As Seymour Dunn has been quoted so many times--never confuse something that happens in your swing (all those support mechanisms, when you're focusing on a true swinging motion) with something you have to "do," or try to do. I'll bet you didn't the last time you tried to throw a ball a long way.
What so many "modern" theorists don't get is that without a true swinging motion, all the pushing and shoving and forced rotation, etc., are like (as Kostis said in his excellent Inside Path to Better Golf, before he became a TV announcer beholden to every guru) stomping on the accelerator without getting out of first gear--huge application of blind power, but nothing to translate it into the whole point of the motion.
I went to the website which sells the book for $27 but when I Google, it says the book is out of copyright and should be free? Also there are websites that have the entire book to view for free as it's out of copyright, so make sure you have a look around.
couple points: one, best way to learn Ernest Jones' method is to learn how to hit balls with the feet together, as close as possible, or even, as Jones discovered, hit balls on one leg. this forces you to swing the club centrifugally. two, de la Torre does not teach the Ernest Jones method - he teaches a swinging movement in the backswing, but says that the arms swing the entire club forward for the forward swing. this method may impede centrifugal force, unless you understand it.
De la Torre certainly thinks he's right down Jones's alley and cites him as a huge influence. You probably know this already, from what you say in your post, but the point of swinging the arms forward is so you don't throw the hands with the butt of the club moving backward at impact (what Jones called levering as opposed to swinging), and the thing that makes the swinging motion work while swingin arms forward is a light grip that lets the force be slung out into the clubhead.
I have always believed that by hitting a millions wedge shots that you can do three things 1. timing 2. wedge game 3. confidence with your full swing. Drop me a line if you ever need help with your game.
@bobbyeldridgegolftv Thank you very much! This swing is quite old and has developed further now. My mis-hits depend on what I do wrong. If I'm too quick from the top with my shoulders I slice, if my right arm straightens out too quick in the downswing I end up hooking with the inevitable and corresponding flip at the ball that closes the face. A disastrous combination of both is fore left and going further left! Tee hee.
@Noallegiance I have been an Ernest Jones fan for many years. I have read and (have a copy of every word he has ever written). I have always believed that the right arm has to straighten out in the downswing. If it hooks, then get your lower half out of the way quicker. You know how you get to the PGA Tour? Hit 10,000 wedges.
@bobbyeldridgegolftv not too sure what the wedges comment has reference to, but I'll address the right arm. IMO most people straighten their right arm too early in the downswing. Of course, the right arm has to straighten, but it should still be bent after impact. If you're punching someone in the head like a boxer, you don't hit them as your arms straightens, you hit them with a bent arm and drive through the hit. I don't think too much about my lower half. It will do what's necessary.
Good looking swing but you clear hips very late in the swing. If you could pull your hips through impact you would see more distance and constancy. Try and feel the pull with the left side of your abs on your down swing. But all and all nice swing.
Talking about Golf grips, When you pick up a golf club your hands are the only part of your body that touch the club. For many years the hands (grip) have often been referred to as the steering wheel of the golf swing. I don’t believe this could be more true. Gripping the golf club correctly makes playing this game a much better experience. w w w (dot) golferbreak80 (dot) c0m
Very nice action Noallegiance18. Do you feel as though you are just swinging the "clubhead?" You stay in your posture very well. How did you accomplish this?
@johngolf33 sorry for the late reply. To me, I feel too much emphasis is made of the body-powered swing nowadays. Yes, it plays its part, but the swing is the marrying of two motions, the body turn and the arm swing. IMO, to say "the body powers the arms" is misleading. The body cannot of itself power the arms. The body and arms move in their own independant ways, and compliment each other. Posture is just balance. If posture is lost, you're off balance in some way and hence compensating.
Ernest Jones wrote "Swing into Golf" and "Swing The Clubhead". Your comment should be corrected. Todays the leading proponent of Ernest Jones' principles is 'Manuel de la Torre'. He has written the book "Understanding the Golf Swing" where he proposes the simple statement of 'swinging the club forward with your upper arms'. You can find a video of his swing in this site and many good reviews of his book.
where? i cant find it. im reading the book right now. im half done it, all its tlking about is the using of the hands and how the body will just react. having a hard time grasping that.
Awesome swing. Did you learn the swing just by reading Ernest Jones book "Golfs One Motion" or the Frankel Method which also teaches the Ernest Jones swing?
@dmcdmc1238 hey there. I just learned it by popping on to the Ernest Jones website and reading what was on there, then set about putting it into practice.
@emncaity hello mate. I hardly play nowadays. Life's changed a lot for me. I'm hoping to get back on it a bit more now. Watching The Open is fuelling the golfing desire again! Thanks for the nice comment.
