President George W. Bush Visits Yad Vashem

[1mcysu]

dude very touching.mcysu1

[ashshafa]

PRESEDENT BUSH IS MAGNIFISENT GREAT FRIEND OF ISRAEL A TRUE CHRISTIAN AND STUDENT OF BIBLE...THE BOND BETWEEN UNITED STATE AND ISRAEL IS GREAT BOND ...DEMOCRACY ROLLS

[carsophieify]

@ashshafa I Think like YOU!

[sherazanwar]

Our JHV GOD Bless ISrael.God Bless JEWS.

Love for all jews. A Pakistani Christian

[hans421]

Why do they still officially speak of six million when the Auschwitz Monument was changed in 1989 from 4 million to 1,1 million, because KGB opened its files? That means that if a meeting like this was held in, lets say 1985, they would have spoken of NINE million. Maybe it is possible that these fine gentlemen can't do a simple calculation.

[MerkavahmkIV]

Israel has the upper hand. Israel has proven that terrorism doesn't really work, and that democracy can survive through it.

No democratic, free nation can give in to terror and still claim freedom. Why should Israel give the terrorists what they want?

Answer: Israel could NEVER give away enough land to secure its peace. The terrorists don't want peace, they only want the destruction of Israel. It is their stated goal, so talks of peace are futile, and silly.

[tanctanc]

Thinking in categories of bad and good as simple as terroists vs, Israel is so terribly absurd - the terrorists are the extremists both palestinian and Israeli at the end of the day innocent people die, because of some haters in the governmental ranks of the two countries. What Israel does to so many Palestinians is atrocious, and it is as good as Nazism. As concerns for Hamas killing innocnet Israelis, it is atrocity as well.

[ff8123]

Isn't the labor party's mantra more or less equal to my own?

[MerkavahmkIV]

Probably... I'm not sure, really.

Look, the bottom line here is that, while peace would be a very nice thing, most Palestinians (and Arabs in general) do not want peace. Not with Israel. Not ever. They fillabuster about it from time to time, but it's never genuine.

Maybe 30 years ago Israel would have been capable of reaching some accord with its enemies, but not now. Too much bad blood and mistrust.

Why should Israel give them anything, if they are going to use terrorism?

[MerkavahmkIV]

I'm sure the rubber bullets did kill someone... But my point was that at least we TRY to not kill them if we can help it. And if we do injure them we try to save their lives (so they can be put on trial in the case of terrorism.)

They do not do any of that. They have 1 objective: The "destruction of the State of Israel."

That is found in both the charters of Hamas and Hezbollah. Hamas was elected by the Palestinians to represent them. They are dedicated to our destruction.

[ff8123]

Yes. You make a good point. You IDF is TRYING not to kill them, except for when they violate their own rules and regulations.

I don't think they hate Israel because of it being a Jewish state. I think they hate it because of the negative experiences they have had with it over the years. I know they started this conflict, but the way Israel has dealt with it seems to invite further barbarism.

Treat them like animals and they will act like animals. What about Israel's labor party?

[arcillaroja]

Ye shall know them by their fruits.

Matthew 7:16

[MerkavahmkIV]

I truly belive that. Israel would not allow genocide to go on in the world. We are extra sensitive to that.

If we didn't have to worry about Hezbollah, Hamas, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi, Pakistan, and Iran; we would send the IDF to Darfour. We would stop that genocide, and save those people.

Why? Because we are good people. We believe in personal freedoms, and Democracy. And we feel badly for ANYONE that is targeted and slaughtered systematically for being different.

[ff8123]

I know yiou are good people. Jewish citizens are not on trial here, I'm just saying that yyou are underestimating a few things.

1. the frequency of the IDF "massacres"

2. how much cobntrol Israel has over every aspect of Palestinian lives

"Palestinians are thje most terroriszed people in the world" - US attorney general Ramsey Clark/

[MerkavahmkIV]

What constitutes a massacre? To me that word describes a systematic killing of hundreds, if not thousands of people... Death pits and mass graves.

I do not believe Israel does that.

Yes, we strictly control their lives. But if we did not, the amount of terrorist attacks would increase by almost 100%. So what are we to do?

What would you do if you were the Prime Minister of Israel?

And then, if you initial plans did not work, what would you turn to? How would you solve the problem?

[MerkavahmkIV]

I am sorry, but you cannot compare us to the Nazis. It is unfair, inaccurate, and cruel.

We do NOT do things like they did. We are NOT trying to exterminate all the Arabs, or even any of them. We just want to be left alone in our tiny country. That is all.

We are NOT expansionistic. We don't try to convert people to Judaism. We don't want to bother anyone else.

And if Israel did not have to worry about the surrounding Arabs, they would go into places like Darfour to STOP the genocide.

[ff8123]

had NO fear of getting prosecuted whatsoever. And they never were!

Also, of you look at some photos the nazi's took, youd see some of their soldiers smiling in pictures of starving inmates of a camp.

The military had no fear that their actions would come back to haunt them by some form of authority.

[MerkavahmkIV]

No. Isolated incidents of bad things do happen, but the I.D.F. DOES prosecute soldiers that commit crimes like that.

