Grow a food garden. The biggest use of petrol is in agriculture. Pesticides, packaging and especially transportation of food is the biggest waste of petrol. If you want to change the culture you can change your way of life. Grow a garden. Produce your own food locally. Then you're not dependant on the petrol agriculture system.
I don't believe that destructive revolution is the best way to achieve lasting positive change. Destructive institutions, protected by the threat of state violence are pretty much immune to individual action or collective suffering. These institutions have integrated themselves into, and inform this culture. My responsibility as I see it, is to act according to my beliefs, to help others and to not participate in harmful activities. I'm not responsible for shutting down car culture.
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If the grid goes down permanently, every tree on Earth wider than your pinky finger will be cut down, and every wild animal larger than a mouse will be killed, count on that.
@zzz33333 Not in my lifetime, unless you mean how the Bloom box and solar panels are actually going to make the grid obsolete. Try to take down the grid after power production is distributed at the point of consumption.
@videoguy604 there's no way to know, really, when the power grid will go down, but the fact is civilization is inherently unsustainable and at some point it will collapse.
it only makes sense to me that we should prepare for it, because if it collapsed tomorrow pretty much everything on earth would die; you're right about that.
@zzz33333 We're going to keep it going until the heat death of the universe. You go ahead and play doomester, I'm preparing for the Technological Singularity.
@videoguy604 The sooner the grid comes done, the less damage it will cause. If it hade been brought down 50 years ago it would have been less then if it happens tomorrow. If it happens 50 years from now, well.. let's pray it doesn't hold up that long.
@beggge If the grid comes down, you will die, so why don't you just kill yourself? All life will be extinguished from this planet when the sun expands anyway. Only humanity has the power to take life beyond this planet. Earth is a rock, life is what we care about. Only industrial civilization can take life beyond this rock.
@videoguy604 The sooner the grid comes done, the less damage it will cause. If it hade been brought down 50 years ago it would have been less then if it happens tomorrow. If it happens 50 years from now, well.. let's pray it doesn't hold up that long.
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Everytime I see a stupid video like this that puts down people for using lumber, I go out to my woods and chop down a tree. As far as the car companies are concerned , do you realize how many people are employed in the cities that these companies operate? A lot of these jobs are in the inner cities employing thousands of minorities. So tell me ths. Why do you hate minorities. It is terrible to be a racist.
to all you young idealists out there .. run!! panic !! get a car ... stash as much food as you can in your self build eco-house .. learn all basic down to earth tradeable skills .. I'm sick of seeing environmentlists becoming poor losers .. during the richest period in history !! no idealistic eco solutions are going to happen guys .. the poor are just going to get very very poor!! If you are going to be an environmentalist .. be a tough hardworking realistic one, please!!!
When I was a young girl, I tried to listen, But got distracted by the human race; Always knew I was part of a system, And never wanted to just take up space; Then came an answer I always wanted; Through the noise, I stumbled upon it A sea of faith is what I needed. Can't believe it took so long to see it. Maybe if I find it, I'll keep it Maybe if I say it, I'll mean it Praise Allah, God is One! Find me in that 'permanent state'.
For BreakingTheBanality: No!!!!!!! Armageddon comes from the Bible and is bullshit. Don't make "Armageddon" happen by doing nothing to help the Earth!!!!!! If you do that you are doing exactly what Derrick Jensen is talking about, you are giving in to your abusers. Stop driving motorized vehicles, stop buying raw oil products like gasoline, or Diesel fuel, or petroleum products. Every person can get informed and then use this information to live responsibly.
Our society is insane, on every level. See, what you make a system with is what it becomes... Money is the root of all evil. People have now tried to update it & say the love of money is but that is obsurd. Our main focus in life should be to develope ourselves & who we feel to be inside as much as possible & help other do the same while respecting the fact we must all have nourishment, social interaction, shelter, & love. That is all we need, everything else is designed to distract you.
I don't find this Jensen guy all that interesting. Best part of this video is the cartoon at the start. Mindless drones teaching kids to be mindless drones. There's the beginning of tragedy.
on the bright side their are people making cars with alternitive energys now
and people say that petrolium based fuels are olny going to last another 20-40 years but i guess thats still alot of Co2
and i guess i heard on the t.v. that in the future people might get hydro carbons in the oceans witch is scarry hopfully people are'nt that stupid to realease even more Co2
but that is the future we will have to convince them not to do that now!!!
The bright side is not that people are making cars with alternative energy now. Where is all the steel and other materials going to come from to keep making these cars 100s of years in to future? Do we just keep mining and tearing up the Earth and dumping chemicals into the land to help the extraction process so we can keep driving our alternative energy cars?
Alternative energy cars are better than petrolium fuels, but they are still not going to stop the destruction, only slow it down
For hanlon: What are you suggesting? The only way consumers will force the corporate world to manufacture cleaner energy products is by buying those products that consume the least amount of energy. It's very simple. And the best way is to live locally and ride bicycles and walk.
I agree with everything you said, but living locally and simply is not enough, because the destruction will just continue to go on right around you. Living locally is certainly a good thing to be doing, but it is not enough when the destructive culture continues right around you
For hanlon108: Thank you. Well, I understand what you mean, I also understand what Derrick Jensen means. I do understand the protectiveness of a mother, because I am a mother of a boy, and I also consider myself the mother of all animals. But I do know that retaliation is just making the situation worse. I strongly believe that a paradigm change can only arise through awareness of most people. The best thing we can give to society is to be a role model, only then, maybe, others will follow.
the key word in your last sentence is "maybe". Being a role model is certainly a good thing, but hoping that "maybe" others will follow i fear is something we do not have enough time to wait for. If you're as passionate about these things as i am, which it definitely appears that you are, i strongly suggest reading Jensen's latest book, "What We Leave Behind".
For hanlon108 part 2: Do you know Rosalind Peterson? She is one of the most committed activists I have ever talked to and I am honored to be in contact with her. Next to Paul Watson and Ingrid Newkirk, Rosalind is an extremely brave activist risking her life to save the animals and the planet. But they all know that war is not going to bring a paradigm change to the world. The mental growth in people has to come from each person and from within, not through force.
For hanlon108 part 3: Please understand me, I fully, 100 percent understand Derrick Jensen's feelings and yours, and anyone's feelings who is bitter and fed up with humanity. I just talked to my mother about this and she is worried that I might miss out on joy in life because of my activism and bitterness. I cry almost every day about the atrocities done to animals. I can't stand it. I told her that I am trying my best to help as much as I can and also live my life at the same time with love.
I have not heard of her but will definitely look her up and read up on her and her work. And I hope it does not come across to you like I am arguing with you, because I really admire your passion and just want to have a discussion with someone as passionnate as you seem to be about these issues. Again, to get an even better understanding of where perspectives like mine are coming from, I strongly suggest reading "What We Leave Behind".....
I also understand where you're coming from in trying to live your life with love, and I understand the importance of that as most of my anger at the destruction of our planet stems from my love of it. I also agree that people's minds need to be changed for a paradigm shift to occur, and that is the first step. However, i'm skeptical that, overall, our industrial civilization will follow that shift unless some force is involved. Ultimately, it's our very way of life (industrial civilization)..
For hanlon108: Thank you for understanding my position. I will try to find the book "What We Leave Behind". I might find it in the library. Have you heard about Julia Hill? She sat in the Redwood tree for 2 years. She has her own organization now and is extremely committed to helping the Earth. The corporations and the people in charge of them are not going to back down of course. No question about it. That makes us consumers even more responsible with our choices in life.
