Science is a big problem for religion. As much as they have tried to control it, they can't. Science seeks truth not dogma. Science keeps explaining everything we used to give god credit for. Priests should start looking for real jobs. The faithful should consider enjoying this life as there is no credible evidense of an afterlife.
to be honest if we can play god then god is actually kinda crap im not saying he is im just saying if he does exist then we arnt really playing god at all cus in order for it to be ha god it would have to be rediculous and be able to do things we cant do unlike as this proves making life
although tbh its not really creating life its more altering it at a very basic yet complicated level if ya know what i mean
@shadowtygo I don't really wanna start this but if fact is some detail that you know for certain right? Well, we do not know what is on the other side, so it is not a fact.
Of course ppl like you are to arrogant to understand it
I know I shouldn't waste my time here, but just listen to yourself for a second, u haven't actually died or anything like that and yet you claim that it is a fact.
Next time you better think twice before calling someone idiot and stating something like that as a fact
@shadowtygo Haven't you heard what I have said before? No I have not died, but you haven't either, and yet you claim that there's nothing there as a fact., and you calling me a hypocrite? Next time think a little before starting a flame war with someone.
@shadowtygo You know, our *feelings* are what makes us different from the rest of the animals in this world.
And by the way, I cannot wait to see you use that very same logic when you'll be in your death bed.
Like a wise man said once, It is very easy to be an atheist when you're succsseful (in general), but it is very hard to be one when you're on your death bed.
@ernestas111 Rofl I had 2 Near death experiences (as in I almost died twice) I have no need for such things, it's hard for people because the one's that call themselves "Atheists" aren't really atheists.
@TheKitch2 .... No dumbass that means some people who convert to some stupid religion on their deathbed/prison/peril Etc. ARE NOT True atheists, True atheists stay atheists.
@shadowtygo That's really a no true scottsman argument, it is possible for an atheist to convert, but that's not really an argument against atheism,and why are you so angry all of a sudden? Did I get under your collar
and twist your nipples?
I for a second thought that you were inferring what I said above, because I have heard that before to my utter disbelief (forgive the obvious pun :P)
Interesting that they cite unnamed "ethics experts" who complain about "playing god" but never seem to mention that the proposal to create synthetic life was examined for 15 months by an ethics committee. It had representatives of every major world religion. They said since none of their holy books had any injunction against creating life (the opposite, if anything) then in principle it's permissible.
The kneejerks bleating about blasphemy are making it up off the top of their heads.
what's so bad about flu? you just get over it. much like a cold. mild discomfort for a few days and then you get over it. It's very character building to be ill. If nobody got ill or experienced bad things people would be horrible, arrogant, ASBOs.
Um, no, flu isn't like a cold, unless you're lucky enough to catch a virus that you have some measure of immunity to. Otherwise it can and does kill. Contact with isolated indigenous people nearly always results within a few years of 10-50% of them dying because of flu - caught from people for whom it's "like a bad cold"
The 1918 "Spanish" flu killed 50-100 million of people around the globe - more that the First World War did. The "Asian" flu of 1957/58 killed millions too.
@dunnonuffink yes i'm aware of immunity. This doesn't change the fact that things die, all the time. In dying, natural selection is sifting through genes unsuitable for survival. I'm sorry, but people have to die. If everyone lives, there will be overcrowding and general degradation of the human race. Devolution! Just because lots of people died doesn't make it bad. I'll be proved right in about 100 years when everyone has to be in a sterile bubble in fear of getting ill.
@Kishgofu "I'll be proved right in about 100 years when everyone has to be in a sterile bubble in fear of getting ill."
I don't think that's the case (either literal or analogical). The role of medical science is to improve health care and people's quality of life while they are alive. It is not and will never try to make people live forever.
