i'm glad i'm from a country that puts charles darwin on our currency and not some character with as much credibility as a sabre-toothed ostrich that cleans homes for a living using only a small wooden spoon.
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS NOT IN ANY SENSE FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." (Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11: Written during the Administration of George Washington and signed into law by John Adams.)
That doesn't mean a thing, first off as someone here pointed out, God, the symbol of God as been used by those with other intentions or other motives. Second, what god are we talking about here, you do know that Satan is the 'god' of this world right? So I wouldn't trust this government saying they believed in the same god that I do.
@muddhole777 there is no one god of this world, considering the tens of thousands of religions in it, most of which think they are right and the one true religion.
I would like to thank George Washington for fighting for our freedom against King James Middle Eastern Abrahamic Spaghetti Monster which is not the word of God. Sincerely one Free Secular Nation above all Religious theocracy, as a free American I refuse to be forced to bow to a dead Middle Eastern man who has been elected to be my New God and who I would not trust my money with which is based on blind faith for a fool.
Thomas "Tom" Paine (February 9, 1737 [O.S. January 29, 1736[1]] -- June 8, 1809) was one of the Founding Fathers of the United States. He became notorious because of The Age of Reason (1793--94), his book that advocates deism, promotes reason and freethinking, argues against institutionalized religion and Christian doctrines.
I find it interesting how xians try and claim the "god we trust" thing on money. There aren't any xian symbols or anything of their god on money. The only deity that has made her way onto our currency is the Goddess Libertas. Aka Lady Liberty. LOL gotta love stupid people!
So when did they start printing "In God we trust"? Also I know supposedly they didn't put the phrase in our pledges until after the 1950s. What happened?
God's name actually isn't on the currency. Besides, I don't think the true Christians or even Jews EVER put any pagan symbols such as the Eye of Horus next to anything. Now ppl say the early Christians did..I choose not to believe that as the scripture is preatty strict about that, and one couldn't call himself Christian if he did.. So weather it's really freemason or not, it's not the God of the Christians it's implying..it's a different God. as in, what they worship. Lucifer. Giver of light.
Theodore Roosevelt said "to put such a motto on coins... comes dangerously close to sacrilege". If anything, religious people should oppose the use of God's name on currency. My opinion anyway.
It's my opinion that Jesus Christ is not a religion...He is the way. I follow Christ the best I can. If anyone decides not to follow Him that is there right.....rock and roll brother have a good life.
Why don't you just tell people what you believe. Do you believe and trust in Satan or do you believe in trust in God. A government should be a refection of what people believe. Who do you believe and trust in God or the Devil?
I'm 15 years old, I studied religion and politic this past year when I became an athiest.
In God We Trust was added in 1957 when the first prints of the bill were made, but the actuall legislation that passed the addition of the words was in 1954 or 1955, something around there.
thats "your" opinion.....this is just like what nazis said about the jews, or what the KKK used to say about Catholics and blacks........etc. You are just another one of "them"
George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, Etc. were not Christians. This is a shock to most Christians but it is the truth. As Annie Savoy said in the great movie Bull Durham, "You could look it up"
I am not sure what this lady is trying to say but "in god we trust" has been on coins since the civil war.....I believe the first one was a circa 1864 2 cent piece
originally "In God We Trust" was introduced on currency produced in the 1860's by The Second Bank of the United States. Later Andrew "Old Hickory" Jackson withdrew the bank's charter while referring to it's private owners and board of directors as "a den of vipers and thieves".
In 1913, Congress passed the Federal Reserve Act (The Third "Privately Owned" Central Banking "Cartel")
Do you know that whilst the USA has In God We Trust' on it's bank notes, over here in England all notes have Queen Elizabeth II on one side and on the back an important British historical figure. And guess whose on the back of the English £10.00 note? CHARLES DARWIN. Total win there. You really should be over here, mate! You'd fit right in! (P.S. The knowledge of that always makes me laugh)
Yeah, buddy, I'm not sure it's that much more enlightened to have a monarch on your money (or to still have a monarch at all, for that matter). Also, as an American, none of my tax dollars go to an established church.
The whole "in God we trust" on dollars and "under God" in the pledge, was added during the 50s mainly do to the red scare. Try and separate us as far as we can from the USSR.
Well, some currency started getting printed with the phrase in 1864... it was only made an act of congress in the '50s. The pledge insertion was lobbied by the Knights of Columbus, a catholic group.
to spikeincorporated: you have no idea what you are talking about. In God We Trust was put on the US TWO CENT PIECE in the 1860s......not the 1950s......
you do realize that our founding fathers said that if this nation strays from God it will fall. You do realize that our founding fathers were not retarded.
you do realize that our founding fathers were pro slavery. you do realize that our founding fathers were not retarted. ...
-yes i realize they weren't retarted. but just because they were the founding fathers of the US doesn't mean we have to agree with all their philosophies. (i.e. slavery) it doesn;t matter wut important ppl thought. it has to make sence to u. and i happen to think that straining from god will only do a country good.
so r u saying that its in a recession b/c its been straining from god? oh no, i can only imagine what horrors society will face once we become completely secular! ... or maybe we wount face any horrors, seing how the US is doing just fine even though it doesnt worship any of the other hundrends of deities made up by ppl in other countires/times. that leads me to believe that straining from one more will not do us any harm.
r u saying that our economy dropping from 13,000 to 8,000 is fine? besides I know US is going to be destroyed and when it is you'll be like oh that one guy on the internet said this but whatever.
no thats not fine but just because we happen 2 b straining from god @ the same time (although idk how u can measure that, maybe by the increasing # of atheists) as the economy is falling doesnt suggest a cause & effect. its just a corelation. and ok, congrats about ur "knowledge" that the US will b destroyed. i can't predict the future but if by destroyed u mean by god, then ur probably wrong, coz that idea comes from a book written a long time ago by ppl who knew nothing about the future either
and actually the separation of church and state is so the government can't come in and say "hey you can't sing christmas carols here" or "you can't have a menorah here"
but instead that is exactly what they are doing. using the law the opposite way, making people take god out of there lives.
