Again, I have been in tibet and common tibetan dont against Chinese government, but some of they do think that Dalai Lama should go back to tibet, as a Lama, a living Buddha, not as a slave lord.
I feel that the current situation is like Dalai has taken the Tibetans hostage. I don't think the Chinese government will give a crap if Dalai returns as a pure spiritual leader. It is the political goals that stopped Dalai from going back. But politics and religion should never mix.
PALADINHAMMER, i can't do anything to prevent u denying the fact that tibet was a slavery society before 1951, Michael Parenti and lots of other western academics know that truth. That's all the reason i am posting this video for.
And the last thing, Buddhism does not only exist in tibet. There are billions of people who believe Buddhism but not Tibetan Buddhism, and most of them are Chinese, so when you as a white guy who has no Buddhism traditions talk about Buddhism, Chinese ppl will laugh. You know nothing about Buddha, and you know nothing about China.
Yeah, there are possibly billions of Buddhist, the chinese government has never released a statistic regarding the number of believers in China (save for a few hundred thousand monks and nuns that is). no enough from Buddhist websites, you know, like the ones I cited in that video I've made?
I remove your comment because your are useless and only make Chinese ppl think all American are ignorance and aggressive as you. I don't want to give them those kind of expression. And youtube gives me the right to do whatever I want with my video, tell them to stop me or just stop comment on my videos.
Again, all the stuff I got from wikipedia is in the Tibet history entry, u didn't read it and u r lying about that I faked those things.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh man, your excuses are funny. I'm asking questions, good sensible questions, ones that you don't want people to hear, so you delete them. I'm asking now, anyone who wants to, go to wikipedia and try and find the words "slavery" or "torture". You won't find them. They don't exist. I am reading it, and anyone who wants can, and they'll see you are a lier gchide.
I've been in tibet 3 years ago, I have tibetan friend whose gradpa was a serf before 1951. I also knows a Japanese-tibetan girl whose family was serf lord and ran away with Dalai Lama in 1959 after the uprising failed.
Really? So then, all these hundreds of thousands of Tibetans in exile are the spawn of a small class? And what about those guys protesting in Lhasa? The videos even from the PRC news show thousands of plain-clothes Tibetans protesting in favor of the Lama's return. Also, that "Tibetan History" article, it says "[citation needed]" next to the only sentence claiming there was "slavery" and "serfdom". It also say something rather remarkable.
U make me laugh. 5% of 1.2 million = 60000, and that was in 1951, have u been at Dharamsala (where the tibetan exile is)? As of the 2001 India census, Dharamsala had a population of 19,034. that's from the wikipedia entry of Dharamsala.
The "Tibetan History" article states that the PRC first invaded and took over Tibet in 1950. The Lama however, fled in 1959! In 1950, the Lama signed the "Seven Point Agreement", which gave Tibet to China. Lookup the article on the Dalai Lama (current one), he attended the "First People's Conference" in 1954. Also, your Tibetan History article states that "The traditional Tibetan aristocracy and government remained in place and were subsidized by the Chinese government." Meaning they remained.
Then what's ur point? Didn't i said Dalai Lama run away in 1959? The Chinese government at that time keeps the power of Dalai and his government because PRC government respected tibet tradition. The uprising was driven by the CIA and also some tibetan serf lords and nobilities in other Chinese provinces like QingHai and GanSu.
Google "lang ping torch relay", would you? The first hit is from usavolleyball dot org. It has photos of Lang Ping holding the torch running on SF street as well as a news story.
Only the monks are demanding his return. Let's see who are those monks: 20 something men who don't work, get free food, free housing, free medical care, and worship some dude all day long. Get the idea?
Most Tibetans worship Dalai Lama, but only in a spiritual way. The monks are the only one trying very hard to mix politics with religion, which we all know is almost certainly a bad thing. The monks may have been suppressed. But they are far from representing the general Tibetan population.
Like I said, if only the monks want him back, then WHY are the Tibetan people, IN TIBET, protesting? Why are thousands of Tibetans, not monks, but regular Tibetans (refugee's mostly), protesting the Chinese Government. I already said this, but I'm guessing gchide censored it again. You can't have people asking questions apparently.
I admit that I don't really know why there are regular Tibetans protesting. Politics are complicated though. Everyone agrees there are lots of problems with how Chinese government handled things. Combine this with Dalai's huge influence, it is not very hard to talk those poor and uneducated people into non-constructive things.
Tibet independence is impossible without bloody war, which is bad for both side. In my opinion economic development along side with the rest of China is the key.
They are protesting for the same reasons they revolted against in 1959.Youknowthatthe Lama didn't leave when China took over in 1950right? He remained until 1959 when the revolt broke out and china blamed him for it. These "uneducated people"have been under Chinese rule for over half a century now, your telling me that the Chinese government hasn't convinced them they were oppressed? What about the common Tibetans who've been leaving Tibet for the past century? They've been siding with the Lama.
