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  • this is a welcome change from the usual version of events from the allied/ American point of view of the battle of the bulge. not supporting nazis of course but its important for viewers to get both sides of the story.

  • Great, western cowards never will be strong as Germans were.

  • Must be Goebbels narrating, cause they got their ass kicked...

  • Tank jou U.S.A ! If jou were not come with D-day i was german ( iam dutch 10 km to the ardenne)

  • 4:08 Looks more like a mass execution of captured U.S Troops not a  raid. Thumps up if you agree.

  • Anyone with just a bit of brains and basic knowledge of ww2 knows that the war was concluded on the eastern front.

    9 out of 10 german soldiers were killed on the eastern front along with 80% of tanks, trucks and other german ground combat material.

    Who knows why the western front scenario receives a lot of the attention. Because of Hollywood? Because America eventually destroyed the soviet union who defeated the nazis? You tell me...

  • If it wasnt for America there would be no Soviet Union for it to Destroy. America supplies Russia with Supplies for Russia so it could fight Germany also those brave German soldiers pretty much all the time fought the Russians to Death before surrendering

  • @Krispolle the americans took italy and africa and prety much destroyed the nazi fleet

  • @Krispolle Stalin: Please please, help us America, do something...I assassinated 50,000 of my Army officials and we are stupid...

  • @LootsEr On the WF things as hand2hand combat did not happen.It was a army of machines that strom forth and broke the thin chains of brave, but exhausted defenders.The yanks did not take any risks.For every little defensive line that had 2 be taken, even if it was just some small feild fortifications & trenches with a 100 defenders, they first send in numerous bomber-planes that turned the whole place upside down.Then came just as many fighter planes that with their machineguns & Rockets

  • usa would have got there arses kicked if it was a more fairer fight,allies won because there vestly out numbered the germans,if germany would have found oil in libiya or ukrain i think they would have war,

  • It is also notable that after the Ardennes offensive Hitler openly said* the war was lost, and it was now his duty to make sure that 1918 was never to happen again.

    *(To Von Below, his Luftwaffe adjutant)

  • 1:14

    does anybody the name of the brief sound track ?

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  • This video makes the Germans look like good and honest soldiers, what is this? A propaganda movie? ... We should always be gratefull to the allied forces for killing this scum and saving Europe. There were definitely good men among these German soldiers, but most of them were just no more than evil monsters and it's a good thing they are rotting in hell.

  • Epic music from 1:15 to 1:35, thats the music that I want the gun cabinet to play automatically every time I take out the Mauser K98.

  • My Grandfather (2nd Armored Division) chased these 5th Panzer boys out of Africa and back into Europe, then pushed them all the way across France and Belgium. BTW the footage of the dead Americans looks like the Malmedy Massacare where the Germans shot unarmed American POW's and they were latter tried and convicted, 43 Germans where sentenced to death by hanging for this war crime.

  • @talk57 You bombed the Japanese to the ground. So, maybe USA and Great britain wasnt that good in WW2 either. I have seen American officers point their tommy guns to civial people and scream to them, looks almost like a robbery.

  • @Zukatsr125 Thanks for proving my point, reactionary force in response to an offensive aggression. Officers pointing guns and yelling, ohhhh versus mass execution of un-armed POW's. Thank you for proving the United States maintained the moral high ground in this instance.

  • @talk57 To bomb and kill 1 million japanese civials is alot more, when Waffen-ss killed 90 US soldiers. Maybe 90 soldiers is worth more then 1 million japanese?

  • @Zukatsr125 246,000 died as a result of the 2 atom bombs, your 1 million number is fiction, want to talk about Germany deaths, I mean they had an organized system for executions, in that aspect 1.1 million CHILDREN were murdered, on top of the 8 million other civilians murdered by the Nazis 5.9 million Jews, 2 million Polish, etc etc. Point at the U.S Officer pointing a gun and yelling... right... yeah in your mind that's the same..right...