For hanlon108 part 2: The corporations sell what people want. Supply = demand is their law. That is why Dubai is completely redesigning everything, almost the whole city, towards relying on renewable energy sources. They think in advance, because they know that oil is eventually running out. T Boone Pickens is another example. After making money on oil he is now investing into wind mills. I did not like his oil business, but I like what he is doing now. The transition to clean energy is there.
For hanlon 108 part 3: Julia Hill said "the good thing about unsustainability is that it does not sustain itself". I personally wish that long time before unsustainability destroys too much of the wild animals, extra terrestrials will step in and help. But the odds of that happening is slim. So the only thing I can do is live in a way I want others to live, that is all I can do. Militant rebels get shot. I want to be there for my family. Aggression is not making others learn anything anyway.
that is destroying this planet. Industrial civilization relies on and necesitates exploitation of resources, living and non-living, human and non-human. You can only take so much from the land while giving nothing back, and poisoning it in the process. Our entire way of life has to be uprooted, and I though I really would like to believe otherwise, I really don't believe those in charge and those leading corporations are going to cooperate peacefully or simply have their minds changed
Weyerhauser (i think) is one of (if not the) largest lumber companies in the world. He is saying that we need to stop the things and processes that make such exploitation of the land possible.
Yes, yes we're all victims, except for self-appointed moral authorities like Jensen. Heard it all before. Reminds me of typical Weather Underground rhetoric, which is what is really dangerous.
China has implemented a 1 child per family law, that if broken, the offenders will pay heavy fines. That means 2 parenst 1 child. Ah, a return to sustainability can be had fairly quickly if everyone were to follow this, but that would be infringing on the rights of individuals in America, so I don't really think it's the answer either. Besides, who are they (the govt.) to tell us how many children we can have?
besides, only children are considerably more fucked up than children with siblings.
i'm not talking about government-implemented "sustainability." at this point i'm not even talking about sustainability so much as i am talking about some ways of life that don't require constant devastation.
Taking down Weyerhaeuser is also dangerous because then you'd be responsible for countless lost jobs, and would be harming the families of the men and women who work for Weirhauser. Thus you would be responsible for getting their lives back in order. This idiot is a radical, and a zealot who has a great disregard for humanity. He's not trying to save us, he's single minded about saving the environment, and he doesn't give a shit who he hurts in order to attain that goal.
disregard for humanity? disregard for humanity? the culture of civilization has a disregard for humanity. worrying about some shmuck's job instead of the fate of humanity is having disregard for humanity!
where i come from it's customary to read author's work before mindlessly throwing straw-men together. ya dig?
What about your job? If someone ~today~ came in and decided, for whatever reason, that you did not need your job because they were fighting for a greater good, what would you do? You would be contributing to your own model of civilization if you blatantly removed someone from their job without finding something better for them. Don't you think you'd be a bit angry after having lost your job?
If they lost their jobs, how would they feed themselves? Off the land? What land would they use? How would they pay for the land? If they didn't pay for the land, civilization would once again eat them up, so what do you propose?
All life on this planet is more important. Did you hear me? ALL LIFE. That means you can't take peoples' jobs from them using the excuse that the environment is more important than them. I'm pretty sure the people who lost their jobs would not only disagree with you, but be forever converted INTO civilizaiton, which is not what we want.
Convince them to do things that do not threaten the existence of life on this planet instead of working at a toxic corporation like Weyerhaeuser. Also, large corporations thrive on the fact that people buy their worthless shit. Convince people not to buy their worthless shit, and make people aware of the alternative which is not destroying the environment. What is that alternative? If I knew the answer I'd go do it tomorrow. (since it's late here). heh.
Paperless offices were supposed to answer this question, but people like to have something in their hands that they can carry around with them and is tangible. Paperless offices generate more paper than paper offices, which is also ironic, but I think it's because of the way Paperless Offices operate. Of course I realize that computers are toxic to the environment as well, so that's not really answering your question either. It's a tough one, and I suppose that's why people continue
Having a moderately diverse piece of plastic rot in a dump isn't as ecologically awful as media makes it out to be.
The only real way to remove these materials from their state is allowing biodegradation over time and the ceasing of creating more, not finding some special way of fast-biodegradation...
ppl don't want work, they want money, yet they dont want the money they want the things they can get from the money. I think all we want is the products of other people and the resources needed to survive. essentially;
sharing and being able to take from the land.
Of course I realise its not that simple to put in action from what we currently have in civilisation, as everything is centralised we want all kinds of things we shouldnt really have such easy access to. But did that make any sense?
Blowing up a dam requires explosives. Who is going to pay for the explosives or the materials to make them? Civilization brought you those explosives. Explosives harm the environment. If you're willing to blow up a dam, you're willing to blow up a lot of other things too. If you go too far down that path, you'll be just as destructive as civilization is. Sometimes it's hard to decern what is and isn't okay to blow up, especially if you are so impressionable about saving the environment.
If we all decided to be Vegans, we would need so much more land for crops in order to feed ourselves than is currently available that a lot of us would starve. Just because you are not directly responsible for killing animals, you still would be doing so. If you shared the crops with the animals, and we were all vegans, that would mean even less crops for humans, and therefore even more starvation.
Every morning when I awake I ask myself whether I should write or blow up a dam. I tell myself I should keep writing, though I'm not sure that's right. Every morning when I awake I ask myself whether I should write or blow up a dam. I tell myself I should keep writing, though I'm not sure that's right.Every morning when I awake I ask myself whether I should write or blow up a dam. I tell myself I should keep writing, though I'm not sure that's right.
ok zack, i agree with this guy. I know what he is talking about, cos i am vegan and I dont use products which were tested on animals, and of course dont eat meat, milk, cheese or anything related to animals.
But, I am not preaching against civilization. You are, and yet u are using it. isnt using you tube same as using toilet paper?
arguing with people online is not fun, but i feel like it is productive, if not for me, than for them.
pretty arrogant that i don't want anything to do with meaningless time-wasters? i know you don't speak English very well - i think you should look up "arrogant."
i see meaning in everything, even the meaningless. the reason you like meaninglessness is because you feel all life is meaningless. that is very telling. that has meaning.
Let's ask ourselves what do we really love? What or who is the most important to us? And do we have the courage to do what it takes to protect what we love most? I'm like Derrick. I love life on this planet. And soon -- in the foreseeable future -- life on this planet WILL be a living hell. Your children will have horrible, miserble, short, diseased lives full of suffering.
it's not practical to expect a person living in a rural or spacious subburuban area to use public transportation or to bike to and from question for us is why hasn't more worldwide development not been adopted and set forth in making alternative energies economically cheapier and accessible for more ppl especially in US we are way behind in developing and seeking out alternative energies and eco friendly manufacturing and processing of goods and services
There's no such thing as eco friendly manufacturing and production. No such thing as eco friendly consumerism. They take more from our surroundings than we can possibly give back. Thats the point. Thats why. Biking, public transit, more efficient appliances etc, are nice but not really a solution.
PS: No offense, but if you use punctuation your comments will be MUCH more understandable.
individually we are powerless in the larger scheme of things thats what most of us share universally collectively joining a cause striving to achieve a common goal that's when we all can make a difference most of us will not be leaders we will be lead some of us will find ways to be heard through voting writings protests and unfortunately through terrorists acts and serving in war is it possible to achieve a complete turn around civilization is slow to change always placing a price before change
The only serious way to "change the system" I can think of, is to become politically engaged. And that also means that you try reach as many people as possible, through as much mediums as possible..
