I wonder if Dick Cheney would have gotten all of his heart surgeries if he was a private citizen? With his pre-existing condition he would have been DENIED! But nope my tax dollars pay for HIS health care and ALL the health care for ALL the politicians, but we the people suffer while they sit and laugh at us. Think about that the next time you get a bill from your insurance company. Greed is awful, and we are the victims. STOP THE REPUBLIACNS and TRUMP FROM REPEALING THE NEW HEALTH CARE BILL!
Actually, the profit margin in the insurance industry, esp. healthcare, is only 2%. It's one of the LOWEST of any industry in our economy! This idea that all this stuff you consider "evil" by insurers is done simply out of profit motive is ridiculous. If they REALLY wanted tons more profit, don't you think they'd be doing this kind of stuff a lot more often? What kind of really greedy businessman would go into an industry with a low profit margin rather than a high one?
@whoo689 Plus, has anyone even INTERVIEWED or talked with an insurance exec about these practices? Or looked at their balance sheets? I think the results may surprise you. You guys just ASSUME that anything that's done that's not PERFECT or near-perfect that the private sector does is "evil" or "done out of greed." come on, now. Really...?
I'm not trying to shill for insurance, but I am skeptical of your claims. Healthcare is one of the most heavily-regulated industries.
@whoo689 The costs of doing something like health insurance, I'm sure, are ENORMOUS. A person running these companies has to balance those costs against revenues and profit. That's just how the system is. The reason gov't doesn't do this as often is precisely THAT- gov't doesn't have to worry about profit or as much about keeping deficits at bay. At least the federal gov't, that is. And gov't usually is given a lot more money per program to pay for stuff like insurance.
@whoo689 When you're a private company that has to meet some level of profit, keep budgets balanced, and only have so much money to pay for stuff, it's a balancing act. Until one of you (and I) get into the insurance industry and see for yourselves just what execs have to deal with when running things, it'd be best not to judge and make assumptions like "Well, they're denying care and raising premiums and shit just b/c they want more profit."
@whoo689 I'm not saying the situation is perfect or near-perfect, or that some gov't regulation or a public option is unnecessary or undesirable. But I am trying to be objective here. Why are preexisting conditions denied? Is it JUST BECAUSE the insurers are "greedy"? NO, of course not. Preexisting condition people COST A LOT OF MONEY. I'm not saying refusing care is desirable or necessarily a good thing, but private insurance is a business, unfortunately.
@whoo689 It's so weird to see so many liberals bitch and get all surprised because PRIVATE BUSINESS (in this case the insurers) is acting EXACTLY in the way that we would expect it to, given the current incentives. Why are you surprised?? Did you REALLY think a private insurer with limited funds was gonna give EVERYONE the same premiums regardless of risk, insurance ANYONE who asked for it, and give a free pass to the VERY EXPENSIVE patients?? come on
@whoo689 A few insurers now are dropping their coverage of kids altogether, in a sense. Many have raised premiums. Whether this is due to the healthcare law remains to be seen, but I don't doubt the possibility. There are so many regulations tying the hands of the insurers to price insurance and offer more flexible plans that they don't have a lot of options, you know.
If you wanted a better insurance system, why didn't we just get a public option or high-risk pools or something?
-kids can stay on parents coverage til 26 (which is weird, because 18 is legally an adult and 21 is the age for alcohol and gambling)
You let private insurance remain a business all these decades, yet you want to pretend like it's a charity and regulate it as one. But you can't have it both ways. That will be a disaster.
@whoo689 I mean, to a certain extent, why SHOULDN'T riskier patients pay higher premiums? It seems only fair, if you ask me. And forcing insurers to cover a WIDE range of shit for even the most basic plans sounds insane. Let consumers decide what they want in their plans and negotiate with the insurers, provided there's enough competition (if we were to repeal things like McCarran-Ferguson, that is). I think consumers are smart enough to know how much coverage THEY need.
@whoo689 And if the patients want MORE coverage down the line, let them ask for it of their insurer and pay a slightly higher fee.
But the way gov't is treating private insurance now, the actuarial estimations and premium-setting just can't be done. I understand there are some who can't afford insurance no matter what, and we should help those people, but for those who CAN well-afford the coverage, esp. higher-risk ones, they should have to pay their fair share.
@whoo689 Plus, isn't insurance supposed to INSURE against catastrophes? Health insurance today seems to encourage moral hazard with ALL the stuff that's covered, even routine shit. If you get a relatively cheap doctor's visit, you should pay for it mostly out-of-pocket or save up with something like an MSA. Don't rely so much on the insurance. The overreliance on insurance seems to be a huge driver of the increase in price. We have insulated consumers from their healthcare choices.
@whoo689 And for god sakes, we need to SERIOUSLY do something about the actual prices. Increasing insurance won't mean a damn thing if prices keep rising to ridiculous levels. In the long run, lowering prices tremendously so most people can afford the stuff regardless of income level seems much more efficient than simply giving more coverage.
Not saying that's easy, but it should've at least been tried by Obama and the Dems. But they ignored THAT aspect.
ERISA needs to be rewritten, Cigna is disgusting, even abusive. It is time for the Federal government to end this crap!! my kimike1000 we have there reps on tape.
wonderful video and yes the c caring in cigna means careless The new ceo this get got a 50% pay increase the people who work have crap for insuance and pay higher premiums that people they insure
Just how many chances are you going to give me 30 fuckin messages ago you said you were going to have my account deleted, doesn't your mouth get tired of rambling along, oops , sorry you have plenty to keep that little rascal exercised , don't you
@worldmayhem hey mayhem tell us again about your mothers gag reflex, sounds like your proud of that old whore of yours, I hear doctors look at her and consult each other and wonder how one woman can carry so many sexually transmitted disease's in one's vocal chords
i make to much to get access,but i don't make enough to spend 400 bucks a month for me and my family for health insurance,,,,,,,,,,,,i guess me and my kids are fucked if we ever get sick,,, but yet cons in prison get health care????????????? rapist,child molesters,murders get health care but my family cant............i work 40 hours a week,pay my taxes obey the laws and my country puts its boot on my throat and spits on me.
If the U.S. stopped spending so many tax paying dollars in the Middle East, Dismantled "ALL" our military bases around the world, eliminate private banking (Federal Reserve Bank owned by "WE THE PEOPLE" w/interest @ 4%), Eliminate Private Insurance (instill universal health care), Re-instate Labor Camps for criminals to pay their own way (fix our roads), Secure "ALL" Borders, Fine all illegal aliens and/or work camp for repeated offenses, we wouldn't be in the predicament were in now.
Indeed. I do enjoy my free government provided health care provider. I get injured It gets fixed. I need my asthma treated, I go see the doctor.
However, the army will use and then discard you. You will come out broken in some way.
But if nothing else, I do not have to pay for medical bills. And it irritates me that my own family goes into debt over medical while I skip on by with no Bills to that regard.
I heard the very same thing the other day. We don't think about it, but they get medical, dental,and a law abriding person can be turned down, we have something backwards
If you murder someone and can't afford a lawyer, one will be hired for you at tax payers expense. They will also provide you with a bible while your in jail, along with free medical care.
Now on the other hand, if you're a law abiding, taxpaying citizen, and happen to get real sick, either your insurance company kills you, or if you have no insurance you die cheaper. What a great country this is.
@benstolen59 So wait a minute? Are you saying I have to turn into a criminal in order to receive Socialized Universal Health care? Who shall I kill???
The only source of income for a health insurance company is premiums. Therefore, the only way for them to make money is to deny as many claims as possible. That's the system that the right is so hell bent on keeping?
I understand the politicians, they're on the insurance lobby payroll. But that little loud minority that pretends they are the minority...what do they have to gain? An autographed photo of Glenn Beck?
This is great! I'm self-employed, and the $400/month I hand over to United HealthCare doesn't cover squat. I'm looking at other companies, but I'm learning that they are al the same. Health care, as it is, will be the downfall of the US.
You may have job-provided benefits and disagree with me, but contact me and let's talk...after your company cuts those benefits.
Insurance companies are not good. People before profit only after profit before people is their gig. When I hear the word "insurance" I either laugh hysterically or become very sad.
If we cut most of the foriegn aid to other places in the world would that not help pay for this. We have less people working now which means less taxes coming in. It seems to me we should take care of our own. I have said that for years/ We send money over to another country, and some here is dieing of cancer. The whole system is messed up.