  • @talk57 So your saying that US were better then Nazi germany? in the World at war documentary they say 1 million dead. Yes the top of the leaders of Nazi germany thought it was OK to kill jews ect.. But, alot of officers and soldiers were good too. Do you have any sources for those numbers?? yeah right right dude..

  • @Zukatsr125 I'm so glad you asked, my source for the Nazi civilian casualties comes from Dr. Wilhelm Höttl a PH.D in history... oh and an SS Officer in the German Army. In Japan the civilian deaths include those that died from starvation because the average caloric intake dropped to 1500 calories a day, as opposed to 1900 pre-war.

    Gil Elliot, Twentieth Century Book of the Dead C. Scribner, 1972 ISBN 0684131153

    Sivard, Ruth Leger World Military and Social Expenditures 1985

  • @talk57 You have to agree, that this documentary is quite good? David Cole-The HOLOCAUST Is Fake pt 1 ,, im not a nazi, people just stamp, for an example Nazi Germany. People also stamp muslims ect, I cant accept it.

  • @Zukatsr125 That is one book of thousands and one officer of a couple of thousands.

  • This gives you a really good perspective of the German side of the war

  • How smart everyone are and they weren´t even there, hilarious! :-D

  • Der Heldenkampf war wirklich eindrucksvoll. Danke fuers Hochladen!

  • Interesting that German propaganda described this as a "raid" (in the beginning of the clip) rather than an offensive. I suppose the belief was that the people would be better able to accept that a "raid" had failed rather than that an "offensive" had failed.

  • I was thinking this would be a documentary and it turns out to be stinky Nazi propaganda.

  • @WilliamMarshall01 propagandas interesting: it makes you wonder how many of the german defenders really thought they still had a chance, and how many knew they were just trying to stall the allies and get a better deal at the surrender table. generals must have known the war had been lost since around 1941 deciding to invade russia

  • I do admire the German army's tactical prowess, it was indeed unmatched. However, combine that with the ideologies of Hitler and it is a dangerous combination.

  • from a practical persepective, one does not waste time over a farm house, one blows it up and moves on! war means speed!!

  • Patton's forces pulled out of a battle they were already fighting and went over 100 miles in two days to save the men involved in the Battle of the Bulge. That's one of the greatest military feats in history.

  • lol at the yanks at 2.59.........duh wheres are the burgers at dudes ?

    hhahahahahahaha

  • stupid big mouth dumb yanks hahahah.

    you were only 2 years late for that war werent ya ?

    You had no Brits in Vietnam did ya ?

    Whats your excuse for getting your asses kicked by rice eating skinny peasants ?

    hahahahahahahah

  • The Germans startled the Americans for a minute,but then America just opened up on em.

  • Thank God for Men like Patton, Eisenhower, you English Men would still be stuck in France... isn't that right sajuuk1212 what is this a Gay number we hear their more gays in England then staight men.. Maybe the Germans just picked a fight at the wrong time

  • long live germany and sweden!

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  • America is the best!

  • @NuclearHendrix only if they win Vietnam...

  • @NuclearHendrix

    Really?! "The study results showed that Allied success was only assured (with some exceptions) where their overall power superiority was very great. In cases where the power ratio favored the Allies only marginally, the Germans were usually successful. In situations where the power ratio suggested an indeterminate outcome, the Germans were invariably the "winner", just as they were when the ratio was in their favor". Trevor Dupuy, US Military Historian and WW2 Vet

  • @nethead4223 The only stat that matters is who won the whole enchilada.

  • @NuclearHendrix

    The US is very close to bankruptcy and your president asked germany and china to export less. LooL. So much for your enchilada. US hegemonie is done. Adios muchachos...

  • @nethead4223 Talk about the newsreel and keep your America hating bulls*it to yourself!

  • @MrTennesseeVols

    I suggest you address this to the guy starting the off-topic "beef" bullshit and ask him to keep his german hating bullshit to himself.