And that crowd of Palestinians? I can tell you that there was a weapon (at least one) in that crowd. Soemone had a grenade, or IED, or AK, and just because you didn't see it, does not mean it was not there.

You are complaining about our misuse of RUBBER bullets? Are you serious? The LA sherriff's office (and Oakland PD) would both be guilty of serious crimes by your logic.

[ff8123]

The rubber bullets killed someone.

There were no weapons in the crowd. They were trying to AVOID the soldiers. Not attack them. They were demonstrating inside their OWN TOWN, the soldiers could have gone home. Nothig

Were they gonna bvomb their own houses? There were no jews around. No targets.

[ff8123]

ambulance for the man they shot in the head with a rubber bullet, at an illegal distance of less than 10 meters.

They did not seem in the least bit concerned thaat they would be punished for breaking their OWN rules of engagement.

So that implies to me the IDF has an innate culture to it that needs changing, that breaking the rules is okay.

Sort of like how if you look at pictures of lynchings, the whole town would take group photos of them all smiling and being happy, because they had NO

[MerkavahmkIV]

At least we try to use the "less than lethal" stuff... Do you see the terrorists using rubber bullets and sandbags?

And we normally provide medical attention to wounded Arabs. I can't speak to that one incident you are refrring to, but we do provide medical care for terrorists that have been wounded. They don't do that for us either.

18 year old Israeli kids sometimes loose their cool. But if it is caught, it is punished. Always. They are just kids!

[MerkavahmkIV]

Do you think Hezbollah, or Hamas have "court-marshalls" for conduct unbecoming? They don't.

We have a lot of female Israeli soldiers... Very attractive women.

Do you realize what the terrorists would do to them, if they came across them in a war situation? There would be MASS rapings.

Yes, occassionally an Israeli soldier commits rape. But actually, it is far more common that an Iraeli soldier rapes another Israeli soldier, not a Palestinian.

It is ALWAYS severely punished. Jail time.

[ff8123]

You're saying the Israeli government prosecutes soldiers for breaking rules of engagement?

I was under the impression the IDF had no rules of engagement. I just cannot understand for the life of me why they fire on peaceful demonstrators and the like, even if they are protesting in their OWN village!

They're surrounded by fellow palestinians and there's no targets around. I've seen on youtube the military calling a demonstration "illegal" and firing into the crowd, and then refusing to call an

[MerkavahmkIV]

Most of the Israeli army are 18 year old kids. They get drafted right out of highschool. Most of them would rather not be in the army; they would rather be at college getting drunk and chasing girls.

But they can't. Why? Because if they did we would be overrun and slaughtered. They are denied a normal, happy teen life because of the Arabs and what they do.

Can you blame some of them for being resentful? I don't. (But I got that normal teen life and the college experience.)

[MerkavahmkIV]

It is as much a PR battle as an actual fight.

They always have the cameras ready, and actually provoke retaliation on their own people just to get the "money shot" of some Israeli soldier that has been frightened and pushed beyond normal conditions. In those situations yes, bad things happen.

But they are punished. The I.D.F. has courts, you know... there is such a thing as an Israeli "court-marshall".

The terrorists celebrate atrocities, while we mourn them.

[MerkavahmkIV]

Israel is basically the 51st state. It is so westernized, so modern. As an American it's a nice place to visit... Civilization in the middle of the desert.

They [Arabs] are NOT like us. (For the most part.) They reject our modern society in favor of a 14th century version of things. They hate social liberty and/or personal freedom. They reject scientific advancement. They reject and hate the West!

They would kill you for being an American just as they would me for being a Jew, and American

[ff8123]

Well i feel a need to point out, Arabic is a language and not a people.

Only the extremists want to wipe out ALL jews. For example, many muslims had a candlelight vigil in front of the US embassy on 9-11.

I realize how barbaric they are, but they are terrorists. Terrorists are supposed to be barbaric. Soldiers aren't!

I know how western Israel is. But the one thing not western about Israel is the way their military acts. I've seen the vids on youtube of them opening fire on unarmed crowds.

[MerkavahmkIV]

No no dude. Most Arabs want to see Israel destroyed, and most also want to see ALL Jews (and Christians) either convert to Islam, or die.

You have never really been and seen this stuff, you only watch YouTube videos and the news.

You can't just excuse them because they are "terrorists" and supposed to be barbaric. And if you are going to excuse them from their barbarism, at least look the other way when we do it too.

And we dont do it NEARLY as much. Kids like me are Israeli soldiers.

[ff8123]

There are more israeli military than palestinian terrorists. If not then israel would be bruned to the bground by suiicide bombings no?

Unifmorms are not supposed to commit barbaric acts. Unofrmed men and women are legit. they enforce policy

Terrorists are not acting in interests of a giovernment

crazy people do crazy things

[MerkavahmkIV]

Yes, if you count ONLY the Palestinian terrorists, there are more of us.

But almost all Arabs in the region are hostile towards us... There are FAR more of them than us. Hezbollah in Lebanon, Hamas in our own country, and the neighboring armies. They all fight against us, and have non-stop for 60 years now.

Can you blame us for loosing our cool? After 60 years of non-stop terrorism and war?

And incidents of Israeli barbarism are infrequent, however a lot of media attention is drawn.

