Who cares if they aren't part of the fandom. Theres porn outside of furrys you know. YIff is not a main part of furry fandom. Trolls shouldn't circle around yiff there are a huge amount of furrys that aren't perverts. Furry fandom isn't about yiff yiff is a part of it. Note:I am not a furvert. I'm happy you don't say all furrys are yiffers. But I must say yiff is only in some parts of the fandom. But still RESPECT to you even though you said furry fandom is all about yiff.
So wait, I think I'm thinking of the wrong thing here, please correct me cause I'd like to know, But what if you make one of these costumes, but it has nothing to do with sexual stuff or whatever else you're talking about, Cause there are some people that make these costumes and don't do that stuff, like they just do it cause they make costumes. Would they be considered a furry?
It seem sir you are arguing on somthing that cannot be fixed. Yes disney does not support the furry fandom but disney does not also support people that hate things. so what im trying to say here is why hate? I bet it makes you feel all happy inside that you can now have an argument with me but I as a furry find ths video halarious.
...Might be a bit bias here? I mean... jacking off to star fox and rescue rangers? isn't that I bit much?
Now don't get me wrong. I agree with most of what you say... But a "true" (Majority) Furry that is one that is just scary in what they can jack off to... isn't that a bit much? I mean who could POSSIBLY jack off to something like rescue rangers!? Hell will freeze over before I do.
It would definitely be better if all the drama whores, morons, zoophiliacs and Mary-Sues would simply disappear. There is a lot of bullshit in the fandom that just makes others facepalm that I also want to disappear.
I don't know where that 100,000+ furries figure comes from. I have seen furries (and by this, I mean the furfag variant, not the sane variant.) themselves say that the fandom is composed of around 50,000 furs. And that just makes it an obscure online group that borders on being some kind of cyber-porn cult that the average person knows nothing about. If they ever get mainstream attention, I assure you, it will be negative and ostracize them from sane people even more. :)
"I don't know where that 100,000+ furries figure comes from. I have seen furries (and by this, I mean the furfag variant, not the sane variant.) themselves say that the fandom is composed of around 50,000 furs."
Then some furry may have lied to me about the actual membership numbers. But then most of them lie about a lot of things.
They do in fact lie about a lot of things. I will bet a lot of furfags that claim to be married and/or have kids are lying. Hell, a furfag supporter has recently lied about having a $500K Norwegian lawyer, and he is threatening to take me to the Feds for trollan on the internet! Oh noes! LAWLSUIT!
ultrafag sucks cock because? he likes mad dick in and around his mouth. he also likes dick in and around his anus. also he thinks he's an air traffic controller. here's my suggestion to ultradouchebag how about you find your own interest? love it or hate it! go see ultraforge. he loves cock. all around his ass. also he loves furries.
I see that you're going through almost all of my videos, TJFAGGIE...even the ones that aren't about juggalos. Kind of obsessive of you. Also makes you quite trollable. I may have to share you with the other trolls, since you want to be a lulzcow. lol!
Fun Fact: Roy Disney wanted porn/sex in Talespin to shut up the FCC for runining the programing during the 1990s, hence why Starrywood Star Kitten is a slut and the air pirates didn't harm women when captured (for reasons due to sex) and why the show was heavly edited for the dvd we have now
If Walt didin't like porn than why did he keep those hidden messages in his movies instead of changing them?
Call Bob Iger for more info before you state your facts
"When Walt Disney celebrated his 35th birthday in 1936, it seems as if some of the animators had their idea of an ideal "birthday present:" Videlicet, a privately-produced short cartoon showing Mickey and Minnie in sexually-suggestive positions, privately screened at the party in question.
The which Walt didn't take too kindly to, going so far as to fire all involved and ordering the destruction of all known prints."
around the 1990s when toon disney was around, Roy wanted to step up the stories and such, example, Talespin, therefore adding things that were semi adult related, but the FCC (Family Control Center) put there foot down saying that it was innaporate for kids. Walt disney of France, Japan, and Don Bluth reacted by continuing their work, which even though suceeded, ended up being the least known show for its edits and croping out suggestive stuff when finalized
To this day, many old fans who lived around the 1990s aggresivily demand that they put back the unedited stuff to make the show feel more open and widespread for every age, not just for kids. This includes the suggestive stuff and things that trolls/religous people despise (either by a woman/man action, bis, or just sluts runing around)
remember, disney is also pro-bisexual and supports gay rights by sponsering 1 day out of a year for gay couples to get free acess to disney park
acaulty i wasn't kidding, my family knows that day when we used to live in america, me and my partner got a free day there on all the rides and stuff was half off
but then again, everything today is about money, even its been stated that cartoon network will no longer show cartoons but live action drama shows to appeal to teens
"So what? Maybe it`s part of our fandom even without yiff?"
you obviously aren't reading the other comments. One furry who commented here said that the a-list furries who head up the cons don't claim Disny, etc. as part of the fandom.
Also, Disney existed before your fandom ever got started.
When you go to places with furry art it's already sometimes split up into categories of clean art and porn, so there's no point in splitting up the furry fandom into two groups. If we actually split the fandom into smaller pieces it will only create 2 years worth of e-drama and faggotry.
was about the art of the human, pornographic (yes, nudity, brief or blunt is still pornographic.) or not. Are you going to ostracize him? Nah. I might be going a little bit out of argument, but those are my thoughts for the time being.
If I seem a little wishy-washy, my train of thought isn't very good. I'm sick.
Well ultraforge and I live in the USA... I'm sorry to narrow it down to one country, but this video didn't talk about all of the furries around the globe...
At least I don't think so... :| It's been a while ever since I've watched this video.
I honestly don't give a shit about Disney "Within the furry fandom"
I think that the anthropomorphic characters were geared more towards children other than furries. Characters that are anthropomorphic fit in the furry category, which wasn't even a concept until 1980's... Disney was in the 1920's.... Of course Disney wasn't marketed towards furry fandom. The gap within the dates is too huge.
But, furry fandom is about the art of anthropomorphic animals, pornographic, or not. Michelangelo->
not really, Talespin had breif sexual themes, hugh amounts of gunplay, and a main target for the FCC's control on saying kids are going to be brainwashed.
disney may not be marketed towards a one group, but it helped form alot of them
it was cut out by the FCC for being too voilent/brainwashing/large amoutns of gunplay/child abuse/racist, i've asked Bob Iger and he said that back then it was free before the Family Control Center got ahold of it
example : Kitten from an episode in hollywood from Talespin is shown in a suggestive manner, often making comments regarding to men in suggestive ways, showing her body off, basically something tramps do
don't know who did it, maybe a passing by person, happens alot
This video is a no-brainier. Furries that claim disney is part of the fandom are clearly not using their God given brain. Yiff are hentai and porn are the same but in differnet ways, yiff are for furries, hentai are for anime lovers and we all know about what porn is.
... Can people draw animal anthropes without being called furfans? I mean, I didn't know there were people who thought Disney was at all devoted to this fandom
god your full of shit HOW DO OYU KNOW WALT DISNEY WOULDNT PROMOTE THIS SHIT! HE WOULN'T DO SEXUAL SHIT PLUS 100,000 IS A ROUGH ESTIMATE THERES MANY PEOPLE WHO WOULD GIVE A FLYING FUCK LESS ABOUT FURRYS AND OTHERS WHO WOULD LIKE IT. you know captain nazi shit head. HEY! BTW your late for your cross burning BETTER GET YOUR WHITE CLOAK!
i am quite surprised the furries didn't retaliate by proclaiming the /b/ patrons were pedos. seems like an obvious comeback to me. i doubt that the furries would have the intellectual capacity to think of that. i used to be a mild patron of /b/ - it's gone to complete shit now
Furries who yiff shouldn't even call themselves furries. It is not what the fandom is about. Also, the points you are talking about in the first part of your video are true yes but why have a problem with us having an interest in those characters? Just accept it. If you want to create your own fandom go for it.
