Why is this a BLUNDER? Mary, as any sinful human being, lost sight of who her son really was. I mean, WOULDN'T YOU, if YOU were the one changing his diapers, if YOU were the one calling him to dinner, if YOU were the one that tucked him into bed? Come on man!
@jondabill1 So she "lost sight" of her conversation with the angel Gabriel, her becoming pregnant while a virgin, the other miraculous circumstances surrounding her pregnancy and the birth of her son, is that correct? All of these things, which the gospel tells us she kept and pondered in her heart, just drifted away once she started changing diapers and calling Jesus to dinner?
@ProfMTH She had twelve years in which to "lose sight" of it, as you say. The Israelites in Exodus had merely hours and days to forget about the miracles God performed in saving their lives from the Egyptians. How about America today? It didn't take US long to forget our Godly heritage and the words of our Founding Fathers. Our constitution is only 225 years old, but we have forgotten COMPLETELY about its significance.
@jondabill1 "She had twelve years in which to "lose sight" of it, as you say."
"Lost sight" was" was your formulation. I'd appreciate direct answers to my direct questions. She "lost sight" of her conversation with Gabriel, her becoming pregnant while a virgin, the other miraculous circumstances surrounding her pregnancy & son's birth, correct? All these things, which the gospel says she kept & pondered in her heart, drifted away once she started changing diapers & calling Jesus to dinner?
@ProfMTH Thanks pal. The issue of the KJV was PERTINENT to the issue at hand in THAT VERSE in question, but apparently, you are so FULL of yourself that you think that what you relied with a reasonable response. THINK, next time buddy.
@ProfMTH Direct answers? What question did you pose that I didn't answer? Yes, she got caught up in the "royal family" there and probably started thinking that Joseph was Christ's Father, or at the LEAST should have been looked at as thus. She called Joseph Christ's Father, and then Christ corrected her and said absolutely NOTHING about any home, like the new versions, but told her about his REAL Father's BUSINESS. To an extent, she lost sight of who he was after 12 years!
@jondabill1 "Direct answers? What question did you pose that I didn't answer?"
The ones I asked. See above.
"...she got caught up in the "royal family" there and probably started thinking that Joseph was Christ's Father, or at the LEAST should have been looked at as thus."
So you're seriously contending that the woman no longer recalled that she had been impregnated as a virgin, is that correct?
@ProfMTH Secondly, you quoted a new translation that messed up the passage. Just stick with the KJV, it helps a great deal. Jesus did NOT say, "Don't you know I have to be IN MY FATHER'S HOUSE?". He REALLY said, "Wist ye not that I must BE ABOUT MY FATHER'S business?". NOW...Jesus was already working in Joseph's workshop and learning the carpentry trade, BUT... now, he steps out and says that his FATHER'S business involved people, the law, and salvation, not construction.....
@ProfMTH ...He replied in this fashion BECAUSE his mother (Mary) called Joseph his Father. Read the text. He is correcting her. Mary was fallible....eh, so are you, and the book isn't.... Have a nice day!
JUST BECAUSE YOUR GRAN MA BEAT YOU AND FORCED YOU TO GO TO CHURCH WHEN YOU DIDN'T WANT TO IS NO REASON TO HATE THE BIBLE AND JESUS THIS MUCH MAN!!!!!!!!
@MrTommyt63 You should look up the ad hominem fallacy and learn to avoid it in future. BTW, I don't hate the Bible or Jesus. But even if I did, the argument rises and falls on its merits. That's what you have to deal with as a believer and what you have sought to avoid in a most ham-handed way.
And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.
I can't believe that there are some rational, thinking adults who still believe this crap. We are now in the second decade of the 21st century -- when will people "wise up" and get with the program???
I can hear it now...Christian apologist says, "Just like in modern times, there were visitation rights for Jesus' father. Mary and Joseph had just temporarily forgotten the terms imposed by the courts. Come on atheists, is this the best you've got?"
I don't understand why the virgin birth is so important as a doctrine - if Joseph was not the biological father of Jesus then Jesus can not be the Messiah!
Joseph and Mary did not understand why God had to be in the temple, when He hadn't been in the temple for His first twelve years; He never did this before, so why start now?
i thought this was a good one and don't understand why some think it's weak. the whole "they didn't remember" argument is just plain ridiculous. the apologist motto is "make it fit no matter what" just like you said in your response at the top
Not so good this time. The gospel may have not explicitly meant, that they never had known, but just that they didn't remember. But that it is in the same gospel makes it still a inconsistent.
this particular passage confused me for similar reasons like how could they "misplace their son" and didn't their son break the "honor thy mother and father rule"... well Joseph isnt Jesus' dad and dad trumps mum.. so no disobedience done.. but how do you loose your kid?... it was explained to me that the whole tribe would have gone together so they would have thought Jesus was with the other kids it was only when they bunked down they noticed he was gone
According to how I've always heard the story, the "holy family" didn't go with their whole tribe (and didn't live in a tribe), they were part of a carravan of people traveling to Jerusalem on a pilgrimage, and there were several relatives in the caravan; so they thought that Jesus was with one of them.
But I yes, I agree, that that was sinfully negligent parenting.
Their concern for their son and their confusion I guess I can understand. What I don't get is how one can lose the Son of God himself. One would't want to lose any child, but losing Jesus? That is just hilarious. And in a temple no less. What if there was any priest there that had dirty intentions towards him?
Hell wont be so enjoyable. This one is stupid for if they didnt understand what he was saying is too vague to build any kind of case in either direction. For any part of what he was saying could be the intent. Like for example why did he need to be in his fathers house and for how long couldve been their question/misunderstading. Plus they may have forgotten what was revealed to them 12 years prior.
"Plus they may have forgotten what was revealed to them 12 years prior."
Yeah, it's easy to forget a virgin conceiving and giving birth to a child. It's easy to forget being visited by a supernatural being who tells you that your child is the son of the divine sovereign of the universe. It's easy to forget being told by an angel to run for your lives to another country and then told by the same angel to return when...
@j919or I know you've already been replied to, but I just love your last line. They forgot? I laughed! Yeah, they forgot. That's really easy to forget, isn't it? Seriously, thanks for making me smile.
@MsLilithJS Now Im smiling at how dumb you can be in ur dream world. Check it. 12 years go by and Jesus is just a normal boy, loving and obedient but doing nothing miraculous to remind them of what was told to them 12 years prior. So Jesus is in the temple teaching at 12 and they are worried. If they remembered who He was they wouldnt have been worried.
If the writer wanted to make Jesus' divinity more believable he wouldve had the parents calling him god and worshipping him not treating him
@j919or All I'm saying is that I'd remember it if an angel visited me 12 years ago. It's just not something I'd forget. I was only commenting on that part of your post.
@MsLilithJS ""It's just not something I'd forget""
But to laugh sends the message that it would be absurd for anyone else to forget. People forget stuff all the time and then try to remember and they remember. Im not saying that Mary forgot totally but simply that the temporarily forgot.
That was easily discernable since after Jesus reminded them, they didnt agrue with Him.
@j919or I'm sorry to have offended. I just truly found it funny. I honestly cannot imagine someone ever going a day without remembering such an event. There are some events in my life that are (obviously) vastly less grand that I think about nearly every day. To forget something like THAT just seemed funny to me. Again, I'm sorry if I offended. I do hope some people agree that it's at least a bit funny, though. I know when I say something like that and look back on it, I laugh at myself.