  • @nethead4223 Nonsense. The swing would be attributed to logistics and familiarity to terrain. Being that since the involvement of the allies the German army was in retreat ,of course they would have an edge due to familiarity of the battlefield.

  • this guy always gives an over-the-top and convincing narration

  • we all should admire the morale of german army, they fought hard in the western frontier even though they were severly outnumbered by the allies.

  • @codename47ist And same time,they were fighting hard whit the Russians in Eastern front.

  • @codename47ist they also had good moral when they were killing jews

  • @codename47ist Yeah lets "ALL ADMIRE and cheer" the PERPETRATORS OF MASS MURDER.. You should ASK THOSE WHO OPPOSED THESE A55H0l35 if we should "ADMIRE" these JAGOFFs

  • At 2:04 that's Joachim peiper picking up the panzerfaust.

  • ilverbroke what fool idea was that to send 200000 soldiers instead of keeping them to defend berlin... hitler was abad comander.. underestimate allies.. see how americans reacted.. with humor.. they knew they cant loos e from this army.. no airforce no artiliiery only rifles.. for 2 weeks germans stepped 5 kilometers.. after the sky was better it was all over.. this is the fact.. german soldier was prooved low level ability.. .. nuts!!!

  • first of all the war was lost at moscow,second in the bulge without air support the allies were a beaten unit,third the russians won ww2 prehaps on their own

  • @kg02170 The russians won on their own? if so, only because Stalin helped Hitler enslave most of Europe and gain all of that slave labor before Hitler turned and attacked Russia too.

  • @robertmoffatt Ok fine,look man where was the war won....realistically.....the battle for Moscow,Bloodiest battle in WW2,now i ask whenthe russian offensive began,the Germans were still very very strong,in 1944 Dday,were they as strong?????Where were their best Divisions,of course on the eastern front,im not debating what the us done for the ussr or Britain only,pointing out the main threat .ie the russians this is where was fought

  • fuck all u historians

  • America entered the war because the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, and then Hitler and Mussolini declared war. It's very sad. I like Japanese, Germans, and Italians, but they chose war.

  • It was a powerful offensive, but it didn't have enough strength, it was about 250,000 german troops against almost a million allied troops. Nonetheless they inflicted some 89,000 casualties on the americans alone, including over 19,000 fatalities in about five weeks of fighting. But I think these troops would have been of better use on the eastern front to fight the russians.

  • @bombarderoazul it was 500,000 troops against a 80,000 front which was absolutely new however after the tenth day there was no cloud cover which in turn won the battle of the bulge for the allies

  • nice

  • So an unnamed American Diplomat approved reparations and set the wheels in motion for all of world war two? I see... Did not get the memo on that one. What I did get is Germany invaded poland in aug of 39" and nine short months later, had the mighty British army swimming the channel for home at Dunkirk. Why is that? Why did a German corporal build the mighty (illegal) Panzer army and push you British into the sea? These are just facts. Correct me if I am wrong.

  • Lets look at the Facts: France and England made Germany pay trillions for losing WW1. 20 years later, Hitler built the biggest war machine, totally illegal according to the WW1 treaty, and BRITAIN AND FRANCE, did JACK SHIT to stop them. This war is their fault, not Hitlers. Just the Facts. European Leadership??? WHEN?.....WHERE?.....

  • @DIOSpeedDemon facts? lets have at one fact youre missing shall we? it wasnt just france and england that put the treaty of versaille on germany, America had a massive role to play in the treaty of versaille, infact they were one of the central forces in its terms creation! Sorry to burst youre bubble dude but america shoulders as much blame for ww2 as england, france or any other european nation.

    Plus since u dont even know what rthe treaty was called I think youre just spweing up shit as u go

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  • @sajuuk212 America had nothing to do with the treaty.

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  • @sajuuk212 1111

  • @sajuuk212 The war was started in Europe and ended in Europe. America had nothing to do with the Versailles treaty or the demand from Britain and France for massive war reparations. We we not there when the first war started or the second. America just saved Europe as usual. We implored that no reparations be demanded and that the war was over and get on with it. Hitler rose to power right under Britain and France's nose and they did nothing, as usual.

