I don't think I've seen anyone keep fencing so well post flunge. Is he deliberately using the out of distance flunge as a time changer or are these real attacks that miss?
It's no good to criticize Cyrus for misusing the term attack if you can't offer a better term. What's the best term other than "attack" for a series of attacks, invitations, and preparations? I'd be inclined to call it a "march".
In 0:32 you said "He can afford to hold like this more than most people can because it is so hard to pull him short." What do you mean by the term 'pull him short'
To CyrusofChaos: @ 6:09 you're stating that one weak point of Smart's "huge-range" attack is that it's being counterattacked easily. However, if you look closely at the following action, Keith is not attacking, but preparing, and doing that while compromising the distance, so Pillet is the one who makes an attack. So the action is: ATTACK FROM THE RIGHT. You even contradict yourself in your commentary @ 6:26 - "He HOLDS at the last second..."
Well it depends on what you view as an attack isn't it. I think the point being made here is because of the nature of a long-range attack, he needs more preparation and hence he gets counter attacked more easily. And what Pillet did was a counterattack essentially, so theres no contradiction in terms actually.
To Husamalia92: Modern rules of saber fencing lead us to believe that you have to attack to be counterattacked. If your are PREPARING regardless of the reason, you are NOT attacking. So if you are PREPARING and get hit, you're being ATTACKED in PREPARATION. FYI: attack is defined as continuous movement of the blade threatening target. In the action that we're discussing, Keith is simply advancing.
@CyrusofChaos Hmmm, no contradiction? He (Keith) makes a huge-range ATTACK.... HOLDS... and GETS COUNTERATTACKED easily... I believe that you'd agree with me, that you can't counterattack someone who is not attacking you. Therefore, if Keith does HOLD (pulls the arm back while advancing), Pillet's action, in modern fencing, is called ATTACK in preparation.
Nice video overall, but if you could edit description of the last action, would make it a higher quality product.
@Stan4ik75 whenever i say attacking i mean moving forward in a way that if he were to get a light on it would be his touch. by this definition a fencer can hold while attacking, people like lapkes hold a lot while they are attacking. and at many points in his attack so does keeth. when i say attack in prep, i only mean the situation in the first zone when you can get two lights and the director will call it noncorrect. otherwise if it needs one light to get the touch i will call it a counter
Nice video and good analysis. Some questions:
I don't think I've seen anyone keep fencing so well post flunge. Is he deliberately using the out of distance flunge as a time changer or are these real attacks that miss?
It's no good to criticize Cyrus for misusing the term attack if you can't offer a better term. What's the best term other than "attack" for a series of attacks, invitations, and preparations? I'd be inclined to call it a "march".
Should sabre have dedicated foot judges?
teeesen 3 months ago
In 0:32 you said "He can afford to hold like this more than most people can because it is so hard to pull him short." What do you mean by the term 'pull him short'
Crypton16 10 months ago
@Crypton16 pull him short just means make him miss
CyrusofChaos 10 months ago
I laughed at 3:37 because I do the same exact thing at my gym hahahahaha
woohoo4576 1 year ago
To CyrusofChaos: @ 6:09 you're stating that one weak point of Smart's "huge-range" attack is that it's being counterattacked easily. However, if you look closely at the following action, Keith is not attacking, but preparing, and doing that while compromising the distance, so Pillet is the one who makes an attack. So the action is: ATTACK FROM THE RIGHT. You even contradict yourself in your commentary @ 6:26 - "He HOLDS at the last second..."
Stan4ik75 2 years ago
Well it depends on what you view as an attack isn't it. I think the point being made here is because of the nature of a long-range attack, he needs more preparation and hence he gets counter attacked more easily. And what Pillet did was a counterattack essentially, so theres no contradiction in terms actually.
Husamalia92 2 years ago
To Husamalia92: Modern rules of saber fencing lead us to believe that you have to attack to be counterattacked. If your are PREPARING regardless of the reason, you are NOT attacking. So if you are PREPARING and get hit, you're being ATTACKED in PREPARATION. FYI: attack is defined as continuous movement of the blade threatening target. In the action that we're discussing, Keith is simply advancing.
Stan4ik75 2 years ago
@Stan4ik75 im not contradicting myself, apparently my terminology is slightly different from other peoples. i would be happy to clarify if you want
CyrusofChaos 1 year ago
@CyrusofChaos Hmmm, no contradiction? He (Keith) makes a huge-range ATTACK.... HOLDS... and GETS COUNTERATTACKED easily... I believe that you'd agree with me, that you can't counterattack someone who is not attacking you. Therefore, if Keith does HOLD (pulls the arm back while advancing), Pillet's action, in modern fencing, is called ATTACK in preparation.
Nice video overall, but if you could edit description of the last action, would make it a higher quality product.
Stan4ik75 1 year ago
@Stan4ik75 whenever i say attacking i mean moving forward in a way that if he were to get a light on it would be his touch. by this definition a fencer can hold while attacking, people like lapkes hold a lot while they are attacking. and at many points in his attack so does keeth. when i say attack in prep, i only mean the situation in the first zone when you can get two lights and the director will call it noncorrect. otherwise if it needs one light to get the touch i will call it a counter
CyrusofChaos 1 year ago
keeth crosed over on the flunge
but other than that its a great vid
civmc 2 years ago
My bad, it starts at 2:50
cplmontana1 2 years ago
3:03 That is a loooooong attack...the footwork from Keeth is amazing.
cplmontana1 2 years ago
Woo! Hendrix! lol
epeemstr316 2 years ago