This is nothing more than a token of love, from a family member, DAMNED IT BE LEGAL OR ILLEAGAL! At funerals of my fallen motorcycle breatheren, we would sometimes pour a beer, or favorite pop on the grave of our friend. AND I HOPE SOMEBODY WOULD DO THE SAME FOR ME WHEN MY TIME COMES! Is it so damned important to wait for paperwork, clearance and redtape. Not everything is so black and white.
Continued from post below to "locodriver107": (4) No Company should Ever be allowed to Plunder Ore from the Fitzgerald to make More Money, they were insured and got PAID long ago for the loss of the Ship & Cargo!! (5) The ONLY ones who lost here were the Men Killed & their Families! (6) Locodriver107, would you like your Mothers or Fathers Grave dug up for some Companies Profit? Its Stupid Shallow Fuckers like you who say shit without thinking! Go Suck Off More Corporate Executive Cock!
locodriver107's comments were obviously made in ignorance as the amount of taconite recovered wouldn't make a lick of difference in terms of steel production. It sure gave those asshole "friends" of the recovery team a conversation piece, though.
locodriver kinda strikes me as a clued out ecoterrorist, though, so I'm almost to the point of excusing his ignorance.
@lesterclaypool1 Thank you for the support! As it turns out locodriver107 is just an ignorant Kid. But, where are the Parents, Family, Schools these days? My kids are only 12 & 14, but they both "clearly" know right from wrong, respect, the value of a dollar but more important the value of a Human Life! I'm not boasting, but i teach them that this "selfish extreme right wing corporate me generation thing is wrong"! And that working people are as important as any rich guy or girl. Thanks!
ive got to say though the removal of tactonite from the hull isnt really wrong the company lost a lot of money and they have a right to retreive their ore also iron ore is invaluable these days especialy with a lack of recycling on steel.
@locodriver107 "SHAME ON YOU"! What a thing to say here, You Said: "the company lost a lot of money", So WHAT? (1) 29 WORKING MEN LOST THEIR LIVES on the Fitzgerald Sinking, and 29 Families SUFFER To This Day! (2) The wreck is a "LEGAL GRAVE SITE", No Bodies were ever recovered, this is not some simple car wreck in a ditch! (3) Its been Proved that this Shipping Company you care so much about put off Major Maintenance to save money, this aided the SINKING & KILLED MEN! "Continued Next Post":
Taking things off the boat is WRONG..however yes I agree this is technicly wrong they were trying to do something for a family member NOT just as a stunt...as for what they have done with the Taconite and the bell they should be strung up from the nearestyard arm
The girl who wanted to place a beer can at her fathers gravesite should not be infringed by canadian officials. The canadians are all about individual rights as long as the state decides what they are. canadian brain cells are frost bitten and don't work right anyhow.
WTF are you talking about? The man you saw there, the one who promised the girl he would place the brew on her father's grave is a CANADIAN navy officer!!! And some AMERICAN bleeding heart watchdog is criticizing him for doing so! You're the one who's brain damaged! Probably from inhaling too much gun-smoke...
Why don't these people raise hell about the plundering of Indian burial grounds or the removal of Mummies from their tombs in Egypt? That is far worse than a beer can on a wreck.
The placement of the beer can in the pilot house and the taconite mining operation of the wreck site are violations of the terms archaeological license that specified nothing could penetrate or be placed in the wreck nor could anything be disturbed. You can view the license on the You Tube video, "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald: Historical Documents.
So, which is the problem? First you were arguing against this because apparently some arbitrary "permission" was needed from the rest of the family members, because somehow you felt that the majority of them were allowed to tell the others how they were "allowed" to grieve. If it's merely a legal issue, then how the family members feel is absolutely irrelevant.
@bnodurft you sound educated-WITH NO COMMON SENSE! Shipwrecks are gravesites: havn't you gone to a grave and seen something a personal value on it? like a teddy bear or flowers?? You remind me of the leaders of Nazi Germany- ALL Ph. D's to a man- WITHOUT A LICK OF COMMON SENSE!!!!