Interesting thing, "In God we trust" suddenly made its appearance into our money right after the gold and silver standard were eliminated. I believe in God dont get me wrong but I think this was more of a subliminal message to get all the ppl content in a way with the new worthless paper money, a sort of subconscious message to our brains saying that this paper is ok in my opinion when it isnt. They r using God for their own agenda and benefits, I think this is derisory.
well thats where you are wrong.....you can "say" it's not a christian nation but all the founding fathers were christian, the first pilgrims that came from England were christian and all our US Presidents have been christian.....plus with over a thousand christian illegal mexicans entering the US (per day) we are becoming "more" christian than ever.
Apparently you do not understand the intent of the First amendment. The separation of church and state, as -the very first- priority of our government, is based in the eglatarian writings of Roger Williams, founder of Rhode Island.
The founding fathers, the influential (framers) of which were Deists, crafted this amendment specifically to ensure the rights of the minority. It is there to bar theocracy and religious popularity from running the show. It is rather secular in intent.
The nation is full of Christains nowadays. Nobody denies this. History is a different matter. Leave it unto history books and historians.
The ones I have conversed with on the issue tend to perceive religious arrogation of the USA's history, based on what we actually know about the founding of the nation. Jefferson, Paine, Adams, Franklin, etc valued reason above all else. They would likely be ignored / disassociated from Christianity today were it not for their historical influence / stature.
...and no, I am not an atheist. I am not defending some atheistic point of view. I'm merely providing the historical perspective I have, in being so interested in the topic myself.
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord"
here's a fun fact, britain has like 5 different 10 pound notes and one of them has a picture of Charles Darwin on it....and none of them have god on it.
Don't understand this one...Are you saying it's God's fault that things are going under? Who cares if the currency says one nation under God? Why should that even be of any relavence? Were not one nation under God. That's why were are falling into despotism and tyranny. Those of you who are non-believers in Jesus Christ...why do you choose to attack this one thing rather than the fact we've sqaunderd the nation due to hubris, greed and immorality, a state of mind that goes against God.
From an external point of view (I am English), I would hazard a guess that its because church and state are required to remain separate explicitly by the US constitution and putting that on the money (and in the declaration thing) is unconstitutional.
It actully deviates from the point of my argument but since you brought it up there is no express clause in the U.S. Constitution which requires separation of church and state. That is an age old argument based upon an unofficial set of documents known as the Federalist Papers written primarily by Alexander Hamilton.
It actully deviates from the point of my argument but since you brought it up there is no express clause in the U.S. Constitution which requires separation of church and state. That is an age old argument based upon an unofficial set of documents known as the Federalist Papers written primarily by Alexander Hamilton.
WWI and II Soldiers fought and died for our Constitution and freedoms, and then "God" gets added to all currency, and "Under God" gets added to the Pledge.
It's a slap in the face to our Country and the people who gave everything to uphold our rights and freedoms.
why are you xstians so god damned uneducated? Truth doesn't matter as long as it supports your little god? The words weren't there until 1957. We became a country in 1776. Flunk any math classes????
Last I recall we founded on secularism... Funny how the treaty of Tripoli reflects that?
IT MUST BE PROPERGANDA!!!
properganda is showing one side of the argument so please enlighten us Pete, lets hear why our goverment is actually a christian nation despite what the constitution says :)
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u guys are kinda dumb, the constitution talks about a higher power, it says thats where all of are rights come from, our creator not man or the gov't. just because there is separation of church and state doesnt mean there cant be in spritual references in the gov't at all
duosythe. i am afraid you are quite mistaken. the declaration of independence refers to a creator, but NOWHERE in the constitution does it say God, creator, or higher power. the constitution is the legal framework of the country.
ok im the dumb one my mistake, but it does still seem that our gov't at one point was religiously oriented. i mean the prez is still sworn in on the bible. and the dec of independence does mention "God" im not saying we still should but it was there at that time
Thank you!! i say that all the time . and we added 'Under god" to the pledge of allegiance in the 50s. IT SHOULD BE THERE AND IT SHOULDNT BE ON OUR MONEY. The government is supposed to be religiously neutral yet they have this on there. ridiculous.
This is probably dumb to say to most of you, but I wish with everything inside of me that this whole country believed in God. Wouldn't we be better off if it were that way?
Thanks. Much of it pivots on interpretation. One example, he says that he is not getting rid of hebrew law, so the barbaric rules and rituals of the old testiment are still valid. And some of the stories such as the "he with out sin throw the first stone" didn't even appear in the bible until the middle ages. Even the turn the other cheek can be interpreted far from benevolent.
actually the quote says he has not coming to abolish BUT TO FULFILL and as we all know once a contract has been fulfilled it is put aside... now go to sleep it is late and i am tired
yes they try to interpret the bible using the vernacular of the times so it is often interpreted differently at different times. the good news is a good majority of the biblical scrolls are intact and have been scanned. In fact a recent check of the scrolls regarding the number of the beast found that a smudge changed the number, the original number is 616.
I'm completely with you on that. As for the 616; I've heard of that. But I think it was only in one of the scrolls. I'm apt to think that it was miscopy because other areas such as solomon use 666 for the talents of gold and I believe other copies have it as 666. However, it would be interesting to see. Are they avaliable online?
Just so you know. I am an atheist but I have mixed feelings about church's tax exempt status. I do understand why they are, but I feel they should be exempt for a completely different reason than their church status which would make it more fair for secular organizations doing similar work that currently do not have the same advantages.
I agree with you there. It also strengthens the church and changes it from a liability to an asset. One church in my area is very progressive in that way. They lease half of their church to a secular school. It compelely takes the wind out of the opposition.
AND... no court decides a case based on what religion you are nor are you denied andy protection under they law or benefit from the GOV because you are not a Methodist
When the president says " i will appoint people of faith to the supreme court" theres no doubt in my mind that its for his personal religious goals. And thats still his right but many things are done in such a way from that point on that i think are immoral. It seems like all of it should be compatable but i dont think it is considering what people believe about morals in religion.
