The best thing for the modern secession movement in America would be for them to divorce themselves entirely from the Confederate flags
The Confederate states seceded over slavery for goodness sake. They explicitly stated as much to the world - it was over the free states' refusal to enforce The Fugitive Slave Laws!
The modern secession movement is doomed to failure so long as the majority of its proponents wave this symbol.
The north tries to coat it in lies of expanding slavery and ignoring the real issues like the Tariff struggles the south faced the entire time it was in the union.
Well, of course the South had it. The world Bankers wanted to put a central bank there. And the Vatican, maybe the richest institution on earth supported the South. Pope wrote Jefferson Davis letters of support. The Vatican even helped hide the co-conspirators in Lincoln's assassination.
South tried to circumvent the Constitution, by holding on to slavery. And looking at how our presidents bow to the Pope and how oppresive the USA is now, the North would have been fighting the South anyway
It was a Jesuit who wrote the song, "Maryland, My Maryland". Figures a Jesuit would call Lincoln a tyrant.
Outside forces had alot to do with secession. It is sort of like China supporting a few states and them breaking away just because they infiltrated those state's government's deeply.
Also, you need to remember, the PEOPLE OF THE SOUTH never voted to secede. It was the people who ran those governments that voted for secession.
And don't tell me all the 3/5ths people voted against
I'm pretty sure all the "3/5ths" citizens didn't want to secede.
So I know the 3/5ths didn't voted against staying in the Union.
Not all "white" southerners were pro slavery. So you have the slave owners and their slaves adding to the power of the slave owner's vote. While the non pro slavery people in the South, had less voting power. Minus the slaves "3/5ths" vote, which was actually all in the hands of the slave owner, and you have closer votes. SO slaveowners basically were tyrants
sure they did. You need to read up on the Union and why their were so few blacks up north. The south accepted them and love them. Wanted them to move up in society and pursue whatever they wanted. Some Slave owners were black. The first slave owner who owned slaves for life was black. Anthony Johnson. The North and it's Jim Crow laws was hell for a black person.
It is always interesting to me when people point to the 3/5ths of a vote that black slaves counted for as evidence of racial biggotry in the south. Yet, it was the Northern states who imposed that rule so as to diminish Southern rule of the government. Before that rule, each slave counted as 1 vote. So who are the real biggots?
Remember, most southerners did not favor secession. It was a few government officials that decided to secede. Go back, look at the vote totals between Bell vs Breckinridge.
Also, the Pope had alot of influence in the attempted secession, evidenced by leters to Jefferson.
Do you like the USA the way it is now? If you vote Democrat, you vote for a guy that will appoint nothing but catholics to offices. If you vote Republican, you vote for a guy that appoints nothing but catholic to offices.
Welcome to what the South was really gonna become. They put a central bank in the South. You like the Federal Reserve?
That is the nature of leadership by democracy, right? Whether or not all wanted to secede is rather moot. To that fact, it was a small group who called for freedom from England. Should we turn back the clock and submit to England on those same grounds. Slavery was acceptable to England as was indentured servitude.
By ignoring my larger point on racism, I conclude that you cede the argument on that ground.
if they weren't slaves, they wouldve been given a full vote.
Was it Bigottry by the North? 3/5ths? THat is a ridiculous arguement. They are either fully human (which also means they are people created by God with inalienable rights) or they aren't. It was a comprimise the North made, since the South wanted to keep slavery.
Is it fair for someone to be able to tell millions how they will vote?
Our government was not about putting power in the hands of a few. Too much like a King.
If they weren't slaves they would have been given a full vote? Based on what evidence? A compromise by the North? Ummm... What saints they must have been to discount human beings making them less than a full human for power.
Is it fair for slave owners to vote for their slaves? Seems we've had that debate.
Check the history, pal. Lincoln freed slaves only in lands where he had no control. Slavery was not completely abolished in the north until after the civil war. Hypocrites.
Bell vs Breckinridge, just look at the vote totals. This proves that most of the south didn't want secession. We are suppose to have a representative form of government.
Also, this war was about more than just freeing slaves. Samuel Morse wrote books and articles about a foreign conspiracy against the United States, basically that the vatican was trying to take over America. Even in the 1830s, they were starting to control the media.
The Pope's support of Jefferson Davis proves this more.
Yes it was you are not being rational. The north wanted an all white nation. Lincoln adamantly expressed his want for an all white west and the eventual deportation of black people. He would be appalled at the state of the US today. Think about it, the south was home to 9 million Americans, diminishing that number increases northern influence. Cutting out 2/5's greatly diminished the ability of the south to win politically. In 1860 only 7,400,000 votes could be counted out of 9,000,000.
The north didn't give free blacks the full vote. Read Illinois and Indianas late antebellum state constitutions these are the most anti-black the US has ever had.
That is how a republic works. The people supported their states. The legislatures were the direct representation of their respected peoples. Unlike today if the south didn't really wanna leave they would have just thrown out their governments. The north and the south butted heads on every issue because the south was agricultural and the north had industrialized in the late 18th and early 19th centuries. What you are saying makes no sense. The citizens of those states put those people in office.
no as much as it pains me to say slavery was protected by the constitution and the proposed Lincoln supported original 13th amendment reinforces that. The war was over the boundary of the federal Government. Jefferson Davis and the confederate cabinet said that if slavery was an impediment to independence it would be done away with. The early US is the story of a power struggle.