However, we are pretty famous for assuming that if someone fails in the US it's because they are some lazy, stupid motherfuckers and it's no one's fault but their own that their life sucks.
Woman in an abusive relationship? She's stupid. Woman has kids with this person? She's a slut. She leaves this guy, even worse.
Why should we help her? However, 3rd world country? We don't have enough canned goods to throw at her.
The Public Option is Not DEAD. 3 out of 4 bills being considered include the public option. Now is not the time to retreat now is the time to turn up the heat and apply pressure. Call and Demand thhey use the RECONCILIATION OPTION! If you need the numbers you can find them on my profile. You will also find several other resources in the comment section that will help you become more active. Together we CAN do this!
We want to believe: 1) the "U.S. does it best" 2) good things happen to good people - bad people get what they deserve 3) good genes and working hard provides immunity from catastrophy 4) things happens to other people, other families.
The middle class and small business is being bankrupted,, while deregulation and corporate sponsorship of Congress win the day.
I'd say we deserve what's coming to us if not for the millions of innocent, hard-working, honest Americans harmed.
Ok, we have the best healthcare in the world. there are about 10 million without healthcare when you cut out the people that should not be here, the younger who chose not to buy it. If you are sick or hurt the emer cannot turn you down for care. My wife is a nurse and see's all the time. My cancer dr has a office where she treats cancer patients without health ins. I work for a drug comp. we give away 1 B of meds a year to people who dont hav ins. Is our perfect no, but I would not want to move.
Yes, but in New Zealand, because it's a socialist nightmare... government trained ninjas go around killing old people to maintain the system! Everyone is forced to work in dreary government collectives, and citizens must correctly recite Chairman Mao before getting their one bowl of government-issued gruel to live on, right? And over 20,000 New Zealanders die every year because of socialized medicine! Wait that's how many US Americans die from being uninsured. Nevermind.
The US has plenty of commodities. The health it's citizens should not be one of them. Those who are blindly obeisant to the whims of capitalism cannot wrap their minds around this battle. That is why it is extremely important for those who believe in the just cause to stand up and fight for what you believe in. Lives are at stake. We must all be involved. The truth will strike down the propaganda.
This commercial could equally apply to medicare and medicaid. What's your solution, what's being presented in Congress? Why doesn't it address what polls say we want, such as better management of existing costs? Because it serves the gov't, not us. They say they'll provide for our sick while using it as an excuse to just add more people to our payroll. Don't believe me? Ask yourself why we didn't hear the actual $ figure for more support to Afghanistan last week. We're being manipulated.
My brother in law owned his own business for 25 yrs and has been a good citizen.He had insurance with the same insurance company all those years. Then his wife got sick and the insurance company increased their rates till he could no longer afford to keep it. Now no coverage for his wife and the bills are driving them into the poor house. Had to sell everything to pay the medical bills and bills keep coming. I think everyone had better wake up and fix the healthcare problem or we could be next.
MRAMERICA...U R AN IDIOT. PERIOD. Your description of pre-existing conditions is completely wrong. And how can democratic countries be socialist? MORON! GET SICK.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA-I'm allways amazed when people such as yourself stand in the way of progress and what is good for the average joe while claiming they are doing so for the good of the country.The word "social" is not bad regardless of what the Rush Limbaughs and Glenn Becks of the world tell you.There are only two reasons to be against a national healthcare program and single payer plan- you're wealthy and profit by taking advantage of U.S. citizens or you do not understand the plan
progress?? Stepping back to Communism isn't progress.
There's only one reason anyone would want a governmnet ran healthvare. They arew to damn lazy to get off their fat ass and go out and buy healthcare.
The Obama plan is to do one thing, to drive down what people spend on healthcare. With the government runningnit that will say who will get what treatments, not you or your doctor.Just to drive down cost to the GDP. Not that it will save you a penny. you'll be taxed the same as insurance does.
What about people who can't get care because of pre-existing conditions? What about the fact that these insurance rackets have set prices far in excess of what they need to charge? And it doesn't matter if your doctor runs things or your government does, if your insurance doesn't cover the treatment it doesn't matter what your doctor recommends. Unless you have a few spare hundred thousand dollars you won't get that expensive cancer treatment.
pre-existing conditions, means they have gone years without buying healthcare. Felt, why should they. They feel just fine. They eat right and take care of themselves. Use the money they saved of having fun in live. Then it happens. They find they have cancer. The price then is no coverage. i have no problem. Maybe they 2 vacations a year,3 new cars and SUV's, and their kids having anything and everything they want was damn well worth it.
People like you really hurt my feelings. I am 30 years old and have been fighting a genetic disease that is going to kill me since I was 19. I have worked every day of my life (that I haven't been in a hospital) since I was 16. I am not overweight, I have never had the luxury of going on ANY vacation, and I have hundreds of hours of charity work logged.
I am one of the people that NEED health care and am unable to afford it because of my "pre-existing" condition. I am not looking for a handout. I just want to be able to live what time I have left comfortably, with access to the treatments that I need.
I have Cancer, It is in remmison. I great health ins. I am very blessed, they paid for all my treatments and follow ups every 3 months. I have had it since 2000 and never had any problem with them paying my bills. I work for a drug company too. We give away around a billion dollars of Meds to patients who cannot afford there meds. Every large drug company has a Patient asst program. If you need help find out who makes what you take and get in touch with that company. Drug companies do care.
Congratulations on your wonderful healthcare coverage. You must not have been treated for acne as a teenager and forgot to report it. If you lose your job and subsequently your health insurance, good luck getting coverage with your pre-existing condition. You can join a high-risk pool for maybe $4000-$5000 per month, depending where you live. But I suppose that's only fair. Sick people aren't as profitable.
I have been blessed. I have been at the company long enough now, I keep at group rates when I retire. I was blessed to get locked into to that benefit 5 years ago before some changes in it. I do think something should be done where you can get ins of you are sick just as if you were not. That was a smart ass remark about acne. by the way i never had it. The Cancer group I go too, has a office were they treat folks with CANCER that don't have ins. No industry can do anything they want, spare me.
How was the acne comment a smart-ass remark? Tell that to the woman that had breast cancer and was denied payment for treatment because she had been treated for acne and that was used as a loophole. When you have life-and-death decisions being influenced by profit there is something wrong with that system. We are the only industrialized nation that allows that to happen.
I am sorry, I did not know that. How in the world did they get away with that. What state? she could right her senator. I will check into it. They cannot get away with that. You are right, that has to stop. Is she on one of these tapes? I am sorry I said that remark to you.
One last thing. I know they care because I have worked for one for 30 years. The reason we are living longer because of all the money spent in R&D. It takes about 10 years to get a drug from start to FDA approval.
The pharmaceutical industry spends more on marketing than it does in R&D, typically 2 to 3 times as much. Source: SEC EDGAR, 10K filings. They spents hundreds of millions of dollars in Washington to influence legislation, such as Medicare part D which earned them a $3.7 billion windfall in the first 2 years. So they give away some free drugs. Does that mean we should let them do whatever they want?
Would the taxpayers bail out a pharmaceutical company like they did the banks and car companies. I think not. They are like any other company, they have to make a profit. Think about that if you get sick and some drug saves you or a family member's life.
That's right--every industrial democracy in the world is made up of lazy people who won't get off their fat asses, and that's why most of Europe kicks US ass in terms of productivity and competitiveness! The whole damn capitalist world is communist! MrSTANDFOR, you need to get out of the house more--maybe pick up a newspaper while you're out. Have a look at the WHO ratings of health care, maybe.
It was said "every industrial democracy" not every. Every country isn't a industrial democracy . but every industrial democracy is no more than a socialist country.
As Monty Python would say, "That's not argument; that's just contradiction!" If you mean that every industrial democracy other than the US is socialist, there's not even any disagreement. I see in other comments by you that you believe individuals buy their own insurance, ignoring that US businesses pay 3/4 of the cost for employees they cover. While you blather, US business operates at a disadvantage; employees get lower wages; and people die. You really should develop a sense of shame.
1st, your argument's a red herring--the $2.15 would've been higher if the company wasn't paying for health insurance then (company ins. is an innovation of the '40s and '50s, not the '00s). 2nd, you're just wrong. Look at minimum wage at Wikipedia's: note the 2009 equivalent dollar amount corresponding to your $2.15. It's just below nine bucks, so in real dollars, you're down a buck 'n' a half an hour. You are not for people and not for business and not for America--MRSTANDFORINSURANCECOMPANIES.
