@Complaintdesk I agree with TadFortitude, you understand this verse perfectly. It is ludicrous to translate "body of Christ" as reality of Christ, seeing as Paul in chapter one gave the readers the definition "body of Christ," as being the church. To translate the greek word SOMA as anything other than BODY is foolishness, it is never translated as anything other than body in the new testament, and cannot be translated as the word reality. Believers kept sabbath and holydays until Constantine.
Do you not agree that the sacrifices of the old testament represented the lamb of God, the reality being Christ's body?
Another example is the following:
Hbr 10:1 ¶ For the law having a shadow of good things to come, [and] not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
If one translates Colossians 2 in the way that's mentioned, you'd have to do the same..
@Myhopeisinhim My friend i dont think i undestand your problem ! You dont belive that saturday its the sabat because you think its only for the jews ?? In the Bible are only Ten Commandments and after that is the Law of Moses (ceremonial law of the Old Testament) and at the cross the ceremonial law was abolished but the Ten Comamndments was not ! "It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the Law to fail." Luke 16:17 .
The seventh day sabbath was part of the old covenant, and was the seventh day of the week. No one will argue that point:) However, the sabbath is not as it once was, just as circumcision is not.
In the old covenant, circumcision was of the flesh, something you did in the flesh. No one will teach that it stayed the same way as the old covenant right? It became one of a spiritual nature, performed on the heart by the Spirit of the Living God to all who come to Christ.
Likewise the same is of the sabbath rest. In the old covenant, the laws, including the sabbath, spoke of things you do in the flesh which spoke of a greater thing to come which would be performed in the Spirit. The sabbath was no different. On the seventh day people physically in the flesh rested from their works.
This foreshadowed the time that when you come to Christ, you'd rest from your works and accept his works and be entered into his resting place because of what he did..
and not what you do in the flesh. It becomes one of a Spiritual nature where you are entered into his rest. You can't enter this by what you do in the flesh, no more than you could enter the greater circumcision by circumcising your flesh.
In Christ, we have been entered into the greater sabbath and the greater circumcision through which he accomplishes in you, and not by what you do in the flesh. Is it okay to circumcise the flesh, by all means. Is it okay to keep the fleshly..
sabbath, by all means:) But to deny that they have changed to a spiritual nature of what Christ accomplishes in you through his precious blood is to deny the purpose of the law which was to foreshadow the works of Christ that he would perform in you, and for you.
As for Luke 16:17, you do realize that the term law is not referring solely to the ten commandments, but the entire law of God, which was the book of the law. Nothing in the book could pass until all be fulfilled.
@Myhopeisinhim Luke 16:17 is reffering Only to the Ten Commandments !!! If you read Romans 10 :4 there you find that Jesus abolished the ceremonial law (Law of Moses) by his death .
Have you ever done a search on what the phrase, "the law and the prophets" is referring to and what the scriptures reveals it to mean? Or are you going based on what your church has said?
@Myhopeisinhim Ceremonial law were rules which concerned the sacrificial offerings, circumcision and typical feasts pointing forward to Christ. God did not speak these things directly to the people.He gave them to Moses to deliver to them.God did not write them at all. Moses wrote them.They were not engraven on stone but written in a book and that book was not placed inside the Ark but it was placed in pockets in the sides of that Ark. Notice this text now in Deuteronomy 31:24-26
Do you remember why Moses went up the mountain? And why God stopped talking to the people? Was it because he finished saying what he wanted to say, or was it for another reason?
Also, the entire book was considered to be the law of God. One just happened to be the words of the covenant, while the other was the book of the covenant which was left outside the ark so it was a visible witness against the people and it had the ten commandments written in it twice.
the term commandments does not necessarily refer to the ten. john tells us that loving others and believing on the name of Jesus are commandments as well. Neither of which are in the 10.
@Myhopeisinhim Of Course they are and if you read Mark 12:28:31 we see that Jesus speaks about the same thing ! In the Ten Commandments the first 4 commandments (Exodus 20 :1-11) is for us to love our God and the next 6 commandments (Exodus 20:12:17) is for us to love our neighbours !!
Read my comment over, you can try to tangle with it any way you want, but simple fact of the matter is there are more than just 10 commandments in the bible, believing on the name of his Son Jesus Christ is one of them..and don't try to tell me that is one of the ten commandments because it's not.