Strange that you find temporary memory lapse as unbelievable. Im guessing that you are not being honest here but have a secret motive to discredit theistic arguments and dont know how to pick ur battles. I could be wrong but I wonder why u arent able to let this go and move on.
@MsLilithJS Ok I see your point but I also see that you missed my point. To forget something temporarily is common. It justs means to act as if something werent true. I might forget an appointment but when asked "Do u have an appointments?" I would answer "Oh yeah I forgot" . SO I didnt permanently forget but needed someone to jar my memory.
@j919or Like I said, I am sorry to have offended. I just think in the time they had to go back and search for Jesus, they'd have had time to remember. Plus, something like that would be ingrained in me. Using your appointment example, I have one today and have been thinking about it and planning around it all week. Something like raising the son of god would've been on my mind a lot longer than that. Again, sorry. Peace.
@MsLilithJS Ok so uve never forgotten something very important short term and later remembered it?Perhaps the illustration didnt serve u well since u dwell on ur schedule
Perhaps giving birth to the son of God would have been ingrained in you amd I m sure it was in Mary as well, but the daily chores and experiences of life cause us to forget what is otherwise invisible,at least on a temporary basis
U havent offended my so the sorrys are no longer necessary.This is about discussion n debate
Well, Joseph wasn't the biological father, so maybe he thought, "Hey, maybe if I get lucky, we'll never find Jesus again, and I'll finally be able to "do the deed" with Mary.
The church "fathers" were likely well-aware of the contradictions but were quite assured that these would not be pointed out in their life time. Just like the US making of the "al-CIAda", it is impossible to cover up all the the lies and blatant propaganda and like the church, target anybody who brings that awareness to the public consciousness.
It's a slap in the face to all halfway decent writers that a book as full as plotholes as the bible is the best sold book in the world (And taken almost comically seriously by legions of mostly halfwits.)
Because your mere assertion that they "are all answerable" is just that: a mere assertion. If you expect to be taken seriously, put some effort into it and provide grounds for your claim.
@ProfMTH You're the one making mere assertions and haven't put much thought into why multitudes in history have described the Bible to be "the Word of God". You're the one who has already asserted on your channel that you are atheistic. Seems futile for anyone to speak to you about this, eh!
@KJBman777 As I've said, if you have answers for the Bible blunders, then offer them. Merely claiming they're "all answerable" is nothing. Your continued carrying on without offering any of these purported answers indicates that you have none. So unless and until you have some substance (as opposed to mere whining) to offer, consider yourself ignored.
@ProfMTH Yeah, obviously the "multitudes" in history, most of whom couldn't read, called the bible the word of God, therefore all the logical and textual inconsistencies you're pointing out are invalid! Obviously the majority of people... wait, sorry, my bad: the MULTITUDES of people are right, regardless of what they're saying! If the multitudes of history said there was a city under the Black Sea they'd be right, 'cause there's bunches and bunches of them saying it.
@KJBman777 It is indeed an awesome mystery why multitudes of people, told from childhood that they'd be tortured forever if they didn't describe the Bible as the word of God, would describe the Bible as the word of God. Thought-provoking, no doubt.
@DuhIdiot1 Your comment speaks volumes about your ignorance. "But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant." (1 Corinthians 14:38). You would do well not to go to the atheists for wisdom.
@KJBman777 Heh, if I go instead to the half-coherent ramblings of long-dead Middle Easterners, do you promise it'll give me supreme skill at rattling off non-answers like you just (once again) evinced?
@KJBman777 Well, you're mostly right! He'd ALSO do well not going to theists for wisdom, for there he shall find none.
True wisdom is EARNED. Even the bible makes that observation ( and indeed COMMANDS you to follow that path - but it also COMMANDS you to NOT follow that path... hmm... oh, well, can't win them all... ).
@looncraz Well, you're NOT exactly right. "That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises." (Hebrews 6:12). True wisdom is RECEIVED from the correct source (and atheists aren't it ... oh, well ...).
There are many passages which fit either argument, so let us not go there too much.
The simple fact is that ANYONE who relies on ONE source of information is foolish. Now, if you are so inclined to believe that a book which is completely riddled with contradictions and mistakes is the one true source of all knowledge, then simply ask it where the nearest McDonald's happens to be.
@looncraz " a book which is completely riddled with contradictions and mistakes is the one true source of all knowledge"
See this is how you people "argue". Nowhere have I stated the Bible is the source of ALL knowledge. I said to go to the correct source of WISDOM. Do you even understand the diference?!
As for "contradictions and mistakes", that's your SOURCE's interpretation and a foolish one it is at that.
@KJBman777 Well, we push all of "you people's" arguments together - perhaps unfairly. All sides are guilty of that, though, in all "battles." Still, why would you seek wisdom from book which is so riddled with contradictions and mistakes? Not to mention ridiculous rules. For instance: Don't cut your hair or shave. Don't wear clothing of mixed fibers. Don't let mixed cattle graze together. Kill any who curses their parents. One crop per field. Kill all with different beliefs. It goes on...
@KJBman777 'You're the one making mere assertions and haven't put much thought into why multitudes in history have described the Bible to be "the Word of God".'
The same "multitudes in history" who all claimed the Earth is flat? Or the same "multitudes in history" who could never, to this day, agree with the other "multitudes in history" as to whether the Bible or Quran is the word of God?
Popularity of a claim, past or present, doesn't make the claim true.
I love these videos you're making here dude. I've always wondered that if the bible is the word of God, and God is apparently all powerful and perfect, then why is the bible far from perfect?
The "and yet" of Matt 1:18 (NIV) is interesting: "Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the Law, AND YET did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly." Joseph had the right under the Law to offer a grain offering for jealousy and force Mary to drink 'cursed' water, causing her abdomen to swell and her womb to miscarry (Num 5:11-31). He could have asked the Father to abort the Son, the seed of the Ghost. I guess 2/3rds of the one true god are pro-life.
@myerssa7 Only the NIV has "and yet." I suspect it's the translators' attempt to obscure what the passage is actually saying about righteousness and the Law.
@aggienostic NU 5:11-31 (NIV) says that after a wife has been unfaithful and gone astray, the priest will issue a curse. Three times within the passage it says the curse will cause her womb to miscarry. If she is innocent of procreating with another Person, she will be cleared of guilt and will "be able to have children" (:28). There is no mention of unfaithful men. There is no mention of confession or its consequence on the curse. There is no mention of "coaxing".
These videos of yours are funny! I am a Christian, who can scripture whip you, but they are funny none the less! I hope these video's will get people to look at their bibles with more scrutiny, as it is because of the naysayers, such as your video's which causes me to see if what they are saying is true, or false. Some here take what you say as truth that the bible is full of blunders, and if you don't know scripture, you might believe it. Your stuff is too easy to refute for those who know.
so, just because you define your god as intangible, you think you can get away without presenting evidence for its existence? most gods were intangible, on what basis (other than indoctrination of course) do you reject them?
The person I was replying to made the statement that he had presented evidence but that it went over the video uploader's head, but if you look, it became evident that he never presented any evidence.
I wanted to see if he would catch the sarcasm or if he would take it seriously.
Based on the PM he sent me (he got blocked from making further replies), he took my defense of him seriously.
@ProfMTH You are pretty easy to take down... trust me on that. I think your probem is either you know that there's a reasonable way to explain it, but refuse to do so becasue you cannot stand the fact that you were born into the world a slave of sin... YOu don't want to believe because hate Christianity.
@aggienostic "You don't want to believe because [you] hate Christianity."
