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  • 81sci

    How does logic or science prove religion wrong ?

    How does logic or science prove putting a mans penis in another mans anus is right ?

  • @defender4uk I am not going to say logic/science always prove religion wrong, but I will say it is far simpler to manipulate religion to get what you want through the sheep masses. Sadly, because of this, we often hold ourselves back in our technological advancement as a result. As for proving anal sex to be "right", I think you and I both know that is a preposterous question, my friend.

  • Christians hate logic they just use the bible, science prove religion wrong.

  • @81sci I don't think all of them do this intentionally. Many know nothing else but religion, as it has been saturated in every aspect of their lives since birth. Others hold their faith so tight, they simply will not allow themselves to see the world as anything else. I have learned through much facepalming that attempts to reach them in any other way is about as effective as smashing one's face into the concrete.

  • @choirgrrl

    I see religion like any other addiction;

    they all want you to join them (come on, one drink won't hurt you). and

    the won't quit till they're ready.

  • @vibrant151 For many, it is an addiction. Those are ones that scare me. The people who just believe whatever they choose to are fine, I really only take issue when it is shoved down my throat.

  • /watch?v=3m5c14gqZL0

    That slideshow/video answers question 1. I feel that homosexuality is wrong because I know it is, for the reasoning given.

    There is a good reason you put "directly" in your second question. I am not directly affected by homosexuality now, but neither am I directly affected by bestiality with or without a form of consent. Homosexuals have the same rights I do. They have the same right I do to marry someone of a different gender, if they wish to.

    I have one more point to make

  • @AthosAmo To rule out arguments that have been made before, is to rule out a valid argument. After all, I am not the first to realize that homosexuality is against anatomy. So if the argument is valid, accept it. If not, reject it, whether or not it has been used in the past, which all have. Nothing is new under the sun. Generally speaking. Whoops. An allusion to Solomon. You're not gonna count that against me, are you?

  • 1. Your genic code is my first problem with being gay. You carry your birth fathers dna, and your mom's. I must also mention the obvious with male on male homosexuality. If a man mounts another man anally, isn't it obvious that this is wrong. The very function of the digestive system is amazing, useing chewing, acid disolvment, and bacterial absorbment to live? How is this accepted as a reproductive love spot? The intermingleing of the digestive system with the reproductive suggests the obvious.

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  • There are two aspects of looking at homosexuality biological and psychological. Psychologically thinking yes you are correct in saying that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality but biologically thinking you are fucked up. I have no problems with bisexuals but when you say being strict homosexual is normal than I say you are so wrong and you go against nature and the process of evolution as a whole. At that point you cease to be a human but are only some kind of sex craving creature = rapist

  • mutual rapist.

  • In biology, sex is a process of combining and mixing genetic traits, often resulting in the specialization of organisms into a male or female variety (each known as a sex). If homosexuality does not fulfill this basic condition how can homosexuality be considered as a sexual relationship It should be categorized as a technique of mutual masturbation, and not sex.

  • when gays start having kids with homosexual sex will be the day I will say being a homo is okay. Till the time they need a person of the opposite sex to create their copies or third party assistance the are just not normal.

  • @G41MCombo

    Gay couples are in love. Do you only have sex to procreate, or do you actually enjoy it?

  • @TaylorMousse The reason nature intended sex to be pleasurable is to induce procreation. The main aim or any organism is survival and to reproduce and spread their gene pool. This process in turn causes evolution of species and the reason for me and you to exist in this planet is heterosexual sex. People love anything dogs, horses, ice cream, chocolates and that gives you pleasure and joy but do you seriously think they or homosexuality fulfills the true intent of the sexual act?

  • I would say its just mutual masturbation but how in the sanest universe can it be considered equivalent to penoviginal sex.

  • @G41MCombo

    Sex isn't all about procreation. And seeing how many of us there are, 10% of the population being gay doesn't really make much of a difference.

  • @TaylorMousse You agree with me that being homosexual is abnormal and I will have no problem with the 10% of population that is pushing it to be normal. Sex isn't all about procreation but I can counter your statement by stating that it is not only for enjoyment.

  • @G41MCombo

    So we're in agreement, I see. We're arguing the same point.

  • sorry for my bad english though.

  • @X3BOOODYX2012 Your English is just fine. :) My reasoning behind question #3 is just to get people thinking. If we want to shut off certain rights to the gay community (getting married and whatnot) how many right should we take away? It's not so much an actual question, but more one to open eyes and help others realize we are all human and therefore should be allowed equal rights int eh eyes of the law. Thanks for the response.

  • @choirgrrl

    gay rights? who would ask if someone was gay or not? no need for those rights, you're a human :) you said it yourself.

    I do respect their preferences, but respect=!like.

  • @choirgrrl Let's say your gay here, THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE, if I prevent you from marrying the love of your life, you should be able to do the same to me, however, I would NEVER do that, if I see another person being harassed because of their sexual orientation, I would immediately take the one who's harassing to court, and if it rules against my favor, I would make sure the harasser suffers.