Im just saying that when god is included in gov or courts it has the power to create a very maladaptive environment for morality and survival. So even though its thier right i dont agree with it.
When God is left out it has the potential to create an environment where maladaptive morality runs rampant. Without some base then relativism runs wild,,,, everything is permissable
The base is common sense. I dont believe in god and I have moral fiber. Morality is about aleviating pain and inducing happiness. Love and understanding mixed with a little reason. Look up sam harris on youtube he can word this better than i can. Or just read his books: the end of faith and letter to a christian nation.
Charity is about helping people with pain and suffering. Morality is a system or moral conduct. Principals or rules of conduct, conformity to human conduct.
Whoa! Conformity to human conduct is not morality automaticaly. Just because its the majority doesnt make it moral. why do we need religion to teach right and wrong? I fail to see where relgion is consistant at all when it comes to morals.
What was not moral 20 years ago is today viewed by many as moral. Christians should should be talking about Holiness.. what is right in front of God - (read that as Jesus Christ)
and conformity means to conform to the norm... which is different in every culture..or do YOU and your ILK get to decide morals for everybody
Its safe to assume that murdering, raping and the like arent moral. I can read jesus sermons on the mount and try and live by that andnot have to believe in that whole religion. You wanna talk deciding morals for everyone? How about the follwing......
Catholics discourage safe sex in africa hence the spread of aids and unwanted pregnancy. Honor killings in the muslim faith. The demand for intel design in science class (its not science). Oh and dont forget all the judaic religions say if your not BLANK your wrong and going to burn in hell. And there are good reasons for theses practices in religion cause the books support it. God says luv me or suffer for eternity...if thats holyness i am not impressed
ucanbegod, please catholics promote "no sex" before marriage, I can not speak for muslims, I am not one. Intel design...wow alot of very intelligent people see some potential for it. So would you only allow people to believe as you believe
I dont, i think its fine to teach intel design but not in science class and it should be optional. Besides what would the class be like? Ok students remember all that stuff you were taught in science class?...well god did it.
No sex before marrage is like, "Just Hold it Potty training" - Roy Zimmerman. I have no problem with people that want to not have sex before marriage, but for those that don't should not be TRAINED NOT to USE a CONDOM. That is just irresponsible and should be considered mental abuse.
well since morals change every 20 years who is really to say what is moral. we can all make judgements on what is moral, since in your morality there is really no hard and fast rules. you may base it on what is best for the majority, others may think that the 10 Commandments, what was "moral" in 1776, 1876, 1976 and today are much different
sexual disease comes about through sex.. if you only had sex with one person your whole life and that was your spouse... you would never get one (unless it was through a blood transfusion, etc)
well we would have less of a welfare state if it was closer to biblical morals. no sex before marriage, treat your wife as you want to be treated, no adultery, etc... sexual disease would be gone, children would have both parents, etc... thik about that for 20 minutes
Ok what about just being responsible and knowing your partner. Not being a jackass and cheating on someone. You can have all that without religion. Sexual disease didnt come from sin another one coud come about anytime. Besides man has never acheived this with god christians get divorced as often as secularists do. I am not saying failure is reason not to try though.
what is responsible to you may be different to others, what rules are you going to tell people to follow. IS there a master book of morals someplace that we all need to read, and then what if somebody disagrees...
Who are you to force your Values on another person.
I dont plan to tell people anything to follow atleast not in any dictatorship sort of way. You realy think im some kind of nazi dont you lol. Morals can be agreed upon on a large scale within a society not 100% but like i said we should all try to come to a reasonable place. Your the one with the great moral book to read.
Bible a book of MORALS? Have you read it? The old testiment alone has over 700 laws. I love the one that says a womans hand must be cut off if it touches a man's groin during a grapple. Love that MORAL!
Incorrect. You would have to say No sex before marriage, no adultery, no mutual muliple sex partners, no blood transfusions, no sex after divorce, no sex after a remarriage, no getting raped, etc and so on. What world are you living in?
All goverment and state should be ran from a secular perspective. That way everyone is safe from religion including christians, muslim, hindu, etc nobody secular takes swearing on a bible seriously. If chrisitians were made to swear on a foriegn holy book they wouldnt say "well gotta have that freedom of relgion i guess ill be polite and just go along with it. I dont care who started the country its time to grow out of religion.
Yeah "In God We Trust" was added during the commie scare of the 50's to differentiate the U.S. from godless communists. The original 1782 motto "E Pluribus Unum" meaning Out of Many One is a much wiser albeit cryptic one.
Yeah, the founding fathers were deists. They believed in god. Not a particular god, but a non-intervening god, a god that doesn't mess with humanity. Having said that, I still think they would've been against putting "In God We Trust" on our money and "One Nation Under God" in our pledge. They were deists. They didn't pray to god or anything like that. They didn't rely on god for anything so I don't think they'd be fore putting god on our currency.
The founding fathers..which include about 250 folks were mostly Christians... Ther eis a wonderful law book called original intent.. worth a read...if you are open minded
Cont..I think its pretty safe to assume that christians would be outraged by a koran verse in the courts. If they werent it would be a sin because anyone who isnt yhwh is a false god (bible says so) so intolerance would be from both sides only atheist and secular people dont want theocracy, christianity says there are no other gods.period.
the founding fathers were not christian, they were theists, they believed if there was a god, he has nothing to do with us and is unknowable(closest thing to atheism they had at the time) i hate hearing this country was found on christianity, washington, adams, franklin, all believed that if there was a god, he was long gone
The founding fathers, meaning those who started our govt, were not the founding people of this country, as they were a couple of centuries removed. So I'm getting tired of hearing that this country wasn't founded on Christianity.
If it was founded on little bo peep and it was harming our society would we still want to keep it around? I hate hearing all these faithheads boohoo about founding fathers like it means there should never be change. "Well thats the way it was in the begining so we better not look at any other avenues"!
i'm glad i'm from a country that puts charles darwin on our currency and not some character with as much credibility as a sabre-toothed ostrich that cleans homes for a living using only a small wooden spoon.
eternalcrumpet 3 hours ago
Sad news everyone just heard on FOX Ron Paul is dead.
wiccanmoonman 1 month ago
Indeed.