Thanks for the ad hominem. Combined with your frequent resort to invective just show how little substance you have to offer. But as I told you under the "Jesus Was Wrong" video, the invective has become tiresome. So I won't be allowing you to post it any longer.
@chapmaned hi . . im a Christian also . . and i also find these vids very funny . . in a real good fun way . . ya i know my scripture and also the custom of ages past . . ya know like how what we would term
'' extended family's '' and how you could trust them to be watching after your kids when your all traveling . . anyway glad to know other Christians like fun things as myself .
@vizulfun Amen on that one! You can tell they are getting their arguements from other source and not their own making... I am friends with a good number of atheists and we respect each other and don't quarrel. ProfMTH is a "script" kiddie: real people do the research and Proffy simply copies / pastes them in. Atheists of this person's type are very lazy and-- quite often I've even heard them say that Jesus was not a Jew. I'm not kidding: Atheists have paper-thin personalities.
Exodus and Numbers are vastly worse. The Chosen People could not get a cup of manna without doubting God, followed by yet another plague, followed by more doubting, followed by another plague....how many plagues could you see til it got through to you?
Very simple. They knew he was special. The point that you forget is the fact that a priest would start at the age of 30. Jesus said about my father's business and thus why so early would be a logical conclusion.
@RepresentingTruth The passage doesn't say anything about "why so early." It says they didn't understand. You should read your Bible and deal with what it actually says, as opposed to what you would prefer it to say.
@ProfMTH Study up on the office of the priest. Noticed at age 30 not 12 when they would be "doing the father's business" You need to brush up on stuff like that before you go on your little rant. That is why I caught that right away. You know just enough of the bible to be dangerous. BTW many Christians also do the same thing that you do. You need to do proper exegesis and hermeneutics of the scriptures.
@RepresentingTruth The passage doesn't say anything about "why so early" or priesthood. Neither Mary nor Joseph were told that Jesus was going to be a priest. Once again, you're trying to rewrite a biblical story so that it makes sense--lots of apologists try that.
@ProfMTH If you were in their shoes would you understand? Nothing like that happen before so who can they go to? Do you think the average priest could counsel them? Would you say Jesus is a great kid but I am the step father and God is the real father? Do you believe parents can figure out everything? You were not given that task and neither was I. Consider the BP oil spill. How many understood how to fix such a problem? Their task was great stop knocking them.
well the recent KJV just took the word "virgin" out of the Bible. So now she was just a young chick. My mom was a young chick when she had me (well not that young) so maybe Im the messiah!!! bow down to me Prof mth... ;)
Joseph is jesus' father the bible says so Jesus says he is from the seed of David it also says the messiah will come from the loins of David Joseph is from the seed of David.
Son of the "Most High". I'm pretty sure that whoever wrote the Bible WAS mostly high. There were Psilocybin mushrooms growing in the area at the time.
Note: The Psilocybe semilanceata mushroom gets its common name from its resemblance to the Phrygian cap. Phrygia was one of the places Saint Paul was known to visit -- frequently.
The Bible is written to make you fill in the blanks through intellegent reflection. Moses was the first to do this. JOSHUA 1:8"...meditate on it (The Bible) day and night, so that you may be careful to do everything written it it. Then you will be prosperous and successful." Please think before any more ridiculous videos are made.
@beholdtheageofold Torah,Torah! This should have been already included in the Bible if it is relevant to the Old Testiment. Never the less, Jesus nailed the law to the cross so he could bring us to a new understanding of Peace. Nobody is capable of being 100% sin free. The Catholics count rosary beads to gain forgiveness. The Jews and the Muslims have simular practices to overcome sin. The old days required sacrifice which god fufilled with sacrificing his only son, Jesus, the lamb of god.
@mrwebber35, Jesus didn't nail any part of and law to a cross. Your follow Nazi propaganda altered into the Gospels by the Catholic Church. Clearly you believe in the rich man who wore the purple robe and not in Lazarus.
@beholdtheageofold You have never read the New Testiment. Colossians 2:13-14 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.
@mrwebber35 Filling in the blanks as an ancient jew would get you stoned to death, every single time. You were supose to STUDY the bible (which is what meditate implies) and do EXACTLY what it told you. Nothing more, nothing less.
@MrHobiecat John 8:7 ..."If any of you are without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone..." That is Jesus my friend. The New Testiment is about peace, what god is trying to teach us but as far as i can tell, everyone who wants the Old Testiment to rule us just isn't Christian or is in some kind of trance that won't allow them to understand the words of peace. Peace means truth and the light and the everlasting. NOT mayham, lies, darkness and the short term.
@mrwebber35 that is jesus alright, condeming EVERYONE as deserving of eternal punishment, even if it means you have to MAKE UP BS to call a sin, such as the act of BEING BORN, or calling someone a fool is equal to murder. If you really buy into that kwrap, be honest, if we dragged YOU out and beat you within an inch of your life, then nailed YOU to a cross till you died, would you honestly shrug it off and say "Well, I guess I had this coming, after all, I was BORN!" ????
@MrHobiecat Collossians 4:6 Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone. "EXACTLY" LOL
@mrwebber35 and BTW, moses supposively WROTE the first five books of the bible, including the part that discribes his OWN DEATH, and what the jewish people did AFTER HE DIED.
Mary and Joseph were just caught off guard. It had been 12 years of vertually nothing miraculous happening and then, boom, Jesus starts acting god like. Remember they were in a frantic state trying to find little Jesus and he tells them they should have expected this to happen. Kinda shocking don't you think.
@ProfMTH Remember 9/11 and how shocked you were in 2001. It has been 10 years since that horrific event and none of us I believe will ever forget how incredible an event that was. Now lets just say you went downtown with one of your young children and that child went missing. I immagine that you and you spouse would become frantic to find that child if you hadn't seen him or her for hours. Then a large plane hits the building near you just as you find the kid.Your minds would not be very clear
@ProfMTH I say vertually nothing happening because the Bible records all incredible miracles but no one else has recorded them anywhere else. The first clue to this is that they were caught off guard. If Jesus acted god like before then they could not have been caught off guard. It must have been a new thing for both of them.
@ProfMTH An example of "forgetting incredible things" is littered throughout events of biblical history. Even as recent [in Christ's gospel] as Zachariah being struck mute was witnessed by ALL the temple congregation (luke 1:20-22)...for 9 MONTHS he was this way. But immediately when he wrote down the name of "John", his tongue was loosened and he began prophesying, SCARING everyone (Luke 1:64-66). Zech talked all his life, but for 9 months he didn't...yet quickly, this became the norm.
The bigger problem is that luke says he is writing eyewitness testimony, then describes the events of the birth of jesus, including his geneology all the way back to adam, and thing herod said and did in secret. Luke could not possibly have seen these things for himself, so who REALLY told him what to write. Esp things like jesus being ALONE in the desert for 40 day, NOBODY was there, so NOBODY was an eyewitness, but luke wrote the stories anyway. Do you smell what I smell? a scam, a scam!
@beholdtheageofold The fact that jesus and john were cousins, and johns father a temple priest, only adds to the likelyhood the two of them conspired to pull a cult scam on the jewish people. The accounts say "when john first saw jesus approaching (to be baptised) he said "behold the lamb of god...." why didnt he say "behold MY COUSIN JESUS, the lamb of god..... whom I have known since I was a child! ????