  • @choirgrrl Would you approve a pedophile being a teacher in kindergarten? I bet you don't. Why? You are giving him tools to damage people. There are many rights given to people for their good and not for their damage. Like driving license, it's not only a right; it's a privilege. Adopting children, spouse benefits and others are privileges to relations that ADD to the whole society, not for anybody's personal wellbeing or benefits.

  • @choirgrrl The rights you speak of have not been taken away. In the USA, everyone have equal rights,(except unborn children, a topic unto itself), and anyone can get married. Now,the real question is should a particular group of people force on society the affirmation of their lifestyle by means of diminishing equal rights with social justice.And,what group will be next to demand special rights, polygamists? I could go on.Where will it take us as a society? When will You say,'OK, that's enough'?

  • ok, you said you want evidence and proof for a personal preference ?

    ok

    1-because it's an underestimation for the ability to reproduce(sex).

    2-followed by number one, that doesn't directly affect me, but it doe to something else, it affects the human race indirectly by decreasing the fertility rate massively.

    3-sorry that doesn't make any sense.

    any way, I have a question two, if there was truely feminine males, well, how about the ones who are ####ing them? are they attracted to gays or girls?

  • @X3BOOODYX2012

    1. Do YOU just have sex to procreate? If so, then why are you hitting all the girls/guys on your block and having children?

    2. Not really. Only about 1 in every 10 people is gay.

    Your Q: They're attracted to guys. The person ####ing then (as u said) is attracted to males, not females.

  • @TaylorMousse

    1-well, imagine if we're all gay. how is it possible for the next generation to even exist?

    2-1to10? 10% this is alot, I thought it was 1%.

    well, even if so they are attracted to males, how could other males can be attracted to gays? and why? aren't they attracted to those feminists? that means they are attracted originally to females, not males.

  • @X3BOOODYX2012

    1. Consider the fact that it would be pretty much impossible for us all to be gay. The possiblity is so low, it's pointless to worry about.

    2. 10%- 5% Male, 5% Female

    I don't even get what you're trying to say here.

  • @X3BOOODYX2012 Not all gay guys are feminine... that's just a bad stereotype. In fact a lot of gay guys I know are put off by the feminine type, and instead like masculine gay guys. But generally it just comes down to personal preference. For example there are girls that like sensitive men and there are girls that like more "manly" men, it's the same with gay people.

  • When you ask, what's wrong without considering GOD? you assume people is a good source of righteousness. Haven't you seen man abusing man throughout history: Slavery, Hitler, Invasions, etc.? They acted from their own judgements, feelings and ideas. WE ARE NOT BETTER THAN THEM. God tells me I'm not better. He guards me from sex with mom, dad, sister, daughter, my own sex (homosexual), animals, etc. JESUS wants your good, do not hide from THE ONE who loves you and sets you free from your error.

  • You can't easy convince a cheating man he is doing damage to his wife, children, family in law even to school system. He may be meaner saying he is just "loving many; and "WHO HAS AUTHORITY to tell him he is wrong?" Nobody!!, He could steal, lie, kill and who can tell he's wrong! Nobody. Would that prove he's fine? NO!. Who can tell you it's wrong? No men but GOD who loves and created you. Many will tell that's fine just to keep their power, not because you are important or they know what to do.

  • #3 cont.- to develop a sane mind and to avoid social behavioral problems, or how the Oedipal complex and the electra complex will be solve in the developing mind of the child? And just to clarify something: What rights are you talking about? rights taking away from homosexuals? I didn't know there were some different rights from other civilians or from other humans given to the homosexuals? do we have different rights? what rights? no, really, explain please.

  • @mangr12 #3 cont.- They bring up children just fine without having both of these roles filled. She is probably talking about the rights that any heterosexual couple would be allowed, e.g. Marriage, adoption, etc. But there are also other basic rights they are denied, for example in some places people can be fired for being gay, and beating/killing a gay person is not considered a hate crime.

  • @MDoodlee I don't know of the existence of any person growing up "just fine" from being adopted by a homosexual couple. if there is any, good for those kids... Marriage, yes, they should have a legal vehicle similar to the marriage contract, but is not so easy, see, homosexual partnership is just as complicated as heterosexual partnership, but, is still "new" per say. Like "woman made a call, domestic violence. Cops came and right away escorted the man out of the house" why? because man is

  • @MDoodlee #3 contd.- because man is stronger, is agressive, is more likely to kill a woman, etcetera things that sociologist had study for centuries. Now let's say "man made a call, domestic violence, his partner is another man" or "woman to woman domestic violence" and on and on. what basic rights are denied? oh and how come that beating/killing a gay person is not a crime? where? and getting fired for being gay? now those towns, if they do that, are so wrong and very evil.

  • #3.- Homosexual couple (not GAY only) shouldn't be considered for adopting "parents" untill there is an extensive study of how the mind of a child will be affected. is a serious matter! we are talking about a growing human with no criteria a brain that is still on molding. It's so egoistic to use the premise of "a child needs a home, blah blah" to make it look good and satisfy the egolatrian need of the homosexual fantasy. Isn't well known that a child needs mother and father figures?