Your interpretation of WHO's site is interesting. Somehow you missed all the stuff about life expectancy, healthy life expectancy, infant mortality, maternal mortality, and so on, and you concluded that amount spent on health care is the only basis for WHO assessments? Crazy, man! (Just wildly wrong, too.) Ya know, people in the US work more hours per year and die sooner than in other industrial democracies (those Euro countries, Japan, etc.). That's freedom? Isn't time off from work better?
I'm not missing a thing. WHO is ran by the UN. and 7/8th of UN are no more than 3rd world countries. the less the USA gives to the UN, the worst these 3rd world countries fall. So to hell with the UN and the WHO. That just want to line their pockets with US tax dollars.
it's funny to see reports of these 3rd world coutris working 16 hours aday and for what, enough to buy a loaf of bread.
that's not freedom, that's called working for the state.
That's the spirit! "If the statistics don't say what I'd like 'em to say, I'll just blather along about stuff that doesn't affect them and them declare them wrong. After all, it's gotta be the statistics that are wrong--I couldn't be wrong!" If your doctor ever diagnoses you with anything serious, I'm sure you'll just argue the disease out of your system--right up to the moment when it kills you because it doesn't care how deeply in denial of reality you are!
it's not that I don't like the statistics, it's that know the UN and how all their statistics have been proven wrong everytime they have posted any.
So without the statistics lets just say you're just one of those lazy peopole taht wants me and the rest of the nation to pay youir heathcare. No thanks buy your on damn healthcare.
As the saying goes, "It's not so much what you don't know that causes trouble, but rather the things you 'know' that just ain't so." No doubt by "Buy your on" you mean "Hope your job covers 75% and gets a group rate, and pay the other 25% yourself." Look, you can go on being ignorant forever, but the policies you support cause real damage to lots and lots of Americans who, despite your misanthropy, have done nothing to deserve the suffering. If you won't face that, you won't, though. Stay blind.
LOL i'm no where close to beinga millionaire. but I can afford $8000 a year. if he can't afford $8000 a year and make more than me., he is just another bum. and yeah there are rich bums to. greedy bastards. Sitting on money but always have their hands in other peoples pockets.
now we are the country with the hghest bankruptcy from medical cost in the world. we have poorer general care then most of the first world. we are the only first world nation without universal healthcare, we have the highest uninsured in the world. we have the highest costs for healthcare in the world but have = or worse out comes .
tell me what is so great about this system and if its so good why does no one else other then myanmar, and a few more.
You are a perfect example for how messed up the education system is. The only first world country?????? You are clearly delusional. Google "First World" and get your facts straight!
you just said you think we are the only first world nation. look you're clearly not of sound mind, you want to just let this go. i see there is no reasoning with you.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA-Repeating the rhetoric of right wing hate mongers does not serve you well. You should take a few moments and take a look at ALL of the developed nations of the world who provide comprehensive healthcare for their citizens.You also may want to learn the difference between social programs and communism. The scare tactics of the right wing have little to do with facts and more to do with manipulating the naive. Social security didn't make us a communist nation.Stop being a tool.
Oh yeah if I get cancer Jesus as my savior will come and rescue me from the insurance companies cutting me off because of my "pre-existing" condition Get real dude, Or wait better yet if I take the lord into my heart and repent my heathen ways I will never get sick, and I wont ever get the evil cancer. I bet your one of those twisted fucks who think that abortion causes breast cancer.
If ANYONE has a good argument in favor of private healthcare industries keeping their bloodthirsty profits I'd love to hear it. There is absolutely NO plausible defense against producing a public option so long as that government option is deficit neutral or minimally expensive.
Most Americans don't realize that our country is being used by corporations in a gigantic ponzi scheme. Wall street isn't the only place for this. Think about it, most corporations pay the top executives huge salaries and as you reach the bottom of the company the money gets smaller and the work gets harder. Even the average shareholder gets a small amount on their investment if any at all. Win or lose the top people never lose money while the ones near the bottom lose all of the time.
At what point did Americans start not wanting a choice? When did we start allowing big business to tell us what to do. Why are we getting sick and dying to line thier pockets with gold? And I'm tired of these congressmen/woman voting for what is good for them.(more money in thier pockets from the insurance companys) They have been bought and sold.!! And they have health insurance. If they vote no on healthcare for us then they should have to go without too!
Some fool asked "how to pay for it"? Obviously--(as I wrote back)--TAX THE 1% RICH WHO OWN 95% OF THIS COUNTRY'S ASSETS, WHO'VE TAKEN OUR MONEY FOR YEARS, AND WHO PAY NO TAXES--WHILE YOU AND I DO!
UNLESS, OF COURSE , YOU'RE ONE OF THE 1%. IF YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE AN ALL-DAY SUCKER.
Let's start with a Tobin Tax, i.e., essentially a sales tax of a fraction of a cent on financial transactions, e.g., trading of stocks, bonds, derivitives, indexes, etc. This could raise trillions of dollars while simultaneously stabilizing the markets by reducing volatility and reducing speculation.
reply Silveracity Oh I don't know how about end the war on pot. Save 50 Billion. That gets you half way there. Then get back all the cash wasted on Tarp. that would give Americans health care for 14 years.
Don't just end the war on drugs, try ending all war. Good luck with that. People want war, if they didn't want it, it would go away. As far as the tarp, that was wasted money, but most people don't care to do anything about it.
Someone said, "democracy is two wolves and one sheep voting on what's for dinner." Our system was set up as a Republic, where everyone has rights, not just the group with the most votes (or the loudest voices). And Capitalism is actually the state religion, whose dogma is that the rich deserve their wealth and the poor deserve to suffer. Personally, I put people before profits, and I seem to recall that Jesus said a camel can pass through the eye of a needle easier than a rich man into Heaven.
Last month Cigna denied me surgery to reapair a torn meniscus. Said the damage wasn't bad enough to warrent the cost. I asked if I was just supposed to walk around (in pain) on it until it DID warrent the cost? Their agent had no answer for that question!
In Canada everyone is covered. No one goes broke paying for healthcare. No one dies because they have been dumped by their insurance company. Yay Canada
Right in one. That is the reason why I LAUD Canada, because they have realized that NO ONE, no matter how much they are bashed on by other people for their person choices, deserves to go bankrupt or DIE for lack of healthcare.
the american healthcare system just seems diisgusting to the rest of the world. We in Britain receive fantastic state care that we do not pay for anything more than the basic cost, no profits requred. Aren't you at about the Cuba/Slovakia area of the world list of best healthcare providers?
I don't remember about Slovakia, but going by "Sicko!" poverty-ridden Cuba has health care
that's available to everyone in the country. It might not be fancy and shiny, but it takes care of people when they need it, and it doesn't cover rich people lavishly while sending the poor away to die because it's too costly to be "worthwhile" to treat them. That makes it superior in my estimation, to the evil, broken system we have here in the USA. We rank below Cuba in citizen health, don't we?
Pretty close to par, actually, but Cuba does a much better overall job. The US, a couple years ago, ranked 43rd in the world on the World Health Organizations list of overall quality of care. The latest list put us at about 40th. It's not that we got better, its that other places got worse. We rank approx. 11th in infant mortality too. We DO have the most expensive "health care" on the planet, though. Maybe that counts for something...
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Was just at the WHO site. They base the healthcare on how much a country spends on their GDP. Not the quality of care. The WHO says if they based it upon the quality of care, the USA would be #1.
I don't care if the US spent 90% of the GDP on healthcare. It's still the best healthcare on earth.
So you euro's get in line and maybe you'll see a doctor today.
Yeah if you happen to be lucky enough to be able to get health-care insurance. If not, get in line behind all the illegal immigrants in the emergency rooms. Thats if there's any that haven't closed by now.
Your comment is total crap. The WHO rates the US as 37th in quality, BUT first in cost. Quality is, in fact, derived from several different measures, including accessbility, infant mortality, length of life, etc etc. I suggest that you get your facts straight instead of being a mindless ideologue.
You got that part right. The i-pods,x-box,4 cars,boats,summer lake house, ect... all on credit and then whine about they can't afford heathcare. Lets all live beyond our means.
