'come and dance' is called 'dance with me', mariah, debelah, chanté, sharice in that order, if we have to compare, think they all sound awesome though :)
@BrandonMurrell Why don't you specify the [parts] you think are stupid so I can help your understanding? Labeling something as stupid because you LACK knowledge is not an intelligent approach.
MARIAH CAREY IS THE GREATEST FEMALE VOCALIST OF ALL TIME OVER 200 MILLION RECORDS SOLD SHANICE CANT FUC WIT THAT PLUS MC HAS THE BIGGER VOICE WHEN SHE CHOOSE 2. SHANICE B COPING MARIAH ON A LOT OF THESE YOUTUBE VIDEOS.... MARIAH IS THE QUEEN
@JPMigrate Record sales AND vocal prowess are TWO SEPARATE issues! No official body has dare said that MC is the greatest female vocalist, WHAT has been said is that she is the Biggest SELLING female artist in the 90s; so DON'T get it twisted! Shanice Wilson, Barbra Streisand, Patti, etc: These are great singers. MC doesn't have more than 3 octaves because she is ABUSING the false cord to sing her high notes, in short she CHEATS. That's why Babyface said Shanice has an incredible range!
@Kumtekmeon@Kumtekmeon I'm not going to waste my time with a psych ward cases like you, with preaching false statements.
Mariah Carey doesn't have a false cord function , it's impossible to transition into a false cord function, let alone form words. So desperate to tear down Mariah to make your crap singer seem good? Mariah Carey was born with nodules also genius , not the result of bad singing.
And before you go and say "not possible "It's possible to be born with nodules genius,
Mraiah - - Guinness World Record Proven Fact!! The whistle queen baby!! aint no questions on that. . . those other fellas are just screaming fags. . . hehehehe
@cheeraddict08 I do believe it's Georgia the Guinness Holder. AND Shanice and Debelah are far superior to MC and her abusive technique! MC is the lesser of the whistlers.
@Kumtekmeon you are gonna die a nasty death. sticking up for your crap singer like she has any reason to live. and to say that shanice is superior. boy/girl/homo. did you brush your teeth for the year or even bathe
Mariah Carey☆☆☆☆☆ Debelah☆☆☆☆ Shanice☆☆☆ Debelah ☆☆☆ Mariah and Debelah can actually SING in that register,,, Shanice screams and needs more control.... overall Mariah Carey Is the best....
@JPMigrate EXCUSE YOU? Shanice DOES NOT scream. If that was the case her voice would be RUINED as MC! Shanice is a BETTER skilled SINGER/WHISTLER than MC who uses the False Cord and wrecked her voice! Shanice uses the PROPER technique, and because she has a STRONGER voice than MC and Debelah (who I love), hers is more POWERFUL. So don't get it twisted!
@ncatina On that performance Chante Moore is singing "Make me Like the Moon" at a religious event. Just search "chante moore make me like the moon" and the video will come as a top result.
actually it does because my doctor told me everything about what makes the chords strain and using their technique is very damaging. Even my teacher told me that
@WaTThEKoOl Well, For some singers it may be true, But if you actually practice and study that part of your voice (like Debelah) Theres no reason for it to be damaging at all. Just like Mariah she knows how to hit them without straining and forcing.
Lisa Fischer and Betty Wright should have been included in this. Lisa has the midtones of Whitney with the whistles of Shanice. I believe Shanice can hit slightly higher notes but Lisa Fischer has a much more powerful and controlled whistle. Betty Wright has hit notes I've never heard Mariah hit. Listen to "No Pain, No Gain" live version. It's posted on here.
@Neno8403 betty is included in my other battles......these were more the 90s / late 80s signers i wanted to pick....and betty hit an F7 in that performance which Mariah has reached...even though she may have not matched power
omg i just realized that shanice doesn't even whistle as good as christina aguilera LOL and xtina obviously can't compare to mariah, chante, and debelah so that says a whole lot about FLATnice
@iheartwillandgrace WOW!!! Still obsessing over Shanice, I see. Child GET OVER IT - Shanice is the BEST second by Debelah - We don't encourage FALSE CORD abuse around here. ASTHAMAriah would kill to have Shanice voice in order to give reasons to her fame. Because she DOESN'T have Shanice voice, she is just a Lady Gaga and a Rihanna.
@Kumtekmeon haha if anything, i'd compare shanice to lady gaga and rihanna because she has attempted both of their songs and completely fucked them up. and that takes skill considering that lady gaga's voice isn't much to brag about and rihanna just sucks.
@iheartwillandgrace Attempted? As with MC 'My All', Shanice BLEW those two songs Acappella style like it was her business to. Remember, like Rihanna AND Gaga, MC is all about FAME. Just an average singer with tricks! Shanice is ALL NATURAL - Respect that and be still and DON'T force me to remind you about MC's 'Break Down' live.
@Kumtekmeon lol keep thinking that! she fucked up all those songs especially "my all", not that i was surprised...unlike gaga and rihanna(and FLATnice for that matter) mc doesn't need gimmicks and publicity stunts to stay relevant. and you seriously think mc would want to sound like FLATnice?? that's the funniest thing i've ever heard! don't force ME to remind YOU of FLATnice's "oh holy night", "national anthem", "if i were a boy", "unbreak my heart", and the list goes on...
@iheartwillandgrace The BIG difference between me and you is that you THINK, but I KNOW! Therefore, what you think is of no relevance here. However, FACT is that Shanice is a BETTER singer than ASTHMAriah will ever be. The poor child can't even sing her own songs in acappella, much less to take on another. You may try to convince yourself BUT the FACT will remain. NO TRUE artist see MC as a SERIOUS artist; she's simply a cash cow. All those songs you have highlighted are SUPERB - ACCEPT IT!
@Kumtekmeon you clearly don't know anything aside from your bff shanice's resume(which is really creepy btw) stevie wonder, michael jackson, aretha franklin, and patti labelle(to name a few) have praised mariah's genius and musicianship.
@iheartwillandgrace This is coming from Shattered Glass who I have to ENLIGHTENED on many occasions. I have already addressed MC fanatics' obsession with accolades from persons worthy. Have you ever heard the word DIPLOMACY? Well that should warn you NOT to buy into everything you hear.
@Kumtekmeon enlightened? please! you've never enlightened anyone! you're trying your hardest to deny the fact that mariah slays shanice but it's true. shanice's voice is blunt and irritating while mariah's is angelic and you and your bf setdeeh always make fun of mariah's airy whistles but i'd sure rather sound airy(and pleasant) than lack the ability to go above E6 without going flat. apparently you'd rather have the latter...
@iheartwillandgrace When people hear the term 'ANGELIC' the first thing comes to mind is SOPRANO - And that my child is Shanice! MC is the one whose voice is irritating for example when she performed on GMC. Especially that video in which the music was stripped leaving her RUSTY voice bare. I don't recall Seetdeh making fun OF MC, he simply points to FACTS you are struggling to accept - Don't they have Programs for your disorder? Shanice whistles are BETTER composed and NOT forced like MC'S.
Mariah, hands down. I feel like she has the most control and balance with her whistles, also she knows how and when to incorperate them well with the songs shes singing. However, there was someone on this video (I think its Shanice) who also knows how to incorperate them well with her songs, and makes them sound beautiful.
Mariah Carey, Chante Moore, Minnie Riperton and Debelah Morgan are the best whistle tone singers and the only ones that are actually pleasant to the ear. Every other singer should just shut the fuck up and stop trying to make te entire global population deaf!
@Chimier I am well aware of those definitions, BUT you have FAILED to address my point. When Columbus came to the new world people were already living here. People who traveled cross the Bering strait many moons before, however, he's credited as the discoverer of the new world. Likewise my point about coined. Yes the term whistle register was used in technical writings decades before the advanced use of the net, but this term was unknown to the common man UNTIL Wikipedia, so stop your RANTS!
@Chimier STOP giving people your birthed title of moron! The common man DOES NOT go about writing books about vocal techniques.In fact your note about CCR5 confirms MY point! I have already expressed WHY I used the word 'coin' in place of popularize. The choice is yours to accept it or not to. I am not the one hooked up on a can't-sing-no-more artist? So TBH I wasn't expecting anything signifying common sense from the likes of YOU! The common man WAS NOT using 'whistle register' UNTIL Wikipedia!