"but why have a problem with us having an interest in those characters?"
I'm not against furries having an interest in those Disney characters. I'm simply against furries claiming that Disney is part of the fandom, because some have claimed that it is. Like them all you want but recognize that Disney is outside of your fandom.
"If you want to create your own fandom go for it."
lol! I'm not going to create a fandom. That is the choice of some ex-furries. I've never been a furry.
The latest one to make such a claim on my channel was a guy by the name of BallToBallBears. They do it from time to time, even if the A-list furries don't.
Cool. But just disregard what I said about calling it the "Fuzzy Fandom". It turns out that a group of admitted zoophiles used to call themselves "fuzzies". so to avoid confusion, I suggest you think of a name other than the one I suggested.
I believe the perverted furries can be summed up in one phrase; crazy people with a crazy fetish. The ones that aren't into that crap are just people with an interest, a very strange and weird interest. An interest I would never have, ever.
the fuzzy fandom fails so bad. lol.If you (clean furs) really care about what other people say. (which is really shallow, actually) just dont claim you're a furry. say you're interested in anthro themes and save all the drama. >:
"shut their mouths like good little cultists and blindly support the status quo of your fandom? Dude, that's not a real fandom. That's a dogmatic belief system."
Not neccesarily >_> because somebody could be saying bullshit about the theme just to get reactions.
Just because someone does not want to be seen as part of something, does not mean that they are shallow. You see, not to make any implications but some people think a little deeper than that it's not always about the opinions of others, it's about one's dignity. Some people have standards. These people think that yiff art is wrong and as a result they don't associate themselves with people that do. I'm sure there are plenty gray areas here, but for the most part that's how it is. (more)
Calling it shallow is simply not fair since it's the same reason you probably wouldn't want to be seen naked in a public area or with a group of nudists. If you see that as wrong then of course you wouldn't want that association. (This is directed to
"These people think that yiff art is wrong and as a result they don't associate themselves with people that do."
the guy with brown hair and glasses, voltage something made a video saying he didnt want to be on the fandom because he didnt want to be labeled like someone who likes yiff or bestiality. I'd have believed what you said if he had stopped being a furry when he found out about yiff, not now that he made a fuss about it because other people told him. >_>
"the fuzzy fandom fails so bad. lol.If you (clean furs) really care about what other people say. (which is really shallow, actually) just dont claim you're a furry. say you're interested in anthro themes and save all the drama."
From my experience, most clean furs like myself aren't clean because we care what people think of us, we're clean simply because... Well... Because we are. We're just not into the perversion end of it.
Yeah, not saying ALL of you are, hehe. ^^; I like anthro art a lot, and i like a lot of people in the fandom, but im not going to leave the group because some people in it like something i dont that i really dont have to know about it >_>.
Sorry guy, I think you limp-wristed this troll. Not your best work, I couldn't relate to anything you said here.
Every dichotomy you mention here I simply never see. I talk with many who run the larger panels at cons or with a major fanbase, they don't have any idea what you're talking about in your video.
Before, you trolled deviant individuals who did really stupid things, and attracted morons who put up lame defenses, that was fun. Now I don't know what you're doing at all.
lolwut? Srsly, I've seen furries claim everything from Disney anthros to ancient Egyptian deities(Bast, Anubis) as part of the fandom. Fact is, anthropomorphic animals existed as a concept long before the furry fandom was declared.
Scifi existed before the scifi fandom. Same with anime, fantasy, etc. The furry fandom is a group of people who are fans of those anthropomorphic characters, from the kitsune of japan to the stories of spider in africa to the native american tales of coyote the trickster. The furry fandom is a group of people who are fans of those things (discounting the technicalities of the subculture attributes) Could you explain what you mean a little more Ultraforge?
No argument there. Let's turn your sentence around a bit: "Furries have existed in one form or another for thousands of years, for example since the ancient Egyptian Bast and Anubis." People everywhere today express their affinity for anthropomorphics through Disney and Don Bluth characters, puppets sold at book stores, or maybe an occasional doodle. Serious fans may delve into novels, artwork, and costuming. Some even hold therianthropic religious beliefs.
"People everywhere today express their affinity for anthropomorphics through Disney and Don Bluth characters, puppets sold at book stores, or maybe an occasional doodle."
And you don't have to join the furry fandom to do any of these things. Never did. Sorry but the furry fandom doesn't have a lockdown on the concept of anthros.
Well, you wanted me to attack a specific point, let's start here. I disagree that furries believe the fandom has any "lockdown". Any A-listers I meet just say, I'm doing this (points to artwork), and if people like it fine.
Who's talking like this? I don't think I'd like to meet them, and I don't think anyone who runs the conventions wants to either.
It's something furries sometimes say from time to time when they're losing. Most recently, BallToBallBears claimed Disney and LitaKuragari even went so far as to claim Raptor Jesus(a /b/tard meme) as part of the fandom.
Again, I think you limp-wristed this troll. It's like you opened a World Book encyclopedia article on the Shriners, read it out loud, and stopped after every paragraph to say "and that's why they're drunks and racists". This doesn't piss anyone off, it just makes people scratch their heads and wonder what you're doing.
ultraforge, young furs can disslike it all they whant, aslong as they dont fucking meddle with it! all i say is let it be what it is, dont fight why, just ignore it if ya dont like it. and if some young furs have taken actually damage of it i doubth. if so then it aint the yiff, theres simply more to it mh?
"all i say is let it be what it is, dont fight why, just ignore it if ya dont like it."
In other words shut their mouths like good little cultists and blindly support the status quo of your fandom? Dude, that's not a real fandom. That's a dogmatic belief system.
"and if some young furs have taken actually damage of it i doubth."
Oh? I've got some comments from teenage furs themselves that speak otherwise. They we were warped by your fandom and you adult furs simply stood and watched.
you call us a cult yet your the one who preaches - DESTROY ALL YOU DONT LIKE ! NOMATTER HOW MENNY THAT LIKE IT DESTROY IT CUZ U DONT LIKR IT! - this is why i normally dont give a fuck what you trolls have to say, since you reason like soicopaths. go ahead and obliterate yiff, and when its gone. all the adult furs will hate the young furs, btw im saveing that comment below, you admit you wanna destory the fandom.
"yet your the one who preaches - DESTROY ALL YOU DONT LIKE ! NOMATTER HOW MENNY THAT LIKE IT DESTROY IT CUZ U DONT LIKR IT!"
No, I never said that, Bloodstorm01. If all you can do is vomit up strawman argument fallacies at this point, consider yourself to have lost this debate.
Or perhaps in your nerd rage, you myopically misread my comment.
no i read between the lines ultraforge, your honestly below me, im done wasteing time on you. live in peace, die in pain - like i care, becouse your life was in vain.
Speaking of Alternatives to "Fandoms", after letting a bunch of my more intelligent Juggalo friends watch your videos (which they all loved as well, for the record) we've decided to do the same thing. We've decided there needed to be a group within the Juggalo culture that consist of Juggalos that are not pot-smoking, drop-out idiots. We don't have a name yet, but we have crap loads of members!
Wait a minute, UltraFroge. What's the point of this video? It comes off like you're trying to help us. Doesn't this contradict what you told me through PMs?
I am not sure what he sent you in the pms. But to the best of my knowledge Ultraforge has never truly been against us furs. His videos have always seemed more fatherly to me. Confused the piss outa me at first. I have a feeling ultraforge has our best interests in heart.
"I have a feeling ultraforge has our best interests in heart."