I was quoted $3,500 per month to insure myself and my husband. Could you afford that much a month? And if you can't, does it mean that you are living beyond your means????? Expand your mind.
I have Cigna. One time we got a bill from my pediatrician for a well child visit. Those visits are supposed to be %100 covered. So I call Cigna and ask why they denied payment, they told me that she was only eligible for 9 well child visits before age 2. I asked them how many WC visits we had used. He told me 6. So I said well then isn't the visit covered? He said yes, it should be, I'll resubmit it. They deny things like this all the time, just to see if they can get me to pay instead of them.
hope that approach to healthcare works out for you, but you really need to look at actual data. Not everyone who gets sick eats poorly and is ignorant of physiology. Nice illusion though.
Happens, everyday. You get sick & need to go to ER. You get there & they ask you for your insurance card. info over priority of WHY you are there. You say, I do not have insurance because I lost my job. You go to sit down in the waiting room & sit there, a half-hour. Someone walks in with insurance, gives the medical worker their ins info & sit down next to you. The person that just sat down has their name called. They get up & they are being seen. You are still sitting there. HELLO!!!
well I'm sure there is a couple people they took care of. You're among the lucky ones. Did you ever have a serious health problem? My uncle in 1993 got diagnosed with cancer (that was not a pre-existing condition) and was put on a waiting list and pushed aside with red tape for almost three years after the diagnostic. Then they dropped him for some kind of "paper error" that fuddled up their records and therefore made the legitimacy of his claim void. So there's CIGNA as I know it.
The video needs work if you are going to run it anywhere. I don't pay a whole lot of attention to these ads and something that moves too fast like this does (and using a lousy font) it makes it too much effort to follow; to do this you need a serious hook at the beginning or just to slow it down.
keep believing in your plastic jesus & trickle down b.s. :
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I wonder if Dick Cheney would have gotten all of his heart surgeries if he was a private citizen? With his pre-existing condition he would have been DENIED! But nope my tax dollars pay for HIS health care and ALL the health care for ALL the politicians, but we the people suffer while they sit and laugh at us. Think about that the next time you get a bill from your insurance company. Greed is awful, and we are the victims. STOP THE REPUBLIACNS and TRUMP FROM REPEALING THE NEW HEALTH CARE BILL!
NowThePeople 9 months ago
Actually, the profit margin in the insurance industry, esp. healthcare, is only 2%. It's one of the LOWEST of any industry in our economy! This idea that all this stuff you consider "evil" by insurers is done simply out of profit motive is ridiculous. If they REALLY wanted tons more profit, don't you think they'd be doing this kind of stuff a lot more often? What kind of really greedy businessman would go into an industry with a low profit margin rather than a high one?
whoo689 1 year ago
@whoo689 Plus, has anyone even INTERVIEWED or talked with an insurance exec about these practices? Or looked at their balance sheets? I think the results may surprise you. You guys just ASSUME that anything that's done that's not PERFECT or near-perfect that the private sector does is "evil" or "done out of greed." come on, now. Really...?
I'm not trying to shill for insurance, but I am skeptical of your claims. Healthcare is one of the most heavily-regulated industries.
whoo689 1 year ago
@whoo689 The costs of doing something like health insurance, I'm sure, are ENORMOUS. A person running these companies has to balance those costs against revenues and profit. That's just how the system is. The reason gov't doesn't do this as often is precisely THAT- gov't doesn't have to worry about profit or as much about keeping deficits at bay. At least the federal gov't, that is. And gov't usually is given a lot more money per program to pay for stuff like insurance.
whoo689 1 year ago
@whoo689 When you're a private company that has to meet some level of profit, keep budgets balanced, and only have so much money to pay for stuff, it's a balancing act. Until one of you (and I) get into the insurance industry and see for yourselves just what execs have to deal with when running things, it'd be best not to judge and make assumptions like "Well, they're denying care and raising premiums and shit just b/c they want more profit."
whoo689 1 year ago
@whoo689 I'm not saying the situation is perfect or near-perfect, or that some gov't regulation or a public option is unnecessary or undesirable. But I am trying to be objective here. Why are preexisting conditions denied? Is it JUST BECAUSE the insurers are "greedy"? NO, of course not. Preexisting condition people COST A LOT OF MONEY. I'm not saying refusing care is desirable or necessarily a good thing, but private insurance is a business, unfortunately.
whoo689 1 year ago
@whoo689 It's so weird to see so many liberals bitch and get all surprised because PRIVATE BUSINESS (in this case the insurers) is acting EXACTLY in the way that we would expect it to, given the current incentives. Why are you surprised?? Did you REALLY think a private insurer with limited funds was gonna give EVERYONE the same premiums regardless of risk, insurance ANYONE who asked for it, and give a free pass to the VERY EXPENSIVE patients?? come on
whoo689 1 year ago
@whoo689 A few insurers now are dropping their coverage of kids altogether, in a sense. Many have raised premiums. Whether this is due to the healthcare law remains to be seen, but I don't doubt the possibility. There are so many regulations tying the hands of the insurers to price insurance and offer more flexible plans that they don't have a lot of options, you know.
If you wanted a better insurance system, why didn't we just get a public option or high-risk pools or something?
whoo689 1 year ago
@whoo689 -can't set liftetime caps
-no dropping coverage
-no preexisting condition denials
-maximum per-year copay limit
-kids can stay on parents coverage til 26 (which is weird, because 18 is legally an adult and 21 is the age for alcohol and gambling)
You let private insurance remain a business all these decades, yet you want to pretend like it's a charity and regulate it as one. But you can't have it both ways. That will be a disaster.
whoo689 1 year ago
@whoo689 I mean, to a certain extent, why SHOULDN'T riskier patients pay higher premiums? It seems only fair, if you ask me. And forcing insurers to cover a WIDE range of shit for even the most basic plans sounds insane. Let consumers decide what they want in their plans and negotiate with the insurers, provided there's enough competition (if we were to repeal things like McCarran-Ferguson, that is). I think consumers are smart enough to know how much coverage THEY need.
whoo689 1 year ago
@whoo689 And if the patients want MORE coverage down the line, let them ask for it of their insurer and pay a slightly higher fee.
But the way gov't is treating private insurance now, the actuarial estimations and premium-setting just can't be done. I understand there are some who can't afford insurance no matter what, and we should help those people, but for those who CAN well-afford the coverage, esp. higher-risk ones, they should have to pay their fair share.
whoo689 1 year ago
@whoo689 Plus, isn't insurance supposed to INSURE against catastrophes? Health insurance today seems to encourage moral hazard with ALL the stuff that's covered, even routine shit. If you get a relatively cheap doctor's visit, you should pay for it mostly out-of-pocket or save up with something like an MSA. Don't rely so much on the insurance. The overreliance on insurance seems to be a huge driver of the increase in price. We have insulated consumers from their healthcare choices.
whoo689 1 year ago
@whoo689 And for god sakes, we need to SERIOUSLY do something about the actual prices. Increasing insurance won't mean a damn thing if prices keep rising to ridiculous levels. In the long run, lowering prices tremendously so most people can afford the stuff regardless of income level seems much more efficient than simply giving more coverage.