@Kumtekmeon The word "COIN" means to "MAKE UP or DEVISE", so you're STILL wrong!
"The common man DOES NOT go about writing books about vocal techniques"- Yes, he does, Dumbo! Authors aren't "special men". They are JUST like everyone else!
"The common man WAS NOT using 'whistle register' UNTIL Wikipedia!"- The common man has been using the term whistle register since 1901! #FAIL
@Kumtekmeon The common man does A LOT of things. They're called HOBBIES, JOBS, CAREERS. Ever heard of them? It doesn't make anyone special, just each person different. An author is a COMMON man!
The word "coin" means to "MAKE UP or DEVISE", thus it is not applicable in this situation at ALL.
You're a MORON. Plain and simple.
The common man has been using the term "whistle register" since 1901!
@Chimier Your IGNORANCE continues to be your DOWNFALL! A sensible person would never dare reject my use of the term 'common man' which CLEARLY refers to 'people in general'! The common man may listen music BUT the common man MAY NOT be able to read music. The common man may vote, BUT the common man MAY NOT be the president. We are separated by our faculties! Learn to read in context and STOP grasping at straws - DEVISE as an operative word in the definition of 'coin' ALSO speaks to ELABORATE!
@Kumtekmeon The common man has different roles in life, but he is STILL the common man! A singer and a king have different roles and positions in life, but they are STILL human. Period. No difference.
Devise does not mean elaborate, dumbass.
You were wrong. A Wikipedian could not have "coined" a term that has been used for over a century, neither do you have proof that Wikipedia popularized the term. You fail...as always.
@Chimier I set the motion here, IF you're going to argue against it, you MUST do so in the context in which I wrote. The common man, as outlined, refers to PEOPLE IN GENERAL! You're going NOWHERE trying to argue that way. To you a King is also a common man, HAHAHAAAA!!! I am CORRECT! The term was practically UNKNOWN to the general public UNTIL a Wikipedian created a 'Whistle Registr Category' and caused continuous debates as persons tried to add artists to the list which was deleted on 12.21.07
@Kumtekmeon People in general don't know ANYTHING about the voice! I guess that means Wikipedia "coined" the terms chest, head, mixed and falsetto!
People in general don't know much about cancer! I guess Wikipedia "coined" the terms "metastasis", "carcinoma in situ" and "squamous cell", huh?
LOL you fail!
The term is STILL practically unknown to the general public. Out of all the people in the world, I bet that not even 10% of them have even HEARD the term "whistle register".
@Chimier STOP being RIDICULOUS! You are GARSPING at straws AGAIN! IF 10% of the world's population know the term today, it is due to Wikipedia and now Youtube with its many videos like this one. I was speaking to a friend and she referred to MC's high notes and she didn't know a proper name to describe it, AND THIS also supports my point about it's restricted use in the past. Wiki expanded and popularize it's use for those who have interest in this aspect of singing to know the term... My point!
@Kumtekmeon 10% of the population DON'T know the term. You obviously can't read.
"I was speaking to a friend and she referred to MC's high notes and she didn't know a proper name to describe it, AND THIS also supports my point about it's restricted use in the past"- How does it support your point about its restricted use in the past when we are in the PRESENT? LOL sit down!
@Chimier You are SO SLOW. I am trying hard NOT to give you a smack! It proves my point because it testifies to the FACT that even though the term was used moons ago, it FAILED to pass down to the average man! So when Minnie, Linda, Jean etc came out in the 60s and 70s using that register, OVER 99% of the population didn't know a fixed name for it. So the 10% that may know it today is largely due to Wikipedia and now You tube as persons from Wiki started uploading related videos. PLEASE THINK!
@Chimier You, Bconsitt and Devotedlamb all RANT the same and seem to get a high calling me bitch. WEL, I hope you know that goes for your mother, grandmother and ALL the females in your family! YET you claim to love Jesus - Such a LIAR! You are TWISTING so rapidly, I truly DON'T know what to make of your comments. So until you learn PROPER sentence structure, DON'T reply!
@Chimier You are so PATHETIC, clinging on a typo to score point. BUT being that I am under divine principle, the HOE is quite befitting of your situation!
@Kumtekmeon "You are so PATHETIC, clinging on a typo to score point."- Score point? See, NORMAL and INTELLIGENT people would say "score A point" or "score POINTS", so I guess we can leave you out both categories.
@Kumtekmeon Next time, before you tangle yourself up in a web of lies, make sure you know the facts. I love how you said you were aware of the sources that showed the term "whistle register" has been used for decades, but you were only because I told you. Before you were "aware" that it was "coined" (which means made up or devised, not elaborated) by a Wikipedian, then you got called out on it and of course resorted to lunacy. I ridicule you.
@Chimier Next time before you go JUDGING me wrongfully, READ in the proper context! The term whistle register may have been used moons ago in a technical manner BUT it was not known to the general public. IN FACT not even those who are known for using it AND those who made a career reviewing singers, had a fixed term. As pointed out BEFORE, some referred to it as 'high note', 'screams', 'dog-whistle' etc, NOT until Wikipedia, and some STILL don't know! Do your research, I'M AHEAD!
@Kumtekmeon The term is STILL not known to the general public.
People STILL refer to the whistle register as such things. People still refer to it as "dog whistle", "high note", high-pitched wail/scream" and such.
@Kumtekmeon People living in America before everyone else knew about it is not the same situation as the knowledge of the term "whistle register". It's a word, not a place. I can say that about anything that requires some form of knowledge. I can say that about the term "CCR5". Unless you have some knowledge of microbiology, you probably won't know what that is.
But Wikipedia in no way popularized the term "whistle register", nor was it coined by a Wikipedian as you originally stated. #FAIL
"I am well aware of the Whistle Register and the fact that the term was coined not so long ago by a Wikipedian (of sort)"- I just can't....it seems what she was well aware of was nothing more than a fantasy...well, that's not a surprise XD
@whistletone14 Get your fact SORTED, Shanice has done a MC song ACAPPELLA and showed her what real singing is. Stop pretending as if MC has a live version of OHN . Then again UNLIKE MC, Shanice didn't depend on a large backing choir or pre-recorded track. So respect REAL talent.
@Chimier I didn't know YOU and whistletone14 were the same. No surprise there, cause you fanatics have a problem with multiplicity. In addition, Shanice's rendition was superb except for that ONE flat note, which she obviously identified from her reaction. At the end of the day Shanice's voice is fully in tact so she can ALWAYS re-sing it live and pull it off, that can't be said about MC and you know it! So STOP your hating.
@Chimier Please take your negativity somewhere else. Shanice's tone is always centered and beautiful UNLIKE MC and WH. So if I were in your position, I would not even be discrediting Rihanna's voice knowing how HORRIBLE those two sound. As for whistling, don't go there. Maybe being that MC uses the false cord it's impossible for hers to connect, BUT for those who got proper training a la Minnie, Shanice etc, it is a part of their FULL VOICE! Did you hear any BREAKS in those songs I noted? NO!
@Chimier Didn't I point out that MC is the exception? Her entire singing is disconnected. All those famous sopranos like Mado and Erna, even Kathleen who can glide straight to what is called 'whistle register' you DARE telling me that it's disconnected. I'll ask AGAIN, did you hear iany breaks in those songs I pointed to? NO!!! However, there ARE BREAKS in MC's Circle she didn't glide into it. As for Rihanna, TRY reading with understanding. You are so slow!
@Chimier Now, I don't care about the technicality of the register, BUT for me any note above E6 is a whistle for me! In that case you people NEED to stop associating your false cord dependent MC with those who ACTUALLY know how to glide up to a 'WHISTLE' in a connected way, head or otherwise! Thanks also for validating my constant point that MC technique is damaging, just like Georgia; no wonder their full voice sound awful. I will repeat, MC DIDN'T glide from chest to whistle, she breaks!
@Kumtekmeon This is exactly why no one can have a serious convo with you. You don't KNOW the technicality of the whistle register.
"BUT for me any note above E6 is a whistle for me!"- Too bad the reality of the situation is that it's not true. Not every whistle above E6 is a whistle, and usually, whistle register starts around high C, not E6.
@Chimier I didn't know I was conversing with someone? I am well aware of the Whistle Register and the fact that the term was coined not so long ago by a Wikipedian (of sort). In fact the term 'whistle' is STILL not recognize in some quarters. I said FOR ME! Therefore if you want to qualify those just around high C, fine, But FOR ME it starts at E6. Chimier maybe when you STOP grasping at straws, we may just have a serious conversation, but you FIRST need to face reality.
