Sorry Stacy. Check your premise. Jesus never endorsed same sex marriage. He advocated that the kingdom of god was at hand, and that people should turn away from sin and follow him. Of course in order to do that, you had to reject sin. And that also entails rejecting same sex marriage.
Jesus said: Take your pick. "Heaven or same sex marriage, you can have one, you can't have both."
In the begining GOD created a MAN and a WOMAN...and that means that they HAVE to be together...and if same sex marriage is accepted by GOD and His son Jesus Christ...why God did NOT create only two men or two women?
In the begining GOD created a MAN and a WOMAN...and that means that they HAVE to be together...if same sex marriage is accepted by GOD and His son JESUS CHRIST...why GOD did NOT create only two men or only two women???
in the begining GOD created a MAN and a WOMAN...and that means that they HAVE to be together...if same sex marriage is accepted by GOD and His son JESUS...why GOD did NOT create only two men or two women?
In the begining GOD created a MAN and a WOMAN...and that means that they HAVE to be together...if same sex marriage is accepted by GOD and His son JESUS...why GOD did NOT create only two men or two women?
Hello, The LORD Jesus Christ would never support same sex marriage. Why? Because Jesus Christ from the Holy Bible is GOD. GOD made it clear in HIS WORD that homosexuality is wrong. (1) In the King James Version, Leviticus 18:22 is translated: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." These are the words of ALMIGHTY GOD. There are others verses in the Holy Bible about this as well. Please see Leviticus 20:13. Obey the WORD of GOD-- The Holy Bible.
@BelieveGrace5 The Bible also supports the institution of slavery and the inferiority of women and certain races, two things most of the advanced world has abandoned by now.
Shouldn't we be following the WORD OF GOD by keeping slaves, and not allowing women to have professional jobs and the right to vote? Please see 1 Timothy 2:11-15, 1 Corinthians 14:34-36, Exodus 21:7-11, Exodus 21:20-21, 1 Timothy 6:1-2 Endorses the raping of virgins: Numbers 31:13-18
@BelieveGrace5 If your [gods] is all powerful and created things in his image. Then why are there homosexuals in not just in humans, but other animals?.Your god(s) sure have a funny sense of humor.
Im not gay nor am I religous Im a skeptic of all supernatual ideals. I agree though that jesus would be for gay marriage not just because he said to love everyone like your brother but more importantly because during the roman/greek/spartian times that jesus grew up in, it was common for adult males to have a gay lover. Jesus also partook in this roman custom of having a gay lover. But more importantly we shouldnt base out ideals on just 1 man nor 1 book but the collective minds of intellegence.
The existence of Jesus is not in question. His divinity is. If Jesus is the Son of God, then these what-would-Jesus-do questions are very important. If He is not, then it's all just a big joke.
Likewise, same-sex marriage exists and has existed ever since the first time a bear told a twink he didn't have to go home. As long as at least one gay person thinks that a marriage exists, then it does. What is at stake is the acceptance of gay marriage by the society, and we don't.
In brief: homosexuality is condemned throughout the Bible. Homosexuality is never presented in a positive or benign way. It is plainly described as an abomination to God.
Jesus Christ is a person who we know from the Bible as the Son of God.
I conclude that Jesus cannot endorse the legitimization of any homosexual act. It is important to note that, like all sinners, homosexuals can (1) repent (2) accept Christ and (3) receive eternal salvation.
@jessemckay How can you believe in a book that was written 300 years after Jesus's death?
He DID roams around with twelve men and a prostitute...wonder what they did at night. *wink wink* I heard palm oil makes a good lube :) Thanks a lot you religious nuts, for holding back the human race from evolving the last five thousand years!
Believe what you want! That's the joy of a free mind. And say what you want! That's the joy of a free Internet.
All of these wacky-libs are so happy-happy-happy with you! They love the idea of a free-love, hippy-dippy, commie-doper, gay Jesus that will side with them against those mean ole Bible-thumpers!
Hey, if you want to make of fun of a widely-accepted religion, *this* is the way to go. Jews would call you all kind of names and the Muslims wouldl kill you!
@jessemckay -- free minds indeed...read your bible again, That dude Jesus was the biggest liberal of all! He taught "Love, tolerants, and forgiveness" and it seems to escapes you christian or jews or the quran religious nut jobs. I'm not religious, but if I had to chose one, it would be Buddhism--Only because it teaches "self" improvements and self loves and live in harmony with natures and our fellow humans.
"Love, tolerants (tolerence) and forgiveness" seems to mean something else to you.
It is absolutely possible to love your neighbors even if they are heathens, idolators, sodomites, heretics, or lunatics. We absolutely should pray for them, and if we can, help them.
In Jesus' time, Jerusalem and all the cities of Israel were ruled by Rome. I suppose you think Jesus should have struck down Caesar and freed the Israelites to have their own kingdom again, but He didn't..
"Tolerance" does not, and never has, meant an all-skate, "everything-goes" society where Christians are somehow obliged to *approve of* the repugnant practices or views of others. That is not what "tolerance" means.
Jesus and His contemporaries were governed by Rome, and this was a pagan government. Prostitution, slavery, idolatry, and even temple orgies were not only tolerated but sanctioned. None of this activity is God's plan.
With a word, Jesus could have ordered the fall of Rome, and the Earth itself would have broken open to receive it. But He did not -- but not because He approved of Caesar and his pagan government. Not because He approved of slavery or these other wicked practices.
The sun rises and it also sets, and the age of Rome is long over.
Today, America is the superpower, not Rome; and the Constitution provides that We The People rule America. Well, we are are not pagan, but 85% Christian.
Of course, pagans and Christians can live together and with some harmony, under certain circumstances. Our value system condemns people for actions, not for thoughts or beliefs. Our value system establishes that innocent life has worth. With our value system in place, there is genuine love, tolerance, and forgiveness of others.
But Rome, and its pagan value system, emphasized order, loyalty, and fealty. When it was time to show tolerance or love to Christians, instead they sent lions.
The libertarians (or, for that matter, the anarchists) who live among us would agree that society's will is best unimposed. That's a little difficult for those of us who have lived under so many thousands and thousands of pages of it to accept. It's also quite ironic that the secular progressives who would bind us to so many rules and taxes and authorities and czars, are so fanatical about freedom as long as it only means freedom of the genitals.
Once upon a time, marriage was between the couple and their God, with no guidance from the state or from organized religion. About 1000 years ago, the Catholic Church began deciding who could, and who could not marry. Almost 500 years ago the Pope told the King he couldn't get a divorce, and ever since then, government has been the defender of marriage.
Until 100 years ago, the US Congress didn't have the authority of direct taxation. Now that it does, there is considerable leeway given to married couples and to families with dependent children, for taxing purposes.
I want to explain here that a gay couple can walk right into a Unitarian Church, have the ceremony, have the cake with two brides or two grooms on top, have a marriage certificate that is signed and sealed and everything...
but so far as 45 states and the Federal Government are concerned, they are not legally married. And that's why we are here, because people who cannot *legally* marry miss out on a big gov't goodie bag.
In some states, gay couples cannot adopt children; and, of course, at this time there is no scientific Frankenstein deal to conceive a child that does not have a male parent and a female parent. So, gays miss out -- that's why we are here.
Seriously. We don't chase the gays out of town with mobs and torches. We don't run them out on a rail, or all sign a petition and ask them to leave.
Americans do an awfully bad job of ruining the lives of homosexuals. Heck, they have parades, Elton John, Key Largo, and there's a TV channel. South Park keeps doing the "that's so gay" thing but Wanda Sykes is on TV with the rebuttal. Target stores are in trouble because they aren't pro-gay enough.
So -- we've established it's not a piece of paper that gay activists want. It's money -- billions of dollars of it -- in the form of tax relief that married people get that gay couples don't.
And the most important and impressive thing that gay activists want is nothing.
Silence.
They want to squash criticism from the straight community. Preachers will be censored. We won't be able to have this discussion -- it'll be illegal to tell you that God forbids homosexuality.
The same group rights that are currently doled out to blacks or Hispanics will suddenly apply to gays. If you are offended that the "N-word" is called the "N-word," then you understand what I mean. America can't afford tribes, personage, peerage, or royalty.
So wise up, America. Don't screw up a third time.
You seem very homophobic. Gays do not want money. They want to have the same rights as straight people. They should not be denied the right to marry just because they are gay. They want to be able to make a commitment to their partner and show their love for them. That is what the gay community wants, not money.
Gays do not want silence. they want to be able to not have to be silent. And to be open and loved and accepted for who they are.
We've had the discussion about what marriage is, and a very limited history of how marriage has been recognized and which organs of society and government have controlled and regulated it. When the Pope would not grant Henry VIII a divorce from Catherine of Aragon, soon the "Church of England" appeared, and Henry as the head of the church granted himself a divorce. English law came to the Americas with the colonists. Though we have no C of E, the state protects marriage.
@jessemckay I don't see much of a connection to gay marriage in this message. I did not ask about divorces. Everyone should have the right to love and marry who they want. What if it was illegal to be straight and for straight couples to marry? You would not like that. You have to put yourself in a gay persons point of view. What if you could not marry the one you loved and show your loyalty to them? You wouldn't like that too much would you? No, didn't think so. Have a good day.
Ridiculous. No one has the "right" to marry whomever they wish and certainly not every couple has the right to marry each other. You can't marry your sister, your first cousin, yourself, a six-year old, a dog, or a plant. You can't marry a man and a woman. You can't get married if you're already married, even if you are in the middle of divorce.
You can, however, marry for all of the wrong reasons.
You can marry because you want to get out of your parents' house. You can marry for money or security. Anna Nicole Smith's marriage to a very, very elderly millionaire was absolutely legal. You can marry to gain citizenship, if you're careful enough. You can marry for spite or out of pity. You can marry for puppy love. You can marry out of boredom, to keep a friendship, or because you think you love each other, or to prove a point.
The pro-gay marriage arguments and the pro-gays in the military arguments seen similar to me.
Egalitarian: Everyone should be allowed.
Neutrality: We shouldn't care if gays are allowed.
Non-discriminatory: We're all bigots if we don't approve.
Again, there is a triple strategy afoot. Put out a gay marriage initiative if that might work. Send a bill through the legislature or hide it as a rider. Argue in the courts. Get Obama to sign an executive order.
"What if it (sic) was illegal to be straight and for straight couples to marry? You would not like that."