The entire law is related to each other, but each commandment is separate and on it's own. You can follow the command to love when you do something entirely unrelated to the ten.
For example if you forgive someone, you are showing love to them...even though something may be related doesn't mean IT IS that something. You are denying the truth of the matter that there are more than just ten commandments, just so that when you see verses with the term "commandments" that you can interpret it to be the ten.
@Myhopeisinhim If Messiah only gave us one commandment, all writers would have mentioned it, but it would have been a violation of Torah thereby making him NOT be the Messiah (because he would not have led a sinless life by violating Deuteronomy 4:2). Besides, He didn't say it was a "neos" commandment (brand new), but a "kainos" commandment (renewed, like the moon every month). And It isn't a new commandment anyway, it is the basis for the entire torah - Leviticus 19:18.
Curious, have you ever studied the phrase used in colossions 2? And checked out how it is used throughout the scriptures? What it refers to in other passages?
How can Christians so grossly misunderstand Colossians 2:16? What Paul is actually saying is, "Accept no judgement from those not in the Church (body of Christ), regarding your observance of dietary laws, holydays, new moons and sabbaths. Celebrations of things yet to come." You Christians are interpreting it to say the opposite of what it says. In Colossians 2:16, Paul is NOT giving believers in Jesus liscence to drink blood and eat humanflesh. Learn english and its use of puncuation.
Actually, it's telling people not to pass judgment on such matters, whether you keep them or not, because they are not the reality. They are not the greater light so to speak, that they were shadows of Christ, who IS the reality. That whatever we do, do for his glory, whether you eat meat or don't eat meat, do for his glory. Whether you keep the seventh day sabbath or not, whatever you do, do it for his glory.
another man's servant. The bible says, let every man be convicted in his own mind. These aren't what are important, Jesus, his blood, and the cross are what are important, those are what will get one into heaven, not what they do or don't do according to the law.
@Myhopeisinhim, The seventh-day Sabbath was never in any way a shadow that pointed toward Christ, and was fulfilled with His coming. The Sabbath was established in Eden before man sinned, and needed a Saviour.
Early texts indicate that abraham, Isaac and Jacob never kept the sabbath, so even if the word existed, that would be besides the point. The bible not once shows anyone keeping it before moses, and the only indication we have that mankind was given it was when it was revealed to Moses.
And again in Deuteronomy, it says that God made a covenant(the covenant of the ten), with them and not with their forefathers. I think the bible is pretty clear on the matter.
@Myhopeisinhim, the Bible does NOT say the weekly Sabbath was a shadow pointing toward the Cross. The "sabbaths" spoken of in Col. 2:16, 17 were the ceremonial sabbaths added to the various feasts. Yes indeed, study the phrase used in detail, in context, using sound scholarship. How could the Sabbath of Creation Week point toward the Cross, when God created it before Adam and Eve sinned? Jesus kept the Sabbath in the tomb. Isaiah 66:23 says the Sabbath will be observed in the New Earth.
@Myhopeisinhim 1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? The passage is quite clear without adding a private interpretation. Holydays, new moon, and shabbat are shadows of things yet to come: not of that which has come; is what the verse says. Simply paraphrasing, the verse reads: Receive no judgement regarding your food or drink, how you keep festivals, observe new moons or sabbaths, unless it comes from within the church (body of Christ).
@Complaintdesk I agree with TadFortitude, you understand this verse perfectly. It is ludicrous to translate "body of Christ" as reality of Christ, seeing as Paul in chapter one gave the readers the definition of what he means by "body of Christ," as being the church. To translate the greek word SOMA as anything other than body is foolishness, it is never translated as anything other than body in the new testament. Believers observed sabbath and jewish holydays until Constantine.Watch the video.
Jesus said the Sabbath is the day of which He is lord: "For the son of man is lord even of the Sabbath day." (Matthew 12:8.) The Sabbath was made for all mankind on the seventh day of Creation Week--see Genesis 2:2, 3 (compare Exodus 20:11). All mankind was represented by Adam when the Sabbath was created. Jesus said: "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27.) He did not say the Sabbath was just for the Jews.
@Myhopeisinhim, when does the first command not to commit murder appear in the Bible? The Ten Commandments did not institute anything new. God promised blessings to the descendents of Abraham "because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws." (Gen. 26:4.) Obviously the commandments of God were known to the faithful centuries before Sinai, even though they were not enunciated in Scripture earlier.
