Liberal Viewer McCain Judeo-Christian Principles

[beachnic]

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[Historymajor44]

Sorry dude, I have to say your wrong and the Liberal viewer was right. TJ wasn't the only founding father to debunk your theory. John Adams and Ben Franklin both wrote letters and gave speeches saying that we should be and was founded on reason not religion.

[theZodiacDigital]

hello guy. this was pathetic. please dont try this again. youre getting destroyed,

atheists feel no guilt? that's hilarious considering that THE VAST MAJORITY OF CRIMINALS are christians, even if you adjust for proportions, most people who commit crimes are people who believe in god.

yet atheists are the bad guys right?

[azoriusherald]

This video skips right over the part where Liberalviewer goes over the treaty with Tripoli, authored by Adams and Jefferson, which states "The United States is in no sense founded on the Christain religion." I also think an argument is not very compelling when you say "blah blah blah" while someone else is reading good evidence against your case. And it is YOU who has a problem with HIS choice of words?

[98wongjf]

I'm sorry taqiyyacrusader, but if you are to refute a point I think it would be much stronger if you can provide some actual facts to back you up. At the very least, Liberal Viewer did his research and was able to generate evidence.

For example "...and yet he (Thomas Jefferson) has build his philosophy and foundation on Christianity" This is where you would input facts to back you up. If you don't have any, it becomes an opinion.

[arsepoetica71]

I challenge everyone here to find ONE THING in the United States Constitution that is based on Christianity. what a ridiculous lie. then again, you christians with your mythology and delusional, self-serving logic, have never about what actually IS true, but only what you want to be true. RELIGION=MYTHOLOGY.

[arsepoetica71]

deism is not christianity. they believe the universe was created by some kind of master hand, but that the creator does not or cannot intervene. they reject ideas of miracles and prophecy...they are not "christians who don't want to push christianity on you." that is indisputibly INCORRECT. do some fucking research.

[taqiyyacrusader]

seperation of church n state is never mentioned in or constitution. a liberal judge coined that in the 20th cent.

stop using QUOTES... my God you guys are so ridiculous. all of our founding fathers were dealing with their own churches and others and had to equivocate ALL THE CHRISTIAN CHURCHES! they were doing a balancing act amongst CHRISTIANS!!! you guys are silly!

[arsepoetica71]

separation of church and state is not mentioned in the constitution????

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" FIRST AMENDMENT!!! it is true that the phrase "separation of church and state" is not in the constitution, but whatever those founding fathers thought personally is not important. they took great pains to ensure that no one religion took over. my own beliefs aside, religion is a personal matter.

[cdog4100]

WOW... are you totally ignorant? Maybe you should try reading a book and turn off your am radio for a while. FACT: Separation of Church and State was coined by by Thomas Jefferson in 1802 in a letter to the Danbury Baptists, in which he referred to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution as "thus building a wall of separation between Church & State". You, sir, are an idiot. NEXT!

[Celephaith]

He's right. Try reading up on some history. The majority of the Founding Fathers were deists (basically the agnostics of their day) or outright atheists, like Jefferson and Paine. Even John Adams, who *was* a Christian, wrote "As the government of the United States of America is not on any sense founded on the Christian Religion..."

[Odyssey54]

This guy is retarded. Deism is NOT a form of christianity.

[OllyakaEnfillade]

Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone upon man - Thomas Jefferson

Lighthouses are more useful than churches - Ben Franklin

This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it -John Adams

The Christian God is a being of terrific character- cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust -Thomas Jefferson

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion -George Washington

You are misinformed - me

[ren1997]

Deists are not Christian. Deists would take your assertion insulting.

[ahabthewhaler]

it is very simple. separation of church and state. thats it. the founding fathers did not believe in religion playing a role in government

[rjh00]

Christians debate?Are you serious?Christians believe in a book which say that certain things are and if you were to question any of what is said in that book, the christians would call you a unbeliever and that you will burn in hell for all eternity because you do not believe in "the word of God". Can you tell me how christians debate when as soon as you ask why the bible is right, the answer is its the word of God, so it must be right,To question it would be to question God.Explain please.