GrandmasterBBC 2 months ago
Yep, support Ron Paul and you get back those very soon!
DraskyVanderhoff 2 months ago
And soon to follow, the lack of trust for our government, then came "in god we trust". There is no better Scapegoat, than an invisible Scapegoat.
JesusFknChrist666 2 months ago
I do love "clean money!" I value my silver certificates (especially my $2 Jefferson one) as much as my Darwin 10 pound note from the U.K.
jimdewphd 2 months ago
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Wow Real American Money that does not promote blind faith in a cartoon god that lacks the credibility in preventing catastrophic stock market events
MagicTellaVision 2 months ago
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"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS NOT IN ANY SENSE FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." (Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11: Written during the Administration of George Washington and signed into law by John Adams.)
MagicTellaVision 2 months ago
We need more education in our society!!
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That doesn't mean a thing, first off as someone here pointed out, God, the symbol of God as been used by those with other intentions or other motives. Second, what god are we talking about here, you do know that Satan is the 'god' of this world right? So I wouldn't trust this government saying they believed in the same god that I do.
muddhole777 5 months ago
@muddhole777 there is no one god of this world, considering the tens of thousands of religions in it, most of which think they are right and the one true religion.
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I would like to thank George Washington for fighting for our freedom against King James Middle Eastern Abrahamic Spaghetti Monster which is not the word of God. Sincerely one Free Secular Nation above all Religious theocracy, as a free American I refuse to be forced to bow to a dead Middle Eastern man who has been elected to be my New God and who I would not trust my money with which is based on blind faith for a fool.
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Thomas "Tom" Paine (February 9, 1737 [O.S. January 29, 1736[1]] -- June 8, 1809) was one of the Founding Fathers of the United States. He became notorious because of The Age of Reason (1793--94), his book that advocates deism, promotes reason and freethinking, argues against institutionalized religion and Christian doctrines.
MagicTellaVision 8 months ago
I find it interesting how xians try and claim the "god we trust" thing on money. There aren't any xian symbols or anything of their god on money. The only deity that has made her way onto our currency is the Goddess Libertas. Aka Lady Liberty. LOL gotta love stupid people!
Boudiga 1 year ago
I have a small collection of silver and red certificate 5 dollar bills.
theblueo1 1 year ago
dime a dozen baby
marcogerra 1 year ago
i dont know what it says, the video quality is quite poor.
jihadpizza 1 year ago
I've got two of those, if you sell yours let me know how much you get for it? please.
AnneHardingBondiJct 1 year ago
I would be willing to bet that the dislikes for this video are the fundamentalists christians.
connerjd 1 year ago
i bet you ride like a fiend
humanity6fl9 1 year ago
She failed to mention the deep symbology behind the all seeing eye.
maskedtruther 1 year ago
So when did they start printing "In God we trust"? Also I know supposedly they didn't put the phrase in our pledges until after the 1950s. What happened?
PrincessKLS 1 year ago
God's name actually isn't on the currency. Besides, I don't think the true Christians or even Jews EVER put any pagan symbols such as the Eye of Horus next to anything. Now ppl say the early Christians did..I choose not to believe that as the scripture is preatty strict about that, and one couldn't call himself Christian if he did.. So weather it's really freemason or not, it's not the God of the Christians it's implying..it's a different God. as in, what they worship. Lucifer. Giver of light.
snowfallzz 2 years ago
Theodore Roosevelt said "to put such a motto on coins... comes dangerously close to sacrilege". If anything, religious people should oppose the use of God's name on currency. My opinion anyway.
filmnet 2 years ago
It's my opinion that Jesus Christ is not a religion...He is the way. I follow Christ the best I can. If anyone decides not to follow Him that is there right.....rock and roll brother have a good life.
BinkyBoat 2 years ago
Why don't you just tell people what you believe. Do you believe and trust in Satan or do you believe in trust in God. A government should be a refection of what people believe. Who do you believe and trust in God or the Devil?
johnjablonsky 2 years ago
science.
I believe and trust in science.
EAC1215 1 year ago 5
@johnjablonsky Let's say neither!
TekLok 1 year ago
I'm 15 years old, I studied religion and politic this past year when I became an athiest.
In God We Trust was added in 1957 when the first prints of the bill were made, but the actuall legislation that passed the addition of the words was in 1954 or 1955, something around there.
EAC1215 2 years ago 2
my friend just gave me 1 today and i thought it was fake and ur right!
m1e1x1i1c1a1n1 1 year ago
you say this is "fact"......that they were masons before christians.....name your credible source for that statement
inkey2 2 years ago
thats "your" opinion.....this is just like what nazis said about the jews, or what the KKK used to say about Catholics and blacks........etc. You are just another one of "them"
inkey2 2 years ago
George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, Etc. were not Christians. This is a shock to most Christians but it is the truth. As Annie Savoy said in the great movie Bull Durham, "You could look it up"
inmyheart313131 2 years ago
they added one nation under God during the cold war as a bias against communism. dumb slut
bauerdrivepride 2 years ago 2
I am not sure what this lady is trying to say but "in god we trust" has been on coins since the civil war.....I believe the first one was a circa 1864 2 cent piece
inkey2 2 years ago
wtf i dont get it.....
philster00700 2 years ago
In god we trust was put on money during the 50's to show that we were not a bunch of godless commies
werty3535 2 years ago
originally "In God We Trust" was introduced on currency produced in the 1860's by The Second Bank of the United States. Later Andrew "Old Hickory" Jackson withdrew the bank's charter while referring to it's private owners and board of directors as "a den of vipers and thieves".
In 1913, Congress passed the Federal Reserve Act (The Third "Privately Owned" Central Banking "Cartel")
HR 1207 AUDIT THE FED!!!
Google: The Money Masters (documentary)
ALITL8 2 years ago
GO AMERICA!!!!!! USA BITCH!!!!
