At part 3/14 1:27 he says "Jewish state" rather than secular state. Earlier (part 2, 5:20, he says Israel should control the Jewish population following on from a rhetorical point about Palestinians using demographics as a weapon). He later accuses Chomsky of racism for referring to an Israeli highway as a Jewish highway (part 9, at roughly 5:30).
Dershowitz seems to conclude and then finds evidence to supports his wish. Chomsky appears to look at evidence and then tries to conclude. I like the latter. It is superior over time. And btw that is how science works :)
NO DOUBT THAT MR. DERSHOWITZ IS A FAR MORE PRECISE IN BOTH TRUTH AND ACTUAL FACTS DELIVERIES ABOUT THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AND BETWEEN THE STATE OF ISRAEL AND PALESTINIANS HORDES. TO SAY SHORT ABOUT CHOMSKY AND HIS OUT OF THIS WORLD ARGUMENTATION, DEFENCES AND WORDY DEJA-VU LINQUISTIC VOYAGER, THE RED ONE IN COLOR WHEN DEATH FOR GOOD, ARE JUST SILLY AND NONSENCE, NOT WORTH EVEN TO LISTEN TO. NO, IT'S MR. DERSHOWITH WHO ENTERTAINES WITH TRUTH, IS REALLY THE OWNER OF IT
a person who can't even speak English properly should not be commenting on this debate. I seriously doubt that u could fully understand their arguments.
Chomsky is a brilliant linguist, but terrible at this. From someone who lives in the Middle East, he has no clue what goes on here. His track record for political analysis is absolutely wretched. This is the man who praised Hugo Chavez as an enlightened leader. Yet he still is praised because his opinions jive with the many around the world who hate Jews, hate Israel, and hate the USA because of their ignorance and bigotry.
@mojorhythm yeah, recently. The point is that he is horrible at foreign policy and political analysis. He gets stuff like that dead wrong over and over again. He approaches it from an ideological rather than a scientific perspective, which is strange considering his approach to language. I'm a linguist and very familiar, as all linguists are, with his work in that field. He really ought to stick to what he knows.
Israel is the biggest violator of human rights in the world. The US should stop all financial and military support to Israel until there is a real two state solution. . .Israel has completely bought off the US Congress and Presidency through AIPAC contributions. Without that blood money, the Israel government would be (rightfully) prosecuted for war crimes.
wow the shift in content from Dershowitz to Chomsky was astonishing. Whereas Dershowitz talked like a true politician, using demagoguery to lay out his argument, Chomsky started like a true academic by explaining the source of the conflict and how this explanation can lead to a fisible solution.
Dershowitz takes almost as big a battering here as he did against Finkelstein. I guess when you're as powerful and wealthy as a Harvard lawyer, being right doesn't matter so much.
Dershowitz is a lawyer, notice how lying comes extremely easy to him. It is Israel who uses excessive military force. It is Israel that is murdering and commiting acts of outright terror.
Simply look at the facts, the last war, the war on Gaza.
13 Israelis killed (11 soldiers 2 Arab-Israelis), 1300 Palestinians (800 Women and Children). Israel was using white and red phopsphorus, illegal weapons against civilians. There were no human shields in use, so don't use that excuse Israel.
The fact that Dersh says "there is a genuine will for peace on both sides" says a lot about the world he lives in. Is he delusional? Neither side has truly sought peace.
All I can see is that Chomsky gets all the clapping in the debate and supported the most by youtube comments and I don't have to tell anyone that The law of Media is......THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT..........Go Chomsky!
A 10 minutes speech for someone like Dershowitz who bases his ideas on well known myths such as the democratic caracter of Israel is one thing. A 10 minutes speech for someone who constantly has to demistify such hazy concepts is another totally different thing, and yet Chomsky makes his stand.
Id have more respect for Alan Dershowitz if he would just come out and say: " jews and israel matter more than any one or any thing else on this entire planet, and the needs and rights of the rest of the world comes in a distant second to the needs & rights of jews and israel"
The problem is that Dershowitz is completely plausible. I feel that assuming everything he says is a carefully considered construction actually does a disservice to me, he wins even when he loses. The only way to battle someone like this is to carefully examine what he says and expose the flaws, however subtle. This is arduous work, that is the power of his argumentation style. Thankfully, we have Chomsky and Finklestein and men like Zinn. It is a shame that these men are so rare in your society
@superhamzah85 Yes, indeed. But remember that Dershowitz is directing that statement at both sides - he is an outspoken critic of the settlements and opposes many of Israel's policies.
@superhamzah85 Right, but he fact that he opposes the settlements does not make him worthless or strip him of being pro-Israeli. He is defending everything else that Chomsky is deriding, with reasonable cause. His purpose is to propose amendments to Israel's policies regarding the Gaza strip and the settlements - to make Israel a better state. Chomsky, on the other hand, has said that he doesnt believe Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish state.
@superhamzah85 True,but Israel isn't an ethnocracy. Its an ethnic democracy- a secular state guided by Jewish principles but not imposed. In ethnocracies, unequal rights are vital. Israel is the only country in the Middle East where Arabs and Jews can live peacefully among each other, where Arabs serve on the Knesset, Supreme Court, hold equal status at universities etc. So correct, ethnocracies are brutal. But Israel isnt an ethnocracy. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afganistan, Leban, Syria, Libya are.
A Jew from New York has more right to land of a Palestinian refugee that is banned from returning to his home because he is an Arab, and no other reason.
@superhamzah85 1) Ehud Olmerts reasoning is-in 1948 the Palestinians, aided by other Arab states, started a war to destroy Israel. If they had accepted a 2-state solution, Israel would've accepted large numbers of Palestinians, but once they started a war with this intent, the inevitable result was the creation of refugees (what else does a country do). 2) Yemen, Egypt, Iran, Iraq & Syria have never offered their Jewish refugee population compensation/resettlement. So why Israel in particular?
Search for UN land ownership Palestine. The Jewish population owned less than 10% of all owned property, not only that, but the majority were illegal immigrants, or not even born there.
@superhamzah85 At the time of the First Aliyah, Palestine was an underpopulated region with about 1/2 a million people, when its capacity exceeded 10 million. The Jews didn't steal the land. They bought it from mostly absentee landowers and real estate speculators. The claim that Zionists invaded the whole country is debunked by Benny Morris (himself an anti-Israel "new historian"): even years later, "the quantity of Arab land offered for sale was far in excess of the Jewish ability to puchase."
Pre-1948 knowledge is essential, just as pre-1939 is essential for WW2.
Half of all Palestinians are stateless, the rest are controlled by Israel. If you look at the Zionist Map of 1919, where they planned to created a Jewish State. You'll notice something remarkable, every policy since, every war, and every decision, has been for the end goal of acquiring that map of 1919. A map drawn at a time when over 90% of the population was not Jewish. That is the problem.
@superhamzah85 but about the ethnocracy point, I'll further my case that Israel isnt one, besides the Pal. right of return issue, which is largely logistical (if everyone returned, Israel wouldnt be a Jewish state) as well as ethical. A few days ago, a meeting was held in Washington with some US officials + the PLO USA ambassador. He confirmed that Jews wouldn't be allowed to live in a Palestinian state. That's apartheid, full on. Even before its been created, segregation is an integral policy.
@ByTheShortAndCurlies Facts are usaullly boring. Fiction is always alot more fun. It is not me or Dershowitz, but rather the UN or Dershowitz. I will consider or debate closed and we agree to disagree.