I really wanted Texas to secede. It was about time we got rid of them. We would have made D.C. a state in order to keep the number of stars at 50. Too bad it didn't happen. and damn you, Abe Lincoln! You ruined it for us Yanks some 144 years ago. You should have let those slave holding assholes have it their way. Damn you, General Grant.
I'll have to check her out. and I'll have to check out the book, This nation would be screwed if Texas was ever to secede. Texas in my opinion would flourish better than the rest of the nation put together.
I'm hoping that we can leave the union without bloodshed, but with our army doing drills in American towns, I'm uncertain, we have the largest most blood-thirsty military in the world. I think when the federal government starts to go broke from it's own monetary policy, the states will strike out on their own.
I agree with you completely except that it´s not ´´our´´ military since it doesn´t serve us. It´serves DC imperialists and the corporate elite-fascists who direct the Empire. They have 800 military bases around the planet - which certainly doesn´t serve our interests.
states have the right to secede for sure and the time may come when that may be necessary but at this time it would absolutely be suicide to do such a thing,,,the strength of individual states dwells within the collective union of all states,,seceding should be looked upon as an absolute last option,,because it never comes easy and history has proven blood is most always shed in the process.,the collective voice of the people sends a much stronger message to DC than secession,at this time anyway
Thanks man. I apprecite it. That's a great book. I read it about 10 years or so ago, I guess and it got me involved in the effort to liberate us. Stay strong and Deo Vindice.
district of columbia act of 1871 created a corporate CON-stitution to CON the people due to bankrupty and reorganization
ziggy784 2 months ago
The best thing for the modern secession movement in America would be for them to divorce themselves entirely from the Confederate flags
The Confederate states seceded over slavery for goodness sake. They explicitly stated as much to the world - it was over the free states' refusal to enforce The Fugitive Slave Laws!
The modern secession movement is doomed to failure so long as the majority of its proponents wave this symbol.
1stLtDavis 1 year ago
@1stLtDavis and that is a prime example of what BS is being taught to people now day... get your stuff straight.
jclark300 3 months ago
@jclark300 you clearly are either a government provocateur, or simply don't want the secession movements in the South to succeed.
1stLtDavis 3 months ago
The north tries to coat it in lies of expanding slavery and ignoring the real issues like the Tariff struggles the south faced the entire time it was in the union.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
The civil war was about money!! THe south had it the north wanted it.
angie112277 2 years ago
Well, of course the South had it. The world Bankers wanted to put a central bank there. And the Vatican, maybe the richest institution on earth supported the South. Pope wrote Jefferson Davis letters of support. The Vatican even helped hide the co-conspirators in Lincoln's assassination.
South tried to circumvent the Constitution, by holding on to slavery. And looking at how our presidents bow to the Pope and how oppresive the USA is now, the North would have been fighting the South anyway
LiquidSmooth 2 years ago
It was a Jesuit who wrote the song, "Maryland, My Maryland". Figures a Jesuit would call Lincoln a tyrant.
Outside forces had alot to do with secession. It is sort of like China supporting a few states and them breaking away just because they infiltrated those state's government's deeply.
Also, you need to remember, the PEOPLE OF THE SOUTH never voted to secede. It was the people who ran those governments that voted for secession.
And don't tell me all the 3/5ths people voted against
LiquidSmooth 2 years ago
I'm pretty sure all the "3/5ths" citizens didn't want to secede.
So I know the 3/5ths didn't voted against staying in the Union.
Not all "white" southerners were pro slavery. So you have the slave owners and their slaves adding to the power of the slave owner's vote. While the non pro slavery people in the South, had less voting power. Minus the slaves "3/5ths" vote, which was actually all in the hands of the slave owner, and you have closer votes. SO slaveowners basically were tyrants
LiquidSmooth 2 years ago
sure they did. You need to read up on the Union and why their were so few blacks up north. The south accepted them and love them. Wanted them to move up in society and pursue whatever they wanted. Some Slave owners were black. The first slave owner who owned slaves for life was black. Anthony Johnson. The North and it's Jim Crow laws was hell for a black person.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
Ironic how America has been brainwashed
defenderoFreedom 2 years ago
It is always interesting to me when people point to the 3/5ths of a vote that black slaves counted for as evidence of racial biggotry in the south. Yet, it was the Northern states who imposed that rule so as to diminish Southern rule of the government. Before that rule, each slave counted as 1 vote. So who are the real biggots?
duaneaj1 2 years ago
Remember, most southerners did not favor secession. It was a few government officials that decided to secede. Go back, look at the vote totals between Bell vs Breckinridge.
LiquidSmooth 2 years ago
Also, the Pope had alot of influence in the attempted secession, evidenced by leters to Jefferson.
Do you like the USA the way it is now? If you vote Democrat, you vote for a guy that will appoint nothing but catholics to offices. If you vote Republican, you vote for a guy that appoints nothing but catholic to offices.