[MerkavahmkIV]

They inflict that stuff on their OWN people for crying out loud! I'm sure you've seen the videos of what life is like in Tehran, Saudi City, and even certain parts of Beirut?

They treat their women (generally) as if they were property. They beat them, remove parts of their sexual anatomy, and practically rape them continuously. (Forcing your "wife" to have sex when she does not want to is still, in my opinion, rape.)

By the way, Israelis grill hot-dogs/burgers too, not just U.S. Jews.

[MerkavahmkIV]

They do terrible things all the time. Beheadings, grotesque forms of torture (cutting, etc)... Things we DONT do.

Yes, Israel uses water-boarding, shaking, sleep deprivation, and other forms of mild torture or "forcive coercion." Most western nations do some form of this... You have to these days, no one likes it, but you just have to.

We don't cut, pull out fingernails, or chop off heads...

And if the Arabs ever did manage to conquer Israel, we would ALL loose our heads. No p.o.w.

[ff8123]

In fact IG Farben, which got all its funding from Prescott Bush is the company contracted to build the concentration camps that were used to attempt genocide on your people.

And yes, I think its ok for me to say 'your people' right?

So it greatly saddens me to see a jew giving Bush any praise when his family fortune was built on Anti-Semitic interests.

I like a good ironic laugh as much as anyone but... damn that's just morbid.

[MerkavahmkIV]

Hillary committed political suicide with that Kennedy reference. My dreams are dashed...

Yes, you can say "your people", that's okay.

I have heard a little about the Bush family and all of that... But that was then. I can't condemn the whole family for the actions of certain members of a previous generation.

Bush is okay with regard to foriegn policy and Israel. That's all I'm saying.

Anyway, back to the Arabs:

Do you not realize that there is far more "barbarism" on their side?

[MerkavahmkIV]

And by the way, on the topic of this video: (since we haven't really been talking much about it)

I didn't vote for Bush, but now I sort of wish I had. (I went with Kerry.) Even though my opinions generally differ from the policies and views of the Republican party; you cannot deny that Bush has been one of the greatest friends the Jewish people and the State of Israel have ever had.

G-d I hope Obama looses... Go Hill-Dawg!

(I'm sure you're an Obama fan, "ff8123".) :)

[ff8123]

No. Was a Ron Paul fan. Barack Obama and McCain will serve the same nonsense corporate interests we are both drowning in.

But anyway, let me just say again, I have nothing against jews. I also don't think religion should play any role in politics.

What had Bush done for the jews?... You ARE aware his grandfather, Prescott Bush was buddy buddy with the nazis and aided them in.

Research IG Farben. The Bush family was VERY highly involved in the concentration camps and financing the nazis (camps

[ff8123]

Why dont u do some research to find that there is barbarism on both sides.

Your ON youtube. Watch some videos. Its all there. I just finished watching a documentary on Israeli military bulldozing a man's farm for no reason other than they wanted him off the land. Soldiers using children as human shields, beating women.

Honestly the treatment looked very Nazi like. The only difference is they don't have camps.

You're American, Don't you understand people are born with rights?

[ff8123]

say we just because they are jewish and u are jewish is quite disgusting.

You're going to act as if ur one of the israelis just because u share a belief system

That is fanaticism.

[MerkavahmkIV]

No. I am a Jewish-American. Israel is important for ALL of us. All Jewish-Americans want Israel to exist, and actively support the State.

I am moving to Israel June 15th.

Even the most conservative members of our faith PALE IN COMPARISON to the fanaticism found within Islam. Have you ever been to a Hassidic holiday? Probably not. Well, it's basically the same as an American holiday. Yes, there is some Torah read, but also hot-dogs (hebrew nationals) on the grill, guitar playing, etc.

[scoobiduby]

israel has to give the golan hight back to syria.

it does not belong to them.

and they stole ground from the palestinians.

israel is zionists. palestinians already lived there before israel.

israel herases palestinians. they should defend themselves from the jewdogs.

jezus christ was a palestinian

[ff8123]

Okay, hopefully now you have some insight as to how the international community perceives Israel's actions.

I would NOT be surprised to see Israel building Labor camps someday.

Attoryney General Ramsey Clark - Every aspect of palestinians lives' are controlled by the Israeli government. They are the most terrorized people in the world.

Isn't ANYONE in your country a member of the labor party anymore???

Your military kills too many innocents. Your government has been internationally condemned.

[MerkavahmkIV]

You are just a kid from the U.S. who has never been outside of the States. Have you ever been to Israel?

Until you have, you cannot possibly try to speak to these issues, at least not with any credibility.

Stop repeating things you have heard on the news, and go and take a look for yourself.

Israel is basically the 51st state. We are civillized. We have freedom of religion, freedom of the press, freedom period.

They are anti all of that. And most of them hate the U.S. as well.

[ff8123]

Never been to Israel, but have been outside the states, but with modern tech, that's irrelevant.

heard on the news are u kidding me? The news never says anything iv told u here. But I implore u tyo look around on youtube at some of the videos of israeli soldiers using muslim CHILDREN as human shields, and bulldozing entire towns.

Why did you say "we" if u r american?

Fanaticism much?