[pagano60]

A better way to refute the Liberal Viewer would be to point out the places where the Judeo-Christian God is mentioned in the U.S. Constitution.

[NSquarticsurface]

"Without religion good people would do good things and bad people would do bad things. It is only through religion that good people will do bad things."

-Steven Weinberg

Don't talk about atheism that way. Every atheist I know is more ethical and moral than every Christian I know (for precisely the reason of the quote I gave). Christians do immoral things and don't feel guilty because they feel God is on their side. Atheists will always feel guilty about immoral actions.

[Saromatae]

"Deists are basically christians that doesn't want to push christianity on you"

Thats a lie. Deists are not christians in any way. The deist god has little in common with the christian god.

"The founding fathers were all christian"

Not according to historians. It wouldn't even be correct to say "some" of the founding fathers were christian. I suggest you go and get saved again. This lying is going to land you in hell. I don't care if you are lying for jesus. He wouldn't approve.

[toothpickboy13]

"As for Jesus, I have doubts of his divinity"- Benjamin Franklin

[QuantumTuba]

Your argument is even more fallacious when one considers that being founded by Christians is not equivalent to being founded upon Judeo-Christian principles. Ignoring that you're wrong about the Founders, you assume that holding certain values means that an institution or government one founds will be based upon such values. This assumption is baseless and may be falsified by counterexample.

[QuantumTuba]

To assert that deism is a variant of Christianity is ludicrous. Deists believe in a god that issues no revelations, or at least whose revelations are personal and not relevant to others. They deem science, philosophy, and independent thought the path to God, not revelation, the church, or the Bible. You would be more justified calling Muslims, Jews, or even Hindus "basically Christian."

[MLGplyr86]

Benjamin Franklin also stated the moral teachings of Christianity in a society would make for less anarchy.

[MLGplyr86]

Don't forget about the founding fathers who were atheist and theist as well (Benjamin Franklin for example was an atheist but believed that a christian nation would be less likely to revert to anarchy). Deist's believe that God created the universe and the ENTIRE earth....that's it. There is no personal relationship with God which is a huge difference compared to Christian belief.

[therrydicule]

Common. The "founding father" didn't agree on religion.

We have, in this group:

Methodist,Congregationalist,Qu­aker,Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Roman catholic and not affiliated. Some of them was anti-clergical but some was Freemason.

One of them was calling himself a realist and made is home realistic bible (Yes: President Jefferson).

Some was Deist, some theist, some agnostic and some atheist.

Some have change of tough (Ex:Hamilton).

And 7 of them make bankrupt, sign that religious or not...

[eddtheman070]

Article 11, treaty of tripoli (1797)

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion:"

[MrTacoCool]

you have not supported your side with any facts, also you just kind of rant, and by attacking athiests ( sorry if spelled wrong ) you ga against the christian belief of loving your neighbor. By neighbor it means everyone, not just the person next door. I'm not attacking you, I just wanted to put that out there.

[BCMoney919]

Deism =/= Christianity

[TomPaineII]

WHICH Judeo-Chritian prinicples was the US founded on? Do you even have an answer?

[BallsDeepTube]

I going to pay for this. Or I am going to half to fight tooth and nail over an HMO to pay for my medical costs. I am not even going to get in the Iraq war. Also if you call "catholic church was excited about science!" as burning you at the stake for saying the earth was not the center of the universe then you have a lot to learn about the church.