@Kumtekmeon Judging by your posts, you don't know much.
It doesn't matter what YOU think. Facts are facts. Fact: Not all notes above E6 are whistle register. It doesn't matter if they are to YOU, the fact is not all of them ARE.
Grasping at straws? Take a look at what you just said about whistle register starting at E6 FOR YOU, then get back to me about "grasping straws".
@Chimier You're so PATHETIC. I am well aware of those sources, but it WASN'T until a Wikipedian created a whistle register category that it became popularized. As much as how in technical writings the term was used, to the mass, those who did it were referred to as high pitch, screams, dog-whistle. So I know what I am on about. Go look at those videos showcasing whistle register and see where they start. So my point of acceptance is supported by others. Are you trying to squeeze in WH high C?
@Kumtekmeon LOL I LOVE how you lie with no shame! You said,"I am well aware of the Whistle Register AND THE FACT THAT THE TERM WAS COINED NOT SO LONG AGO BY A WIKIPEDIAN (OF SORT)".
You were WRONG! Now you're saying that you were talking about the POPULARIZATION of the whistle register, which happened when a Wikipedian created a category for it.
That's COMPLETELY different to what you said before. Oops!
@Chimier I didn't know you were God to be telling WHAT it is I meant to say. The fact is the term whistle register was popularized by Wikipedia, NOT the few books on vocal pedagogy. IF you were an aware little boy you would know coined is similar to discovery, it's not necessarily about who first devise OR discover something, it's who made it known, as with Christopher Columbus. Especially with our subject matter, even a SIMPLE you could devise the term whistle, so STOP grasping at straws.
@Kumtekmeon You said the term whistle register was COINED by Wikipedia, then when you got called out on it, you suudenly changed it to POPULARIZED, which is very arguable, seeing as how the term has been well known between vocal pedagogues for DECADES.
Definition of "coin" (verb): (tr) to fabricate or invent (words, etc.)
Definition of "discover" (verb): to be the first to find or find out about
Where's the similarity? LOL and you say I'm grasping at straws. Keep living in delusion lol.
@Kumtekmeon It's funny how you say you're well aware of those sources, yet I didn't even mention the NAME of the sources, just their authors. Lying again...smh...do you ever learn?
You were wrong and you got called out on your bullshit. No need to lie and try and cover it up. Just admit you were wrong.
No, I could care less for WH having a whistle...and seeing as how her highest notes are in HEAD voice, it wouldn't make sense for me to try and "squeeze" them in.
@Chimier You are so SHALLOW not to know that the authors mentioned are also considered 'source'. Since you're SLOW let me give you a simple definition: One, such as a person or document, that supplies information!!! GET IT? So don't you dare attack me for being in my right. If I were you I would be concerned with WHAT itis that MC is doing wrong since all noted whistlers' voice still in tact EXCEPT for hers. In that case I take ALL the points; you make it so easy - THANK you!
@Kumtekmeon The term "whistle register" has been around for AGES, WAY before Wikipedia. It's been featured in books about the voice plenty of times. James C. McKinney used the term in a book from 1982! Berton Coffin wrote a book about the bel canto, and used the term whistle register, and this book was from 1980! LOL you #FAIL
@Kumtekmeon William Vennard used the term "whistle register" in a book he wrote in 1967 about the mechanism of singing. William Henry Howell co-wrote a book on the physiology of the human body and used the term "whistling register", and this book was from 1901! Richard Luchsinger published a book in 1965 and used the term "whistle register"! Ooops! Next time, know your "facts". LMAO!
@Kumtekmeon you don't understand that by failing to hit that note.. how can you say she is better than MC.. she can't even do a MC song.. haha so you don't know what you are saying..
@Kumtekmeon i'll be jealous if she hits those notes but it came from your own mouth that she went flat.. so please make sense when commenting.. haha!!
@whistletone14 Learn to count! And it's BETTER she went flat on ONE note singing live, THAN to be LIPSYNCHING even her whistles like your MC . You and MC are SHAMELESS! So be quiet now.
shanice has the most annoying whistle.. it sounds like a harmonized scream... no wonder why she failed to whistle oh holy night.. she can only go low to high.. but not straight hitting high whistles
@whistletone14 It wouldn't kill you to make sense when commenting. Shanice can jump straight into whistle and it's PATHETIC how you lambs continue to rail on that ONE flat note, it's laughable seeing how pitchy and breathy MC's whistles are. Not only are they HIDEOUS they are also UNHEALTHY! So please take your jealousy somewhere else.
@TMWinand, don't speak on matter you DON'T KNOW! Shanice is whistling long before MC and, as according to professional vocal coach, takes a HEALTHY approach to her whistles. Shanice and Debelah are better ones of the four as theirs are CONNECTED, clear, and powerful. MC's indulgence is just to make up for her other lacking.
@Kumtekmeon Actually, Mariah has the best whistle. The reason Mariah's whistles aren't 'healthy' is because she cannot naturally move into that range. It is because of her nodules that she is allowed to. She still has the best control and power of her whistles, compared to the other three.
@Raimundo91 From the STANDARD of whistles a la Minnie Riperton, Mado Robin, Erna Sack, Yma Sumac, Jean Carne etc. MC is the worst whistler. NONE of those ladies named whistled like MC. Their whistles were CLEAR, STRONG and CONNECTED. So not because MC is popular makes hers better! She's FAILED to live up to her predecessors like Shanice and Debelah. MC nodules came as a result of STRAINED singing; she has abused the false cord to hit her whistles, so please respect the HEALTHY Shanice!
@Kumtekmeon Um, you don't have that much knowledge on Mariah. She's had her nodules all of her life, ever since she was a little girl. She has told interviewers that when she was a little girl, she was able hit very high notes without straining because of her nodules. How are MC's notes not clear, strong, and connected? I've never heard Mariah go flat on a whistle note, I've neard it fail to the point of not being able to recover, but I have heard her clearlky speak words while whistling. Pro :D
@Raimundo91 When it comes on to MC I know more than her entire Camp Lamb! MC developed nodules as child by straining her voice trying to mimic Minnie etc. She should've listened to her mom that suppressing the voice to make that high whispery sound was damaging. Nodules DO NOT come about UNLESS for a reason and MC's reason was improper singing. MC uses the false cord and that's reason enough to disqualify her. She cannot move effortlessly from chest-head-whistle, she has to jump into it.
@Kumtekmeon "When it comes on to MC I know more than her entire Camp Lamb!"- HAHAHAHA! You what? Oh yeah....I forgot...you think you're omniscient....LMAO sit down.
@Raimundo91 Because of her unhealthy approach over the years, it has taken a toll on her full voice. So now her whistles are this thin piercing sound with no weight. When she tries to go soft it's overly breathy just like her complete singing. When she tries to belt, she easily breaks and cracks. NOW with all that how can anyone put her over Minnie, Shanice who had professional coaching and whose whistles DO NOT affect the voice negatively? MC is popular but that doesn't make hers better.
@Kumtekmeon Uh huh... I'll let the other people argue with you. I'm gonna enjoy me some of Mariah Carey's whistle notes. The only one who can even compare to her is Georgia Brown, but that's ONLY in whistle register. Mariah Carey is the best singer, by far. That there ever is and ever was. She beats out Shanice, Chante, and Debeleh. You can deny it, but compared to Mariah, the other three fail. Even Minnie, who Mariah looked to in her whistling career.
@Raimundo91 You are free to dwell in your delusions. Minnie Riperton was the greatest whistler ever and Shanice is second in command. MC is simply a copy-cat with the wrong tone and even a more wrong technique. She and Georgia fit PERFECTLY together. A duet would be good.
@Kumtekmeon Whistle register is NEVER a connected part of the voice, because the mechanism is TOTALLY different to the other registers. LOL you know NOTHING.
That's exactly why whistle register isn't counted as part of full voice....it's NOT a connected part of one's range. Please try again.....on second thought, we all know what happens when you do, so disregard that.
@Chimier I am certain I spoke to her transitional ability. I am also certain that countless opera singers including Minnie have shown the ability to glide from chest to head to whistle, so I guess MC is the exception. Then again, only hers and Georgia's whistles end up making their full voices ugly sounding.