@MrHobiecat They couldn't have been cousins. In Lke 1;1 scholars attest that this "King of Judea" is Herod senior the Father of Antipas who ruled from 37 BC to 4 AD. The true messiah was John the Baptist. John never saw Jesus Christ. He is Jesus. How can he have called Jesus the lamb of God, when Matthew's genealogy applies to John the Baptist? John' was born 11 generations after the Babylonian captivity, and was full human. Read Matt 1;17. Jesus being son of God his genology should be Lke 3's.
The only thing that could have made this video is if, just after the "you will have a son" from Gabriel, then we hear an unzipping sound and gabriel moves closer to mary, and then porno music plays
Um, hey, just so you know, I'm God in the flesh. Yes, again. And I'm kind of strapped for cash right now, so I'll need all of yours. I'll pay you back in paradise, scout's honor.
@jamaicanlager What does god need with a star ship? (ie. 'money') Cut and paste " WHAT DOES GOD NEED WITH A STAR SHIP " into YouTube' s search bar to see my answer.
This is the problem with taking the Bible literally. The messiah that the Jews were expecting, including Mary and Joseph, was a political saviour who would save them from the ruling Romans... not a religious leader.
I was trying to think of something witty to argue here when I realized that I'm sick with a cold and hopped up on NyQuil. Nothing funny is coming to mind that would argue well here. So I'm just going to ask that you tell me, plain and simple, what your oddity is here. That Mary and Joseph didn't understand the whole, "In my Father's house" thing?
@HumanSeekingTruth Despite all Mary and Joseph had been told and all that they had witnessed, the Gospel of Luke would have us believe that they still didn't understand who Jesus was.
@ProfMTH That was upwards of 12 years earlier and with the poor nutrition back then, their memories likely weren't so good. Jesus is lucky they remembered they had a son and how to get back to Jerusalem.
@ multimixvideos You do realize that at that time, the average age of marriage was 12-14, and that the girl often married a man much older than her, often between the ages of 20-40. You call it nonsense but it's most likely what happened considering the period and the region. Mary was most likely 14 and Joseph was most likely in his late twenties to mid thirties. You're judging by your own culturally biased perspective
@Christopher71488 interesting you should say that. there is a well known christian song that they used to make my kid sister sing at school and one of the lines is something like 'oh joseph the old man, joseph the old carpenter man with his young wife' i'm guessing the guy was in his 50's personally.
Why is this a BLUNDER? Mary, as any sinful human being, lost sight of who her son really was. I mean, WOULDN'T YOU, if YOU were the one changing his diapers, if YOU were the one calling him to dinner, if YOU were the one that tucked him into bed? Come on man!
jondabill1 5 days ago
@jondabill1 So she "lost sight" of her conversation with the angel Gabriel, her becoming pregnant while a virgin, the other miraculous circumstances surrounding her pregnancy and the birth of her son, is that correct? All of these things, which the gospel tells us she kept and pondered in her heart, just drifted away once she started changing diapers and calling Jesus to dinner?
ProfMTH 5 days ago
@ProfMTH She had twelve years in which to "lose sight" of it, as you say. The Israelites in Exodus had merely hours and days to forget about the miracles God performed in saving their lives from the Egyptians. How about America today? It didn't take US long to forget our Godly heritage and the words of our Founding Fathers. Our constitution is only 225 years old, but we have forgotten COMPLETELY about its significance.
jondabill1 4 days ago
@jondabill1 "She had twelve years in which to "lose sight" of it, as you say."
"Lost sight" was" was your formulation. I'd appreciate direct answers to my direct questions. She "lost sight" of her conversation with Gabriel, her becoming pregnant while a virgin, the other miraculous circumstances surrounding her pregnancy & son's birth, correct? All these things, which the gospel says she kept & pondered in her heart, drifted away once she started changing diapers & calling Jesus to dinner?
ProfMTH 4 days ago
(con't) @jondabill1 "Just stick with the KJV"
Oh, please. Keep the KJV-only bullshit to yourself.
ProfMTH 4 days ago
@ProfMTH Thanks pal. The issue of the KJV was PERTINENT to the issue at hand in THAT VERSE in question, but apparently, you are so FULL of yourself that you think that what you relied with a reasonable response. THINK, next time buddy.
jondabill1 3 days ago
@ProfMTH Direct answers? What question did you pose that I didn't answer? Yes, she got caught up in the "royal family" there and probably started thinking that Joseph was Christ's Father, or at the LEAST should have been looked at as thus. She called Joseph Christ's Father, and then Christ corrected her and said absolutely NOTHING about any home, like the new versions, but told her about his REAL Father's BUSINESS. To an extent, she lost sight of who he was after 12 years!
jondabill1 3 days ago
@jondabill1 "Direct answers? What question did you pose that I didn't answer?"
The ones I asked. See above.
"...she got caught up in the "royal family" there and probably started thinking that Joseph was Christ's Father, or at the LEAST should have been looked at as thus."
So you're seriously contending that the woman no longer recalled that she had been impregnated as a virgin, is that correct?
"she lost sight of who he was after 12 years!"
She forgot a virginal conception?!
ProfMTH 31 minutes ago
@ProfMTH Secondly, you quoted a new translation that messed up the passage. Just stick with the KJV, it helps a great deal. Jesus did NOT say, "Don't you know I have to be IN MY FATHER'S HOUSE?". He REALLY said, "Wist ye not that I must BE ABOUT MY FATHER'S business?". NOW...Jesus was already working in Joseph's workshop and learning the carpentry trade, BUT... now, he steps out and says that his FATHER'S business involved people, the law, and salvation, not construction.....
jondabill1 4 days ago
@ProfMTH ...He replied in this fashion BECAUSE his mother (Mary) called Joseph his Father. Read the text. He is correcting her. Mary was fallible....eh, so are you, and the book isn't.... Have a nice day!
jondabill1 4 days ago
JUST BECAUSE YOUR GRAN MA BEAT YOU AND FORCED YOU TO GO TO CHURCH WHEN YOU DIDN'T WANT TO IS NO REASON TO HATE THE BIBLE AND JESUS THIS MUCH MAN!!!!!!!!
MrTommyt63 1 week ago
@MrTommyt63 You should look up the ad hominem fallacy and learn to avoid it in future. BTW, I don't hate the Bible or Jesus. But even if I did, the argument rises and falls on its merits. That's what you have to deal with as a believer and what you have sought to avoid in a most ham-handed way.
ProfMTH 1 week ago
Luke 2:49-50 KJV
And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.
perez85tkd 2 weeks ago
@perez85tkd I know what the passage said. I quoted it in the video. Why are you posting it?
ProfMTH 2 weeks ago
I can't believe that there are some rational, thinking adults who still believe this crap. We are now in the second decade of the 21st century -- when will people "wise up" and get with the program???
markedwardindc 1 month ago
Why does joseph look like Brett Mckenzie?
paraplegicgiraffe 1 month ago
I can hear it now...Christian apologist says, "Just like in modern times, there were visitation rights for Jesus' father. Mary and Joseph had just temporarily forgotten the terms imposed by the courts. Come on atheists, is this the best you've got?"
ChipArgyle 1 month ago
I don't understand why the virgin birth is so important as a doctrine - if Joseph was not the biological father of Jesus then Jesus can not be the Messiah!