  • @DIOSpeedDemon actually america was one of the biggest supporters of FRANCE's demands for reperations, its the american diplomat who got that approved, twas actually british prime minister lloyd george who opposed reperations not the US. Really dude wikpedia has more correct facts about this than you I think

    And as for "saved" europe you didnt save anyone, you tipped the balance thats all and america only entered both wars for its own selfish reasons not to save anyone

  • @DIOSpeedDemon seriously where do you people get the impression that you the US entered the wars as a charity to save a nearly defeated allie? in both wars we were holding our own anyway (shame the french cant say the same but I digress)

    America only entered these wars when they came under threat, ww1 when germany was caught trying to persuade mexico to go to war with them and ww2 when the japanese and hitler declared war first , you were no different to any of us europian nations am afraid

  • @sajuuk212 America entered the war for our own reasons, nothing to do with a threat to our country. America could level any country back then and they can do it 1000 times over today. All great empires fall and my America will fall one day, but not today and not in your lifetime. You need to study the total history of both wars, the real history, before you spout your nonsense. Britain should have stopped Hitler the moment he broke the treaty and you know it.

  • @DIOSpeedDemon : Britain requested our help after Hitler had basically taken ALL of Europe. Many don't realize Hitler's U-boats were also literally off of our (USA) coast. He had sites on America next.

  • @BiologicalUnit2380 Germany is the size of OREGON. That is one state in fifty , in the United States. Hitler needed to keep millions of men on the eastern front, millions to hold conquered europe, THEN have the men and Materiel' to launch and sustain an invasion force half way around the world. Only a Foreigner, non American would think this was possible. I am beginning to thing that the movie "BraveHeart" was not a historical movie, but a commentary on modern european life...

  • @DIOSpeedDemon: You make a good point, but size, in terms of square miles, is irrelevant to a certain degree. Hitler conquered Europe yet Germany is the size of Oregon....so "conquering" a country involves controlling key cities - not every square mile of the country. That's why he tried Stalengrad, Moscow to take all of Russia. Failed, obviously, but only after a frikin blood bath on both sides.

  • @DIOSpeedDemon negitive,if you believe this you are quite misled,without the ussr you would be speaking german,have no doubt the war was won on the eastern front,starting with the failure to take moscow think about it 7 to 1 in the eastern conflict with 5 dying to every one german put these germans on the western front with air support .....bye bye guten-tag

  • @kg02170 Napoleon took Moscow completely. Napoleon did Not Win. The RUssians were brilliant in their plan to fight the midget by not fighting him. Napoleon and Hitler dreams of conquest of Russia, teaches us one clear lesson in history: Dont fuck with the soviets and stay the hell off thier soil at all costs.... (or be buried there)

  • @DIOSpeedDemon your country entered for its own reasons? ... so not because japan attacked you and hitler declared war on the usa a few days later or anything like that? no cause thats got nothing to do with joining the war you were just being nice ... somehow mate I think its you who needs to get his head out the clouds and stop "spouting nonsense" ... sorry mate but if american had its own way it would have happily sat on the side lines taking money and sending supplies froma distance...

  • @sajuuk212 I'm writing this because my Grandfather was there for WW1 then 35 years later my Day and his 3 brothers are over there...

    What about that Dumb shit head PM Chamberlin who trusted the Germans. If we did stay here with our head in the clouds, Your beatles would have song in German

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  • @sajuuk212 Happily sat on the Sidelines??? It was not our war, mate. Japan was our war but HItler wanted no part of America. We saved Europe in WW1 and let Europe lie in its own bed when it LET HITLER REBUILD ITS WAR MACHINE AGAINST THE VERSAILLES TREATY OF 1917. THese are just the facts, crocodile dundee. Hitler sunk the Lusitania which was loaded with arms to help out the British. Hitler warned that it was a war zone and stay clear. Hitler just kept his word like any Proud German. RH DSD

  • @DIOSpeedDemon Lusitania was sunk during WW1; it was torpedoed by a German U-boat U-20 on 7 May 1915! So Hitler had no part in that one I'm afraid. And the Treaty of Versailles was signed on 28 June 1919, not 1917. So those facts your on about are slightly off.