Hello Zach, Thanks for responding. Well, if your friends or peers think sustainability is boring, and you changed your mind about it and think it's helpful, then you are ahead of them in understanding the world. That's good, Zach. I wonder if Derrick thinks it's boring. Ask him. If that was the case I could not take him seriously any longer. It would make him just a fad guru. I know he cares about animals and I appreciate it very much.
But bashing Hillary like he does and throwing her into the same pot with Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeldt is very uninformed and childish.
What does not work in this political system is capitalism. Yes, another politically incorrect thing to say. But it's the truth. We have taken it to an extreme with the Bush administration and everybody can see it if they pay attention. It's like a cartoon, blown up so every child can recognize it.
So now that we all understand that this system does not work, can we all ask the question: "How can we turn this around and make the best of the situation, and even make it great?" Sustainability, living local, living in a slow pace, inviting non violent communication into our communities, offering talk groups, problem solving forums, forming free creativity workshops, hiking together, cleaning up the environment, (which my husband and I have done), it all works.
could you be any more vague? how else could one go and change the system? you can't really do anything else than to criticize and get your message out..
Every person has the responsibility as far as they can reason according to their ages, to not support those products, services and corporations that harm the ecology. Every person has the responsibility to do research about the products that are on the market today. Every person must take the time to read more and question more. Accepting information without questioning it is irresponsible. We adults are not children any longer. The comparison to children's guilt is useless.
Blaming everything on all politicians is wrong. That is not taking responsibility at all. Hillary Clinton is not bribed as so many people like to believe. People believe what they want to believe because it's fun.
Zach said in one comment: "Self sustainability is boring". That tells me everything. It basically says that he does not want to take any responsibility for anything, he wants to blame the politicians, he wants to believe the slander against Hillary and Bill Clinton, he wants "exciting" conspiracy stories. LIFE DOES NOT WORK LIKE THAT IF WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH ANYTHNG CONSTRUCTIVE AND POSITIVE.
i personally do not think sustainability is boring. but all of my peers do. it is much more important to communicate with them, than to sit around talking sustainability with us. and i am saying they could care less about sustainability.
Ha ha! Finally something! I've been telling every frinkin' person that recycling or taking shorter showers isnt the problem. Its the population.
SOme times you are fustrated in other videos, and it seems like youre mad that us, as a whole, that we have changed so much from the begining for when we weren't that many, ect. But are you talking about the envoriment?
Say no to as many industries as you can! Some of the big industries that everyone can and should cut out are: coffee, soda, tobacco, alcohol, cosmetics, junk food, junk items, new cars and houses, "luxury items" and any other crap you can live without.
The big corporations and governments keep telling us that if we, "the consumers" would just recycle our packaging, turn our lights off when we leave the room, stop flushing the toilet so much, etc... everything will be okay. The real problem is the whole consumerism culture. The big havoc is being wreaked by the big guys on top who are selling us our poisoned food and energy. If we would stop funding them, that would make a real difference.
What else might make a realer difference? ANARCHY! CHAOS! ANYTHING BUT THIS!!!!!
There really is no way to reform this way of life, I don't think.
The NWO bigshots are planning on population reductions... by whatever means they have available. Not because they care about equality and LIFE in the community, but because they want the planet for themselves.
I'm sure there is more we can do. We can stop paying taxes, stop using currency, create a different way of life altogether. I guess it will look different for each set of people.
The problem is not the point at which we stop paying taxes, the problem is the sheer martial arts and strategy of war required to defend yourself from government invaders who attempt to call you an immoral person in the eyes of their system.
We won't be free of suffering if you do not try to fight...
while americans turned of lights for an hour to "save the world", the american government was droping bombs and destroying the earth to keep the lights on...
He is talking about the opposite of personal responsibility, he's talking about removing other people's ability to drive cars...WHILE HE DRIVES CARS!!!
dude Luke explain this to me - if derrick didn't write and publish books, and drive over the country giving talks, how could he possibly communicate to as many people as he currently does? i want an answer from you about this.
zzz33333- I admire your enthusiasm for all of this but you have to realise that people aren't going to jeopardise the immediate future of there stability and the ability to feed their children/families. People are so accustomed to hearing doom and gloom that they get used it and become resigned to their form of slavery/suicide. When people's lives are completely filled with earning enough money for food and shelter they don't have time for long-term thinking. Besides, American Idol is on!
thats exactly the problem. it is precisely because we refuse to give up short term luxuries and stabilities for long term places to live that our culture is on a crash course with apocalypse. just because you say its hard to do, doesnt make it not the right answer
I agree with you. I'm not sure where you live but here in the states there isn't shit for a tribal community. If you are a 30 yr old guy who doesn't work in the system, then you go hungry. If you have children and don't support them, then you can go to jail for neglect. I've been considering not buying a car again (if/when mine breaks down) but that will mean that I can't get to work. I will lose my home. If I lose my home, landlords may not decide to rent to me. These are all REAL problems.
I have already rid myself of the so-called luxuries long ago. Tv etc... It's shit.
Having NO MONEY is also the same as being powerless in many ways. Very restricting. It's also difficult to pay child-support without a job. No child support payments = jail. That's very limiting as well. I thought about playing a guitar on a street corner but...
"what makes YOU think that outside of this way of life you will be "jeopardized"."
Well, my son needs glasses. I don't have sole custody of my son so I must live relatively close to his mother. She needs to have an electric fan going when she sleeps or she goes berserk. We are all tied together in this web and walking away from things is irresponsible in some ways and noble in other ways, imo. I'm not sure what the fixes are either. Maybe MONEY is really more ridiculous than we realise.
yoavzi computers destroy forests. you don't 'save trees' by using a computer. trees don't need saving. they just need to be left alone.
jensen is very generous with his writing online. there's enough of his writing online to keep you going for a long time. there's also quite a bit of video.
after you've read a good deal of his work, then feel free to criticize him.
i am not anti science, i am a computer man, and LOVE(!) knowledge, i simply don't like the system we live in today where the evil ones in my eyes prosper..... i am not(!) anti technology.....
nor sure this answered what you asked, but if not, let me know, regards!
@zack, not only willing to help stop it, i think i changed quite a few people who met me, and i do think that what i am doing will help break the system, as small as it may seem, it is something!
Do you know what every great revolutionary had in common? A willingness to put their lives down for the cause. To put the cause and the people ahead of themselves.
I can't tell you what to do, or what you should do. The beauty of life is that it is (supposed to be) yours.
I can say that a soldier wasted is a soldier lost...
1- i hate the army, so soldier is a bad word for me
2- what every revolution had in common in my eyes, was that ppl saw how bad they were doing, which is not the case today, many ppl that i know don't like the way things are, but prefer it to other alternatives
face the bitter truth, you (and I!) belong to a minority..... we should not be assholes, the kind of freedom we seek is not what most ppl want. facts of life.
soldier is a good word. civilization has corrupted 50% or more of our language. a soldier is someone who fights for what they believe in, ideally. what's wrong with that? we're all supposed to acknowledge that there is nothing worth fighting for? fuck that.