Families and children are the way of human civilization. To ban it is to end it. When the 5% want something from the 95%, they beg and plead. When the 95% want something, they seize it, with no explanation offered. This is also our way.
In modern times there is a propensity to grant to the 5% that which they have not earned, often at the expense and disapproval of the 95%. Unwise.
That is crazy. I never said anything about people getting married to a plant or animal. I was not talking about beastiality. I am talking about homosexuality.
But now that we are on the subject of incest I am not opposed to that either. There have been many people who have fallen in love with their family members and many people who support it. Everybody should be able to show their love and to any human they like no matter who they are. People will love who they want.
The best likely solution which I think would be amicable to both of us, is the abolition of federally or state-recognized marriage of any kind.
Government-sanctioned marriage more or less worked for about 500 years because the church and state filled their roles correctly. There was no controversy in denying marriage that was incestual, repugnant, or abominable.
Pressure groups and 100 years of progressive politics have corrupted the government in this matter.
Montesquieu explained that government's proper role is that no man should fear another. Removal of fear, not want, is a boundary we should observe.
If "gay" is limited to the actions of one person alone, there is damn little I can do or would care to do about it, but government gains a protective interest when there is more than one person.
For family's sake, it is good that society should not be blind to the needs of a woman who is humbled and abandoned with child.
Many states, such as California and Florida, have decided that the woman is entitled to half the marital assets - we call these "community property" laws.
Withdrawing state recognition of all marriage could reduce the state's oversight to that of business contracts, and perhaps this will suffice.
I think we were best served when a man and a woman announced their bonds to one another openly on the public square, and church and community were both structured to reinforce those bonds.
The man who humbles a woman outside of marriage degrades her, but through marriage they have a spiritual bond together before God.
Marriage is a sacrament. It is a holy union of a man and a woman before God. How can two men or two women have a holy union before God, before whom their relations are an abomination? It defies all sensibility.
Some church somewhere will acknowledge gay marriage, and so long as I am not compelled to compact with them, then I have no basis for argument.
That's just weird people being weird, and the gov't staying out of it, and there is something particularly American somehow about that. Pet rocks, ouija boards, the Playboy Mansion, and Howard Stern are all pretty weird, but it is more weird to try to get rid of them than it is to let them alone. The obnoxious or idiotic should attain their own place without gov't help or hindrance.
The Queen of England also wields the title of "Defender of the Faith."
It's been awhile since there's been any semblance of defending the faith stateside. Of late, the state has become very lazy and lax in matters that in any way defend the faith, and the ACLU is very much a part of that undoing.
The pagans, the heretics, the infidels here in the USA demand a secular government. But , as we've all seen --- like a ship with a broken rudder, a secular government is just plain dangerous.
What we've seen time and time again is the 5% placing heavy burdens upon the 95%. Give me this protection, give me this exclusion, this right, that privilege. And this government has stacked up those burdens one after another.
This has to end.
Group rights, tribal lands, special privileges, hate crimes and hate speech, equal opportunity, quotas, protections, all this has to end.
No more assuming someone is going to fail because of skin color, gender, race, color, creed, whatever.
No more set-asides. No more giveaways. No more bailouts.
200 years ago "Justice" was depicted as a blind woman holding a set of scales. "Justice is blind (meaning impartial)." Well, 200 years later, Justice is not blind. Justice is watching every bleeping move you make. Justice is watching you like a hawk, with a billion page lawbook to shut you down if there's any complaint that you are a racist, a sexist, and coming up next, homophobe.
@jessemckay For very good reason as well in the eyes of the Church and its desire to expand its membership and to create an Army to fight of oposing forces. It jus made sense back then, it does not make any sense today with a planet like ours being stretched to the limits polutions and resource wise, now more then every it makes sense that we should not be replicating like rabiits. But as long as people like yourself just blindly follow withour rational thought, we are hopeless.
Although I cannot be sure (who could?) it seems like you are trying to build the case that gay marriage is better than, equal to, or not substantially lesser than straight marriage because Earth is becoming crowded and polluted.
Ah, the Mother Earth Defense.
"Folks, the planet's full, so everybody gay-couple up and just queer off for the next 30-40 years."
A stupid idea, but on the plus side it has the advantage of never having been tried.
God forbade homosexuality in all religions,what the hell are u talking about? and jesus his prophet never supported homosexuality..u're saying nonsense..jesus being all about love doesnt mean he supports such nasty thing..stop corrupting ppls' minds
Its so funny. People use Jesus and religion is back everything under the sun when it comes to things involving the US but as soon as it contradicts something they say, Jesus and religion isn't that important anymore. Get the fuck out of here!
Jesus was all about "Love"? You've obviously not read the Gospels! Jesus often reaffirmed the 'wrath & justice' of God his Father! Let us also not forget that "JESUS WAS A JEW": that religious faith demanded adherence to a rigid code of "SEXUAL MORALITY," part of which spoke highly disapprovingly of homosexual encounters! This was later emphasized by the Apostles who preached to the "Gentiles" for whom homosexual activities were "acceptable" practices viewed as "normal" (much like it is today).
@MyITRcom Religion is Taking ones wallet, opening ones wallet upside down and shaking ones wallet till all the money has fallen into the wicker basket......jesus likes nice things XO
@brianh406 Yeah, I love what George Carlin says about that, God sure is broke, he is all powerful but always needs money, the sucker just can't seem to figure out how to make money.
To "make money" (through entreprenurial or intellectual activity) is an American idiom. This phrase never existed in any other language or culture. It was always understood and expressed that money circulated amongst the elite and never reached the commoners. One could never "make" it.
Money -- because it is a token of voluntary exchange and not the whip -- is the beginning of freedom. Money has no value unless a credible structure of gain and loss exists.
He wouldn't be a supporter as much as against those who would persecute others for it. It's silly this has to be a serious issue but we have too many kooks voting in America. America is run by kooks. It's probably a good thing it will lose it's power in the next era.
Families will be torn apart because of Jesus. “Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." Matthew 10:21
Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. Matthew 5:17
Jesus is not the loving character you think, he is just as evil as the biblical God and as morally corrupt.
@MyITRcom father like son? I agree with you. Which is why I am happy that yaweh and jesus are fictional characters. If jesus was real, his story was super paul bunyan-ized.
god made nature and nature made gay men and women. the min my friend hit puberty she was attracted to females and she said men grossed her out the thought of having sex with a man made her want to throw up
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
anyone who believes they can be christian and gay is just sad unfortunately. the bible is a terrible place to get morality from
@BrannonMcConkey sorry it took so long to reply. yes i agree i have been made aware of ignorance in my school the stupid stick to what they know it's probably the biggest threat to our society to date, ignorance and fear of knowledge. our whole civilisation is based upon the science that made it possible but some people will never see i'm 16 and the lack of interest of people in all age groups and lack of trust for science is appalling and pathetic.
Its funny that Zhihveli and people like him(xtians) Think the crazy people are the Non-Believers? People who hear voices live in Mental Institutions, why shouldn't the xtians? To think "god" the Maker of the Universe Everything we know has guidelines and rules for us to follow via a paper back book. A BOOK a freeking book that came off a press in a book making factory, not heaven, and were the crazy ones thank god you dont follow Harry Potter Religiously, or do you. I mean its a book too.
Where is in the gospel Jesus banning any kind of love?
and don't give me your OLD testament crap or go and live like those cave people used to live 3000yrs ago. We've evolved and so the laws.
Everyone deserve the same civil, state, federal, whatever rights, and marry in a congregation who accept you the way you are. The governament don't ask your sexual option when you pay taxes. I don't get why hetero people are so concerned about that!? and they don't pay gay people's taxes/bills right?
@burlacchini "Where is (sic) in the gospel Jesus (sic) banning any kind of love?" Well, there are six different kinds of "love." (1) I love pepperoni pizza. (2. I love my dog. (3) I love my country. (4) I love my family. (5) I love my wife.. (6) I love Kim Kardashian's ta-tas. (7) I love [my sexual fantasy.] To ban love between people, as in (4) and (5) above, is beyond irrational. To ban a set of sexual practices that is causing a pandemic is something else altogether.
Before human writings, marriage was simply between you and your God. In some circles, families began to protect marriage -- using the dowry and the bridal price as seed money to ensure that the marriage would endure. A thousand years ago, the Church began to protect marriage -- this is where that "if there are any objections" bit came into the mix.
When the Pope could not be convinced to annul the marriage of Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon, England relieved the Church...
The American Colonies (and later, the States) continued the practice of the State being the protector of marriage. When income taxes were placed upon the people in the 20th century, breaks were given for married couples, and certainly there are many other tax advantages marrieds have over singles.
Today, five states and the District of Columbia will permit the marriage of same-sex couples -- an arrangement that is preferred in zero states.
(1) At first there were no institutions protecting marriage.
(2) Then families began to act as protectors of marriage.
(3) Much later, the Roman Catholic Church acted as a protector of marriage.
(4) In the 16th century, the Reformation demanded that the state (England) protect marriage.
In 1996, Congress passed, and President Bill Clinton signed, the Defense of Marriage Act, which expresses the federal government's one man, one woman definition of marriage.
DOMA, as it is known, declares that for federal purposes, marriage consists of one man and one woman, and that no State may impose on any other state (through the "Full Faith and Credit Clause," for example) their definition of marriage as being any other than a one-man, one woman union.
Since 1996, five states and DC have acted without strong popular assent, through judicial activism or legislative overreach, and have rewritten marriage into something none of the founders intended.
@jessemckay Governments destroy freedom Major media destroys information Religions destroy spirituality Lawyers destroy justice Doctors destroy health Universities destroy knowledge Only love rebuilds We should never interfere in free will because what goes around comes around Our civilization is a big failure and denial is the dragon we all have to slay I wish you much love and lights
(1) "Just look at us. Everything is backwards. Everything is upside-down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information, and religion destroys spirituality."---Michael Ellner
(2) "Only love rebuilds [...]" ---- this is sourced from a gay novel.
(3) "Do we have choices, free will to make our lives what they are? Is Karma really a b***h? Is it true that what comes around goes around?" --- anonymous blogger, March 16, 2011
(4) "Civilisation is a big failure. Be alternative." --- anonymous blogger, unknown date
(5) "[,,,] denial is the dragon we all have to slay." --- Alex Collier
(6) "I wish you much love and lights" --- anonymous, unknown date
Let's thank the author(s) for their profound wisdom.
