As someone who has built and played a similar instrument, there definitely a difference in how "canned" drums (recorded samples) and real drums sound. Not only that, but the difference in the feeling of how one plays is significant. Choosing the right canned sounds is important! Plus how the drums are mixed, both in the machine and mixed.
Futureman is a vastly underated drummer- he plays "regular" too. Just listen to his talent - he didn't get to be in the Flecktones if he wasn't great!
I don't want to be killed but I really don't like Futureman very much and I almost cannot stand his drumitar. . . I really dislike electronic, pre-canned drums! How can everything and I mean EVERYTHING about their music be so perfect and they allow that third rate excuse for percussion? O.K., I said my piece, now let the flaming begin. . . .
@TheRjjrjjr Truthfully, I wouldn't call him a "third rate excuse for a percussionist". That being said, I'm not a huge fan, myself.. I think that he's incredibly talented, I just think that he over-does-it sometimes. Sometimes his staccato, offbeat style takes away from the flow of the song, for me.
@sheabags1 Well, because of your reply I did listen more critically to a number of songs and I did find a couple in which he actually did a fair job. I will say that they were quite a bit older than the songs I have been listening to. I don't know why but Future Man seemed to get worse as the years went on. I will admit to being too harsh in my original post. I know that Bela Fleck doesn't like anything conventional so Future Man seems to fit that motif but I simply do not like looped drums.
@TheRjjrjjr Check out some Benevento/Russo Duo. Joe Russo does some amazing live looping, he just has a different style Futureman.. Gotta agree with your take on Bela's unconventional approach.
@sheabags1 Hey, I checked out several of their songs and they are quite good! I did notice the keyboard doing some live loops and he did it well. That is the kind of looping I really like. I guess thats how they make such a full sound! I really enjoyed them, thanks for the heads up!
Playing is not the same as theory you just got feel it hear it and respond everyone has it. First find where the melody is going and the root notes and hear it from there. I could show you chords all day but if you don't listen to them and I mean really hear them there is no point. That's why a good teacher tells you more scales you don't know your instrument enough is cause you don't you already hear the music so get used to your instruments and play intentionally what you hear. Then it is
Great band and musicians. You have to be born with it. I could shoot 1,000 free throws a day till the cows come home. Might improve somewhat, but, would still be a crappy free throw shooter. Just my 2 cents.
Well son you have to what your doing wrong. You could try all day but if you don't improve something whats the point. My band teachers told the class when i was in school that i would eventually be better than the first chairs cause I knew what was happening. and that i could hear the music in my head and noticed a pattern. I think it has to do more with short attentions and or the way people try. MAKE IT SOUND GOOD JUST DO IT SHUT UP MAKE IT SOUND GOOD AND IT WILL!
My theory is that the people who actually become good musicians have a LOVE for music. Most of the kids these days learn an instrument just because it's cool. I have been playing guitar for almost 10 years now and I remember when all I could play was Smoke on the Water. I saw many kids growing up never get past that, but I love what I do and my talent continued to grow to where it is now.
that's why everyone wants to play with Vic. he doesn't just play the bass he plays music, he lives and breathes music and it shows in every performance he does.
why do you deny that innate talent is no factor? that would mean that anyone and everyone who practiced hard for twenty years would play with the same virtuosity as Bela. You must also feel that your claim would also apply to John McLougthlan, Vanclyborne, Lionnel Hampton, Miles Davis. If your theory is correct Willie Mosconi, Micheal Jordan, Einstein, Stephen Hawking, Tiger Woods, Fred Astaire, Elvis etc. etc. etc. achieved the levels they attained simply through practice! Maybe you are wrong!
Nope, that's exactly what I mean. all those people became that way through diligent practice. Of course some people have a more natural affinity towards learning those things and retaining them in their muscle memory, and THAT is what people usually refer to as "talent", but for the most part, all things considered, it's work.
wrong again. Diligent practice does not result in Michael Jordan . Many , many , many people have put in the same or more diligent practice as MJ. The fact that he was head and shoulders above these people can only be the "innate talent" theory. I guarantee you that you would't be on Bela Fleck"s level after 20 years of practice. Earl Flatts wasn't anywhere as good as Bela after 50 years of practice. Stop wasting our time please.
Look man, there's no way to prove either of our opinions, it's only a personal subjective thing. So please don't insult me by flat out stating that I'm wrong, I was merely offering my view, just as you were offering yours. Both of our opinions are equally valid. And I also don't think arguing relentlessly over YouTube really does much to prove otherwise.