@TheKitch2 I don't think it's about living forever. I just see getting ill as an important developmental stage. When you have been ill and come out of it, havn't you had a new outlook on life? be it a small change, there is always a maturity that comes with getting ill. Some people die from being ill, sure. But why is this a bad thing? quality of life is just a construct from our selfish need to self gratification. Shit happens, the people who can get over it are better suited to survival
@Kishgofu Well I rarely ill, but when I am and recover I do not have a new outlook on life.
"Some people die from being ill, sure. But why is this a bad thing?" because that person is somebodies mother / father / sister / brother / daughter / grandparent etc (not all at the same time though ha ha!)
But we must not get into the mindset of survival of the fittest, but to look to lighten suffering.
Also I would argue that quality of life also comes from altruism.
@TheKitch2 If nobody suffered, then people wouldn't change. I do not believe for a second that you havn't changed from being ill. Even small changes make a difference. Some people have done incredible things because of sadness/illness. Experiencing sadness can do a great deal of good to the world. It reminds me that I'm human and that good things will come. To lighten suffering is just a small step to completely eradicating it.
@Kishgofu I've never had an illness that changed me, the only thing I've ever learned from being ill is knowing what restaurants to avoid! People can change their world view when suffering from a major illness, but this change is not always positive. People can develop phobias or become extremely religious which can be damaging to a persons mental health.
Suffering will never be eradicated. But lightening suffering is a good thing, like feeding the poor, numbing the pain of a dying person etc
Slick change of subject. How about "Oh, yeah, you're right, and I was wrong, flu IS a dangerous disease."
FYI natural selection "sifting through unsuitable genes": it's the poorest groups, marrying young, suffering the highest infant mortality & having tons of kids who are evolving faster (besides developing an immune system not chieved by suburban kids raised with Dettol wipes.)
The most effective contraceptive ever? Proven: free schooling for girls.
I've followed this a bit. It's interesting the method that they first needed to create the dna string piece by piece because the comps weren't capable of a full one. This makes me excited and to the last question: There is no difference between living organisms and machines outside of an adaptive, learning brain.
Science is a big problem for religion. As much as they have tried to control it, they can't. Science seeks truth not dogma. Science keeps explaining everything we used to give god credit for. Priests should start looking for real jobs. The faithful should consider enjoying this life as there is no credible evidense of an afterlife.
Illuminati1965 5 months ago
Last question is food for thoughts. In case the cells are the chemical machines. I am not surprised that people started talking about robots ethics.
Justas923 6 months ago
Go Science, GO!!!!!
yeah
GracielaGraciela1 8 months ago
to be honest if we can play god then god is actually kinda crap im not saying he is im just saying if he does exist then we arnt really playing god at all cus in order for it to be ha god it would have to be rediculous and be able to do things we cant do unlike as this proves making life
although tbh its not really creating life its more altering it at a very basic yet complicated level if ya know what i mean
deathjester145 1 year ago
Science 1,002,240 : Religion: 0.000000001
What the hell does that mean? you know you could offend somebody.
ernestas111 1 year ago
@ernestas111 I could but then again, anyone who gets offened by a joke like that has no sense of humour so I really couldn't care less!
TheKitch2 1 year ago
@TheKitch2 lol.
I give you that one
ernestas111 1 year ago
@ernestas111 who cares it's a fact.
shadowtygo 6 months ago
@shadowtygo sure it is
ernestas111 6 months ago
@ernestas111 I know it is that's why I just said that.
shadowtygo 6 months ago
@shadowtygo I don't really wanna start this but if fact is some detail that you know for certain right? Well, we do not know what is on the other side, so it is not a fact.
Of course ppl like you are to arrogant to understand it
ernestas111 6 months ago
@ernestas111 ?arrogant? I thought Religious idiots were like that because they like to believe in fantasies, face it THERE IS NO OTHER SIDE. FACT
shadowtygo 6 months ago
@shadowtygo Ok. Our disscusion ends here.
I know I shouldn't waste my time here, but just listen to yourself for a second, u haven't actually died or anything like that and yet you claim that it is a fact.