Not saying that's easy, but it should've at least been tried by Obama and the Dems. But they ignored THAT aspect.
whoo689 1 year ago
Bend over? Hahahaha
iluvugo 1 year ago
ERISA needs to be rewritten, Cigna is disgusting, even abusive. It is time for the Federal government to end this crap!! my kimike1000 we have there reps on tape.
kimike1000 1 year ago
wonderful video and yes the c caring in cigna means careless The new ceo this get got a 50% pay increase the people who work have crap for insuance and pay higher premiums that people they insure
sks997 2 years ago
Xanadu
micmore007a 2 years ago
its time for these greedy insurance companies to be put out of business, their execs locked up and a new system put in place.
worldmayhem 2 years ago 10
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worldmayhem 2 years ago
Just how many chances are you going to give me 30 fuckin messages ago you said you were going to have my account deleted, doesn't your mouth get tired of rambling along, oops , sorry you have plenty to keep that little rascal exercised , don't you
pubsterguy 2 years ago
i agree... It SUCKS that these ppl are playing off every1's fears :/
Cheeseheadedbeanboy 2 years ago
@worldmayhem hey mayhem tell us again about your mothers gag reflex, sounds like your proud of that old whore of yours, I hear doctors look at her and consult each other and wonder how one woman can carry so many sexually transmitted disease's in one's vocal chords
pubsterguy 2 years ago
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be4you98ls1 2 years ago
i make to much to get access,but i don't make enough to spend 400 bucks a month for me and my family for health insurance,,,,,,,,,,,,i guess me and my kids are fucked if we ever get sick,,, but yet cons in prison get health care????????????? rapist,child molesters,murders get health care but my family cant............i work 40 hours a week,pay my taxes obey the laws and my country puts its boot on my throat and spits on me.
luvsufc 2 years ago
I can't believe some people in the US want the health care system to stay the way it is? You've been fucking brainwashed.
goodvibesallround 2 years ago
If the U.S. stopped spending so many tax paying dollars in the Middle East, Dismantled "ALL" our military bases around the world, eliminate private banking (Federal Reserve Bank owned by "WE THE PEOPLE" w/interest @ 4%), Eliminate Private Insurance (instill universal health care), Re-instate Labor Camps for criminals to pay their own way (fix our roads), Secure "ALL" Borders, Fine all illegal aliens and/or work camp for repeated offenses, we wouldn't be in the predicament were in now.
Acecool444 2 years ago
In the words of the army:
Injured?
Drink water, Drive on. It'll heal
Granted we would apply that to things like:
"What? Your arm got blown off? what your leg bone is protruding through your knee? Drink water, drive on"
danschaoticmind 2 years ago 3
-Drink Water Hooah!?
-Hooah!
-Then when we are done with the mission go see your free government provided doctor. Hooah?!?!
- I say Hooah!
Chitenza 2 years ago
Indeed. I do enjoy my free government provided health care provider. I get injured It gets fixed. I need my asthma treated, I go see the doctor.
However, the army will use and then discard you. You will come out broken in some way.
But if nothing else, I do not have to pay for medical bills. And it irritates me that my own family goes into debt over medical while I skip on by with no Bills to that regard.
.........._RRRRR-
danschaoticmind 2 years ago
benstolen has got it right... Let's Just all go to Prison
xboxman360man 2 years ago 2
I heard the very same thing the other day. We don't think about it, but they get medical, dental,and a law abriding person can be turned down, we have something backwards
1969pontiac1 2 years ago
If you murder someone and can't afford a lawyer, one will be hired for you at tax payers expense. They will also provide you with a bible while your in jail, along with free medical care.
Now on the other hand, if you're a law abiding, taxpaying citizen, and happen to get real sick, either your insurance company kills you, or if you have no insurance you die cheaper. What a great country this is.
benstolen59 2 years ago 13
@benstolen59 So wait a minute? Are you saying I have to turn into a criminal in order to receive Socialized Universal Health care? Who shall I kill???
Slayerfan84 1 year ago
The health reform is the way!!! Health for all!!!
Please check out my video: To hell with private health insurance
Let's stop those fuckers of the private sector determining who lives and how DIES!
worldfreenow100 2 years ago 2
The only source of income for a health insurance company is premiums. Therefore, the only way for them to make money is to deny as many claims as possible. That's the system that the right is so hell bent on keeping?
I understand the politicians, they're on the insurance lobby payroll. But that little loud minority that pretends they are the minority...what do they have to gain? An autographed photo of Glenn Beck?
rticle15 2 years ago 2
This is great! I'm self-employed, and the $400/month I hand over to United HealthCare doesn't cover squat. I'm looking at other companies, but I'm learning that they are al the same. Health care, as it is, will be the downfall of the US.
You may have job-provided benefits and disagree with me, but contact me and let's talk...after your company cuts those benefits.
moproducer 2 years ago 5
Insurance companies are not good. People before profit only after profit before people is their gig. When I hear the word "insurance" I either laugh hysterically or become very sad.
quitearow 2 years ago 3
being an honest insurance company can be profitable. they do it in lots of countries.
caFexpo00 2 years ago
no they don't... except of america no other developed country has privatised health insurance
thephilippe 2 years ago
Universal care, though.
France - Universal
Italy - Universal
Japan - Universal
Sweden - Universal
It's all universal. We are only one of 5 that don't have one in the world and the only in the western Hemisphere that doesn't.
nosferotica1 2 years ago 3
It is kind of bad when we get beaten out in terms of health care quality by CUBA.
Bunch of commies get better Health care than we do.
Wait....
OH SHI-
danschaoticmind 2 years ago 3
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1969pontiac1 2 years ago
If we cut most of the foriegn aid to other places in the world would that not help pay for this. We have less people working now which means less taxes coming in. It seems to me we should take care of our own. I have said that for years/ We send money over to another country, and some here is dieing of cancer. The whole system is messed up.
1969pontiac1 2 years ago
Of course, charity starts at home.
However, we are pretty famous for assuming that if someone fails in the US it's because they are some lazy, stupid motherfuckers and it's no one's fault but their own that their life sucks.
Woman in an abusive relationship? She's stupid. Woman has kids with this person? She's a slut. She leaves this guy, even worse.
Why should we help her? However, 3rd world country? We don't have enough canned goods to throw at her.
nosferotica1 2 years ago
Actually, if we stop our senseless wars we'd save more than the charity we give...
MassiveLemon 2 years ago
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Smartassawhip 2 years ago
We want to believe: 1) the "U.S. does it best" 2) good things happen to good people - bad people get what they deserve 3) good genes and working hard provides immunity from catastrophy 4) things happens to other people, other families.
The middle class and small business is being bankrupted,, while deregulation and corporate sponsorship of Congress win the day.
I'd say we deserve what's coming to us if not for the millions of innocent, hard-working, honest Americans harmed.
aseasonforreason 2 years ago
Ok, we have the best healthcare in the world. there are about 10 million without healthcare when you cut out the people that should not be here, the younger who chose not to buy it. If you are sick or hurt the emer cannot turn you down for care. My wife is a nurse and see's all the time. My cancer dr has a office where she treats cancer patients without health ins. I work for a drug comp. we give away 1 B of meds a year to people who dont hav ins. Is our perfect no, but I would not want to move.
1969pontiac1 2 years ago
FALSE GOP PROPAGANDA--[ WE HAVE THE BEST HEALTH CARE IN THE WORLD ]—IS 100% FALSE
BUT WE DO HAVE THE MOST EXPENSIVE
The USA has the--BEST SPECIALISTS/TECHNOLOGY--but our FAILED PROFIT-DRIVEN Health Care System ranks 37th in the world !!
It's like saying--OUR ATHLETES won the MOST GOLD MEDALS in the Olympics--so we have the MOST ATHLETIC POPULATION in the world !!
But in reality we have an OVERWEIGHT & SICK--cancer~heart diseases~diabetic--POPULATION as compared to other Nations.
librophile 2 years ago
Cigna is sick. They make money of people who are in pain. Cigna should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity.
WellIAMScottish 2 years ago
LOL
AWESSOME LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
thesparitan 2 years ago
Here in New Zealand Cigna is in the "FUNERAL BUSINESS". Maybe that is the kind of business they really are in the USA :(
Health Insurance companies are "only OK as a Commodity" - NEVER as a necesity!
jona95822 2 years ago 2
Yes, but in New Zealand, because it's a socialist nightmare... government trained ninjas go around killing old people to maintain the system! Everyone is forced to work in dreary government collectives, and citizens must correctly recite Chairman Mao before getting their one bowl of government-issued gruel to live on, right? And over 20,000 New Zealanders die every year because of socialized medicine! Wait that's how many US Americans die from being uninsured. Nevermind.
LongcatBrodzky 2 years ago
The US has plenty of commodities. The health it's citizens should not be one of them. Those who are blindly obeisant to the whims of capitalism cannot wrap their minds around this battle. That is why it is extremely important for those who believe in the just cause to stand up and fight for what you believe in. Lives are at stake. We must all be involved. The truth will strike down the propaganda.