Well, not exactly. Furries tend to think I'm out to save the fandom or I'm out to destroy it. I actually don't care if the fandom survives because it isn't mine. What I'm out to do is state my opinions and watch who gets pissed off at me the most. Some furries are mature enough to listen with an open mind. But my actual lulz come from the ones that freak out at what I have to say.
Paxilrose and you, once said in the comments of another video that originally you were critics and only took the troll mantle because you were repeated labeled as such. I feel critic is a better title for you. You may get Lulz from the reactions but I feel your videos seem to put fixing the problems that you see on a higher level of importance. That may simply be furry naivete on my part but it is how I feel nonetheless.
exactly. im a fur, but i take pleasure in watching all the people (both outside and inside the fandom) get real worked up about it. it makes me laugh at just how retarded people can be. please note i am not going against you (lol i haven't even watched teh video, just read comments)but to this point i just tend to let what people say about me go, because it doesnt make any sense for people to go and take what sometimes people say about an entire fandom to heart. they try to defend an entiregroup
I was arguing with a furfag on my channel who said that Raptor Jesus is a scaly, a type of furry. I told him that that isn't true, because Raptor Jesus is simply a raptor head on a human body. It is not a true animal that is anthropomorphic. Of course, you are correct, and I corrected myself on my channel. Just because something is an anthropomorphic animal like Bugs Bunny, doesn't mean that it is a "furry" or that the furry fandom has a monopoly on it.
"Just because something is an anthropomorphic animal like Bugs Bunny, doesn't mean that it is a "furry" or that the furry fandom has a monopoly on it."
Exactly. Anthrpomorphic animals existed way before the furry fandom was ever declared.
Exactly, Disney and Warner makes this for all people and not only for the furry fandom. Whoever said this, is a moron. You know, I WANT a new fandom and once I get a webcam, I will say some stuff about this idea. Anyway, that was a great critique. Keep up the good work, so as we do (the anthropomorphic artists).
"Exactly, Disney and Warner makes this for all people and not only for the furry fandom. "
I'm willing to say those companies don't intend any of their work to be enjoyed by furries, it's just a byproduct. I've seen people actually claim Disney, Warner and Co. actually make the films FOR furries, and that children just happen to be an audience as well.
By "what", you mean. In this case, "what" being observed behavior, watchful. Srsly, who do you think wrote this cult-like uber-tolerance and acceptance custom into the fandom? Insecure perverts who are afraid of being judged, of course. I'm not even joking. They pretty much control your fandom.
Actually, they did not write it. It existed first, then they showed up and took advantage of it. I have met the "pervert who has no where else to go" types before. Met one at my first con. He said he was there simply because it was the only place he was not hated.
Most of the furry fandom is the nerdy, fat, rejected kids who were treated like shit and rejected by there peers for being different. Originally the tolerance policy was born out of that, the memories of being bullied for being fat, nerdy, socially inept. They figure being tolerant to differences was a good thing. Not judgeing someone based on race religion, gender, orientation, social prestige etc.
But then perverts came in and found hospice under that ideology. There presence was like a plague that could infect and warp others around. Furries due to the origins as "rejects" are highly susceptible to corruption. I have seen babyfurs PRAISE one another and socially reward those with the most depravity within their groups. Being human you want acceptance and young furs can be extremely desperate for that acceptance.
But again due to there origins most furs are broken spirits, they are not fighters. It is so much easier to turn your head away and ignore the problem than face it. Many furs have broken away and left the fandom as is trying to create there own, this makes matters even worse, giving the perverts more free range. I respect voltage, if more furs were like him our fandom would be a much better place than it is now.
There is also a monetary problem with the artists as well. My father is an artist spent all his life drawing art, clean art. Desperate for money he broke down and drew some stuff for an adult comic company. For the first time in his life he was actually making money from his art. I feel one problem with the fandom is what it is making. I think it needs to move away from still art to more comic and animation style art.
For someone to like a piece of art it has to DO something for you, entertain you inspire you, fill you with an emotion, or turn you on. Sadly the easiest thing a picture can do is give you a boner(fuck mother nature). That is why we need more story based art in the form of comics and animation. People will read clean comics and watch clean animation, but getting them to enjoy clean art is a bitch and a half.
I feel your "separating the fandom idea" is a bad one. A lot of furs have ran away already and created there own group (therians anyone) all that it accomplishes is making the fandom more perverse. Having a fandom for perverts is not a good idea especially since it is strongly established. There is a lot more money running around than you think ultraforge. It would be much better to drive the perverts out of the fandom then eventually out of wherever they run till until they are mostly gone.
The furry fandoms tolerance policy plus it being established causes it to be a huge sirens call to the rejected people of the world regardless of them being perverts or not. These people are vulnerable and will inevitably be corrupted. If all the clean fur eject and create there own fandom a bigger problem will form. You would have to destroy the old fandom before the corruption snowballs out of control.
Being established like it is destroying it will not be easy and the new fandom being related will suffer as well. People will inevitably see the new fandom as the same as the old one. The young fandom will have to be diligent to defend there space from the furverts as well as society. I feel the only "good" option is to encourage furs like voltage and try to get more of the clean furs to drop there apathy.
I feel that something should be done to promote cleaner artists. Make it easier to find the good furry webcomics and illustrated comics as well as the animations. I believe more places need to be created for clean furs to hang out and socialize so they can avoid the whole "bleck!" that is everywhere in the fandom.
You do know you just called our fandom nerdy? So you're saying the trolls are right? So it's emo? I'm not trying to be funny. Well, excuse me but I joined because I had an interest in anthro. I guess you could say it was from being a werewolf fan. I came across the fandom later. But I didnt join because I was a nerd, reject or something. If they did join for that reason, then they need to leave.
So what if you got picked on in school? Too bad. We all have our problems and demons to deal with. Its not like youre some addict that has to go to rehab or AA. If you got picked on; deal with it! That is pathetic if you cant let go of the past. Crying over it is not going to fix what happened to you. You got to press on forward and roll with the changes. Dont go looking for other people who dwell on their misfortune, also. Life is short and people spend it sulking about. I cant believe it.
In rehab, you stay in rehab until you are ready you suppress your addiction. If they joined the fandom for a support group-like-thing, and havent left? Then that is sad. At least drug addicts and alcoholics eventually leave the group. They go on with their lives.
These peeps are rejected by main society when younger, for the first time in there lives they find people who they can be happy with in the fandom. Why would you leave your friends you made? What would you get from cutting off the bonds you make within the fandom? Besides it is still a fandom so theres things to enjoy even with your fixxed problem, there is no reason to leave.
ArcLightFox, I know already. This was based off of my observations and the observations of others a good chunk of it came from Uncle Kage himself, Dr. Samuel Conway. "to understand the fandom you must not ask who we are but who we were. We were the fat kids the kids with thick glasses, the kids who for somereason were rejected from our peers. The kids whose only friends were the smiling faces on their saturday cartoons." -Dr. Conway anthrocon 2008.
Emo? Not quite, I have a hypothesis the the emo subculture, juggalo subculture, and furry subculture are derived from the same type of people, and that the problems in those subcultures are merely symptoms of the problems of our main culture. I believe if the problems in the main culture were to be fixed the problems in the 3 subcultures would straighten themselves out.
I do not know, there is quite a bit of info I left out. I would have to make an entire series of videos to cover everything. This subject goes very deep, the fandoms nature allows you to see some very complex workings of the human mind. It is not nearly as simple as many people think. But as you have said everything on the internet is pointless, why would I spend my effort on something that will come to naught? Would it even help anyone? I do not know what to do....
First part of the video - Who ever said these companies make stuff for furries? That's the first i've ever heard someone speak of it. It's just a large common interest.