MrToby9999 1 month ago
"The son of the most high" Lol Snoop Dog??!
smallpanzer 1 month ago
@smallpanzer HAHAHAHAHA! YES!
palerider1775 1 month ago
Joseph and Mary did not understand why God had to be in the temple, when He hadn't been in the temple for His first twelve years; He never did this before, so why start now?
carlsonap16 3 months ago
...like a kid
j919or 3 months ago
i thought this was a good one and don't understand why some think it's weak. the whole "they didn't remember" argument is just plain ridiculous. the apologist motto is "make it fit no matter what" just like you said in your response at the top
pinkus44 3 months ago
Not so good this time. The gospel may have not explicitly meant, that they never had known, but just that they didn't remember. But that it is in the same gospel makes it still a inconsistent.
MardasMan 3 months ago
Mary = MILF!
ralph17p 3 months ago
@ralph17p Correction, "VILF", she remained a "virgin".
a1mint 3 months ago
@a1mint "Correction, 'VILF'"
LOL.
ProfMTH 3 months ago
this particular passage confused me for similar reasons like how could they "misplace their son" and didn't their son break the "honor thy mother and father rule"... well Joseph isnt Jesus' dad and dad trumps mum.. so no disobedience done.. but how do you loose your kid?... it was explained to me that the whole tribe would have gone together so they would have thought Jesus was with the other kids it was only when they bunked down they noticed he was gone
abominableangel 4 months ago
@abominableangel
According to how I've always heard the story, the "holy family" didn't go with their whole tribe (and didn't live in a tribe), they were part of a carravan of people traveling to Jerusalem on a pilgrimage, and there were several relatives in the caravan; so they thought that Jesus was with one of them.
But I yes, I agree, that that was sinfully negligent parenting.
SinnFein4ever 4 months ago
Their concern for their son and their confusion I guess I can understand. What I don't get is how one can lose the Son of God himself. One would't want to lose any child, but losing Jesus? That is just hilarious. And in a temple no less. What if there was any priest there that had dirty intentions towards him?
wojciechkolacinski 4 months ago
he was playing hookey from school
EGMAG 4 months ago
lol. The story is a fabrication.
not25yet 4 months ago
This is good $hit! I'm enjoying this series.
88rat88 4 months ago
@88rat88 Thanks. I'm glad you're enjoying it.
ProfMTH 4 months ago
@ProfMTH ""glad you're enjoying it.""
Hell wont be so enjoyable. This one is stupid for if they didnt understand what he was saying is too vague to build any kind of case in either direction. For any part of what he was saying could be the intent. Like for example why did he need to be in his fathers house and for how long couldve been their question/misunderstading. Plus they may have forgotten what was revealed to them 12 years prior.
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or "Hell wont be so enjoyable."
That's your worry not mine.
"Plus they may have forgotten what was revealed to them 12 years prior."
Yeah, it's easy to forget a virgin conceiving and giving birth to a child. It's easy to forget being visited by a supernatural being who tells you that your child is the son of the divine sovereign of the universe. It's easy to forget being told by an angel to run for your lives to another country and then told by the same angel to return when...
ProfMTH 4 months ago
(con't) @j919or ...it was safe. And so on. Please.
Once again, apologists are willing to say ANYthing, no matter how ridiculous, no matter how contrary to the scriptures they claim to be defending.
ProfMTH 4 months ago
@j919or I know you've already been replied to, but I just love your last line. They forgot? I laughed! Yeah, they forgot. That's really easy to forget, isn't it? Seriously, thanks for making me smile.
MsLilithJS 3 months ago
@MsLilithJS Now Im smiling at how dumb you can be in ur dream world. Check it. 12 years go by and Jesus is just a normal boy, loving and obedient but doing nothing miraculous to remind them of what was told to them 12 years prior. So Jesus is in the temple teaching at 12 and they are worried. If they remembered who He was they wouldnt have been worried.
If the writer wanted to make Jesus' divinity more believable he wouldve had the parents calling him god and worshipping him not treating him
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or All I'm saying is that I'd remember it if an angel visited me 12 years ago. It's just not something I'd forget. I was only commenting on that part of your post.
MsLilithJS 3 months ago
@MsLilithJS ""It's just not something I'd forget""
But to laugh sends the message that it would be absurd for anyone else to forget. People forget stuff all the time and then try to remember and they remember. Im not saying that Mary forgot totally but simply that the temporarily forgot.
That was easily discernable since after Jesus reminded them, they didnt agrue with Him.
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or I'm sorry to have offended. I just truly found it funny. I honestly cannot imagine someone ever going a day without remembering such an event. There are some events in my life that are (obviously) vastly less grand that I think about nearly every day. To forget something like THAT just seemed funny to me. Again, I'm sorry if I offended. I do hope some people agree that it's at least a bit funny, though. I know when I say something like that and look back on it, I laugh at myself.
MsLilithJS 3 months ago
@MsLilithJS it is funny and unbelievable
pinkus44 3 months ago
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@pinkus44 ""it is funny and unbelievable""
Strange that you find temporary memory lapse as unbelievable. Im guessing that you are not being honest here but have a secret motive to discredit theistic arguments and dont know how to pick ur battles. I could be wrong but I wonder why u arent able to let this go and move on.
j919or 3 months ago
@MsLilithJS Ok I see your point but I also see that you missed my point. To forget something temporarily is common. It justs means to act as if something werent true. I might forget an appointment but when asked "Do u have an appointments?" I would answer "Oh yeah I forgot" . SO I didnt permanently forget but needed someone to jar my memory.
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or Like I said, I am sorry to have offended. I just think in the time they had to go back and search for Jesus, they'd have had time to remember. Plus, something like that would be ingrained in me. Using your appointment example, I have one today and have been thinking about it and planning around it all week. Something like raising the son of god would've been on my mind a lot longer than that. Again, sorry. Peace.
MsLilithJS 3 months ago
@MsLilithJS Ok so uve never forgotten something very important short term and later remembered it?Perhaps the illustration didnt serve u well since u dwell on ur schedule
Perhaps giving birth to the son of God would have been ingrained in you amd I m sure it was in Mary as well, but the daily chores and experiences of life cause us to forget what is otherwise invisible,at least on a temporary basis
U havent offended my so the sorrys are no longer necessary.This is about discussion n debate
j919or 3 months ago
The best part is the two parents dragging their butts half way across the desert before noticing. Lol!
Amashkitotamoes 5 months ago
@Amashkitotamoes
Well, Joseph wasn't the biological father, so maybe he thought, "Hey, maybe if I get lucky, we'll never find Jesus again, and I'll finally be able to "do the deed" with Mary.
;)
SinnFein4ever 4 months ago
The church "fathers" were likely well-aware of the contradictions but were quite assured that these would not be pointed out in their life time. Just like the US making of the "al-CIAda", it is impossible to cover up all the the lies and blatant propaganda and like the church, target anybody who brings that awareness to the public consciousness.
brightsorcerer 5 months ago
Their 4 exits away from Jerusalem and Joseph turns to Mary and asks "Where is your God now?"
snappycatchy 5 months ago
@snappycatchy lol
ProfMTH 5 months ago
epic video
karmasbeeoch 6 months ago
@karmasbeeoch Thanks.
ProfMTH 6 months ago
Jesus erased their memories to cover up naughty things he did as a kid
fratbrotha 6 months ago
@fratbrotha It's as plausible as any other explanation I've heard. Perhaps even more plausible. ;-)
ProfMTH 6 months ago
comedy gold ;)
I did wonder about the same things myself a couple of times.
TheStigma 6 months ago
@TheStigma Glad you enjoyed it.
ProfMTH 6 months ago
It's funny how Jesus looks like Justin Beiber.