  • @mangr12 #3.- Why would anyone need to do a study to see if two loving parents will damage a child by looking after them? It's just stupid. Or if you're talking about the whole "the child is more likely to be gay" thing, then there is proof that ratio of gay and straight children is near enough the same as if they had heterosexual parents. And no, it isn't a well known fact that a child NEEDS a mother and father figure, what about all the single parents without partners?

  • @MDoodlee I thought it was well known that the absent of one of those figures, just like the corruption of one those figures, will result a child with social problems. Please, I'm not talking about "child more likely to be gay" And I do believe there is a study of the potential adopting parents in every case...come on, to adopt a pet they investigate the adopting family.

     what loving parents?

  • #2.- It does affects me now and it did in the past, better said: Always had: How? in many ways, I suffered when these pervs were trying to seduced me when I was 10, 12, 14, 16, etcetera 20something years olds, always trying to touch me and always trying to set me up to get me in a bed. And I lost two friends thanks to homosexualism and right now I have problems controlling the ppl that I'm in charge of in my job because they are deep into homosexuality, is a madhouse.

  • @mangr12 #2.- That's not homosexuality that's pedophilia, completely different. Pedophiles usually don't even care about gender it's more about having power over another person. And you shouldn't tarnish a whole group of people just because of a few individuals anyway. No, you lost two good friends because you sound like another ignorant homophobe and I highly doubt you're having trouble controlling your colleagues because of the fact they are gay, but rather because of their personalities.

  • @MDoodlee #2.- That's actually both. Those homosexual pedophiles did care about gender, what they wanted it was male. Please read with care: I'm answering how it affects my life, not tarnishing on any group, but I can't deny my own experience. Now my friends I lost them, because they couldn't control their feelings: Obviously I'm not homophobic, get it? they were my friends, but Ok, I'll tell you how it was: My friend A and I went to the same school for six years, during that time he was

  • @MDoodlee #2 contd.- He was heterosexual, then we went to different schools and didn't see each other for four years. Out of nowhere he called me, Oh surprise! He changed his name and look, he was she now! big deal, my friend still. We went out and talk about whatever, how he was pretending to be hetero etcetera...two months later my life is hell, because he wants to have sex with me and he gets mad at me and goes crazy on his feelings for me, Phrase will never forget

  • @MDoodlee #2.- contd. Phrase I will never forget " you fucking dog! can you at least fuck me as a friend? just fuck me!" and he never understood that I was not interested and he wouldn't respect my heterosexuality, so we stop being friends... My other friend B, was so sad of a good bye: He came to give a good bye gift, a book, and start it like " I can't be your friend, I have feelings for you and I don't want to be gay, I go to the doctor and I go to the church and pray to God to take this away

  • @MDoodlee #2 contd.- to take this away. I don't want a dick in my ass! and when I talk to you I feel like a little girl, when you touch me I feel it too! last night i masturbated thinking of you...i can't be your friend... I'm fighting this and you are a problem" And that was it, we stop being friends. I'll tell you about the colleagues later, hahaha, some divas they are and I like them and I love them, but oh they go so far in libertinage

  • Hi Choirgrrl.

    Interesting topic. #1.- I'm so much against homosexuality when homosexuality is promoted and celebrated as normal when is another perversion of our constant seek of pleasure like sadomasochism.(keep in mind I'm referring to it as in sex, not love) actually homosexualism has a wide variety according to how sane the mind of the pervert is, if you really observe homosexuality you will know that GAY is just one of the variety.

  • @mangr12 #1.- Of course gay sex is about pleasuring each other, no one would have sex if you didn't get some kind of pleasure stimulant from it, gay, straight or whatever. Just because you have sex for pleasure does not make you perverted, it's a completely natural instinct. And how can you even observe homosexuality? Each relationship is completely different from another, on an emotional and physical level. Just like heterosexual relationships.

  • @MDoodlee I called it perversion or aberration because is an unnatural twisted source of pleasure, sexual pleasure. Intelligent masturbation is a perversion/aberration. Anal sex, hetero or homo sexual is a perversion/aberration. Cutting oneself or others to feel sexual pleasure is another perversion...and there are more. We human, don't go around according to natural instincts...we have created ways to stimulate our sexuality beyond any animal...We are different

    now to promote perversions

  • @MDoodlee #1 cont.- Now to promote perversions and to celebrate them as cultural norms is something I don't like. Observing homosexuality: Not all homosexual men are gay. the gay is like a wild crazy kid, flamboyant dynamic colorful, doesn't behave like a girl or like a woman, he is unique in his excentricism and not all gays take it in the ass, some just want to cuddle. The Jock gay (I call it neogay) is extremely "manly" serious and doesn't like to look "gay"

  • What about parents having sex with their grown up children? let's say a Mother 50 have a sex relation with her 28 years son but she feels her perfect partner is her 30 years old daughter. They love each other! and go into romance and sex. LOOK!, They are humans, loving, wishing adults, consenting.But we know this is wrong. Acceptable relations are defined by nature in our minds, but our mind and heart can trick us. Homosexuality is unnatural. Damaged minds and hearts!, Jesus fixes them up.

  • @bistecfrito You're comparing apples and oranges and know it, my friend. The two cannot even be compared. And if you choose to mention jesus, please be reminded his overall message was to love your neighbor, not judge them.

