sad part is that almost all the people that seen this video probably haven't heard of Monty Love... I actually played a basement show with those guys and they are fucking awesome.. they headlined this event, yet know one knows them...
if you buy brand new's single of at the bottom (its like carolina blue) it has at the bottom and a studio version of this song that is absolutely amazing!!
haha.. yeah this is weak on there part.. theyve done way better.. but everybody has bad days unless your some prog band or something so w.e. its a fall back to their 'emoer' days.. and the girl having an asma attack is really fucking annoying
man, all i can think about is how terrible this set is. not for the reason that jesse, and kevin didn't do a good job of performing.. it's just all the stupid girls at this show. don't they get it? god.. give it up.
Kevin is such a cool, down to earth dude in person. i chatted with him a bit during his last us tour with manchester orch and dead confederate. great shows.
watching jesse and kevin live fills me with so much emotion. joy and tragic sadness and a feeling of understanding and finally belonging-i just want to meet them so badly
I love when people bitch about Jesse's singing on Brand New's live videos because their ears are so used to the masses of bands using autotune or american idol cock sucking idiots who don't give a shit about the music outside of performing and scoring poontang because of it.
I really liked your video and your channel. If you need any help getting this video or channel exposed I use a site called tubeviews.(net) It has really helped like 20 of my main videos get to the top in position. God Bless!
Girl between 1:22-1:27 and 1:46-1:47! I met you at the Indy show! Where that poor girl was trampled. You were with two of your friends and you had gone to like 47 Brand New shows. How weird that I found you on youtube.
haha yeah. Lol she must like have this video as her homepage and whenever pplz come to her house she just brags about how shes on youtube and knows all the lyrics
I'll admit it that Jesse has some iffy performances but I think it's important to look at why. When you give it everything you got every night your voice is gonna die and so during the tour his voice usually breaks for awhile. He can sing well, just not every night haha
I know you'll come in the night like a thief, but I've had some time alone, to hone my lying technique, I know you think that I'm someone you can trust, but I'm scared I'll get scared and I swear I'll try and nail you back up.
You people have nothing better to do. You think she annoys Kevin for being a fan? He defends her and loves her and appreciates her more than you. No, I'm not her, but she's a fantastic friend of mine and she has more heart and dedication than anyone here making fun of her because of her weight. She's just singing along... music actually MEANS something to people and can cause emotions to burst out. But you people have no heart and no emotion won't understand that.
This is directed towards anyone who has agreed with Deathmullet14.
This song is about so much more than some chick in the front row. Who cares if she's overweight?
If that is distracting you from the real meaning of this song, you are shallow person. I really don't think that Jesse or Kevin were distracted by her. And I really don't think Jesse saw her and said, "Oh. This song means nothing now." Grow up.
You don't even deserve to listen to this music. Go listen to Paris Hilton.
Listening to this song makes my stomach hurt, because the thought and the passion put into it is too much for me to handle. But thats just what I think. BN's music changed me forever.
Anyways, my buddy and i just threw together this cover of Brand New's "Untitled 02" from the "F_ght _ff y_r d_m_ns" demos and put it on our video page so if anyone wants to check that out and let us know what you think, thatd be awesomeeeee =].
(just click our name and it should be the first video)
would you suck it in, and say to your self, dont be that girl in the brand new video! no you wouldnt, because you're tough enough to not cry, ever, you've never cried. fuck you. you're all dicks. man up pussy.
i really cant wait for these replys. lets go! come on!
yea sick man! learn respect for other people, and eat shit. thats my friend. and you're all assholes. find me, ill kill you, you cunt.
oh and another thing, jesus christ, is her favorite song, and so what, she got emotional during it. what gives you the right to make fun of that? what if it was your favorite song, and it made you emotional?
oh yea yo! dude! yo dude! brand new video! lets make fun of some girl! EAT SHIT. don't come on the internet, acting like you know everything. Obv, she is in love with brand new, and prob has been longer than you have. IT'S A SHOW. She can sing as loud as she wants. deal with it. what, so you guys dont sing along? oh sick! what? do you guys dance it up to brand new! and practice with your american nightmare 7inch playin in your room!