"civilization has corrupted 50% or more of our language". wow.. that's assuming that language has some innate value and then this evil civilization came and destroyed the value of that beautiful language! Without this evil civilization ever existing, you wouldn't even know how to read, that would still be only for the chosen few..
you don't know what he does with the proceeds from the book, so you don't know how much it supports the system. it also seems you missed the point of the video.
so this derrick guy you like so much, he actually doesn't practice what he preaches... yeah, you can give all the excuses in the world, but what is the value of his message if he doesn't practice it ? sorry to be so harsh on your "hero" but he doesn't give such a good impression..... even his book is not for free! i wanted to download it but couldn't find it... he could have saved some forests by making it online......
uh, evil is the root of all evil.
z05t9o 4 months ago
Grow a food garden. The biggest use of petrol is in agriculture. Pesticides, packaging and especially transportation of food is the biggest waste of petrol. If you want to change the culture you can change your way of life. Grow a garden. Produce your own food locally. Then you're not dependant on the petrol agriculture system.
Peace, love and understanding.
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good video
if you want to know the true scale of this crisis see this
youtube.com/watch?v=ZEYUxOGPm-0
vengance89 1 year ago
I don't believe that destructive revolution is the best way to achieve lasting positive change. Destructive institutions, protected by the threat of state violence are pretty much immune to individual action or collective suffering. These institutions have integrated themselves into, and inform this culture. My responsibility as I see it, is to act according to my beliefs, to help others and to not participate in harmful activities. I'm not responsible for shutting down car culture.
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If the grid goes down permanently, every tree on Earth wider than your pinky finger will be cut down, and every wild animal larger than a mouse will be killed, count on that.
videoguy604 1 year ago
@videoguy604 eventually the grid will go down permanently. you can count on that, too.
zzz33333 1 year ago 5
@zzz33333 Not in my lifetime, unless you mean how the Bloom box and solar panels are actually going to make the grid obsolete. Try to take down the grid after power production is distributed at the point of consumption.
videoguy604 1 year ago
@videoguy604 there's no way to know, really, when the power grid will go down, but the fact is civilization is inherently unsustainable and at some point it will collapse.
it only makes sense to me that we should prepare for it, because if it collapsed tomorrow pretty much everything on earth would die; you're right about that.
zzz33333 1 year ago
@zzz33333 We're going to keep it going until the heat death of the universe. You go ahead and play doomester, I'm preparing for the Technological Singularity.
videoguy604 1 year ago
@videoguy604 The sooner the grid comes done, the less damage it will cause. If it hade been brought down 50 years ago it would have been less then if it happens tomorrow. If it happens 50 years from now, well.. let's pray it doesn't hold up that long.
beggge 1 year ago
@beggge If the grid comes down, you will die, so why don't you just kill yourself? All life will be extinguished from this planet when the sun expands anyway. Only humanity has the power to take life beyond this planet. Earth is a rock, life is what we care about. Only industrial civilization can take life beyond this rock.
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@videoguy604 The sooner the grid comes done, the less damage it will cause. If it hade been brought down 50 years ago it would have been less then if it happens tomorrow. If it happens 50 years from now, well.. let's pray it doesn't hold up that long.
beggge 1 year ago
@videoguy604 How is that any different from now exactly?
MrKirbenCallaghan 8 months ago
@MrKirbenCallaghan Why should we abandon industrial civilization when we're on the verge of having infinite power and escaping to the stars?
videoguy604 8 months ago
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Everytime I see a stupid video like this that puts down people for using lumber, I go out to my woods and chop down a tree. As far as the car companies are concerned , do you realize how many people are employed in the cities that these companies operate? A lot of these jobs are in the inner cities employing thousands of minorities. So tell me ths. Why do you hate minorities. It is terrible to be a racist.
adamhawk71 1 year ago
@adamhawk71 your way of life requires the death of billions of minorities.
if the car companies close, they would be better off.
why do you hate minorities?
why do you hate the world?
why do you hate yourself?
zzz33333 1 year ago 13
@adamhawk71 using lumber is different than destroying acres of forest
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TA2MIKE74 1 year ago
to all you young idealists out there .. run!! panic !! get a car ... stash as much food as you can in your self build eco-house .. learn all basic down to earth tradeable skills .. I'm sick of seeing environmentlists becoming poor losers .. during the richest period in history !! no idealistic eco solutions are going to happen guys .. the poor are just going to get very very poor!! If you are going to be an environmentalist .. be a tough hardworking realistic one, please!!!
Fraterculae 1 year ago
arozinsk 2 years ago
KENAF toilet paper!
permaculturedesigner 2 years ago
can some one clarify for me, he wants to shut down the car culture as a whole?
BreakingTheBanality 2 years ago
yes, and so do i, and so should you, for god's sake.
zzz33333 2 years ago
that quite admirable of you but yaaah that'll never happen, so what does that leave us with, a count down to Armageddon?
BreakingTheBanality 2 years ago
yes.
zzz33333 2 years ago
For BreakingTheBanality: No!!!!!!! Armageddon comes from the Bible and is bullshit. Don't make "Armageddon" happen by doing nothing to help the Earth!!!!!! If you do that you are doing exactly what Derrick Jensen is talking about, you are giving in to your abusers. Stop driving motorized vehicles, stop buying raw oil products like gasoline, or Diesel fuel, or petroleum products. Every person can get informed and then use this information to live responsibly.
redwoodforesttwo 2 years ago
damn- its 3am, and im still not finished with my homework
it doesnt interest me.
i guess its my fault for not reforming the school system
Kirilltraceur 2 years ago 2
Our society is insane, on every level. See, what you make a system with is what it becomes... Money is the root of all evil. People have now tried to update it & say the love of money is but that is obsurd. Our main focus in life should be to develope ourselves & who we feel to be inside as much as possible & help other do the same while respecting the fact we must all have nourishment, social interaction, shelter, & love. That is all we need, everything else is designed to distract you.
jasonlammons 3 years ago 8
I don't find this Jensen guy all that interesting. Best part of this video is the cartoon at the start. Mindless drones teaching kids to be mindless drones. There's the beginning of tragedy.
bulafritz 3 years ago
on the bright side their are people making cars with alternitive energys now
and people say that petrolium based fuels are olny going to last another 20-40 years but i guess thats still alot of Co2
and i guess i heard on the t.v. that in the future people might get hydro carbons in the oceans witch is scarry hopfully people are'nt that stupid to realease even more Co2
but that is the future we will have to convince them not to do that now!!!
kessest 3 years ago
The bright side is not that people are making cars with alternative energy now. Where is all the steel and other materials going to come from to keep making these cars 100s of years in to future? Do we just keep mining and tearing up the Earth and dumping chemicals into the land to help the extraction process so we can keep driving our alternative energy cars?