@jessemckay Whatever you say. I just don't understand why someone would spend so much energy trying to interfere people's way of be into his/her own belief. How can you be affected? let's suppose it's a "sin" be homossexual, do you think you are in position to judge? Forget your hypocrisy and bigotry and if you really believe in God, let Him take care of each one who is in "SIN", including you and keep for yourself your own beliefs if you want to be respected.
"How can you be affected? let's suppose it's a "sin" be homossexual, do you think you are in position to judge?"
It is a fallacy that a religious person is thereby unqualified to make any sort of judgments of the conduct of others. "Judge not, lest ye be judged," is the ammunition of the opponent who plays the hypocrisy card. But you make a judgment every time you cross the road, because if you don't, you're dead.
God's judgment is that homosexuality is an abomination.
"Forget your hypocrisy and bigotry and if you really believe in God, let Him take care of each one who is in 'SIN', including you and keep for yourself your own? beliefs if you want to be respected."
In the time of Moses, God's people (Israelites) were slaves; in the time of Ruth they were ruled by judges; in Solomon's day there was a kingdom; in the time of Daniel it was occupied by the Babylonians and then the Medes and Persians; in the time of Jesus it was ruled by the Romans.
Political arrangements permit different styles in the way God's will is advanced and respected by the community. No doubt there is some difference between Britain (whose monarch has been titled "Defender of the Faith" for almost 500 years) and America, where freedom of religion reigns, which has the motto, "In God We Trust."
Defending the faith and trusting in God is now ridiculed, by those who are busy defiling the faith and trashing God.
The hedonists think it's 1965 and they are marching to Selma. Where's their Martin Luther King? Oh, look, that drag queen looks like Charo.
What have we learned from 2008? That we are just one Obama away from anything. Seriously. Anything. If we pull the wrong lever on Tuesday, basically we're Zimbabwe for four years.
We never knew this in 220 years of elections because there was never a Zimbabwe lever to pull. It was probably those hypocrite bigots that wouldn't give us one.
@jessemckay WOW! how ignorant you are! Civil, as well as state and federal laws are NOT based upon religions or any other personal beliefs and they MUST NOT BE! That's what we call JUSTICE. Look at the MESS you religious people are creating all over the world. Grow up and keep your "religion" to yourself,
"Look at the MESS you religious people are creating all over the world."
The fallacy of division and composition is presented here. (1) Violent Muslims are religious. (2) Christians are religious. (3) Therefore, Christians are violent.
But it's a fallacy, because you cannot demonstrate that 2.2 billion Christians are violent.
(Tolerance cuts both ways. Christians live in a world with 1.5 billion Muslims. Gays live in a world with 6 billion straights.)
@jessemckay Maybe you're just like millions of people brainwashed by certain religions. I know good Christians and even Muslims who filtered a lot, you know, throughout thousands of years many things in these books were twisted and changed by the interest of those who once ruled. I follow my heart, my God is unconditional love, compassion, forgiveness... Try a psychologist it may help or just come out of the closet, be gay is OK, but if you insist, good grief! I'll pray for you
I will gladly discuss, for the benefit of the Reader, what I believe and understand about Jesus, about marriage, about gay marriage, and about what I believe Jesus' reaction to gay marriage is and would be.
That is our topic.
To those in opposition, who either don't know of, or believe in Jesus -- or those who strongly support gay marriage -- or (my favorite) who think that Jesus probably mellowed a lot in 2000 or so years and now thinks gay marriage is just fine, welcome.
To those who want to take this forum as a means to criticize Christians or Christianity; or those who say that Jesus is evil, or not divine, or not important; or those who say that gays are good or bad, or people who support gay marriage are good or bad -- if there is a very polite and compelling argument, go ahead, but tread lightly because this is by definition not the place for that.
"WOW! how ignorant you are! Civil, as well as state and federal laws are NOT based upon religions or any other personal beliefs and they MUST NOT BE! That's what we call JUSTICE."
Biblical ideas such as supremacy of God and fallibility of man, limited government, rule of law, equality under the law, fair trials with witnesses, private property rights, and free enterprise are commonplace in Western society.
This woman doesn't understand the concept of love.
Jesus was murdered in the most gruesome way, by her logic he would've accept everything the Jewish leaders of the day were teaching and not go to the cross.
So, THATS WHY I THINK that Jesus would NOT ( and would is just because of the would used in the tittle of the video, in fact what I'm saying is Jesus does not support same sex marriage, he is alive you know ).
@Zhihveli "Jesus was murdered in the most gruesome way," ARE you kidding me? I would've kicked his teeth in and kept him alive for a few more month torturing him with his own diseases and virus he has inflicted on us.....(If he existed of course which we all know he didn't) He got off waaaaay easy. He deserved waaaay worse. He Bitched out like a little girl.......His followers take the easy road just like "their" maker.....shame
@Zhihveli Come again? Your comment was confusing. Any-who I'm not the one who talks to invisible beings, believes rubbish like the earth being six thousand years old and women were made out of a rib of a man...LMFAO Medical attention you say.
Christian moral teachings, as derived from the Bible, are a contradictory mess of historical myths about human nature combined with a pseudo-historical account which produces a confusing, odd and inappropriate set of morals. i.e. No jesus wouldn't approve of Gay marriage being he teaches bigotry and hatred.
Abrahamic religions have contributed to the most negative and destructive attitudes towards sexual issues, especially homosexuality. Christian and Islamic groups are the most vocal assailants on any legal or societal moves towards tolerance and equality.
The liberal wings of some of these religions have adapted to the wide (European) acceptance of homosexuality. Many traditional religions reject the scientific, medical and psychological knowledge that we have gained about sexuality and regard homosexuality as "unnatural", a "choice" or a "moral evil". These religions are themselves immoral and evil in their attitude, causing hatred, bigotry, violence and oppression in the name of God.
Homosexual communities have become accustomed to the ranting of religious fundamentalists and traditionalists, and this causes a strong anti-religious instinct in academic gay circles.
People project whatever values they hold onto Jesus, but honestly I don't think it should matter where Jesus would stand on issues like this. Our laws aren't decided by the personal opinions of prophets and mystics, there's a reason we don't allow spectral evidence in court nor enshrine the ten commandments in law (do a check list, see how many are actually law, and which of those are universal regardless of religion) nor invoke any god in our constitution.
The people of our fifty states are obliged under our system of government to correct the errors of the legislature, of the executive, and of the courts through the vote.
The Constitution created a federal government responsible for national security, postal roads, coining money, and about a dozen other concerns.
The Framers' wish for a small central government and more broad authority for the states has over time been changed by hurried amendments.
Today, a sprawling federal bureaucracy is run by a crowd of self-involved lawyers and their lobbyists. Our republic is threatened on one side by corporatists, on another side by the socialists, on a third side by the agitators, and on a fourth side by the outsiders.
The gay rights crowd is a small part of this third side; dividing America faction by faction, pitting us one against another, demanding special ("equal") consideration, demanding new government under Communist pretenses:
that authority must be ceded, laws must be written, commissioners must be hired, prosecutors must file, judges must sit and juries must hear... because the common man is too foolish, too prejudiced, too bigoted, too illiterate, too biased by religion, to be trusted in his dealings with his neighbor, that they be fair enough. Oh, and certainly such a man, without sufficient training, without coercion of law, should not be allowed as employer, or landlord, or teacher, or as any authority.
Our Constitution was written on a single page, with seven fairly brief Articles, and has been expanded by twenty-seven fairly brief Amendments. Although it does not pause to identify or respect the Creator, all fifty of the state Constitutions do.
Our opponents who demand respect for that which is wicked... seem willing to ride the train of secular government they believe is enshrined in the federal constitution as far as it will take them, and then derail that train when it suits them.
They have demanded... and this Obama, this worst of all Presidents, has apparently aceded to this request, that the federal government will not enforce all its own given laws. The 111th Congress, acting in darkness, in a lame-duck Congress, has led with tail lights instead of headlights, and has acted to dismantle the Don't-Ask-Don't-Tell compromise from Hell, and has somehow (?) sided with Hell.
All gay rights actions have already come back to haunt us, and this is only the beginning.
It is of course very strange to see in print (even considering the source) a protest of laws condemning crimes against nature, condemning those laws as crimes against humanity. How can human rights protect unnatural acts?
Communism begins with the notion that the government cannot trust the people, and the freedom that we all enjoy as Americans must be rooted in the notion that the people cannot trust the government.
hey you dumb bitch, the bible specifically speaks against homosexuallity. so Jesus would definetly NOT be a supporter. now does that mean he would be a hateful fearmonger? no, but he would most definetly not support.
@kamakazishark WOW!!! I love when xtians use violence or foul language to either make/argue a point......Furthers my case for of which group of people are further evolved. Group A who worship/speak of invisible things i.e. god, jesus, heaven/hell, souls etc. Group B who speak of furthering Humanity through equality and compassion. Hmmmm
@brianh406 1st of all asshole when Jesus was around people werent really speaking engish so the only thing that makes foul language foul is the opinions of stupid fucks like you. second of all you dont know shit about me or what i believe by some comments on youtube. and i find it funny that you would replace Christ with the letter x just to piss people off. i wonder who or what would make you do that, hmmm... and 3rd you talk about equality and compassion yet you attack religious beliefs. weak.
@kamakazishark god bless your Ignorant heart....LMFAO!!! Seriously jebus doesn't mind you calling people assholes? Pretty sure I was taught different at the catholic school I grew up in....Do you really think your jebus wants you calling his creation(me) a "stupid fuck"? So does it piss you off when people abbreviate christmas with X-mas? Radical American Taliban, This is what you are. Silly girl!
@brianh406 im sure Jesus does not approve of me calling you an asshole, but he knows you are one just like everyone else.catholic school huh? well i wouldnt exactly call catholics christians, but at least i know why you feel like you do now. most people are traumatized after being molested so i forgive you.but i would suggest you change your style.athieism is just a glamorous way the devil made for you to deny GOD. the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesnt exist
"athieism is just a glamorous way the devil made for you to deny GOD. the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesnt exist"
---Are you talking about god or the devil? Because you know as well as I they are both equally illusive and equally visible.......
@Menla1 1st of all you are the moron. the catholic religion was created by the declining roman empire as a way to stay in power when the empire was falling. 2nd of all christians dont dress up in gold robes and call each other holy father. you dont know jack shit about what you are talking about and you call people idiots. but when you and child molesting nazi leaders of the catholic church are burning in hell it is you who will be begging for mercy.