SumTheAtheist 9 months ago
It's a slap in the face to all halfway decent writers that a book as full as plotholes as the bible is the best sold book in the world (And taken almost comically seriously by legions of mostly halfwits.)
TheSkunkCat 9 months ago
Very funny!
Seasurf88 9 months ago
Of course, all your so-called "blunders" are all answerable. You just don't want "God".
KJBman777 9 months ago
@KJBman777 "Of course, all your so-called "blunders" are all answerable."
Then answer them.
ProfMTH 9 months ago
@ProfMTH Why?
KJBman777 9 months ago
@KJBman777 "Why?"
Because your mere assertion that they "are all answerable" is just that: a mere assertion. If you expect to be taken seriously, put some effort into it and provide grounds for your claim.
ProfMTH 9 months ago
@ProfMTH You're the one making mere assertions and haven't put much thought into why multitudes in history have described the Bible to be "the Word of God". You're the one who has already asserted on your channel that you are atheistic. Seems futile for anyone to speak to you about this, eh!
KJBman777 9 months ago
@KJBman777 As I've said, if you have answers for the Bible blunders, then offer them. Merely claiming they're "all answerable" is nothing. Your continued carrying on without offering any of these purported answers indicates that you have none. So unless and until you have some substance (as opposed to mere whining) to offer, consider yourself ignored.
ProfMTH 9 months ago
@ProfMTH I'll leave the whining to you - after all, your channel's one big gripe.
KJBman777 9 months ago
@KJBman777 "I'll leave the whining to you - after all, your channel's one big gripe."
LOL! So you have no "answers" to offer. As I suspected. Thanks.
ProfMTH 9 months ago
@ProfMTH Yeah, obviously the "multitudes" in history, most of whom couldn't read, called the bible the word of God, therefore all the logical and textual inconsistencies you're pointing out are invalid! Obviously the majority of people... wait, sorry, my bad: the MULTITUDES of people are right, regardless of what they're saying! If the multitudes of history said there was a city under the Black Sea they'd be right, 'cause there's bunches and bunches of them saying it.
andymcgaha 8 months ago
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@andymcgaha it doesnt mean many believes in one thing then they are right..
princerexor 8 months ago
@KJBman777 It is indeed an awesome mystery why multitudes of people, told from childhood that they'd be tortured forever if they didn't describe the Bible as the word of God, would describe the Bible as the word of God. Thought-provoking, no doubt.
DuhIdiot1 7 months ago
@DuhIdiot1 Your comment speaks volumes about your ignorance. "But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant." (1 Corinthians 14:38). You would do well not to go to the atheists for wisdom.
KJBman777 7 months ago
@KJBman777 Heh, if I go instead to the half-coherent ramblings of long-dead Middle Easterners, do you promise it'll give me supreme skill at rattling off non-answers like you just (once again) evinced?
DuhIdiot1 7 months ago
@KJBman777 Well, you're mostly right! He'd ALSO do well not going to theists for wisdom, for there he shall find none.
True wisdom is EARNED. Even the bible makes that observation ( and indeed COMMANDS you to follow that path - but it also COMMANDS you to NOT follow that path... hmm... oh, well, can't win them all... ).
looncraz 7 months ago
@looncraz Well, you're NOT exactly right. "That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises." (Hebrews 6:12). True wisdom is RECEIVED from the correct source (and atheists aren't it ... oh, well ...).
KJBman777 7 months ago
@KJBman777 Okay.
1 Thessalonians 5:21
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Notice the word PROVE. ;-)
There are many passages which fit either argument, so let us not go there too much.
The simple fact is that ANYONE who relies on ONE source of information is foolish. Now, if you are so inclined to believe that a book which is completely riddled with contradictions and mistakes is the one true source of all knowledge, then simply ask it where the nearest McDonald's happens to be.
looncraz 7 months ago
@looncraz " a book which is completely riddled with contradictions and mistakes is the one true source of all knowledge"
See this is how you people "argue". Nowhere have I stated the Bible is the source of ALL knowledge. I said to go to the correct source of WISDOM. Do you even understand the diference?!
As for "contradictions and mistakes", that's your SOURCE's interpretation and a foolish one it is at that.
KJBman777 7 months ago
looncraz 7 months ago
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@KJBman777 'You're the one making mere assertions and haven't put much thought into why multitudes in history have described the Bible to be "the Word of God".'
The same "multitudes in history" who all claimed the Earth is flat? Or the same "multitudes in history" who could never, to this day, agree with the other "multitudes in history" as to whether the Bible or Quran is the word of God?
Popularity of a claim, past or present, doesn't make the claim true.
boenrobot 7 months ago
@KosherWarrior ;-)
ProfMTH 9 months ago
I love these videos you're making here dude. I've always wondered that if the bible is the word of God, and God is apparently all powerful and perfect, then why is the bible far from perfect?
operationmiller 9 months ago
@operationmiller "I love these videos you're making here dude."
I'm glad you're enjoying them. :-)
ProfMTH 9 months ago
@ServeTheWay Can I buy pot off of you?
Jonstern1983 10 months ago
Dang mary is hot!! stupid parrents left their mini god child at wal-mart and had no clue!! lol!l lol
skunksnag 10 months ago
The "and yet" of Matt 1:18 (NIV) is interesting: "Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the Law, AND YET did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly." Joseph had the right under the Law to offer a grain offering for jealousy and force Mary to drink 'cursed' water, causing her abdomen to swell and her womb to miscarry (Num 5:11-31). He could have asked the Father to abort the Son, the seed of the Ghost. I guess 2/3rds of the one true god are pro-life.
myerssa7 10 months ago
@myerssa7 Only the NIV has "and yet." I suspect it's the translators' attempt to obscure what the passage is actually saying about righteousness and the Law.
ProfMTH 10 months ago
@myerssa7 Where do you find pregnancy listed in the verses? The ritual is purely to coax the unfaithful (men, too) into confessing.
aggienostic 10 months ago
@aggienostic NU 5:11-31 (NIV) says that after a wife has been unfaithful and gone astray, the priest will issue a curse. Three times within the passage it says the curse will cause her womb to miscarry. If she is innocent of procreating with another Person, she will be cleared of guilt and will "be able to have children" (:28). There is no mention of unfaithful men. There is no mention of confession or its consequence on the curse. There is no mention of "coaxing".
myerssa7 9 months ago
These videos of yours are funny! I am a Christian, who can scripture whip you, but they are funny none the less! I hope these video's will get people to look at their bibles with more scrutiny, as it is because of the naysayers, such as your video's which causes me to see if what they are saying is true, or false. Some here take what you say as truth that the bible is full of blunders, and if you don't know scripture, you might believe it. Your stuff is too easy to refute for those who know.
chapmaned 10 months ago
@chapmaned "These videos of yours are funny!"
Glad you enjoy them.
"I am a Christian, who can scripture whip you...."
I've yet to see any evidence of that.
ProfMTH 10 months ago
@ProfMTH Then, if you are an unbeliever, you aren't paying attention! Yes, I love your video's. I show evidence, but it goes over your head!
chapmaned 10 months ago
@chapmaned This ProfMTH is so stupid. He doesn't realize that evidence for something intangible, must be intangible as well.
sleazybtd 10 months ago
@sleazybtd
so, just because you define your god as intangible, you think you can get away without presenting evidence for its existence? most gods were intangible, on what basis (other than indoctrination of course) do you reject them?
for your own sake, I hope you're a poe.
sineupp 10 months ago
@sineupp It was sarcasm, so I guess I am a poe
The person I was replying to made the statement that he had presented evidence but that it went over the video uploader's head, but if you look, it became evident that he never presented any evidence.