Natheya 2 years ago
medical fascist parasitism .. make healthcare unaffordable and ignore or suppress cheap effective cures
finefilth 2 years ago
This commercial could equally apply to medicare and medicaid. What's your solution, what's being presented in Congress? Why doesn't it address what polls say we want, such as better management of existing costs? Because it serves the gov't, not us. They say they'll provide for our sick while using it as an excuse to just add more people to our payroll. Don't believe me? Ask yourself why we didn't hear the actual $ figure for more support to Afghanistan last week. We're being manipulated.
mr3data 2 years ago
My brother in law owned his own business for 25 yrs and has been a good citizen.He had insurance with the same insurance company all those years. Then his wife got sick and the insurance company increased their rates till he could no longer afford to keep it. Now no coverage for his wife and the bills are driving them into the poor house. Had to sell everything to pay the medical bills and bills keep coming. I think everyone had better wake up and fix the healthcare problem or we could be next.
rlsage 2 years ago
MRAMERICA...U R AN IDIOT. PERIOD. Your description of pre-existing conditions is completely wrong. And how can democratic countries be socialist? MORON! GET SICK.
reefermadnesss 2 years ago
socialism can be the ultimate form of democracy
ipwnorcs 2 years ago
Bring up CEO's on RICO charges as they run a racket
1911arthur 2 years ago 3
truelly funny halfway through i was like wai what
danielfis2222222 2 years ago
Single Payer was off the table
(Just like Impeachment was)
Great MSM Propaganda
Record Insurance Corp Profits!
So Public Option is now off the table too ~
ryanshaunkelly 2 years ago 2
Don't know what you mean. everyone single person has been able to buy their own healthcare.
Or do you mean government ran healthcare = socialized healthcare?
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
The Five Dancing Israelis arrested on 9/11 in NYC
now demand
The United States start & fight more wars for Israel.
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ryanshaunkelly 2 years ago
MrSTANDFORAMERICA-I'm allways amazed when people such as yourself stand in the way of progress and what is good for the average joe while claiming they are doing so for the good of the country.The word "social" is not bad regardless of what the Rush Limbaughs and Glenn Becks of the world tell you.There are only two reasons to be against a national healthcare program and single payer plan- you're wealthy and profit by taking advantage of U.S. citizens or you do not understand the plan
urparanoia 2 years ago 3
progress?? Stepping back to Communism isn't progress.
There's only one reason anyone would want a governmnet ran healthvare. They arew to damn lazy to get off their fat ass and go out and buy healthcare.
The Obama plan is to do one thing, to drive down what people spend on healthcare. With the government runningnit that will say who will get what treatments, not you or your doctor.Just to drive down cost to the GDP. Not that it will save you a penny. you'll be taxed the same as insurance does.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
What about people who can't get care because of pre-existing conditions? What about the fact that these insurance rackets have set prices far in excess of what they need to charge? And it doesn't matter if your doctor runs things or your government does, if your insurance doesn't cover the treatment it doesn't matter what your doctor recommends. Unless you have a few spare hundred thousand dollars you won't get that expensive cancer treatment.
winGums 2 years ago
pre-existing conditions, means they have gone years without buying healthcare. Felt, why should they. They feel just fine. They eat right and take care of themselves. Use the money they saved of having fun in live. Then it happens. They find they have cancer. The price then is no coverage. i have no problem. Maybe they 2 vacations a year,3 new cars and SUV's, and their kids having anything and everything they want was damn well worth it.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
People like you really hurt my feelings. I am 30 years old and have been fighting a genetic disease that is going to kill me since I was 19. I have worked every day of my life (that I haven't been in a hospital) since I was 16. I am not overweight, I have never had the luxury of going on ANY vacation, and I have hundreds of hours of charity work logged.
sweetdriedroses 2 years ago
I am one of the people that NEED health care and am unable to afford it because of my "pre-existing" condition. I am not looking for a handout. I just want to be able to live what time I have left comfortably, with access to the treatments that I need.
sweetdriedroses 2 years ago
I have Cancer, It is in remmison. I great health ins. I am very blessed, they paid for all my treatments and follow ups every 3 months. I have had it since 2000 and never had any problem with them paying my bills. I work for a drug company too. We give away around a billion dollars of Meds to patients who cannot afford there meds. Every large drug company has a Patient asst program. If you need help find out who makes what you take and get in touch with that company. Drug companies do care.
1969pontiac1 2 years ago
Congratulations on your wonderful healthcare coverage. You must not have been treated for acne as a teenager and forgot to report it. If you lose your job and subsequently your health insurance, good luck getting coverage with your pre-existing condition. You can join a high-risk pool for maybe $4000-$5000 per month, depending where you live. But I suppose that's only fair. Sick people aren't as profitable.
FishOn0408 2 years ago
I have been blessed. I have been at the company long enough now, I keep at group rates when I retire. I was blessed to get locked into to that benefit 5 years ago before some changes in it. I do think something should be done where you can get ins of you are sick just as if you were not. That was a smart ass remark about acne. by the way i never had it. The Cancer group I go too, has a office were they treat folks with CANCER that don't have ins. No industry can do anything they want, spare me.
1969pontiac1 2 years ago
How was the acne comment a smart-ass remark? Tell that to the woman that had breast cancer and was denied payment for treatment because she had been treated for acne and that was used as a loophole. When you have life-and-death decisions being influenced by profit there is something wrong with that system. We are the only industrialized nation that allows that to happen.
FishOn0408 2 years ago
I am sorry, I did not know that. How in the world did they get away with that. What state? she could right her senator. I will check into it. They cannot get away with that. You are right, that has to stop. Is she on one of these tapes? I am sorry I said that remark to you.
1969pontiac1 2 years ago
One last thing. I know they care because I have worked for one for 30 years. The reason we are living longer because of all the money spent in R&D. It takes about 10 years to get a drug from start to FDA approval.
1969pontiac1 2 years ago
The pharmaceutical industry spends more on marketing than it does in R&D, typically 2 to 3 times as much. Source: SEC EDGAR, 10K filings. They spents hundreds of millions of dollars in Washington to influence legislation, such as Medicare part D which earned them a $3.7 billion windfall in the first 2 years. So they give away some free drugs. Does that mean we should let them do whatever they want?
FishOn0408 2 years ago
Would the taxpayers bail out a pharmaceutical company like they did the banks and car companies. I think not. They are like any other company, they have to make a profit. Think about that if you get sick and some drug saves you or a family member's life.
1969pontiac1 2 years ago
How much profit is enough? Especially when it comes to matters of life-and-death.
FishOn0408 2 years ago
That's right--every industrial democracy in the world is made up of lazy people who won't get off their fat asses, and that's why most of Europe kicks US ass in terms of productivity and competitiveness! The whole damn capitalist world is communist! MrSTANDFOR, you need to get out of the house more--maybe pick up a newspaper while you're out. Have a look at the WHO ratings of health care, maybe.
Join the real world and leave FOXNews behind.
dossthane 2 years ago
Wrong again. You mean every socialist country in the world. and yeah they are the laziest cowards of the world.
They are paded less and taxed higher. They work for their governments and not for themselves.
Pretty much fat lazy ass bums of the world.
LOL your the one that don't even know who is over WHO.
Sorry I'll not give up my freedom that easy.
So heer, I'm more than willing to die to keep socialism out of the USA. Question is, are you more than willing to die for socialism?
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
So every country in the world is socialist except the US?
FishOn0408 2 years ago
It was said "every industrial democracy" not every. Every country isn't a industrial democracy . but every industrial democracy is no more than a socialist country.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
Die for socialism? No. Die for the well being of humanity represented by a libertarian socialist society? Yes.
ipwnorcs 2 years ago 2
OK so be it, you are more than willing to lay your life on the line for communism and socialism.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
As Monty Python would say, "That's not argument; that's just contradiction!" If you mean that every industrial democracy other than the US is socialist, there's not even any disagreement. I see in other comments by you that you believe individuals buy their own insurance, ignoring that US businesses pay 3/4 of the cost for employees they cover. While you blather, US business operates at a disadvantage; employees get lower wages; and people die. You really should develop a sense of shame.
dossthane 2 years ago 2
"employees get lower wages"
when i started out at 13 I was making $2.15 an hour. Now minimum wage allow is up to $7.25. looks to me people are getting payed more, not less.
and people die everyday since the dawn of man. That's something we can't stop.
get use to it now that one day we all will be dead.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
1st, your argument's a red herring--the $2.15 would've been higher if the company wasn't paying for health insurance then (company ins. is an innovation of the '40s and '50s, not the '00s). 2nd, you're just wrong. Look at minimum wage at Wikipedia's: note the 2009 equivalent dollar amount corresponding to your $2.15. It's just below nine bucks, so in real dollars, you're down a buck 'n' a half an hour. You are not for people and not for business and not for America--MRSTANDFORINSURANCECOMPANIES.
dossthane 2 years ago
Your interpretation of WHO's site is interesting. Somehow you missed all the stuff about life expectancy, healthy life expectancy, infant mortality, maternal mortality, and so on, and you concluded that amount spent on health care is the only basis for WHO assessments? Crazy, man! (Just wildly wrong, too.) Ya know, people in the US work more hours per year and die sooner than in other industrial democracies (those Euro countries, Japan, etc.). That's freedom? Isn't time off from work better?
dossthane 2 years ago
I'm not missing a thing. WHO is ran by the UN. and 7/8th of UN are no more than 3rd world countries. the less the USA gives to the UN, the worst these 3rd world countries fall. So to hell with the UN and the WHO. That just want to line their pockets with US tax dollars.
it's funny to see reports of these 3rd world coutris working 16 hours aday and for what, enough to buy a loaf of bread.
that's not freedom, that's called working for the state.