@kamakazishark you dont know anything about christian history do you? st. peter was the first "pope" it is a tradition that is in the bible. thats not how catholicism started at all, catholicism is the original religion of christendom. then the schism occured which was over where the pope should reside. they stick closest to the biblical commandments. i still think all christianity is bullshit but at least know ur facts.
@Menla1 he is a nazi and the entire catholic church is full of evil people who annoint themselves as holy father and pray through their supposed saints. who they actually pray to is none other than fallen angels. the catholic church has manipulated history books and locked real doctorine inside the walls of the vatican. no christian prays to anyone outside of the holy trinity. bi am not going to call you names or attempt to talk sense into you. enjoy your future.
@kamakazishark hahahaha. wow first of all "are non other than fallen angels" not is.
also no they havent? if they altered the history books would they not do so to paint themselves in better light?
there are protestant saints and orthodox saints too? look them up. you are an idiot. you dont even know anything about your own religion. you believe in a fantasy and dont even understand the fantasy. thats just sad.
Equality is not a suicide compact. Equality is not a license for extreme behavior. Equality does not impose upon the just the standards and morals of the unjust. A free society is not by definition prohibited from moral codes and statutes.
"Invisible things," like oxygen, radiation, radio and TV signals, satellite transmissions, electricity, X-rays, wireless internet and viruses govern an awful lot of your daily life in the modern world.
"Compassion" does not mean and never meant that the murderer/rapist is left free to act again. Compassion does not imply society's approval or tolerance of profoundly abnormal behavior.
For two centuries, immigrants knew that moving to America meant embracing our culture and our language. Now, Mexicans slip the border and do everything they can to stay Mexican. Is it compassionate to help them? To feed them in the desert? To make sure that their children hear only Spanish in our schools?
No, clearly it is not compassionate to aid a person who is breaking the law. It is not compassionate to make wrongdoing palatable or safer. It is not compassionate to raise a child in an English-speaking country and reject English in any way possible, thereby limiting him to the hottest and sweatiest of menial jobs.
Compassion, tolerance, and love of one's fellow man are Biblical ideals. Subjugation, slavery, and execution of non-believers are not our ideals and are wrong for Muslims, too.
"Invisible things," like oxygen, radiation, radio and TV signals, satellite transmissions, electricity, X-rays, wireless internet and viruses govern an awful lot of your daily life in the modern world.
You ever heard of a microscope?
Hey smart guy radio/tv signals, satellites, x-rays, wireless internet, etc ARE all radio waves(radiation).....GOOD GOD and no they are not invisible, lol ...... radiation detectors......-Science, look into it.
in-vis-i-ble, n., unable to be seen; adj., not visible to the eye.
Although devices exist which allow people to know about all of the items on the list I presented, none of them can be seen with the unaided eye, and as such, all of them are invisible.
The bible which pretty much is believed by little over 2 billion people or followers is a word of God CAN NOT be more specific when it comes to gays.
Jesus is NOT about "LOVE", HE demands "... Put to DEATH" if a man is to lie with another man which is a SIN. It can't be more specific. God is not love my dear otherwise HE wouldn't have allowed 400,000 people to die in Haiti earthquakes and let 30,000 starving children die every year!!
And I hope you were a VIRGIN before your wedding night!
(2) Wearing clothes of the opposite sex Bringing the hire of a harlot or sodomite into God's house Re-marriage of former companions Cheating others Making images/idols Idols of Ammon Idols of Moab Idols of Zidon Incense offered by hypocrites Eating unclean things Offering human sacrifices Robbery Murder Adultery Prayers of the rebel Eating flesh of peace offerings on the 3rd day Homosexuality Taking ornaments from idols when being destroyed Any Idolatrous practices
(3) A false witness that speaks lies A sower of discord Wickedness A false balance or scale Sacrifices of the wicked The way of the wicked The thoughts of the wicked The proud of heart Justifying the wicked Condemning the just Divers, dishonest weights Divers, dishonest measures Refusing to hear the law Prayers of the rebel Eating flesh of peace offerings on the 3rd day Homosexuality Taking ornaments from idols when being destroyed
I don't think you read my comment correctly. I am an Atheist and an open minded person who cares about all types of people. It's the religion that makes us people to hate one another...
@Nosvids You're a bit on the OFF side of things. I am a Christians & Jesus does not condone what you say. Jesus is not only about Love, but he IS love! And he abolished the old covenant so we are no longer under the old covenant. The new covenant is that the laws are written on your hearts.If you're guilty of one sin then your guilty of them all; and if you're guilty of them all then you're guilty of being a homo too. But it does say that the sexually immoral with not inherit the kingdom of God
@truvelocity You "looked into" whether or not "Jesus was a real person... " ? What did you do, google it? I'm not religious at all, but the "historical record" is quite clear that Jesus was a man who lived and who people followed as a prophet. God may not exist but Jesus of Nazareth most certainly did.
@trancewe There's no historical record outside of bible stories during Pontius Pilots rule of any known Jesus that was executed nor buried on any record at the time of his so called life and so called death. The Romans are innocent.
@PoofyBurrito It's not separation OF church and state. It's separation of the church FROM the state. Consider why the rue Christians left Europe in the first place, they were escaping organized religion.
The bible is a mixed bag and everything hinges on the reader's interpretation (ie. his/her own personal biases). On the one hand, Jesus clearly condones following Old Testament law, which forbids homosexuality. On the other hand, he does hint that we've outgrown them and, of course, Jesus never uttters a single word either for or against homosexuality. I think Jesus had other things to worry about than what people do with their penises and vaginas. Paul is the only NT writer to condemn it.
I'll put it to you like this, we got 2 years left before all hell breaks loose here on earth. So why would you want to chance burning in hell for all eternity? a dick in the booty can't be worth missing out on golden streets
@MadeYouMad67 I'm a Christian. There are no golden streets because there is no literal New Jerusalem. The NJ is us Christians. And not only will man still be here in 4 years, but we will be here in a million years! There is no "end times' in the bible. The rapture is a myth concocted from scriptures that speak of death "the unknown hour". But you're right the sinner will not inherit the kingdom of God, unless he repents from sin and lives for God.
what she is saying is BLASPHEMY, Jesus is Holy, completely HOLY and He utterly CONDEMNS homosexual depravity, in fact He rained fire out of Heaven on Sodom and Gommorah for this debauchery.
Jesus is God (the unseen omnipresent Holy Spirit) in the flesh. God/Jesus said that no sexually immoral person will inherit the kingdom of God. So NO Jesus would NEVER in any way whatsoever support two perverts living together in sin.
Life and sex are gifts from God. Our children are our gifts back to God. God loves people and he wants many many more of them. Why would God support two perverts living together in sin? He wouldn't. They are a disgrace to life & they offer nothing back to life.
...as deals with homosexuality. Marriage is supposed to be a holy union (which means "set apart", and purified), where it's ultimate phsyical expression, sex, is saved only for that union--for mutual pleasure between a husband and a wife, as well as for creating new life, ie. children. I hope that helps clarify things a bit. I appreciate you asking about this. Thanks.
well, I focused on homosexuality because that was the topic of this video to which I am responding....that seemed pretty logical and straightforward to me.
As regards what foods are clean or unclean to eat, the Christian response is that Jesus Christ has made all foods clean (Mark 7:19), and so God's people are no longer obliged to make a special point of refraining from pork or shelfish. As for being a virgin until wedded, that falls under the same category of "moral law"...
your argument is hat 'Jesus is all about love, therefore he must condone same sex marriages because they are bout love'. Could you simplify these matters anymore?!
First of all, I would urge you to read the New Testament, included in which are 4 different accounts about the life of Jesus. It is true, Jesus is about love: loving God; loving your neighbour; loving your enemy. Two things: loving God means honouring Him and keeping His commands--throughout the Bible, God condemns homosexuality....
....and gives people the appropriate model for marriage: one man, and one woman, to the exclusion of all others, for the purposes of pleasure and procreation, just as it was ordained by God in the beginning of the world. Second thing: just because Jesus is all about loving people, doesn't mean he automatically approves of and condones all actions just because people love the action. People love all sorts of sin, and that doesn't make the sin right. Loving people doesn't mean condoning their sin.
WOW yet another delusional Nelkinism but, this time Stacey the Airhead has become an official spokesperson for Jesus Christ-AMAZING! Hey bimbo-NEWSFLASH, Jesus/God loves the sinner & hates the sin. And(PC be damned) Homosexuality 2 many religions,not just Christianity, IS A SIN & AN AFFRONT 2 GOD.Or do you think(well we know you don't) God destroyed Sodom(thus the word Sodomy)& Gomorrah just for shits & grins? If God wanted Homosexual "marriages" why not just make Adam & Steve or Eve & Ellen?
first things first..Love isnt based on attraction okay. Whether your gay or straight, love doesnt start with attraction...Jesus wasnt a supporter of love cuz he was love himself..cant love on ur own atheist or not cuz its put in us from birth.Being born gay is a result from sin jacking everything up just like people born with defect,ocdc,etc..God actually say homosexuality is a sin..Jesus hates the sin not the person...Jesus even spoke how hes against homosexuality.
I'm sorry bt thell me just one think, did you evere look in to the Bible, just one's ? If not i can halp you find the place where God tell you everything about this... short and clear.
You must be referring to a Jesus who is a mexican guy that lives in your neighborhood. You are certainly not referring to Jesus Christ of the Bible who is big on love and tough on sin.
This has been flagged as spam show
Hey women, you don't know Jesus!
Toughtreasure 2 months ago
lol dyke.
youureebeautiifulllx 3 months ago
One thing is for certian christianity is for the gullible and ignorant, proven by the rants on here.
MyITRcom 5 months ago
Sorry Stacy. Check your premise. Jesus never endorsed same sex marriage. He advocated that the kingdom of god was at hand, and that people should turn away from sin and follow him. Of course in order to do that, you had to reject sin. And that also entails rejecting same sex marriage.
Jesus said: Take your pick. "Heaven or same sex marriage, you can have one, you can't have both."
TrunksXV 6 months ago
In the begining GOD created a MAN and a WOMAN...and that means that they HAVE to be together...and if same sex marriage is accepted by GOD and His son Jesus Christ...why God did NOT create only two men or two women?