Well I guess we all need to chill out a bit. Let's wait for the day when "democracy" finally brings Iraq people freedom of speech, press, religion, and everything that a first-world nation, like United States, has.
Freedom of speech? The head coach of US women's volleyball team are forbidden from taking press interviews under the threat of her job security. Guess why? She is a Chinese.
"...In these areas, land reform was implemented. This involved communist agitators designating "landlords" — sometimes arbitrarily chosen — for public humiliation in "struggle sessions." In conjunction with land reform, the Chinese government also abolished slavery and the Tibetan serfdom."
First off, I just copied that quote of yours, and searched it on wikipedia's page about Tibet, it said: "Text Not Found". Meaning what your saying, doesn't exist on Wikipedia. Second off, its Wikipedia! So your words don't exist on it, so I don't know where you got it.
U r far beyond ignorance, u know what? I don't want to argue with someone over Tibet if he cannot even read through the single entry of tibet on Wikipedia. That's it, enjoy ur stupid ideas, i don't wanna waste time on u anymore.
This is precisely why Tibetan-in-exile, aka ex-royal-families, are so crazy about Tibet independence. They did lost their land, their power, their slaves, their women. But shall we really help them getting those privileges back?
Again, I have been in tibet and common tibetan dont against Chinese government, but some of they do think that Dalai Lama should go back to tibet, as a Lama, a living Buddha, not as a slave lord.
gchide 3 years ago
I feel that the current situation is like Dalai has taken the Tibetans hostage. I don't think the Chinese government will give a crap if Dalai returns as a pure spiritual leader. It is the political goals that stopped Dalai from going back. But politics and religion should never mix.
wshtb 3 years ago
PALADINHAMMER, i can't do anything to prevent u denying the fact that tibet was a slavery society before 1951, Michael Parenti and lots of other western academics know that truth. That's all the reason i am posting this video for.
gchide 3 years ago
And the last thing, Buddhism does not only exist in tibet. There are billions of people who believe Buddhism but not Tibetan Buddhism, and most of them are Chinese, so when you as a white guy who has no Buddhism traditions talk about Buddhism, Chinese ppl will laugh. You know nothing about Buddha, and you know nothing about China.
gchide 3 years ago
Yeah, there are possibly billions of Buddhist, the chinese government has never released a statistic regarding the number of believers in China (save for a few hundred thousand monks and nuns that is). no enough from Buddhist websites, you know, like the ones I cited in that video I've made?
PALADINHAMMMER 3 years ago
No, I didn't watch ur video, and I AM BUDDHIST(not tibetan buddhist), so I don't need you, a western, to tell me WHAT IS BUDDHISM.
gchide 3 years ago
I've learned enough from Buddhist websites to know what Buddhism is and is not.
PALADINHAMMMER 3 years ago
No u don't need to learn Budda, u need to understand Budda. Religion is not something u can learn.
gchide 3 years ago
You can Learn about it.
PALADINHAMMMER 3 years ago
Learn history first.
gchide 3 years ago
I remove your comment because your are useless and only make Chinese ppl think all American are ignorance and aggressive as you. I don't want to give them those kind of expression. And youtube gives me the right to do whatever I want with my video, tell them to stop me or just stop comment on my videos.
Again, all the stuff I got from wikipedia is in the Tibet history entry, u didn't read it and u r lying about that I faked those things.
gchide 3 years ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh man, your excuses are funny. I'm asking questions, good sensible questions, ones that you don't want people to hear, so you delete them. I'm asking now, anyone who wants to, go to wikipedia and try and find the words "slavery" or "torture". You won't find them. They don't exist. I am reading it, and anyone who wants can, and they'll see you are a lier gchide.
PALADINHAMMMER 3 years ago
Call me a liar, it wont change the history.
I've been in tibet 3 years ago, I have tibetan friend whose gradpa was a serf before 1951. I also knows a Japanese-tibetan girl whose family was serf lord and ran away with Dalai Lama in 1959 after the uprising failed.
These facts are in the history books.
The wikipedia entry is tibet history.
gchide 3 years ago
Really? So then, all these hundreds of thousands of Tibetans in exile are the spawn of a small class? And what about those guys protesting in Lhasa? The videos even from the PRC news show thousands of plain-clothes Tibetans protesting in favor of the Lama's return. Also, that "Tibetan History" article, it says "[citation needed]" next to the only sentence claiming there was "slavery" and "serfdom". It also say something rather remarkable.
PALADINHAMMMER 3 years ago
U make me laugh. 5% of 1.2 million = 60000, and that was in 1951, have u been at Dharamsala (where the tibetan exile is)? As of the 2001 India census, Dharamsala had a population of 19,034. that's from the wikipedia entry of Dharamsala.
gchide 3 years ago
The "Tibetan History" article states that the PRC first invaded and took over Tibet in 1950. The Lama however, fled in 1959! In 1950, the Lama signed the "Seven Point Agreement", which gave Tibet to China. Lookup the article on the Dalai Lama (current one), he attended the "First People's Conference" in 1954. Also, your Tibetan History article states that "The traditional Tibetan aristocracy and government remained in place and were subsidized by the Chinese government." Meaning they remained.