All I request is that you assert that you would, after twenty one years of practice, outshine Bela Fleck on Banjo. Of course you could practice writing for 12 years and make Shakesphere look like a hack...Right?
I'm not saying innate talent doesn't exist. I'm saying I think Bela had to work at it to get that good. He said in an interview that he used to skip school to play the banjo. I believe he became as good as he did because he put in so much productive practice. Give that same banjo to a 13-yr-old Bela and he couldn't do a thing with it, he didn't even know how they were tuned. After years of practice, he's a virtuoso. It wasn't sudden.
obviously no one becomes great at anything without dedicated practice for many years. It is also ovbious that not just ANYONE or EVERYONE will reach the dizzing heights of of a Bela Fleck or Itsak Perlman simply through years of practice.If that were true there would be hundreds of such people each generation reaching those levels on every instrument. Enough said.
you should read a book called Poetics Of Music of Stravinsky. It has an awesome conversation between Belini and Beethoven about that subject. Quoting: "Beethoven amassed a patrimony for music that seems to be solely the result of obstinate labor. Bellini inherited melody without even so much as asking for it as if Heaven said: "I shall give you the one thing Beethoven lacks." " I found this profoundly interesting....
Dude, he just said that he's not saying that innate talent doesn't exist. Just enjoy the bloody video, and how good they are, regardless of how they got there.
PS: It's Earl Scruggs, not Flatt. That's Lester Flatt, who worked with Earl of Flatt & Scruggs.
Thanks for correcting me. I had the same question in my mind after I hit the Post comment button. I admitted that the "practice" element is correct but my adversy fails the logic test when he asserts that "the gift of genius" is a myth. I think my examples regarding the top level of performance are obvous and speak for themselves. On this I will not concede! Real appreciation must contain the element of awe just as "faith" and spirtuality is the only expaination after the obvious is observed
Sorry for my late reply. Anyway, I do know it for a fact. They say so in the little booklet that comes with the Live Art CD. They've been playing this tune since 1988, but they never really got it recorded with the Flecktones until it was released in Live Art.
It would be awesome is someone could post a video of the performance that they actually put on the Live Art album! I know that won't happen, but it would be really cool! Victor Wooten is an awesome fretless player!
Kick Ass Amazin'!
nomobius1 1 month ago
genial D:
bender121212 1 month ago
This is incredible!
CrankUpTheAmps 11 months ago
GOT DAYYUMMM!!
RobZiak 11 months ago
look at wooten showin off his bass skillz at 2:00
zethryus 1 year ago
As someone who has built and played a similar instrument, there definitely a difference in how "canned" drums (recorded samples) and real drums sound. Not only that, but the difference in the feeling of how one plays is significant. Choosing the right canned sounds is important! Plus how the drums are mixed, both in the machine and mixed.
Futureman is a vastly underated drummer- he plays "regular" too. Just listen to his talent - he didn't get to be in the Flecktones if he wasn't great!
MrDrumMan09 1 year ago
I don't want to be killed but I really don't like Futureman very much and I almost cannot stand his drumitar. . . I really dislike electronic, pre-canned drums! How can everything and I mean EVERYTHING about their music be so perfect and they allow that third rate excuse for percussion? O.K., I said my piece, now let the flaming begin. . . .
TheRjjrjjr 1 year ago
@TheRjjrjjr Truthfully, I wouldn't call him a "third rate excuse for a percussionist". That being said, I'm not a huge fan, myself.. I think that he's incredibly talented, I just think that he over-does-it sometimes. Sometimes his staccato, offbeat style takes away from the flow of the song, for me.
sheabags1 11 months ago
@sheabags1 Well, because of your reply I did listen more critically to a number of songs and I did find a couple in which he actually did a fair job. I will say that they were quite a bit older than the songs I have been listening to. I don't know why but Future Man seemed to get worse as the years went on. I will admit to being too harsh in my original post. I know that Bela Fleck doesn't like anything conventional so Future Man seems to fit that motif but I simply do not like looped drums.
TheRjjrjjr 10 months ago
@TheRjjrjjr Check out some Benevento/Russo Duo. Joe Russo does some amazing live looping, he just has a different style Futureman.. Gotta agree with your take on Bela's unconventional approach.
sheabags1 10 months ago
@sheabags1 Hey, I checked out several of their songs and they are quite good! I did notice the keyboard doing some live loops and he did it well. That is the kind of looping I really like. I guess thats how they make such a full sound! I really enjoyed them, thanks for the heads up!
TheRjjrjjr 10 months ago
Very funky but I think I prefer the Strength in Numbers version from the Telluride Sessions. LOL I'm dying for someone to upload it.