I beleieve you, Im not calling you a liar. If u say ur american, ur amaerica, but the fact u say we

[MerkavahmkIV]

Yeah, I was born in San Francisco at Children's Hospital... That American enough for you?

If you call Israel a terrorist state, you must also feel the U.S. is a terrorist state? Israel does the same thing (as has for 60 years) that the U.S. army is now learning to do in Iraq... After the U.S. is in Iraq for 60 years, I'll wager the differences in behavior between the Israeli and US armies will disappear.

Israel is the U.S. greatest ally in the middle-east. You are talking treason, sir.

[ff8123]

1. It is not possible to "talk" treason. Treason must be committed.

2. The US military is indeed killing millions if iraqi civillians all the time, however such things happen in war.

Israel is not fighting a war. Israel is policing unruly citizens, by bombing hospitals towns and wells for economic interest.

The only reaason Israel is USA's ally is because USA gives Israel their a $2 billion per year budget to make war, produce weapons and buy weapons from USA.

Fuck your treason assertion.

[ff8123]

Let me know when ISrael build their concentration camps.

What I wanna know is, what will the arabs do there now that everything is manufactured in China???

They certainly won't build anything like the Jews did in German concentration camps. So what will they do there?

Dig holes maybe?

[MerkavahmkIV]

That "concentration camp" thing is just a sick, cruel thing to say to a Jewish person. Have you no heart? What if I had family that died in one of those places? How am I supposed to feel now?

The Palestinians are fighting a war against us. Just because you can't tell the difference between civillian and combatant doesn't mean it's not a war. (And with the Palestinians, there is an extremely fine line between civillian and combatant.)

[ff8123]

If you had family that died in a camp then YOU of all people should see the importance that INNOCENT PEOPLE ARE NEVER PUNISHED!

By the way, when we put the Nazi's on trial, the first thing they said was "these things happen in War.

And when crazy american politicians (patrick buchanon) who claim "the holocaust didn't happen" the FIRST thing they say is " those things happened in warfare."

Its gonna happen again, but not to the Jews. Israel would build camps if not for threat of retaliation.

[MerkavahmkIV]

No we would not. You are wrong, just plain wrong. We would NEVER systematically murder millions... Never. Are you serious, or just trying to make me upset?

I don't care what the Nazis said.

Israel has the power to wipe out most Muslim countries... But do we? No. Have we ever tried to conquer another country? No.

They have invaded us and killed us for 60 years, and still we restrain ourselves. We could have burned all Lebanon to the ground, but did we? No.

[MerkavahmkIV]

1. Treasonus statements can be made... and punished. I was only using a colorful word; your statements don't quite qualify as treason.

2. "Such things happen in war." You said it yourself. Israel IS fighting a war, and has been for 60 years. Three major foriegn invasions, as well as organized, well equipped terrorism from within its own borders.

You think all they have are rocks to throw?

They are using top of the line anti-tank missiles. AK-47, RPG, mines, etc.

[ff8123]

Stop with your "im an american" proclamations.

I assumed you were Israeli because you keep saying "we" in reference to Israel. Proper grammar therefore dictates you are Israeli.

If u say you're american, OK I BELIEVE YOU.

And i am NOT amazed to see that you as a jewish American eat hot dogs and live a completely normal life as an American.

You are not "schooling" me on how normal Jews are. I KNOW Jews are normal people. Its just a faith like any other. Being jewish doesnt make u stand out

[MerkavahmkIV]

Actually, Jesus was a Jew. No one contradicts that. (Apparently except bitter Arabs.)

"Palestinians" did NOT exist in the time of Jesus. Jesus lived in Israel. (As it was called Israel back then.)

You are a nut-bar.

[ff8123]

I never said jesus wasnt a jew. I didnt even address that fact. Why r u brining it up? its completely irrelevant.

who cares what some poor old carpenter believed, Im talking about the murder of helpless palestinians.

[MerkavahmkIV]

In most Arab countries they teach their children this, and even before they are old enough to understand the current situation. They teach them first to simply hate us for being Jews, and then later reinforce that blind hatred with hatred of the State of Israel.

Not all Muslims do this, yes I understand that. But a great many do.

We are outnumbered 60 to 1. We cannot afford to always play nice, or we would have lost a long time ago.

They say they want to commit genocide.

[ff8123]

Yes, I UNDERSTAND how crazy and how MANY muslim extreemists there are.

That is not a reason to DROP BOMBS ON CIVILLIANS!or use HUMAN SHIELDS, or BOMB HOSPITALS!

And if your government stopped bombing hospitals and schools they'd create less terrorists!

Isn't ANYONE in Israel a member of the labor party? Since Sharon was elected, you've seen an increase NOT a decrease in attacks and violence on both sides.

Your nation's Labor party" was on a path to success in peace talks with the PLO.

[MerkavahmkIV]

We are outnumbered and surrounded by them! We cannot afford to always play by strict "rules of war", whatever that means.

And those things you are talking about SELDOM happen, especially the rape and "human shield" stuff. Sure, it does happen, but it happens in ALL armies (especially the rape), and it is punished in the I.D.F. when people are caught doing it. It's the same with the U.S. army.

The Arabs are far more guilty of inhumane acts, human shields and the like. Far more guilty.