Alternative energy cars are better than petrolium fuels, but they are still not going to stop the destruction, only slow it down
hanlon108 2 years ago
For hanlon: What are you suggesting? The only way consumers will force the corporate world to manufacture cleaner energy products is by buying those products that consume the least amount of energy. It's very simple. And the best way is to live locally and ride bicycles and walk.
redwoodforesttwo 2 years ago
I agree with everything you said, but living locally and simply is not enough, because the destruction will just continue to go on right around you. Living locally is certainly a good thing to be doing, but it is not enough when the destructive culture continues right around you
hanlon108 2 years ago
For hanlon108: Thank you. Well, I understand what you mean, I also understand what Derrick Jensen means. I do understand the protectiveness of a mother, because I am a mother of a boy, and I also consider myself the mother of all animals. But I do know that retaliation is just making the situation worse. I strongly believe that a paradigm change can only arise through awareness of most people. The best thing we can give to society is to be a role model, only then, maybe, others will follow.
redwoodforesttwo 2 years ago
the key word in your last sentence is "maybe". Being a role model is certainly a good thing, but hoping that "maybe" others will follow i fear is something we do not have enough time to wait for. If you're as passionate about these things as i am, which it definitely appears that you are, i strongly suggest reading Jensen's latest book, "What We Leave Behind".
hanlon108 2 years ago
For hanlon108 part 2: Do you know Rosalind Peterson? She is one of the most committed activists I have ever talked to and I am honored to be in contact with her. Next to Paul Watson and Ingrid Newkirk, Rosalind is an extremely brave activist risking her life to save the animals and the planet. But they all know that war is not going to bring a paradigm change to the world. The mental growth in people has to come from each person and from within, not through force.
redwoodforesttwo 2 years ago
For hanlon108 part 3: Please understand me, I fully, 100 percent understand Derrick Jensen's feelings and yours, and anyone's feelings who is bitter and fed up with humanity. I just talked to my mother about this and she is worried that I might miss out on joy in life because of my activism and bitterness. I cry almost every day about the atrocities done to animals. I can't stand it. I told her that I am trying my best to help as much as I can and also live my life at the same time with love.
redwoodforesttwo 2 years ago
I have not heard of her but will definitely look her up and read up on her and her work. And I hope it does not come across to you like I am arguing with you, because I really admire your passion and just want to have a discussion with someone as passionnate as you seem to be about these issues. Again, to get an even better understanding of where perspectives like mine are coming from, I strongly suggest reading "What We Leave Behind".....
hanlon108 2 years ago
I also understand where you're coming from in trying to live your life with love, and I understand the importance of that as most of my anger at the destruction of our planet stems from my love of it. I also agree that people's minds need to be changed for a paradigm shift to occur, and that is the first step. However, i'm skeptical that, overall, our industrial civilization will follow that shift unless some force is involved. Ultimately, it's our very way of life (industrial civilization)..
hanlon108 2 years ago
For hanlon108: Thank you for understanding my position. I will try to find the book "What We Leave Behind". I might find it in the library. Have you heard about Julia Hill? She sat in the Redwood tree for 2 years. She has her own organization now and is extremely committed to helping the Earth. The corporations and the people in charge of them are not going to back down of course. No question about it. That makes us consumers even more responsible with our choices in life.
redwoodforesttwo 2 years ago
For hanlon108 part 2: The corporations sell what people want. Supply = demand is their law. That is why Dubai is completely redesigning everything, almost the whole city, towards relying on renewable energy sources. They think in advance, because they know that oil is eventually running out. T Boone Pickens is another example. After making money on oil he is now investing into wind mills. I did not like his oil business, but I like what he is doing now. The transition to clean energy is there.
redwoodforesttwo 2 years ago
For hanlon 108 part 3: Julia Hill said "the good thing about unsustainability is that it does not sustain itself". I personally wish that long time before unsustainability destroys too much of the wild animals, extra terrestrials will step in and help. But the odds of that happening is slim. So the only thing I can do is live in a way I want others to live, that is all I can do. Militant rebels get shot. I want to be there for my family. Aggression is not making others learn anything anyway.
redwoodforesttwo 2 years ago
that is destroying this planet. Industrial civilization relies on and necesitates exploitation of resources, living and non-living, human and non-human. You can only take so much from the land while giving nothing back, and poisoning it in the process. Our entire way of life has to be uprooted, and I though I really would like to believe otherwise, I really don't believe those in charge and those leading corporations are going to cooperate peacefully or simply have their minds changed
hanlon108 2 years ago
YOu might be interested in VHMT's website. I was. Damned if I wont have kids though..
AdamuSensei 3 years ago
I can only follow to 0:30
Can someone please explain to me what he said between 0:30 and 1:01, please.
tnks
lostinagony84 3 years ago
Weyerhauser (i think) is one of (if not the) largest lumber companies in the world. He is saying that we need to stop the things and processes that make such exploitation of the land possible.
sacredthornapple 3 years ago
Yes, yes we're all victims, except for self-appointed moral authorities like Jensen. Heard it all before. Reminds me of typical Weather Underground rhetoric, which is what is really dangerous.
MisterRedlegs 3 years ago
You have some great stuff here, 400 plus video, short that they maybe, this will take me a little but I will watch the rest of them. Thanks.
BrutusCass 3 years ago
China has implemented a 1 child per family law, that if broken, the offenders will pay heavy fines. That means 2 parenst 1 child. Ah, a return to sustainability can be had fairly quickly if everyone were to follow this, but that would be infringing on the rights of individuals in America, so I don't really think it's the answer either. Besides, who are they (the govt.) to tell us how many children we can have?
SmoothBurn 3 years ago
besides, only children are considerably more fucked up than children with siblings.
i'm not talking about government-implemented "sustainability." at this point i'm not even talking about sustainability so much as i am talking about some ways of life that don't require constant devastation.
zzz33333 3 years ago
err that would be Weyerhaeuser, not Weirhauser :P
SmoothBurn 3 years ago
Taking down Weyerhaeuser is also dangerous because then you'd be responsible for countless lost jobs, and would be harming the families of the men and women who work for Weirhauser. Thus you would be responsible for getting their lives back in order. This idiot is a radical, and a zealot who has a great disregard for humanity. He's not trying to save us, he's single minded about saving the environment, and he doesn't give a shit who he hurts in order to attain that goal.
SmoothBurn 3 years ago
so?
disregard for humanity? disregard for humanity? the culture of civilization has a disregard for humanity. worrying about some shmuck's job instead of the fate of humanity is having disregard for humanity!
where i come from it's customary to read author's work before mindlessly throwing straw-men together. ya dig?
zzz33333 3 years ago
What about your job? If someone ~today~ came in and decided, for whatever reason, that you did not need your job because they were fighting for a greater good, what would you do? You would be contributing to your own model of civilization if you blatantly removed someone from their job without finding something better for them. Don't you think you'd be a bit angry after having lost your job?
SmoothBurn 3 years ago
... no i'd be fucking grateful
zzz33333 3 years ago
So you wouldn't care if those people starved if they lost their jobs at Weyerhauser?
SmoothBurn 3 years ago
i don't think they would starve if they lost their jobs
zzz33333 3 years ago
jesus christ, how am i even answering that question?
who is more important: employees at a gigantic corporation, or all life on this planet?
zzz33333 3 years ago
If they lost their jobs, how would they feed themselves? Off the land? What land would they use? How would they pay for the land? If they didn't pay for the land, civilization would once again eat them up, so what do you propose?
SmoothBurn 3 years ago
All life on this planet is more important. Did you hear me? ALL LIFE. That means you can't take peoples' jobs from them using the excuse that the environment is more important than them. I'm pretty sure the people who lost their jobs would not only disagree with you, but be forever converted INTO civilizaiton, which is not what we want.
SmoothBurn 3 years ago
what if the people's jobs are contributing to a system that is threatening the existence of life on this planet?
zzz33333 3 years ago
Convince them to do things that do not threaten the existence of life on this planet instead of working at a toxic corporation like Weyerhaeuser. Also, large corporations thrive on the fact that people buy their worthless shit. Convince people not to buy their worthless shit, and make people aware of the alternative which is not destroying the environment. What is that alternative? If I knew the answer I'd go do it tomorrow. (since it's late here). heh.
SmoothBurn 3 years ago
Paperless offices were supposed to answer this question, but people like to have something in their hands that they can carry around with them and is tangible. Paperless offices generate more paper than paper offices, which is also ironic, but I think it's because of the way Paperless Offices operate. Of course I realize that computers are toxic to the environment as well, so that's not really answering your question either. It's a tough one, and I suppose that's why people continue
SmoothBurn 3 years ago
Do you own a computer? I thought so. You know where it'll end up?