Second part - I'll use 4chan as an example. Most of the channers there from what i've seen, like hentai. (lolyiff?) Does that mean someone will make a clean-chan? Anyhow, Forge, you only associate with the yiff likers and the haters, never the mid-point, so don't pose ideas. :P
"Who ever said these companies make stuff for furries?"
A lot of you.
"Most of the channers there from what i've seen, like hentai."
I never said other forms of cancer weren't present on 4chan. However, yiff actually takes all of the worst fetishes on 4chan and elsewhere and adds them to anthropomorphic animals.
Depends on what you mean by hentai. I've seen hentai used to describe everything from lolicon to tentacle sex.
A lot of what people mean when they talk about hentai is stuff for sick fucks. There is a lot of sick shit in the anime world, I won't deny it. However, anime fans also get trolled for it. The difference between furries and hentai fans is that the furries tend to react with more fanaticism when trolled. Hentai fans are somewhat more likely to let it roll off their backs.
You know, I've been waiting for a troll to tell the anti-furverts(myself included) that they aren't furries. And you know what else? I fuckin' love your idea of a yiff free fandom. Ultraforge, YOU ARE A GENIUS!!!
"I have reason to disagree since I've seen teenagers warped by yiff while you adult furries NEGLECT to tell them "Hey, you're too young for this stuff" while at the same time telling other young furries who dislike yiff "Keep your damn mouths shut or we'll blackball you"."
Because Trolls can handle what others have to say about them.
Yiff is accepted because normal people accept Porn.
ZEDW1 11 months ago
This guy is awesome.
ihatefurrys 11 months ago
Who cares if they aren't part of the fandom. Theres porn outside of furrys you know. YIff is not a main part of furry fandom. Trolls shouldn't circle around yiff there are a huge amount of furrys that aren't perverts. Furry fandom isn't about yiff yiff is a part of it. Note:I am not a furvert. I'm happy you don't say all furrys are yiffers. But I must say yiff is only in some parts of the fandom. But still RESPECT to you even though you said furry fandom is all about yiff.
TheNarutohokage472 1 year ago
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TheNarutohokage472 1 year ago
wise words there, mate
but hating on gays is not okay, really
blutfrosch 1 year ago
So wait, I think I'm thinking of the wrong thing here, please correct me cause I'd like to know, But what if you make one of these costumes, but it has nothing to do with sexual stuff or whatever else you're talking about, Cause there are some people that make these costumes and don't do that stuff, like they just do it cause they make costumes. Would they be considered a furry?
Skullatoran 1 year ago
It seem sir you are arguing on somthing that cannot be fixed. Yes disney does not support the furry fandom but disney does not also support people that hate things. so what im trying to say here is why hate? I bet it makes you feel all happy inside that you can now have an argument with me but I as a furry find ths video halarious.
cooljoe494 1 year ago
Disney dosn't put sex in there shit? really? xD
Kalahridudex 1 year ago
I liked the part of the video where he actually made a point
Chilldarkwaterlion 2 years ago
but heals can't crit
papasmurf135790 2 years ago
dude. ppl can like diney characters. furries or not FURRIES LIKE ANIMALS!!!!
bewareofthefingo 2 years ago
They say Walt Disney himself fired someone for drawing yiff.
gonz4e 2 years ago
Xblox 3sexteeeeeeee.
xDEADLOCKEDx2468 2 years ago
i guess im not a real fury or a full on furry hmm makes sense
SGTFERRET11 2 years ago
and i dont yiff
SGTFERRET11 2 years ago
no i dont mind keep saying it it makes me laugh
SGTFERRET11 2 years ago
lol failwolf still thinks otherwise
kylord95 2 years ago
I love free speach.
rowdyguy5 2 years ago
...Might be a bit bias here? I mean... jacking off to star fox and rescue rangers? isn't that I bit much?
Now don't get me wrong. I agree with most of what you say... But a "true" (Majority) Furry that is one that is just scary in what they can jack off to... isn't that a bit much? I mean who could POSSIBLY jack off to something like rescue rangers!? Hell will freeze over before I do.
neosyonic 2 years ago
Lots of people I know who are furrys claim to be "nice, not perevert, and talented." O RLY?
HitmanRioluOwnsYou 2 years ago
Eh.... gotta let it out sometime. ^^ Can't blame a guy for having a boner.
AjaxtheWerewolf 2 years ago
It would definitely be better if all the drama whores, morons, zoophiliacs and Mary-Sues would simply disappear. There is a lot of bullshit in the fandom that just makes others facepalm that I also want to disappear.
chrisdragon 2 years ago
I don't know where that 100,000+ furries figure comes from. I have seen furries (and by this, I mean the furfag variant, not the sane variant.) themselves say that the fandom is composed of around 50,000 furs. And that just makes it an obscure online group that borders on being some kind of cyber-porn cult that the average person knows nothing about. If they ever get mainstream attention, I assure you, it will be negative and ostracize them from sane people even more. :)
PineSolSolvent 2 years ago
"I don't know where that 100,000+ furries figure comes from. I have seen furries (and by this, I mean the furfag variant, not the sane variant.) themselves say that the fandom is composed of around 50,000 furs."
Then some furry may have lied to me about the actual membership numbers. But then most of them lie about a lot of things.
ultraforge 2 years ago
They do in fact lie about a lot of things. I will bet a lot of furfags that claim to be married and/or have kids are lying. Hell, a furfag supporter has recently lied about having a $500K Norwegian lawyer, and he is threatening to take me to the Feds for trollan on the internet! Oh noes! LAWLSUIT!
Successful troll is successful, amirite?
PineSolSolvent 2 years ago
Yeah, very successful. what he fails to realize is that the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that trolling was considered free speech.
What's this furfag's username?
ultraforge 2 years ago
The cretin's username is velcro18. I also have a screenshot of the lulzcow's threat on my channel. LOL!
PineSolSolvent 2 years ago
I saw lol. Winrar.
ultraforge 2 years ago
1-up for ultrawise :D
Visser0x 2 years ago
There Are Already subdivisions of the furry fandom.
FaeIan 2 years ago
The old Hand Drawn Animations.
FaeIan 2 years ago
ultrafag sucks cock because? he likes mad dick in and around his mouth. he also likes dick in and around his anus. also he thinks he's an air traffic controller. here's my suggestion to ultradouchebag how about you find your own interest? love it or hate it! go see ultraforge. he loves cock. all around his ass. also he loves furries.
TJLUVIE 2 years ago
@TJLUVIE
I see that you're going through almost all of my videos, TJFAGGIE...even the ones that aren't about juggalos. Kind of obsessive of you. Also makes you quite trollable. I may have to share you with the other trolls, since you want to be a lulzcow. lol!
ultraforge 2 years ago
You are so articulate. A true modern poet.
KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva 2 years ago
best face at 2:22 lol
20108024 2 years ago
Ugh! I look like a caveman in that frame.
ultraforge 2 years ago
ya gotta admit its kinda funny lol
20108024 2 years ago
Do I mind anthromorphs? Nah. Am I a furry? FUUUCK NOO.
Gahagafaga 2 years ago
"Live with it or die from it" needs to be on a shirt. That's some roll-right-off-the-tip-of-your-tongue kinda shit.
Love the videos, man! Keep'em coming!
ElZomboFantasma 2 years ago
ROTFL i guess this video was made to provoke Dumb Furries..XD
Disney =/= Furry Fandom..
The truth has been revealed guys XD!
Sumenora 2 years ago
Fun fact: Walt Disney fired quite a few of employees for making Mickey and Miney porn.