I wanted to see if he would catch the sarcasm or if he would take it seriously.
Based on the PM he sent me (he got blocked from making further replies), he took my defense of him seriously.
sleazybtd 10 months ago
@sleazybtd He's not blocked.
ProfMTH 10 months ago
@ProfMTH Oh nice. A lying christian. How novel.
sleazybtd 10 months ago
@ProfMTH You are pretty easy to take down... trust me on that. I think your probem is either you know that there's a reasonable way to explain it, but refuse to do so becasue you cannot stand the fact that you were born into the world a slave of sin... YOu don't want to believe because hate Christianity.
aggienostic 10 months ago
@aggienostic "You don't want to believe because [you] hate Christianity."
Thanks for the ad hominem. Combined with your frequent resort to invective just show how little substance you have to offer. But as I told you under the "Jesus Was Wrong" video, the invective has become tiresome. So I won't be allowing you to post it any longer.
ProfMTH 9 months ago
@chapmaned hi . . im a Christian also . . and i also find these vids very funny . . in a real good fun way . . ya i know my scripture and also the custom of ages past . . ya know like how what we would term
'' extended family's '' and how you could trust them to be watching after your kids when your all traveling . . anyway glad to know other Christians like fun things as myself .
vizulfun 10 months ago
@vizulfun Amen on that one! You can tell they are getting their arguements from other source and not their own making... I am friends with a good number of atheists and we respect each other and don't quarrel. ProfMTH is a "script" kiddie: real people do the research and Proffy simply copies / pastes them in. Atheists of this person's type are very lazy and-- quite often I've even heard them say that Jesus was not a Jew. I'm not kidding: Atheists have paper-thin personalities.
aggienostic 10 months ago
@aggienostic How, if at all, does any of what you've said address the biblical discrepancies highlighted in this video?
ProfMTH 10 months ago
the son of the most HIGH, so the son of snoop dog?
wayneqjr 10 months ago
You recognise who it was they used for the face of Joseph? LOL
ChariotOfFaith 11 months ago
Thanks for the post.
Thearl 11 months ago
LOL! Reminds me of "Slums of Beverly Hills": "You think you're their father? I'm their father! I'M THEIR FATHER!"
cleanhomer 11 months ago
Exodus and Numbers are vastly worse. The Chosen People could not get a cup of manna without doubting God, followed by yet another plague, followed by more doubting, followed by another plague....how many plagues could you see til it got through to you?
InternetDarkLord 11 months ago
Very simple. They knew he was special. The point that you forget is the fact that a priest would start at the age of 30. Jesus said about my father's business and thus why so early would be a logical conclusion.
RepresentingTruth 11 months ago
@RepresentingTruth The passage doesn't say anything about "why so early." It says they didn't understand. You should read your Bible and deal with what it actually says, as opposed to what you would prefer it to say.
ProfMTH 11 months ago
@ProfMTH Study up on the office of the priest. Noticed at age 30 not 12 when they would be "doing the father's business" You need to brush up on stuff like that before you go on your little rant. That is why I caught that right away. You know just enough of the bible to be dangerous. BTW many Christians also do the same thing that you do. You need to do proper exegesis and hermeneutics of the scriptures.
RepresentingTruth 11 months ago
@RepresentingTruth The passage doesn't say anything about "why so early" or priesthood. Neither Mary nor Joseph were told that Jesus was going to be a priest. Once again, you're trying to rewrite a biblical story so that it makes sense--lots of apologists try that.
ProfMTH 11 months ago
@ProfMTH If you were in their shoes would you understand? Nothing like that happen before so who can they go to? Do you think the average priest could counsel them? Would you say Jesus is a great kid but I am the step father and God is the real father? Do you believe parents can figure out everything? You were not given that task and neither was I. Consider the BP oil spill. How many understood how to fix such a problem? Their task was great stop knocking them.
RepresentingTruth 11 months ago
@RepresentingTruth "Do you believe parents can figure out everything?"
They didn't have to figure out anything. It was told to them.
ProfMTH 11 months ago
@ProfMTH Then why make this video?
RepresentingTruth 11 months ago
@RepresentingTruth "Then why make this video?'
To highlight the oddity.
ProfMTH 11 months ago
well the recent KJV just took the word "virgin" out of the Bible. So now she was just a young chick. My mom was a young chick when she had me (well not that young) so maybe Im the messiah!!! bow down to me Prof mth... ;)
MercuryRis 11 months ago
Joseph is jesus' father the bible says so Jesus says he is from the seed of David it also says the messiah will come from the loins of David Joseph is from the seed of David.
sxmimpaler 11 months ago
Son of the "Most High". I'm pretty sure that whoever wrote the Bible WAS mostly high. There were Psilocybin mushrooms growing in the area at the time.
Note: The Psilocybe semilanceata mushroom gets its common name from its resemblance to the Phrygian cap. Phrygia was one of the places Saint Paul was known to visit -- frequently.
politicoochie09 1 year ago
Mary (to Joseph) Durrrp?
Joseph (to Mary) Hurrrppp?
dabigq 1 year ago
The Bible is written to make you fill in the blanks through intellegent reflection. Moses was the first to do this. JOSHUA 1:8"...meditate on it (The Bible) day and night, so that you may be careful to do everything written it it. Then you will be prosperous and successful." Please think before any more ridiculous videos are made.
mrwebber35 1 year ago
@mrwebber35 Joshua 1;8 is speaking about the Torah (i.e. 613 Laws) not the Bible.
beholdtheageofold 1 year ago
@beholdtheageofold Torah,Torah! This should have been already included in the Bible if it is relevant to the Old Testiment. Never the less, Jesus nailed the law to the cross so he could bring us to a new understanding of Peace. Nobody is capable of being 100% sin free. The Catholics count rosary beads to gain forgiveness. The Jews and the Muslims have simular practices to overcome sin. The old days required sacrifice which god fufilled with sacrificing his only son, Jesus, the lamb of god.
mrwebber35 1 year ago
@mrwebber35, Jesus didn't nail any part of and law to a cross. Your follow Nazi propaganda altered into the Gospels by the Catholic Church. Clearly you believe in the rich man who wore the purple robe and not in Lazarus.
beholdtheageofold 1 year ago
@beholdtheageofold You have never read the New Testiment. Colossians 2:13-14 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.
mrwebber35 1 year ago
@mrwebber35 Filling in the blanks as an ancient jew would get you stoned to death, every single time. You were supose to STUDY the bible (which is what meditate implies) and do EXACTLY what it told you. Nothing more, nothing less.
MrHobiecat 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat John 8:7 ..."If any of you are without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone..." That is Jesus my friend. The New Testiment is about peace, what god is trying to teach us but as far as i can tell, everyone who wants the Old Testiment to rule us just isn't Christian or is in some kind of trance that won't allow them to understand the words of peace. Peace means truth and the light and the everlasting. NOT mayham, lies, darkness and the short term.
mrwebber35 1 year ago
@mrwebber35 that is jesus alright, condeming EVERYONE as deserving of eternal punishment, even if it means you have to MAKE UP BS to call a sin, such as the act of BEING BORN, or calling someone a fool is equal to murder. If you really buy into that kwrap, be honest, if we dragged YOU out and beat you within an inch of your life, then nailed YOU to a cross till you died, would you honestly shrug it off and say "Well, I guess I had this coming, after all, I was BORN!" ????