  • @brownsey1 THE POINT IS: Germany publicly declared the area a WAR ZONE. That ship was full of arms and the Germans considered it a threat. The owners of that boat should have gone to prison for letting those people in harms way.

  • @DIOSpeedDemon Dear God ! At last ! Someone who knows what he is talking about !

    These stupid people who bang on about who did what and who should have done this or other, do they not realise that in WW2 we ALL needed each other. As an Englishman I say thank god we did have America to help and support us !

  • @sajuuk212 British were not holding their own, they were in danger of being starved and strangled by German U-boats bringing goodies from America until the very end of the war.

    Why not just say "thank you"

  • @robertmoffatt well say thank you to the british in the desert war,where you were beaten

  • @kg02170 why? The british might have lost themselves without all the gear the U.S. Sent them to Egypt around Africa. Apparently it is fairly common to lose at first ... remember Dunkirk? Norway? Singapore?

  • @DIOSpeedDemon Actually if you care to research the facts the bulk of Germanys "war machine", tanks and planes were not built in Germany pre-war but in other european countries, ironically one of those being Czechoslovacia !

  • I'd like to ask that Kraut if he seen whether or not America was first. The bulge was closed in 2 weeks and 6 months later Hitler was dead and the third Reich kaput.

  • @clintonearlwalker The Bulge was closed at a cost of some American Units at an 80% death rate. The Germans were really good fighters and everyone knew it. RH DSD

  • @DIOSpeedDemon They weren't that good, the chose the wrong enemies, and too many of them.

  • @DIOSpeedDemon General Patton's troops kicked ass! They marched 100 miles in two days fighting in every town they went through,destroying what was left of the Wehrmacht's troop reserves

  • Nazi propaganda.

    Propaganda, the coordinated attempt to influence public opinion through the use of media, was skillfully used by the Nazi Party in the years leading up to and during Adolf Hitler's leadership of Germany (1933-1945).

  • 1944 or today?

  • yep...the FOXNEWS of its era.

  • Goebbles is having a field day on here!

  • Lack of Fuel , supplies for the Offensive and lack of Experienced personnel for example Tank drivers, with little driving experience and given the key to Drive a 70 Ton TigerII. Its one of my Fav Offensives, but way out of Reach.

  • Stupid Counter Attack. Impossible aims/objectives. An typical attack from an enemy in its death throes.

  • germans kick ass!

  • That was until Patton got involved and the weather changed! It was stupid of the Germans to exhaust their reserves in this battle. If they would have held off from using the reserve troops, the war could have lasted until 1946.

  • What? Impossible the war to last for Germans until 1946. The amount of personnel and equipment that was used wouldn't be enough to contain the Russians in the Oder campaign. Since the war for germans ended with Berlin that was the main reason for the Ardennes offensive to mean relativly normal losses. And even if they had an army. Nuclear Bombs would be at disposal before that. Germans loss the war in Stalingrad and Tobruk.

  • @DavidVolfan If the Battle of the Bulge had been successful for the germans the war could still have had been won even though the germans were losin on the eastern front the reason why hitler lauched a offensive against the western front was hitler wanted to concentrate the rest of his resources to the east the western front was smaller in comparison to the east hitler had over 2/3 million troops on that front while the west had half a mill the soviet army at that time had the biggest army

  • I have to disagree. My father was 19 and in the Ardennes in November 44'. He said Hitler had used all his soldiers by then and he was fighting little kids and old men. Most of the soldiers manning the D Day front, were not even German. Successful at doing what exactly? German would have to push the Americans off of Europe to be successful.