JohnnyUndaunted 2 years ago
lol! That's good to know.
ultraforge 2 years ago
@JohnnyUndaunted
Fun Fact: Roy Disney wanted porn/sex in Talespin to shut up the FCC for runining the programing during the 1990s, hence why Starrywood Star Kitten is a slut and the air pirates didn't harm women when captured (for reasons due to sex) and why the show was heavly edited for the dvd we have now
If Walt didin't like porn than why did he keep those hidden messages in his movies instead of changing them?
Call Bob Iger for more info before you state your facts
BalooDumptruck 2 years ago
From Uncle John's Bathroom Reader:
"When Walt Disney celebrated his 35th birthday in 1936, it seems as if some of the animators had their idea of an ideal "birthday present:" Videlicet, a privately-produced short cartoon showing Mickey and Minnie in sexually-suggestive positions, privately screened at the party in question.
The which Walt didn't take too kindly to, going so far as to fire all involved and ordering the destruction of all known prints."
JohnnyUndaunted 2 years ago
while that may be for walt,
around the 1990s when toon disney was around, Roy wanted to step up the stories and such, example, Talespin, therefore adding things that were semi adult related, but the FCC (Family Control Center) put there foot down saying that it was innaporate for kids. Walt disney of France, Japan, and Don Bluth reacted by continuing their work, which even though suceeded, ended up being the least known show for its edits and croping out suggestive stuff when finalized
BalooDumptruck 2 years ago
To this day, many old fans who lived around the 1990s aggresivily demand that they put back the unedited stuff to make the show feel more open and widespread for every age, not just for kids. This includes the suggestive stuff and things that trolls/religous people despise (either by a woman/man action, bis, or just sluts runing around)
remember, disney is also pro-bisexual and supports gay rights by sponsering 1 day out of a year for gay couples to get free acess to disney park
BalooDumptruck 2 years ago
"remember, disney is also pro-bisexual and supports gay rights by sponsering 1 day out of a year for gay couples to get free acess to disney park"
I hope you're kidding.
They do that to tap into a marketing niche, that's all. The Disney company today is one of money, not moral commentary.
Mind, that's to say that I'd disagree with it if it were a moral commentary; bisexuality FTW! (Bring on the thumb-downs!!)
TheKitXune 2 years ago
*that's not to say
TheKitXune 2 years ago
**Homosexuality/bisexuality FTW!
Two corrections? I'm really off my game today.
TheKitXune 2 years ago
acaulty i wasn't kidding, my family knows that day when we used to live in america, me and my partner got a free day there on all the rides and stuff was half off
but then again, everything today is about money, even its been stated that cartoon network will no longer show cartoons but live action drama shows to appeal to teens
BalooDumptruck 2 years ago
Everything has always been about money not just today...
stopthrm 2 years ago
So what? Maybe it`s part of our fandom even without yiff?
BlueRivaly 2 years ago
"So what? Maybe it`s part of our fandom even without yiff?"
you obviously aren't reading the other comments. One furry who commented here said that the a-list furries who head up the cons don't claim Disny, etc. as part of the fandom.
Also, Disney existed before your fandom ever got started.
ultraforge 2 years ago
When you go to places with furry art it's already sometimes split up into categories of clean art and porn, so there's no point in splitting up the furry fandom into two groups. If we actually split the fandom into smaller pieces it will only create 2 years worth of e-drama and faggotry.
YellowCitra 3 years ago
was about the art of the human, pornographic (yes, nudity, brief or blunt is still pornographic.) or not. Are you going to ostracize him? Nah. I might be going a little bit out of argument, but those are my thoughts for the time being.
If I seem a little wishy-washy, my train of thought isn't very good. I'm sick.
HerGuardianAngel1991 3 years ago
Nudity is not porn, only in USA simple nudity is considered porn.
horizonhold 2 years ago
Well ultraforge and I live in the USA... I'm sorry to narrow it down to one country, but this video didn't talk about all of the furries around the globe...
At least I don't think so... :| It's been a while ever since I've watched this video.
HerGuardianAngel1991 2 years ago
I honestly don't give a shit about Disney "Within the furry fandom"
I think that the anthropomorphic characters were geared more towards children other than furries. Characters that are anthropomorphic fit in the furry category, which wasn't even a concept until 1980's... Disney was in the 1920's.... Of course Disney wasn't marketed towards furry fandom. The gap within the dates is too huge.
But, furry fandom is about the art of anthropomorphic animals, pornographic, or not. Michelangelo->
HerGuardianAngel1991 3 years ago
@HerGuardianAngel1991
not really, Talespin had breif sexual themes, hugh amounts of gunplay, and a main target for the FCC's control on saying kids are going to be brainwashed.
disney may not be marketed towards a one group, but it helped form alot of them
BalooDumptruck 2 years ago
it's been years since I've last seen talespin... I never remember seeing brief sexual things at all.
I love how i was thumbed down, when I agreed on most of the things UltraForge said.
HerGuardianAngel1991 2 years ago
it was cut out by the FCC for being too voilent/brainwashing/large amoutns of gunplay/child abuse/racist, i've asked Bob Iger and he said that back then it was free before the Family Control Center got ahold of it
example : Kitten from an episode in hollywood from Talespin is shown in a suggestive manner, often making comments regarding to men in suggestive ways, showing her body off, basically something tramps do
don't know who did it, maybe a passing by person, happens alot
BalooDumptruck 2 years ago
i would join the "fuzzy fandom" and telling people to "fuck off" is awesome!
Kalahridudex 3 years ago
No offence taken, Forge. If I did take offence to that then I would be no better than Wolfee or Tamias.
NotAHappyDragon 3 years ago 2
This is dumb as hell....
Epic fail.
WoWsuckes 3 years ago
Dropped on your head, were you?
6Lord6Kaos6 3 years ago
This video is a no-brainier. Furries that claim disney is part of the fandom are clearly not using their God given brain. Yiff are hentai and porn are the same but in differnet ways, yiff are for furries, hentai are for anime lovers and we all know about what porn is.
deadlyseven 3 years ago
... Can people draw animal anthropes without being called furfans? I mean, I didn't know there were people who thought Disney was at all devoted to this fandom
BeautifulSnake1993 3 years ago
@BeautifulSnake1993
not really, a person can draw one but there not called it, but if you deicate your life to darw something, then yes
BalooDumptruck 2 years ago
yes furrys are nasty
they keep to themselfs they ignore my insults
they have fun ignoreing us furrys are bad people
god your full of shit HOW DO OYU KNOW WALT DISNEY WOULDNT PROMOTE THIS SHIT! HE WOULN'T DO SEXUAL SHIT PLUS 100,000 IS A ROUGH ESTIMATE THERES MANY PEOPLE WHO WOULD GIVE A FLYING FUCK LESS ABOUT FURRYS AND OTHERS WHO WOULD LIKE IT. you know captain nazi shit head. HEY! BTW your late for your cross burning BETTER GET YOUR WHITE CLOAK!
btw insult me ill still be a furfag^w^
sddragon28 3 years ago
i am quite surprised the furries didn't retaliate by proclaiming the /b/ patrons were pedos. seems like an obvious comeback to me. i doubt that the furries would have the intellectual capacity to think of that. i used to be a mild patron of /b/ - it's gone to complete shit now
cober555 3 years ago
he did not jows
kentuckyboychris 3 years ago
i like hentai yiffy art
kentuckyboychris 3 years ago
Furries who yiff shouldn't even call themselves furries. It is not what the fandom is about. Also, the points you are talking about in the first part of your video are true yes but why have a problem with us having an interest in those characters? Just accept it. If you want to create your own fandom go for it.
FurryForever1 3 years ago
"but why have a problem with us having an interest in those characters?"
I'm not against furries having an interest in those Disney characters. I'm simply against furries claiming that Disney is part of the fandom, because some have claimed that it is. Like them all you want but recognize that Disney is outside of your fandom.