The circumcision command existed prior to Moses, but does that mean the law of Moses existed before? No. When does the first sabbath command appear, and who does the bible say that God revealed the sabbath to?
@Myhopeisinhim, please be honest about this. God created the Sabbath in Eden (Gen, 2:2, 3). The Fourth commandment says that day was the Sabbath. (Ex. 20:11). Jesus said "the Sabbath was made for man." (Mark 2:27) This was before there were any Jews. Cain was held guilty of murdering his brother, even though the sixth commandment was not spelled out in the Genesis narrative. What laws and commandments did Abraham keep, long before Sinai? (Ref. Gen. 26:4.) God's law has always existed.
6. Bible only declares that God rested in Genesis, not that any other man rested
7. There is no record of anyone else resting on the sabbath in the book of Genesis
8. The sabbath is a shadow of Christ (Colossians 2:14-16)
Now, according to these 8 things, two of the most evident is that we're told he didn't make this covennat with their forefathers(abraham, Isaac, Jacob, etc), and that the sabbath was revealed to Moses. God shared circumcision, sacrifices, etc,
in the book of Genesis. He shared numerous things with us, but one thing he never ever inspired the writer of Genesis to do was to show any man keeping the sabbath. No record of man keeping it until the book of Exodus, with the exact Person that Nehemiah declared that God revealed it to.
Now, can you refute these points and show more blunt evidence to the contrary?
I ask you to be honest, can you show anything so blunt as what Nehemiah did when he said that God made known his sabbath to Moses, that there is no record of man keeping it in the book of Genesis, etc.
Did you know that even the jewish people teach that Abraham Isaac and Jacob didn't have the sabbath? It's even mentioned in Justin Martyr's writings when he spoke with Trypho the jew.
@Myhopeisinhim, in more than 100 ancient and modern languages the seventh day of the week was named "Sabbath" or its equivalent. Never were such names associated with the first day of the week.Tablets recovered from Assyrian ruins indicate a day called "Sabattu" was kept as a weekly day of rest by a people known as the Acadians, who preceded the Assyrians in the occupation of Mesopotamia, many centuries before the time of Moses, and even before Abraham.
That still doesn't teach or say that the sabbath was given as a commandment at the beginning. Also, the term commandments doesn't refer simply the ten commandments, he also has many other commandments that he gave.
There is a commandment that wasn't given until the new covenant, which is to believe on the name of his son Jesus Christ. Nehemiah specifically states it was revealed to Moses, and the scriptures support that.
@Myhopeisinhim, your arguments depend upon arbitrary assumptions. That the Sabbath was revealed to Moses does not preclude the Sabbath being observed earlier. Jesus said God made the Sabbath FOR MAN, in Eden. In the texts you cite, the Sabbath was assumed to exist already. God was merely reminding the people (who had spent 400 years in slavery) about it. Remember WHY God said He created the Sabbath (Ex. 20:11). Why do you make a difference between the 4th and 6th commandments--which judged Cain?
@Myhopeisinhim, when does the first command not to commit murder appear in the Bible? The Ten Commandments did not institute anything new. God promised blessings to the descendents of Abraham "because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws." (Gen. 26:4.) Obviously the commandments of God were known to the faithful centuries before Sinai, even though they were not enunciated in Scripture earlier.
@Myhopeisinhim, when does the first command not to commit murder appear in the Bible? The Ten Commandments did not institute anything new. God promised blessings to the descendents of Abraham "because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws." (Gen. 26:4.) This is how Abraham showed his faith in God. Obviously the commandments of God were known to the faithful centuries before Sinai, even though they were not enunciated in Scripture earlier.
Jesus said the Sabbath is the day of which He is lord: "For the son of man is lord even of the Sabbath day." (Matthew 12:8.) The Sabbath was made for all mankind on the seventh day of Creation Week--see Genesis 2:2, 3 (compare Exodus 20:11). All mankind was represented by Adam when the Sabbath was created. Jesus said: "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27.) He did not say the Sabbath was just for the Jews.
@RonLambert247--Sorry for the quadruple post. I was trying to edit it to add the sentence that Abraham showed his faith in God by keep God's commandments.