@Kumtekmeon Mariah went from chest to head to whistle in the song Circles ("and I don't think I can make it without [chest] youuuuu [head]- ahhhhhhahh [whistle]).
@Chimier 'Cirlce' wasn't connected. For a proper demonstration check out Minnie's 'Stick Together' or Adventure in Paradise', or Shanice's 'Searching'. What I know is yet to be known by others. So speak for yourself.
I like all of them, mayb cause imma a fanatic about women who can hit these kinds of notes. all of them offer somethin different in their whistle abilities. and alot of people fail to realize Debelah can also enunciate, rather clearly, in the whistle register
Hands down a person with common sense would know Mariah ate everyone in this contest. Mariah's whistles sound effortless and angelic, while the others sound and look like their struggling. I like Shanice also but you to state facts @Kumtekmeon, how dare you say that Shanice has more vocal power then Mariah. Have you heard "Make it happen" or "Jesus oh what a wonderful child." I doubt Shanice would even say she would do a better job then Mariah at those songs.
@miguelharris1991 I agree with that kumtek. I doubt mariah can do shanice I'm Crying or Turn down the lights. Those are much harder songs than ones mentioned. Haven't you heard shanice take on mariah My All?
I think Mariah Carey got this. Mariah has the ability to talk and whistle at the same time.. Now that's skillz! Also Mariah has more control over the whistle
@MCfanforeverXD, get over yourself. All these ladies have something special to offer. It is biased comments like yours why many turn against Mimi. How high Mimi goes is insignificant here. One thing for sure Shanice can sing with or without using whistle and still pull the song off, but If Mimi leaves the whistle out, the song sounds bare. I love Mimi but that's the truth.
I Am Sorry But When I Write This Comment I Don't Want To Say That Shanice,Chant and Debelah can't sing! They Can Sing!
But In The Whitsle Register, Mariah Wins And If You "Love MAriah" Or Hate Her You Can't Say The Opposite! And If You Say " If Mimi leaves the whistle out, the song sounds bare" why do you "Love" Her?
Thanks for clarifying yourself and no matter what, persons will always have difference of opinion as to who is better; not everyone loves roses, some prefer lilies. I love Mimi because her music reminds me much of my growing years and much of her songs are melodic and catchy. To say the songs without the whistles are bare is not an insult, but Mimi has deliberately arranged the songs around her whistles so when she leaves them out a void is sensed. Also her whistles are her strength.
@Seetdeh All of these singers are amazing, no doubt, and it doesn't matter how high Mariah can go, but in NO WAY is it true that "if Mimi leaves the whistle out, the song sounds bare." She has PLENTY of songs that don't have the whistle in it. We Belong Together, One Sweet Day, Fantasy (Remix), Always Be My Baby, Hero...NONE Of these have the whistle. And are you going to call these "bare"? They are her signature songs.
I believe you have misread my comment. I was not speaking to songs that Mimi recorded without whistles, for example Hero and ABMB, I was speaking to the ones she whistled in. When she performs them live and exclude the whistle part, that in my opinion makes the songs incomplete.
I have listened the songs you noted and as for VOL there was an obvious void at 2:45 which comes across as unplanned on her part. ATYNAF's whistle comes in at the very climax of the recorded song and so her ad libs along with the repeats of the backing vocals work beautifully. As for IIO that is excusable as the whistle is just about 2 seconds long. Mimi doesn't do much improvisation when performing live and so it's easy to feel that something is missing.
@Seetdeh Which performance of Vision of Love did you listen to? I was thinking of the first Arsenio Hall performance. She did it without the whistle and I think it's one of her best performances.
'come and dance' is called 'dance with me', mariah, debelah, chanté, sharice in that order, if we have to compare, think they all sound awesome though :)
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TheWildstevo 2 months ago
@BrandonMurrell Why don't you specify the [parts] you think are stupid so I can help your understanding? Labeling something as stupid because you LACK knowledge is not an intelligent approach.
Kumtekmeon 4 months ago
MARIAH CAREY IS THE GREATEST FEMALE VOCALIST OF ALL TIME OVER 200 MILLION RECORDS SOLD SHANICE CANT FUC WIT THAT PLUS MC HAS THE BIGGER VOICE WHEN SHE CHOOSE 2. SHANICE B COPING MARIAH ON A LOT OF THESE YOUTUBE VIDEOS.... MARIAH IS THE QUEEN
JPMigrate 4 months ago 3
@JPMigrate Record sales AND vocal prowess are TWO SEPARATE issues! No official body has dare said that MC is the greatest female vocalist, WHAT has been said is that she is the Biggest SELLING female artist in the 90s; so DON'T get it twisted! Shanice Wilson, Barbra Streisand, Patti, etc: These are great singers. MC doesn't have more than 3 octaves because she is ABUSING the false cord to sing her high notes, in short she CHEATS. That's why Babyface said Shanice has an incredible range!
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@Kumtekmeon @Kumtekmeon I'm not going to waste my time with a psych ward cases like you, with preaching false statements.
Mariah Carey doesn't have a false cord function , it's impossible to transition into a false cord function, let alone form words. So desperate to tear down Mariah to make your crap singer seem good? Mariah Carey was born with nodules also genius , not the result of bad singing.
And before you go and say "not possible "It's possible to be born with nodules genius,
Amandasenju11 2 months ago
Mraiah - - Guinness World Record Proven Fact!! The whistle queen baby!! aint no questions on that. . . those other fellas are just screaming fags. . . hehehehe
cheeraddict08 5 months ago
@cheeraddict08 I do believe it's Georgia the Guinness Holder. AND Shanice and Debelah are far superior to MC and her abusive technique! MC is the lesser of the whistlers.
Kumtekmeon 4 months ago
@Kumtekmeon you are gonna die a nasty death. sticking up for your crap singer like she has any reason to live. and to say that shanice is superior. boy/girl/homo. did you brush your teeth for the year or even bathe
Amandasenju11 2 months ago
Mariah Carey☆☆☆☆☆ Debelah☆☆☆☆ Shanice☆☆☆ Debelah ☆☆☆ Mariah and Debelah can actually SING in that register,,, Shanice screams and needs more control.... overall Mariah Carey Is the best....
JPMigrate 5 months ago
@JPMigrate EXCUSE YOU? Shanice DOES NOT scream. If that was the case her voice would be RUINED as MC! Shanice is a BETTER skilled SINGER/WHISTLER than MC who uses the False Cord and wrecked her voice! Shanice uses the PROPER technique, and because she has a STRONGER voice than MC and Debelah (who I love), hers is more POWERFUL. So don't get it twisted!
Kumtekmeon 4 months ago
@Kumtekmeon shanice does scream. watch the video understanding the whistle register dumbass
Amandasenju11 2 months ago
#1 - Mariah and Debelah (Debelah is my fav whistler).
#2 - Chante
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#542543543524354 - Shanice 'The Shriek' Wilson
Stefano94x 6 months ago
For the "Fountain of Praise" segment, when was that recorded? I would like to see the full version of that performance.
ncatina 7 months ago
@ncatina On that performance Chante Moore is singing "Make me Like the Moon" at a religious event. Just search "chante moore make me like the moon" and the video will come as a top result.
ale5677 5 months ago
@ale5677 Thanks for the information!
ncatina 5 months ago
Shanice and Debelah's technique is not good for their voices. She put alot of pressure on their chords and thats why its so pushed.
Mariah wins and always will
WaTThEKoOl 7 months ago
@WaTThEKoOl Umm Debelah actually studied that register and mastered it, so saying her whistles are pushed makes no sense at all...
Mcvideos92 6 months ago
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actually it does because my doctor told me everything about what makes the chords strain and using their technique is very damaging. Even my teacher told me that
WaTThEKoOl 6 months ago
@WaTThEKoOl Well, For some singers it may be true, But if you actually practice and study that part of your voice (like Debelah) Theres no reason for it to be damaging at all. Just like Mariah she knows how to hit them without straining and forcing.
Mcvideos92 6 months ago
chante sounds better today but minnie is the best
n3wbr33d911 8 months ago 2
@n3wbr33d911 minnie stripperton is irrelevant to this video
shaniceslaysurfav 7 months ago
1.Mariah (though i think you could have used better clips and stuff for her)
2.Debelah (that run that transitioned into whistle was incredible!)