I know this might sound dumb, but every time I watch this video I get scared that the fat girl is eating the lyrics as she sings them and I'll never be able to listen to the song again...
shes the type of girl who will go up to the merch counter and even though they dont have her size, she'll buy the L and pack herself into it like a can of play doh. buttcrack showing and all.
on another note, while I don't hate kevin devine, I don't know that i love him. He seems to be fred maraschino to john nolan. not that he's replaced vin, but its weird that vinny wasnt playing on this song.
i don't know if it's the recording or what but Jesse's voice is way too dominant here.
not that i don't like it, i think when he's performing he's going for that raspy raw voice and not sucking as so many believe, just saying that it's a shame you can barely hear Kevin's super voice :(
The fat chickXD
johncraw21 4 months ago
Personally I think this is some of Jesse's best singing live. Fantastic.
ChablesMan 7 months ago
Sorry, but where are you getting this information from Telecasterpunk? I must've missed the boat on this one.
brandnewbysink 8 months ago
9 people seem to prefer that new judas song. and im okay with that because i know im going to heaven.
DiscoballHerpes 9 months ago
sad part is that almost all the people that seen this video probably haven't heard of Monty Love... I actually played a basement show with those guys and they are fucking awesome.. they headlined this event, yet know one knows them...
MrDavidHays 9 months ago
9 people are atheists.
BALLHEAD619 10 months ago
@BALLHEAD619 Jesse is an atheist dumbass.
Telecasterpunk 9 months ago
@Telecasterpunk i was joking DUMBASS.
BALLHEAD619 9 months ago
@Telecasterpunk Jesse is not an atheist.
sweetsolitude99 7 months ago
I wish you could see who thumbs downed so you could badger them.
OLaPrecia 1 year ago
I have decided to play this song at open mic night at my university so amazing people will be like wow wtf jessey lacey ftw
Garretterony 1 year ago
i like this version better than the original studio vs live the live is so raw an awesome compared to the studio that u can easily tell they edit
Garretterony 1 year ago
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Garretterony 1 year ago
god this is fuckin cool.
diavylux 1 year ago
What happened in the beginning when Jesse touched Kevin and like jumped back? i think its kinda cute how his leg shot up. Hah hah.
psyco4lp 1 year ago
this is beautiful
christianapongourou 1 year ago
@christianapongourou without a doubt one of the best songs they've ever written.
joshdaweskazxx 1 year ago
Man the lyrics are so deep. A dude struggling with his relationship with Jesus(God) and realizing what he is to some extent. Just crazy how deep.
unspokenchamp 1 year ago
dude, kevin. calm down.
BoobieNewbie 1 year ago
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misterpine 1 year ago
hail satan
crapper 1 year ago
if you buy brand new's single of at the bottom (its like carolina blue) it has at the bottom and a studio version of this song that is absolutely amazing!!
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weareoxygen 2 years ago
haha.. yeah this is weak on there part.. theyve done way better.. but everybody has bad days unless your some prog band or something so w.e. its a fall back to their 'emoer' days.. and the girl having an asma attack is really fucking annoying
orwin90 2 years ago
this version of jesus christ is simply godly.. does anyone know if there is a studio version of this exact version?
1757045771M3 2 years ago
man, all i can think about is how terrible this set is. not for the reason that jesse, and kevin didn't do a good job of performing.. it's just all the stupid girls at this show. don't they get it? god.. give it up.
k0pk1lla 2 years ago
@k0pk1lla especially the chubby ones
opafaf 1 year ago
Kevin is such a cool, down to earth dude in person. i chatted with him a bit during his last us tour with manchester orch and dead confederate. great shows.
linoleum665 2 years ago
Personally, Circa Survive and Brand New are my two all time favorite bands.. it's very possible to love both.
Chrissyisbombtoo 2 years ago 5
i like ur style man both my fav bands too not to mention modest mouse and say anything
lilsuggy13 1 year ago
God, jesse lacey is my hero. Hate how the only show closest to me is sold out. >:(
LyddJ 2 years ago 2
you shouldave acted mad soon on the presales. I feel bad for you....personally im going to 3 shows in a row baha.
petr1991 2 years ago
watching jesse and kevin live fills me with so much emotion. joy and tragic sadness and a feeling of understanding and finally belonging-i just want to meet them so badly
itslizzayyyy 2 years ago
oh hell yeah!.
thats all i have to say.