This is great! I was just sharing this DVD with someone at church today! I decided to see if it was on YouTube and low and behold here it is! May many people be truly blessed by it.
Except bocks are not trying to survive. It's not the theory of chance, it's survival of the fittest. There is reason for diversity, it's not random and requires no designer. There is no explaining of the blocks through faith. There are forces that assist, the bible does not explain this diversity. As for a purpose, revelations removes all noble purpose for man.
@lalapannts The chemicals weren't trying to survive either, mate, you missed the point. The blocks were not to signify living creatures or cells, but the unlikelihood of the appropriate chemicals coming together by chance alone...impossible. Go back and listen properly.
@Complaintdesk I agree with TadFortitude, you understand this verse perfectly. It is ludicrous to translate "body of Christ" as reality of Christ, seeing as Paul in chapter one gave the readers the definition "body of Christ," as being the church. To translate the greek word SOMA as anything other than BODY is foolishness, it is never translated as anything other than body in the new testament, and cannot be translated as the word reality. Believers kept sabbath and holydays until Constantine.
blackeyedturtle 2 months ago
@blackeyedturtle
Do you not agree that the sacrifices of the old testament represented the lamb of God, the reality being Christ's body?
Another example is the following:
Hbr 10:1 ¶ For the law having a shadow of good things to come, [and] not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
If one translates Colossians 2 in the way that's mentioned, you'd have to do the same..
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
with this verse, and that opens up a whole new issue.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim My friend i dont think i undestand your problem ! You dont belive that saturday its the sabat because you think its only for the jews ?? In the Bible are only Ten Commandments and after that is the Law of Moses (ceremonial law of the Old Testament) and at the cross the ceremonial law was abolished but the Ten Comamndments was not ! "It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the Law to fail." Luke 16:17 .
AM5743 2 months ago 3
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Actually the bible says there are more than 10 commandments, three of which are:
1. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind
2. Love your neighbor as yourself or as the new covenant says, love others as Christ loved you
3. believe on the name of his son, Jesus Christ
So according to this, there are more than 10, no matter what type of a spin people try to put on it.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
The seventh day sabbath was part of the old covenant, and was the seventh day of the week. No one will argue that point:) However, the sabbath is not as it once was, just as circumcision is not.
In the old covenant, circumcision was of the flesh, something you did in the flesh. No one will teach that it stayed the same way as the old covenant right? It became one of a spiritual nature, performed on the heart by the Spirit of the Living God to all who come to Christ.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
Likewise the same is of the sabbath rest. In the old covenant, the laws, including the sabbath, spoke of things you do in the flesh which spoke of a greater thing to come which would be performed in the Spirit. The sabbath was no different. On the seventh day people physically in the flesh rested from their works.
This foreshadowed the time that when you come to Christ, you'd rest from your works and accept his works and be entered into his resting place because of what he did..
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
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and not what you do in the flesh. It becomes one of a Spiritual nature where you are entered into his rest. You can't enter this by what you do in the flesh, no more than you could enter the greater circumcision by circumcising your flesh.
In Christ, we have been entered into the greater sabbath and the greater circumcision through which he accomplishes in you, and not by what you do in the flesh. Is it okay to circumcise the flesh, by all means. Is it okay to keep the fleshly..
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
sabbath, by all means:) But to deny that they have changed to a spiritual nature of what Christ accomplishes in you through his precious blood is to deny the purpose of the law which was to foreshadow the works of Christ that he would perform in you, and for you.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@AM5743
As for Luke 16:17, you do realize that the term law is not referring solely to the ten commandments, but the entire law of God, which was the book of the law. Nothing in the book could pass until all be fulfilled.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim Luke 16:17 is reffering Only to the Ten Commandments !!! If you read Romans 10 :4 there you find that Jesus abolished the ceremonial law (Law of Moses) by his death .
AM5743 2 months ago 3
@AM5743
Have you ever done a search on what the phrase, "the law and the prophets" is referring to and what the scriptures reveals it to mean? Or are you going based on what your church has said?
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim Ceremonial law were rules which concerned the sacrificial offerings, circumcision and typical feasts pointing forward to Christ. God did not speak these things directly to the people.He gave them to Moses to deliver to them.God did not write them at all. Moses wrote them.They were not engraven on stone but written in a book and that book was not placed inside the Ark but it was placed in pockets in the sides of that Ark. Notice this text now in Deuteronomy 31:24-26
AM5743 2 months ago 4
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Do you remember why Moses went up the mountain? And why God stopped talking to the people? Was it because he finished saying what he wanted to say, or was it for another reason?