3.Chante (3:13-4:30 about put me in a nirvana
4. Shanice (SHRIEK!)
musicguy713 8 months ago 11
Lisa Fischer and Betty Wright should have been included in this. Lisa has the midtones of Whitney with the whistles of Shanice. I believe Shanice can hit slightly higher notes but Lisa Fischer has a much more powerful and controlled whistle. Betty Wright has hit notes I've never heard Mariah hit. Listen to "No Pain, No Gain" live version. It's posted on here.
Neno8403 8 months ago
@Neno8403 betty is included in my other battles......these were more the 90s / late 80s signers i wanted to pick....and betty hit an F7 in that performance which Mariah has reached...even though she may have not matched power
boodoochakanudntstop 8 months ago
Soooo is Minnie Riperton not worthy of this battle or something?? i think she is!!!!
RJRDEMONS 8 months ago
@RJRDEMONS minnie is in a lot of my videos, and she was around a lot earrlier than these ladies of which came out around the same time.
boodoochakanudntstop 8 months ago
shanice is #1 debelah's 2nd. mariah and chante can't compare with their voice deteriorating, breathy, false cord whistles. just disgusting >.<
shaniceslaysurfav 8 months ago
MC FOREVER BABY!
xXxmissemmaxXx 8 months ago
I grew up listening to Minnie and from all four ladies to me Shanice captures that feel of Minnie, so I prefer her, but they all have chops.
bajeonyou 9 months ago
Whoa Mariah no doubt...shes the only one that sounds good in tone..unlike them other wounded cows
luisboricua9 10 months ago
No jill scott?
Imarainbow269 10 months ago
omg i just realized that shanice doesn't even whistle as good as christina aguilera LOL and xtina obviously can't compare to mariah, chante, and debelah so that says a whole lot about FLATnice
iheartwillandgrace 10 months ago 3
@iheartwillandgrace ahaha LOL *waits*
kelvinpyaeko 10 months ago
@iheartwillandgrace WOW!!! Still obsessing over Shanice, I see. Child GET OVER IT - Shanice is the BEST second by Debelah - We don't encourage FALSE CORD abuse around here. ASTHAMAriah would kill to have Shanice voice in order to give reasons to her fame. Because she DOESN'T have Shanice voice, she is just a Lady Gaga and a Rihanna.
Kumtekmeon 9 months ago
@Kumtekmeon haha if anything, i'd compare shanice to lady gaga and rihanna because she has attempted both of their songs and completely fucked them up. and that takes skill considering that lady gaga's voice isn't much to brag about and rihanna just sucks.
iheartwillandgrace 9 months ago
@iheartwillandgrace Attempted? As with MC 'My All', Shanice BLEW those two songs Acappella style like it was her business to. Remember, like Rihanna AND Gaga, MC is all about FAME. Just an average singer with tricks! Shanice is ALL NATURAL - Respect that and be still and DON'T force me to remind you about MC's 'Break Down' live.
Kumtekmeon 9 months ago
@Kumtekmeon lol keep thinking that! she fucked up all those songs especially "my all", not that i was surprised...unlike gaga and rihanna(and FLATnice for that matter) mc doesn't need gimmicks and publicity stunts to stay relevant. and you seriously think mc would want to sound like FLATnice?? that's the funniest thing i've ever heard! don't force ME to remind YOU of FLATnice's "oh holy night", "national anthem", "if i were a boy", "unbreak my heart", and the list goes on...
iheartwillandgrace 9 months ago
@iheartwillandgrace The BIG difference between me and you is that you THINK, but I KNOW! Therefore, what you think is of no relevance here. However, FACT is that Shanice is a BETTER singer than ASTHMAriah will ever be. The poor child can't even sing her own songs in acappella, much less to take on another. You may try to convince yourself BUT the FACT will remain. NO TRUE artist see MC as a SERIOUS artist; she's simply a cash cow. All those songs you have highlighted are SUPERB - ACCEPT IT!
Kumtekmeon 9 months ago
@Kumtekmeon you clearly don't know anything aside from your bff shanice's resume(which is really creepy btw) stevie wonder, michael jackson, aretha franklin, and patti labelle(to name a few) have praised mariah's genius and musicianship.
iheartwillandgrace 9 months ago
@iheartwillandgrace This is coming from Shattered Glass who I have to ENLIGHTENED on many occasions. I have already addressed MC fanatics' obsession with accolades from persons worthy. Have you ever heard the word DIPLOMACY? Well that should warn you NOT to buy into everything you hear.
Kumtekmeon 9 months ago
@Kumtekmeon enlightened? please! you've never enlightened anyone! you're trying your hardest to deny the fact that mariah slays shanice but it's true. shanice's voice is blunt and irritating while mariah's is angelic and you and your bf setdeeh always make fun of mariah's airy whistles but i'd sure rather sound airy(and pleasant) than lack the ability to go above E6 without going flat. apparently you'd rather have the latter...
iheartwillandgrace 9 months ago 2
@iheartwillandgrace When people hear the term 'ANGELIC' the first thing comes to mind is SOPRANO - And that my child is Shanice! MC is the one whose voice is irritating for example when she performed on GMC. Especially that video in which the music was stripped leaving her RUSTY voice bare. I don't recall Seetdeh making fun OF MC, he simply points to FACTS you are struggling to accept - Don't they have Programs for your disorder? Shanice whistles are BETTER composed and NOT forced like MC'S.
Kumtekmeon 9 months ago
@Kumtekmeon lol keep thinking that. stay pressed! btw what is GMC?
iheartwillandgrace 9 months ago
@iheartwillandgrace I DON'T think, I KNOW. I leave thinking to those who are UNSURE of their opinions. GMC is the pickup needed to take MC off stage.
Kumtekmeon 9 months ago
come and dance==> dance with me
iheartwillandgrace 10 months ago
Mariah, hands down. I feel like she has the most control and balance with her whistles, also she knows how and when to incorperate them well with the songs shes singing. However, there was someone on this video (I think its Shanice) who also knows how to incorperate them well with her songs, and makes them sound beautiful.
Docterphilly 11 months ago
Mariah and Debelah.
Stefano94x 1 year ago
Mariah Carey, Chante Moore, Minnie Riperton and Debelah Morgan are the best whistle tone singers and the only ones that are actually pleasant to the ear. Every other singer should just shut the fuck up and stop trying to make te entire global population deaf!
ale5677 1 year ago
mariah
debelah
chante
...shanice...
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iheartwillandgrace 1 year ago
i really do not shanice at all!
MrJNO123 1 year ago
Shanice, Debelah, Mariah, Chante
afoonu 1 year ago
Mariah Chante Shanice
Rannat18 1 year ago
@bconsitt LOL! You just slayed with that comment!
Devotedlamb19 1 year ago
@bconsitt HAHAHAHA!
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier Hey Chimier how this whole thing started from beginning to end, because this is very funny!
ThePianoguy89 1 year ago
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@Chimier I am well aware of those definitions, BUT you have FAILED to address my point. When Columbus came to the new world people were already living here. People who traveled cross the Bering strait many moons before, however, he's credited as the discoverer of the new world. Likewise my point about coined. Yes the term whistle register was used in technical writings decades before the advanced use of the net, but this term was unknown to the common man UNTIL Wikipedia, so stop your RANTS!
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon How can a term be UNKNOWN to the "common man", when the "common man" has been using it for decades? LOL what a moron!
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier STOP giving people your birthed title of moron! The common man DOES NOT go about writing books about vocal techniques.In fact your note about CCR5 confirms MY point! I have already expressed WHY I used the word 'coin' in place of popularize. The choice is yours to accept it or not to. I am not the one hooked up on a can't-sing-no-more artist? So TBH I wasn't expecting anything signifying common sense from the likes of YOU! The common man WAS NOT using 'whistle register' UNTIL Wikipedia!
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
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@Kumtekmeon The word "COIN" means to "MAKE UP or DEVISE", so you're STILL wrong!
"The common man DOES NOT go about writing books about vocal techniques"- Yes, he does, Dumbo! Authors aren't "special men". They are JUST like everyone else!
"The common man WAS NOT using 'whistle register' UNTIL Wikipedia!"- The common man has been using the term whistle register since 1901! #FAIL
Chimier 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon The common man does A LOT of things. They're called HOBBIES, JOBS, CAREERS. Ever heard of them? It doesn't make anyone special, just each person different. An author is a COMMON man!