So STOP OCCUPYING, STOP KILLING CIVILIANS, STOP BUILDING SETTLEMENTS, STOP DESTROYING PALESTINIAN HOMES, STOP DESTROYING PALESTINIAN INFRASTRUTURE, AND SO ON.
@thesparitan Well unfortunately some people are just outright evil. I watched a great documentary on the Israel spin (bullshit) called "Tiger by The Tail". You should check it out. Search the title in yahoo videos and you should get all five parts. Great piece of work. Let me know what you thought of it afetr you watch it.
Its becomes clearer. The facts are as follows you didn't know and asked me to provide evidence of non biblical claims that Israel was a Kingdom to which I gave you one. And you elected to act like a cunt.
There is no occupation except that of Jewish land. The "Palstinians" do all the destroying of infrastructure, homes themselves don't need Israel.
@ByTheShortAndCurlies Wow, I had a feeling it was bad, but this is even more extreme than anything I would have expected. I guess it is undeniable that your comments are purely based on Zionist ideology and completely void of any connection with what the rest of the world (UN) considers / defines "occupation". I won't waste your time with the details, as I am sure you already know and will say that international law does not apply to Israel. I will not even insult you the way you like me to.
@ByTheShortAndCurlies Sorry. I forgot #3>>Yes. Let me guess what you are going to say...
The cornerstone for what it calls “a just and lasting peace.” It calls for a negotiated solution based on “secure and recognized boundaries” – recognizing the flaws in Israel’s previous temporary borders – the 1948 Armistice lines or the “Green Line”1 – by not calling upon Israel to withdraw from ‘all occupied territories,’ but rather “from territories occupied.” = Selective interpretation
As per usual can't answer that is being asked. Israel doesn't need to move an inch until the Arabs.
Resolution 242 (the basis of the "illegal" claim), which calls for Israel to return "territories" (and not "the" terrories) it captured during the 1967 Six-Day War.
Even partial return of captured territories is conditioned on "termination of all claims of belligerency" and "acknowledgment of the sovereignty . . . of every state in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."
Resolution 242 does not mention the rights of nonstates, such as the Palestinian Authority, Hamas or Hezbollah, the latter two of which do not accept the conditions of the resolution. (Nor do Iran and several other states in the region.) It would be wrong for the Security Council retroactively to rewrite Resolution 242, which is the foundation for a two-state solution—Israel and Palestine—44 years after it was enacted.
A negotiated resolution will require the Palestinian Authority to acknowledge that some of the land captured by Israel from Jordan, after Jordan attacked Israel, rightfully belongs to Israel. These areas include the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem and the Western Wall—which were illegally captured by Jordan in its
@ByTheShortAndCurlies There have been several affirmations of the UN policy pertaining to what it considers to be "illegally occupied" territories. These territories are West bank, Gaza (by virtue of Israel's control of it's borders, airspace and ports) and Golan Heights. In subsequent resolutions regarding 242 the language is very clear..."Illegal Occupied Palestinian Territory". All of these arguments you have made are again not recognized by the international community as valid. Continued>>>>
To assert that the UN does not have the right to adjust or change the original language, is incorrect. As in any legal system, when questions arise as to the intent, meaning of words or phrases and applicability, the court hears the arguments and renders an opinion. Israel can not interpret what the UN intended in the resolution to suit it's agenda. US policy is nothing more than Israel policy. So to even mention the US is quite useless to your case.
Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza 100%. There are restrictions because of the tens of thousands of rockets and arms intercepted. Golan was captured in a war provoked by Syria. The borders are indefensible. As for the WB Jordan owned it band know Israeli does. The PA have full control over their parts. There are no planes in any of the territories or airports. Just read my 5 comment response as per Professor Alan Dershowitz's interpretation.
@ByTheShortAndCurlies Mr. Dershowitz's interpretation of 242 is nothing more than an opinion from a good defense lawyer and certainly self-serving. His interpretation in no way makes it so. As I said, you can visit the UN website and read the many clarifications on the claims made by Israel and Mr.Dershowitz. You can not interpret the law to suit your agenda. That works for public relations and brainwashing, but when it all comes down to it...Israel is the most flagrant violator of Intl law.
People constantly say..Israel captured this land by war, as if that makes it legal to occupy it. I assume you know that whether your war was defensive or offensive, it is irrelevant when it comes to international law. It is illegal to acquire land by war. The PA has control over what? There is nothing coming in or out of that area due to the Israeli blockade.
Here is a quote from Lord Caradon (Chief Author of 242). "It was from occupied territories that the Resolution called for withdrawal. The test was which territories were occupied. That was a test not possibly subject to any doubt. As a matter of plain fact East Jerusalem, the West Bank, Gaza, the Golan and Sinai were occupied in the 1967 conflict. It was on withdrawal from occupied territories that the Resolution insisted.
Here is another quote from WIKI. "During a symposium on the subject Lord Caradon said that Israel was in clear defiance of resolution 242. He specifically cited the "annexation of East Jerusalem" and "the creeping colonialism on the West Bank and in Gaza and in the Golan." The sources are plentiful. The Idea that the UN would give Israel free reign to redefine it's borders as it deems appropriate for defense is absurd and clearly not the truth.
I've gone through this and you are being boring. Professor Alan Dershowitz or you. I'll take a Harvard Law Professor. I'll take recognize by states and stop belligerence. Hamas, PA, Hezbollah not states nor did they agree to it.
@thesparitan Maybe you need me to clarify. Most comments on this thread talk about how great Chomsky is and how awful Alan is doing. Listening to the arguments and knowing about the debated history, I don't think Chomsky is doing such a great job, hence, all his praise comes thought name recognition.
@thesparitan Speaking of pointless comments, stop posting them. I'm sorry that you are intellectually impotent and unable to read between the lines. Maybe you should stick to south park videos on youtube and keep away from debates.
@towneslives I don't know why you'd criticise Derschowitz for "thinking he can even be mentioned in the same breath as Chomsky" when clearly Chomsky himself doesn't mind, having debated Derschowitz for many decades in a row, as Derschowitz says.
Do you think you speak on behalf of Chomsky or something?
@towneslives Well Chomsky is an idiot. Visit this channel "Patcondell" and watch hes latest video and check all the links in the message box of that video.
Dershowitz's attempt to portray Israel as the victim of unreasonable international scrutiny from the intellectual community is a pathetic exercise in apologist hyperbole. Nothing he said was of any real relevance or value, it was a string of misleading nonsense designed to exonerate Israel of any of the blame for the current situation. It is obvious that he is a bigoted spin-doctor and in no way can he be reasonably assumed to have ever made an objective statement on this issue.
GULF countries are plying double standards agains ISRAIL and IRAN... in front the free world.....is it the benefits today only ....maybe.. who knows!! they may attack the free counties...if they could 1 day??
Wow, if you didn't know any better the way Ducheowitz is speaking is like Palestinians are the ones with the fighter jets, massive american funded armys, and the ethnic cleansing mentality.
@TheGoldenKing20 That would depend which "they" that you are referring to. If you are referring to the Palestinians (like I assume) I would suggest that hostility on their behalf is for an understandable reason. I do rest assured, but it's not because I think the Middle East is hostile towards Western civilization. I don't understand how that would lead to assurance, but it's your analogy. How about trying to not be intentionally vague if you want to discuss such important issues.
I should have been more clear: I didnt mean whole Isreal but the strips the settlers want to stay on. I dont hate Israelis at all. I dont hate any people just because of their nationality. What I hate are nationalists, racists and ALL human rights violators.
that you can keep on hating israel and try to do what ever patehtic things you do in your sad life
to feel good about yourself and to feel that "your fighting for justice"( but the only thing your fighting fo is EVIL!!!")
and we israelis say to allllll of you "SUCK OUR HARD ISRAELI DICK" cause no matter what you are trying to do or say about us....WE WILL KEEP LIBERATING OUR HISTORICAL LAND!!!