GehZillionaire 9 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
In the begining GOD created a MAN and a WOMAN...and that means that they HAVE to be together...if same sex marriage is accepted by GOD and His son JESUS CHRIST...why GOD did NOT create only two men or only two women???
GehZillionaire 9 months ago
Comment removed
GehZillionaire 9 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
in the begining GOD created a MAN and a WOMAN...and that means that they HAVE to be together...if same sex marriage is accepted by GOD and His son JESUS...why GOD did NOT create only two men or two women?
GehZillionaire 9 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
In the begining GOD created a MAN and a WOMAN...and that means that they HAVE to be together...if same sex marriage is accepted by GOD and His son JESUS...why GOD did NOT create only two men or two women?
GehZillionaire 9 months ago
Comment removed
GehZillionaire 9 months ago
Comment removed
GehZillionaire 9 months ago
Believe what you want--just leave the rest of humanity alone!
PepeLePew125 9 months ago
Hello, The LORD Jesus Christ would never support same sex marriage. Why? Because Jesus Christ from the Holy Bible is GOD. GOD made it clear in HIS WORD that homosexuality is wrong. (1) In the King James Version, Leviticus 18:22 is translated: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." These are the words of ALMIGHTY GOD. There are others verses in the Holy Bible about this as well. Please see Leviticus 20:13. Obey the WORD of GOD-- The Holy Bible.
BelieveGrace5 9 months ago
@BelieveGrace5 The Bible also supports the institution of slavery and the inferiority of women and certain races, two things most of the advanced world has abandoned by now.
Shouldn't we be following the WORD OF GOD by keeping slaves, and not allowing women to have professional jobs and the right to vote? Please see 1 Timothy 2:11-15, 1 Corinthians 14:34-36, Exodus 21:7-11, Exodus 21:20-21, 1 Timothy 6:1-2 Endorses the raping of virgins: Numbers 31:13-18
carlsm95 9 months ago
@BelieveGrace5 If your [gods] is all powerful and created things in his image. Then why are there homosexuals in not just in humans, but other animals?.Your god(s) sure have a funny sense of humor.
PepeLePew125 9 months ago
@BelieveGrace5 Be like Jesus and stop perpetuating hate!!
Manventure1 9 months ago
@BelieveGrace5 Well one thing is clear he would call you a bigot.
MyITRcom 5 months ago
bullshit, good ol' jesus would get himself a gun and shoot those fairies
fleischpudding 9 months ago
God is Love
Giants21tiki 10 months ago
Im not gay nor am I religous Im a skeptic of all supernatual ideals. I agree though that jesus would be for gay marriage not just because he said to love everyone like your brother but more importantly because during the roman/greek/spartian times that jesus grew up in, it was common for adult males to have a gay lover. Jesus also partook in this roman custom of having a gay lover. But more importantly we shouldnt base out ideals on just 1 man nor 1 book but the collective minds of intellegence.
Socoolscienceshow 10 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@Socoolscienceshow
" it was common for adult males to have a gay lover. Jesus also partook in this roman custom of having a gay lover."
Clearly a troll. Best advice is don't feed the trolls.
jessemckay 10 months ago
@truvelocity
The existence of Jesus is not in question. His divinity is. If Jesus is the Son of God, then these what-would-Jesus-do questions are very important. If He is not, then it's all just a big joke.
Likewise, same-sex marriage exists and has existed ever since the first time a bear told a twink he didn't have to go home. As long as at least one gay person thinks that a marriage exists, then it does. What is at stake is the acceptance of gay marriage by the society, and we don't.
jessemckay 10 months ago
In brief: homosexuality is condemned throughout the Bible. Homosexuality is never presented in a positive or benign way. It is plainly described as an abomination to God.
Jesus Christ is a person who we know from the Bible as the Son of God.
I conclude that Jesus cannot endorse the legitimization of any homosexual act. It is important to note that, like all sinners, homosexuals can (1) repent (2) accept Christ and (3) receive eternal salvation.
jessemckay 11 months ago
@jessemckay How can you believe in a book that was written 300 years after Jesus's death?
He DID roams around with twelve men and a prostitute...wonder what they did at night. *wink wink* I heard palm oil makes a good lube :) Thanks a lot you religious nuts, for holding back the human race from evolving the last five thousand years!
PepeLePew125 10 months ago
@PepeLePew125
Believe what you want! That's the joy of a free mind. And say what you want! That's the joy of a free Internet.
All of these wacky-libs are so happy-happy-happy with you! They love the idea of a free-love, hippy-dippy, commie-doper, gay Jesus that will side with them against those mean ole Bible-thumpers!
Hey, if you want to make of fun of a widely-accepted religion, *this* is the way to go. Jews would call you all kind of names and the Muslims wouldl kill you!
jessemckay 10 months ago
@jessemckay -- free minds indeed...read your bible again, That dude Jesus was the biggest liberal of all! He taught "Love, tolerants, and forgiveness" and it seems to escapes you christian or jews or the quran religious nut jobs. I'm not religious, but if I had to chose one, it would be Buddhism--Only because it teaches "self" improvements and self loves and live in harmony with natures and our fellow humans.
PepeLePew125 9 months ago
@PepeLePew125
"Love, tolerants (tolerence) and forgiveness" seems to mean something else to you.
It is absolutely possible to love your neighbors even if they are heathens, idolators, sodomites, heretics, or lunatics. We absolutely should pray for them, and if we can, help them.
In Jesus' time, Jerusalem and all the cities of Israel were ruled by Rome. I suppose you think Jesus should have struck down Caesar and freed the Israelites to have their own kingdom again, but He didn't..
jessemckay 9 months ago
"Tolerance" does not, and never has, meant an all-skate, "everything-goes" society where Christians are somehow obliged to *approve of* the repugnant practices or views of others. That is not what "tolerance" means.
Jesus and His contemporaries were governed by Rome, and this was a pagan government. Prostitution, slavery, idolatry, and even temple orgies were not only tolerated but sanctioned. None of this activity is God's plan.
jessemckay 9 months ago
With a word, Jesus could have ordered the fall of Rome, and the Earth itself would have broken open to receive it. But He did not -- but not because He approved of Caesar and his pagan government. Not because He approved of slavery or these other wicked practices.
The sun rises and it also sets, and the age of Rome is long over.
Today, America is the superpower, not Rome; and the Constitution provides that We The People rule America. Well, we are are not pagan, but 85% Christian.
jessemckay 9 months ago
Of course, pagans and Christians can live together and with some harmony, under certain circumstances. Our value system condemns people for actions, not for thoughts or beliefs. Our value system establishes that innocent life has worth. With our value system in place, there is genuine love, tolerance, and forgiveness of others.
But Rome, and its pagan value system, emphasized order, loyalty, and fealty. When it was time to show tolerance or love to Christians, instead they sent lions.
jessemckay 9 months ago
@jessemckay My point is anyone believe in whatever they want...but stop lecturing your believes upon everyone else--that goes for the atheist also!
PepeLePew125 9 months ago
@PepeLePew125
The libertarians (or, for that matter, the anarchists) who live among us would agree that society's will is best unimposed. That's a little difficult for those of us who have lived under so many thousands and thousands of pages of it to accept. It's also quite ironic that the secular progressives who would bind us to so many rules and taxes and authorities and czars, are so fanatical about freedom as long as it only means freedom of the genitals.
jessemckay 9 months ago
Once upon a time, marriage was between the couple and their God, with no guidance from the state or from organized religion. About 1000 years ago, the Catholic Church began deciding who could, and who could not marry. Almost 500 years ago the Pope told the King he couldn't get a divorce, and ever since then, government has been the defender of marriage.
jessemckay 9 months ago
Until 100 years ago, the US Congress didn't have the authority of direct taxation. Now that it does, there is considerable leeway given to married couples and to families with dependent children, for taxing purposes.
I want to explain here that a gay couple can walk right into a Unitarian Church, have the ceremony, have the cake with two brides or two grooms on top, have a marriage certificate that is signed and sealed and everything...
jessemckay 9 months ago
but so far as 45 states and the Federal Government are concerned, they are not legally married. And that's why we are here, because people who cannot *legally* marry miss out on a big gov't goodie bag.
In some states, gay couples cannot adopt children; and, of course, at this time there is no scientific Frankenstein deal to conceive a child that does not have a male parent and a female parent. So, gays miss out -- that's why we are here.
jessemckay 9 months ago
Seriously. We don't chase the gays out of town with mobs and torches. We don't run them out on a rail, or all sign a petition and ask them to leave.
Americans do an awfully bad job of ruining the lives of homosexuals. Heck, they have parades, Elton John, Key Largo, and there's a TV channel. South Park keeps doing the "that's so gay" thing but Wanda Sykes is on TV with the rebuttal. Target stores are in trouble because they aren't pro-gay enough.
jessemckay 9 months ago
So -- we've established it's not a piece of paper that gay activists want. It's money -- billions of dollars of it -- in the form of tax relief that married people get that gay couples don't.
And the most important and impressive thing that gay activists want is nothing.
Silence.
They want to squash criticism from the straight community. Preachers will be censored. We won't be able to have this discussion -- it'll be illegal to tell you that God forbids homosexuality.
jessemckay 9 months ago
The same group rights that are currently doled out to blacks or Hispanics will suddenly apply to gays. If you are offended that the "N-word" is called the "N-word," then you understand what I mean. America can't afford tribes, personage, peerage, or royalty.
So wise up, America. Don't screw up a third time.
jessemckay 9 months ago
@jessemckay
You seem very homophobic. Gays do not want money. They want to have the same rights as straight people. They should not be denied the right to marry just because they are gay. They want to be able to make a commitment to their partner and show their love for them. That is what the gay community wants, not money.
Gays do not want silence. they want to be able to not have to be silent. And to be open and loved and accepted for who they are.
BizarreAndrogynous 7 months ago
@BizarreAndrogynous
We've had the discussion about what marriage is, and a very limited history of how marriage has been recognized and which organs of society and government have controlled and regulated it. When the Pope would not grant Henry VIII a divorce from Catherine of Aragon, soon the "Church of England" appeared, and Henry as the head of the church granted himself a divorce. English law came to the Americas with the colonists. Though we have no C of E, the state protects marriage.
jessemckay 7 months ago
@jessemckay I don't see much of a connection to gay marriage in this message. I did not ask about divorces. Everyone should have the right to love and marry who they want. What if it was illegal to be straight and for straight couples to marry? You would not like that. You have to put yourself in a gay persons point of view. What if you could not marry the one you loved and show your loyalty to them? You wouldn't like that too much would you? No, didn't think so. Have a good day.