[MerkavahmkIV]

And when they store ammunition and house terrorists in those hospitals, what are we supposed to do?

We do not have a massive army. We cannot go house to house and seperate the terrorists from the non terrorists... We try damn hard to do that, but we simply cannot do it all the time.

Even the U.S. struggles with this. It is incredibally tough to do, and sorry if we are not perfect at it.

And those civillians all support the terrorists. They happily let them into their homes and schools.

[ff8123]

go into the hosiptals and remove it. Geez, u have the BEST commandos in the world! USE THEM!

I don't care how often the rape and murders happen, im saying to stop committing them because THEY ARE WRONG!

It starts with this, and will end up with camps. They will be the next hollocaust

[MerkavahmkIV]

Yeah, I'm telling you that we really try. But in the end, we are not keen to sacrafice, lets say, ten of our soldiers so that twenty-five palestinian civillians (who are in the way, and living amongst terrorists) can live. At some point you have to decide wheather your own people come first, or not.

We try to minimize civillian casualties. But sometimes (a lot of the time the way Hezbollah and Hamas fight) you simply can't avoid killing innocents.

Our lives are worth more to us than theirs

[ff8123]

Ya. And the lives of the aryan race were worth moer to Adolf than the kind of the Jews.

This nonsense has to stop. Your military has the best commandos in the world. Use them.

Bombing civvillians makes your military TERRORIST

[MerkavahmkIV]

You keep saying "just go there and remove it". That is easier said than done. And you expect zero civillian casualties along the way, which is unrealistic. You seem to hold Israel to a very high, idealistic standard. What you are asking for is impossible.

Why do the civillians allow the terrorists to live amongst them? Why do they give them aid, shelter, food, money, etc? Why? And doesn't that make them "combatants", and no longer innocent bystanders?

Their side is guilty of far more than we.

[ff8123]

Whatever your motives. That is genocide. Your government has no reason to bulldoze a water well. No reason to destory a [power plant.

Other than HATE.

Israel commits TERRORIST ACTS

[MerkavahmkIV]

No, we had EVERY reason to bomb that Syrian NUCLEAR REACTOR... Are you insane? Do you know what will happen if they get a nuke?

We hit the Osiraq reactor in Baghdad many years ago, and at first that drew condemnation from the world community, even the U.S.

Years later, everyone apologized to and thanked Israel for having done it. Because Saddam would have had nukes and that would have been very bad for a lot of Kurds, Iranians, Americans and Israelis.

We will continue to do that.

[MerkavahmkIV]

We are not committing genocide! We are not trying to kill all the Arabs, that would be genocide. We are outnumbered by them like 60 to 1. Genocide? What?

Did you know that terrorist groups provide money and even build new homes for the families of suicide bombers? We bulldoze those buildings. (Yes, the wells they build too.)

They WILL NOT PROFIT off of the death of our civillians. We are removing some of the incentive for their terrorism, we are taking away some of the rewards.

[ff8123]

lol. Ok. Yes that's justified, bulldoze water wells in a desert country. Wow you make sense.

Even if it's a well built by an organization wioth NO ties to terrorism.

You can't hold an entire "organization" responsible because ONE man in the group was a terrorist.

My own government is learning that the hard way now in Iraq, where we are bombing entire towns for no reason whatsoever aside from a continuing "shock and awe" to pacify anyone left there.

[MerkavahmkIV]

We can hold Hezbollah and Hamas responsible. Their charaters both call for the "destruction of Israel." It doesn't matter what they say or do, they claim to seek our absolute destruction, and so we will resist them.

I am an American dude. So, your government is also mine. And I have friends in the U.S. military, as well as the Israeli.

The U.S. military hold the IDF in the highest respect, as one of the most professional military organizations in the world.

[ff8123]

Ok. I have military friends too. Who cares? Israel is still a terrorist nation using their military to kill millions of innocents every year.

[MerkavahmkIV]

I'm sorry; you just don't understand our position. There are only 50 million Jews in the world, and 1 billion Mulsims who (for the most part) would like to see ALL of us killed.

Israel has only 7 million people. We are surrounded by 100+ million Arabs who are hostile and have invaded us many times. They live in our own country and terrorize us from within.

We cannot afford to risk anything. They are trying to kill ALL of us, and they do a good job of terrorizing us.

So we fight... Hard.

[MerkavahmkIV]

No. When they attack us you say "we brought it on ourselves."

When we attack them you say "we are a terrorist nation and barbaric."

You can't have it both ways, unless you are simply an anti-semite. (And you are.)

The barbarism is ALL on their side. We do not behead people, we do not use brutal forms of toture (cutting and the like), we do not intentionally target children.

And we are not committed to their destruction. They, however, have committed themselves to ours.

[ff8123]

There is proof of ur soldiers using their children as human shields, shooting palestinian children, beating them, raping their girls.

And u call all the barbarism on their siode???

Dont get me wrong, if u know where a terrorist is hiding, by ALL means go arrest him or shoot him. Im talking baout the INOCENTS Israel kills every day.

And the wells u bulldoze, and the hospitals u bomb and invading Lebannon.

if u shot my brother, id throw rocks too

[ff8123]

im not saying the suicide bombing are justified, however they were motivated by Israeli BARBARISM, not hate of your religion.