@jessescapone If you want to lead a good life then do it like Chomsky. Read, talk, travel and know many people. You want to stay on a tiny piece of desert and have only your shouting, hating, fighting friends around you? Now thats a sad life. It's disgusting.
you are just the type that hats us and doesent really have a point to why he hates us cause if you call one of the most MODERN countrys in the world "tiny peace OF DESSERT" then you are the sad one!!
israel.....tiny? YES!
all desert?? LOL hell no!!!
learn history and then you will stop being brainwased and hating
and yes we are fighting "friends" around us (who are the biggist terorists and humen rights violators)
@jessescapone It is funny how you are always coming back to the discussion here and saying when you are done talking to someone..then a few days later you come back and respond. That is the way Zionists work, out talk and end conversations when they decide they don't need to say more about how sad their lives are being persecuted.
Also - 2000 years of not being at your "homeland"..you really aren't supposed to be back since the messiah isn't back yet. Of course Zionists aren't really religious.
@jessescapone He is more pro-israel then you ever will be. And pulling out the holocaust card is such a classic. Nice one :) but i don't blame you, you don't know better. You are a self appointed representive of the holocaust victims and you use it whenever you get the chans, to justify your hatred. That is an insult to all the victims. Dead people can't protest after all. God bless them.
there isn't anything you could do or say that would change our mind about you little ignorant ppl.
and YES YOU WANT US TO LEAVE OUR LAND(wheather you are aware or un awaer of it) YOUR ACTIONS AND VIEWS SHOW IT!!! but the more you hate us and think "YOU ARE JUST FIGHTING FOR JUSTICE" THE MORE WE ARE STRONGER!
and about "pulling the holocaust card" well i just stated A FACT! and ohhhh i know you would loooove for us to forget about the gholocaust HEHE
It's funny: Even though Dershowitz claims that "both sides have done terrible things," he never EVER articulates what Israel has done wrong. He says he disagrees with the settlements, but rarely talks about them, as though they are minor issues.
Wow. Even this Harvard crowd can't contain themselves and just starts cracking up in the midst of Dershowitz's most outrageous lies that he's busy spitting through his teeth. What a clown.
Dershowitz was exposed by Mr. Finkelstein as a liar and demagog. His books are a pile of bullshit as he himself. I am sorry for Harvard and its students
And then his callous reference to Arafat's death as untimely because he should have died sooner. If Dershowitz can's see that HIS attitude is excessively hateful and spiteful, then how can he later complain that Israel has been unfairly beset by hate in the general discourse? Never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity. BS. The 2states proposed by Isreal never involve a dismantling of the West Bank settlements and Jewish roads, and that is HUGE. People should see a map of that.
There is one way that Dershowitz is not "Chekhovian": When he says no more de-legitimating or demonizing Israel, what he really means is no CRITICIZING of Israel. That's too absolute, and it means (as usual) that Dershowitz insists on Israel always having a kind of moral supremacy superimposed into the mood of all debates on the Palestinian situation. That's an unfair way to propose debate, and it just goes to show that overzealous debatesmanship is more about winning than honest dealing.
Very few people deny the right of Jews to self-determination..it's the expulsion and occupation of other people that's the problem. Until supporters of Israel face up to this fact there won't be peace.
It's unfortunate that Dershowitz was the representative for this debate. I feel that the case for Israel could have been argued much more effectively and rationally [the outcome may or may not have changed].
Interesting Dershowitz should reproach opponents their equation of Israeli policy and Zionism with Nazism, when he uses words like "total victory". "Totaler Sieg" is a very Nazi connected expression. As Chomsky could surely explain better, one's choice of words is very, very revealing of one's convictions.
Well, Nazism is incorrect, but apartheid is a pretty apt comparison. Yeah, dershawich, Palestine rejected the deal because the 1948 partition was a ripoff. It conferred Israel(who were 33% of the population and 10% of the land ownership) with 55% of the land, and palestine (65% of the population and 85% of the land ownership) with only 45% of the land. Not to mention that the land didn't belong to the UN or Brittan to give away in the first place.
@FieldMarshalB Great comment. as someone who grew up in a former part of the 3rd Reich, I must say the propaganda, especially the denial of the Palestinian existence and people since Golda Meir, as well as the unashamed state terrorism outside of one's territory (attacks on opponents in lebanon, killing Lebanese security forces and civilians), and of course the recent big-time escalation with killing of hundreds to over 1,000 civilians as revenge for a couple of Israeli deaths is Nazi-like.
@FieldMarshalB Not to forget the impossibility of gaining citizenship without Jewish heritage. Where is the difference between the Aryan pass and this pass to citizenship? That is more than apartheid.
@dinavienna You are very correct Sir, or Ms.. We had something much like this in the US at one time, I am sad to say. There was a time (bout 100 years ago I think) where non-whites were denied citizenship in the US. Of course, we are taught today in schools that it was a shameful policy, and rightly so. Out of curiosity what country are you from? Deutshland? The European press is much better on foreign affairs than the major media in the US, right?
Well, Nazism is incorrect, but apartheid is a pretty apt comparison. Yeah, dershawich, Palestine rejected the deal because the 1948 partitian was a ripoff. It conferred Israel(who were 33% of the population and 10% of the land ownership) with 55% of the land, and palestine (65% of the population and 85% of the land ownership) with only 45% of the land. Not to mention that the land didn't belong to the UN or Brittan to give away in the first place.
"Delegitimate Israel"? Man, that old saw is really wearing thin. It's awesome how Dershowitz just jabbers on and on, knowing that every time his lips slap together he can add that to his billable hours, that Israel will pay him for every false word, and caring not a whit that everyone in the room knows he's a shyster, a fraud, a plagiarist, and a petty liar.
Dershowitz attacked the man, not the ideas. Chomsky has always been a man of ideas. If you convince him on the spot he will change sides on the spot, I believe. But all Dershowitz wanted was to mount a Showitz.
Dershowitz is right, you freaks who attack Israel actually are the force that keeps the terrorists fighting ... and you do not know what the hell you are talking about.
Pro-Palestinians are Anti-Israeli ...
Pro-Israelis are often Pro-Palestinian .... well said Dersh!
What a disgusting inference. I resent it, sir. People who want to see the Israelis cease killing innocent people are, therefore, "the force that keeps terrorists fighting"?
Shame on you for saying such a ridiculous, immoral and inaccurate judgement.
My god Dershowitz loves himself. I love the way he self indulgently proposes a peace treaty amongst academics, whatever that means, and Chomsky doesn't even acknowledge it, instead he exposes him as being the lying snake that he is. Chomsky = truth.
Dershowitz speaks in generality and emotional terms, which of course are useful in the courtroom or the politcal arena. He tries win the debate by assigning blame. Yeah, not much of a debate. "A peace treaty among academics?" By calling on more support of Israel? .."and to join the vast majority of supporters..." Right, that's the opposite of intellectual or moral autonomy.
At part 3/14 1:27 he says "Jewish state" rather than secular state. Earlier (part 2, 5:20, he says Israel should control the Jewish population following on from a rhetorical point about Palestinians using demographics as a weapon). He later accuses Chomsky of racism for referring to an Israeli highway as a Jewish highway (part 9, at roughly 5:30).
gamerunknown 3 weeks ago
Dershowitz peddles lies and propaganda and he is easily defeated by the truth.