Turtle3Time 2 years ago
Do you know that whilst the USA has In God We Trust' on it's bank notes, over here in England all notes have Queen Elizabeth II on one side and on the back an important British historical figure. And guess whose on the back of the English £10.00 note? CHARLES DARWIN. Total win there. You really should be over here, mate! You'd fit right in! (P.S. The knowledge of that always makes me laugh)
LordMacBeth79 2 years ago
Yeah, buddy, I'm not sure it's that much more enlightened to have a monarch on your money (or to still have a monarch at all, for that matter). Also, as an American, none of my tax dollars go to an established church.
donquickoats 2 years ago
Oh how I WISH I could live in England now... *sigh*
Kakarot21591 2 years ago
lordmacbeath79: I collect alot of American money but know nothing about Brit money. Are you serious? Darwin is on your 10 pound note?
inkey2 2 years ago
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LordMacBeth79 2 years ago
Do you still have the Silver Certificate note a year and a half later. Most women can't even hold on to a dollar these days.
DetroitLove4U 2 years ago
The whole "in God we trust" on dollars and "under God" in the pledge, was added during the 50s mainly do to the red scare. Try and separate us as far as we can from the USSR.
SpikeIncorporated 2 years ago 5
Well, some currency started getting printed with the phrase in 1864... it was only made an act of congress in the '50s. The pledge insertion was lobbied by the Knights of Columbus, a catholic group.
AgnosticNews 2 years ago
to spikeincorporated: you have no idea what you are talking about. In God We Trust was put on the US TWO CENT PIECE in the 1860s......not the 1950s......
inkey2 2 years ago
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YOU ARE FUCKING HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cry12344 2 years ago
ahh, and that's the way money should have stayed.
i cross out the word god on my money and write "FSM" or "logic" instead :)
kittygirl792 2 years ago
you do realize that our founding fathers said that if this nation strays from God it will fall. You do realize that our founding fathers were not retarded.
32x2z 2 years ago
you do realize that our founding fathers were pro slavery. you do realize that our founding fathers were not retarted. ...
-yes i realize they weren't retarted. but just because they were the founding fathers of the US doesn't mean we have to agree with all their philosophies. (i.e. slavery) it doesn;t matter wut important ppl thought. it has to make sence to u. and i happen to think that straining from god will only do a country good.
kittygirl792 2 years ago
ironically this country america has been straining from God and its in a recession. lawls at americans who don't notice anything wrong with america.
32x2z 2 years ago
so r u saying that its in a recession b/c its been straining from god? oh no, i can only imagine what horrors society will face once we become completely secular! ... or maybe we wount face any horrors, seing how the US is doing just fine even though it doesnt worship any of the other hundrends of deities made up by ppl in other countires/times. that leads me to believe that straining from one more will not do us any harm.
kittygirl792 2 years ago
r u saying that our economy dropping from 13,000 to 8,000 is fine? besides I know US is going to be destroyed and when it is you'll be like oh that one guy on the internet said this but whatever.
32x2z 2 years ago
no thats not fine but just because we happen 2 b straining from god @ the same time (although idk how u can measure that, maybe by the increasing # of atheists) as the economy is falling doesnt suggest a cause & effect. its just a corelation. and ok, congrats about ur "knowledge" that the US will b destroyed. i can't predict the future but if by destroyed u mean by god, then ur probably wrong, coz that idea comes from a book written a long time ago by ppl who knew nothing about the future either
kittygirl792 2 years ago
to kittygirl1792: ummm .....i think you need to know that it is spelled "retarDed" not "reTarted"
inkey2 2 years ago
if you think haveing one silver certificate is cool it is but I have three 1$ silver certificates, three two's, a five, and a ten
klemasglen 3 years ago
DAMN! YOU ARE HOTTTTT!
PONE1280 3 years ago
That dollar is fuckin old. Hell yeah.
somechick73 3 years ago
Yeah, the national motto wasn't implemented until 1956 after an Act of Congress. I hate to pass judgement but, you reek of pride. What's your point?
dboyatcha 3 years ago
cool, keep it!
and actually the separation of church and state is so the government can't come in and say "hey you can't sing christmas carols here" or "you can't have a menorah here"
but instead that is exactly what they are doing. using the law the opposite way, making people take god out of there lives.
which ever one you believe in.
however the people who print your money
are the only ones who know who god really is/was.
voidenter 3 years ago
I want one!
TheDeLoreanFlux 3 years ago
OMG! You made god disappear!!
intelligentfalling 3 years ago
Haaaaaa!!
Bought a coffee today At Tim Horton's, and when stuffing the singles back into my wallet after paying, noticed one looked different.
Silver certificate babay!
OnTheFritz602 3 years ago
Interesting thing, "In God we trust" suddenly made its appearance into our money right after the gold and silver standard were eliminated. I believe in God dont get me wrong but I think this was more of a subliminal message to get all the ppl content in a way with the new worthless paper money, a sort of subconscious message to our brains saying that this paper is ok in my opinion when it isnt. They r using God for their own agenda and benefits, I think this is derisory.
JAGUARWARRIOR21 3 years ago 4
I think it was more than that - just our fear of the 'godless commies' - you know what I mean?
healthyaddict 3 years ago 4
@healthyaddict Exactly. Ideological warfare was just one of many facets to the Cold War. You better not be Red...
Snape75 1 year ago
@healthyaddict Hellooo, you are beautiful.
LLOYD19851012 9 months ago
@healthyaddict surely you should be more interested in why there is a pyramid and an eye on the back of the great seal?
SierraGolf017 7 months ago
JAGUARWARRIOR21: In God We Trust first appeared on a "two cent piece" during the Civil War"
inkey2 2 years ago
plus, that "2 cent piece" was issued by a private bank. It wasn't federal. ;)
cowdragon 2 years ago
NO it was NOT a private bank...it was designed by the head engraver of the US MINT
inkey2 2 years ago
well thats where you are wrong.....you can "say" it's not a christian nation but all the founding fathers were christian, the first pilgrims that came from England were christian and all our US Presidents have been christian.....plus with over a thousand christian illegal mexicans entering the US (per day) we are becoming "more" christian than ever.
inkey2 2 years ago
Apparently you do not understand the intent of the First amendment. The separation of church and state, as -the very first- priority of our government, is based in the eglatarian writings of Roger Williams, founder of Rhode Island.