Keep it we don't want it.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
That's the spirit! "If the statistics don't say what I'd like 'em to say, I'll just blather along about stuff that doesn't affect them and them declare them wrong. After all, it's gotta be the statistics that are wrong--I couldn't be wrong!" If your doctor ever diagnoses you with anything serious, I'm sure you'll just argue the disease out of your system--right up to the moment when it kills you because it doesn't care how deeply in denial of reality you are!
dossthane 2 years ago
it's not that I don't like the statistics, it's that know the UN and how all their statistics have been proven wrong everytime they have posted any.
So without the statistics lets just say you're just one of those lazy peopole taht wants me and the rest of the nation to pay youir heathcare. No thanks buy your on damn healthcare.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
As the saying goes, "It's not so much what you don't know that causes trouble, but rather the things you 'know' that just ain't so." No doubt by "Buy your on" you mean "Hope your job covers 75% and gets a group rate, and pay the other 25% yourself." Look, you can go on being ignorant forever, but the policies you support cause real damage to lots and lots of Americans who, despite your misanthropy, have done nothing to deserve the suffering. If you won't face that, you won't, though. Stay blind.
dossthane 2 years ago
LOL my mom work with him before, shes in real estate. and he is a crook, he totally fuck the law firm she works for
lol he is so corrupt and i know him personally.
stats are what they are, and all show america is behind in healthcare in almost every way possible. wake up
i hope you never get medicare or else you would be a hypocrite
which one of there statistics have been proven wrong
and do you have insurance
thesparitan 2 years ago
by the why that person my mom work with was johnny isakson he was in real estate sorry i didnt make that clear
but he is a crook, total crook. he fits right into congress
thesparitan 2 years ago
most of those countries are capitalist that have those working standards.
i think i europe as socialist as im sure you do. whats there standard of living compared with us.
thesparitan 2 years ago
"whats there standard of living compared with us."
3rd world. Just one grade above the worst country in Africa.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
my uncle, lives in britain. he is a millionaire. he is a executive for Diageo
you know the owners of johnny walker. and other fine whiskeys and beers. guiness also
he loves there healthcare even though he had the best and he doesnt want to come back to the us because healthcare cost him to much
have you ever been to europe and what do you do for a living and what kind of healthcare do you have
thesparitan 2 years ago
LOL i'm no where close to beinga millionaire. but I can afford $8000 a year. if he can't afford $8000 a year and make more than me., he is just another bum. and yeah there are rich bums to. greedy bastards. Sitting on money but always have their hands in other peoples pockets.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
name just one country with private healthcare system only that works great.
i'll wait
thesparitan 2 years ago
LOL you 're in it son, you are in it.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
really ok great thank you
now we are the country with the hghest bankruptcy from medical cost in the world. we have poorer general care then most of the first world. we are the only first world nation without universal healthcare, we have the highest uninsured in the world. we have the highest costs for healthcare in the world but have = or worse out comes .
tell me what is so great about this system and if its so good why does no one else other then myanmar, and a few more.
thesparitan 2 years ago
Well you got part of it right, we are a 1st world country. All the others are 2nd and 3rd world countries.
And you dare try and compare the 330mil to small 37million and less countries. Not to bright are you.
And the #1 cause of bankruptcy is over extended credit card. home loans people could pay for in the first place and loss of jobs.
Guess you're not the brightest bult in the socket.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
ok prove what you just said
thesparitan 2 years ago
You are a perfect example for how messed up the education system is. The only first world country?????? You are clearly delusional. Google "First World" and get your facts straight!
1029blue 2 years ago
im not bright LOLOL
you just said you think we are the only first world nation. look you're clearly not of sound mind, you want to just let this go. i see there is no reasoning with you.
you are saying things that are just weird
thesparitan 2 years ago
hahahahahahahahaha!!!! great comment... No it isn't! Yes it is!
LongcatBrodzky 2 years ago
MrSTANDFORAMERICA-Repeating the rhetoric of right wing hate mongers does not serve you well. You should take a few moments and take a look at ALL of the developed nations of the world who provide comprehensive healthcare for their citizens.You also may want to learn the difference between social programs and communism. The scare tactics of the right wing have little to do with facts and more to do with manipulating the naive. Social security didn't make us a communist nation.Stop being a tool.
urparanoia 2 years ago 2
Oh yeah if I get cancer Jesus as my savior will come and rescue me from the insurance companies cutting me off because of my "pre-existing" condition Get real dude, Or wait better yet if I take the lord into my heart and repent my heathen ways I will never get sick, and I wont ever get the evil cancer. I bet your one of those twisted fucks who think that abortion causes breast cancer.
heavenleestar 2 years ago
You should send all the tag lines to CIGNA, the hypocritical SOBs. The same goes for the rest of their profit-raking cohorts.
halhenkel 2 years ago 6
Well, Obama says "pop a pain pill".
zzx2847 2 years ago
finally you guys got partnered, maybe now you'll stop asking for my money
omgimgfut 2 years ago
yeah cause christians never get sick or die...oh wait, uh nevermind.
hookiovino 2 years ago
now that is comedy
DavosLogos 2 years ago
Of course the wars will never end. There's no money in peace.
maximusdecimus888 2 years ago 3
A taste of martial law in America, please watch /watch?v=MeyTLs5ayVo
This truly saddens me to see this happen in my country.
PS: There are natural cures for cancer that our medical industry doesn't want you to know about, like apricot seeds. look it up!
ArgosSmith2009 2 years ago
alright michael moore
ToLazyToEdit 2 years ago
great ad
captcrais101 2 years ago
If ANYONE has a good argument in favor of private healthcare industries keeping their bloodthirsty profits I'd love to hear it. There is absolutely NO plausible defense against producing a public option so long as that government option is deficit neutral or minimally expensive.
scbluesman13 2 years ago 6
Most Americans don't realize that our country is being used by corporations in a gigantic ponzi scheme. Wall street isn't the only place for this. Think about it, most corporations pay the top executives huge salaries and as you reach the bottom of the company the money gets smaller and the work gets harder. Even the average shareholder gets a small amount on their investment if any at all. Win or lose the top people never lose money while the ones near the bottom lose all of the time.
aureliusdark 2 years ago 7
At what point did Americans start not wanting a choice? When did we start allowing big business to tell us what to do. Why are we getting sick and dying to line thier pockets with gold? And I'm tired of these congressmen/woman voting for what is good for them.(more money in thier pockets from the insurance companys) They have been bought and sold.!! And they have health insurance. If they vote no on healthcare for us then they should have to go without too!
seachell2 2 years ago 5
"fuck you, I'm rich!"
themarycity 2 years ago
and stupid
gemrdeverling 2 years ago
I am Canadian, Everyone up here has is covered under our government health care system. It works. When it comes to health care Capitalism = Death.
copcorona 2 years ago 5
Life expectancy & infant mortality -- so much better reports from others countries WITH UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE.
DillonX 2 years ago 4
Some fool asked "how to pay for it"? Obviously--(as I wrote back)--TAX THE 1% RICH WHO OWN 95% OF THIS COUNTRY'S ASSETS, WHO'VE TAKEN OUR MONEY FOR YEARS, AND WHO PAY NO TAXES--WHILE YOU AND I DO!
UNLESS, OF COURSE , YOU'RE ONE OF THE 1%. IF YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE AN ALL-DAY SUCKER.
bongobimbo 2 years ago 7
Sign me up for Cigna!