Also, the entire book was considered to be the law of God. One just happened to be the words of the covenant, while the other was the book of the covenant which was left outside the ark so it was a visible witness against the people and it had the ten commandments written in it twice.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@am5743
the term commandments does not necessarily refer to the ten. john tells us that loving others and believing on the name of Jesus are commandments as well. Neither of which are in the 10.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim Of Course they are and if you read Mark 12:28:31 we see that Jesus speaks about the same thing ! In the Ten Commandments the first 4 commandments (Exodus 20 :1-11) is for us to love our God and the next 6 commandments (Exodus 20:12:17) is for us to love our neighbours !!
AM5743 2 months ago 5
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Read my comment over, you can try to tangle with it any way you want, but simple fact of the matter is there are more than just 10 commandments in the bible, believing on the name of his Son Jesus Christ is one of them..and don't try to tell me that is one of the ten commandments because it's not.
The entire law is related to each other, but each commandment is separate and on it's own. You can follow the command to love when you do something entirely unrelated to the ten.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
For example if you forgive someone, you are showing love to them...even though something may be related doesn't mean IT IS that something. You are denying the truth of the matter that there are more than just ten commandments, just so that when you see verses with the term "commandments" that you can interpret it to be the ten.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim If Messiah only gave us one commandment, all writers would have mentioned it, but it would have been a violation of Torah thereby making him NOT be the Messiah (because he would not have led a sinless life by violating Deuteronomy 4:2). Besides, He didn't say it was a "neos" commandment (brand new), but a "kainos" commandment (renewed, like the moon every month). And It isn't a new commandment anyway, it is the basis for the entire torah - Leviticus 19:18.
LibertyTreeGal 1 month ago
@ronlambert247
Curious, have you ever studied the phrase used in colossions 2? And checked out how it is used throughout the scriptures? What it refers to in other passages?
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
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Ellen G. White calls herself, the "Voice of GOD".
Note that there is no twisting here as SDA's do to the title of the Pope.
So, in Latin her name is: Ellena Alba Vox Dei, or Ellen White Voice of GOD.
Ellena = L+L=100,
Alba (White)= L=50
Vox (Voice)=V=5 + X=10 = 15
Dei (GOD)=D=500 +I=1 = 501
Total these three numbers, and we have, 100 + 50+ 15 + 501= 666
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Ellen = L+L=100,
Gould=U+L+D=555,
White=a double 'U' = 2 'V's +1 =11.
Total these three numbers, and we have, 100 + 555 + 11 = 666.
akinspire 3 months ago
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Complaintdesk 5 months ago
How can Christians so grossly misunderstand Colossians 2:16? What Paul is actually saying is, "Accept no judgement from those not in the Church (body of Christ), regarding your observance of dietary laws, holydays, new moons and sabbaths. Celebrations of things yet to come." You Christians are interpreting it to say the opposite of what it says. In Colossians 2:16, Paul is NOT giving believers in Jesus liscence to drink blood and eat humanflesh. Learn english and its use of puncuation.
Complaintdesk 5 months ago
@Complaintdesk
Actually, it's telling people not to pass judgment on such matters, whether you keep them or not, because they are not the reality. They are not the greater light so to speak, that they were shadows of Christ, who IS the reality. That whatever we do, do for his glory, whether you eat meat or don't eat meat, do for his glory. Whether you keep the seventh day sabbath or not, whatever you do, do it for his glory.
Let no one judge because who are we to judge...
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
another man's servant. The bible says, let every man be convicted in his own mind. These aren't what are important, Jesus, his blood, and the cross are what are important, those are what will get one into heaven, not what they do or don't do according to the law.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim, The seventh-day Sabbath was never in any way a shadow that pointed toward Christ, and was fulfilled with His coming. The Sabbath was established in Eden before man sinned, and needed a Saviour.
RonLambert247 2 months ago 2
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The bible states very specifically that the sabbath was a shadow, the reality was Christ:
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.