OrodesIII 3 weeks ago
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fuck chomsky
LarrenceUmpersalt 1 month ago
More israeli than israeli?
lionneedshistiger 1 month ago
Dershowitz gave a statesman's speech and call-to-action, not a logically-deduced position that launches a debate.
MichaelBMercier 1 month ago
MR CHOMSKY WAKE UP, NO MORE DOPE FOR YOU.
nissimgaga 2 months ago
Dershowitz seems to conclude and then finds evidence to supports his wish. Chomsky appears to look at evidence and then tries to conclude. I like the latter. It is superior over time. And btw that is how science works :)
ravondal1958 2 months ago 5
NO DOUBT THAT MR. DERSHOWITZ IS A FAR MORE PRECISE IN BOTH TRUTH AND ACTUAL FACTS DELIVERIES ABOUT THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AND BETWEEN THE STATE OF ISRAEL AND PALESTINIANS HORDES. TO SAY SHORT ABOUT CHOMSKY AND HIS OUT OF THIS WORLD ARGUMENTATION, DEFENCES AND WORDY DEJA-VU LINQUISTIC VOYAGER, THE RED ONE IN COLOR WHEN DEATH FOR GOOD, ARE JUST SILLY AND NONSENCE, NOT WORTH EVEN TO LISTEN TO. NO, IT'S MR. DERSHOWITH WHO ENTERTAINES WITH TRUTH, IS REALLY THE OWNER OF IT
kiefko 3 months ago
@kiefko How can you know you're right if you're not willing to listen to the other side?
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a person who can't even speak English properly should not be commenting on this debate. I seriously doubt that u could fully understand their arguments.
vietorkorean 2 months ago
Chomsky is a brilliant linguist, but terrible at this. From someone who lives in the Middle East, he has no clue what goes on here. His track record for political analysis is absolutely wretched. This is the man who praised Hugo Chavez as an enlightened leader. Yet he still is praised because his opinions jive with the many around the world who hate Jews, hate Israel, and hate the USA because of their ignorance and bigotry.
kalbahamut 3 months ago
@kalbahamut Chomsky has been a very vocal critic of Chavez recently.
mojorhythm 3 months ago
@mojorhythm yeah, recently. The point is that he is horrible at foreign policy and political analysis. He gets stuff like that dead wrong over and over again. He approaches it from an ideological rather than a scientific perspective, which is strange considering his approach to language. I'm a linguist and very familiar, as all linguists are, with his work in that field. He really ought to stick to what he knows.
kalbahamut 3 months ago
Dershowitz is at home but I sense that Chomsky has owned him completely as usual.
Magenta408 3 months ago 19
Israel is the biggest violator of human rights in the world. The US should stop all financial and military support to Israel until there is a real two state solution. . .Israel has completely bought off the US Congress and Presidency through AIPAC contributions. Without that blood money, the Israel government would be (rightfully) prosecuted for war crimes.
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jufebato 4 months ago
wow the shift in content from Dershowitz to Chomsky was astonishing. Whereas Dershowitz talked like a true politician, using demagoguery to lay out his argument, Chomsky started like a true academic by explaining the source of the conflict and how this explanation can lead to a fisible solution.
jufebato 4 months ago
Fuck you Dershowitz
clickswitchh 4 months ago
Dershowitz takes almost as big a battering here as he did against Finkelstein. I guess when you're as powerful and wealthy as a Harvard lawyer, being right doesn't matter so much.
JoeStunner 4 months ago 18
dershowits has such a pretentious tone. noam is tone is not pretentious at all, very straight forward.
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broodwarplayer 4 months ago
you can tell that Dersh is telling lies--his lips are moving
posttcg 5 months ago
Dershowitz is a lawyer, notice how lying comes extremely easy to him. It is Israel who uses excessive military force. It is Israel that is murdering and commiting acts of outright terror.
Simply look at the facts, the last war, the war on Gaza.
13 Israelis killed (11 soldiers 2 Arab-Israelis), 1300 Palestinians (800 Women and Children). Israel was using white and red phopsphorus, illegal weapons against civilians. There were no human shields in use, so don't use that excuse Israel.
guitarmatt211 5 months ago
I am disgusted by dershowitz. He is extremely suggesting and prejudice
000000AEA000000 6 months ago
The fact that Dersh says "there is a genuine will for peace on both sides" says a lot about the world he lives in. Is he delusional? Neither side has truly sought peace.
ITHEREONETHATHASNT 6 months ago
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Hey PaliNazi, your lips, my ass... they should meet.
The so called “Palestinians” of today,
do not represent a nation or people,
merely a bunch of Wannabe-Nazis.
Kish meir Yiddische Tuchus.
TheSanRemoResolution 6 months ago
All I can see is that Chomsky gets all the clapping in the debate and supported the most by youtube comments and I don't have to tell anyone that The law of Media is......THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT..........Go Chomsky!
mimiyan2 6 months ago
A 10 minutes speech for someone like Dershowitz who bases his ideas on well known myths such as the democratic caracter of Israel is one thing. A 10 minutes speech for someone who constantly has to demistify such hazy concepts is another totally different thing, and yet Chomsky makes his stand.
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Id have more respect for Alan Dershowitz if he would just come out and say: " jews and israel matter more than any one or any thing else on this entire planet, and the needs and rights of the rest of the world comes in a distant second to the needs & rights of jews and israel"
Dannyboy855 6 months ago
The problem is that Dershowitz is completely plausible. I feel that assuming everything he says is a carefully considered construction actually does a disservice to me, he wins even when he loses. The only way to battle someone like this is to carefully examine what he says and expose the flaws, however subtle. This is arduous work, that is the power of his argumentation style. Thankfully, we have Chomsky and Finklestein and men like Zinn. It is a shame that these men are so rare in your society
jacksawild 7 months ago
@jacksawild Well said. It sounds like you have a mind to be one yourself.
shanyin1234 5 months ago
@shanyin1234 You flatter me, sir(?). I'm merely an interweb warrior.
jacksawild 5 months ago
Stupid Dershy forgets that the person who called Israel an Apartheid state is BISHOP DESMOND TUTU himself. He would know!!!
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Chomsky: the only man who can write a 200 page book on terrorism without once mentioning Islam !
vonkleve 7 months ago 3
EVERY minute Dershowitz speaks about "pragmatic peace" an Israeli lays a brick on occupied territory.
Actions speak louder than words. I'm afraid.
superhamzah85 7 months ago 2
@superhamzah85 Yes, indeed. But remember that Dershowitz is directing that statement at both sides - he is an outspoken critic of the settlements and opposes many of Israel's policies.
adam246811 4 months ago
@adam246811
So why is he debating with Chomsky? Someone who disagrees with settlements and opposes many of Israel's policies?
He has no choice but to disagree with settlements, AGREEING with them is not an option. They are illegal.
superhamzah85 4 months ago
@superhamzah85 Right, but he fact that he opposes the settlements does not make him worthless or strip him of being pro-Israeli. He is defending everything else that Chomsky is deriding, with reasonable cause. His purpose is to propose amendments to Israel's policies regarding the Gaza strip and the settlements - to make Israel a better state. Chomsky, on the other hand, has said that he doesnt believe Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish state.
adam246811 4 months ago
@adam246811
Just like he doesn't agree the USA has a right to exist as a white state, or Christian state.