  • @DavidVolfanIf and had to be dealt with first if hitler could concentrate the rest of his resources on the east that would have given the nazis time to produce their advance weapons such as the ME-262 and the other miracle weapon that would have definatly turned the tide of the war against the allies

  • @DavidVolfan I would suggest that required reading for you should be, The Battle of the Bulge by Charles Whiting. It my help to dispel the myth of Patton and explain who it was that was able to get three divisions to the key target for the Germans. the crossing at the river Meuse,a whole two days before Patton even began his celebrated dash to Bastogne. It was also the same person who was given command of more American divisions than all the other American commanders combined.

  • My dad was wounded and captured during the Ardennes Offensive. He remained a POW until the end of the war.

    87th infantry division

  • Spidergear1, is your dad still alive. I'd love to hear his accounts.

  • Yes, my father is still living. He wrote down most of his accounts from the war. He will be 84 in Dec.

  • Sepp Deitrich was commander of Liebstandarte SS formerly served on Eastern Front and set the tone for the Ardennes offensive. It was his men who initiated the Malmedy massacre of GI prisoners.

  • its one the great conspiracies of WW2

  • Not a conspiracy. Something went wrong or the SS just got out of control and killed a bunch of prisioners that was condicioning their strike. Typical SS.

  • In December to early Jan they were very subessfull. Especially cuz the foggy weather. The allies could not use any air support against the german heavy tanks (many King Tigers were used in this battle) which were superior to any allied tank. Also the allies were not prepared. So you see witout airsupport the allies have a problem. In late January the wether was fine and germans were driven back to the original positions.

    About 15000 dead on each side.

  • Germans put up a good fight. they started with the right idea of bieng on the cutting edge of technology. but they lost amission twards the end of the war. they still contributed to the jet fighter, IRBMs and even made the worlds first assult rifle. all came to late thow....

  • They were a pain in the ass.

  • si los alemanes hubieran tenido una fuerza aerea mas moderna de seguro los americanos se van con lo puesto de europa

  • Hitlers letzte und grösste kriminelle Handlung. Diese Truppen hätten den Ostfront halten können. Statt desem haben wir eine ungeheurlige Vergewaltigung von Frauen und Kinder im Osten gesehen.

  • ummmm....wha?...i didnt know they had a german youtube...

  • Was?  Ich nicht verstehen. Spechen Sie Duetsch?

  • whaaaaa? can somebody translate for me plzzz lol

  • Propaganda right there,they might have well said no german deaths at all

  • lol

    thats one arrogant german

    so how was that 40 years of east germany being occupied by the U.S.S.R? we should never have even bothered invading france and left your whole freakin country to the russians. They would have inevitably crushed you on their own anyway!

  • lol the translation sucks ass.......like he says nebelwerfers and its translates into rocket launchers in german it translates into fog throwers and the germans really did call it that

  • hitler- americas best general

  • at this time wacht am rhein was the last active charge of german wehrmacht - and they realized once they have been pushed back that their experienced but tiered and weakend troups have no chance in a long run against an enemy coming from all sides.

  • Also they were highly outnumbered. It was mostly the world against germany and japan. Italy was a piece of crap.

  • By this time Italy was no longer a ally of germany.

  • Meanwhile, on the Vistula in Poland, the Soviets were building up the most massive force ever seen in warfare; 2.5 million men, 6,500 tanks, and 40,000 heavy guns and rocket launchers, for the final offensive into Germany. The moron Hitler orders months' worth of heavy tank and machine gun production to the western front, starving the doomed German army facing the Soviets, just at the time they needed everything they could get.

  • Propaganda.

  • This is an awesome video! Thanks for posting. My name is Tim and I have just published a book all about the German military buildup prior to the launching of this massive offensive operation. The title of my book is: WACHT AM RHEIN. You can purchase it through Amazon and Barnes and Noble through their online website. Or, you can purchase it through my publisher, Xlibris.