Now people have claimed that this isn't speaking of the seventh day, but if they thoroughly study the phrase used, they'd realize it does.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
Early texts indicate that abraham, Isaac and Jacob never kept the sabbath, so even if the word existed, that would be besides the point. The bible not once shows anyone keeping it before moses, and the only indication we have that mankind was given it was when it was revealed to Moses.
And again in Deuteronomy, it says that God made a covenant(the covenant of the ten), with them and not with their forefathers. I think the bible is pretty clear on the matter.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim Revelation 14:12
King James Version (KJV)
Revelation 14 :12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
AM5743 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim, the Bible does NOT say the weekly Sabbath was a shadow pointing toward the Cross. The "sabbaths" spoken of in Col. 2:16, 17 were the ceremonial sabbaths added to the various feasts. Yes indeed, study the phrase used in detail, in context, using sound scholarship. How could the Sabbath of Creation Week point toward the Cross, when God created it before Adam and Eve sinned? Jesus kept the Sabbath in the tomb. Isaiah 66:23 says the Sabbath will be observed in the New Earth.
RonLambert247 2 months ago 2
@Myhopeisinhim 1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? The passage is quite clear without adding a private interpretation. Holydays, new moon, and shabbat are shadows of things yet to come: not of that which has come; is what the verse says. Simply paraphrasing, the verse reads: Receive no judgement regarding your food or drink, how you keep festivals, observe new moons or sabbaths, unless it comes from within the church (body of Christ).
Complaintdesk 2 months ago
@Complaintdesk I agree with TadFortitude, you understand this verse perfectly. It is ludicrous to translate "body of Christ" as reality of Christ, seeing as Paul in chapter one gave the readers the definition of what he means by "body of Christ," as being the church. To translate the greek word SOMA as anything other than body is foolishness, it is never translated as anything other than body in the new testament. Believers observed sabbath and jewish holydays until Constantine.Watch the video.
blackeyedturtle 2 months ago
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Okay, so you believe that the entire law should still be kept because it's a reality of things yet to come and hasn't been fulfilled yet?
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
Jesus said the Sabbath is the day of which He is lord: "For the son of man is lord even of the Sabbath day." (Matthew 12:8.) The Sabbath was made for all mankind on the seventh day of Creation Week--see Genesis 2:2, 3 (compare Exodus 20:11). All mankind was represented by Adam when the Sabbath was created. Jesus said: "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27.) He did not say the Sabbath was just for the Jews.
RonLambert247 9 months ago
@RonLambert247
When does the first command to keep the sabbath appear in the bible, and who does it appear to?
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim
Genesis 2 (KJV)
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
AM5743 2 months ago
@AM5743
Hey there:) That states God rested, but that isn't the sabbath command, nor does it show man keeping it.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim, when does the first command not to commit murder appear in the Bible? The Ten Commandments did not institute anything new. God promised blessings to the descendents of Abraham "because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws." (Gen. 26:4.) Obviously the commandments of God were known to the faithful centuries before Sinai, even though they were not enunciated in Scripture earlier.
RonLambert247 2 months ago
@RonLambert247
The circumcision command existed prior to Moses, but does that mean the law of Moses existed before? No. When does the first sabbath command appear, and who does the bible say that God revealed the sabbath to?
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim, please be honest about this. God created the Sabbath in Eden (Gen, 2:2, 3). The Fourth commandment says that day was the Sabbath. (Ex. 20:11). Jesus said "the Sabbath was made for man." (Mark 2:27) This was before there were any Jews. Cain was held guilty of murdering his brother, even though the sixth commandment was not spelled out in the Genesis narrative. What laws and commandments did Abraham keep, long before Sinai? (Ref. Gen. 26:4.) God's law has always existed.
RonLambert247 2 months ago
@RonLambert247
The bible reveals a few more things about the sabbath that tend to be overlooked
1. The sabbath was revealed to Moses (Nehemiah 9:14)
2. The term sabbath that is used of the seventh day does not appear until Exodus 16
3. The first time the command was issued was in Exodus 16
4. The covenant which contained the sabbath command was not given to their ancestors but with Moses and those who were alive that day (Deut 5:3)
5. No other nation had so great of a law...
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
...(Deut 4:7)
6. Bible only declares that God rested in Genesis, not that any other man rested
7. There is no record of anyone else resting on the sabbath in the book of Genesis
8. The sabbath is a shadow of Christ (Colossians 2:14-16)
Now, according to these 8 things, two of the most evident is that we're told he didn't make this covennat with their forefathers(abraham, Isaac, Jacob, etc), and that the sabbath was revealed to Moses. God shared circumcision, sacrifices, etc,
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
in the book of Genesis. He shared numerous things with us, but one thing he never ever inspired the writer of Genesis to do was to show any man keeping the sabbath. No record of man keeping it until the book of Exodus, with the exact Person that Nehemiah declared that God revealed it to.