BizarreAndrogynous 7 months ago
@BizarreAndrogynous
Ridiculous. No one has the "right" to marry whomever they wish and certainly not every couple has the right to marry each other. You can't marry your sister, your first cousin, yourself, a six-year old, a dog, or a plant. You can't marry a man and a woman. You can't get married if you're already married, even if you are in the middle of divorce.
You can, however, marry for all of the wrong reasons.
jessemckay 7 months ago
You can marry because you want to get out of your parents' house. You can marry for money or security. Anna Nicole Smith's marriage to a very, very elderly millionaire was absolutely legal. You can marry to gain citizenship, if you're careful enough. You can marry for spite or out of pity. You can marry for puppy love. You can marry out of boredom, to keep a friendship, or because you think you love each other, or to prove a point.
The state doesn't know your mind.
jessemckay 7 months ago
The pro-gay marriage arguments and the pro-gays in the military arguments seen similar to me.
Egalitarian: Everyone should be allowed.
Neutrality: We shouldn't care if gays are allowed.
Non-discriminatory: We're all bigots if we don't approve.
Again, there is a triple strategy afoot. Put out a gay marriage initiative if that might work. Send a bill through the legislature or hide it as a rider. Argue in the courts. Get Obama to sign an executive order.
Do it by any means possible.
jessemckay 7 months ago
"What if it (sic) was illegal to be straight and for straight couples to marry? You would not like that."
Families and children are the way of human civilization. To ban it is to end it. When the 5% want something from the 95%, they beg and plead. When the 95% want something, they seize it, with no explanation offered. This is also our way.
In modern times there is a propensity to grant to the 5% that which they have not earned, often at the expense and disapproval of the 95%. Unwise.
jessemckay 7 months ago
@jessemckay
That is crazy. I never said anything about people getting married to a plant or animal. I was not talking about beastiality. I am talking about homosexuality.
But now that we are on the subject of incest I am not opposed to that either. There have been many people who have fallen in love with their family members and many people who support it. Everybody should be able to show their love and to any human they like no matter who they are. People will love who they want.
BizarreAndrogynous 7 months ago
@BizarreAndrogynous
The best likely solution which I think would be amicable to both of us, is the abolition of federally or state-recognized marriage of any kind.
Government-sanctioned marriage more or less worked for about 500 years because the church and state filled their roles correctly. There was no controversy in denying marriage that was incestual, repugnant, or abominable.
Pressure groups and 100 years of progressive politics have corrupted the government in this matter.
jessemckay 7 months ago
Montesquieu explained that government's proper role is that no man should fear another. Removal of fear, not want, is a boundary we should observe.
If "gay" is limited to the actions of one person alone, there is damn little I can do or would care to do about it, but government gains a protective interest when there is more than one person.
For family's sake, it is good that society should not be blind to the needs of a woman who is humbled and abandoned with child.
jessemckay 7 months ago
Many states, such as California and Florida, have decided that the woman is entitled to half the marital assets - we call these "community property" laws.
Withdrawing state recognition of all marriage could reduce the state's oversight to that of business contracts, and perhaps this will suffice.
I think we were best served when a man and a woman announced their bonds to one another openly on the public square, and church and community were both structured to reinforce those bonds.
jessemckay 7 months ago
The man who humbles a woman outside of marriage degrades her, but through marriage they have a spiritual bond together before God.
Marriage is a sacrament. It is a holy union of a man and a woman before God. How can two men or two women have a holy union before God, before whom their relations are an abomination? It defies all sensibility.
Some church somewhere will acknowledge gay marriage, and so long as I am not compelled to compact with them, then I have no basis for argument.
jessemckay 7 months ago
That's just weird people being weird, and the gov't staying out of it, and there is something particularly American somehow about that. Pet rocks, ouija boards, the Playboy Mansion, and Howard Stern are all pretty weird, but it is more weird to try to get rid of them than it is to let them alone. The obnoxious or idiotic should attain their own place without gov't help or hindrance.
jessemckay 7 months ago
The Queen of England also wields the title of "Defender of the Faith."
It's been awhile since there's been any semblance of defending the faith stateside. Of late, the state has become very lazy and lax in matters that in any way defend the faith, and the ACLU is very much a part of that undoing.
The pagans, the heretics, the infidels here in the USA demand a secular government. But , as we've all seen --- like a ship with a broken rudder, a secular government is just plain dangerous.
jessemckay 7 months ago
What we've seen time and time again is the 5% placing heavy burdens upon the 95%. Give me this protection, give me this exclusion, this right, that privilege. And this government has stacked up those burdens one after another.
This has to end.
Group rights, tribal lands, special privileges, hate crimes and hate speech, equal opportunity, quotas, protections, all this has to end.
No more assuming someone is going to fail because of skin color, gender, race, color, creed, whatever.
jessemckay 7 months ago
No more set-asides. No more giveaways. No more bailouts.
200 years ago "Justice" was depicted as a blind woman holding a set of scales. "Justice is blind (meaning impartial)." Well, 200 years later, Justice is not blind. Justice is watching every bleeping move you make. Justice is watching you like a hawk, with a billion page lawbook to shut you down if there's any complaint that you are a racist, a sexist, and coming up next, homophobe.
Atlas is getting ready to shrug, folks.
jessemckay 7 months ago
@jessemckay For very good reason as well in the eyes of the Church and its desire to expand its membership and to create an Army to fight of oposing forces. It jus made sense back then, it does not make any sense today with a planet like ours being stretched to the limits polutions and resource wise, now more then every it makes sense that we should not be replicating like rabiits. But as long as people like yourself just blindly follow withour rational thought, we are hopeless.
MyITRcom 7 months ago
@MyITRcom
Although I cannot be sure (who could?) it seems like you are trying to build the case that gay marriage is better than, equal to, or not substantially lesser than straight marriage because Earth is becoming crowded and polluted.
Ah, the Mother Earth Defense.
"Folks, the planet's full, so everybody gay-couple up and just queer off for the next 30-40 years."
A stupid idea, but on the plus side it has the advantage of never having been tried.
jessemckay 5 months ago
God forbade homosexuality in all religions,what the hell are u talking about? and jesus his prophet never supported homosexuality..u're saying nonsense..jesus being all about love doesnt mean he supports such nasty thing..stop corrupting ppls' minds
sweetangelworld 11 months ago
you have no idea of what the fuck you talking about!!! thats the dumbest shit i ever heard. do ya research before you make yourself look any dumber.
2ndbornchild 11 months ago
Its so funny. People use Jesus and religion is back everything under the sun when it comes to things involving the US but as soon as it contradicts something they say, Jesus and religion isn't that important anymore. Get the fuck out of here!
MrWatt619 11 months ago
Jesus was all about "Love"? You've obviously not read the Gospels! Jesus often reaffirmed the 'wrath & justice' of God his Father! Let us also not forget that "JESUS WAS A JEW": that religious faith demanded adherence to a rigid code of "SEXUAL MORALITY," part of which spoke highly disapprovingly of homosexual encounters! This was later emphasized by the Apostles who preached to the "Gentiles" for whom homosexual activities were "acceptable" practices viewed as "normal" (much like it is today).
KidBrotherIsWatching 1 year ago
Religion is the equivalent of cutting open the top of your head, taking out your brain and then filling it with shit.
MyITRcom 1 year ago
@MyITRcom Religion is Taking ones wallet, opening ones wallet upside down and shaking ones wallet till all the money has fallen into the wicker basket......jesus likes nice things XO
brianh406 1 year ago
@brianh406 Yeah, I love what George Carlin says about that, God sure is broke, he is all powerful but always needs money, the sucker just can't seem to figure out how to make money.
MyITRcom 1 year ago
@MyITRcom
To "make money" (through entreprenurial or intellectual activity) is an American idiom. This phrase never existed in any other language or culture. It was always understood and expressed that money circulated amongst the elite and never reached the commoners. One could never "make" it.
Money -- because it is a token of voluntary exchange and not the whip -- is the beginning of freedom. Money has no value unless a credible structure of gain and loss exists.
jessemckay 7 months ago
@jessemckay Agree with you on this completely, read the meaning of Money by Ayn Rand.
MyITRcom 7 months ago
He wouldn't be a supporter as much as against those who would persecute others for it. It's silly this has to be a serious issue but we have too many kooks voting in America. America is run by kooks. It's probably a good thing it will lose it's power in the next era.
mrwilliamwonder 1 year ago
Families will be torn apart because of Jesus. “Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." Matthew 10:21
Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. Matthew 5:17
Jesus is not the loving character you think, he is just as evil as the biblical God and as morally corrupt.
MyITRcom 1 year ago
@MyITRcom father like son? I agree with you. Which is why I am happy that yaweh and jesus are fictional characters. If jesus was real, his story was super paul bunyan-ized.
mistereveready 1 year ago
god made nature and nature made gay men and women. the min my friend hit puberty she was attracted to females and she said men grossed her out the thought of having sex with a man made her want to throw up
Joeyal123 1 year ago
Comment removed
mufc187 1 year ago
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
anyone who believes they can be christian and gay is just sad unfortunately. the bible is a terrible place to get morality from
judoisoww 1 year ago
@BrannonMcConkey sorry it took so long to reply. yes i agree i have been made aware of ignorance in my school the stupid stick to what they know it's probably the biggest threat to our society to date, ignorance and fear of knowledge. our whole civilisation is based upon the science that made it possible but some people will never see i'm 16 and the lack of interest of people in all age groups and lack of trust for science is appalling and pathetic.
judoisoww 1 year ago
Its funny that Zhihveli and people like him(xtians) Think the crazy people are the Non-Believers? People who hear voices live in Mental Institutions, why shouldn't the xtians? To think "god" the Maker of the Universe Everything we know has guidelines and rules for us to follow via a paper back book. A BOOK a freeking book that came off a press in a book making factory, not heaven, and were the crazy ones thank god you dont follow Harry Potter Religiously, or do you. I mean its a book too.
brianh406 1 year ago
Where is in the gospel Jesus banning any kind of love?
and don't give me your OLD testament crap or go and live like those cave people used to live 3000yrs ago. We've evolved and so the laws.