AdamuSensei 3 years ago
(not that I disagree with you on this)
AdamuSensei 3 years ago
Having a moderately diverse piece of plastic rot in a dump isn't as ecologically awful as media makes it out to be.
The only real way to remove these materials from their state is allowing biodegradation over time and the ceasing of creating more, not finding some special way of fast-biodegradation...
Seedr0 2 years ago
a moderately diverse combination of plastics and metals*
I guess I should say :P
Seedr0 2 years ago
ppl don't want work, they want money, yet they dont want the money they want the things they can get from the money. I think all we want is the products of other people and the resources needed to survive. essentially;
sharing and being able to take from the land.
Of course I realise its not that simple to put in action from what we currently have in civilisation, as everything is centralised we want all kinds of things we shouldnt really have such easy access to. But did that make any sense?
JTickett 3 years ago
I don't mind being killed if it means the rest of the world won't be violent...
...actually, I think the selfish part is being so afraid of death you are unwilling to give your life for ALL other life...
...not that this scenario would ever even present itself to a non-pacifistic-intelligent individual.
Seedr0 2 years ago
Blowing up a dam requires explosives. Who is going to pay for the explosives or the materials to make them? Civilization brought you those explosives. Explosives harm the environment. If you're willing to blow up a dam, you're willing to blow up a lot of other things too. If you go too far down that path, you'll be just as destructive as civilization is. Sometimes it's hard to decern what is and isn't okay to blow up, especially if you are so impressionable about saving the environment.
SmoothBurn 3 years ago
taking down a dam does not require blowing up a dam.
zzz33333 3 years ago
How would you suggest taking down a dam then?
SmoothBurn 3 years ago
all dams are different
some dams are big piles of rocks
zzz33333 3 years ago
If we all decided to be Vegans, we would need so much more land for crops in order to feed ourselves than is currently available that a lot of us would starve. Just because you are not directly responsible for killing animals, you still would be doing so. If you shared the crops with the animals, and we were all vegans, that would mean even less crops for humans, and therefore even more starvation.
SmoothBurn 3 years ago
i think veganism is stupid.
zzz33333 3 years ago
I agree that veganism is stupid.
SmoothBurn 3 years ago
Every morning when I awake I ask myself whether I should write or blow up a dam. I tell myself I should keep writing, though I'm not sure that's right. Every morning when I awake I ask myself whether I should write or blow up a dam. I tell myself I should keep writing, though I'm not sure that's right.Every morning when I awake I ask myself whether I should write or blow up a dam. I tell myself I should keep writing, though I'm not sure that's right.
bwhahrhr 3 years ago
what is this supposed to mean?
i don't get it. derrick jensen is supposed to go blow up dams?
then who would advocate the dams being blown up?
zzz33333 3 years ago
Thats a quote from him.
bwhahrhr 3 years ago
yeah, i know, dude...
zzz33333 3 years ago
that doesnt make sense anyway, he's already screwed himself out of blowing up the dams by writing about it.
zzz33333 3 years ago
ok zack, i agree with this guy. I know what he is talking about, cos i am vegan and I dont use products which were tested on animals, and of course dont eat meat, milk, cheese or anything related to animals.
But, I am not preaching against civilization. You are, and yet u are using it. isnt using you tube same as using toilet paper?
BellaTheHappyLoser 3 years ago
did you watch this video?
"we are culpable for something far greater than using toilet paper, which is for not stopping Weyerhauser."
zzz33333 3 years ago
I watched it, I just dont see what you see in there.
BellaTheHappyLoser 3 years ago
what do you see, then?
zzz33333 3 years ago
nothing.
BellaTheHappyLoser 3 years ago
.. tite, so you're just here for fun? dario was right about you - you worship the meaningless.
the biggest sin of my religion is To Waste Time.
so, don't come round here no'mo unless you got someting real to say.
it's impossible to see nothing in anything. in other words, there is something to see in every thing that exists.
zzz33333 3 years ago
of course i am here for fun. i dont do things if they are not fun to me.
do you do things that are not fun? maybe sometimes. think about it. dont put words in my mouth.
''so, don't come round here no'mo unless you got someting real to say'' - pretty arrogant, zack.
you see some meaning in all this, i dont. thats what I mean by nothing, you complicate simple things and you simplify complicated stuff.
BellaTheHappyLoser 3 years ago
i go to work every day. that's not very much fun.
arguing with people online is not fun, but i feel like it is productive, if not for me, than for them.
pretty arrogant that i don't want anything to do with meaningless time-wasters? i know you don't speak English very well - i think you should look up "arrogant."
i see meaning in everything, even the meaningless. the reason you like meaninglessness is because you feel all life is meaningless. that is very telling. that has meaning.
zzz33333 3 years ago
word
runnygrits 3 years ago
Let's ask ourselves what do we really love? What or who is the most important to us? And do we have the courage to do what it takes to protect what we love most? I'm like Derrick. I love life on this planet. And soon -- in the foreseeable future -- life on this planet WILL be a living hell. Your children will have horrible, miserble, short, diseased lives full of suffering.
Laara12 3 years ago
it's not practical to expect a person living in a rural or spacious subburuban area to use public transportation or to bike to and from question for us is why hasn't more worldwide development not been adopted and set forth in making alternative energies economically cheapier and accessible for more ppl especially in US we are way behind in developing and seeking out alternative energies and eco friendly manufacturing and processing of goods and services
Igenerally 3 years ago
uncivilized humans are healthier and happier than those living inside civilization
zzz33333 3 years ago
There's no such thing as eco friendly manufacturing and production. No such thing as eco friendly consumerism. They take more from our surroundings than we can possibly give back. Thats the point. Thats why. Biking, public transit, more efficient appliances etc, are nice but not really a solution.
PS: No offense, but if you use punctuation your comments will be MUCH more understandable.
haddascream 3 years ago
individually we are powerless in the larger scheme of things thats what most of us share universally collectively joining a cause striving to achieve a common goal that's when we all can make a difference most of us will not be leaders we will be lead some of us will find ways to be heard through voting writings protests and unfortunately through terrorists acts and serving in war is it possible to achieve a complete turn around civilization is slow to change always placing a price before change
Igenerally 3 years ago
"individually we're powerless in the larger scheme of things"
yep, that's one of the myths of our culture, all right.
zzz33333 3 years ago
urgh. the sound of frustration.
Gimmeabreakman 3 years ago
The only serious way to "change the system" I can think of, is to become politically engaged. And that also means that you try reach as many people as possible, through as much mediums as possible..
Mariborchan 3 years ago
there are millions of ways to change everything. our system is no different.
politics, the way we understand them, can not make the necessary changes.
zzz33333 3 years ago
Hello Zach, Thanks for responding. Well, if your friends or peers think sustainability is boring, and you changed your mind about it and think it's helpful, then you are ahead of them in understanding the world. That's good, Zach. I wonder if Derrick thinks it's boring. Ask him. If that was the case I could not take him seriously any longer. It would make him just a fad guru. I know he cares about animals and I appreciate it very much.
nicolatwo 3 years ago
But bashing Hillary like he does and throwing her into the same pot with Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeldt is very uninformed and childish.