  • @choirgrrl You are right! JESUS says love your neighbor and do not judge him. Believe me, I do love you and pray to love you more and I beg Jesus I do not judge you. But Jesus wants to do you good and save us from what damage us, among the threats is homosexuality. It is not judging when I want people out of homosexuality as I want myself out of my sins. IT IS GOOD to stop people in their wrong ways even if it is hard and controversial. But Jesus is the only way we can be changed.

  • @choirgrrl Those of Christian faith do not judge others,'lest we be judged ourselves'. What is judged are the actions of others. BTW, his overall message is to love the Lord thy God. Second, is to love your neighbor as you love yourself.

  • @choirgrrl

    You should spend some time learning the correct biblical definition of "judgement". If you are, for example, stealing, and I witness you doing so and tell you its wrong to steal, I am not judging you. I am simply telling you the truth for your own good. To judge in the biblical sense is to have a condemning attitude. I find that many folks use their flawed idea of biblical judgement to deflect whatever is being debated. Yes, Jesus said to love, but he also said to live in truth.

  • @SeaWolfe59 Posting this video has taught me that trying to debate with hardcore Xtians is a waste of my time. They will never see my side, nor will I ever see theirs. It's like bashing one's head against a wall repeatedly and anticipating a different outcome. I am told 8 million definitions of what the bible says/means, and no 2 are alike. I give up with you guys. If you don't agree on what your book says, how am I expected to speak with you about it, let alone understand?

  • @choirgrrl At this point I figure I have read the darned thing front to back, and will just go by what I took from it, which was just more questions and confusion.

  • @choirgrrl

    I thought I would get an honest, thoughtful response from you judging by the way you posed the discussion. Are you not willing to see the simple logic in my statement? Your use of the word judgement is in error. This does not make sense to you? Or, since I am a Christian you just count me out? If so, I find that prejudicial, closed-minded and disappointing.

  • @SeaWolfe59 I honestly don't see the difference you're trying to convey here. I suppose that makes me unable to comprehend "simple logic". Enlighten me. I don't count you out because you are a Xtian, quite the opposite, in fact. I am just tired of defending myself, explaining myself, and arguing points that will never change for either side. It's exhausting. My mental location is so far beyond right here in this topic.

  • @SeaWolfe59 And that is no offense to you in any way... I'm just unable to see the Xtian side. I just can't. And it seems they cannot see mine. That seems to be the way it is from my experience through responses here.

  • @bistecfrito The reaon why things like that are considered wrong is because if (for example) a grown man has sex with his daughter or a brother has sex with his sister can have a terrible affect on a child if the female were to get pregnet. Incest has a genetic effect on a child and it is often very bad. That's why incest is illegal. It being illegal is why it's unnatural because no one does it (because it's illegal and can have a negative effect on a child if one is born). hasnothin todowithit

  • there is a clear diff rence between nature and fetish ..bieng gay is just like the way some people have fetishes for doing it while they are hanging from swings or into a pool or liking super fat women but the normal nature of human is liking the opposite sex ..but how does it effect my life well for starters if i know that my friend was gay i would sertanly keep my distance so he wont develop :FEELINGS" for me

  • @h5348227 Gay people don't love all men/women! just like str8 ppl don't like every men/women! now still I cannot agree with you if we were born this way than it's natural you cannot approve that the natural thing is to like the opposite sex there is no rule that say that so please respect other ppl! (That is all I'm trying to tell you I have nothing against you personally but you are very rude when oyu speak this way I mean keep distance cuz he is gay!?)

  • @Imamaltese1 yeah well i am a pretty handsome guy but if your gay friend starts liking you how would you say dude i am straight and he is like cmon i really really love you ..hard situation aint it ..some people say that bieng gay is natural and compare it with some animals but on the contray i think that humans are far more supperior creatures and we shouldnt pick up sexual acts from animals cuz otherwise i know a worm that has sex with itself so should we do that!?

  • @Imamaltese1 i also get disgusted by the fact there is something that the homos do which is called Fisting ! in the end it is something between you and your god and if some people who dont belive in god well thats an even bigger issue hopefully people will find the truth about its negative or positive effects soon but most importantly the fact the you convince yourself that its ok to be gay is troublesome because even if science proves a 1000 reasons you would still find it hard to let go of it

  • Seriously. A woman could please herself with her dog and both be happy. Both the dog and the person are mammals, we could say they belong to the same species, but we know we are breaking Nature. Parents and children love each other, brothers, but they can't be sexual partners, if this happens there's something very wrong. This wrong solution to the need of intimacy is the problem in homosexual, incestual relationships, rapes, etc. There's solution, "Jesus Christ solves this hard situation".