The founding fathers, the influential (framers) of which were Deists, crafted this amendment specifically to ensure the rights of the minority. It is there to bar theocracy and religious popularity from running the show. It is rather secular in intent.
Look it up.
abyssquick 2 years ago
OH, I understand it.....I am just telling you the facts and reality of the situation
inkey2 2 years ago
The nation is full of Christains nowadays. Nobody denies this. History is a different matter. Leave it unto history books and historians.
The ones I have conversed with on the issue tend to perceive religious arrogation of the USA's history, based on what we actually know about the founding of the nation. Jefferson, Paine, Adams, Franklin, etc valued reason above all else. They would likely be ignored / disassociated from Christianity today were it not for their historical influence / stature.
abyssquick 2 years ago
"Great men may gain nothing from religion, but religion has everything to gain from great men."
abyssquick 2 years ago
...and no, I am not an atheist. I am not defending some atheistic point of view. I'm merely providing the historical perspective I have, in being so interested in the topic myself.
abyssquick 2 years ago
to jaguarwarrior21; NO......."in god we trust" first appeared on the US TWO CENT PIECE during the "Civil War".
inkey2 2 years ago
@JAGUARWARRIOR21 Hasn't God always been used by those in power as a means of control, propaganda, benefit?
WolfySnackrib666 6 months ago
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@WolfySnackrib666 God used by those in power? Who would do that?
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord"
-Adolf Hitler
(Mein Kampf, Chapter 2, final paragraph.)
gregrutz 3 months ago
here's a fun fact, britain has like 5 different 10 pound notes and one of them has a picture of Charles Darwin on it....and none of them have god on it.
garylssk 3 years ago
Don't understand this one...Are you saying it's God's fault that things are going under? Who cares if the currency says one nation under God? Why should that even be of any relavence? Were not one nation under God. That's why were are falling into despotism and tyranny. Those of you who are non-believers in Jesus Christ...why do you choose to attack this one thing rather than the fact we've sqaunderd the nation due to hubris, greed and immorality, a state of mind that goes against God.
Cicero75BC 3 years ago
From an external point of view (I am English), I would hazard a guess that its because church and state are required to remain separate explicitly by the US constitution and putting that on the money (and in the declaration thing) is unconstitutional.
Squawkerd 3 years ago 4
It actully deviates from the point of my argument but since you brought it up there is no express clause in the U.S. Constitution which requires separation of church and state. That is an age old argument based upon an unofficial set of documents known as the Federalist Papers written primarily by Alexander Hamilton.
Cicero75BC 3 years ago
It actully deviates from the point of my argument but since you brought it up there is no express clause in the U.S. Constitution which requires separation of church and state. That is an age old argument based upon an unofficial set of documents known as the Federalist Papers written primarily by Alexander Hamilton.
Cicero75BC 3 years ago
I think I love you!
Cuttingtorch 3 years ago
I *must* find some older currency like this.
WWI and II Soldiers fought and died for our Constitution and freedoms, and then "God" gets added to all currency, and "Under God" gets added to the Pledge.
It's a slap in the face to our Country and the people who gave everything to uphold our rights and freedoms.
OnTheFritz602 3 years ago 16
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Last I recall we founded on secularism.
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You're not the first one to get this wrong...
The Constitution says nothing about America being secular any more than it says abortion is a native civil right...
Liberals are simply delusional and hypocritical regarding such issues..
GospelPete 3 years ago
G-Pete said-
"The Constitution says nothing about America being secular any more than it says abortion is a native civil right.."
You're obviously clueless about the definition of secular. Interesting that you go off topic and throw abortion in the same sentence.
You "Pete", are guaranteed by the first amendment to freely worship anything you like, even a steaming pile of dogshit.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
OnTheFritz602 3 years ago 2
why are you xstians so god damned uneducated? Truth doesn't matter as long as it supports your little god? The words weren't there until 1957. We became a country in 1776. Flunk any math classes????
cowdragon 3 years ago
to cowdragon: WRONG....the first american coin with "in god we trust" goes back to the 1860s.....An American "two cent piece"
inkey2 2 years ago
that's still 80 years or so AFTER we were a country. We are NOT an xstian nation. We are a secular nation. Keep your god the fuck off my money.
cowdragon 2 years ago
to cowdrgon: it is never specified in "which god" we trust....it could be jesus, allah, elvis.......essentually just fill in the blank
inkey2 2 years ago
"Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;
(Treaty of Tripoli)"
And this simple trade agreement with a Muslim nation designed to increase revenue defines 250 years of our National heritage?
Shallow propaganda...
GospelPete 3 years ago
Last I recall we founded on secularism... Funny how the treaty of Tripoli reflects that?
IT MUST BE PROPERGANDA!!!
properganda is showing one side of the argument so please enlighten us Pete, lets hear why our goverment is actually a christian nation despite what the constitution says :)
U4godlike 3 years ago 7
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u guys are kinda dumb, the constitution talks about a higher power, it says thats where all of are rights come from, our creator not man or the gov't. just because there is separation of church and state doesnt mean there cant be in spritual references in the gov't at all
duosythe 3 years ago
duosythe. i am afraid you are quite mistaken. the declaration of independence refers to a creator, but NOWHERE in the constitution does it say God, creator, or higher power. the constitution is the legal framework of the country.
GuitaristAlways 3 years ago
ok im the dumb one my mistake, but it does still seem that our gov't at one point was religiously oriented. i mean the prez is still sworn in on the bible. and the dec of independence does mention "God" im not saying we still should but it was there at that time
duosythe 3 years ago
The "no religious test" clause of the United States Constitution is found in Article VI, section 3, and states that:
" ...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;
(Treaty of Tripoli)
GuitaristAlways 3 years ago 2
Thank you!! i say that all the time . and we added 'Under god" to the pledge of allegiance in the 50s. IT SHOULD BE THERE AND IT SHOULDNT BE ON OUR MONEY. The government is supposed to be religiously neutral yet they have this on there. ridiculous.
elishot 3 years ago
I WANT ONE!
lionOFjudah33 3 years ago
lol. I wish you weren't so attractive! lol!