What does not work in this political system is capitalism. Yes, another politically incorrect thing to say. But it's the truth. We have taken it to an extreme with the Bush administration and everybody can see it if they pay attention. It's like a cartoon, blown up so every child can recognize it.
nicolatwo 3 years ago
So now that we all understand that this system does not work, can we all ask the question: "How can we turn this around and make the best of the situation, and even make it great?" Sustainability, living local, living in a slow pace, inviting non violent communication into our communities, offering talk groups, problem solving forums, forming free creativity workshops, hiking together, cleaning up the environment, (which my husband and I have done), it all works.
nicolatwo 3 years ago
So let's do it. We don't need to ponder about overturning the government. Lets think peace and love, not war.
nicolatwo 3 years ago
could you be any more vague? how else could one go and change the system? you can't really do anything else than to criticize and get your message out..
Mariborchan 3 years ago
.... i can blow things up
zzz33333 3 years ago
You could always kill some person/people who you think is destructive before suicide...
That's always good.
Seedr0 2 years ago
Every person has the responsibility as far as they can reason according to their ages, to not support those products, services and corporations that harm the ecology. Every person has the responsibility to do research about the products that are on the market today. Every person must take the time to read more and question more. Accepting information without questioning it is irresponsible. We adults are not children any longer. The comparison to children's guilt is useless.
nicolatwo 3 years ago
Blaming everything on all politicians is wrong. That is not taking responsibility at all. Hillary Clinton is not bribed as so many people like to believe. People believe what they want to believe because it's fun.
nicolatwo 3 years ago
Zach said in one comment: "Self sustainability is boring". That tells me everything. It basically says that he does not want to take any responsibility for anything, he wants to blame the politicians, he wants to believe the slander against Hillary and Bill Clinton, he wants "exciting" conspiracy stories. LIFE DOES NOT WORK LIKE THAT IF WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH ANYTHNG CONSTRUCTIVE AND POSITIVE.
nicolatwo 3 years ago
nicolatwo - you misunderstood me.
i personally do not think sustainability is boring. but all of my peers do. it is much more important to communicate with them, than to sit around talking sustainability with us. and i am saying they could care less about sustainability.
try "listening."
zzz33333 3 years ago
Ha ha! Finally something! I've been telling every frinkin' person that recycling or taking shorter showers isnt the problem. Its the population.
SOme times you are fustrated in other videos, and it seems like youre mad that us, as a whole, that we have changed so much from the begining for when we weren't that many, ect. But are you talking about the envoriment?
bookswise 3 years ago
Say no to as many industries as you can! Some of the big industries that everyone can and should cut out are: coffee, soda, tobacco, alcohol, cosmetics, junk food, junk items, new cars and houses, "luxury items" and any other crap you can live without.
RVqueen 3 years ago
or better yet, steal all of those things to undermine the profits and increase expenditures for those corporations.
better yet, encourage other people to boycott.. or force them to. by any means necessary. freedom before peace.
zzz33333 3 years ago
wow queen you sure are making me feel self righteous
i just so happen to not buy any of those things
(good thing you didn't mention weed or cat food or books) :o)
pennilesscripple 3 years ago
The big corporations and governments keep telling us that if we, "the consumers" would just recycle our packaging, turn our lights off when we leave the room, stop flushing the toilet so much, etc... everything will be okay. The real problem is the whole consumerism culture. The big havoc is being wreaked by the big guys on top who are selling us our poisoned food and energy. If we would stop funding them, that would make a real difference.
RVqueen 3 years ago
what else might make a realer difference?
zzz33333 3 years ago
What else might make a realer difference? ANARCHY! CHAOS! ANYTHING BUT THIS!!!!!
There really is no way to reform this way of life, I don't think.
The NWO bigshots are planning on population reductions... by whatever means they have available. Not because they care about equality and LIFE in the community, but because they want the planet for themselves.
RVqueen 3 years ago
... there's gotta be more i can do than simply "buy less shit."
zzz33333 3 years ago
I'm sure there is more we can do. We can stop paying taxes, stop using currency, create a different way of life altogether. I guess it will look different for each set of people.
Violence? I don't know.
RVqueen 3 years ago
The problem is not the point at which we stop paying taxes, the problem is the sheer martial arts and strategy of war required to defend yourself from government invaders who attempt to call you an immoral person in the eyes of their system.
We won't be free of suffering if you do not try to fight...
Seedr0 2 years ago
yes indeed
ItsFilthy 3 years ago
while americans turned of lights for an hour to "save the world", the american government was droping bombs and destroying the earth to keep the lights on...
phuq1deology 3 years ago
true
zzz33333 3 years ago
love it!
idemandmydreams 3 years ago
He is talking about the opposite of personal responsibility, he's talking about removing other people's ability to drive cars...WHILE HE DRIVES CARS!!!
Luke12000 3 years ago
you talk of anacrchy while you exist in the opposite...
phuq1deology 3 years ago
dude Luke explain this to me - if derrick didn't write and publish books, and drive over the country giving talks, how could he possibly communicate to as many people as he currently does? i want an answer from you about this.
zzz33333 3 years ago
THIS IS GREAT! Eloquently put.
gimpchrist 3 years ago
zzz33333....
Thanks for the remind!
"Man must cease attributing his problems to his environment, and learn again to exercise his will - his personal responsibility." Einstein
VedekDrew 3 years ago
that dude is BRILLIANT
dnHooligan 3 years ago
zzz33333- I admire your enthusiasm for all of this but you have to realise that people aren't going to jeopardise the immediate future of there stability and the ability to feed their children/families. People are so accustomed to hearing doom and gloom that they get used it and become resigned to their form of slavery/suicide. When people's lives are completely filled with earning enough money for food and shelter they don't have time for long-term thinking. Besides, American Idol is on!
Barklord 3 years ago
thats exactly the problem. it is precisely because we refuse to give up short term luxuries and stabilities for long term places to live that our culture is on a crash course with apocalypse. just because you say its hard to do, doesnt make it not the right answer
cchilder 3 years ago
I agree with you. I'm not sure where you live but here in the states there isn't shit for a tribal community. If you are a 30 yr old guy who doesn't work in the system, then you go hungry. If you have children and don't support them, then you can go to jail for neglect. I've been considering not buying a car again (if/when mine breaks down) but that will mean that I can't get to work. I will lose my home. If I lose my home, landlords may not decide to rent to me. These are all REAL problems.
Barklord 3 years ago
I have already rid myself of the so-called luxuries long ago. Tv etc... It's shit.
Having NO MONEY is also the same as being powerless in many ways. Very restricting. It's also difficult to pay child-support without a job. No child support payments = jail. That's very limiting as well. I thought about playing a guitar on a street corner but...
Barklord 3 years ago
it's a slow process. i've never recommended going into the woods alone to live, "into the wild" style.
find or build a tribe. learn how to survive without a grocery store.
zzz33333 3 years ago
Quinn said there is no "wild left"
we can't go back because there is no "back"
we've destroyed "back"
so we have to move forward into something different.
kritz4prez 3 years ago
then you should get RID of money.
kritz4prez 3 years ago
find a way to live without those worries within a tribe. A tribe hands down from generation to generation a way of living to each member.
kritz4prez 3 years ago
altho i think that all the time. what makes YOU think that outside of this way of life you will be "jeopardized"
kritz4prez 3 years ago
"what makes YOU think that outside of this way of life you will be "jeopardized"."
Well, my son needs glasses. I don't have sole custody of my son so I must live relatively close to his mother. She needs to have an electric fan going when she sleeps or she goes berserk. We are all tied together in this web and walking away from things is irresponsible in some ways and noble in other ways, imo. I'm not sure what the fixes are either. Maybe MONEY is really more ridiculous than we realise.