  • @bistecfrito But who are you to judge us? everyone live his life like he want's it! DO YOU THINK THAT YOU HAVE RIGHTS ON MY LIFE or that you have rights on any other homosexual person out there??? NO YOU HAVE NOT! and c'mon you cannot do sex with a dog!! or a cat it makes no sense you can love a dog but not to do sex with him cause humans want to do sex with other humans not with animals I mean don't make sense at all if gay marriage was allowed still people would not marry their pets LOL

  • the true relligion means that prostitution and adultry and rape and homo shouldnt be there . because what god prohibited has a positive effect .we humans either no it or we dont but it seems that the countries that prohibit prostitution and homo has less cases of STDs . although it seems fun cheating on your wife and trying out a new girls ass everyday but ultimatly it will be a big screw up with STDs same goes for anal sex .( am a student of medicine so i can talk about from the medical points

  • @h5348227 So by this logic, women have less rights as men and should be treated as second class citizens. There are numerous mentions of this in the bible, far more than any prohibiting homosexuality. The spread of STD has nothing to do with the gay community, and everything to do with people having unprotected sex. Most STDs have been around for centuries, and most are also far more prevalent in the straight community than anywhere else.

  • @choirgrrl my dear i really like the fact that you are very polite . anyways i am not saying that girls are inferior to guys in any way . but what i want to say is that the bible and the quran and the taurat are all focusing on the same thing so it has to have a significant importance right? as for STD anal sex it could cause symptoms include: Chlamydia, gonorrhea, lymphogranuloma venereum, shigella and herpes. Viruses are also transmitted in the same manner, and include HIV, Hep B, Hep C

  • @choirgrrl (PART 1)-its wrong because it goes against my biblically inspired morals. so i guess you could just say it isnt moral IMO

    -it hasnt (except when i had to see 2, 70 year old women make out) but then again neither has bigotry against minorities affected me. its still wrong (IMO of course)

    -they shouldnt be able to legally marry because thats not what marriage is. as far as legal benefits...nobody should get them...

  • @choirgrrl The amount of attention given to the intricate relations between men and women is, by far, more worthy than giving it to the subject of homosexuality. How did you come to the conclusion that h5348227's logic assumes that women have less rights than men? Why are AIDS cases a higher % among homosexuals, per capita, than that of all heterosexuals? Men and women compliment each other sexually, spiritually and naturally.Homosexuals mock heterosexuals in a faux-pas fassion. Why?

  • @h5348227 I think that she made it clear that she want answers on how homosexuality affects YOU in YOUR personal LIFE why do you still say cause GOD said that she made it very clear that she's aware of what the bible says and she don't care!

  • what is your religion again ?? well frankly speaking as far as my religion is concerned we dont have sex until we are married ..this way thier are no dirty vaginas as you mentioned and everyone gets a clean partner and it works fine . it is in human nature to like the opposite sex and thats why we have so called (crush) but it seems that gay people might be dessprate in finding thier partner since online dating sucks so they decide that hey i love you and they become faggity with time .

  • @h5348227 I choose not to discuss my religious preferences here on YT. They are personal to me, and most people upon hearing them automatically choose to tune me out. Therefore, they remain personal to anyone who does not share the same. I personally feel waiting to have sex until marriage is a bad idea. People should live- and sleep- together at least a year before marriage.

  • @h5348227 Your an IDIOT! we don't care what your religion says everyone lives his life! why should you JUDGE? now about the thing that is in human nature to like the opposite sex that's wrong too cause if gay people are born this way and I'm sure that they are born this way cause I'am one too! then it's natural!!! why you come here with no experience and judge?? G-E-T A L-I-F-E! and before speaking here get things clear BITCH

  • @Imamaltese1 ok first of all why are you soo mad dont you manners for argument look at the comments by chorigirl they are polite ..you just keep saying bitch and JUDGE is that all you got to support your statement ..and why are you saying that doing animals is wrong who are you to JUDGE people who do so . remember this comment when you get some kind of wierd disease

  • @h5348227 I still don't do sex bro so I cannot have any disease...EMM I am free to speak like I want people like you just get me angry! thirdly I am not judging I'm just saying that everyone should live his life and no one like you to tell them they'r wrong

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  • @choirgrrl What's the difference, think about it if you feel that strongly to debate.

  • @JazReviews Honestly, I would not care. I really wouldn't. It would not affect my personal life in any way, so I do not care.

  • it is prohibited in all the religions and if you dont believe in religions than then the second reason is it cases diseases and for those who dont know anal sex also is a major reason for diseases compared to vaginal and in case of man and man the only way is through the anus ..and most probably it is yuck as hell

  • @h5348227 Not prohibited in my "religion"; then again, my beliefs are centered around self-pleasure in all forms. Believe it or not, it can actually by quite pleasurable. I can only imagine even more so for men, as they have the ever-sensitive prostate gland. Trust me on this one, there are probably for more filthy vaginas out there than anuses. My point is simple, what one does in one's bedroom is no one's business but theirs.

  • @h5348227 Shut up let everyone live his life if you think it can cause disease than don't do anal sex but shut the fuck up!

  • @Imamaltese1 plz dude get a life or a girl at least

  • @h5348227 I get what I want if I want a boy I will get a boy and I have a life and if there is someone here that needs one that's you! :)

  • Homosexuality is a choice, I have been cured over one thousand times.

  • @Clemburke1111 Yes get a life bitch!

  • @Clemburke1111 Guy you'll better go to a doctor for mental issues homosexuality it's not a choice you said it yourself I have been cured one thousand times so it doesn't work!! just accept yourself as you are people that go seeking other people to "cure" homosexuality are people that are not happy with themselves!