It was motivated by the fact that ur soldiers KILL INOCENT PEOPLE.

NOT because ur jewish

[MerkavahmkIV]

Yeah, I know not all of them are terrorists. But MOST of the palestinians who still live there support the terrorism, and virtually all Arabs worldwide would like to see Israel destroyed.

You forget that they fire rockets and mortars at us from their areas all the time. They kill us every chance they get. They kidnap soldiers, torture people in brutal ways, and continually send suicide bombers in to cause mass devastation.

What are we supposed to do with that? They will never stop.

[ff8123]

your government has brought this treatment upon you through their barbaric treatment of the palestinian people, which has been condemned by the entire UN with the United States being the only exception.

[ff8123]

Also, if u were reading what I said, I claimed they are treating them as bad as the Nazi's treated the jews BEFORE they started gassing them.

Israel commonly bombs civillian targets, destroys infrastructure, kills palestinian civillians by the thousands annually. And is imposing their rulership over land they do not have any legal stake over. Israel invaded lebannon and bombed their televised news infrastructure just to prevent images of the destruction from reaching the west.

Israel=Terrorist

[MerkavahmkIV]

"No legal stake over"???

The U.N. gave us that land. It was passed at a vote of 33 to 13 in favor of the partition of Palestine and the creation of a Jewish state. That is legal enough for me, and most people.

And we are the original owners of that land anyway. It's not like we had no connection to it before 1948. We were living as Jews in the Jewish State of Israel long before Mohammad was born, or Islam even existed.

[RASHAAD786]

FUK DA JEWS.......

[italianfile]

what is the name of the song on 4:46???

[Isidroprada]

They are simply liers , worshipers of Satan...

[jpbalkenende]

Bush talking about evil and god. It's amazing how much power this man has because partly thanks to him these words have lost a lot of meaning and credibility when a people like him say it (the world evil doesn't have any credibility anyway). If there was evil Bush's words would be ironic. If there was a god Bush proves that god doesn't really care about us.

[jpbalkenende]

When saying people like him I mean ALL conservative Christians who use evil and god as political tools. Which are a lot of them but lately these idiots have been humbled by their own utter failure and unintentional devastation.

[avide76]

everybody compare Shoah to Wars like in Irak or in Japan..

But the Shoah was not a war.. It was an organased indusrty to Keel masses of poeple..

I was in Iad Va Chem in Yeroushailim.. Before this experience, i think that I new ast everything about this part of the story, becaause i read books and saw Documentarys..

But there, it is like you are in the shoah..

It's heavy.. Unsupportable...

Make t same way in this museum.. And than only you can i think you can give an interresting advice..

[woodywood91]

id pay to see bush assasinated

just kidding lol

xxxxxx

[ff8123]

Oh and only 6 million of the people killed in the camps were jewish... out of 12 million.

dont forget about the homosexuals, gypsies, and... more or less anyone else hitler did not like.

[ff8123]

And you need to above all remember who this is coming from... the American president who has caused more death around the world through USA's 'economic terrorism' than Hitler caused in his gas chambers. So i Say again...

Holding on to ur god until you die is not something you should be respected for. Its not something you should be DIS-respected for either. Its just something u chose to do. Like tieing a shoe lace - No one should care what they believed. Only that IT happened.

[zeeisabee]

i think the holocaust was disgraceful but so is bush hes doing his own mini holocaust in iraq the son of a bitch

most hated man in the world i hope he dies a slow and violent death. peace to the world

[neoconscottp]

Wow! You are a class act! Do not worry-angry bee boy-Bush will no longer be President soon. Then, everything will be shiny and roses will come up again. Oh yeah-we must have that Bush trial-"Bush is guilty of war crimes" says the UN magistrate. Then-Bush will break down and cry and the world will celebrate and sing! Actually, most likely, this will be one of those HBO movies being made which will appease brainless and hateful Bush haters like yourself.

[annudiwan]

i dont know why cant we respect others opinions and actions.bush seems to be doing his job and we should do ours.

[jehnon]

Is it just as me or is this the most outrageous thing on YOU TUBE. Wake up people, our president is at a fucking museum while the whole world is falling apart...

Not to mention he is impersonating a Jew,

Making the muslims mad as hell (by nonchalantly visiting their enemies museum while his country is exterminating their population.) Whew! the audacity! Come Lord Jesus, Come.

[neoconscottp]

Oh-he is at a museum-OH MY GOD!!! Our country(USA?) is exterminating our population? Hmmm So-we should appease the muslims also? You have wonderful insight!

[jehnon]

Our country has killed over 400,000 iraqis since the war began. That sounds like the begining of a Genocide to me. But then again I'm mormon what do i know?

[ff8123]

"I was most impressed that people in the face of horror and evil would not forsake their God, that in the face of unspeakable crimes against humanity, brave souls, young and old, stood strong for what they believe."

Blind faith to the grave. And now they decompose like everyone else.

[leromanesque]

Cannot you respect higher humanity values? or maybe what's your proposition, clever? I wonder what wonderfull things you do in your life, because you will "decompose" too one day.