CoheedHero 2 years ago 2
I love when people bitch about Jesse's singing on Brand New's live videos because their ears are so used to the masses of bands using autotune or american idol cock sucking idiots who don't give a shit about the music outside of performing and scoring poontang because of it.
Supaduck0 2 years ago 44
@Supaduck0 i know what you mean. i hate that too.
psyco4lp 1 year ago
what the fuck when did this happen and why did i miss it.
grzadadon5029 2 years ago
Great song 5/5
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BrianCabot 2 years ago
two of the hottest guys on earth right hereee
TARAANDTHEBAND 2 years ago
Girl between 1:22-1:27 and 1:46-1:47! I met you at the Indy show! Where that poor girl was trampled. You were with two of your friends and you had gone to like 47 Brand New shows. How weird that I found you on youtube.
hammah91 2 years ago
i would kill to see this show
they're both amazing artists
kas22591 2 years ago
theres me in the background drinking
:)
dankie 2 years ago
can they form a band? now?
XDmoney0203X 2 years ago
personally i dont really like this version very much.
its still a great song though.
SuperAniZach 3 years ago
true. seems like kevin is p. diddy riding on notorious b.i.g.'s coattails. i hope jesse doesn't die.
danaganooc 2 years ago
jesse and kevin could bathe in mustard and they would still be sexy.
Canrizzle 3 years ago 3
Jesse was wise in making Devine the first signed on his label.
veloriumcaptain 3 years ago
the beginning of something great
mikevsthebus 3 years ago
Jesse looks like a drug dealer..
lol.
But, they did well on this, for the two of them.
:]
Revivalrocks 3 years ago
lol that girl is moving her jaw WAYYYY too much hahaha she's annoying me actually. i liked this performance.
ForeheadShavecut 3 years ago 4
lol soo true. haha what is she doing? that cant be singing :P
walkingintothewild 3 years ago
She's showing off that she knows all the lyrics.
lastcontagiousvictim 2 years ago
haha yeah. Lol she must like have this video as her homepage and whenever pplz come to her house she just brags about how shes on youtube and knows all the lyrics
walkingintothewild 2 years ago
they make an awesome cover of this song at the show in Jackson
theredneck3 3 years ago
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i just saw them about a month ago
and i feel like jesse is a little inconsistent live :/
mmk090 3 years ago
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fuck you, seriously.
jacobien47 3 years ago
caaalm down
ive been listening to them forever
im pretty sure i can have my own opinion of them live
mmk090 3 years ago
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nope
jacobien47 3 years ago
good one
mmk090 3 years ago
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yep
jacobien47 3 years ago
I'll admit it that Jesse has some iffy performances but I think it's important to look at why. When you give it everything you got every night your voice is gonna die and so during the tour his voice usually breaks for awhile. He can sing well, just not every night haha
TheCutUps 3 years ago
true.
mmk090 3 years ago
haha the chubby girl shows her face again
dmxrydedie4 3 years ago 3
wow....people in the audience needed to shuddup
oceansun133 3 years ago
it doesnt even seam like that fat girl know the words lolhaha
austen47 3 years ago
i hate people singing along
that fat chick is annoying.
noolaxboola 3 years ago
I know you'll come in the night like a thief, but I've had some time alone, to hone my lying technique, I know you think that I'm someone you can trust, but I'm scared I'll get scared and I swear I'll try and nail you back up.
Nuentendu 3 years ago
3:30 - 3:55 pretty much breaks my heart
it kinda seemed like kev was off a little bit?
not that i don't think he's amazing, it just wasn't right at a few parts.
ealebaron 3 years ago
I just saw them tonight in Pittsburgh. It was the last night of the tour for Brian Bonz. All three performers were awesome!
Booboojangles 3 years ago
i thought Brian Bonz was kind of creepy, and just well, i didn't enjoy him haha i was at the pittsburgh show as well.
bittersweetheart 3 years ago
Really? Lol. I liked his hair, he reminded me of a teddy bear. You were there too? I probably saw you then, considering how small it was.