I agree, one can of beer as a mememto from a dead crewmans daughter seems harmless. Maybe if they could have squeezed and ruptured the can, leaving JUST the beer would have been better, if possible. Then the daughter could have the can as a memento. As far as the taconite, come ON there are thousands of tons of it! They could sell it as souvineers and give proceeds to the survivors or a historical trust.
After watching several of the videos. One can only conclude that these men are no professionals. From moving skulls around, leaving beer cans and taking pellets for souvenirs - this is not acceptable- period!
Why do all the family members need to be in agreement on what's appropriate and what's not? The gesture was for one man from his daughter. You argue that she can't do that because it offends everyone else - telling her how she's "allowed" to honor her father is equally insulting. I'm sure not everyone approves of leaving mementos at the Vietnam Memorial in DC (or any memorial/cemetery), but at least we allow everyone enough respect to mourn in his or her own way.
Not all family members agree whether the beer can should have been placed in the Fitz pilot house. See the comments posted by a family member when this video was first posted.
@bnodurft...Wait, I'm confused. At the beginning, you stated that they made the comment about the beer can in the beginning of the video in 1994, yet you posted on the comment section that the beer was placed in 1995. AND being that the guy in the video said it was a pop-top,( I haven't seen a pop-top in twenty+ years), make this all very confusing.
@whoandtheha The beer can was placed in the Fitz pilot house in 1995. This was also reported in the National Geographic, January 1996, Vol. 189, No. 1.
What the general public does not understand is that it was a tradition to throw cans of beer over the side when you cross over the wreck of the Fitz especially if you are crossing over on the anniversary of the sinking. I am a United States Merchant Marine and I have worked the Lake Freighters.
very sad my dad died on this ship i hate the lake i love my dad very much and miss him wish he was stil alive never know how bad is was to miss a loved i was only 2 years old
You really should hang your head in shame. Your lies desecrate the memory of the men who died aboard the Edmund Fitzgerald. Try cleansing your soul by imagining how the real daughters of these men felt then, and feel now about their loss. Try also to imagine how the men themselves felt at the end, knowing they were about to die. You should ask God to forgive you for what you have done.
Look Truthspeaker, Shawna174 is a special little girl. She lost her daddy on the Edmund Fitzgerald (He has'nt been told yet, so don't be judgemental), so please be kind. There are people here who have been really nasty to this little girl, including her daddy who refuses to die despite being drowned all those years ago.
Give this little girl a chance - not everyone finds their daddy at the breakfast table ten years after he was drowned in the Superior.
Maybe next they'll sprinkle some asprine too in some lame attempt to be funny. Let's remember them by throwing a beer can in the control room? Oh please.
No. The Fitz sank in 1975. They put the beer can in the pilot house in 1995 in violation of the archaeological license that permitted the dive to Edmund Fitgerald.
First off... The International Commerce treaties Show the layout of the Great Lakes... The Edmund Fitzgerald In FACT sank ON CANADA's Side... Therefore all expitditions Must be overseen by Canadian Officials... The Ship may be owned by the U.S. But is laying On canadian Territory...
The Ontario Ministry of Culture designated the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald a heritage site of historical significance. The site cannot be altered without an archaeological license. Many of the family members ask that the site be left alone.
This is ridiculous. This navy commander cannot make the rules up as he goes along, he prolly had no advice on this talk: seriously incompetent; a liability to Canada.
I believe the song describes the Edmund Fitzgerald as "Pride of the Amercan side". I am completely shocked and very disapointed. This Kind of stuff should NOT be going on. Kinda makes me wonder what else is taking place at my grandfathers' resting place.Thank you so much for posting this video. Allen Johnson Grandson of Robert C. Rafferty
@3fitzgrld All this controversy over a beer can on a grave sight lol. Even if the "intentions" where not pure of heart? It's just a can right? I mean, I worked in a cemetery and you'd be suprised all the little tokens of affection "or not" people leave there on or around the head stones.