  • Looking great... but i miss the tattoos and pigtails ;)

  • @marvincontendo Lol... trust me, the tattoos are still there! :P

  • This girl is right many people say cause the bible............we don't give a shit what the bible says 2nd thing some people says if they see 2 male/females kissing they thing that is a good thing and they will actually become gay! wtf!?! I mean I saw straight guys kissing but just because I saw that I didn't change me! so please grow up and reflect how this affects you in your OWN! personal life

  • @Imamaltese1 At least someone here got it... most people are too clouded by hate and ignorance. Thanks for the comment. :)

  • @choirgrrl No problem I'couldn't not comment (: cause ur so right :)

  • something simple, look at the animals does male dogs and male dogs have sex? and could I ask u a little question why are they gays, and also to write do u use paper on paper, or pen on paper? I dont support gay people, because its wrong..

  • @Mr130792 Believe it or not, there are many species of animals that show homosexual tendencies. Several varieties of birds, dolphins, felines, as well as apes, elephants- the list goes on and on, really. Canines may not be known for it, but it is present throughout nature and found around the world. Hate is never beneficial to anyone, especially society at large.

  • @choirgrrl you're a girl so I think u wouldnt mind kissing a man in front of a kid right? would u kiss another girl in front of a kid? I dont hate gay ppl, i just dont like what they do

  • @Mr130792 A kid seeing two girls kissing would only be considered 'gross' and 'wrong' if the child was TAUGHT that it was gross or wrong.

    What would it be doing to you if I (and I'm a girl) were to go make out with another girl? Personally, how is it effecting you in any way, shape or form?

  • @Mr130792 Your comment don't make sense believe me......I don't like what str8 people do! sooo we cannot go on like this! I don't like it so I will express homophobia against these people!

  • @Imamaltese1 u wanna b gay dude go ahead have fun kissing and touching mens,

  • @Mr130792 LOOOL and why do you think it's wrong?? because GOD say that I don't give a shit of what the bible says seriously "because it's wrong" who are you to judge BITCH?

  • @Imamaltese1 my friend there is no reason to curse, and am not judging anyone, I just said why I dont like what gay ppl do

  • First off, the reason you are gay is because you searched for an answer until you got the answer you 'wanted'. The key problem with you choir is that you just want the answer 'you' want. It doesn't matter if it's right or wrong, just that it's what you want to hear. And also your most important question is actually a very selfish question. The world does not revolve around you. It's about everyone in general.

  • @TristanTroll I suppose that is where you and I shall disagree in how we view the world. There may be others in the world, but I only worry about me. However, even through my relentless selfishness, I do feel that everyone should have the right to do whatever they want behind their own closed doors, so long as those activities are consensual. It does not directly affect me, which also means it does NOT directly affect everyone else. I want people to think, that's all.

  • @choirgrrl well the feisty look works for you, hope to see it in some more of your vids ^^

    Which by the way I love, sorta new to you videos, and I already love them.

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    My typing is horrendous, sorry

  • @choirgrrl this is a bit of topic, but I think you quite suit the lion hair. RAWR!!!!!!

  • @zeonlimited Haha! Even as I type this, it is feisty in it's appearance. :P

  • @drama72772 not trying to start an argument here but you compare gay people, who by the way mean no harm at all, to rapist and people alike and you want to know what is wrong with her. Yes I respect your beliefs but just because the are gay does not mean that they go out and rape people.

  • You know I am a christian and for the first time, I understand you. But what is wrong with being gay? What is wrong with being a rapist? Or a Child Molester? What is wrong when a gay man rapes you while your in prison and no one does nothing about it? AIDS? Death? No... the real question is "What is wrong with you?" Wait, don't answer that...because YOU DON'T KNOW." You have just had an encounter with "The 4th Qtr."

  • @drama72772 And to hear that you can still call yourself a Xtian and maintain your faith while still seeing the light... it makes me smile! :) So many people cannot see that the 2 can and SHOULD co-exist. I may not be religious, but my only issue with religion is the hatred that seems to come from passing judgement. Thankfully, not all people are like this. Faith is a beautiful thing, no matter what form it comes in- just so long as it is stuffed full of understanding and peace. Thanks!

  • @drama72772 Gay people don't rape other men/women If your'gay it doesn't mean that you rape all people! LOL get facts clear before judging on YT and NOTHING IS WRONG WITH US cause we are born this way so nature maked us this way so we are 1000% NATURAL!

  • @choirgrrl Lol don't get me wrong, I have 3 homosexual cousins and i have a gay friend. I don't hate 'em, I just thing is wrong. I feel sorry because I know gay people can't help being gay. so..

  • @GranKnight87 I have a few family members who feel this way, so I can understand. Perhaps if one has never felt it, then it can never truly be understood? Now this really gets me thinking! :)

  • @choirgrrl I'm sorry if I offeded you, I deleted my comment, It was rude

  • @GranKnight87 No worries. I came off rude, myself. I've been attacked through text for this vid, and every time I get a response now, I go back into defense mode. Need to work on that, and I apologize.

