCTION, and MANY enter through it. But SMALL is the gate and NARROW the road that leads to life, and ONLY A FEW FIND IT." More peope are influenced by satan than God. All FALSE religions, abortions, lying, stealing, drunkeness, rape, homosexuality, cursing the Lord, Hating Him, praying to Mary, allah, bowing before statues, are just SOME of the tools of satan.
JesusHoldMyHand1 4 months ago
@386ABC And you just keep on following satan. You will be very sorry one of these that you're making a very grave decision.
JesusHoldMyHand1 4 months ago
@386ABC You speak like Your Father, the Devil. You had better grow up.
JesusHoldMyHand1 4 months ago
@386ABC Considering that satan is the Father of all Lies, Murders, Pedophiles, Stealing, Pride, Adultry, Homosexuality, Perversion, False Religions & Hate who will spend Eternity WITH all of his followers in the Lake of Fire, I find it pathetic that you think he's so wonderful. No burn medication for you. Eternal, Everlasting, Never Ceasing Lake of Fire.
JesusHoldMyHand1 4 months ago
@386ABC That's why the one that Jesus spoke about is different. He clearly said "where the fire is NEVER quenched and THEIR worm never dies". The one He spoke of is quite unique.
Glad to let you know!
gtrjunky 4 months ago
@gtrjunky in parable figurative.
MrPaulryan76 1 month ago
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@386ABC Adios you pathetic turd!
ekkIesia386 4 months ago
Jesus DID speak of Hell. It doesn't matter what the "formal" name of this place was because the place He spoke about was aweful so oit doesn't matter if He called it Candyland, the bottom line is that it was a warning and it was terrible.
gtrjunky 4 months ago
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Also, Jesus said that it would have been better for Judas if he had not been born than for him to betrqay Jesus.
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
To add t that, if Jesus wanted every single person He had ever created to be saved then why did He ONLY pray for those whom the Father had given Him? Jesus said "I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given me".
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@cqqrzgth God can see PAST Eternity. He already know who will Accept, Love & Worship Him. Yes, it is His desire for ALL to belong to Him, but MORE Reject the Lord that who will Accept Him. We are "Chosen & Predestined" BEFORE the creation of the World. Ephesians 1:4-5; 1:11-12; 1Peter 1:1-2 Even though God gave EVERYONE Freedom of Choice, many make the WRONG Choice. Hopes this helps you.
JesusHoldMyHand1 4 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1
AMEN!
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
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If everyone was gpoing to be saved then why did Paul wish himself to be "cut off" from Christ for the sake of his bretheren? That makes no sense.
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
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Jesus made it very clear about Hell in the account of the rich man and Lazarus.
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
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@386ABC If everyone is "in Christ" and those who are "in Christ" are not appointed to wrath then why did Paul tell those in Rome that they were storing up "wrath for themselves"? Huh douchebag?
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
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@386ABC Still can't tell me why Paul said that those who are "in Christ" are not appointed to wrath" yet Paul said to some of them in Rome that they were storing up wrath for themselves?
RUUNDD 4 months ago
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@386ABC Jesus mentioned Hell on several occasions. In fact, Hell is known by it's description, not a formal title. But then only a pathetic turd like you wouldn't understand this.
RUUNDD 4 months ago
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See, if Paul thought that everyone was going to be saved then he wouldn't have wished himself to be "cut off/accursed" from Christ for the sake of his kinsmen. He would have sqaid "oh well, it doesn't matter anyway".
RUUNDD 4 months ago
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So if "everyone" is "in Christ" and Paul said that those who are "in Christ" are not appointed to wrath then why did he tell those in Romans that they were "storing up wrath for thmeselves"?
RUUNDD 4 months ago
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@386ABC God tell Adam and Eve about the bread and wine? Why ddn't He tell them about the blood sacrifices?
RUUNDD 4 months ago
@386ABC It doesn't matter you pathetic turd, Jesus did and that's all that matters.
RUUNDD 4 months ago
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It's rather difficult to see that Paul would wish himself to be accursed/cut off if he thought that everyone were going to be saved. Obviously Paul did NOT think this.
RUUNDD 4 months ago
@386ABC If eevryone is "in Christ" and those who are "in Christ" are not appointed to wrath then why did Paul tell those in Rome that they were storing up "wrath for themselves"? Huh douchebag?
RUUNDD 4 months ago
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Besides, if everyone were going to be saved then why did Paul say that ONLY the remnant will be saved in Romans 9?
RUUNDD 4 months ago
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Paul must have really been grieving to wish himself to be cut off from Christ for the sake of his unsaved bretheren. Obviously Paul did not teach universalism.
RUUNDD 4 months ago
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@386ABC The second death is forever. Pretty simple huh douchbag?
RUUNDD 4 months ago
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Paul must have really been grieving to wish himself to be cut off from Christ for the sake of his unsaved bretheren. Obviously Paul did not teach universalism.
Can I get an Ooooops?
RUUNDD 4 months ago
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Jesus also said that i would have been better for Judas to have not been born than to betray Jesus plus Paul warned about the fiery judgment that comes upon those who do not obey the gospel.
RUUNDD 4 months ago
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So if "everyone" is "in Christ" and Paul said that those who are "in Christ" are not appointed to wrath then why did he tell those in Romans that they were "storing up wrath for thmeselves"?
RUUNDD 4 months ago
@386ABC Looks like you're the douchbag that can't answer the question s huh?
RUUNDD 4 months ago
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@386ABC How come Paul didn't use the word "Trinity"??? Oooops, looks like I made you look like the ass that you are again.
RUUNDD 4 months ago
@386ABC It doesn't matter you pathetic turd. He talked about using other words.
Oooops!!!
RUUNDD 4 months ago
@386ABC So if "everyone" is "in Christ" and Paul said that those who are "in Christ" are not appointed to wrath then why did he tell those in Romans that they were "storing up wrath for thmeselves"?
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
@cqqrzgth Looks like a big OOOOPS to me.
gtrjunky 4 months ago
@386ABC Say G'bye douchbag. Better head off to the bathhouse.
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
Paul talked about the fiery judgement for those who do not obey the gospel.
cqqrzgth 4 months ago
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Paul must have really been grieving to wish himself to be cut off from Christ for the sake of his unsaved bretheren. Obviously Paul did teach universalism.
RUUNDD 4 months ago
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Of course the bible is clear that Jesus created all things so whatever day He created Hell is irrelevant, the point is He created it and some people go there forever.
RUUNDD 4 months ago
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Why would Paul tell one group of people that they are storing up wrath and then tell another group that there is no wrath for those who are "in Christ"?
RUUNDD 4 months ago
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Jesus couldn't have been more clear about hell by telling of the rich man and Lazarus.
RUUNDD 4 months ago
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Besides, if everyone were going to be saved then why did Paul say that ONLY the remnant will be saved in Romans 9?
RUUNDD 4 months ago
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Jesus also said that i would have been better for Judas to have not been born than to betray Jesus plus Paul warned about the fiery judgment that comes upon those who do not obey the gospel.
RUUNDD 4 months ago