Everyone deserve the same civil, state, federal, whatever rights, and marry in a congregation who accept you the way you are. The governament don't ask your sexual option when you pay taxes. I don't get why hetero people are so concerned about that!? and they don't pay gay people's taxes/bills right?
burlacchini 1 year ago
jessemckay 10 months ago
@jessemckay
Before human writings, marriage was simply between you and your God. In some circles, families began to protect marriage -- using the dowry and the bridal price as seed money to ensure that the marriage would endure. A thousand years ago, the Church began to protect marriage -- this is where that "if there are any objections" bit came into the mix.
When the Pope could not be convinced to annul the marriage of Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon, England relieved the Church...
jessemckay 10 months ago
... in its capacity of defender of marriage.
The American Colonies (and later, the States) continued the practice of the State being the protector of marriage. When income taxes were placed upon the people in the 20th century, breaks were given for married couples, and certainly there are many other tax advantages marrieds have over singles.
Today, five states and the District of Columbia will permit the marriage of same-sex couples -- an arrangement that is preferred in zero states.
jessemckay 10 months ago
So, to recap:
(1) At first there were no institutions protecting marriage.
(2) Then families began to act as protectors of marriage.
(3) Much later, the Roman Catholic Church acted as a protector of marriage.
(4) In the 16th century, the Reformation demanded that the state (England) protect marriage.
In 1996, Congress passed, and President Bill Clinton signed, the Defense of Marriage Act, which expresses the federal government's one man, one woman definition of marriage.
jessemckay 10 months ago
DOMA, as it is known, declares that for federal purposes, marriage consists of one man and one woman, and that no State may impose on any other state (through the "Full Faith and Credit Clause," for example) their definition of marriage as being any other than a one-man, one woman union.
Since 1996, five states and DC have acted without strong popular assent, through judicial activism or legislative overreach, and have rewritten marriage into something none of the founders intended.
jessemckay 10 months ago
burlacchini 10 months ago
@burlacchini
Properly cited:
(1) "Just look at us. Everything is backwards. Everything is upside-down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information, and religion destroys spirituality."---Michael Ellner
(2) "Only love rebuilds [...]" ---- this is sourced from a gay novel.
jessemckay 10 months ago
(3) "Do we have choices, free will to make our lives what they are? Is Karma really a b***h? Is it true that what comes around goes around?" --- anonymous blogger, March 16, 2011
(4) "Civilisation is a big failure. Be alternative." --- anonymous blogger, unknown date
(5) "[,,,] denial is the dragon we all have to slay." --- Alex Collier
(6) "I wish you much love and lights" --- anonymous, unknown date
Let's thank the author(s) for their profound wisdom.
jessemckay 10 months ago
@jessemckay Whatever you say. I just don't understand why someone would spend so much energy trying to interfere people's way of be into his/her own belief. How can you be affected? let's suppose it's a "sin" be homossexual, do you think you are in position to judge? Forget your hypocrisy and bigotry and if you really believe in God, let Him take care of each one who is in "SIN", including you and keep for yourself your own beliefs if you want to be respected.
Peace
burlacchini 10 months ago
@burlacchini
"I just don't understand why someone would spend so much energy trying to interfere people's way of be into his/her own belief."
Hmmmm. Perhaps some people actually believe what their religion tells them.
jessemckay 10 months ago
@jessemckay
"How can you be affected? let's suppose it's a "sin" be homossexual, do you think you are in position to judge?"
It is a fallacy that a religious person is thereby unqualified to make any sort of judgments of the conduct of others. "Judge not, lest ye be judged," is the ammunition of the opponent who plays the hypocrisy card. But you make a judgment every time you cross the road, because if you don't, you're dead.
God's judgment is that homosexuality is an abomination.
jessemckay 10 months ago
"Forget your hypocrisy and bigotry and if you really believe in God, let Him take care of each one who is in 'SIN', including you and keep for yourself your own? beliefs if you want to be respected."
In the time of Moses, God's people (Israelites) were slaves; in the time of Ruth they were ruled by judges; in Solomon's day there was a kingdom; in the time of Daniel it was occupied by the Babylonians and then the Medes and Persians; in the time of Jesus it was ruled by the Romans.
jessemckay 10 months ago
Today, Israel is a constitutional republic.
Political arrangements permit different styles in the way God's will is advanced and respected by the community. No doubt there is some difference between Britain (whose monarch has been titled "Defender of the Faith" for almost 500 years) and America, where freedom of religion reigns, which has the motto, "In God We Trust."
Defending the faith and trusting in God is now ridiculed, by those who are busy defiling the faith and trashing God.
jessemckay 10 months ago
The hedonists think it's 1965 and they are marching to Selma. Where's their Martin Luther King? Oh, look, that drag queen looks like Charo.
What have we learned from 2008? That we are just one Obama away from anything. Seriously. Anything. If we pull the wrong lever on Tuesday, basically we're Zimbabwe for four years.
We never knew this in 220 years of elections because there was never a Zimbabwe lever to pull. It was probably those hypocrite bigots that wouldn't give us one.
jessemckay 10 months ago
@jessemckay WOW! how ignorant you are! Civil, as well as state and federal laws are NOT based upon religions or any other personal beliefs and they MUST NOT BE! That's what we call JUSTICE. Look at the MESS you religious people are creating all over the world. Grow up and keep your "religion" to yourself,
PERIOD!
burlacchini 10 months ago
@burlacchini
"Look at the MESS you religious people are creating all over the world."
The fallacy of division and composition is presented here. (1) Violent Muslims are religious. (2) Christians are religious. (3) Therefore, Christians are violent.
But it's a fallacy, because you cannot demonstrate that 2.2 billion Christians are violent.
(Tolerance cuts both ways. Christians live in a world with 1.5 billion Muslims. Gays live in a world with 6 billion straights.)
jessemckay 10 months ago
@jessemckay Maybe you're just like millions of people brainwashed by certain religions. I know good Christians and even Muslims who filtered a lot, you know, throughout thousands of years many things in these books were twisted and changed by the interest of those who once ruled. I follow my heart, my God is unconditional love, compassion, forgiveness... Try a psychologist it may help or just come out of the closet, be gay is OK, but if you insist, good grief! I'll pray for you
burlacchini 10 months ago
@burlacchini
I will gladly discuss, for the benefit of the Reader, what I believe and understand about Jesus, about marriage, about gay marriage, and about what I believe Jesus' reaction to gay marriage is and would be.
That is our topic.
To those in opposition, who either don't know of, or believe in Jesus -- or those who strongly support gay marriage -- or (my favorite) who think that Jesus probably mellowed a lot in 2000 or so years and now thinks gay marriage is just fine, welcome.
jessemckay 10 months ago
@jessemckay BONEHEAD, I'm over with you, gotta take care my own life, oh yeah I have one. Goodbye
burlacchini 10 months ago
To those who want to take this forum as a means to criticize Christians or Christianity; or those who say that Jesus is evil, or not divine, or not important; or those who say that gays are good or bad, or people who support gay marriage are good or bad -- if there is a very polite and compelling argument, go ahead, but tread lightly because this is by definition not the place for that.
jessemckay 10 months ago
@burlacchini
"WOW! how ignorant you are! Civil, as well as state and federal laws are NOT based upon religions or any other personal beliefs and they MUST NOT BE! That's what we call JUSTICE."
Biblical ideas such as supremacy of God and fallibility of man, limited government, rule of law, equality under the law, fair trials with witnesses, private property rights, and free enterprise are commonplace in Western society.
And they must be! That's what *we* call justice!
jessemckay 10 months ago
This woman doesn't understand the concept of love.
Jesus was murdered in the most gruesome way, by her logic he would've accept everything the Jewish leaders of the day were teaching and not go to the cross.
So, THATS WHY I THINK that Jesus would NOT ( and would is just because of the would used in the tittle of the video, in fact what I'm saying is Jesus does not support same sex marriage, he is alive you know ).
Zhihveli 1 year ago
@Zhihveli "Jesus was murdered in the most gruesome way," ARE you kidding me? I would've kicked his teeth in and kept him alive for a few more month torturing him with his own diseases and virus he has inflicted on us.....(If he existed of course which we all know he didn't) He got off waaaaay easy. He deserved waaaay worse. He Bitched out like a little girl.......His followers take the easy road just like "their" maker.....shame
brianh406 1 year ago
@brianh406 Let me start by saying:
You are in desperate need of medical attention!
I'll finish with this.
Zhihveli 1 year ago
@Zhihveli Come again? Your comment was confusing. Any-who I'm not the one who talks to invisible beings, believes rubbish like the earth being six thousand years old and women were made out of a rib of a man...LMFAO Medical attention you say.
brianh406 1 year ago
@brianh406 Brainiac, the title of the video is "Would Jesus be a supporter same sex marriage?" NO HE WOULD NOT!
Any-who, im not likely to continue this discussion with someone who believes whe came out of a monkey. So, all the best from me, God bless you.
Zhihveli 1 year ago
@Zhihveli Came out of a monkey????Uh monkeys cant give birth to humans, I would never have said that. Where did you come up with that????
brianh406 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@brianh406 @brianh406 Brainiac, the title of the video is "Would Jesus be a supporter same sex marriage?" NO HE WOULD NOT!
Any-who, im not likely to continue this discussion with someone who believes whe came out of a monkey. So, all the best from me.
Zhihveli 1 year ago
the only time jesus directly mentioned homosexuality was to explicity say they should not get married. that was the only time.
READ THE FREAKING BIBLE!
a friendly athiest.
Menla1 1 year ago
Christian moral teachings, as derived from the Bible, are a contradictory mess of historical myths about human nature combined with a pseudo-historical account which produces a confusing, odd and inappropriate set of morals. i.e. No jesus wouldn't approve of Gay marriage being he teaches bigotry and hatred.
brianh406 1 year ago
@brianh406 (2)
Abrahamic religions have contributed to the most negative and destructive attitudes towards sexual issues, especially homosexuality. Christian and Islamic groups are the most vocal assailants on any legal or societal moves towards tolerance and equality.
brianh406 1 year ago
@brianh406 (3)
The liberal wings of some of these religions have adapted to the wide (European) acceptance of homosexuality. Many traditional religions reject the scientific, medical and psychological knowledge that we have gained about sexuality and regard homosexuality as "unnatural", a "choice" or a "moral evil". These religions are themselves immoral and evil in their attitude, causing hatred, bigotry, violence and oppression in the name of God.
brianh406 1 year ago
@brianh406 (4)
Homosexual communities have become accustomed to the ranting of religious fundamentalists and traditionalists, and this causes a strong anti-religious instinct in academic gay circles.
brianh406 1 year ago
People project whatever values they hold onto Jesus, but honestly I don't think it should matter where Jesus would stand on issues like this. Our laws aren't decided by the personal opinions of prophets and mystics, there's a reason we don't allow spectral evidence in court nor enshrine the ten commandments in law (do a check list, see how many are actually law, and which of those are universal regardless of religion) nor invoke any god in our constitution.