The word "coin" means to "MAKE UP or DEVISE", thus it is not applicable in this situation at ALL.
You're a MORON. Plain and simple.
The common man has been using the term "whistle register" since 1901!
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier Your IGNORANCE continues to be your DOWNFALL! A sensible person would never dare reject my use of the term 'common man' which CLEARLY refers to 'people in general'! The common man may listen music BUT the common man MAY NOT be able to read music. The common man may vote, BUT the common man MAY NOT be the president. We are separated by our faculties! Learn to read in context and STOP grasping at straws - DEVISE as an operative word in the definition of 'coin' ALSO speaks to ELABORATE!
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon The common man has different roles in life, but he is STILL the common man! A singer and a king have different roles and positions in life, but they are STILL human. Period. No difference.
Devise does not mean elaborate, dumbass.
You were wrong. A Wikipedian could not have "coined" a term that has been used for over a century, neither do you have proof that Wikipedia popularized the term. You fail...as always.
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier I set the motion here, IF you're going to argue against it, you MUST do so in the context in which I wrote. The common man, as outlined, refers to PEOPLE IN GENERAL! You're going NOWHERE trying to argue that way. To you a King is also a common man, HAHAHAAAA!!! I am CORRECT! The term was practically UNKNOWN to the general public UNTIL a Wikipedian created a 'Whistle Registr Category' and caused continuous debates as persons tried to add artists to the list which was deleted on 12.21.07
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon People in general don't know ANYTHING about the voice! I guess that means Wikipedia "coined" the terms chest, head, mixed and falsetto!
People in general don't know much about cancer! I guess Wikipedia "coined" the terms "metastasis", "carcinoma in situ" and "squamous cell", huh?
LOL you fail!
The term is STILL practically unknown to the general public. Out of all the people in the world, I bet that not even 10% of them have even HEARD the term "whistle register".
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier STOP being RIDICULOUS! You are GARSPING at straws AGAIN! IF 10% of the world's population know the term today, it is due to Wikipedia and now Youtube with its many videos like this one. I was speaking to a friend and she referred to MC's high notes and she didn't know a proper name to describe it, AND THIS also supports my point about it's restricted use in the past. Wiki expanded and popularize it's use for those who have interest in this aspect of singing to know the term... My point!
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon 10% of the population DON'T know the term. You obviously can't read.
"I was speaking to a friend and she referred to MC's high notes and she didn't know a proper name to describe it, AND THIS also supports my point about it's restricted use in the past"- How does it support your point about its restricted use in the past when we are in the PRESENT? LOL sit down!
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier You are SO SLOW. I am trying hard NOT to give you a smack! It proves my point because it testifies to the FACT that even though the term was used moons ago, it FAILED to pass down to the average man! So when Minnie, Linda, Jean etc came out in the 60s and 70s using that register, OVER 99% of the population didn't know a fixed name for it. So the 10% that may know it today is largely due to Wikipedia and now You tube as persons from Wiki started uploading related videos. PLEASE THINK!
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon Bitch, what are you gonna do? Hit me over the internet? LOL such a clunk!
My point is it has STILL failed to pass onto the "common man", because most people still don't know what to call it.
10% of the population DON'T know the term! That's what I initially said, so you obviously can't read.
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier You, Bconsitt and Devotedlamb all RANT the same and seem to get a high calling me bitch. WEL, I hope you know that goes for your mother, grandmother and ALL the females in your family! YET you claim to love Jesus - Such a LIAR! You are TWISTING so rapidly, I truly DON'T know what to make of your comments. So until you learn PROPER sentence structure, DON'T reply!
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon At least I didn't claim to BE Jesus, like you did!
No, you just can't read.
NEXT!
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier Still LYING, I see!
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon You obviously don't see much.
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier It's NOT about seeing, it's ALWAYS about knowing, and THAT I do!
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon No, you THINK you know, but you have no idea©.
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier For you, it is all about GUESSING! But for me it's DEDUCING, which is why I am always correct!!!
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon For you it's all about failing, which you do without peer. You mad? Good.
NEXT!
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier Please read slowly, AND in repeats - Chimier makes NO sense whatsoever! I hoe you get it this time.
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon "I hoe you get it this time."- LOL you're in no position to be telling anyone about making sense, since you make none yourself. #DUMPED
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier You are so PATHETIC, clinging on a typo to score point. BUT being that I am under divine principle, the HOE is quite befitting of your situation!
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
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@Kumtekmeon "You are so PATHETIC, clinging on a typo to score point."- Score point? See, NORMAL and INTELLIGENT people would say "score A point" or "score POINTS", so I guess we can leave you out both categories.
The word is "ho", not "hoe". You fail, bitch.
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier Did you notice how she said she was under "divine principle"? More proof that the bitch thinks she's God. LOL!
Devotedlamb19 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon Next time, before you tangle yourself up in a web of lies, make sure you know the facts. I love how you said you were aware of the sources that showed the term "whistle register" has been used for decades, but you were only because I told you. Before you were "aware" that it was "coined" (which means made up or devised, not elaborated) by a Wikipedian, then you got called out on it and of course resorted to lunacy. I ridicule you.
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier Next time before you go JUDGING me wrongfully, READ in the proper context! The term whistle register may have been used moons ago in a technical manner BUT it was not known to the general public. IN FACT not even those who are known for using it AND those who made a career reviewing singers, had a fixed term. As pointed out BEFORE, some referred to it as 'high note', 'screams', 'dog-whistle' etc, NOT until Wikipedia, and some STILL don't know! Do your research, I'M AHEAD!
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon The term is STILL not known to the general public.
People STILL refer to the whistle register as such things. People still refer to it as "dog whistle", "high note", high-pitched wail/scream" and such.
You're far behind.
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier Read CAREFULLY before you reply. Didn't I say, ''and some STILL don't know?''
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon "Didn't I say, ''and some STILL don't know?''- MOST STILL DON'T KNOW. Try again.
Chimier 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon People living in America before everyone else knew about it is not the same situation as the knowledge of the term "whistle register". It's a word, not a place. I can say that about anything that requires some form of knowledge. I can say that about the term "CCR5". Unless you have some knowledge of microbiology, you probably won't know what that is.
But Wikipedia in no way popularized the term "whistle register", nor was it coined by a Wikipedian as you originally stated. #FAIL
Chimier 1 year ago
@bconsitt Me too, but seeing as it's Kumtekmeon, I'm really not surprised at all lol
Chimier 1 year ago
@bconsitt Obviously not hard enough.
"I am well aware of the Whistle Register and the fact that the term was coined not so long ago by a Wikipedian (of sort)"- I just can't....it seems what she was well aware of was nothing more than a fantasy...well, that's not a surprise XD
Chimier 1 year ago
@whistletone14 Get your fact SORTED, Shanice has done a MC song ACAPPELLA and showed her what real singing is. Stop pretending as if MC has a live version of OHN . Then again UNLIKE MC, Shanice didn't depend on a large backing choir or pre-recorded track. So respect REAL talent.
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon When was I talking about O Holy Night? Once again, you start spewing the most irrelevant shit.
Shanice's rendition of OHN failed.
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier I didn't know YOU and whistletone14 were the same. No surprise there, cause you fanatics have a problem with multiplicity. In addition, Shanice's rendition was superb except for that ONE flat note, which she obviously identified from her reaction. At the end of the day Shanice's voice is fully in tact so she can ALWAYS re-sing it live and pull it off, that can't be said about MC and you know it! So STOP your hating.
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon Shanice's tone wasn't centered at all. Try again.
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier Please take your negativity somewhere else. Shanice's tone is always centered and beautiful UNLIKE MC and WH. So if I were in your position, I would not even be discrediting Rihanna's voice knowing how HORRIBLE those two sound. As for whistling, don't go there. Maybe being that MC uses the false cord it's impossible for hers to connect, BUT for those who got proper training a la Minnie, Shanice etc, it is a part of their FULL VOICE! Did you hear any BREAKS in those songs I noted? NO!
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon Whistle register is not a part of full voice. Try again.
And it's funny how there are no breaks in Mariah's either. Ooops!
Where did I discredit Rihanna's voice? LOL irrelevance is your only strength, it seems. How sad.