ChuckyJesus666 2 years ago
Health care costs money, What's your plan to pay for it?
Silveracity 2 years ago
Let's start with a Tobin Tax, i.e., essentially a sales tax of a fraction of a cent on financial transactions, e.g., trading of stocks, bonds, derivitives, indexes, etc. This could raise trillions of dollars while simultaneously stabilizing the markets by reducing volatility and reducing speculation.
Peace,
Herb Hoffman
herbmila 2 years ago 3
I'm not for any tax increase, i'd like to see less taxes, and if someone wants to speculate, they have the chance of loss. But thanks for the comment
Silveracity 2 years ago
reply Silveracity Oh I don't know how about end the war on pot. Save 50 Billion. That gets you half way there. Then get back all the cash wasted on Tarp. that would give Americans health care for 14 years.
copcorona 2 years ago 2
Don't just end the war on drugs, try ending all war. Good luck with that. People want war, if they didn't want it, it would go away. As far as the tarp, that was wasted money, but most people don't care to do anything about it.
Silveracity 2 years ago
Well done, so sad, but so true.
kkelly68 2 years ago
ha! well done
marniespeaks 2 years ago
...And to comment specifically on the video, I think "Coverage to Die For" is very memorable, but all of the tags are pertinent and very good.
Sign it all over to Cigna... Then go away, and don't bother us.
GuinnevereB 2 years ago 2
Someone said, "democracy is two wolves and one sheep voting on what's for dinner." Our system was set up as a Republic, where everyone has rights, not just the group with the most votes (or the loudest voices). And Capitalism is actually the state religion, whose dogma is that the rich deserve their wealth and the poor deserve to suffer. Personally, I put people before profits, and I seem to recall that Jesus said a camel can pass through the eye of a needle easier than a rich man into Heaven.
GuinnevereB 2 years ago 4
The "Bend Over" ending sucked. The rest is good.
Solpwr 2 years ago
coverage to die for is my favorite
cod4boy45 2 years ago 3
Last month Cigna denied me surgery to reapair a torn meniscus. Said the damage wasn't bad enough to warrent the cost. I asked if I was just supposed to walk around (in pain) on it until it DID warrent the cost? Their agent had no answer for that question!
SFbigcelt 2 years ago 5
hahaha that ad was great
DavesMx6 2 years ago 2
In Canada everyone is covered. No one goes broke paying for healthcare. No one dies because they have been dumped by their insurance company. Yay Canada
copcorona 2 years ago 8
Right in one. That is the reason why I LAUD Canada, because they have realized that NO ONE, no matter how much they are bashed on by other people for their person choices, deserves to go bankrupt or DIE for lack of healthcare.
Leria00001 2 years ago 6
the american healthcare system just seems diisgusting to the rest of the world. We in Britain receive fantastic state care that we do not pay for anything more than the basic cost, no profits requred. Aren't you at about the Cuba/Slovakia area of the world list of best healthcare providers?
WinduWarrior 2 years ago 7
I don't remember about Slovakia, but going by "Sicko!" poverty-ridden Cuba has health care
that's available to everyone in the country. It might not be fancy and shiny, but it takes care of people when they need it, and it doesn't cover rich people lavishly while sending the poor away to die because it's too costly to be "worthwhile" to treat them. That makes it superior in my estimation, to the evil, broken system we have here in the USA. We rank below Cuba in citizen health, don't we?
GuinnevereB 2 years ago 4
"We rank below Cuba in citizen health, don't we?"
Pretty close to par, actually, but Cuba does a much better overall job. The US, a couple years ago, ranked 43rd in the world on the World Health Organizations list of overall quality of care. The latest list put us at about 40th. It's not that we got better, its that other places got worse. We rank approx. 11th in infant mortality too. We DO have the most expensive "health care" on the planet, though. Maybe that counts for something...
5ockpuppet5fromhe11 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Was just at the WHO site. They base the healthcare on how much a country spends on their GDP. Not the quality of care. The WHO says if they based it upon the quality of care, the USA would be #1.
I don't care if the US spent 90% of the GDP on healthcare. It's still the best healthcare on earth.
So you euro's get in line and maybe you'll see a doctor today.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
Yeah if you happen to be lucky enough to be able to get health-care insurance. If not, get in line behind all the illegal immigrants in the emergency rooms. Thats if there's any that haven't closed by now.
RenoRaider 2 years ago
Your comment is total crap. The WHO rates the US as 37th in quality, BUT first in cost. Quality is, in fact, derived from several different measures, including accessbility, infant mortality, length of life, etc etc. I suggest that you get your facts straight instead of being a mindless ideologue.
MrDeke1969 2 years ago
"The WHO says if they based it upon the quality of care, the USA would be #1."
Yah! Go USA!, Go USA!, Go USA!
THAT IS GREAT NEWS FOR 85% OF US!
TylerNutify 2 years ago
"I don't care if the US spent 90% of the GDP on healthcare."
YES! Lets become the healthcare nation of the world.!
Who needs IPOD, cars, homes, or food when we are all on Prozac!
TylerNutify 2 years ago
You got that part right. The i-pods,x-box,4 cars,boats,summer lake house, ect... all on credit and then whine about they can't afford heathcare. Lets all live beyond our means.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
I was quoted $3,500 per month to insure myself and my husband. Could you afford that much a month? And if you can't, does it mean that you are living beyond your means????? Expand your mind.
gemrdeverling 2 years ago 4
MrSTANDFORAMERICA ... Can I rent your summer lake house..... I need a place to trash
TylerNutify 2 years ago
YOU LIE
/sarcasm
mikeye9 2 years ago
Sickna
Textynn 2 years ago
I have Cigna. One time we got a bill from my pediatrician for a well child visit. Those visits are supposed to be %100 covered. So I call Cigna and ask why they denied payment, they told me that she was only eligible for 9 well child visits before age 2. I asked them how many WC visits we had used. He told me 6. So I said well then isn't the visit covered? He said yes, it should be, I'll resubmit it. They deny things like this all the time, just to see if they can get me to pay instead of them.
moragami 2 years ago 4
CIGNA, the real DEATH PANEL
wayindie 2 years ago 4
I hate the way some people argue on comments pages. Its accomplishes nothing.
Ozarkmadness56 2 years ago
If you have a disease before you make a claim, it's pre-existing. Sorry, denied.
pabobfin 2 years ago
dear dethtongue,
hope that approach to healthcare works out for you, but you really need to look at actual data. Not everyone who gets sick eats poorly and is ignorant of physiology. Nice illusion though.
medeapoetica 2 years ago 4
Happens, everyday. You get sick & need to go to ER. You get there & they ask you for your insurance card. info over priority of WHY you are there. You say, I do not have insurance because I lost my job. You go to sit down in the waiting room & sit there, a half-hour. Someone walks in with insurance, gives the medical worker their ins info & sit down next to you. The person that just sat down has their name called. They get up & they are being seen. You are still sitting there. HELLO!!!
genechick 2 years ago 2
I had CIGNA for about 10 years during the '90's.....I didn't have a problem. What is YOUR problem?
HEYBUDD 2 years ago
well I'm sure there is a couple people they took care of. You're among the lucky ones. Did you ever have a serious health problem? My uncle in 1993 got diagnosed with cancer (that was not a pre-existing condition) and was put on a waiting list and pushed aside with red tape for almost three years after the diagnostic. Then they dropped him for some kind of "paper error" that fuddled up their records and therefore made the legitimacy of his claim void. So there's CIGNA as I know it.
ZJSC 2 years ago 4
The video needs work if you are going to run it anywhere. I don't pay a whole lot of attention to these ads and something that moves too fast like this does (and using a lousy font) it makes it too much effort to follow; to do this you need a serious hook at the beginning or just to slow it down.
bussdriver 2 years ago
agreed
freegadflyathome 2 years ago
Let the millionaire congress have the same crapola coverage we have to suffer through, and PAY for it. Single payer is the only way to go
meriadotnet
meria 2 years ago
TERM LIMITS ON CONGRESS
Cancel their insurance, cut their pay and stop their automatic pay increases each year. Stop their pension plan dead. Things would change fast.
TheAerialbomb 2 years ago 6
@greytabbysfriend you are right that insurance companies have to maximize profit, which is why health is not a proper subject of the for