Welcome to what the South was really gonna become. They put a central bank in the South. You like the Federal Reserve?
It was way more than about slavery
LiquidSmooth 2 years ago
That is the nature of leadership by democracy, right? Whether or not all wanted to secede is rather moot. To that fact, it was a small group who called for freedom from England. Should we turn back the clock and submit to England on those same grounds. Slavery was acceptable to England as was indentured servitude.
By ignoring my larger point on racism, I conclude that you cede the argument on that ground.
duaneaj1 2 years ago
if they weren't slaves, they wouldve been given a full vote.
Was it Bigottry by the North? 3/5ths? THat is a ridiculous arguement. They are either fully human (which also means they are people created by God with inalienable rights) or they aren't. It was a comprimise the North made, since the South wanted to keep slavery.
Is it fair for someone to be able to tell millions how they will vote?
Our government was not about putting power in the hands of a few. Too much like a King.
LiquidSmooth 2 years ago
If they weren't slaves they would have been given a full vote? Based on what evidence? A compromise by the North? Ummm... What saints they must have been to discount human beings making them less than a full human for power.
Is it fair for slave owners to vote for their slaves? Seems we've had that debate.
Check the history, pal. Lincoln freed slaves only in lands where he had no control. Slavery was not completely abolished in the north until after the civil war. Hypocrites.
duaneaj1 2 years ago
Bell vs Breckinridge, just look at the vote totals. This proves that most of the south didn't want secession. We are suppose to have a representative form of government.
Also, this war was about more than just freeing slaves. Samuel Morse wrote books and articles about a foreign conspiracy against the United States, basically that the vatican was trying to take over America. Even in the 1830s, they were starting to control the media.
The Pope's support of Jefferson Davis proves this more.
LiquidSmooth 2 years ago
Yes it was you are not being rational. The north wanted an all white nation. Lincoln adamantly expressed his want for an all white west and the eventual deportation of black people. He would be appalled at the state of the US today. Think about it, the south was home to 9 million Americans, diminishing that number increases northern influence. Cutting out 2/5's greatly diminished the ability of the south to win politically. In 1860 only 7,400,000 votes could be counted out of 9,000,000.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
The north didn't give free blacks the full vote. Read Illinois and Indianas late antebellum state constitutions these are the most anti-black the US has ever had.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
That is how a republic works. The people supported their states. The legislatures were the direct representation of their respected peoples. Unlike today if the south didn't really wanna leave they would have just thrown out their governments. The north and the south butted heads on every issue because the south was agricultural and the north had industrialized in the late 18th and early 19th centuries. What you are saying makes no sense. The citizens of those states put those people in office.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
no as much as it pains me to say slavery was protected by the constitution and the proposed Lincoln supported original 13th amendment reinforces that. The war was over the boundary of the federal Government. Jefferson Davis and the confederate cabinet said that if slavery was an impediment to independence it would be done away with. The early US is the story of a power struggle.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
"The South Was Right!" is probably the best book i've ever read. Deo Vindice!
FreeDixie09 2 years ago
I really wanted Texas to secede. It was about time we got rid of them. We would have made D.C. a state in order to keep the number of stars at 50. Too bad it didn't happen. and damn you, Abe Lincoln! You ruined it for us Yanks some 144 years ago. You should have let those slave holding assholes have it their way. Damn you, General Grant.
iakny 2 years ago
Appreciate the shout out brother..
I'll have to check her out. and I'll have to check out the book, This nation would be screwed if Texas was ever to secede. Texas in my opinion would flourish better than the rest of the nation put together.
FatherJudgement 2 years ago
I'm hoping that we can leave the union without bloodshed, but with our army doing drills in American towns, I'm uncertain, we have the largest most blood-thirsty military in the world. I think when the federal government starts to go broke from it's own monetary policy, the states will strike out on their own.
rayme4raw 2 years ago
I agree with you completely except that it´s not ´´our´´ military since it doesn´t serve us. It´serves DC imperialists and the corporate elite-fascists who direct the Empire. They have 800 military bases around the planet - which certainly doesn´t serve our interests.
RedShirtArmy 2 years ago
states have the right to secede for sure and the time may come when that may be necessary but at this time it would absolutely be suicide to do such a thing,,,the strength of individual states dwells within the collective union of all states,,seceding should be looked upon as an absolute last option,,because it never comes easy and history has proven blood is most always shed in the process.,the collective voice of the people sends a much stronger message to DC than secession,at this time anyway
vigilantvillan 2 years ago
yes I agree and hopefully it will never come to that. But if a state votes to leave, they SHOULD be allowed to leave peacefully, without bloodshed
defenderoFreedom 2 years ago
Thanks man. I apprecite it. That's a great book. I read it about 10 years or so ago, I guess and it got me involved in the effort to liberate us. Stay strong and Deo Vindice.
RedShirtArmy 2 years ago
i think you live right near my school.
thmsvrgs 2 years ago
you look like a professor!!
MickeyDee1984 2 years ago
I am. Medical field anyway :-p
defenderoFreedom 2 years ago