He believes a state should be for whoever is in it, regardless of race or religion. Ethnocracies are barbaric.
superhamzah85 4 months ago
@superhamzah85 True,but Israel isn't an ethnocracy. Its an ethnic democracy- a secular state guided by Jewish principles but not imposed. In ethnocracies, unequal rights are vital. Israel is the only country in the Middle East where Arabs and Jews can live peacefully among each other, where Arabs serve on the Knesset, Supreme Court, hold equal status at universities etc. So correct, ethnocracies are brutal. But Israel isnt an ethnocracy. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afganistan, Leban, Syria, Libya are.
adam246811 4 months ago
@adam246811
A Jew from New York has more right to land of a Palestinian refugee that is banned from returning to his home because he is an Arab, and no other reason.
Therefore fuck Israel, with all due respect.
superhamzah85 4 months ago
@superhamzah85 1) Ehud Olmerts reasoning is-in 1948 the Palestinians, aided by other Arab states, started a war to destroy Israel. If they had accepted a 2-state solution, Israel would've accepted large numbers of Palestinians, but once they started a war with this intent, the inevitable result was the creation of refugees (what else does a country do). 2) Yemen, Egypt, Iran, Iraq & Syria have never offered their Jewish refugee population compensation/resettlement. So why Israel in particular?
adam246811 4 months ago
@adam246811
Search for UN land ownership Palestine. The Jewish population owned less than 10% of all owned property, not only that, but the majority were illegal immigrants, or not even born there.
Zionism would be ILLEGAL today.
superhamzah85 4 months ago
@superhamzah85 At the time of the First Aliyah, Palestine was an underpopulated region with about 1/2 a million people, when its capacity exceeded 10 million. The Jews didn't steal the land. They bought it from mostly absentee landowers and real estate speculators. The claim that Zionists invaded the whole country is debunked by Benny Morris (himself an anti-Israel "new historian"): even years later, "the quantity of Arab land offered for sale was far in excess of the Jewish ability to puchase."
adam246811 4 months ago
@adam246811
Without Palestinian refugees, Israel is impossible. Factor this into your opinions before reading Israeli apologist material.
superhamzah85 4 months ago
@adam246811
Over 400 Arab villages were destroyed.
superhamzah85 4 months ago
@superhamzah85 ok, i must concede that i dont know enough about the pre-1948 issues to debate it, beyond whats already said.
adam246811 4 months ago
@adam246811
Pre-1948 knowledge is essential, just as pre-1939 is essential for WW2.
Half of all Palestinians are stateless, the rest are controlled by Israel. If you look at the Zionist Map of 1919, where they planned to created a Jewish State. You'll notice something remarkable, every policy since, every war, and every decision, has been for the end goal of acquiring that map of 1919. A map drawn at a time when over 90% of the population was not Jewish. That is the problem.
superhamzah85 4 months ago
@adam246811
That was the original wrong.
The Palestinians original wrong was the fact they exist.
superhamzah85 4 months ago
@superhamzah85 but about the ethnocracy point, I'll further my case that Israel isnt one, besides the Pal. right of return issue, which is largely logistical (if everyone returned, Israel wouldnt be a Jewish state) as well as ethical. A few days ago, a meeting was held in Washington with some US officials + the PLO USA ambassador. He confirmed that Jews wouldn't be allowed to live in a Palestinian state. That's apartheid, full on. Even before its been created, segregation is an integral policy.
adam246811 4 months ago
@ByTheShortAndCurlies Facts are usaullly boring. Fiction is always alot more fun. It is not me or Dershowitz, but rather the UN or Dershowitz. I will consider or debate closed and we agree to disagree.
steute2011 7 months ago
douche-a-witz
blockhart 7 months ago
So STOP OCCUPYING, STOP KILLING CIVILIANS, STOP BUILDING SETTLEMENTS, STOP DESTROYING PALESTINIAN HOMES, STOP DESTROYING PALESTINIAN INFRASTRUTURE, AND SO ON.
steute2011 8 months ago 8
@steute2011 Pretty simple. I don't understand why that is so hard.
thesparitan 7 months ago
@thesparitan Well unfortunately some people are just outright evil. I watched a great documentary on the Israel spin (bullshit) called "Tiger by The Tail". You should check it out. Search the title in yahoo videos and you should get all five parts. Great piece of work. Let me know what you thought of it afetr you watch it.
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 then I will.
thesparitan 7 months ago
@steute2011
Its becomes clearer. The facts are as follows you didn't know and asked me to provide evidence of non biblical claims that Israel was a Kingdom to which I gave you one. And you elected to act like a cunt.
There is no occupation except that of Jewish land. The "Palstinians" do all the destroying of infrastructure, homes themselves don't need Israel.
You really are quite amateurish.
ByTheShortAndCurlies 7 months ago
@ByTheShortAndCurlies Wow, I had a feeling it was bad, but this is even more extreme than anything I would have expected. I guess it is undeniable that your comments are purely based on Zionist ideology and completely void of any connection with what the rest of the world (UN) considers / defines "occupation". I won't waste your time with the details, as I am sure you already know and will say that international law does not apply to Israel. I will not even insult you the way you like me to.
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011
1. Did you or did you not ask me to to point you to a non-biblical source which described the Kingdom of Israel. Yes/No?
2. Did I or did I not provide it? Yes/No?
3. Are you familiar with resolution 242? Yes/No.
My questions:
1. What is YOUR understanding of Zionism?
2. Which type of Zionism are you referring to.
Explain how/why International Law doesn't apply to Israel give specifics?
Why doesn't it apply to non-state actors. You can message me or write it here.
ByTheShortAndCurlies 7 months ago
@ByTheShortAndCurlies
1. Yes
2. No, not as a matter of "Fact"....let's agree to disagree on that point.
Your Questions:
1. Jewish Nationalism
2. I am not sure if there is a formal name for it, but I would call it a form of extreme Zionism.
Explanation of Israel's disregard for international law.
Israel has broken more UN resolutions that any other nation in UN history. The exact number is hard to pin down, since that number continues grow.
steute2011 7 months ago
@ByTheShortAndCurlies Sorry. I forgot #3>>Yes. Let me guess what you are going to say...
The cornerstone for what it calls “a just and lasting peace.” It calls for a negotiated solution based on “secure and recognized boundaries” – recognizing the flaws in Israel’s previous temporary borders – the 1948 Armistice lines or the “Green Line”1 – by not calling upon Israel to withdraw from ‘all occupied territories,’ but rather “from territories occupied.” = Selective interpretation
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011
As per usual can't answer that is being asked. Israel doesn't need to move an inch until the Arabs.
Resolution 242 (the basis of the "illegal" claim), which calls for Israel to return "territories" (and not "the" terrories) it captured during the 1967 Six-Day War.
ByTheShortAndCurlies 7 months ago
cont 2
Even partial return of captured territories is conditioned on "termination of all claims of belligerency" and "acknowledgment of the sovereignty . . . of every state in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."
ByTheShortAndCurlies 7 months ago
Cont 3
Resolution 242 does not mention the rights of nonstates, such as the Palestinian Authority, Hamas or Hezbollah, the latter two of which do not accept the conditions of the resolution. (Nor do Iran and several other states in the region.) It would be wrong for the Security Council retroactively to rewrite Resolution 242, which is the foundation for a two-state solution—Israel and Palestine—44 years after it was enacted.
ByTheShortAndCurlies 7 months ago
Cont 4
Second, because the resolution is inconsistent with U.S. policy, which has called for a negotiated settlement to the Arab-Israeli conflict.