[ff8123]

I have sympathy for any human being who was mistreated as the european minorities were by the nazis.

But expressing respect for them for merely claiming to believe in something to the 'bitter end' is utter nonsense.

Congradulations, You harbored an opinion. As EVERYONE does.

If I keep my "decompose" opinion through torture to my death would u respect that too?

People believe what they were taught. End of story.

[leromanesque]

I wouldn't interpret words of Bush as believing in something to the "bitter end". You say that. I didn't understand your previous comment because it was ironic. The problem is that your irony seems to be double and concerns not only the speech but also the attitude of these people who had to die. I thing the misunderstanding is comming from the fact you confuse keeping faith with keeping some more or less important but stubborn ideas until the end of life.

[ff8123]

Keepign faith = keeping stubborn.

Continuing their Jewish beleifes was the only way they could stick it to the Nazis, so they did.

IMO, quite pathetic. but when you are in a camp I suppose you must take what you can get. After all the whole world turned their backs on these people.

So of course they took to their beliefs. What else did they have?

[leromanesque]

Well, ff8123, I see your point of view. You speak about choices. I think people do important choices with their ethic in the background. If one throw away ethics and human culture,one is ready to do anything, including killing people-that was the case of nazis. So the laws of economy, like having and choosing are not enough to explain human relations. That makes human beings different from animals who have and choose but cannot build culture.

[MerkavahmkIV]

Oh fuck off you anti-semite.

You have NO idea what you are talking about...

We have kept our "beliefs" for almost 6,000 years now; well before any of you had any particular mode of organized worship.

The Holocaust crystallized the Jewish community; provided for the rebirth of our nation, and has since been an omnious warning to the dangers of extremism.

To dismiss our faith as you have is obscene.

All we want is to be left alone.

[ff8123]

your a fucking idiot for not undersdtanding there is a difference between my not respecting you for keeping to your beliefs and me not respecting you for who you are.

No credit is due for believing in things. Credit is awarded for actions. So fuck you and your persecution compolex,. I diobnt care if you've held your bullshit beliefs for 60,000 million years.

Since when are you entitled to respect for believing something?

[MerkavahmkIV]

Look at the list of Nobel lauriates. Do you know how many Jewish people are on there? It's amazing, and a source of great pride for us.

Jews have been behind many of the great scientific breakthroughs in recent as well as not so recent history. Look it up!

We have made many contributions to the human race. Most have been in the areas of science, medicine, and economics; but even the game of American basketball was invented by a Jewish man.

And all we want is to be left in peace.

[ff8123]

I have not dismissed your faith. I have merely stated, you are not to be revered for having it.

I don't care if you believe in a faith that involved sticking bowling pins up your ass for the circus. It has no bearing on what went on at the camps.

Only half the people Hitler killed were Jewish you know... what about the gays and the gypsies, and the russians?

We don't respect them because they didn't have beliefs until the bitter end right?

Israel is a terrorist nation.

[MerkavahmkIV]

We do not want to be revered. We do not try to convert others or spread our faith. (We are one of the ONLY religions that does not and has never forcively converted people... Us and the Buddhists.)

As I said, all we want is to be left alone. But none of you seem to be capeable of doing that.

Throughout history we have always been messed with, in one way or another.

And if you cannot respect the Jewish community for "who we are", then you have no idea how much we have done for the world

[ff8123]

I dont advocate hate crimes just because I have a different perspective on the issue than Bush does.

I do NOT deny that Jews have done MANY great things to further society, and THAT is what I revere them for. I rever and respect their contributions.

I do not respect them for being jewish. No one is entitled to respect for obeying a religion, or having beliefs. That is my only point.

[MerkavahmkIV]

Well, I don't disagree with you on that point.

But you said: "Israel is a terrorist nation."

That I do disagree with.

We are NOT a terrorist nation. We are, however, beseiged by terrorists. Our neighboring countries support them with money, training and weapons; and have also themselves invaded Israel three times in recent histroy.

They have stated time and again that they wish to "wipe us out." They want to commit genocide, and we will never allow that to happen to us again.

[ff8123]

Of course you shouldn't allow that to happen.

but herding Palestinian people into ghettos and threatening to divide Palestine in half is likewise a form of terrorism. Sending tanks down residential palestinian streets, bulldozing their schools and developing your economy on their land.

All bad ideas. Thats why the entire world except for the USA is against Israeli policy. No one wants the terrorists to kill your people. They want you r government to stop terrorizing Palestinian civilians.

[ff8123]

In essence, I am telling you that Israel treats muslims ALMOST as bad as Nazi Germany treated the Jews BEEEFOOOORE the death camps were created. BEFORE the genocide began.

Targeting civillians, bombing entire towns, free fire zones. All qualify as terrorism.

Buying out the palestinian economy, - economic terrorism, destorying their infrastructure, hospitals, power plants, water, etc....

Israel has a terrorist government.

[MerkavahmkIV]

There is no comparison to be made between the systematic gassing and burning of six million people, and what the State of Israel does to the "palestinians."

And those actions do NOT qualify as terrorism because they are carried out by a SOVRIEGN nation against a non-sovriegn foriegn entity. Israel has sovriegnty, which is an important international-law destinction. The "palestinians" (or Hezbollah, Hamas, etc) do NOT have sovriegnty, and thus are branded as "terrorists."