@RFKFANTS67 Well, this is probably the reason for the memorial service held at Whitefish point each year. I do completely understand someone wanting to leave something with a lost loved one. But it is not legal and is supposed to be protected. DO NOT DISTURB.
@3fitzgrld I understand, but I'd like to know why just the "Big Fitz" gets a restricted area more less, what about other wrecks? Like the Daniel J Morrell lost November 1966 on Lake Huron, with all hands lost but one "Dennis Hale" However I don't know if any of it's crew went to the bottom with her? Does anyone know?
Come on guys, first the Canadian navy has a policy on ship that crew may have two beers after they are off duty as long as it is 8hrs before a shift.Second this was done as a gesture by the crewmans daughter to remember her father, and i think its fitting.I mean its ok to leave a flower, pack of smokes and other items at grave sights, but not a beer on her fathers place of rest? Dereliction of duty, and charge, i would hate to see what you would do if it were serious.
The You Tube video "Operation Taconite on the Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" illustrates that the Great Lakes Shipwreck Historical Society and associate's apparent attitude was that it could ignore the terms of the archaeological license and do whatever they wanted at the wreck. This follows their established pattern illustrated in the You Tube video, "Grave Robbers of the Great Lakes". See the above comments. Many family members found placing a beer can on the wreck very offensive.
As you have said family members are offended, but the one family member who asked for the can to be placed was not. That said i do not agree with the looting of any wreak. I think in a way this girl was just giving back something to her dad with fond memories, nothing more.
@cavdragoon If she got to give something to her dad, then the other familys should have got to put something down there too! Its not fair what the lady did.
@Mortskcab Really? Thats like saying if 10 soldiers died in combat and one family was choosen to go to the site where they were killed that the family choosen should not place "something" on that site because the other familys could not? Come on. If my friend or family member died and i had the chance to place something in that spot that that individual liked or reminded me of them i would do so. Its the thought people. Like placing something on a tombstone no one buried around them complains.
@cavdragoon What they should have said to her was "okay We'll put the can down there as long as the other families get to put something down there too, becuase fair is fair."
@Mortskcab Fair is fair yes but it was a spur of the moment thing with good intentions.I think thoses intentions gave atleast one grieving family alittle closer.
More importantly, did the LCDR. read the permit? A military man is all about rules and discipline. Too many people in power these days seem to forget the importance of reading the fine print... It is surprising to see how the historical society is willing to support this...
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And what the Canadian Navy is doing with beer on board a military vessel I will never know! He brought great dishonor upon himself, his country, the canadian navy and the memory of the Crew of the Edmund Fitzgerald.
The LT commander is a joke to the Canadian Navy and should be ashamed of himself. Placing the Canadian Navy's garbage inside the Fitzgerald was tacky and disgraceful! He needs to be brought up on charges of dereliction of duty, conduct unbecoming a naval officer, and LITTERING!
All just a "can of worms" Shut all the dives and research down if ya gonna be so touchy..GMAB
jagerfaust2009 7 months ago
@jagerfaust2009 easy for you to say
3fitzgrld 2 months ago
@3fitzgrld Get a life,,,,
jagerfaust2009 2 months ago
This is nothing more than a token of love, from a family member, DAMNED IT BE LEGAL OR ILLEAGAL! At funerals of my fallen motorcycle breatheren, we would sometimes pour a beer, or favorite pop on the grave of our friend. AND I HOPE SOMEBODY WOULD DO THE SAME FOR ME WHEN MY TIME COMES! Is it so damned important to wait for paperwork, clearance and redtape. Not everything is so black and white.
wcemichael 1 year ago
Wow my 2 boy's B-Day's are on 10-10 & 11-14 both Important EF dates..
tashaLuv1 1 year ago
Continued from post below to "locodriver107": (4) No Company should Ever be allowed to Plunder Ore from the Fitzgerald to make More Money, they were insured and got PAID long ago for the loss of the Ship & Cargo!! (5) The ONLY ones who lost here were the Men Killed & their Families! (6) Locodriver107, would you like your Mothers or Fathers Grave dug up for some Companies Profit? Its Stupid Shallow Fuckers like you who say shit without thinking! Go Suck Off More Corporate Executive Cock!