ByTheShortAndCurlies 7 months ago
Cont 5
A negotiated resolution will require the Palestinian Authority to acknowledge that some of the land captured by Israel from Jordan, after Jordan attacked Israel, rightfully belongs to Israel. These areas include the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem and the Western Wall—which were illegally captured by Jordan in its
ByTheShortAndCurlies 7 months ago
@ByTheShortAndCurlies There have been several affirmations of the UN policy pertaining to what it considers to be "illegally occupied" territories. These territories are West bank, Gaza (by virtue of Israel's control of it's borders, airspace and ports) and Golan Heights. In subsequent resolutions regarding 242 the language is very clear..."Illegal Occupied Palestinian Territory". All of these arguments you have made are again not recognized by the international community as valid. Continued>>>>
steute2011 7 months ago
To assert that the UN does not have the right to adjust or change the original language, is incorrect. As in any legal system, when questions arise as to the intent, meaning of words or phrases and applicability, the court hears the arguments and renders an opinion. Israel can not interpret what the UN intended in the resolution to suit it's agenda. US policy is nothing more than Israel policy. So to even mention the US is quite useless to your case.
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011
Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza 100%. There are restrictions because of the tens of thousands of rockets and arms intercepted. Golan was captured in a war provoked by Syria. The borders are indefensible. As for the WB Jordan owned it band know Israeli does. The PA have full control over their parts. There are no planes in any of the territories or airports. Just read my 5 comment response as per Professor Alan Dershowitz's interpretation.
ByTheShortAndCurlies 7 months ago
@ByTheShortAndCurlies Mr. Dershowitz's interpretation of 242 is nothing more than an opinion from a good defense lawyer and certainly self-serving. His interpretation in no way makes it so. As I said, you can visit the UN website and read the many clarifications on the claims made by Israel and Mr.Dershowitz. You can not interpret the law to suit your agenda. That works for public relations and brainwashing, but when it all comes down to it...Israel is the most flagrant violator of Intl law.
steute2011 7 months ago
People constantly say..Israel captured this land by war, as if that makes it legal to occupy it. I assume you know that whether your war was defensive or offensive, it is irrelevant when it comes to international law. It is illegal to acquire land by war. The PA has control over what? There is nothing coming in or out of that area due to the Israeli blockade.
steute2011 7 months ago
Here is a quote from Lord Caradon (Chief Author of 242). "It was from occupied territories that the Resolution called for withdrawal. The test was which territories were occupied. That was a test not possibly subject to any doubt. As a matter of plain fact East Jerusalem, the West Bank, Gaza, the Golan and Sinai were occupied in the 1967 conflict. It was on withdrawal from occupied territories that the Resolution insisted.
steute2011 7 months ago
Here is another quote from WIKI. "During a symposium on the subject Lord Caradon said that Israel was in clear defiance of resolution 242. He specifically cited the "annexation of East Jerusalem" and "the creeping colonialism on the West Bank and in Gaza and in the Golan." The sources are plentiful. The Idea that the UN would give Israel free reign to redefine it's borders as it deems appropriate for defense is absurd and clearly not the truth.
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011
I've gone through this and you are being boring. Professor Alan Dershowitz or you. I'll take a Harvard Law Professor. I'll take recognize by states and stop belligerence. Hamas, PA, Hezbollah not states nor did they agree to it.
w w w . w orldjewishdaily . com / UN-Israel . php
ByTheShortAndCurlies 7 months ago
Biased, bigoted and a pathetic example of ad hominem. No respect whatsoever for Dershowitz
Cactaceae33 8 months ago
I don't give three shits about Chomsky. A famous name does not make him right.
Killjeser 8 months ago
@Killjeser Ok. Pointless comment
thesparitan 7 months ago
@thesparitan Then stop writing them.
Killjeser 7 months ago
@Killjeser I was directing that toward you, not as a general statement.
thesparitan 7 months ago
@thesparitan Maybe you need me to clarify. Most comments on this thread talk about how great Chomsky is and how awful Alan is doing. Listening to the arguments and knowing about the debated history, I don't think Chomsky is doing such a great job, hence, all his praise comes thought name recognition.
Killjeser 7 months ago
@Killjeser Yeah it like I said it was a pointless comment.
thesparitan 7 months ago
@thesparitan Speaking of pointless comments, stop posting them. I'm sorry that you are intellectually impotent and unable to read between the lines. Maybe you should stick to south park videos on youtube and keep away from debates.
Killjeser 7 months ago
dershowitz has SUCH a punchable face. and he thinks he can even be mentioned in the same breath as chomsky - ''elder statesman'' indeed.
towneslives 8 months ago 37
@towneslives thinking the same shit
catch2370 4 months ago
@towneslives I don't know why you'd criticise Derschowitz for "thinking he can even be mentioned in the same breath as Chomsky" when clearly Chomsky himself doesn't mind, having debated Derschowitz for many decades in a row, as Derschowitz says.
Do you think you speak on behalf of Chomsky or something?
geofreyr 3 months ago
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@towneslives Well Chomsky is an idiot. Visit this channel "Patcondell" and watch hes latest video and check all the links in the message box of that video.
Dershowitz is correct.
Packerd01 3 months ago
dershowitz has SUCH a punchable face
towneslives 8 months ago
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The so called "Palestinians" of today
do not represent a nation or people,
merely a bunch of Wannabe-Nazis.
ThePrideOfIsrael 8 months ago
Derpshowitz
MuseManMike 9 months ago
Dershowitz's attempt to portray Israel as the victim of unreasonable international scrutiny from the intellectual community is a pathetic exercise in apologist hyperbole. Nothing he said was of any real relevance or value, it was a string of misleading nonsense designed to exonerate Israel of any of the blame for the current situation. It is obvious that he is a bigoted spin-doctor and in no way can he be reasonably assumed to have ever made an objective statement on this issue.
fleamarket3000 9 months ago
"The academy" is a crock of shit
justsomefellow 9 months ago
KNIFE THAT CUTS BOTH WAYS REALLY. NICOLE AND RON
rogercreasy7 9 months ago
Dershowitz= Dershit
shakildcm 9 months ago
@shakildcm no..doosheowitz
GalenAus 9 months ago
@GalenAus
dershit is cool leave it at that
ahmed337799 9 months ago
@ahmed337799 nah, your opinion is irrelevant.
GalenAus 9 months ago
@GalenAus
watch?v=cmZStSvjlsU
ahmed337799 9 months ago
Dershowitz is the man. FUck Chomsky.
EternalIntelligence 10 months ago
Dersh or douch Israel is not lagitimate! Israel is slaughtering innocent children, wemen and men. Who are you kidding???
commander272727 10 months ago
@commander272727 Read a book.
GoCardinal2012 10 months ago
GULF countries are plying double standards agains ISRAIL and IRAN... in front the free world.....is it the benefits today only ....maybe.. who knows!! they may attack the free counties...if they could 1 day??
DrCafe31 10 months ago
One very simple question...
How is an ARAB indigenous TO ANY AREA OUTSIDE ARABIA,
How is Palestine NOT AN ARAB IMPOSITION OF COLONIALISM?
Why is Islam practiced outside SE Arabia where it originated?
Simple questions....perhaps we will see some simple answers. As far as I can tell Islam itself is one of the greatest colonial enterprises in history.
Why the dble standard?
zaxx19 10 months ago
@zaxx19
That's four questions.
stopthehatechild 10 months ago
Anyone who thinks Arabs are Terrorist does not live among them.
ARABS = LOVE & PEACE
I wish for everyone to go to a Mosque and find out for themselves !!!!
Is it every Zionists job to post anti-Arab hate propaganda all over you-tube???
It makes me sick.
ZIONIST LIES are the tongue of the DEVIL, and the Devil is the best at LYING.