"If you want to create your own fandom go for it."
lol! I'm not going to create a fandom. That is the choice of some ex-furries. I've never been a furry.
ultraforge 3 years ago
I have never heard of a furry claiming that disney is a part of the fandom...
FurryForever1 3 years ago
The latest one to make such a claim on my channel was a guy by the name of BallToBallBears. They do it from time to time, even if the A-list furries don't.
ultraforge 3 years ago
They are clueless I must say...
FurryForever1 3 years ago
yes
i will create a new fandom...
you have inspired me sir
CHRISTHERACCOON 3 years ago
"yes
i will create a new fandom..."
Cool. But just disregard what I said about calling it the "Fuzzy Fandom". It turns out that a group of admitted zoophiles used to call themselves "fuzzies". so to avoid confusion, I suggest you think of a name other than the one I suggested.
ultraforge 3 years ago
I believe the perverted furries can be summed up in one phrase; crazy people with a crazy fetish. The ones that aren't into that crap are just people with an interest, a very strange and weird interest. An interest I would never have, ever.
MSK120 3 years ago 5
in during comments drama
VoltageControlled 3 years ago
I have to admit your voice contains an ounce of epicness, but it's countered by your intrawebz e-peen and your "intrawebz badass team"
StefanIsAThief 3 years ago
Oh god now wolfie's gonna have a shit fit.
And your quite right about the whole clean fur crap..
Anthrax4000 3 years ago 2
First off, I'm not really anti-yiff, but I don't like it either. I just sorta turn a blind eye to it. In short, I just don't care.
I do like the idea of being in a separate fandom from it, though.
TheKitXune 3 years ago
5 stars this is a good idea and gets yiff out anyway
SUPERMAD2012 3 years ago
the fuzzy fandom fails so bad. lol.If you (clean furs) really care about what other people say. (which is really shallow, actually) just dont claim you're a furry. say you're interested in anthro themes and save all the drama. >:
"shut their mouths like good little cultists and blindly support the status quo of your fandom? Dude, that's not a real fandom. That's a dogmatic belief system."
Not neccesarily >_> because somebody could be saying bullshit about the theme just to get reactions.
clcl1109 3 years ago
Just because someone does not want to be seen as part of something, does not mean that they are shallow. You see, not to make any implications but some people think a little deeper than that it's not always about the opinions of others, it's about one's dignity. Some people have standards. These people think that yiff art is wrong and as a result they don't associate themselves with people that do. I'm sure there are plenty gray areas here, but for the most part that's how it is. (more)
Johnstarkvonharken 3 years ago
Calling it shallow is simply not fair since it's the same reason you probably wouldn't want to be seen naked in a public area or with a group of nudists. If you see that as wrong then of course you wouldn't want that association. (This is directed to
clcl1109 by the way.)
Johnstarkvonharken 3 years ago
"These people think that yiff art is wrong and as a result they don't associate themselves with people that do."
the guy with brown hair and glasses, voltage something made a video saying he didnt want to be on the fandom because he didnt want to be labeled like someone who likes yiff or bestiality. I'd have believed what you said if he had stopped being a furry when he found out about yiff, not now that he made a fuss about it because other people told him. >_>
clcl1109 3 years ago
"the fuzzy fandom fails so bad. lol.If you (clean furs) really care about what other people say. (which is really shallow, actually) just dont claim you're a furry. say you're interested in anthro themes and save all the drama."
From my experience, most clean furs like myself aren't clean because we care what people think of us, we're clean simply because... Well... Because we are. We're just not into the perversion end of it.
TheKitXune 3 years ago
Yeah, not saying ALL of you are, hehe. ^^; I like anthro art a lot, and i like a lot of people in the fandom, but im not going to leave the group because some people in it like something i dont that i really dont have to know about it >_>.
clcl1109 3 years ago 2
Sorry guy, I think you limp-wristed this troll. Not your best work, I couldn't relate to anything you said here.
Every dichotomy you mention here I simply never see. I talk with many who run the larger panels at cons or with a major fanbase, they don't have any idea what you're talking about in your video.
Before, you trolled deviant individuals who did really stupid things, and attracted morons who put up lame defenses, that was fun. Now I don't know what you're doing at all.
ShroomPicker2000 3 years ago
lolwut? Srsly, I've seen furries claim everything from Disney anthros to ancient Egyptian deities(Bast, Anubis) as part of the fandom. Fact is, anthropomorphic animals existed as a concept long before the furry fandom was declared.
ultraforge 3 years ago
Scifi existed before the scifi fandom. Same with anime, fantasy, etc. The furry fandom is a group of people who are fans of those anthropomorphic characters, from the kitsune of japan to the stories of spider in africa to the native american tales of coyote the trickster. The furry fandom is a group of people who are fans of those things (discounting the technicalities of the subculture attributes) Could you explain what you mean a little more Ultraforge?
Reckanin 3 years ago 2
No argument there. Let's turn your sentence around a bit: "Furries have existed in one form or another for thousands of years, for example since the ancient Egyptian Bast and Anubis." People everywhere today express their affinity for anthropomorphics through Disney and Don Bluth characters, puppets sold at book stores, or maybe an occasional doodle. Serious fans may delve into novels, artwork, and costuming. Some even hold therianthropic religious beliefs.
ShroomPicker2000 3 years ago
"People everywhere today express their affinity for anthropomorphics through Disney and Don Bluth characters, puppets sold at book stores, or maybe an occasional doodle."
And you don't have to join the furry fandom to do any of these things. Never did. Sorry but the furry fandom doesn't have a lockdown on the concept of anthros.
ultraforge 3 years ago
Well, you wanted me to attack a specific point, let's start here. I disagree that furries believe the fandom has any "lockdown". Any A-listers I meet just say, I'm doing this (points to artwork), and if people like it fine.
Who's talking like this? I don't think I'd like to meet them, and I don't think anyone who runs the conventions wants to either.
ShroomPicker2000 3 years ago
"Who's talking like this?"
It's something furries sometimes say from time to time when they're losing. Most recently, BallToBallBears claimed Disney and LitaKuragari even went so far as to claim Raptor Jesus(a /b/tard meme) as part of the fandom.
ultraforge 3 years ago
Again, I think you limp-wristed this troll. It's like you opened a World Book encyclopedia article on the Shriners, read it out loud, and stopped after every paragraph to say "and that's why they're drunks and racists". This doesn't piss anyone off, it just makes people scratch their heads and wonder what you're doing.
ShroomPicker2000 3 years ago
Um, shroom... this stuff actually does piss some people off.
Anthrax4000 3 years ago
"It's like you opened a World Book encyclopedia article on the Shriners..."
I disagree. And could you be a little less general in your critique by adressing some of the specific points I made?
"This doesn't piss anyone off"
lol! You haven't been reading Bloodstorm01's comments.
ultraforge 3 years ago
Good work /b/rother these sick fucks tried to get me B& lulz.
ry9999 3 years ago
ultraforge, young furs can disslike it all they whant, aslong as they dont fucking meddle with it! all i say is let it be what it is, dont fight why, just ignore it if ya dont like it. and if some young furs have taken actually damage of it i doubth. if so then it aint the yiff, theres simply more to it mh?
Bloodstorm01 3 years ago
"all i say is let it be what it is, dont fight why, just ignore it if ya dont like it."
In other words shut their mouths like good little cultists and blindly support the status quo of your fandom? Dude, that's not a real fandom. That's a dogmatic belief system.
"and if some young furs have taken actually damage of it i doubth."