ChrisReeves1230 3 years ago
believing in god has NOTHING to do with being righteous.
so ridiculous
im an athiest and a vegetarian
firedog501 3 years ago 2
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majav15mg 3 years ago
Liberal scum...hmmmmm
RedLacesInMyBoots 4 years ago
This is probably dumb to say to most of you, but I wish with everything inside of me that this whole country believed in God. Wouldn't we be better off if it were that way?
erimek 4 years ago
no you got it backwards. it would be better if everyone was at least skeptic not atheist or theist.
PerishBrave 3 years ago
All of Iran believes in god...How's that working for them?
bongoguy74 3 years ago 4
This chick is the obvious product of the public school system.
MGR1900 4 years ago 2
""most but by far not all...""....wonderful line...not sure what it means but it made me think
markw207 4 years ago
Thanks. Much of it pivots on interpretation. One example, he says that he is not getting rid of hebrew law, so the barbaric rules and rituals of the old testiment are still valid. And some of the stories such as the "he with out sin throw the first stone" didn't even appear in the bible until the middle ages. Even the turn the other cheek can be interpreted far from benevolent.
RosieDesire 4 years ago
actually the quote says he has not coming to abolish BUT TO FULFILL and as we all know once a contract has been fulfilled it is put aside... now go to sleep it is late and i am tired
markw207 4 years ago
I know... I wasn't quoting. But my point was: it all depends on how it is INTERPRETED. That can be a VERY slippery slope.
RosieDesire 4 years ago
yes they try to interpret the bible using the vernacular of the times so it is often interpreted differently at different times. the good news is a good majority of the biblical scrolls are intact and have been scanned. In fact a recent check of the scrolls regarding the number of the beast found that a smudge changed the number, the original number is 616.
ckilr01 4 years ago
I'm completely with you on that. As for the 616; I've heard of that. But I think it was only in one of the scrolls. I'm apt to think that it was miscopy because other areas such as solomon use 666 for the talents of gold and I believe other copies have it as 666. However, it would be interesting to see. Are they avaliable online?
RosieDesire 4 years ago
oops soory spelling gets worse as time gets later..
markw207 4 years ago
Just so you know... i am a Christian BUT I do not think the churches should be tax exempt. Although I understand why they are...
markw207 4 years ago
Just so you know. I am an atheist but I have mixed feelings about church's tax exempt status. I do understand why they are, but I feel they should be exempt for a completely different reason than their church status which would make it more fair for secular organizations doing similar work that currently do not have the same advantages.
RosieDesire 4 years ago
I think the fact that taking the exemption means a minister can not express political views is 1 wrong and 2 makes the pastor a chicken...
I think they should pay taxs on incoming contributions... and several have moved that way
markw207 4 years ago
I agree with you there. It also strengthens the church and changes it from a liability to an asset. One church in my area is very progressive in that way. They lease half of their church to a secular school. It compelely takes the wind out of the opposition.
RosieDesire 4 years ago
AND... no court decides a case based on what religion you are nor are you denied andy protection under they law or benefit from the GOV because you are not a Methodist
markw207 4 years ago
When the president says " i will appoint people of faith to the supreme court" theres no doubt in my mind that its for his personal religious goals. And thats still his right but many things are done in such a way from that point on that i think are immoral. It seems like all of it should be compatable but i dont think it is considering what people believe about morals in religion.
UcanbeGOD 4 years ago
Not sure what your point or argument here is??
markw207 4 years ago
Im just saying that when god is included in gov or courts it has the power to create a very maladaptive environment for morality and survival. So even though its thier right i dont agree with it.
UcanbeGOD 4 years ago
When God is left out it has the potential to create an environment where maladaptive morality runs rampant. Without some base then relativism runs wild,,,, everything is permissable
markw207 4 years ago
The base is common sense. I dont believe in god and I have moral fiber. Morality is about aleviating pain and inducing happiness. Love and understanding mixed with a little reason. Look up sam harris on youtube he can word this better than i can. Or just read his books: the end of faith and letter to a christian nation.
UcanbeGOD 4 years ago
Charity is about helping people with pain and suffering. Morality is a system or moral conduct. Principals or rules of conduct, conformity to human conduct.
markw207 4 years ago
Whoa! Conformity to human conduct is not morality automaticaly. Just because its the majority doesnt make it moral. why do we need religion to teach right and wrong? I fail to see where relgion is consistant at all when it comes to morals.
UcanbeGOD 4 years ago
What was not moral 20 years ago is today viewed by many as moral. Christians should should be talking about Holiness.. what is right in front of God - (read that as Jesus Christ)
and conformity means to conform to the norm... which is different in every culture..or do YOU and your ILK get to decide morals for everybody
markw207 4 years ago
Its safe to assume that murdering, raping and the like arent moral. I can read jesus sermons on the mount and try and live by that andnot have to believe in that whole religion. You wanna talk deciding morals for everyone? How about the follwing......
UcanbeGOD 4 years ago
Catholics discourage safe sex in africa hence the spread of aids and unwanted pregnancy. Honor killings in the muslim faith. The demand for intel design in science class (its not science). Oh and dont forget all the judaic religions say if your not BLANK your wrong and going to burn in hell. And there are good reasons for theses practices in religion cause the books support it. God says luv me or suffer for eternity...if thats holyness i am not impressed
UcanbeGOD 4 years ago
ucanbegod, please catholics promote "no sex" before marriage, I can not speak for muslims, I am not one. Intel design...wow alot of very intelligent people see some potential for it. So would you only allow people to believe as you believe
markw207 4 years ago
I dont, i think its fine to teach intel design but not in science class and it should be optional. Besides what would the class be like? Ok students remember all that stuff you were taught in science class?...well god did it.