Booboojangles 3 years ago 2
haha yeah, i was pretty much dead center, with one-two people in front of me.
bittersweetheart 3 years ago
i was supposed to be thereeee! ;lakjdf;alkjd :[ i'm still kicking myself for missing it. two of my favorite people. right there
justtaylorr 3 years ago 2
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yeah that bitch is got a big booty on her ... i'd hit that ...
jesse and kevin are really quite boring in this video ... the fat girl is pretty much all the action that's happening in this clip
kasra333 3 years ago
i like the girl on the front row.
brilliant song.
depwarza 3 years ago
these two are so great together. i'm so sad i won't be able to see them when they come to SD... in 6 days... :(
McNutterbutter 3 years ago
Wow...that much talking and background noise would never be tolerated where I come from.
deuce145 3 years ago
Kevin is the best!
Krakrock 3 years ago
Jesse Lacey has got such a great voice. This is one of my favourite Brand New songsss :]
JAZXCOREmcrx 3 years ago
You people have nothing better to do. You think she annoys Kevin for being a fan? He defends her and loves her and appreciates her more than you. No, I'm not her, but she's a fantastic friend of mine and she has more heart and dedication than anyone here making fun of her because of her weight. She's just singing along... music actually MEANS something to people and can cause emotions to burst out. But you people have no heart and no emotion won't understand that.
genericinsight 3 years ago
but... shes still fat
kentd512 3 years ago
WORD.
xblondiee 3 years ago
you are a disgusting shallow person. gtf over yourself.
toytrain 3 years ago
jesse lacey looks like chad henne
overunder3 3 years ago 2
Hahahahah you're my new hero for mentioning those two names in the same sentance aha.
rockthetaxisquad1 3 years ago
i love brand new so muchhhh.
the man's intensisty is insane!
insideroom6277 3 years ago
that girl in front it HUGE....i wish i dident have to see her..it ruined the whole song
Deathmullet14 3 years ago
im glad that you said that cause i thought that i was the only one thinking it.
kentd512 3 years ago
Wow. Thats not dickish at all.
So this is what music has come to eh? "Lets judge the girl in the front row for absolutely nothing but her appearance."
And If one person in the crowd can ruin a great song for you two than you should probably go listen to something else.
firetruckgreen 3 years ago 7
haha youre quite the chubby chaser, huh?
kentd512 3 years ago
This is directed towards anyone who has agreed with Deathmullet14.
This song is about so much more than some chick in the front row. Who cares if she's overweight?
If that is distracting you from the real meaning of this song, you are shallow person. I really don't think that Jesse or Kevin were distracted by her. And I really don't think Jesse saw her and said, "Oh. This song means nothing now." Grow up.
You don't even deserve to listen to this music. Go listen to Paris Hilton.
KittyReject 3 years ago 37
Exactly my point. Thank you.
firetruckgreen 3 years ago 3
@KittyReject well said.
lynch03 6 months ago
jesse lacey is beyond beautiful not only PHYSICALLY but vocally too. he's a lyrical genious too.
this is my favorite song!
alyssexy 3 years ago
wow too bad they weren't done playing...
rustandrepair 3 years ago
jesse lacey and kevin devine are gods.
ashleeramone 3 years ago 6
yah jacob right
i wouldnt normally care
but its such a fucking good song
so what if she likes it?
theres so much more meaning in the song
then just a chick singing, too
Williams01492 3 years ago
man the chicks just singing your all sketches, u guys are dicks man that seemed pretty normal to me
jacobien47 3 years ago
"jesus christ" did anybody notice that chick at 1:22? what a creature
socalkevinz 3 years ago 5
aww dude, id slip her a portion! :P
rossmorris 3 years ago
hahahahahahahahaha
dredgman06 3 years ago
fuckin bastard! hahahaha i agree dude :)
andrepuk 3 years ago
I was supposed to see this. I forget now a days why i didnt, but i regret.