If Israel came to my country and started killing women and children by the thousands and taking all the land it would be human nature to hate them.
ZeroBoostBuick 10 months ago
Mr PWNsky !
TinyArts 10 months ago
Wow, if you didn't know any better the way Ducheowitz is speaking is like Palestinians are the ones with the fighter jets, massive american funded armys, and the ethnic cleansing mentality.
kmacaa 11 months ago 42
@kmacaa They have the latter at least, rest assured.
TheGoldenKing20 6 months ago
@TheGoldenKing20 That would depend which "they" that you are referring to. If you are referring to the Palestinians (like I assume) I would suggest that hostility on their behalf is for an understandable reason. I do rest assured, but it's not because I think the Middle East is hostile towards Western civilization. I don't understand how that would lead to assurance, but it's your analogy. How about trying to not be intentionally vague if you want to discuss such important issues.
kmacaa 6 months ago
I should have been more clear: I didnt mean whole Isreal but the strips the settlers want to stay on. I dont hate Israelis at all. I dont hate any people just because of their nationality. What I hate are nationalists, racists and ALL human rights violators.
Ah4b 11 months ago
general ability and amount of lying. Lawyer > linguist
FieldingYost 11 months ago
you stupid fucks that dont know shit!!!
israel for everrrrr!!!!!!!
all you israel haters can keep on runing around your tail but NO MATTER what you do or say
israel will ALLWAYS BE ALIVE,ALLWAYS!!!!
and GOD IS ON OUR SIDE!!! so fuck you haters,fuck the devil worshiping muslims,fuck you bitches that dont have any life
and on each "jew" thats anti zionist (like that fucked up chomsky)
i can give you an arab or muslim thats pro israel (nina darvish,bridgit gabreal,ect)
jesse from ISRAEL
jessescapone 11 months ago
@jessescapone And now, what was your argument?
Ah4b 11 months ago
@Ah4b
that you can keep on hating israel and try to do what ever patehtic things you do in your sad life
to feel good about yourself and to feel that "your fighting for justice"( but the only thing your fighting fo is EVIL!!!")
and we israelis say to allllll of you "SUCK OUR HARD ISRAELI DICK" cause no matter what you are trying to do or say about us....WE WILL KEEP LIBERATING OUR HISTORICAL LAND!!!
and tell the fucking palastinians TO GET LOST!!!
kapish?
jesse from israel
jessescapone 11 months ago
@jessescapone If you want to lead a good life then do it like Chomsky. Read, talk, travel and know many people. You want to stay on a tiny piece of desert and have only your shouting, hating, fighting friends around you? Now thats a sad life. It's disgusting.
Ah4b 11 months ago
@Ah4b
you are just the type that hats us and doesent really have a point to why he hates us cause if you call one of the most MODERN countrys in the world "tiny peace OF DESSERT" then you are the sad one!!
israel.....tiny? YES!
all desert?? LOL hell no!!!
learn history and then you will stop being brainwased and hating
and yes we are fighting "friends" around us (who are the biggist terorists and humen rights violators)
and they are fighting us from day 1
and we are fighting for our home
jessescapone 11 months ago
@jessescapone It is funny how you are always coming back to the discussion here and saying when you are done talking to someone..then a few days later you come back and respond. That is the way Zionists work, out talk and end conversations when they decide they don't need to say more about how sad their lives are being persecuted.
Also - 2000 years of not being at your "homeland"..you really aren't supposed to be back since the messiah isn't back yet. Of course Zionists aren't really religious.
spitboi7 8 months ago
@Ah4b
now i am done with you
bye bye
jessescapone 11 months ago
@jessescapone Mr Chomsky is also pro-israel.
TinyArts 10 months ago
@TinyArts ohhhh yes he is "VERY PRO ISRAEL" !!!
just like in the holocaust there were jewish "kapo" sending jews to the ovens!!!
god save us from those "israel lovers" like that self hating jew and traitor mr chomsky!!!
we will never leave this land of OURS and and if we will need to fight for it with our last breath, WE WILL!!!
we survived 2000 years of hatred and murdering of our ppl and WE ARE FINALLY BACK HOME.
LEAVING HERE???? HEHE HELL NO
jessescapone 10 months ago
@jessescapone He is more pro-israel then you ever will be. And pulling out the holocaust card is such a classic. Nice one :) but i don't blame you, you don't know better. You are a self appointed representive of the holocaust victims and you use it whenever you get the chans, to justify your hatred. That is an insult to all the victims. Dead people can't protest after all. God bless them.
Who says that you have to leave your land?
TinyArts 10 months ago
@TinyArts
all you "pro israel" guys...
there isn't anything you could do or say that would change our mind about you little ignorant ppl.
and YES YOU WANT US TO LEAVE OUR LAND(wheather you are aware or un awaer of it) YOUR ACTIONS AND VIEWS SHOW IT!!! but the more you hate us and think "YOU ARE JUST FIGHTING FOR JUSTICE" THE MORE WE ARE STRONGER!
and about "pulling the holocaust card" well i just stated A FACT! and ohhhh i know you would loooove for us to forget about the gholocaust HEHE
jessescapone 10 months ago
@TinyArts
and when the fucking arabs would stop pulling the cards of them "wanting to come back to there home" i would stop pulling my cards.
HATRED IS A LIFESTYLE FOR ARABS,and you are talking to me about hatred????
they give there baby guns "to kill jews" for there birthday.
they are feeding hatred to there kids!
and if they want there home they can go to jorden (where 80% of jordanians are palestinians!!!)
and im done with you,you CANT CHANGE MY MIND and i cant change yours! bye bye
jessescapone 10 months ago
It's funny: Even though Dershowitz claims that "both sides have done terrible things," he never EVER articulates what Israel has done wrong. He says he disagrees with the settlements, but rarely talks about them, as though they are minor issues.
mlc2005 11 months ago
when did this debate take place?
PlanetBongoSan 11 months ago
Wow. Even this Harvard crowd can't contain themselves and just starts cracking up in the midst of Dershowitz's most outrageous lies that he's busy spitting through his teeth. What a clown.
Ydefinity 11 months ago
Dershowitz is full of shit. lies after lies. When does it stop? never!
gosillygirl 11 months ago
didn't he represent oj simpson? enuf said
cieluore 11 months ago
Dershowitz was exposed by Mr. Finkelstein as a liar and demagog. His books are a pile of bullshit as he himself.
Mrjaguarpaw1 1 year ago
Dershowitz was exposed by Mr. Finkelstein as a liar and demagog. His books are a pile of bullshit as he himself. I am sorry for Harvard and its students
Mrjaguarpaw1 1 year ago
Dear Noam. He's getting on a bit now. I wish he could live to be a thousand. There's no one quite like him.
marmite400 1 year ago
Dershowitz: rhetoric
Chomsky: facts
MonsieurEm 1 year ago
And then his callous reference to Arafat's death as untimely because he should have died sooner. If Dershowitz can's see that HIS attitude is excessively hateful and spiteful, then how can he later complain that Israel has been unfairly beset by hate in the general discourse? Never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity. BS. The 2states proposed by Isreal never involve a dismantling of the West Bank settlements and Jewish roads, and that is HUGE. People should see a map of that.
johnuio 1 year ago
There is one way that Dershowitz is not "Chekhovian": When he says no more de-legitimating or demonizing Israel, what he really means is no CRITICIZING of Israel. That's too absolute, and it means (as usual) that Dershowitz insists on Israel always having a kind of moral supremacy superimposed into the mood of all debates on the Palestinian situation. That's an unfair way to propose debate, and it just goes to show that overzealous debatesmanship is more about winning than honest dealing.
johnuio 1 year ago
I can't believe Dershowitz had the balls to appear on stage with Chomsky.