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier Didn't I point out that MC is the exception? Her entire singing is disconnected. All those famous sopranos like Mado and Erna, even Kathleen who can glide straight to what is called 'whistle register' you DARE telling me that it's disconnected. I'll ask AGAIN, did you hear iany breaks in those songs I pointed to? NO!!! However, there ARE BREAKS in MC's Circle she didn't glide into it. As for Rihanna, TRY reading with understanding. You are so slow!
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon Mado, Kathleen and Erna did it all in HEAD VOICE....ooops!
Whistle register is NOT a connected part of the voice.
There was no break in Circles, dumbass. She was singing in chest did an ascending scale into head, then another into whistle. You fail again.
How about you get the brain out your ass and put it in your head? That would do you a world of good.
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier Now, I don't care about the technicality of the register, BUT for me any note above E6 is a whistle for me! In that case you people NEED to stop associating your false cord dependent MC with those who ACTUALLY know how to glide up to a 'WHISTLE' in a connected way, head or otherwise! Thanks also for validating my constant point that MC technique is damaging, just like Georgia; no wonder their full voice sound awful. I will repeat, MC DIDN'T glide from chest to whistle, she breaks!
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon This is exactly why no one can have a serious convo with you. You don't KNOW the technicality of the whistle register.
"BUT for me any note above E6 is a whistle for me!"- Too bad the reality of the situation is that it's not true. Not every whistle above E6 is a whistle, and usually, whistle register starts around high C, not E6.
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier I didn't know I was conversing with someone? I am well aware of the Whistle Register and the fact that the term was coined not so long ago by a Wikipedian (of sort). In fact the term 'whistle' is STILL not recognize in some quarters. I said FOR ME! Therefore if you want to qualify those just around high C, fine, But FOR ME it starts at E6. Chimier maybe when you STOP grasping at straws, we may just have a serious conversation, but you FIRST need to face reality.
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon Judging by your posts, you don't know much.
It doesn't matter what YOU think. Facts are facts. Fact: Not all notes above E6 are whistle register. It doesn't matter if they are to YOU, the fact is not all of them ARE.
Grasping at straws? Take a look at what you just said about whistle register starting at E6 FOR YOU, then get back to me about "grasping straws".
Chimier 1 year ago
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@Chimier You're so PATHETIC. I am well aware of those sources, but it WASN'T until a Wikipedian created a whistle register category that it became popularized. As much as how in technical writings the term was used, to the mass, those who did it were referred to as high pitch, screams, dog-whistle. So I know what I am on about. Go look at those videos showcasing whistle register and see where they start. So my point of acceptance is supported by others. Are you trying to squeeze in WH high C?
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon LOL I LOVE how you lie with no shame! You said,"I am well aware of the Whistle Register AND THE FACT THAT THE TERM WAS COINED NOT SO LONG AGO BY A WIKIPEDIAN (OF SORT)".
You were WRONG! Now you're saying that you were talking about the POPULARIZATION of the whistle register, which happened when a Wikipedian created a category for it.
That's COMPLETELY different to what you said before. Oops!
Chimier 1 year ago
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@Chimier I didn't know you were God to be telling WHAT it is I meant to say. The fact is the term whistle register was popularized by Wikipedia, NOT the few books on vocal pedagogy. IF you were an aware little boy you would know coined is similar to discovery, it's not necessarily about who first devise OR discover something, it's who made it known, as with Christopher Columbus. Especially with our subject matter, even a SIMPLE you could devise the term whistle, so STOP grasping at straws.
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago 2
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@Kumtekmeon You said the term whistle register was COINED by Wikipedia, then when you got called out on it, you suudenly changed it to POPULARIZED, which is very arguable, seeing as how the term has been well known between vocal pedagogues for DECADES.
Definition of "coin" (verb): (tr) to fabricate or invent (words, etc.)
Definition of "discover" (verb): to be the first to find or find out about
Where's the similarity? LOL and you say I'm grasping at straws. Keep living in delusion lol.
Chimier 1 year ago
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@Kumtekmeon It's funny how you say you're well aware of those sources, yet I didn't even mention the NAME of the sources, just their authors. Lying again...smh...do you ever learn?
You were wrong and you got called out on your bullshit. No need to lie and try and cover it up. Just admit you were wrong.
No, I could care less for WH having a whistle...and seeing as how her highest notes are in HEAD voice, it wouldn't make sense for me to try and "squeeze" them in.
Get a clue and a brain. Thanks :)
Chimier 1 year ago
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@Chimier You are so SHALLOW not to know that the authors mentioned are also considered 'source'. Since you're SLOW let me give you a simple definition: One, such as a person or document, that supplies information!!! GET IT? So don't you dare attack me for being in my right. If I were you I would be concerned with WHAT itis that MC is doing wrong since all noted whistlers' voice still in tact EXCEPT for hers. In that case I take ALL the points; you make it so easy - THANK you!
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago 3
@Kumtekmeon The term "whistle register" has been around for AGES, WAY before Wikipedia. It's been featured in books about the voice plenty of times. James C. McKinney used the term in a book from 1982! Berton Coffin wrote a book about the bel canto, and used the term whistle register, and this book was from 1980! LOL you #FAIL
Chimier 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon William Vennard used the term "whistle register" in a book he wrote in 1967 about the mechanism of singing. William Henry Howell co-wrote a book on the physiology of the human body and used the term "whistling register", and this book was from 1901! Richard Luchsinger published a book in 1965 and used the term "whistle register"! Ooops! Next time, know your "facts". LMAO!
Chimier 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon you don't understand that by failing to hit that note.. how can you say she is better than MC.. she can't even do a MC song.. haha so you don't know what you are saying..
whistletone14 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon i'll be jealous if she hits those notes but it came from your own mouth that she went flat.. so please make sense when commenting.. haha!!
whistletone14 1 year ago
@whistletone14 Learn to count! And it's BETTER she went flat on ONE note singing live, THAN to be LIPSYNCHING even her whistles like your MC . You and MC are SHAMELESS! So be quiet now.
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
Love Shanice's hair @ 1:11 - 1:13
neepl8 1 year ago
mariah carey is the only one that can hit whistle notes without sounding pitchy or like screaming...
dudddis 1 year ago
@dudddis Do you actually believe what you wrote?
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
shanice has the most annoying whistle.. it sounds like a harmonized scream... no wonder why she failed to whistle oh holy night.. she can only go low to high.. but not straight hitting high whistles
whistletone14 1 year ago
@whistletone14 It wouldn't kill you to make sense when commenting. Shanice can jump straight into whistle and it's PATHETIC how you lambs continue to rail on that ONE flat note, it's laughable seeing how pitchy and breathy MC's whistles are. Not only are they HIDEOUS they are also UNHEALTHY! So please take your jealousy somewhere else.
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
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mariah sounds like she's chhoking on nicks dick. the bitch has no game on shanice will tear her up like the cheap slut she is.
betwixgirl 1 year ago
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mariah careys are the best! they r all good but mariah wins :D
MCmusiclover4life 1 year ago
@TMWinand, don't speak on matter you DON'T KNOW! Shanice is whistling long before MC and, as according to professional vocal coach, takes a HEALTHY approach to her whistles. Shanice and Debelah are better ones of the four as theirs are CONNECTED, clear, and powerful. MC's indulgence is just to make up for her other lacking.
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon Actually, Mariah has the best whistle. The reason Mariah's whistles aren't 'healthy' is because she cannot naturally move into that range. It is because of her nodules that she is allowed to. She still has the best control and power of her whistles, compared to the other three.
Raimundo91 1 year ago
@Raimundo91 From the STANDARD of whistles a la Minnie Riperton, Mado Robin, Erna Sack, Yma Sumac, Jean Carne etc. MC is the worst whistler. NONE of those ladies named whistled like MC. Their whistles were CLEAR, STRONG and CONNECTED. So not because MC is popular makes hers better! She's FAILED to live up to her predecessors like Shanice and Debelah. MC nodules came as a result of STRAINED singing; she has abused the false cord to hit her whistles, so please respect the HEALTHY Shanice!