  • @choirgrrl I think sometimes a suffer from "hater syndrome" Lmao! that's the result of years and years of psychological abuse for me being obese :/ agian i apologize. you didn't do anything wrong

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  • In short, " Christians, keep your beliefs out of it".

    You can't be serious.

    You've assumed your position as mainstream, and the views others as automatically " wrong."

    You are not genuinely interested the views of others, so why even bother to ask?

    This my answer and conclusion to your position on this clip.

    :)

  • @Tsuruta1 I only want people to think outside of the box. I would imagine your god disapproves of hate, no matter in what form. It seems I am wrong, and hatred is a core principle of being a Xtian. At least it seems that way from the responses I've gotten to this vid.

  • @choirgrrl You've already concluded that "hate" is the catalyst and reason. So there's no need to make this clip asking this question.

  • @Tsuruta1 No, hate is not the reason. Hate is the result. When a mental block is engrained so deeply that an entire group of people are cut off from social interaction, then one is really cheating themselves, as well as dividing our world socially. What if a man invented the cure for cancer, but he happened to be gay? Would that cure, then, be ignored, or condemned as evil? Would that man be hated? Always look past the outer packaging, you never know what beauty may lay inside!

  • @choirgrrl Totally irrelevant. If a person says no to homosexuality and the things related, that's your seeing it as "hateful". I knew and worked with LGBT, two were buddies of mine in bodybuilding, one's deceased unfortunately, the other was a lesbian girl from a past job. All these people knew my views, all Christian based, NEVER sensed hatred from me, even after I gave my views. Why? Because they were secure with themselves, and we knew how to agree to disagree. I don't need hypotheticals.

  • @Tsuruta1 *stops. thinks. mind is blown* You ever have one of your moments where you realize your behavior may be just as bad as those you are against? I have been lumping everyone with opposing beliefs into the "Westborough Baptist" style thinkers. You know, those who are against and won't even go near anyone who isn't the same. I never once thought someone could be against this, yet still be civil about it. I am truly embarrassed- but also enlightened. Wow. Thank you.

  • @choirgrrl That's what true 'tolerance' is all about. :) When you're able to disagree with each other in a mature manner. And I'll tell you in a SNAP, Fred Phelps and his "church" do not represent true Christians. I for one, never call LGBT those ugly slurs let alone carry those STUPID signs. Those words are hurtful, devoid of compassion. That doesn't mean I support what they believe and do, what I stress is accountability. I can speak on what I believe, but it's up to one to apply it. :)

  • Well it offects mein multiple ways... 1. Gays want to get married (they spit on my God and my Faith) 2. Less good looking girls who are straight 3. Cause alot of health problems 4. I cant say my thoughts in public anymore 5. Is a big thing in satanism (Yes I KNOW... but this is a reason as well, if it werent evil as we think then the ritual of same sex wouldnt be important in old satanism, not the 60' crap i am talking about masons and old satanism) 6. Confusion of children (why because its not

  • @Spiritualmindedify From the answers you gave not even one of them affects you PERSONALLY! have you read your answers? the 1st one of god.....I mean not everyone believes in GOD! 2 Don't even make any sense! 3 Does this affect you?? (reflect PLS!!) 4Does not make sense! LOL :) 5 I don' care and it doesn't affect you (AGAIN) 6:Children cannot be confused because they see 2 men/women kissing I'm gay I saw str8 kissing I didn't change and all of these doesn't not affect YOU!

  • normal, and in which if it were normal, then we wouldnt have these moral questions and problems, but even in our normal society... we know that sticking a dick in another mans ass is odd and really not normal, in which as ofcourse doing the same to a woman is also a not normal sexual, more unhealthy, activity) 7. The word love is being changed to something confusing, and has lost the real meaning, love is not having a best friend (who makes you feel good) and add sexual relation to it!

  • Man, looks like I stumbled into the Bible nerds section. Can anyone point me towards the Settlers of Katan?

  • @TheSpecterEagle This comment is just.... genius. :)

  • @choirgrrl Thanks, its not often I get that distinction.

  • What about the INCREDIBLY higher rates of sexually transmitted diseases amongst gay people and the numerous and unique STD's attributable ONLY to the homosexual population and NOT to heterosexuals? If it weren't for homosexuality, AIDS would NOT be at the near epidemic level that it is. Clearly by verifiable medical evidence, it is NOT OK to be gay. As for the Bible, you can disregard it all you wish, but that cannot change the reality that God absolutely despises the sin of homosexuality.

  • @truthinreality May I then lead you to Matthew 7:1-2? If the bible means so much to you, then perhaps you should read it sometime. Perhaps also James 4:11-12? I am fully aware of every evil the bible places on homosexuals. You must also remember it is just as evil to sleep with a woman on her period, to eat pork, for a man to cut his hair, or to wear 2 different types of fabric together. Your book says to lead by example, and your obvious hate is not something I care to follow.

  • @choirgrrl: Matthew 7:12 Judge not lest ye be judged. Many people misinterpret this verse to mean that judging is something forbidden or to be avoided. To the contrary, God wants us to judge righteously in accordance with His Word and to avoid self righteous and or hypocritical judgment. 1 Cor 2:15, 1 Cor 6:3, Psalm 37:30, Ezek. 22:2. Also, the Old Testament examples you cite are not applicable to modern day. But, the Word of God is unchanging and most clear regarding the sin of homosexuality.