48alfaone 1 year ago
@48alfaone
Power to the man, 48alfaone!
locodriver107's comments were obviously made in ignorance as the amount of taconite recovered wouldn't make a lick of difference in terms of steel production. It sure gave those asshole "friends" of the recovery team a conversation piece, though.
locodriver kinda strikes me as a clued out ecoterrorist, though, so I'm almost to the point of excusing his ignorance.
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 Thank you for the support! As it turns out locodriver107 is just an ignorant Kid. But, where are the Parents, Family, Schools these days? My kids are only 12 & 14, but they both "clearly" know right from wrong, respect, the value of a dollar but more important the value of a Human Life! I'm not boasting, but i teach them that this "selfish extreme right wing corporate me generation thing is wrong"! And that working people are as important as any rich guy or girl. Thanks!
48alfaone 1 year ago
again ship your iron ore by rail!
locodriver107 1 year ago
ive got to say though the removal of tactonite from the hull isnt really wrong the company lost a lot of money and they have a right to retreive their ore also iron ore is invaluable these days especialy with a lack of recycling on steel.
locodriver107 1 year ago
@locodriver107 "SHAME ON YOU"! What a thing to say here, You Said: "the company lost a lot of money", So WHAT? (1) 29 WORKING MEN LOST THEIR LIVES on the Fitzgerald Sinking, and 29 Families SUFFER To This Day! (2) The wreck is a "LEGAL GRAVE SITE", No Bodies were ever recovered, this is not some simple car wreck in a ditch! (3) Its been Proved that this Shipping Company you care so much about put off Major Maintenance to save money, this aided the SINKING & KILLED MEN! "Continued Next Post":
48alfaone 1 year ago
@locodriver107
The taconite wasn't retrieved for the company, the recovery team even jokes about taking it for "friends" of the historical society for "souvenirs".
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@locodriver107 a. its a grave site b. steel is one of the most recycled things in the world
3025productions 9 months ago
So they put the beer there in 1995? How the hell did they find a pop-top beer can in 1995?
whoandtheha 1 year ago
@whoandtheha According to mit.edu, pop tops were invented in 1959 and in general use by 1965. That was a good question.
bnodurft 1 year ago
Taking things off the boat is WRONG..however yes I agree this is technicly wrong they were trying to do something for a family member NOT just as a stunt...as for what they have done with the Taconite and the bell they should be strung up from the nearestyard arm
usselliot76 1 year ago
i think people should just leave these gravesites alone-dont take anything but video, and leave no trace that they were ther
crystal4710 1 year ago
Its the same thing as takeing flowers to one grave
MrChrisjeffries 2 years ago 2
The girl who wanted to place a beer can at her fathers gravesite should not be infringed by canadian officials. The canadians are all about individual rights as long as the state decides what they are. canadian brain cells are frost bitten and don't work right anyhow.
oldblueboat 2 years ago
WTF are you talking about? The man you saw there, the one who promised the girl he would place the brew on her father's grave is a CANADIAN navy officer!!! And some AMERICAN bleeding heart watchdog is criticizing him for doing so! You're the one who's brain damaged! Probably from inhaling too much gun-smoke...
MrKabDrivr 2 years ago
@MrKabDrivr
Nice stereotype.