Next time you better think twice before calling someone idiot and stating something like that as a fact
ernestas111 6 months ago
@ernestas111 have you died? nope you can't claim otherwise hypocrite.
shadowtygo 5 months ago
@shadowtygo Haven't you heard what I have said before? No I have not died, but you haven't either, and yet you claim that there's nothing there as a fact., and you calling me a hypocrite? Next time think a little before starting a flame war with someone.
No offence
ernestas111 5 months ago
@ernestas111 It is a fact there is no other side nothing at all supports it, therefore it does not exist.
I thought all my life, unlike zealots like you that go by "feelings" instead of logic
You also spelled "offense" Wrong..
shadowtygo 5 months ago
@shadowtygo You know, our *feelings* are what makes us different from the rest of the animals in this world.
And by the way, I cannot wait to see you use that very same logic when you'll be in your death bed.
Like a wise man said once, It is very easy to be an atheist when you're succsseful (in general), but it is very hard to be one when you're on your death bed.
ernestas111 5 months ago
@ernestas111 Rofl I had 2 Near death experiences (as in I almost died twice) I have no need for such things, it's hard for people because the one's that call themselves "Atheists" aren't really atheists.
shadowtygo 5 months ago
@shadowtygo What do you mean by "the one's that call themselves "Atheists" aren't really atheists." are you saying there are no true atheists
TheKitch2 5 months ago
@TheKitch2 .... No dumbass that means some people who convert to some stupid religion on their deathbed/prison/peril Etc. ARE NOT True atheists, True atheists stay atheists.
shadowtygo 5 months ago
@shadowtygo That's really a no true scottsman argument, it is possible for an atheist to convert, but that's not really an argument against atheism,and why are you so angry all of a sudden? Did I get under your collar
and twist your nipples?
I for a second thought that you were inferring what I said above, because I have heard that before to my utter disbelief (forgive the obvious pun :P)
TheKitch2 5 months ago
@TheKitch2 No my nipples are twisted (lol) because you didn't understand the point, If an atheist converts HE IS NOT ATHEIST.
That second part...this guy....
shadowtygo 5 months ago
@shadowtygo True, I should have read back on the comments and it would have been apparent, my bad
TheKitch2 5 months ago
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taniya3957 1 year ago
Designer pathogens are old news!
CaptainOmar 1 year ago
Cleverness devoid of wisdom.
TheSilentSon 1 year ago
@TheSilentSon
ohhh shut up... like you have any idea what processes went into this work.
what laws where adhered to.
what reasoning was followed.
you dont even know what was involved in how the cell was created..
all you heard in this report was...
'artificial', 'Playing God', and 'could well'
and then somehow you are a moral authority, judging the world from your superiour posistion of knowledge and morality.
news report = reaction = know it all.
CyberNeticRodent 1 year ago
Interesting that they cite unnamed "ethics experts" who complain about "playing god" but never seem to mention that the proposal to create synthetic life was examined for 15 months by an ethics committee. It had representatives of every major world religion. They said since none of their holy books had any injunction against creating life (the opposite, if anything) then in principle it's permissible.
The kneejerks bleating about blasphemy are making it up off the top of their heads.
dunnonuffink 1 year ago
what's so bad about flu? you just get over it. much like a cold. mild discomfort for a few days and then you get over it. It's very character building to be ill. If nobody got ill or experienced bad things people would be horrible, arrogant, ASBOs.