  • "America first? we'll see about that!", awesome line there.

  • yes but didnt we win three times 1918 1945 and 1966

  • so?

  • just goes to prove how crap as an army the germans were

  • ja a crap army that some how defeated many nations and threatened to take over the europe entirely.

  • In all of those wars, it's been the World ganging up on Germany, especially with the U.S. being a major economic power during WWII. In WWI, the major players on the "Allied" side were Great Britain, France and Tsarist Russia, and in this war Germany won on the Eastern Front and not a single enemy soldier had crossed into German land.

    Had the odds been more fair and not a 20 to 1-war, Germany would've won both major World wars, or at least negotiated a peace (but the Allies didn't want peace).

  • yes but they still lost crap soldiers crap aircraft crap tanks in fact useless all round oh yes didnt they lose ww1 as wel oh and the world cup 1966 just not to good at anything oh apart from building work camps ???????????? work not

  • The losses against Great Britain, France and the U.S. were rather low and in most cases it was you who lost most men and material. The Germans had great tanks, especially by the end of the war (Tiger, Panzer, etc.), and their assault rifle (which gave way for the modern AK47), etc. The soldiers were disciplined and well-known fighters, especially the Waffen-SS units drawn from Germany and all of Europe, and of much better quality than the Allied soldiers. To me it seems you're just jealous.

  • Everyone, check out the book called Duel in the Mist, by AFV Modeller!. Its expensive , but its got probibly the most intense accounts of KG Peiper at Stoumont.

  • dont forget a lot of americans in world war II lied about their age and said they were 18 to sign up but were really 17 or 16. dont tell me germans were the best or bravest

  • its not Germans that were the best of Bravest, it was the German Doctrine of Battle on which makes the Germans so fearful. I dont blame any US troops that wanted to fight at an early age, Different times.

  • The Germans were undoubtedly the bravest and the best of this war; they were engaged in war against a gigantic Communist Imperialist regime to the East that sought to turn Germany and all of Europe into Soviet Republics, and then the Plutocratic Powers of Oligarchy to the West (Great Britain, France and especially the U.S.)

    That is, the British Empire, France and the emerging super powers the U.S. and the USSR versus basically Germany alone (although Waffen-SS units from all of Europe fought).

  • The Germans were brave, but I don't know if I'd say they were more brave than the Japanese. The Germans were one of the countries that started the war and bit off more than they could chew. So, they ended up with no choice, but to fight a hopeless war that they brought on themselves against just about the whole world. The American soldiers that died in the battle of the bulge were over there fighting because the Euros couldn't get along.

  • The Germans or Hitler never asked for a new World War, and that wasn't what they had in mind when they invaded Poland which took place for several reasons (hint: WWI, Treaty of Versailles, German ethnic minority and abuse). Hitler was probably the last person who wanted another World War, he had fought in WWI and been wounded, nearly blinded and awarded for bravery.

    The U.S. entered the war because they were tired of just lend-leasing the British and the Soviets, they wanted "some action" too.

  • The Americans weren't out to punish the Germans after WWI...The French and Brits were out for blood and that led to a bitter generation of Germans. So I blame the French and British partly for WWII. Hitler didn't want a two front war, but he knew he was going to invade Russia. What did the Germans expect to happen when they invaded Poland by the way? Wine and Roses? They knew they were gonna piss off the same countries that went to war with them in the first world war.

  • I agree; it wasn't the Americans that wished for Germany to get humiliated and mistreated after WWI, it was the British and the French, in particular the British as the Germans were a threat to their Empire's hegemony. Well, I agree, but think about it: he had a Communist Imperialist regime at his doorstep, a regime that wished to expand its borders and turn all of Europe (or all of the World) into Soviet Republics. Beside that, research suggest Stalin was planning a future war with Germany...

  • ...and so the German invasion came preemptively to hopefully achieve a relatively fast victory because the Soviets (or Stalin) had already failed in Finland and not too long ago wiped out their military leadership (Stalin's purges and paranoia).