MrHobiecat 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat Collossians 4:6 Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone. "EXACTLY" LOL
mrwebber35 1 year ago
@mrwebber35 and BTW, moses supposively WROTE the first five books of the bible, including the part that discribes his OWN DEATH, and what the jewish people did AFTER HE DIED.
Meditate on that for a while Yogi!
MrHobiecat 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat Supposively....
mrwebber35 1 year ago
Mary and Joseph were just caught off guard. It had been 12 years of vertually nothing miraculous happening and then, boom, Jesus starts acting god like. Remember they were in a frantic state trying to find little Jesus and he tells them they should have expected this to happen. Kinda shocking don't you think.
mrwebber35 1 year ago
@mrwebber35 "Mary and Joseph were just caught off guard. It had been 12 years of vertually nothing miraculous happening...."
How do you know that? Moreover, had they forgotten the incredible things they'd witnessed?
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH Remember 9/11 and how shocked you were in 2001. It has been 10 years since that horrific event and none of us I believe will ever forget how incredible an event that was. Now lets just say you went downtown with one of your young children and that child went missing. I immagine that you and you spouse would become frantic to find that child if you hadn't seen him or her for hours. Then a large plane hits the building near you just as you find the kid.Your minds would not be very clear
mrwebber35 1 year ago
@ProfMTH I say vertually nothing happening because the Bible records all incredible miracles but no one else has recorded them anywhere else. The first clue to this is that they were caught off guard. If Jesus acted god like before then they could not have been caught off guard. It must have been a new thing for both of them.
mrwebber35 1 year ago
@ProfMTH An example of "forgetting incredible things" is littered throughout events of biblical history. Even as recent [in Christ's gospel] as Zachariah being struck mute was witnessed by ALL the temple congregation (luke 1:20-22)...for 9 MONTHS he was this way. But immediately when he wrote down the name of "John", his tongue was loosened and he began prophesying, SCARING everyone (Luke 1:64-66). Zech talked all his life, but for 9 months he didn't...yet quickly, this became the norm.
jpmay26 1 year ago
@jpmay26 lol What?
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH lol...sorry (not used to framing replies with a character limit)
The conversation was between you and mrwebber35 about "being caught off guard after 12 years had passed".
Your reply argued "who could forget the incredible things they'd witnessed...even if 12 years passed?"
My reply shares a more recent biblical example of people forgetting about an incredible event in as little as 9 months.
jpmay26 1 year ago
The bigger problem is that luke says he is writing eyewitness testimony, then describes the events of the birth of jesus, including his geneology all the way back to adam, and thing herod said and did in secret. Luke could not possibly have seen these things for himself, so who REALLY told him what to write. Esp things like jesus being ALONE in the desert for 40 day, NOBODY was there, so NOBODY was an eyewitness, but luke wrote the stories anyway. Do you smell what I smell? a scam, a scam!
MrHobiecat 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat lets not forget the fact that he had been dead for a while when jesus was born, but the bible is filled with zombies
bjam89 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat Have you ever noticed that Luke's genealogy of Jesus should apply to Jesus and Jesus's genealogy to John the Baptist?
beholdtheageofold 1 year ago
@beholdtheageofold The fact that jesus and john were cousins, and johns father a temple priest, only adds to the likelyhood the two of them conspired to pull a cult scam on the jewish people. The accounts say "when john first saw jesus approaching (to be baptised) he said "behold the lamb of god...." why didnt he say "behold MY COUSIN JESUS, the lamb of god..... whom I have known since I was a child! ????
MrHobiecat 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat They couldn't have been cousins. In Lke 1;1 scholars attest that this "King of Judea" is Herod senior the Father of Antipas who ruled from 37 BC to 4 AD. The true messiah was John the Baptist. John never saw Jesus Christ. He is Jesus. How can he have called Jesus the lamb of God, when Matthew's genealogy applies to John the Baptist? John' was born 11 generations after the Babylonian captivity, and was full human. Read Matt 1;17. Jesus being son of God his genology should be Lke 3's.
beholdtheageofold 1 year ago
Gabriel is pimping for god.
bustermk2 1 year ago
The only thing that could have made this video is if, just after the "you will have a son" from Gabriel, then we hear an unzipping sound and gabriel moves closer to mary, and then porno music plays
would be funny as
Plausiblesarge 1 year ago
You just confirmed Jesus' divinity rather than debunking Mary and Joseph's confusion ! Awesome Job !
ors712 1 year ago
@ors712 "You just confirmed Jesus' divinity rather than debunking Mary and Joseph's confusion ! Awesome Job ! "
What?
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH Yup, from the beginning Jesus knew exactly who he was, Son of God
ors712 1 year ago
@ors712 And, according to the New Testament, so did Mary and Joseph. Hence the problem.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ors712
Holy wow, are you really that gullible?
Um, hey, just so you know, I'm God in the flesh. Yes, again. And I'm kind of strapped for cash right now, so I'll need all of yours. I'll pay you back in paradise, scout's honor.
jamaicanlager 1 year ago
@jamaicanlager Scout's honor? That's all you got?
mrwebber35 1 year ago
@jamaicanlager What does god need with a star ship? (ie. 'money') Cut and paste " WHAT DOES GOD NEED WITH A STAR SHIP " into YouTube' s search bar to see my answer.
mrwebber35 1 year ago
damn, where was jerry springer when all of this was going on?
excellentsourceof 1 year ago
This is the problem with taking the Bible literally. The messiah that the Jews were expecting, including Mary and Joseph, was a political saviour who would save them from the ruling Romans... not a religious leader.
This is why Mary and Joseph didn't understand.
kiranignatius 1 year ago
*RINGS BELLS*
JeannotvanBerlo123 1 year ago
Is that orlando bloom 1:08 ?
dragonofthedarknight 1 year ago
@dragonofthedarknight No. But you're not the first to notice the resemblance. I didn't see it until people started saying it.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
I was trying to think of something witty to argue here when I realized that I'm sick with a cold and hopped up on NyQuil. Nothing funny is coming to mind that would argue well here. So I'm just going to ask that you tell me, plain and simple, what your oddity is here. That Mary and Joseph didn't understand the whole, "In my Father's house" thing?
HumanSeekingTruth 1 year ago
@HumanSeekingTruth Despite all Mary and Joseph had been told and all that they had witnessed, the Gospel of Luke would have us believe that they still didn't understand who Jesus was.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH That was upwards of 12 years earlier and with the poor nutrition back then, their memories likely weren't so good. Jesus is lucky they remembered they had a son and how to get back to Jerusalem.
AceOfSevens 1 year ago
@AceOfSevens LOL!
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ multimixvideos You do realize that at that time, the average age of marriage was 12-14, and that the girl often married a man much older than her, often between the ages of 20-40. You call it nonsense but it's most likely what happened considering the period and the region. Mary was most likely 14 and Joseph was most likely in his late twenties to mid thirties. You're judging by your own culturally biased perspective
Christopher71488 1 year ago
@Christopher71488 interesting you should say that. there is a well known christian song that they used to make my kid sister sing at school and one of the lines is something like 'oh joseph the old man, joseph the old carpenter man with his young wife' i'm guessing the guy was in his 50's personally.
TheNightWriter101 1 year ago
I hadn't seen this one. Good point.
geoffsuncle 1 year ago
@geoffsuncle Thanks.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
Haha good one. I've read all the gospels but this slipped by me. It's fun to catch things like that in the bible.
evoman1776 1 year ago
@evoman1776 Thanks.
ProfMTH 1 year ago