PALADINHAMMMER 3 years ago
Then what's ur point? Didn't i said Dalai Lama run away in 1959? The Chinese government at that time keeps the power of Dalai and his government because PRC government respected tibet tradition. The uprising was driven by the CIA and also some tibetan serf lords and nobilities in other Chinese provinces like QingHai and GanSu.
gchide 3 years ago
Read the wikipedia entry, Tibetan resistance movement
gchide 3 years ago
Google "lang ping torch relay", would you? The first hit is from usavolleyball dot org. It has photos of Lang Ping holding the torch running on SF street as well as a news story.
wshtb 3 years ago
I am really sad about her. She should quit that job.
gchide 3 years ago
Donations from CIA. CIA must have been a charity.....
wshtb 3 years ago
Tell me, do those documents say "To: The Dalai Lama", or were they to regular Tibetans? Not all Tibetans are as patient as the Lama.
PALADINHAMMMER 3 years ago
google the term "CIA IN TIBET" and read.
gchide 3 years ago
Google the Terms "Chinese Torture Monks" and read.
PALADINHAMMMER 3 years ago
Only the monks are demanding his return. Let's see who are those monks: 20 something men who don't work, get free food, free housing, free medical care, and worship some dude all day long. Get the idea?
Most Tibetans worship Dalai Lama, but only in a spiritual way. The monks are the only one trying very hard to mix politics with religion, which we all know is almost certainly a bad thing. The monks may have been suppressed. But they are far from representing the general Tibetan population.
wshtb 3 years ago
Like I said, if only the monks want him back, then WHY are the Tibetan people, IN TIBET, protesting? Why are thousands of Tibetans, not monks, but regular Tibetans (refugee's mostly), protesting the Chinese Government. I already said this, but I'm guessing gchide censored it again. You can't have people asking questions apparently.
PALADINHAMMMER 3 years ago
I admit that I don't really know why there are regular Tibetans protesting. Politics are complicated though. Everyone agrees there are lots of problems with how Chinese government handled things. Combine this with Dalai's huge influence, it is not very hard to talk those poor and uneducated people into non-constructive things.
Tibet independence is impossible without bloody war, which is bad for both side. In my opinion economic development along side with the rest of China is the key.
wshtb 3 years ago
They are protesting for the same reasons they revolted against in 1959.Youknowthatthe Lama didn't leave when China took over in 1950right? He remained until 1959 when the revolt broke out and china blamed him for it. These "uneducated people"have been under Chinese rule for over half a century now, your telling me that the Chinese government hasn't convinced them they were oppressed? What about the common Tibetans who've been leaving Tibet for the past century? They've been siding with the Lama.
PALADINHAMMMER 3 years ago
She ran part of the San Fransisco torch relay. SF is not in China, is it?
wshtb 3 years ago
Well I guess we all need to chill out a bit. Let's wait for the day when "democracy" finally brings Iraq people freedom of speech, press, religion, and everything that a first-world nation, like United States, has.
Freedom of speech? The head coach of US women's volleyball team are forbidden from taking press interviews under the threat of her job security. Guess why? She is a Chinese.
Look into the mirror and think!
wshtb 3 years ago
I don't think wikipedia is controlled by Chinese government!
gchide 3 years ago
give out ur reasons, state some facts, don't just pull out stuff from ur fat ass!!
gchide 3 years ago
Take a look at wikipedia:
"...In these areas, land reform was implemented. This involved communist agitators designating "landlords" — sometimes arbitrarily chosen — for public humiliation in "struggle sessions." In conjunction with land reform, the Chinese government also abolished slavery and the Tibetan serfdom."
gchide 3 years ago
First off, I just copied that quote of yours, and searched it on wikipedia's page about Tibet, it said: "Text Not Found". Meaning what your saying, doesn't exist on Wikipedia. Second off, its Wikipedia! So your words don't exist on it, so I don't know where you got it.
PALADINHAMMMER 3 years ago
U r far beyond ignorance, u know what? I don't want to argue with someone over Tibet if he cannot even read through the single entry of tibet on Wikipedia. That's it, enjoy ur stupid ideas, i don't wanna waste time on u anymore.
gchide 3 years ago
This is precisely why Tibetan-in-exile, aka ex-royal-families, are so crazy about Tibet independence. They did lost their land, their power, their slaves, their women. But shall we really help them getting those privileges back?
wshtb 3 years ago
"The Shadow of the Dalai Lama"
-by Victor und Victoria Trimondi
Google it and read.
watch4wy 3 years ago