Marixpress2 1 year ago
Doesn't sound quite right without the Organ from the Live art version. Still one of the bests tunes ever written though.
subgerocallidus 1 year ago
Misaotra é! superbe, une belle équipe,robinet de feeling!!!!
mahita58 1 year ago
Progressive rock/jazz Irish Reggae banjo? I love it!
IndianaJesusfreak 1 year ago 4
that was tasty
29larlar 1 year ago 2
What's the difference between a banjo and a hand grenade?
There is no difference! When you hear it, it's too late!
Just joking! That's good music!
westfalianalien 1 year ago 4
What the hell is playng the guy on the right? Is it an astro-guitar?
Bdimorso 1 year ago
synth axe drumitar
saladstassio 1 year ago
idea of what people think is pleasant
SaxmanNateEarthsong 2 years ago
Playing is not the same as theory you just got feel it hear it and respond everyone has it. First find where the melody is going and the root notes and hear it from there. I could show you chords all day but if you don't listen to them and I mean really hear them there is no point. That's why a good teacher tells you more scales you don't know your instrument enough is cause you don't you already hear the music so get used to your instruments and play intentionally what you hear. Then it is
SaxmanNateEarthsong 2 years ago
Great band and musicians. You have to be born with it. I could shoot 1,000 free throws a day till the cows come home. Might improve somewhat, but, would still be a crappy free throw shooter. Just my 2 cents.
skullkap1 2 years ago
Well son you have to what your doing wrong. You could try all day but if you don't improve something whats the point. My band teachers told the class when i was in school that i would eventually be better than the first chairs cause I knew what was happening. and that i could hear the music in my head and noticed a pattern. I think it has to do more with short attentions and or the way people try. MAKE IT SOUND GOOD JUST DO IT SHUT UP MAKE IT SOUND GOOD AND IT WILL!
SaxmanNateEarthsong 2 years ago
My theory is that the people who actually become good musicians have a LOVE for music. Most of the kids these days learn an instrument just because it's cool. I have been playing guitar for almost 10 years now and I remember when all I could play was Smoke on the Water. I saw many kids growing up never get past that, but I love what I do and my talent continued to grow to where it is now.
fangjangler 2 years ago
Sorry I meant Know what your doing wrong.
SaxmanNateEarthsong 2 years ago
and to think this was 1993, 16 years
ago. amazing!!! PEACE
bikerbutterfly 2 years ago
lol people arguing on youtube
man this is good music still . duno how u lot find the time for squabbles with this beauteous stuff on
tieseantie 2 years ago
right on
akgrizzly2006 2 years ago
dread lochs ahahahahah
BradSandoval 2 years ago
Three comments in a row! Alright! Anyway, lol at 4:30. Vic looks like he's high.
RobertELee01 2 years ago
hahaha lochs of dread. creative
CooleyCoolenson 2 years ago 2
thats an elrick right?
BossBassist 2 years ago
oooouuuuhhhhh yeeeeeeaaaa
EsaulZED 2 years ago
Vics so amazing. He can do the most mind-blowing solos and then just kick back and feel a smooth bassline like nobody else.
Romans10Verse9 2 years ago 4
that's why we love him :)
petar1987 2 years ago
that's why everyone wants to play with Vic. he doesn't just play the bass he plays music, he lives and breathes music and it shows in every performance he does.
SlickSmooth22 2 years ago
But that's nothing to do with natural talent, it's because at this point he had worked on a specific skillset for about 20 years.
Spudbass 2 years ago
why do you deny that innate talent is no factor? that would mean that anyone and everyone who practiced hard for twenty years would play with the same virtuosity as Bela. You must also feel that your claim would also apply to John McLougthlan, Vanclyborne, Lionnel Hampton, Miles Davis. If your theory is correct Willie Mosconi, Micheal Jordan, Einstein, Stephen Hawking, Tiger Woods, Fred Astaire, Elvis etc. etc. etc. achieved the levels they attained simply through practice! Maybe you are wrong!
smock66 2 years ago
Nope, that's exactly what I mean. all those people became that way through diligent practice. Of course some people have a more natural affinity towards learning those things and retaining them in their muscle memory, and THAT is what people usually refer to as "talent", but for the most part, all things considered, it's work.