FF10code 3 years ago
i wonder what kevin tells jesse to be careful about in the beginning... anyone think they know?
bRaNdYnew42 4 years ago
I fucking love Brand New
santiw616 4 years ago
hella easy song to play though...still really good.
cleanyournose 4 years ago
i could watch this video for hours, jesse lacey is god
samthaman8605 4 years ago 7
That's pretty amazing.
It's like Jesus and Moses standing next to each other.
FreeHealthcareTV 4 years ago 6
more like Jesus and John cause John was Jesus' best friend.
maxizzlefrizzle92 4 years ago 4
Listening to this song makes my stomach hurt, because the thought and the passion put into it is too much for me to handle. But thats just what I think. BN's music changed me forever.
Dejaerikk 4 years ago 6
I completely understand what you are saying.
MykeCS 4 years ago
lol that fat bitch singing made me laugh
MrSamyboi911 4 years ago 5
Ahahahahaha! Priceless
Onthrio 4 years ago
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amazing performance. <3jesse.
Anyways, my buddy and i just threw together this cover of Brand New's "Untitled 02" from the "F_ght _ff y_r d_m_ns" demos and put it on our video page so if anyone wants to check that out and let us know what you think, thatd be awesomeeeee =].
(just click our name and it should be the first video)
mmk, later!
-Brandon
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brand new blowssssss...this shit makes me want to slit my wrists! NOT SILVERSTEIN PPL!
OvenFresh13 4 years ago
go die
sneakypinch 4 years ago 10
agreed
Gwojcik 4 years ago
and the fucking crowd wants to shut up so we can actually hear them
katieftsk 4 years ago
jesse lacey is the best man in the entire world
:)
katieftsk 4 years ago 8
true
NappyHeadedHorse 4 years ago
nooope, that would go to kevin devine. kd trumps jl for sure.
PinkAndGreenTogether 4 years ago
She is still a fucked up cunt.
mrimmer123 4 years ago
Shiiet man chill its just a few comments
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would you suck it in, and say to your self, dont be that girl in the brand new video! no you wouldnt, because you're tough enough to not cry, ever, you've never cried. fuck you. you're all dicks. man up pussy.
i really cant wait for these replys. lets go! come on!
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yea sick man! learn respect for other people, and eat shit. thats my friend. and you're all assholes. find me, ill kill you, you cunt.
oh and another thing, jesus christ, is her favorite song, and so what, she got emotional during it. what gives you the right to make fun of that? what if it was your favorite song, and it made you emotional?
thisisnotryankrueger 4 years ago
oh yea yo! dude! yo dude! brand new video! lets make fun of some girl! EAT SHIT. don't come on the internet, acting like you know everything. Obv, she is in love with brand new, and prob has been longer than you have. IT'S A SHOW. She can sing as loud as she wants. deal with it. what, so you guys dont sing along? oh sick! what? do you guys dance it up to brand new! and practice with your american nightmare 7inch playin in your room!
thisisnotryankrueger 4 years ago
fucking hell that far chick is a freak!!!!!
mrimmer123 4 years ago
Stick it to the uglies!
GChammer 4 years ago
actually it was both Kevin and Jesse's show.
brndnew42 4 years ago
no it wasn't. it was the monty love christmas spectacular that kevin was playing. he just invited jesse to do a couple songs.
stilltheoptimst 4 years ago
Does Jesse sound different to anyone else besides me?
CoRach12 4 years ago
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yeah he does.
brandnizzle217 4 years ago
he does
yksehtkcarcyalp 4 years ago
does anyone else think this too? i like singin along but she is a big sloppy turd!
koolaidians 4 years ago
even from behind the fat, irritating lesbian is doin my head in!
koolaidians 4 years ago
I know this might sound dumb, but every time I watch this video I get scared that the fat girl is eating the lyrics as she sings them and I'll never be able to listen to the song again...
tudsy4 4 years ago
shes so fucking irritating. I hate people like that who try to connect with the performer by doing obnoxious shit like that
kennethjkane 4 years ago
i just lol'd hard at both of these, she's so exaggerated trying to make eye contact with jesse like it'll be love.
god i hope she reads this.
tinyvoices19 4 years ago
shes the type of girl who will go up to the merch counter and even though they dont have her size, she'll buy the L and pack herself into it like a can of play doh. buttcrack showing and all.
on another note, while I don't hate kevin devine, I don't know that i love him. He seems to be fred maraschino to john nolan. not that he's replaced vin, but its weird that vinny wasnt playing on this song.
kennethjkane 4 years ago
I don't think KD is replacing Vinny. At the last show I went to, when the crowd begged for an encore it was just Vinny, a guitar, and a loop pedal.