    Hitler wanted to regain the lost territories of WWI and not have a sizable German minority under foreign control. These were called Volksdeutsche. The problem here is the war guarantee that the Polish got from the British and French prior to the war.

  • You do realise that all you're doing is reeling off the same bollocks that the nazi propaganda machine did to justify the war to the German public, it's practically verbatim. Haha, you sound like your trying to imitate Goebbels spouting out all this shite. Have you recently read an introduction to Nazi doctrine and think you know a thing or two?

  • The problem is, it's not propaganda at all. Who says it's propaganda? Of course the Victors of the War all claim it's propaganda in post-War times, they have to justify themselves in the war to their people and portray the Germans as the sole responsible part of the war, especially to "denazify" the Germans once the war was over. All the guilt belonged to the Germans, but not a single word has been said about the USSR and its Imperialism nor the problem with the Polish Corridor. Get a clue.

  • It's not propaganda at all? ha, are you serious, regardless as what the victors said, it was deemed propaganda by the German's themsleves during the war, The ministry of popular enlightenment and propaganda was responsible for the majority of media output in Germany. How is it not propaganda when it was recognised as such by the nazi's themselves?

  • Are you saying that there was not a sizable German ethnic minority in the former German land of Poland, a minority that was under constant abuse and terror by the Poles? What exactly did the Germans admit was "propaganda"? The announcement of the Polish abuses against the Germans were certainly not portrayed as "propaganda" by the Germans, because it was a fact and they knew it; the "Allies" on the other hand might've claimed it was propaganda. That was always their agenda.

  • I would think that relations between Poles and ethnic Germans had always been peaceable enough. I would be interested to know if you have any historical material that would shed light on this topic of "relations".

  • it was information released by the media to influence the public to the regime's point of view, it was propaganda. So you don't believe any of the atrocity stories released by the Nazi's concerning Poland were fabricated? not even when it was blatantly an attempt to justify an invasion to a public who feared a large scale war. it was imperitive for the nazi's to have a "just" cause, its why they for example, attacked their own radio transmitters in the guise of poles. to stir hatred and support

  • There was no need to stir up public opinion on the question of the Polish-German corridor with the use of "propaganda", people knew already. They remembered WWI and when Germany was arbitrarily cut into pieces by the Allies, to humiliate her and denounce her role as a power in Europe. (The Brits in particular were pushing for this.) They also knew of the atrocities committed by the Poles against the German ethnic minority in Danzig and other former German towns - you've not done your homework.

  • If their was no need then why did they do it...over and over again? and you say that they new about it, how did they know? would it be through the media controlled by the authoritarian regime? now they couldn't possibly have any sort of bias...authoritarian regime's are surely renowned for their objectivity.

  • Of course they have to report about what's going on. But it was no surprise to people, for people knew about the Polish-German relations and that a sizable chunk of their own had suddenly found themselves in foreign territory and in the hands of foreign people. Obviously, this was portrayed as propaganda by the Western Powers, because Germany had to be responsible for the war again as they "were" in WWI (or rather, the Treaty said so). Nothing else mattered.

  • It wasn't portrayed as propaganda by the Western Powers...it was propaganda, Fact. Please be clear on the definition before you again say it was the West portraying it as propaganda. It has also been proven that many of the attrocity stories concerning the German people in Poland were faked in order to justify the invasion of Poland to the German people who did not want to become embroiled in another global conflict.

  • Of course it was. Anything the Germans said was shown denounced as propaganda in the West, the Olympics in Berlin might've been an exception to the rule. That's why - even to this day - anything the Germans said was by definition "propaganda". Right? That's why the reason for them walking into Poland recapturing German territory and liberating their people had to be absolutely false and inaccurate, it had to be an act of IMPERIALISTS! Nothing to do with WWI, no-no! Seriously, get a clue.

  • ok, i did say be clear on the definition. Unfortunately you are again