  • @truthinreality Okay but if you saw the video it said how this affects YOU in your PERSONAL life! I mean if u don't have the disease and ur caution not to have it then ok nice congratz. but stop judging it's still not a valid answer!

  • just agree on homosexuality as a sexual disorientation and everything will be fine. Being straight is normal being homosexual is not. There is no need to normalize homosexuality by associating it with activities that heterosexual take pride in and are generally considered positive and socially appreciated. make it a punishable offense to tell kids that being gay is okay cause its not and should be considered as anti straight. Accept the mentioned things and we will have no problems.

  • I fucking don't care what you do in your homes or your foster kids or your testube kids or own kids. Keep them away from our straight kids and tell them to stop telling our kids about their freaking gay family. we are not interested. Evolution has made you rejects and that is what you are, sexually disoriented individuals. Don't cross our path and we fucking don't care about what you do.

  • @G41MCombo I consider myself bisexual. (I hate to use that term because it is flopped around so freely these days) I remember being a young girl and being attracted to women. As the girls in my class began to develop, I had even stronger feeling about them. I know it is something I have always carried with me, and just consider part of my genetic makeup. I hate to say "disorder" because it does not bother me like it seems to bother everyone else.

  • @G41MCombo LOL wtf!?! being gay is okay tell me a reason why being gay is not okay?? because ur christian maybe?? not valid 1st cause she said how it affects YOU secondly not everyone in the world is christian! BEING GAY IS OKAY!

  • and violent. SEX does not define me, unfortuantley it does many and its their whole world and life

  • i can love my wife and feel satisfied and content holding her hand the act of sex is purely a small and rare part. it is not needed to have asatisfying full relationship , i have climaxes holding her hand . sex is so animalistic

  • @TheBayaker I can respect you for this, indeed. :)

  • i dont love vagina, its my duty as a husband and we wanted children

  • some people only have intercourse or sex when they want a baby

  • I didnt know that not all gays didnt do anal, some only do oral? ive heard that some gays allways act like the women and the other gay doesnt like it up him but instead plays the male role

  • @TheBayaker I've had many gay friends throughout my life, and they were all VERY different people. Some enjoyed anal, but most weren't hip on it.

  • so heteros like vaginas and anuses, but gays only prefer anuses . is that what your saying what is better the anus or vagina. I wouldnt know , i stay well clear of feces

  • ive heard of many bisexuals having anal with women. not all heteros participate in vaginal / penal either but there are no gays that like the vagina

  • @TheBayaker So your argument boils down to love of the vagina? As a man, you must love vagina? I'm guessing as a woman, you must love penis as well. What would you say if you discovered I am bisexual, and have tried just about everything in the sexual book- including anal? What does this mean for other woman like myself who can write the same sexual memoirs? What is in store for us?

  • I got a e mail question stating that the activities i mentioned were something found in hustler. well the term gay and lesbian is in no uncertain terms , a statement about not only sexual oritation but the specific sexually prefered method they use to achieve sexual satisfacation and climax. My statements realted to anal for gays and cunniligus and vaginal penetration with fingers dildoes , strap ons etc for lesbians. . For normal or t he majority of humans sexual activity and pleasure is pen/va

  • gays main pleasure is anal and it is just as unclean as sex invloving urine if not more so. if human sexual activity was mean to involve the anus then it wouldnt have feces coming out of it. the vagina doesnt and it naturally libricates and has a ph dezigned to be freindly to sperm. and thats for a vey good reason, it was made for sexual intercourse not the anus. I think made the people , gays inparticular , need to tale classes in anatomy and physiology. perhaps they just dont know any better

  • @TheBayaker You must remember, however, that not all gays participate in anal sex, while there are also PLENTY of straight people who do. In fact, many Xtian girls in the younger generation are now trying to preserve their hymens (and virginity) by having anal sex and saving vaginal intercourse for marriage. For me, this argument is invalid. Besides, the "male clitoris" or the prostate gland, is located deep in the anal cavity, and is one of the more sensitive locations for producing orgasm.

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  • Im not into anal sex, and isnt sex designed to make babies? Anal sex is unhealthy , the anus was designed to get rid of solid bodly waste and is filled with bacteria shit was not designed to eat, or get off sexually with. It is nasty but some people have been know to eat it, and babies sometimes use it for finger painting SOme people known as machocist cannot enjoy sex without pain and I dont think think thats normal or good either. SOme people get off by getting peed on and drink it.

  • @TheBayaker Well, yes, now we have covered a list of perversions that would be more appropriate for Hustler... but where's the beef? Where's the core argument?

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  • @BeauG92 " animals argument, i do not." stupid right? atleast we agree on somethin, even though many homosexuals disagree with you. "common sense, you'd know that family love is between brothers" LOL are u okay? I kno that its wrong, but you still haven't told me if YOU think its wrong or not! come on atleast try to answer the question. if you had common sense you would notice the bright as day compatibility between male and female.