Now, can you refute these points and show more blunt evidence to the contrary?
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
I ask you to be honest, can you show anything so blunt as what Nehemiah did when he said that God made known his sabbath to Moses, that there is no record of man keeping it in the book of Genesis, etc.
Did you know that even the jewish people teach that Abraham Isaac and Jacob didn't have the sabbath? It's even mentioned in Justin Martyr's writings when he spoke with Trypho the jew.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim, in more than 100 ancient and modern languages the seventh day of the week was named "Sabbath" or its equivalent. Never were such names associated with the first day of the week.Tablets recovered from Assyrian ruins indicate a day called "Sabattu" was kept as a weekly day of rest by a people known as the Acadians, who preceded the Assyrians in the occupation of Mesopotamia, many centuries before the time of Moses, and even before Abraham.
RonLambert247 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim
Psalm 111 - King James Version (KJV)
7 The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his COMMANDMENTS are sure.
8 They stand fast for Ever and Ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.
AM5743 2 months ago
@AM5743
That still doesn't teach or say that the sabbath was given as a commandment at the beginning. Also, the term commandments doesn't refer simply the ten commandments, he also has many other commandments that he gave.
There is a commandment that wasn't given until the new covenant, which is to believe on the name of his son Jesus Christ. Nehemiah specifically states it was revealed to Moses, and the scriptures support that.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim, your arguments depend upon arbitrary assumptions. That the Sabbath was revealed to Moses does not preclude the Sabbath being observed earlier. Jesus said God made the Sabbath FOR MAN, in Eden. In the texts you cite, the Sabbath was assumed to exist already. God was merely reminding the people (who had spent 400 years in slavery) about it. Remember WHY God said He created the Sabbath (Ex. 20:11). Why do you make a difference between the 4th and 6th commandments--which judged Cain?
RonLambert247 2 months ago
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@Myhopeisinhim, when does the first command not to commit murder appear in the Bible? The Ten Commandments did not institute anything new. God promised blessings to the descendents of Abraham "because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws." (Gen. 26:4.) Obviously the commandments of God were known to the faithful centuries before Sinai, even though they were not enunciated in Scripture earlier.
RonLambert247 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim, when does the first command not to commit murder appear in the Bible? The Ten Commandments did not institute anything new. God promised blessings to the descendents of Abraham "because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws." (Gen. 26:4.) This is how Abraham showed his faith in God. Obviously the commandments of God were known to the faithful centuries before Sinai, even though they were not enunciated in Scripture earlier.
RonLambert247 2 months ago
Jesus said the Sabbath is the day of which He is lord: "For the son of man is lord even of the Sabbath day." (Matthew 12:8.) The Sabbath was made for all mankind on the seventh day of Creation Week--see Genesis 2:2, 3 (compare Exodus 20:11). All mankind was represented by Adam when the Sabbath was created. Jesus said: "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27.) He did not say the Sabbath was just for the Jews.
RonLambert247 9 months ago
@RonLambert247--Sorry for the quadruple post. I was trying to edit it to add the sentence that Abraham showed his faith in God by keep God's commandments.
RonLambert247 2 months ago
The Sabbath is Sanctified and a Hollowed day, what a blessing to be a partaker on the Lords day.
ZIONCYNT 11 months ago
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ewcarter3 11 months ago
Except bocks are not trying to survive. It's not the theory of chance, it's survival of the fittest. There is reason for diversity, it's not random and requires no designer. There is no explaining of the blocks through faith. There are forces that assist, the bible does not explain this diversity. As for a purpose, revelations removes all noble purpose for man.
lalapannts 11 months ago
@lalapannts The chemicals weren't trying to survive either, mate, you missed the point. The blocks were not to signify living creatures or cells, but the unlikelihood of the appropriate chemicals coming together by chance alone...impossible. Go back and listen properly.
jablewitt 4 months ago