Spudbass 2 years ago
wrong again. Diligent practice does not result in Michael Jordan . Many , many , many people have put in the same or more diligent practice as MJ. The fact that he was head and shoulders above these people can only be the "innate talent" theory. I guarantee you that you would't be on Bela Fleck"s level after 20 years of practice. Earl Flatts wasn't anywhere as good as Bela after 50 years of practice. Stop wasting our time please.
smock66 2 years ago
Look man, there's no way to prove either of our opinions, it's only a personal subjective thing. So please don't insult me by flat out stating that I'm wrong, I was merely offering my view, just as you were offering yours. Both of our opinions are equally valid. And I also don't think arguing relentlessly over YouTube really does much to prove otherwise.
Spudbass 2 years ago
All I request is that you assert that you would, after twenty one years of practice, outshine Bela Fleck on Banjo. Of course you could practice writing for 12 years and make Shakesphere look like a hack...Right?
smock66 2 years ago
I'm not saying innate talent doesn't exist. I'm saying I think Bela had to work at it to get that good. He said in an interview that he used to skip school to play the banjo. I believe he became as good as he did because he put in so much productive practice. Give that same banjo to a 13-yr-old Bela and he couldn't do a thing with it, he didn't even know how they were tuned. After years of practice, he's a virtuoso. It wasn't sudden.
Spudbass 2 years ago
obviously no one becomes great at anything without dedicated practice for many years. It is also ovbious that not just ANYONE or EVERYONE will reach the dizzing heights of of a Bela Fleck or Itsak Perlman simply through years of practice.If that were true there would be hundreds of such people each generation reaching those levels on every instrument. Enough said.
smock66 2 years ago
you should read a book called Poetics Of Music of Stravinsky. It has an awesome conversation between Belini and Beethoven about that subject. Quoting: "Beethoven amassed a patrimony for music that seems to be solely the result of obstinate labor. Bellini inherited melody without even so much as asking for it as if Heaven said: "I shall give you the one thing Beethoven lacks." " I found this profoundly interesting....
fmachadomaia 2 years ago
sorry about the mistake: the book is called Poetics Of Music and it's by Stravinsky, not "of"...
fmachadomaia 2 years ago
Dude, he just said that he's not saying that innate talent doesn't exist. Just enjoy the bloody video, and how good they are, regardless of how they got there.
PS: It's Earl Scruggs, not Flatt. That's Lester Flatt, who worked with Earl of Flatt & Scruggs.
RobertELee01 2 years ago
Thanks for correcting me. I had the same question in my mind after I hit the Post comment button. I admitted that the "practice" element is correct but my adversy fails the logic test when he asserts that "the gift of genius" is a myth. I think my examples regarding the top level of performance are obvous and speak for themselves. On this I will not concede! Real appreciation must contain the element of awe just as "faith" and spirtuality is the only expaination after the obvious is observed
smock66 2 years ago
LOVE this song on the Telluride Sessions with Strength in Numbers
sunshinegrl1997 2 years ago
fiquei de pau duro caralho
canindemoral 3 years ago
omae
baka!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ガッデムwwwww
flexibility77 3 years ago
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flexibility77 3 years ago
I also wish Live Art was on video. It is my favorite Flecktone's recording. So many incredible guests and AWESOME versions of their songs.
Sote9108 3 years ago 2
musical orgasm at 4:08...
vodkaman696911 3 years ago
these guys are great
Atrain1828 3 years ago
Does anybody know where that part at 1:35 is from??
msternon 3 years ago
I think is from "Celtic Medley"......I dunno it sounds pretty like it :)
Jaime1591 3 years ago
It's just a part of "Lochs of Dread" the song is basically about a Rasta dude who has a nightmare about Scotland. Hence the name.
RobertELee01 2 years ago
are you just making that up or you know it for a fact?
Anonym48486 2 years ago
Sorry for my late reply. Anyway, I do know it for a fact. They say so in the little booklet that comes with the Live Art CD. They've been playing this tune since 1988, but they never really got it recorded with the Flecktones until it was released in Live Art.
RobertELee01 2 years ago
It would be awesome is someone could post a video of the performance that they actually put on the Live Art album! I know that won't happen, but it would be really cool! Victor Wooten is an awesome fretless player!
jacofan12609 3 years ago
Actually, they have the "Flying Saucer Dudes" video here on youtube. I can assure you, it's the same one from Live Art.
RobertELee01 2 years ago
I wanna play as good as Bela. GOD, PLEASE HELP ME!!!
giggleblaggle 3 years ago 5
These guys are absolutely incredible. When they jam, they really jam.
progressiverockfan08 3 years ago 6
sweeeet
knockout1290 3 years ago 6
victor wooten - amazing
arnoldlayne1991 3 years ago 17
every 1 who plays or played in flecktones is amazing
SepaXP 3 years ago 28
this is great
kiwiteepee 3 years ago 7