Amazing if you ask me.
musicellist 4 years ago
At Atlantic city right? i was there too
assdogcat4 4 years ago
Nope. Phoenix on 11/10.
musicellist 4 years ago
Salt Lake? He did the same thing there..
Deadmond 4 years ago
well its not that weird that vinny isnt playing since it was kevins show.
stilltheoptimst 4 years ago
i think from 3:40-4:00 shes having a seizure
kennethjkane 4 years ago 3
i think you all are rude fucks.
she was enjoying herself.
stop being assholes.
conorbear 4 years ago
ur her arent u haha ur gross
fostertylerc 4 years ago
learn how to type and then try and insult someone.
please.
and no, i'm not her. i just think you all are dicks.
conorbear 4 years ago 2
ok say what u want but everyone else who has commented here thinks ur mental and disgusting
fostertylerc 4 years ago
dude learn how to type and stop worrying about what everyone else thinks.
sensedative 4 years ago
how about u get that kids cock out of ur mouth and that learn how to type comment is real original. what fags
fostertylerc 4 years ago
Jesse Lacey <3! 07 tour was so good!
Dejaerikk 4 years ago
i adore jesee's raspy voice-its my fave when he's live-so emotional
slidesRfun 4 years ago
i don't know if it's the recording or what but Jesse's voice is way too dominant here.
not that i don't like it, i think when he's performing he's going for that raspy raw voice and not sucking as so many believe, just saying that it's a shame you can barely hear Kevin's super voice :(
SaoCrazy 4 years ago
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i like both of these gentleman fine and all, but jesse lacey can't sing a lick live.
hohumming 4 years ago
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ive seen bn live, he is below mediocre here.
the whole band is fantastic in concert, but his tone and pitch were way off in this vid.
davidsbass3 3 years ago
Omg i love those two together.
Genius.
brandnewemodork 4 years ago 2
fat chick the front.
awesome.
alexisonfirexo 4 years ago
bahahahahahahah
triciatwostep 4 years ago
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I was at that show - for Monty.
Not for these kiddie-stars
TonySQNS 4 years ago
a rattlesnake should give you head
Klemons12 4 years ago 2
Snakes give the best head
TonySQNS 4 years ago
cobras, def.
davidsbass3 3 years ago
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in an interview jesse lacey said they never practice... you can kinda tell though, he's below mediocre as a musician.
MikeyFlorida 4 years ago
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these guys suck!!!
rta321 4 years ago
jesse lacey is a genius.
sylverx3 4 years ago 7
i am in love.
BeckyBumCheeks 4 years ago 3
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ever read a moron comment and you go 'damn, that guy can suck a big black dick and his parents don't love him that much you think?'
drumblink 4 years ago
haha thats funny
themilkmanwillcome 4 years ago
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ever hear a song and you go 'damn, i've heard that melody or riff before?'
ImadouchebagNIlikeit 4 years ago
this gave me the shivers XD
sadisticwench 4 years ago 5
ok this wasnt a good one but i went to the concert and this was the best show by far, but this video sucks
crazyeddie1 4 years ago
the guy at 1:43 is hot.
merocky9000 4 years ago
i saw them live, best show ever. i loved the cover of holland, 1945
Gomez2081 4 years ago
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check out my cover of play it again sam
philamato 4 years ago
wow. thank you for this.
becki331 4 years ago
Jesse's bald...teehee. but this song is amazing...and kevin devine is an amazing human being...
kelsjor44 4 years ago 2
Shut up all. Jesse Lacey is the most beautiful man along with conner oberst and Issac Broc
glor0099 4 years ago
i wish they went slower. but they are so fucking amazing it doesnt even matter
volcanoofsushi 4 years ago 3