AshburnFilmWorks 1 year ago
if my ship went down a beer can on the deck would be pretty cool, a ncie gesture
jeri1989 2 years ago 3
Also, someone please be kind enough to explain why comments that simply agree with my point are being marked as Spam.
intooblv 2 years ago
Anyone caught plundering or tampering with Indian burial grounds and Egyptian tombs in this day-and-age would have hell to pay.
bnodurft 2 years ago
Why don't these people raise hell about the plundering of Indian burial grounds or the removal of Mummies from their tombs in Egypt? That is far worse than a beer can on a wreck.
Baldgol4 2 years ago
@Baldgol4 There is a difference, people at those sites were buried, people at these sites are just remains at a disaster site.
chaostheoryfilms 2 years ago
The placement of the beer can in the pilot house and the taconite mining operation of the wreck site are violations of the terms archaeological license that specified nothing could penetrate or be placed in the wreck nor could anything be disturbed. You can view the license on the You Tube video, "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald: Historical Documents.
bnodurft 2 years ago
So, which is the problem? First you were arguing against this because apparently some arbitrary "permission" was needed from the rest of the family members, because somehow you felt that the majority of them were allowed to tell the others how they were "allowed" to grieve. If it's merely a legal issue, then how the family members feel is absolutely irrelevant.
intooblv 2 years ago 2
@bnodurft you sound educated-WITH NO COMMON SENSE! Shipwrecks are gravesites: havn't you gone to a grave and seen something a personal value on it? like a teddy bear or flowers?? You remind me of the leaders of Nazi Germany- ALL Ph. D's to a man- WITHOUT A LICK OF COMMON SENSE!!!!
Peter43John 11 months ago
I agree, one can of beer as a mememto from a dead crewmans daughter seems harmless. Maybe if they could have squeezed and ruptured the can, leaving JUST the beer would have been better, if possible. Then the daughter could have the can as a memento. As far as the taconite, come ON there are thousands of tons of it! They could sell it as souvineers and give proceeds to the survivors or a historical trust.
DGillyy 2 years ago 2
After watching several of the videos. One can only conclude that these men are no professionals. From moving skulls around, leaving beer cans and taking pellets for souvenirs - this is not acceptable- period!
pitch3831 2 years ago 3
Why do all the family members need to be in agreement on what's appropriate and what's not? The gesture was for one man from his daughter. You argue that she can't do that because it offends everyone else - telling her how she's "allowed" to honor her father is equally insulting. I'm sure not everyone approves of leaving mementos at the Vietnam Memorial in DC (or any memorial/cemetery), but at least we allow everyone enough respect to mourn in his or her own way.
intooblv 2 years ago 8
AMEN!
shakedydogshake 2 years ago
RIGHT ON MAN
MrM249saw 2 years ago 2
Not all family members agree whether the beer can should have been placed in the Fitz pilot house. See the comments posted by a family member when this video was first posted.
bnodurft 2 years ago
@bnodurft...Wait, I'm confused. At the beginning, you stated that they made the comment about the beer can in the beginning of the video in 1994, yet you posted on the comment section that the beer was placed in 1995. AND being that the guy in the video said it was a pop-top,( I haven't seen a pop-top in twenty+ years), make this all very confusing.
whoandtheha 1 year ago
@whoandtheha The beer can was placed in the Fitz pilot house in 1995. This was also reported in the National Geographic, January 1996, Vol. 189, No. 1.
bnodurft 1 year ago
What the general public does not understand is that it was a tradition to throw cans of beer over the side when you cross over the wreck of the Fitz especially if you are crossing over on the anniversary of the sinking. I am a United States Merchant Marine and I have worked the Lake Freighters.
Dockwobbler
US Merchant Marine
Anchorville, MI
dockwobbler 2 years ago 2
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dockwobbler 2 years ago
That was a tacky thing to do. How would you like to go to a relatives grave and find a beer can there?
lexlaw007 2 years ago
Sheesh they where trying to honor then men that died on that ship ....... Who cares , it was a beer bottle ........