[BallsDeepTube]

It is called universal health care and the French pay a lot out of taxes to make it work. It also works to. A lot of Europe has some sort of socialized health care and guess what it works. 2nd our health care blows because the health care insurance companies are a for profit industry. If they can not make money they can not provide health care. The problem is that human life should not have a price tag on it. As an American if i go to the hospital I don't want to think how the hell am -->

[BallsDeepTube]

The main difference between the liberal viewer and your video is he has evidence supporting his argument. You simply have an opinion to debunk his argument. If you want to make a strong argument use evidence. 2nd you watched what 40 seconds of his video and then just discarded the rest. The reason you got angry to is that he made a strong statement, "Old wives' tale". The rest of your comments are just way out there to. Like free health care in France. Hey its not FREE.

[GoCubsGo343]

what is the difference of a liberal point of view, and conservative point of view? i need to know for school. it makes no sense. thank you.

[taqiyyacrusader]

i cant ease off on generalization. i am bombarded with it on this comment page and throughout youtube. its frightening. i am proud of the Judeo-christian source of our governance, science, education, but atheists are now rewriting history. Universities which started adjacent cathedrals in Europe, are now touting that J-C principles persecuted scientists! how ludicrous! the catholic church was excited about science! even Galileo! but arguing went on of course. Atheist want to claim science.

[taqiyyacrusader]

fannie mae/freddie mac are democrat supported & run. remember republicans ran congress under Clinton. free health care is failing in France. innovations from free U.S. market. unless you want anti-aging sex creme from Sweden i guess. Sarkozy, German chancelor & Irish, I hear were voted in as pro-American conservatives. WE'RE WINNING IN IRAQ!!! Well, we'll see liberal commie in Nov. Hope we don't have any voting issues like Democrat primarie... what a corrupt elitist system that was!

[erjoalgo]

look, the implementation of conservative policies throughout the last 8 years have exposed the garbage of the right to a rather vexing degree. Us liberals are taking over, however much you may whine about it with false arguments and ignorance, you and your friends cannot stop the people from waking up in this country. You can't stop us now.

[taqiyyacrusader]

when universitie are 80% democrat, and probably 100% in your department. and when I was indoctrinated at mine. and saw how grad students were all inbred bobble heads. and how professors tenure like minded libs. well you can see where this is going.

having said that! you say I said 'solely'. where did I say that Master? how can a Master's thesis come to that conclusion with my vid & these few comments? especially when below I said Greek influence as well.

Your university must suhhhhhck!

[stevetraina]

I spent many hours of research on my Master's thesis in pursuit of answering this question:Is America a Christian Nation?

You fail to reference even one of the many instances you say supports a yes answer.

America was founded on a combination of ideals-some Christian, some not; some borrowed by Christianity and some from Christianity.

To say that America is founded solely on the principles of Christianity is at best so simple an opinion as to be absurd, and at worst a blatant untruth.

[taqiyyacrusader]

The Deists Atheists like promote are our founding fathers. Deism has MANY issues. But the one focal point are the Church going christians who philosophized Deism in govt. Atheists want to disregard judeo-christian influence and use Deism as their shield.

[lamar1283]

Dude, the whole atheist manipulate things and so and so forth comes from both sides. I respect your opinion but ease off on the generalizations. Religious people or non-religious, if you are a bad person, your a bad person. You sound like a decent person dude. Don't let an opinion dictate your character. You have a good day sir...

Gabriel

[JemyM]

Deism have little to do with Christianity and a radically different perspective on "God" compared to Christians.

[taqiyyacrusader]

christians had community meetings since 317 A.D. in England. Catholic consolidation started at around 800 A.D. Then the govt run Church of England was formed. Any influence at all??? NOOoooooooOOoOo... Not even a state run church? Atheists can sit & blink & whine at these considerations, because there's no guilt or conscience to pursue truths only their agenda!