Very nice info. Could you post the Ernest Jones swing in a front view? I am searching the internet to get that image. Maybe you know any place where I can download a video with the front view of Ernest Jones swing. Thanks in advance
I'm just massively encouraged that a young (or at least youngish) guy has any idea who Ernest Jones is--especially in the "Tiger Woods and Leadbetter invented golf" era!
Peter Kostis (whose teaching previously was based on a lineage back to Jones) said that when players who've been doing all that shoving and levering feel a true swinging motion for the first time, their reaction is, "God, I didn't even _hit_ that!"--because the power and accuracy in a true swing is always startling if you've been doing all that other crap. A true swing will show the rest of your body what to do; it causes good "positions" (if there is such a thing), not the other way around.
Ernest Jones was beyond brilliant, and this swing is a pretty nice representation of what he was talking about--free of the levering and pushing and body-shoving and position-oriented garbage taught today.
As Seymour Dunn has been quoted so many times--never confuse something that happens in your swing (all those support mechanisms, when you're focusing on a true swinging motion) with something you have to "do," or try to do. I'll bet you didn't the last time you tried to throw a ball a long way.
emncaity 7 months ago
What so many "modern" theorists don't get is that without a true swinging motion, all the pushing and shoving and forced rotation, etc., are like (as Kostis said in his excellent Inside Path to Better Golf, before he became a TV announcer beholden to every guru) stomping on the accelerator without getting out of first gear--huge application of blind power, but nothing to translate it into the whole point of the motion.
emncaity 7 months ago
I went to the website which sells the book for $27 but when I Google, it says the book is out of copyright and should be free? Also there are websites that have the entire book to view for free as it's out of copyright, so make sure you have a look around.
silowhore 7 months ago
@silowhore
Try interlibrary loan at your local library. With the right person facilitating it, it's like magic. Seriously.
emncaity 7 months ago
couple points: one, best way to learn Ernest Jones' method is to learn how to hit balls with the feet together, as close as possible, or even, as Jones discovered, hit balls on one leg. this forces you to swing the club centrifugally. two, de la Torre does not teach the Ernest Jones method - he teaches a swinging movement in the backswing, but says that the arms swing the entire club forward for the forward swing. this method may impede centrifugal force, unless you understand it.
sandwah9 11 months ago
@sandwah9
De la Torre certainly thinks he's right down Jones's alley and cites him as a huge influence. You probably know this already, from what you say in your post, but the point of swinging the arms forward is so you don't throw the hands with the butt of the club moving backward at impact (what Jones called levering as opposed to swinging), and the thing that makes the swinging motion work while swingin arms forward is a light grip that lets the force be slung out into the clubhead.
emncaity 7 months ago
I have always believed that by hitting a millions wedge shots that you can do three things 1. timing 2. wedge game 3. confidence with your full swing. Drop me a line if you ever need help with your game.
bobbyeldridgegolftv 1 year ago
I think you have a beautiful golf swing. When you struggle, what is the mishit? Do you hit hooks, pulls, etc.
bobbyeldridgegolftv 1 year ago
@bobbyeldridgegolftv Thank you very much! This swing is quite old and has developed further now. My mis-hits depend on what I do wrong. If I'm too quick from the top with my shoulders I slice, if my right arm straightens out too quick in the downswing I end up hooking with the inevitable and corresponding flip at the ball that closes the face. A disastrous combination of both is fore left and going further left! Tee hee.
Noallegiance 1 year ago
@Noallegiance I have been an Ernest Jones fan for many years. I have read and (have a copy of every word he has ever written). I have always believed that the right arm has to straighten out in the downswing. If it hooks, then get your lower half out of the way quicker. You know how you get to the PGA Tour? Hit 10,000 wedges.
bobbyeldridgegolftv 1 year ago
@bobbyeldridgegolftv not too sure what the wedges comment has reference to, but I'll address the right arm. IMO most people straighten their right arm too early in the downswing. Of course, the right arm has to straighten, but it should still be bent after impact. If you're punching someone in the head like a boxer, you don't hit them as your arms straightens, you hit them with a bent arm and drive through the hit. I don't think too much about my lower half. It will do what's necessary.
Noallegiance 1 year ago
good men, look my swing video
valend19 1 year ago
Nice swing. Outstanding release!
Inmotion70 1 year ago
@Inmotion70 cheers mate
Noallegiance 1 year ago
Good looking swing but you clear hips very late in the swing. If you could pull your hips through impact you would see more distance and constancy. Try and feel the pull with the left side of your abs on your down swing. But all and all nice swing.
aikensn 1 year ago
@aikensn thanks for the feedback
Noallegiance 1 year ago
Manuel De La Torre. 88 years old, still teaching golf.