Oh? I've got some comments from teenage furs themselves that speak otherwise. They we were warped by your fandom and you adult furs simply stood and watched.
ultraforge 3 years ago
you call us a cult yet your the one who preaches - DESTROY ALL YOU DONT LIKE ! NOMATTER HOW MENNY THAT LIKE IT DESTROY IT CUZ U DONT LIKR IT! - this is why i normally dont give a fuck what you trolls have to say, since you reason like soicopaths. go ahead and obliterate yiff, and when its gone. all the adult furs will hate the young furs, btw im saveing that comment below, you admit you wanna destory the fandom.
Bloodstorm01 3 years ago
hey bloodstorm
say hi to your dog woody for me
oh wait
killyourselfANHEROS 3 years ago 3
"yet your the one who preaches - DESTROY ALL YOU DONT LIKE ! NOMATTER HOW MENNY THAT LIKE IT DESTROY IT CUZ U DONT LIKR IT!"
No, I never said that, Bloodstorm01. If all you can do is vomit up strawman argument fallacies at this point, consider yourself to have lost this debate.
Or perhaps in your nerd rage, you myopically misread my comment.
ultraforge 3 years ago
no i read between the lines ultraforge, your honestly below me, im done wasteing time on you. live in peace, die in pain - like i care, becouse your life was in vain.
Bloodstorm01 3 years ago
Goddamn, make some fucking sense vaginastorm. Can you make ONE sentence of perfectly grammatical English?
TheNeoswordmaster77 3 years ago 2
Speaking of Alternatives to "Fandoms", after letting a bunch of my more intelligent Juggalo friends watch your videos (which they all loved as well, for the record) we've decided to do the same thing. We've decided there needed to be a group within the Juggalo culture that consist of Juggalos that are not pot-smoking, drop-out idiots. We don't have a name yet, but we have crap loads of members!
Whozanerd 3 years ago 2
Anthro fandom. Or something like that. That would be better suited.
LtFang299 3 years ago 2
hmm
skullore 3 years ago
Wow, lots of comments. Ridiculous almost.
LtFang299 3 years ago
Wait a minute, UltraFroge. What's the point of this video? It comes off like you're trying to help us. Doesn't this contradict what you told me through PMs?
watchfulstorm 3 years ago
I am not sure what he sent you in the pms. But to the best of my knowledge Ultraforge has never truly been against us furs. His videos have always seemed more fatherly to me. Confused the piss outa me at first. I have a feeling ultraforge has our best interests in heart.
Reckanin 3 years ago
"I have a feeling ultraforge has our best interests in heart."
Well, not exactly. Furries tend to think I'm out to save the fandom or I'm out to destroy it. I actually don't care if the fandom survives because it isn't mine. What I'm out to do is state my opinions and watch who gets pissed off at me the most. Some furries are mature enough to listen with an open mind. But my actual lulz come from the ones that freak out at what I have to say.
ultraforge 3 years ago
Paxilrose and you, once said in the comments of another video that originally you were critics and only took the troll mantle because you were repeated labeled as such. I feel critic is a better title for you. You may get Lulz from the reactions but I feel your videos seem to put fixing the problems that you see on a higher level of importance. That may simply be furry naivete on my part but it is how I feel nonetheless.
Reckanin 3 years ago
exactly. im a fur, but i take pleasure in watching all the people (both outside and inside the fandom) get real worked up about it. it makes me laugh at just how retarded people can be. please note i am not going against you (lol i haven't even watched teh video, just read comments)but to this point i just tend to let what people say about me go, because it doesnt make any sense for people to go and take what sometimes people say about an entire fandom to heart. they try to defend an entiregroup
dethwulf15 3 years ago
Good point, a second fandom...
Hell, I'm a damn spider that punches people who even whisper the word Yiff...
MortisDrakulNoctem 3 years ago
oh gawd halp meh.
xXDarkMidnightSunXx 3 years ago
I was arguing with a furfag on my channel who said that Raptor Jesus is a scaly, a type of furry. I told him that that isn't true, because Raptor Jesus is simply a raptor head on a human body. It is not a true animal that is anthropomorphic. Of course, you are correct, and I corrected myself on my channel. Just because something is an anthropomorphic animal like Bugs Bunny, doesn't mean that it is a "furry" or that the furry fandom has a monopoly on it.
michaelthepiggybutt 3 years ago
"Just because something is an anthropomorphic animal like Bugs Bunny, doesn't mean that it is a "furry" or that the furry fandom has a monopoly on it."
Exactly. Anthrpomorphic animals existed way before the furry fandom was ever declared.
ultraforge 3 years ago
2:00 : I can only agree
2:36 : Only true
Exactly, Disney and Warner makes this for all people and not only for the furry fandom. Whoever said this, is a moron. You know, I WANT a new fandom and once I get a webcam, I will say some stuff about this idea. Anyway, that was a great critique. Keep up the good work, so as we do (the anthropomorphic artists).
CharlyDunst 3 years ago
"Exactly, Disney and Warner makes this for all people and not only for the furry fandom. "
I'm willing to say those companies don't intend any of their work to be enjoyed by furries, it's just a byproduct. I've seen people actually claim Disney, Warner and Co. actually make the films FOR furries, and that children just happen to be an audience as well.
paxilrose 3 years ago 2
"I've seen people actually claim Disney, Warner and Co. actually make the films FOR furries, and that children just happen to be an audience as well."
And those people are morons and ignorants.
CharlyDunst 3 years ago 2
"And those people are morons and ignorants."
Ditto
Reckanin 3 years ago
I agree with this.
pierro357 3 years ago
thanks for stating the fucking obvious
vote4boz 3 years ago
LOLOLOL TRUEFURRY ONE STAR THIS
TheNeoswordmaster77 3 years ago
"LOLOLOL TRUEFURRY ONE STAR THIS"
lol! You think he'd be happy at the idea of anti-furverts leaving the fandom.
ultraforge 3 years ago
Why yes, however he IS a big fan of yours, you know.
TheNeoswordmaster77 3 years ago
I'd like to thank Bloodstorm01. He reminded me why I hated the fandom and renewed that hatred in three comments.
PerogiXW 3 years ago
And that's a furry by definition of.... Who?
watchfulstorm 3 years ago
The majority of the internet.
PerogiXW 3 years ago
By "what", you mean. In this case, "what" being observed behavior, watchful. Srsly, who do you think wrote this cult-like uber-tolerance and acceptance custom into the fandom? Insecure perverts who are afraid of being judged, of course. I'm not even joking. They pretty much control your fandom.
ultraforge 3 years ago
Actually, they did not write it. It existed first, then they showed up and took advantage of it. I have met the "pervert who has no where else to go" types before. Met one at my first con. He said he was there simply because it was the only place he was not hated.
Reckanin 3 years ago 2
Remember voltage furry support group video?
Remember the uncle Kage quote?
Most of the furry fandom is the nerdy, fat, rejected kids who were treated like shit and rejected by there peers for being different. Originally the tolerance policy was born out of that, the memories of being bullied for being fat, nerdy, socially inept. They figure being tolerant to differences was a good thing. Not judgeing someone based on race religion, gender, orientation, social prestige etc.
Reckanin 3 years ago
But then perverts came in and found hospice under that ideology. There presence was like a plague that could infect and warp others around. Furries due to the origins as "rejects" are highly susceptible to corruption. I have seen babyfurs PRAISE one another and socially reward those with the most depravity within their groups. Being human you want acceptance and young furs can be extremely desperate for that acceptance.
Reckanin 3 years ago
But again due to there origins most furs are broken spirits, they are not fighters. It is so much easier to turn your head away and ignore the problem than face it. Many furs have broken away and left the fandom as is trying to create there own, this makes matters even worse, giving the perverts more free range. I respect voltage, if more furs were like him our fandom would be a much better place than it is now.