Mojuggernaut 1 year ago
@Mojuggernaut Especially when he knew he would have to rely on lies, against Chomskys decisive fact! Seemed like intellectual suicide
big3t 11 months ago
@big3t
When a Havard Law Professor can't argue your case, you must be guilty!
Mojuggernaut 11 months ago
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Mojuggernaut 1 year ago
Very few people deny the right of Jews to self-determination..it's the expulsion and occupation of other people that's the problem. Until supporters of Israel face up to this fact there won't be peace.
Falstaff85 1 year ago
Cmon Dershowitz! You Zionist Loony toon.
Sing it:
on 1.2.3
"THIS LAND...IS MINE...GOD GAVE THIS LAND TO ME!"
Symbolc0729 1 year ago
I doubt dershowitz believes most of what is in the OT. Hes probably a secularist, which would negate the whole "god promised us this land" arguement
feces4u 1 year ago
God, this guy Dershowitz makes me sick!
bang2dis 1 year ago
It's unfortunate that Dershowitz was the representative for this debate. I feel that the case for Israel could have been argued much more effectively and rationally [the outcome may or may not have changed].
ShiatsuHaven 1 year ago
Interesting Dershowitz should reproach opponents their equation of Israeli policy and Zionism with Nazism, when he uses words like "total victory". "Totaler Sieg" is a very Nazi connected expression. As Chomsky could surely explain better, one's choice of words is very, very revealing of one's convictions.
dinavienna 1 year ago
Chomsky, you have a fan in me :)
We, at the University of Western Sydney will keep the cause that you and other noble, wise and intelligent brings stand for.
goknur1977 1 year ago
You rock my socks chomsky!
jmsbrgg 1 year ago
Dershowitz is loud and obnoxious, a typical lawyer using emotive techniques to win the crowd... good luck sunshine!
jmsbrgg 1 year ago
most people dont delegitimise israel,they support international law.Harvard is a disgrace to education
brianmoran1973 1 year ago
Well, Nazism is incorrect, but apartheid is a pretty apt comparison. Yeah, dershawich, Palestine rejected the deal because the 1948 partition was a ripoff. It conferred Israel(who were 33% of the population and 10% of the land ownership) with 55% of the land, and palestine (65% of the population and 85% of the land ownership) with only 45% of the land. Not to mention that the land didn't belong to the UN or Brittan to give away in the first place.
FieldMarshalB 1 year ago 2
@FieldMarshalB Great comment. as someone who grew up in a former part of the 3rd Reich, I must say the propaganda, especially the denial of the Palestinian existence and people since Golda Meir, as well as the unashamed state terrorism outside of one's territory (attacks on opponents in lebanon, killing Lebanese security forces and civilians), and of course the recent big-time escalation with killing of hundreds to over 1,000 civilians as revenge for a couple of Israeli deaths is Nazi-like.
dinavienna 1 year ago
@FieldMarshalB Not to forget the impossibility of gaining citizenship without Jewish heritage. Where is the difference between the Aryan pass and this pass to citizenship? That is more than apartheid.
dinavienna 1 year ago
@dinavienna You are very correct Sir, or Ms.. We had something much like this in the US at one time, I am sad to say. There was a time (bout 100 years ago I think) where non-whites were denied citizenship in the US. Of course, we are taught today in schools that it was a shameful policy, and rightly so. Out of curiosity what country are you from? Deutshland? The European press is much better on foreign affairs than the major media in the US, right?
FieldMarshalB 1 year ago
Well, Nazism is incorrect, but apartheid is a pretty apt comparison. Yeah, dershawich, Palestine rejected the deal because the 1948 partitian was a ripoff. It conferred Israel(who were 33% of the population and 10% of the land ownership) with 55% of the land, and palestine (65% of the population and 85% of the land ownership) with only 45% of the land. Not to mention that the land didn't belong to the UN or Brittan to give away in the first place.
FieldMarshalB 1 year ago
"Delegitimate Israel"? Man, that old saw is really wearing thin. It's awesome how Dershowitz just jabbers on and on, knowing that every time his lips slap together he can add that to his billable hours, that Israel will pay him for every false word, and caring not a whit that everyone in the room knows he's a shyster, a fraud, a plagiarist, and a petty liar.
Loathsome.
skradek 1 year ago
Dershowitz attacked the man, not the ideas. Chomsky has always been a man of ideas. If you convince him on the spot he will change sides on the spot, I believe. But all Dershowitz wanted was to mount a Showitz.
altaescuelaecuestre 1 year ago
"Stop demonizing Israel" Amen!
princicocha 1 year ago
Dershowitz is a philistine.
MyMelancholyDodo 1 year ago
"Delegitimating"? WTF. This man is a Harvard Law professor? Oh, he has a pro-Israel view and strong rhetoric. That explains it.
insaniac82 1 year ago
That Dershowitz is Professor @ Harvard ? Wat ?
Bunkertor1828 1 year ago
LET the lawer talk and censure the academic Chomsky That s why they took away PART 4 hahahahaha CHOMSKY RULES !
cempakilispa 1 year ago
Dershowitz is right, you freaks who attack Israel actually are the force that keeps the terrorists fighting ... and you do not know what the hell you are talking about.
Pro-Palestinians are Anti-Israeli ...
Pro-Israelis are often Pro-Palestinian .... well said Dersh!
justgivemethetruth 1 year ago
@justgivemethetruth
yeah but Palestine is not conquering Israel and Israel is conqering Palestine.
xMaXiMuSx 1 year ago
@justgivemethetruth
What a disgusting inference. I resent it, sir. People who want to see the Israelis cease killing innocent people are, therefore, "the force that keeps terrorists fighting"?
Shame on you for saying such a ridiculous, immoral and inaccurate judgement.
QwidgyboMan 1 year ago
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holacaust is a myth, and everyone knows that.
With time now israel will pay a heavy price for these crimes.
They started the 1st ww and the 2nd ww.
lie allwasy they are the main criminal.Time to build up Hezbollah:
everyone who look at my comment have to see TALMUD as well to understand the filthynes of the zionist.
desiman1 1 year ago
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these are the opening statements, which present arguments. watch the rest of the debate.
foos234 1 year ago
these are the opening statements, which present arguments. watch the rest of the debate.
foos234 1 year ago
My god Dershowitz loves himself. I love the way he self indulgently proposes a peace treaty amongst academics, whatever that means, and Chomsky doesn't even acknowledge it, instead he exposes him as being the lying snake that he is. Chomsky = truth.
MegaLotusEater 1 year ago 72
@MegaLotusEater I like your statement, but unfortunately by mistake I pressed a wrong buton :(
Stano87 1 year ago
@Stano87 Think nothing of it.
MegaLotusEater 1 year ago
@MegaLotusEater
Dershowitz speaks in generality and emotional terms, which of course are useful in the courtroom or the politcal arena. He tries win the debate by assigning blame. Yeah, not much of a debate. "A peace treaty among academics?" By calling on more support of Israel? .."and to join the vast majority of supporters..." Right, that's the opposite of intellectual or moral autonomy.
dangoettel100 10 months ago
Dershowitz is a demagogue ... it's a pathetic speech!
xgeronimo005 1 year ago 40
@xgeronimo005 Agreed. He is in love with the sound of his own voice.
thesparitan 7 months ago
Dershowitz has proven time and time again to be a dedicated liar. He takes a truly shameful stance.
GreatDylan420 1 year ago 2