90 percent of golf instructors have no clue.
keough82 1 year ago
@keough82 Incredible, isn't it? How the golf instruction industry is allowed to feed itself with the utter turd that most golf instructors spout.
Noallegiance18 1 year ago
@Noallegiance18
One hundred percent true.
emncaity 7 months ago
Talking about Golf grips, When you pick up a golf club your hands are the only part of your body that touch the club. For many years the hands (grip) have often been referred to as the steering wheel of the golf swing. I don’t believe this could be more true. Gripping the golf club correctly makes playing this game a much better experience. w w w (dot) golferbreak80 (dot) c0m
grace4496 2 years ago
Very nice action Noallegiance18. Do you feel as though you are just swinging the "clubhead?" You stay in your posture very well. How did you accomplish this?
John
johngolf33 2 years ago
@johngolf33 sorry for the late reply. To me, I feel too much emphasis is made of the body-powered swing nowadays. Yes, it plays its part, but the swing is the marrying of two motions, the body turn and the arm swing. IMO, to say "the body powers the arms" is misleading. The body cannot of itself power the arms. The body and arms move in their own independant ways, and compliment each other. Posture is just balance. If posture is lost, you're off balance in some way and hence compensating.
Noallegiance 1 year ago
That's one of the best golf swings I've ever seen. And I've been playing for 18 years so I've seen A LOT!!!
Discodwill 3 years ago
Thank you.
Noallegiance18 2 years ago
Don't ever get rid of this motion. And how the hell do you have only a 5 handicap? Go work on your short game! ;-)
emncaity 3 years ago
Ernest Jones wrote "Swing into Golf" and "Swing The Clubhead". Your comment should be corrected. Todays the leading proponent of Ernest Jones' principles is 'Manuel de la Torre'. He has written the book "Understanding the Golf Swing" where he proposes the simple statement of 'swinging the club forward with your upper arms'. You can find a video of his swing in this site and many good reviews of his book.
hanon1492 3 years ago
where? i cant find it. im reading the book right now. im half done it, all its tlking about is the using of the hands and how the body will just react. having a hard time grasping that.
DE3TS20KH29KB5 2 years ago
I have posted a video of Manuel de la Torre here in Youtube. Search by my username. All those books can be bought via online book stores
hanon1492 2 years ago
Awesome swing. Did you learn the swing just by reading Ernest Jones book "Golfs One Motion" or the Frankel Method which also teaches the Ernest Jones swing?
dmcdmc1238 3 years ago
@dmcdmc1238 hey there. I just learned it by popping on to the Ernest Jones website and reading what was on there, then set about putting it into practice.
Noallegiance18 1 year ago
@Noallegiance18
Have you read his books yet? And I'm just wondering--how are you playing these days? It really is just a beautiful back-to-basics swing.
emncaity 7 months ago
@emncaity hello mate. I hardly play nowadays. Life's changed a lot for me. I'm hoping to get back on it a bit more now. Watching The Open is fuelling the golfing desire again! Thanks for the nice comment.
Noallegiance 7 months ago
@Noallegiance
Well, you certainly shouldn't let that good motion go to waste if you can help it. Not everybody can do that. ;-)
emncaity 4 months ago
Very nice info. Could you post the Ernest Jones swing in a front view? I am searching the internet to get that image. Maybe you know any place where I can download a video with the front view of Ernest Jones swing. Thanks in advance
hanon1492 3 years ago
nicee swing, looks a bit like retief goosens swing, pherhaps thats what you are looking to do? hot swing anyway. Handicap if i may ask?
andreas86an 4 years ago
Thanks very much!
Yeah I guess it was a bit Goose-like.
H'cp is currently 5.
Noallegiance18 4 years ago
I'm just massively encouraged that a young (or at least youngish) guy has any idea who Ernest Jones is--especially in the "Tiger Woods and Leadbetter invented golf" era!
emncaity 4 years ago
Peter Kostis (whose teaching previously was based on a lineage back to Jones) said that when players who've been doing all that shoving and levering feel a true swinging motion for the first time, their reaction is, "God, I didn't even _hit_ that!"--because the power and accuracy in a true swing is always startling if you've been doing all that other crap. A true swing will show the rest of your body what to do; it causes good "positions" (if there is such a thing), not the other way around.
emncaity 4 years ago
Ernest Jones was beyond brilliant, and this swing is a pretty nice representation of what he was talking about--free of the levering and pushing and body-shoving and position-oriented garbage taught today.
emncaity 4 years ago
Nice pure swing. Ernest knew what he was talking about.
jelqer 4 years ago