Reckanin 3 years ago
There is also a monetary problem with the artists as well. My father is an artist spent all his life drawing art, clean art. Desperate for money he broke down and drew some stuff for an adult comic company. For the first time in his life he was actually making money from his art. I feel one problem with the fandom is what it is making. I think it needs to move away from still art to more comic and animation style art.
Reckanin 3 years ago
For someone to like a piece of art it has to DO something for you, entertain you inspire you, fill you with an emotion, or turn you on. Sadly the easiest thing a picture can do is give you a boner(fuck mother nature). That is why we need more story based art in the form of comics and animation. People will read clean comics and watch clean animation, but getting them to enjoy clean art is a bitch and a half.
Reckanin 3 years ago
correction: clean still art.
Making a still piece of art that inspires an emotional reaction is not as easy as most think. But creating porn is a piece of cake.
Reckanin 3 years ago
I feel your "separating the fandom idea" is a bad one. A lot of furs have ran away already and created there own group (therians anyone) all that it accomplishes is making the fandom more perverse. Having a fandom for perverts is not a good idea especially since it is strongly established. There is a lot more money running around than you think ultraforge. It would be much better to drive the perverts out of the fandom then eventually out of wherever they run till until they are mostly gone.
Reckanin 3 years ago
The furry fandoms tolerance policy plus it being established causes it to be a huge sirens call to the rejected people of the world regardless of them being perverts or not. These people are vulnerable and will inevitably be corrupted. If all the clean fur eject and create there own fandom a bigger problem will form. You would have to destroy the old fandom before the corruption snowballs out of control.
Reckanin 3 years ago
Being established like it is destroying it will not be easy and the new fandom being related will suffer as well. People will inevitably see the new fandom as the same as the old one. The young fandom will have to be diligent to defend there space from the furverts as well as society. I feel the only "good" option is to encourage furs like voltage and try to get more of the clean furs to drop there apathy.
Reckanin 3 years ago
I feel that something should be done to promote cleaner artists. Make it easier to find the good furry webcomics and illustrated comics as well as the animations. I believe more places need to be created for clean furs to hang out and socialize so they can avoid the whole "bleck!" that is everywhere in the fandom.
Reckanin 3 years ago
You do know you just called our fandom nerdy? So you're saying the trolls are right? So it's emo? I'm not trying to be funny. Well, excuse me but I joined because I had an interest in anthro. I guess you could say it was from being a werewolf fan. I came across the fandom later. But I didnt join because I was a nerd, reject or something. If they did join for that reason, then they need to leave.
ArcLightFox 3 years ago
So what if you got picked on in school? Too bad. We all have our problems and demons to deal with. Its not like youre some addict that has to go to rehab or AA. If you got picked on; deal with it! That is pathetic if you cant let go of the past. Crying over it is not going to fix what happened to you. You got to press on forward and roll with the changes. Dont go looking for other people who dwell on their misfortune, also. Life is short and people spend it sulking about. I cant believe it.
ArcLightFox 3 years ago
In rehab, you stay in rehab until you are ready you suppress your addiction. If they joined the fandom for a support group-like-thing, and havent left? Then that is sad. At least drug addicts and alcoholics eventually leave the group. They go on with their lives.
ArcLightFox 3 years ago
"rehab"
These peeps are rejected by main society when younger, for the first time in there lives they find people who they can be happy with in the fandom. Why would you leave your friends you made? What would you get from cutting off the bonds you make within the fandom? Besides it is still a fandom so theres things to enjoy even with your fixxed problem, there is no reason to leave.
Reckanin 3 years ago
ArcLightFox, I know already. This was based off of my observations and the observations of others a good chunk of it came from Uncle Kage himself, Dr. Samuel Conway. "to understand the fandom you must not ask who we are but who we were. We were the fat kids the kids with thick glasses, the kids who for somereason were rejected from our peers. The kids whose only friends were the smiling faces on their saturday cartoons." -Dr. Conway anthrocon 2008.
Reckanin 3 years ago
Oh, great. You just described a cult...
ArcLightFox 3 years ago
Not me, it was kage who said it.
Reckanin 3 years ago
Emo? Not quite, I have a hypothesis the the emo subculture, juggalo subculture, and furry subculture are derived from the same type of people, and that the problems in those subcultures are merely symptoms of the problems of our main culture. I believe if the problems in the main culture were to be fixed the problems in the 3 subcultures would straighten themselves out.
Reckanin 3 years ago
However it is just a hypothesis.
Reckanin 3 years ago
That was practically a book on the subject, Reckanin. Consider doing an entire video based off it, okay?
ultraforge 3 years ago
I do not know, there is quite a bit of info I left out. I would have to make an entire series of videos to cover everything. This subject goes very deep, the fandoms nature allows you to see some very complex workings of the human mind. It is not nearly as simple as many people think. But as you have said everything on the internet is pointless, why would I spend my effort on something that will come to naught? Would it even help anyone? I do not know what to do....
Reckanin 3 years ago
First part of the video - Who ever said these companies make stuff for furries? That's the first i've ever heard someone speak of it. It's just a large common interest.
Second part - I'll use 4chan as an example. Most of the channers there from what i've seen, like hentai. (lolyiff?) Does that mean someone will make a clean-chan? Anyhow, Forge, you only associate with the yiff likers and the haters, never the mid-point, so don't pose ideas. :P
HyperDarkmoon 3 years ago
"Who ever said these companies make stuff for furries?"
A lot of you.
"Most of the channers there from what i've seen, like hentai."
I never said other forms of cancer weren't present on 4chan. However, yiff actually takes all of the worst fetishes on 4chan and elsewhere and adds them to anthropomorphic animals.
ultraforge 3 years ago
Inquiring minds want to know. What do you think of hentai fans?
ShroomPicker2000 3 years ago
Depends on what you mean by hentai. I've seen hentai used to describe everything from lolicon to tentacle sex.
A lot of what people mean when they talk about hentai is stuff for sick fucks. There is a lot of sick shit in the anime world, I won't deny it. However, anime fans also get trolled for it. The difference between furries and hentai fans is that the furries tend to react with more fanaticism when trolled. Hentai fans are somewhat more likely to let it roll off their backs.
ultraforge 3 years ago
TL;DW
But Disney made some of the best movies when I was a kid. Now the most of the movies they come out with suck ass. =(
Vailwolf 3 years ago
what? You didn't like HSM? But it is sooo hyped up!
ArcLightFox 3 years ago
HSM?
Vailwolf 3 years ago
High School Musical.
ArcLightFox 3 years ago
OH GOD NO! D:
That's the worst out of them all.
Vailwolf 3 years ago
I know. It needs to be burned. I can't believe people would rather that instead of Quarantine.
ArcLightFox 3 years ago
I watched a half hour of the first one, and that was MORE than enough for me.
Vailwolf 3 years ago
You know, I've been waiting for a troll to tell the anti-furverts(myself included) that they aren't furries. And you know what else? I fuckin' love your idea of a yiff free fandom. Ultraforge, YOU ARE A GENIUS!!!
enslavedbydragons 3 years ago 2
Why thank you, sir.
ultraforge 3 years ago
You're very welcome.
enslavedbydragons 3 years ago
omg it's you again!! me good friend, how ya doin'?
dethwulf15 3 years ago
"I have reason to disagree since I've seen teenagers warped by yiff while you adult furries NEGLECT to tell them "Hey, you're too young for this stuff" while at the same time telling other young furries who dislike yiff "Keep your damn mouths shut or we'll blackball you"."
Yep. Agreed completely.
LtFang299 3 years ago
Kiss ass.
watchfulstorm 3 years ago
Butthurt.
TheNeoswordmaster77 3 years ago
calm down. Fang's my friend, I'm jus