Aamria 2 years ago
very sad my dad died on this ship i hate the lake i love my dad very much and miss him wish he was stil alive never know how bad is was to miss a loved i was only 2 years old
shawna174 3 years ago
That means you were born in 73? your page states that you are 23? that dont add up.
vermilionrverman 3 years ago
Vermillonrverman is right... why would you even lie about something like that?
aburridopersona88 3 years ago
You're a piece of shit did you know that?
Mowac 2 years ago
You're a pathological liar.
Mowac 2 years ago
You really should hang your head in shame. Your lies desecrate the memory of the men who died aboard the Edmund Fitzgerald. Try cleansing your soul by imagining how the real daughters of these men felt then, and feel now about their loss. Try also to imagine how the men themselves felt at the end, knowing they were about to die. You should ask God to forgive you for what you have done.
inya1lake 2 years ago
This is for shawna174
inya1lake 2 years ago
You've seen the error of Shawna174's ways. The lying little bitch.
Mowac 2 years ago
What did your dad do on the ship?
truthspeaker1000 2 years ago
Well now, what do we have here? You, shawna, must be the subject of this video - get it? You are the trash on the Fitzgerald site.
truthspeaker1000 2 years ago
Look Truthspeaker, Shawna174 is a special little girl. She lost her daddy on the Edmund Fitzgerald (He has'nt been told yet, so don't be judgemental), so please be kind. There are people here who have been really nasty to this little girl, including her daddy who refuses to die despite being drowned all those years ago.
Give this little girl a chance - not everyone finds their daddy at the breakfast table ten years after he was drowned in the Superior.
inya1lake 2 years ago 2
desecration of a gravesite and a wrecksite...rules specifically disallowed tampering with the wreck.
chessbuff 3 years ago
It was done as a gesture of respect at the request of a deceased crew members daughter.
Still it is a violation of regulations and their should be consequences.
OHT53 3 years ago 3
Pathetic.
Maybe next they'll sprinkle some asprine too in some lame attempt to be funny. Let's remember them by throwing a beer can in the control room? Oh please.
KhanIndustries 3 years ago
No. The Fitz sank in 1975. They put the beer can in the pilot house in 1995 in violation of the archaeological license that permitted the dive to Edmund Fitgerald.
bnodurft 3 years ago
canada should not have a word to say to that ship it is not thiers it IS A PRIDE OF THE AMERICAN SIDE
dieselman1988 3 years ago 3
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then sink your useless piece of shit in your own waters.
jiminifer 3 years ago
hey we didn't plan on it fucking sinking where it did
dieselman1988 3 years ago 3
Hey, they're ALL US waters. Canada only exists due to the good grace of the USA.
Caveman6666x 3 years ago
yeah i just learned that awhile ago. wheni typd that comment i did not mean it to sound so angry but everything does on here
dieselman1988 3 years ago
Actually... We tried to invade Canada near Quebec twice in the late 1700's, and we lost both times...
MazamaEntertainment 3 years ago
It sank on the Canadian side.
Flagman00 3 years ago
First off... The International Commerce treaties Show the layout of the Great Lakes... The Edmund Fitzgerald In FACT sank ON CANADA's Side... Therefore all expitditions Must be overseen by Canadian Officials... The Ship may be owned by the U.S. But is laying On canadian Territory...
RRHSAltman 2 years ago
The Ontario Ministry of Culture designated the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald a heritage site of historical significance. The site cannot be altered without an archaeological license. Many of the family members ask that the site be left alone.
bnodurft 3 years ago
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what a hoser eh!
boats752 3 years ago
This is ridiculous. This navy commander cannot make the rules up as he goes along, he prolly had no advice on this talk: seriously incompetent; a liability to Canada.
dergrossen 3 years ago
I believe the song describes the Edmund Fitzgerald as "Pride of the Amercan side". I am completely shocked and very disapointed. This Kind of stuff should NOT be going on. Kinda makes me wonder what else is taking place at my grandfathers' resting place.Thank you so much for posting this video. Allen Johnson Grandson of Robert C. Rafferty
steward of the Edmund Fitzgerald
3fitzgrld 4 years ago 10
@3fitzgrld All this controversy over a beer can on a grave sight lol. Even if the "intentions" where not pure of heart? It's just a can right? I mean, I worked in a cemetery and you'd be suprised all the little tokens of affection "or not" people leave there on or around the head stones.