Kishgofu 1 year ago
@Kishgofu
Um, no, flu isn't like a cold, unless you're lucky enough to catch a virus that you have some measure of immunity to. Otherwise it can and does kill. Contact with isolated indigenous people nearly always results within a few years of 10-50% of them dying because of flu - caught from people for whom it's "like a bad cold"
The 1918 "Spanish" flu killed 50-100 million of people around the globe - more that the First World War did. The "Asian" flu of 1957/58 killed millions too.
dunnonuffink 1 year ago
@dunnonuffink yes i'm aware of immunity. This doesn't change the fact that things die, all the time. In dying, natural selection is sifting through genes unsuitable for survival. I'm sorry, but people have to die. If everyone lives, there will be overcrowding and general degradation of the human race. Devolution! Just because lots of people died doesn't make it bad. I'll be proved right in about 100 years when everyone has to be in a sterile bubble in fear of getting ill.
Kishgofu 1 year ago
@Kishgofu "I'll be proved right in about 100 years when everyone has to be in a sterile bubble in fear of getting ill."
I don't think that's the case (either literal or analogical). The role of medical science is to improve health care and people's quality of life while they are alive. It is not and will never try to make people live forever.
TheKitch2 1 year ago
@TheKitch2 I don't think it's about living forever. I just see getting ill as an important developmental stage. When you have been ill and come out of it, havn't you had a new outlook on life? be it a small change, there is always a maturity that comes with getting ill. Some people die from being ill, sure. But why is this a bad thing? quality of life is just a construct from our selfish need to self gratification. Shit happens, the people who can get over it are better suited to survival
Kishgofu 1 year ago
@Kishgofu Well I rarely ill, but when I am and recover I do not have a new outlook on life.
"Some people die from being ill, sure. But why is this a bad thing?" because that person is somebodies mother / father / sister / brother / daughter / grandparent etc (not all at the same time though ha ha!)
But we must not get into the mindset of survival of the fittest, but to look to lighten suffering.
Also I would argue that quality of life also comes from altruism.
TheKitch2 1 year ago
@TheKitch2 If nobody suffered, then people wouldn't change. I do not believe for a second that you havn't changed from being ill. Even small changes make a difference. Some people have done incredible things because of sadness/illness. Experiencing sadness can do a great deal of good to the world. It reminds me that I'm human and that good things will come. To lighten suffering is just a small step to completely eradicating it.
Kishgofu 1 year ago
@Kishgofu I've never had an illness that changed me, the only thing I've ever learned from being ill is knowing what restaurants to avoid! People can change their world view when suffering from a major illness, but this change is not always positive. People can develop phobias or become extremely religious which can be damaging to a persons mental health.
Suffering will never be eradicated. But lightening suffering is a good thing, like feeding the poor, numbing the pain of a dying person etc
TheKitch2 1 year ago 3
@Kishgofu
Slick change of subject. How about "Oh, yeah, you're right, and I was wrong, flu IS a dangerous disease."
FYI natural selection "sifting through unsuitable genes": it's the poorest groups, marrying young, suffering the highest infant mortality & having tons of kids who are evolving faster (besides developing an immune system not chieved by suburban kids raised with Dettol wipes.)
The most effective contraceptive ever? Proven: free schooling for girls.
dunnonuffink 1 year ago
Lets create huge monsters to kill us all
downtheshiter 1 year ago
Wooooot!!!! This is huge!!!
Lol
NeoKailthas 1 year ago
Are you listening, Nobel Committee?
TBTabby 1 year ago
That reminds me, for years people have yapped about bacteria that'll wipe out oil spills. Where the ass is that shit right now when we need it?
megagrey 1 year ago
insane, thanks for sharing kitch.
phead80 1 year ago
@phead80 You welcome.
I know, I am beyond words excited!
TheKitch2 1 year ago
I've followed this a bit. It's interesting the method that they first needed to create the dna string piece by piece because the comps weren't capable of a full one. This makes me excited and to the last question: There is no difference between living organisms and machines outside of an adaptive, learning brain.
kenandkids 1 year ago
@kenandkids and the ability to replicate itself!
TheKitch2 1 year ago
The fundies will just say this "proves design".
anglicantian 1 year ago
@anglicantian Truthfulchristian has said that creating a cell would prove creation. It's a lose lose situation.
TheKitch2 1 year ago