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon Um, you don't have that much knowledge on Mariah. She's had her nodules all of her life, ever since she was a little girl. She has told interviewers that when she was a little girl, she was able hit very high notes without straining because of her nodules. How are MC's notes not clear, strong, and connected? I've never heard Mariah go flat on a whistle note, I've neard it fail to the point of not being able to recover, but I have heard her clearlky speak words while whistling. Pro :D
Raimundo91 1 year ago
@Raimundo91 When it comes on to MC I know more than her entire Camp Lamb! MC developed nodules as child by straining her voice trying to mimic Minnie etc. She should've listened to her mom that suppressing the voice to make that high whispery sound was damaging. Nodules DO NOT come about UNLESS for a reason and MC's reason was improper singing. MC uses the false cord and that's reason enough to disqualify her. She cannot move effortlessly from chest-head-whistle, she has to jump into it.
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon "When it comes on to MC I know more than her entire Camp Lamb!"- HAHAHAHA! You what? Oh yeah....I forgot...you think you're omniscient....LMAO sit down.
Chimier 1 year ago
@Raimundo91 Because of her unhealthy approach over the years, it has taken a toll on her full voice. So now her whistles are this thin piercing sound with no weight. When she tries to go soft it's overly breathy just like her complete singing. When she tries to belt, she easily breaks and cracks. NOW with all that how can anyone put her over Minnie, Shanice who had professional coaching and whose whistles DO NOT affect the voice negatively? MC is popular but that doesn't make hers better.
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon Uh huh... I'll let the other people argue with you. I'm gonna enjoy me some of Mariah Carey's whistle notes. The only one who can even compare to her is Georgia Brown, but that's ONLY in whistle register. Mariah Carey is the best singer, by far. That there ever is and ever was. She beats out Shanice, Chante, and Debeleh. You can deny it, but compared to Mariah, the other three fail. Even Minnie, who Mariah looked to in her whistling career.
Raimundo91 1 year ago 2
@Raimundo91 You are free to dwell in your delusions. Minnie Riperton was the greatest whistler ever and Shanice is second in command. MC is simply a copy-cat with the wrong tone and even a more wrong technique. She and Georgia fit PERFECTLY together. A duet would be good.
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon Whistle register is NEVER a connected part of the voice, because the mechanism is TOTALLY different to the other registers. LOL you know NOTHING.
That's exactly why whistle register isn't counted as part of full voice....it's NOT a connected part of one's range. Please try again.....on second thought, we all know what happens when you do, so disregard that.
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier I am certain I spoke to her transitional ability. I am also certain that countless opera singers including Minnie have shown the ability to glide from chest to head to whistle, so I guess MC is the exception. Then again, only hers and Georgia's whistles end up making their full voices ugly sounding.
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon Mariah went from chest to head to whistle in the song Circles ("and I don't think I can make it without [chest] youuuuu [head]- ahhhhhhahh [whistle]).
What you don't know is known by other people.
Chimier 1 year ago
@Chimier 'Cirlce' wasn't connected. For a proper demonstration check out Minnie's 'Stick Together' or Adventure in Paradise', or Shanice's 'Searching'. What I know is yet to be known by others. So speak for yourself.
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon No whistle is ever connected, because whistle register isn't a connected register. #FAIL
Chimier 1 year ago
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Chimier 1 year ago
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@Kumtekmeon What you don't know has filled countless libraries, so I suggest you start reading.
Chimier 1 year ago
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Mariah has the best, and uses it the best, these other girls just bust it out to prove they can do it.
TMWinand 1 year ago
Mariah!!! Duh. Haha
MusicLuver093 1 year ago
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Flawless whistle: Shanice
Longest: Debelah
Most Emotional: Chante
Most Beautiful: Mariah
MrRyanMark 1 year ago
The two I love the most is Chante Moore when she was singing in that red dress, and Shanice singing Yesterday.
lyricalpoet10 1 year ago 6
I like all of them, mayb cause imma a fanatic about women who can hit these kinds of notes. all of them offer somethin different in their whistle abilities. and alot of people fail to realize Debelah can also enunciate, rather clearly, in the whistle register
neworleans504fresh 1 year ago
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ajbenful 1 year ago
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Mariah Carey
Dinesh352 1 year ago 9
todas cantan perfectamente bien!!TODAS!!! ES MAS,LA VOZ MAS FRAGIL DE TODAS ES LA DE MARIAH! HASTA SILBANDO
chacharolio 1 year ago
Hands down a person with common sense would know Mariah ate everyone in this contest. Mariah's whistles sound effortless and angelic, while the others sound and look like their struggling. I like Shanice also but you to state facts @Kumtekmeon, how dare you say that Shanice has more vocal power then Mariah. Have you heard "Make it happen" or "Jesus oh what a wonderful child." I doubt Shanice would even say she would do a better job then Mariah at those songs.
miguelharris1991 1 year ago
@miguelharris1991 I agree with that kumtek. I doubt mariah can do shanice I'm Crying or Turn down the lights. Those are much harder songs than ones mentioned. Haven't you heard shanice take on mariah My All?
ajbenful 1 year ago
Mariah Carey Keep hitting thoses angel notes =)
deon424702 1 year ago
@AndreiiOnline
I am well aware of Mimi's talents, but at the end of the day what I said before stands!
Seetdeh 1 year ago
OOhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
mariah carey always the best
clabelinsm 1 year ago
Mariah best Whistle queen
cassiehassan 1 year ago
I think Mariah Carey got this. Mariah has the ability to talk and whistle at the same time.. Now that's skillz! Also Mariah has more control over the whistle
Shanice sounds like she is trying to scream it.
1. Mariah
2. Chante Moore
3. Debelah Morgan
4. Shanice Wilson
LoboWarriorForever 1 year ago
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At 1:48 It's a G#7..
And There isn't Battle Because Mariah Is The Best And Shanice,Chante And Debelah Can't Whistles Like Mariah Because Mimi Is The Best! :P
MCfanforeverXD 2 years ago
@MCfanforeverXD, get over yourself. All these ladies have something special to offer. It is biased comments like yours why many turn against Mimi. How high Mimi goes is insignificant here. One thing for sure Shanice can sing with or without using whistle and still pull the song off, but If Mimi leaves the whistle out, the song sounds bare. I love Mimi but that's the truth.
Seetdeh 2 years ago
Lol!
I Am Sorry But When I Write This Comment I Don't Want To Say That Shanice,Chant and Debelah can't sing! They Can Sing!
But In The Whitsle Register, Mariah Wins And If You "Love MAriah" Or Hate Her You Can't Say The Opposite! And If You Say " If Mimi leaves the whistle out, the song sounds bare" why do you "Love" Her?
No Offense ;D
MCfanforeverXD 1 year ago
Thanks for clarifying yourself and no matter what, persons will always have difference of opinion as to who is better; not everyone loves roses, some prefer lilies. I love Mimi because her music reminds me much of my growing years and much of her songs are melodic and catchy. To say the songs without the whistles are bare is not an insult, but Mimi has deliberately arranged the songs around her whistles so when she leaves them out a void is sensed. Also her whistles are her strength.
Seetdeh 1 year ago
@Seetdeh All of these singers are amazing, no doubt, and it doesn't matter how high Mariah can go, but in NO WAY is it true that "if Mimi leaves the whistle out, the song sounds bare." She has PLENTY of songs that don't have the whistle in it. We Belong Together, One Sweet Day, Fantasy (Remix), Always Be My Baby, Hero...NONE Of these have the whistle. And are you going to call these "bare"? They are her signature songs.
HigeRox 1 year ago
@HigeRox,
I believe you have misread my comment. I was not speaking to songs that Mimi recorded without whistles, for example Hero and ABMB, I was speaking to the ones she whistled in. When she performs them live and exclude the whistle part, that in my opinion makes the songs incomplete.
Seetdeh 1 year ago
@Seetdeh Not necessarily. Mariah performed ATYNAF and VOL without whistles in her prime and they sounded fine without the whistle. Same with IIO.
Devotedlamb19 1 year ago
@Devotedlamb19
I have listened the songs you noted and as for VOL there was an obvious void at 2:45 which comes across as unplanned on her part. ATYNAF's whistle comes in at the very climax of the recorded song and so her ad libs along with the repeats of the backing vocals work beautifully. As for IIO that is excusable as the whistle is just about 2 seconds long. Mimi doesn't do much improvisation when performing live and so it's easy to feel that something is missing.
Seetdeh 1 year ago
@Seetdeh Which performance of Vision of Love did you listen to? I was thinking of the first Arsenio Hall performance. She did it without the whistle and I think it's one of her best performances.
Devotedlamb19 1 year ago