RFKFANTS67 2 months ago
@RFKFANTS67 Well, this is probably the reason for the memorial service held at Whitefish point each year. I do completely understand someone wanting to leave something with a lost loved one. But it is not legal and is supposed to be protected. DO NOT DISTURB.
3fitzgrld 2 months ago
@3fitzgrld I understand, but I'd like to know why just the "Big Fitz" gets a restricted area more less, what about other wrecks? Like the Daniel J Morrell lost November 1966 on Lake Huron, with all hands lost but one "Dennis Hale" However I don't know if any of it's crew went to the bottom with her? Does anyone know?
RFKFANTS67 2 months ago
I agree Jon
jerry16h 4 years ago
Come on guys, first the Canadian navy has a policy on ship that crew may have two beers after they are off duty as long as it is 8hrs before a shift.Second this was done as a gesture by the crewmans daughter to remember her father, and i think its fitting.I mean its ok to leave a flower, pack of smokes and other items at grave sights, but not a beer on her fathers place of rest? Dereliction of duty, and charge, i would hate to see what you would do if it were serious.
cavdragoon 4 years ago 8
The You Tube video "Operation Taconite on the Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" illustrates that the Great Lakes Shipwreck Historical Society and associate's apparent attitude was that it could ignore the terms of the archaeological license and do whatever they wanted at the wreck. This follows their established pattern illustrated in the You Tube video, "Grave Robbers of the Great Lakes". See the above comments. Many family members found placing a beer can on the wreck very offensive.
bnodurft 4 years ago
As you have said family members are offended, but the one family member who asked for the can to be placed was not. That said i do not agree with the looting of any wreak. I think in a way this girl was just giving back something to her dad with fond memories, nothing more.
regards
cavdragoon 4 years ago 17
@cavdragoon If she got to give something to her dad, then the other familys should have got to put something down there too! Its not fair what the lady did.
Mortskcab 1 year ago
@Mortskcab Really? Thats like saying if 10 soldiers died in combat and one family was choosen to go to the site where they were killed that the family choosen should not place "something" on that site because the other familys could not? Come on. If my friend or family member died and i had the chance to place something in that spot that that individual liked or reminded me of them i would do so. Its the thought people. Like placing something on a tombstone no one buried around them complains.
cavdragoon 1 year ago
@cavdragoon What they should have said to her was "okay We'll put the can down there as long as the other families get to put something down there too, becuase fair is fair."
Mortskcab 1 year ago
@Mortskcab Fair is fair yes but it was a spur of the moment thing with good intentions.I think thoses intentions gave atleast one grieving family alittle closer.
cavdragoon 1 year ago
Yeah, kinda stupid...
More importantly, did the LCDR. read the permit? A military man is all about rules and discipline. Too many people in power these days seem to forget the importance of reading the fine print... It is surprising to see how the historical society is willing to support this...
kirkifer 4 years ago
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And what the Canadian Navy is doing with beer on board a military vessel I will never know! He brought great dishonor upon himself, his country, the canadian navy and the memory of the Crew of the Edmund Fitzgerald.
xcaliber69 4 years ago
The LT commander is a joke to the Canadian Navy and should be ashamed of himself. Placing the Canadian Navy's garbage inside the Fitzgerald was tacky and disgraceful! He needs to be brought up on charges of dereliction of duty, conduct unbecoming a naval officer, and LITTERING!
What a stupid Idea!
Jon Soyring
nephew of Oliver J. "Buck" Champeau
3rd Engineer of the Edmund Fitzgerald
xcaliber69 4 years ago