[ff8123]

Not all palestinians are members of terrorist organizations. Your government has no right to herd them into ghettos, and send tanks through their villages, destroy their infrastructure, and in many cases kill them.

[MerkavahmkIV]

Take it easy with the Holocaust comparisons, please. That is a low blow, and what they experience is not even close to a "ghetto", or a concentration camp.

In the Jewish ghettos of WWII, could the Jews get permits to drive a taxi? And then would they be allowed outside their camp to go and drive that taxi? I think not. (Most cab drivers in Israel are "palestinians" from the Gaza and West Bank.)

And we are not gassing them by the millions and burning their corpses...

They terrorize us.

[razorx71]

And is the ever burning flame really necessary to honor the ashes of jews who died in an oven?

[razorx71]

are those old guys the secret service?  he doesn't look to protected why didn't someone take him out!

[SkeffingtonP]

"are those old guys the secret service? he doesn't look to protected why didn't someone take him out!"

He was protected I can assure you.

[Loupioux]

F**K again George.W.Bush x9999999

[NYPOLICE]

FUCK George.W.Bush!

[fox87]

yes. FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK­KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK G Bush !  ATT: SPIAN !

[ropropper]

...are there commemorations with BUSH...about the victims of the american labor-camps for the Japanese too?

[davidhazlett]

The photo taken was so loud to the point that it sounded like machine guns. As always Bush was eloquent when he spoke of the tragic loss of the 6 million Jews. I too feel it was very sad that some nutcase could wield the power to kill so many people. smartcash2008com

[floater227]

1.2 million Iraqis

[mamacal123]

is it me..but that doesn't look like George Bush Jr.

[yalwadei]

yeah that true he does look a little weird plus at 2:25 that guy was talking to him an he wasn't even pay attention

[fonoses]

:(( don't worry . . .be happy :))

[globalnywiesniak]

A może to nie o to chodzi, tylko o vidok ;P

[globalnywiesniak]

Oh ok. But if you make a flier for party, and name it "Christ massacre" nobody cares about it. Because it's not about the meaning of the words, but about the emotional-power that they carry - hardcore.

[tsingbo169er]

that was a LOT of photo taking there O.O

[simply2ghetto]

Any one serious about studying the Holocaust really needs to look at the works of Raul Hilberg. His groud breaking study of the Holocaust eclipses anything you will ever see at Yad Vashem.

The fact that Yad Vashem had rejected the manuscript and initially even barred him from its archive, really says a lot about the politics of Yad Vashem.

Looking at pictures of politicians looking at pictures of the skeleton like jews won't teach you anything.

Pick up "The destruction of the European Jews"

[giovannim]

this is really funny because bushes grandpa helped the nazis kill those same jews. look it up, its called the union banking corp. they managed the nazis money, and prescott bush was in charge

[siou2]

If everyone gave up religion what would we fight about ???

[PolPot81]

OiL For ExaMple ;))

[simply2ghetto]

land money power

[TheOtherView]

"If everyone gave up religion what would we fight about ???"

Was that a serious statement?

[siou2]

There was a touch of sarcasim in the question...

It seems we have been killing each other over differing religions for centuries.

[TheOtherView]

We've been killing each other over many things. Land and power usually top the list.

[siou2]

And all of those relate to the various religions. Christian power struggles, muslum power struggles, wars for land in the middle east ( crusades )Jewish power and land struggles. Northern Ireland etc....

[SkeffingtonP]

Based on your responses it's clear you have a limited education. Pick up a history book and a newspaper and then comment. Until then you're wasting everyone's time.

[siou2]

where are you from ? I can only think you must be American !! As you semm to have no clue what has happened in the rest of the world...

[rolyzyl]

you fucking retard

[vrtfvervrtvrgtb]

Do they now know why we fight them and over which form of ignorance, by the permission of Allah, we shall be victorious?

[battu64]

It's been 1300 years and Allah still does not permit it.

[xxxchurchxxx]

rename it "The Biggest Idiot Ever Seen ANYWHERE! visits Yad Vashem"

[rrp1984]

does bush even no what the holocaust is. my teacher in school said to us one time that anybody could be president,i thought looking around the room with all the dumies i seen no way. you no now i thinks she was right ant idiot can be president

[battu64]

Now you know you can be president too...go for it.

[Sindre1]

Not anyone can be president.

You need a lot of money for the commercials and stuff, or else you will not get enough people to wote for you.

Thats the way the twoparty-system works.

But you can be a complete idiot, yes.

[giovannim]

you need more than that, and your only allowed to spend so many millions on ads, the voting machines are rigged anyway, look it up. they got that presidential shit under control, its already decided and mccain,hilliary, and obama are all working togeather.

[battu64]

Which one are you in the video?

[battu64]

Which one are you in the video?

[wwwdoteupeedotcom]

go form a anti-Bush group on eupee

[7Imladris7]

Ok!!

Im the first one to post no?

[Nytemere]

No.

[7omnia7]

cool name!

[Lafy11]

i wish that arabis would capitalize on their catastrfies like israel does.

[Bamut63]

GUT