Barklord 3 years ago
bad eyesight is a result of civilization.
that shit with your baby mama is a result of civilization.
lack of breeze at night is a result of civilization.
money is a result of civilization.
zzz33333 3 years ago
all true.
yet, right now my son needs glasses.
my baby mama IS my child's mother and I can't ignore it.
the wind still blows but the city is stifling
money builds the pyramid
Barklord 3 years ago
your son HAS glasses.
i don't want to touch the baby mama issue.
i'm stuck in a city, too, but acknowledging the problems of a city is the first step.
money builds the pyramid.
zzz33333 3 years ago
green paper and/or cotton with an imaginary value associated to it based on yellow rocks and the trading of small peices of earth...
ill have what they are smoking, please.
phuq1deology 3 years ago
but zack, not to annoy you
but why isn't his book online and free ?
it strikes me a bit fake he seels his book
this is all
by selling it he supports the system much more
and i am not going to an island because i think it makes a difference for the world,
i think you know quite good that the system stands because ... believe it, the majoority of ppl want it to!
you dislike this fact, so do it, but face it!
yoavzi 3 years ago
i don't know dude why don't you ask him? i didn't pay for the book and neither should you.
READ the book. THEN talk about it.
zzz33333 3 years ago
man!!!!!
just google for it, and see his page
they sell t-shirts
wow! i am so impressed..... wow!
but zack
i like you and your videos,
just don't know why you are so obsessed with this derrick guy, but have it your way
i don't trust ppl who don't do what they preach, preiod!
yoavzi 3 years ago
everybody gotta eat, son.
i wait tables.
see the comment from Barklord above this.
zzz33333 3 years ago
yoavzi while you're busy googling perhaps you might read the premises of endgame
pennilesscripple 3 years ago
yoavzi computers destroy forests. you don't 'save trees' by using a computer. trees don't need saving. they just need to be left alone.
jensen is very generous with his writing online. there's enough of his writing online to keep you going for a long time. there's also quite a bit of video.
after you've read a good deal of his work, then feel free to criticize him.
pennilesscripple 3 years ago
you can't accuse someone of not practicing what they preach if you aren't aware of what exactly they are preaching.
zzz33333 3 years ago
but i did watch some of his videos online
and i do watch you
so he wants the system to collapse, did i miss something ?
selling t-shirts on your site does not look like he is really doing it.......
if you want the system to break, don't be a part of it, this is my philosphoy, and i practice it,
it's like me saying come live with me on an island, for 600$ a month.... a joke!
yoavzi 3 years ago
how would you acquire this island, if not by the proceeds and/or product(s) of what it is you are trying to escape?
I think the term is a means to an end. You criticize yourself.
one CAN use the master's tools to tear down the master's house.
phuq1deology 3 years ago
in truth, i didn't get your comment
i am not anti science, i am a computer man, and LOVE(!) knowledge, i simply don't like the system we live in today where the evil ones in my eyes prosper..... i am not(!) anti technology.....
nor sure this answered what you asked, but if not, let me know, regards!
yoavzi 3 years ago
who would sell you this island if not for the same evil ones you speak of?
how would you gather enough paper to buy it, if not in doing business with and/or profiting off of their system?
I like your idea, but in order to esacpe a monster one must first become one, or at least befriend one.
therefore to scrutinize jensen for using the masters hammer to knock down the masters house is folly. As you plan to do the same...as do I.
phuq1deology 3 years ago
now i get you
we are a gorup of around 10+ ppl,
and guess what ?
we DON'T plan to buy the place
that is why my site does not mention the place
:D
to even make it clearer.... we plan to do it... illegally!
cool ?
yoavzi 3 years ago
great, you're planning on not contributing to this system.
are you willing to help stop it?
zzz33333 3 years ago
@zack, not only willing to help stop it, i think i changed quite a few people who met me, and i do think that what i am doing will help break the system, as small as it may seem, it is something!
yoavzi 3 years ago
yeah, kind of.
But with your eventual arrest, then what? Good memories? a good drinking story? something toi talk about while you pass the reefer?
It sounds no different from all the ex-hippies from the 60's, who now all work at the home-fucking-depot.
phuq1deology 3 years ago
and what do you suggest, then ?
but don't tell me things that cannot or will not happen,
of course it would be nice if all the human race rebelled, but it doesn't happen, for you have to accept the truth, that this is what most ppl want!
i would like a truthful reply to this
yoavzi 3 years ago
Do you know what every great revolutionary had in common? A willingness to put their lives down for the cause. To put the cause and the people ahead of themselves.
I can't tell you what to do, or what you should do. The beauty of life is that it is (supposed to be) yours.
I can say that a soldier wasted is a soldier lost...
phuq1deology 3 years ago
ok, i know what you mean, but i have this to say
1- i hate the army, so soldier is a bad word for me
2- what every revolution had in common in my eyes, was that ppl saw how bad they were doing, which is not the case today, many ppl that i know don't like the way things are, but prefer it to other alternatives
face the bitter truth, you (and I!) belong to a minority..... we should not be assholes, the kind of freedom we seek is not what most ppl want. facts of life.
yoavzi 3 years ago
Yeah, soldier is a bad word. I agree.
All I can say is I did not want to wake up this morning. But I did. And if I did'nt I would have had people yelling at me to get up.
I dont hate those people because the woke me up, however. I dont concider them assholes.
One cannot sleep forever.
phuq1deology 3 years ago
soldier is a good word. civilization has corrupted 50% or more of our language. a soldier is someone who fights for what they believe in, ideally. what's wrong with that? we're all supposed to acknowledge that there is nothing worth fighting for? fuck that.
zzz33333 3 years ago
"civilization has corrupted 50% or more of our language". wow.. that's assuming that language has some innate value and then this evil civilization came and destroyed the value of that beautiful language! Without this evil civilization ever existing, you wouldn't even know how to read, that would still be only for the chosen few..
Mariborchan 3 years ago
without civilization, reading would not exist.
zzz33333 3 years ago
you don't know what he does with the proceeds from the book, so you don't know how much it supports the system. it also seems you missed the point of the video.
pennilesscripple 3 years ago
you can't publish a book without paying for the expenses.
you think he has a publisher in his bedroom? A mass book maker machine thingy in his living room?
he can't get the message to people within the system without passing it through to system to get it to them.
I don't know what he does with the profits, thats his own business.
kritz4prez 3 years ago
yeah.... yeah!!!!!!!!
zzz33333 3 years ago
so this derrick guy you like so much, he actually doesn't practice what he preaches... yeah, you can give all the excuses in the world, but what is the value of his message if he doesn't practice it ? sorry to be so harsh on your "hero" but he doesn't give such a good impression..... even his book is not for free! i wanted to download it but couldn't find it... he could have saved some forests by making it online......
just a thought
yoavzi 3 years ago
he does practice it.
YOU would not do a DAMN thing by moving to your ISLAND.
this system does not need to be abandoned. it needs to be destroyed.
he is not my "hero" he is just an author.
not everyone can move to an island, yoav.
computers are worse for the planet than books.
you need to READ his book, or ANY book.
zzz33333 3 years ago
yoavzi if freedom means going to live on a desert island, then none of us are free
we're not free until all are free
freedom is not geographical--it is social and cultural
pennilesscripple 3 years ago
we obviously don't agree, but this is cool
i believe in this kind of freedom
have fun in your own path in life
yoavzi 3 years ago