UcanbeGOD 4 years ago
No sex before marrage is like, "Just Hold it Potty training" - Roy Zimmerman. I have no problem with people that want to not have sex before marriage, but for those that don't should not be TRAINED NOT to USE a CONDOM. That is just irresponsible and should be considered mental abuse.
RosieDesire 4 years ago
ucanbegod-think about this, no sex before marriage would wipe out AIDS and several other illnesses within 3 generations.
markw207 4 years ago
Thats fine. But that doesnt make it moral to be married first.
UcanbeGOD 4 years ago
well since morals change every 20 years who is really to say what is moral. we can all make judgements on what is moral, since in your morality there is really no hard and fast rules. you may base it on what is best for the majority, others may think that the 10 Commandments, what was "moral" in 1776, 1876, 1976 and today are much different
markw207 4 years ago
There are hard and fast rules to morality.
UcanbeGOD 4 years ago
sexual disease comes about through sex.. if you only had sex with one person your whole life and that was your spouse... you would never get one (unless it was through a blood transfusion, etc)
markw207 4 years ago
Yeah but it started somewhere mark. There had to be somebody to first get aids? Whos to say a new mutation would not occur.
UcanbeGOD 4 years ago
Incorrect again. Ever heard of HPV? It transfered through TOUCH not intercourse.
RosieDesire 4 years ago
well we would have less of a welfare state if it was closer to biblical morals. no sex before marriage, treat your wife as you want to be treated, no adultery, etc... sexual disease would be gone, children would have both parents, etc... thik about that for 20 minutes
markw207 4 years ago
Ok what about just being responsible and knowing your partner. Not being a jackass and cheating on someone. You can have all that without religion. Sexual disease didnt come from sin another one coud come about anytime. Besides man has never acheived this with god christians get divorced as often as secularists do. I am not saying failure is reason not to try though.
UcanbeGOD 4 years ago
what is responsible to you may be different to others, what rules are you going to tell people to follow. IS there a master book of morals someplace that we all need to read, and then what if somebody disagrees...
Who are you to force your Values on another person.
markw207 4 years ago
I dont plan to tell people anything to follow atleast not in any dictatorship sort of way. You realy think im some kind of nazi dont you lol. Morals can be agreed upon on a large scale within a society not 100% but like i said we should all try to come to a reasonable place. Your the one with the great moral book to read.
UcanbeGOD 4 years ago
Bible a book of MORALS? Have you read it? The old testiment alone has over 700 laws. I love the one that says a womans hand must be cut off if it touches a man's groin during a grapple. Love that MORAL!
RosieDesire 4 years ago
Hmmm only one sexual partner your whole life and not having sex before marriage. Can we say, "HUGE SPIKE IN TEENAGE SUICIDE!!"
RosieDesire 4 years ago
Incorrect. You would have to say No sex before marriage, no adultery, no mutual muliple sex partners, no blood transfusions, no sex after divorce, no sex after a remarriage, no getting raped, etc and so on. What world are you living in?
RosieDesire 4 years ago
Are you attempting to claim that morality can not exist without religion?
RosieDesire 4 years ago
This is speculative at best
markw207 4 years ago
All goverment and state should be ran from a secular perspective. That way everyone is safe from religion including christians, muslim, hindu, etc nobody secular takes swearing on a bible seriously. If chrisitians were made to swear on a foriegn holy book they wouldnt say "well gotta have that freedom of relgion i guess ill be polite and just go along with it. I dont care who started the country its time to grow out of religion.
UcanbeGOD 4 years ago
ucanbegod... read what you wrote and ask yourself.... are my comments based on sounds argument or on how I FEEL
markw207 4 years ago
I can't read it from the low quality of the video. What does it actually say?
lostn65 4 years ago
Actually that is true. The founding first fathers were not Christian at all they were Masons. Search for yourself.
KatrinaDVP 4 years ago
blatantly untrue and a very uninformed response...well teh search for yourself comment was correct
markw207 4 years ago
Yeah "In God We Trust" was added during the commie scare of the 50's to differentiate the U.S. from godless communists. The original 1782 motto "E Pluribus Unum" meaning Out of Many One is a much wiser albeit cryptic one.
joesatube 4 years ago 2
That prick McCarthy was behind that witch hunt in the 1950's!
Swa6543 4 years ago
Yeah, the founding fathers were deists. They believed in god. Not a particular god, but a non-intervening god, a god that doesn't mess with humanity. Having said that, I still think they would've been against putting "In God We Trust" on our money and "One Nation Under God" in our pledge. They were deists. They didn't pray to god or anything like that. They didn't rely on god for anything so I don't think they'd be fore putting god on our currency.
MagnusIan 4 years ago 3
for* - damn my quick spelling mistakes. : P
MagnusIan 4 years ago
The founding fathers..which include about 250 folks were mostly Christians... Ther eis a wonderful law book called original intent.. worth a read...if you are open minded
markw207 4 years ago
Cont..I think its pretty safe to assume that christians would be outraged by a koran verse in the courts. If they werent it would be a sin because anyone who isnt yhwh is a false god (bible says so) so intolerance would be from both sides only atheist and secular people dont want theocracy, christianity says there are no other gods.period.
UcanbeGOD 4 years ago
the founding fathers were not christian, they were theists, they believed if there was a god, he has nothing to do with us and is unknowable(closest thing to atheism they had at the time) i hate hearing this country was found on christianity, washington, adams, franklin, all believed that if there was a god, he was long gone
johnmonk66 4 years ago 3
The founding fathers, meaning those who started our govt, were not the founding people of this country, as they were a couple of centuries removed. So I'm getting tired of hearing that this country wasn't founded on Christianity.
Elhardt 4 years ago
i never knew the natives were christian
johnmonk66 4 years ago
If it was founded on little bo peep and it was harming our society would we still want to keep it around? I hate hearing all these faithheads boohoo about founding fathers like it means there should never be change. "Well thats the way it was in the begining so we better not look at any other avenues"!
UcanbeGOD 4 years ago