[LiberalViewer]

taqiyyacrusader: "You declare its an old wives tale that Christianity have had an effect on the laws of England or Europe"

Instead of refuting this strawman, why not address what I actually said was an old wives tale: the claim the USA was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. In fact, the USA was founded on the US Constitution and English common law neither of which are "Judeo-Christian principles" b/c of facts I explained that you failed to address

Thx 4 posting the video as a response :-)

[taqiyyacrusader]

you mean 1400 years of christian society in England during its common law formation? before Ameria's govt? that half our founding fathers were biblical scholars, the other half just church goers? Pagan common laws means the seperation of church & state, NOT that English common laws formed from CELTIC or VIKING religions. I'm refuting you, you are just so ideological you can't see that. And "in the year of our lord" i know isn't enough for you though all of them understood quite well.

[StarDragon1955]

T. Jefferson: about the history of common law in letter to Thomas Cooper on 02/10/1814:

"For we know that the common law is that system of law which was introduced by the Saxons on their settlement in England, and altered from time to time by proper legislative authority from that time to the date of Magna Charta, which terminates the period of the common law. This settlement took place about the middle of the fifth century. But Christianity was not introduced till the seventh century; (cont)

[StarDragon1955]

the conversion of the first christian king of the Heptarchy having taken place about the year 598, and that of the last about 686. Here then, was a space of two hundred years, during which the common law was in existence, and Christianity no part of it." (Cont.)

[StarDragon1955]

If, therefore, from the settlement of the Saxons to the introduction of Christianity among them, that system of religion could not be a part of the common law, because they were not yet Christians, and if, having their laws from that period to the close of the common law, we are all able to find among them no such act of adoption, we may safely affirm (though contradicted by all the judges and writers on earth) that Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."

[StarDragon1955]

In the same letter, Jefferson examined how the error spread about Christianity and common law. Jefferson realized that a misinterpretation had occurred with a Latin term by Prisot, "ancien scripture", in reference to common law history. The term meant "ancient scripture" but people had incorrectly interpreted it to mean "Holy Scripture," thus spreading the myth that common law came from the Bible. Jefferson writes: (cont.)

[StarDragon1955]

And Blackstone repeats, in the words of Sir Matthew Hale, that 'Christianity is part of the laws of England,' citing Ventris and Strange ubi surpa. 4. Blackst. 59. Lord Mansfield qualifies it a little by saying that 'The essential principles of revealed religion are part of the common law." In the case of the Chamberlain of London v. Evans, 1767. (cont.)

[StarDragon1955]

But he cites no authority, and leaves us at our peril to find out what, in the opinion of the judge, and according to the measure of his foot or his faith, are those essential principles of revealed religion obligatory on us as a part of the common law."

[StarDragon1955]

Thus we find this string of authorities, when examined to the beginning, all hanging on the same hook, a perverted expression of Priscot's, or on one another, or nobody."

End.

[theZodiacDigital]

i applaud you sir. i have probably never seen so much ownage on the internet in my entire life, and ive been on the internet since before it was cool.

[StarDragon1955]

Thanks. Where do you stand on the issue BTW?

[theZodiacDigital]

i find that there really is no issue, christianity should have no preferred place in society, it should be equal to other religions, and an attempt to connect it with the founding, in my opinion, should not result in any preference. because ultimately, i get the feeling that this is what its all about, christians attempting to show that the christian religion deserves a higher place in our society.

[taqiyyacrusader]

English Common Law has pagan origins that went through over 1000 years of Christianity by 17th. You declare its an old wives tale that Christianity have had an effect on the laws of England or Europe. I also accept Greek influence. But your demeaning stridency of Judeo-Christian influence is typical of Atheist 'based on reality' argument. JUST PERCENTAGEwise the population of christians in these nations is so much more telling than your lots-of-free-time-atheist-edit­ed-little youtube vids.

[LiberalViewer]

The principles on which the USA was founded are:

The US Constitution and

English common law.

Except for the date, the US Constitution doesnt mention God. As Jefferson discussed w/Cartwright, English common law has pagan origins. Your misstatement of Jefferson's religious beliefs (which don't really qualify as Christian given his rejection of the divinity of Jesus) doesn't even address the source of the USA's founding principles:

The US Constitution and

English common law.

Thx 4 the video :-)

[elmoboy86]

pwned.