GodlessInfinity 1 year ago 9
@GodlessInfinity Good comment very thoughtful.
Sicj 1 year ago
@GodlessInfinity
The people of our fifty states are obliged under our system of government to correct the errors of the legislature, of the executive, and of the courts through the vote.
The Constitution created a federal government responsible for national security, postal roads, coining money, and about a dozen other concerns.
The Framers' wish for a small central government and more broad authority for the states has over time been changed by hurried amendments.
jessemckay 4 months ago
Today, a sprawling federal bureaucracy is run by a crowd of self-involved lawyers and their lobbyists. Our republic is threatened on one side by corporatists, on another side by the socialists, on a third side by the agitators, and on a fourth side by the outsiders.
The gay rights crowd is a small part of this third side; dividing America faction by faction, pitting us one against another, demanding special ("equal") consideration, demanding new government under Communist pretenses:
jessemckay 4 months ago
that authority must be ceded, laws must be written, commissioners must be hired, prosecutors must file, judges must sit and juries must hear... because the common man is too foolish, too prejudiced, too bigoted, too illiterate, too biased by religion, to be trusted in his dealings with his neighbor, that they be fair enough. Oh, and certainly such a man, without sufficient training, without coercion of law, should not be allowed as employer, or landlord, or teacher, or as any authority.
jessemckay 4 months ago
Our Constitution was written on a single page, with seven fairly brief Articles, and has been expanded by twenty-seven fairly brief Amendments. Although it does not pause to identify or respect the Creator, all fifty of the state Constitutions do.
Our opponents who demand respect for that which is wicked... seem willing to ride the train of secular government they believe is enshrined in the federal constitution as far as it will take them, and then derail that train when it suits them.
jessemckay 4 months ago
They have demanded... and this Obama, this worst of all Presidents, has apparently aceded to this request, that the federal government will not enforce all its own given laws. The 111th Congress, acting in darkness, in a lame-duck Congress, has led with tail lights instead of headlights, and has acted to dismantle the Don't-Ask-Don't-Tell compromise from Hell, and has somehow (?) sided with Hell.
All gay rights actions have already come back to haunt us, and this is only the beginning.
jessemckay 4 months ago
It is of course very strange to see in print (even considering the source) a protest of laws condemning crimes against nature, condemning those laws as crimes against humanity. How can human rights protect unnatural acts?
Communism begins with the notion that the government cannot trust the people, and the freedom that we all enjoy as Americans must be rooted in the notion that the people cannot trust the government.
jessemckay 4 months ago
Yeah he would.. because Jesus was prolly a little homo too.
Alexander the Great was gay. .. hell lots of leaders were.
Sicj 1 year ago
hey you dumb bitch, the bible specifically speaks against homosexuallity. so Jesus would definetly NOT be a supporter. now does that mean he would be a hateful fearmonger? no, but he would most definetly not support.
kamakazishark 1 year ago
@kamakazishark WOW!!! I love when xtians use violence or foul language to either make/argue a point......Furthers my case for of which group of people are further evolved. Group A who worship/speak of invisible things i.e. god, jesus, heaven/hell, souls etc. Group B who speak of furthering Humanity through equality and compassion. Hmmmm
brianh406 1 year ago
@brianh406 1st of all asshole when Jesus was around people werent really speaking engish so the only thing that makes foul language foul is the opinions of stupid fucks like you. second of all you dont know shit about me or what i believe by some comments on youtube. and i find it funny that you would replace Christ with the letter x just to piss people off. i wonder who or what would make you do that, hmmm... and 3rd you talk about equality and compassion yet you attack religious beliefs. weak.
kamakazishark 1 year ago
@kamakazishark god bless your Ignorant heart....LMFAO!!! Seriously jebus doesn't mind you calling people assholes? Pretty sure I was taught different at the catholic school I grew up in....Do you really think your jebus wants you calling his creation(me) a "stupid fuck"? So does it piss you off when people abbreviate christmas with X-mas? Radical American Taliban, This is what you are. Silly girl!
brianh406 1 year ago
@brianh406 im sure Jesus does not approve of me calling you an asshole, but he knows you are one just like everyone else.catholic school huh? well i wouldnt exactly call catholics christians, but at least i know why you feel like you do now. most people are traumatized after being molested so i forgive you.but i would suggest you change your style.athieism is just a glamorous way the devil made for you to deny GOD. the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesnt exist
kamakazishark 1 year ago
@kamakazishark I was molested? Ok :-/
"athieism is just a glamorous way the devil made for you to deny GOD. the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesnt exist"
---Are you talking about god or the devil? Because you know as well as I they are both equally illusive and equally visible.......
brianh406 1 year ago
@kamakazishark you're a moron. btw do you know where that quote comes from? look it up ;)
catholics are the most christian religion, they stick to the bible more than any other sect.
you are wrong and an idiot.
may the spaghetti monster have mercy on u ;)
Menla1 1 year ago
@Menla1 1st of all you are the moron. the catholic religion was created by the declining roman empire as a way to stay in power when the empire was falling. 2nd of all christians dont dress up in gold robes and call each other holy father. you dont know jack shit about what you are talking about and you call people idiots. but when you and child molesting nazi leaders of the catholic church are burning in hell it is you who will be begging for mercy.
kamakazishark 1 year ago
@kamakazishark you dont know anything about christian history do you? st. peter was the first "pope" it is a tradition that is in the bible. thats not how catholicism started at all, catholicism is the original religion of christendom. then the schism occured which was over where the pope should reside. they stick closest to the biblical commandments. i still think all christianity is bullshit but at least know ur facts.
Menla1 1 year ago
@Menla1 also if the nazi leader you are reffering to is benedict you know EVERYONE his age at that time wouldve had to join hitler youth right?
he was too young to actually be a nazi you are aware of this?
i hate the guy but for real reasons, you are just a beligerent moron.
Menla1 1 year ago
@Menla1 he is a nazi and the entire catholic church is full of evil people who annoint themselves as holy father and pray through their supposed saints. who they actually pray to is none other than fallen angels. the catholic church has manipulated history books and locked real doctorine inside the walls of the vatican. no christian prays to anyone outside of the holy trinity. bi am not going to call you names or attempt to talk sense into you. enjoy your future.
kamakazishark 1 year ago
@kamakazishark hahahaha. wow first of all "are non other than fallen angels" not is.
also no they havent? if they altered the history books would they not do so to paint themselves in better light?
there are protestant saints and orthodox saints too? look them up. you are an idiot. you dont even know anything about your own religion. you believe in a fantasy and dont even understand the fantasy. thats just sad.
Menla1 1 year ago
@brianh406
Equality is not a suicide compact. Equality is not a license for extreme behavior. Equality does not impose upon the just the standards and morals of the unjust. A free society is not by definition prohibited from moral codes and statutes.
"Invisible things," like oxygen, radiation, radio and TV signals, satellite transmissions, electricity, X-rays, wireless internet and viruses govern an awful lot of your daily life in the modern world.
jessemckay 4 months ago
"Compassion" does not mean and never meant that the murderer/rapist is left free to act again. Compassion does not imply society's approval or tolerance of profoundly abnormal behavior.
For two centuries, immigrants knew that moving to America meant embracing our culture and our language. Now, Mexicans slip the border and do everything they can to stay Mexican. Is it compassionate to help them? To feed them in the desert? To make sure that their children hear only Spanish in our schools?
jessemckay 4 months ago
No, clearly it is not compassionate to aid a person who is breaking the law. It is not compassionate to make wrongdoing palatable or safer. It is not compassionate to raise a child in an English-speaking country and reject English in any way possible, thereby limiting him to the hottest and sweatiest of menial jobs.
Compassion, tolerance, and love of one's fellow man are Biblical ideals. Subjugation, slavery, and execution of non-believers are not our ideals and are wrong for Muslims, too.
jessemckay 4 months ago
@jessemckay
"Invisible things," like oxygen, radiation, radio and TV signals, satellite transmissions, electricity, X-rays, wireless internet and viruses govern an awful lot of your daily life in the modern world.
You ever heard of a microscope?
Hey smart guy radio/tv signals, satellites, x-rays, wireless internet, etc ARE all radio waves(radiation).....GOOD GOD and no they are not invisible, lol ...... radiation detectors......-Science, look into it.
brianh406 4 months ago
@brianh406
in-vis-i-ble, n., unable to be seen; adj., not visible to the eye.
Although devices exist which allow people to know about all of the items on the list I presented, none of them can be seen with the unaided eye, and as such, all of them are invisible.
It's called a dictionary, folks. Have a read.
jessemckay 4 months ago
@jessemckay Are you saying jebus can be seen through a microscope?
Are you saying there is a jebus detector....BEEP......BEEP.....BEEP....BEEP...BEEP..BEEP BEEPBEEP.-dumb
brianh406 4 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Jesus did not exist.
Listendudeok 1 year ago
The bible which pretty much is believed by little over 2 billion people or followers is a word of God CAN NOT be more specific when it comes to gays.
Jesus is NOT about "LOVE", HE demands "... Put to DEATH" if a man is to lie with another man which is a SIN. It can't be more specific. God is not love my dear otherwise HE wouldn't have allowed 400,000 people to die in Haiti earthquakes and let 30,000 starving children die every year!!
And I hope you were a VIRGIN before your wedding night!
Nostalgicvideos 1 year ago
Comment removed
brianh406 1 year ago
brianh406 1 year ago
brianh406 1 year ago
Comment removed
brianh406 1 year ago
Comment removed
brianh406 1 year ago
@brianh406
I don't think you read my comment correctly. I am an Atheist and an open minded person who cares about all types of people. It's the religion that makes us people to hate one another...
Nostalgicvideos 1 year ago
@Nosvids You're a bit on the OFF side of things. I am a Christians & Jesus does not condone what you say. Jesus is not only about Love, but he IS love! And he abolished the old covenant so we are no longer under the old covenant. The new covenant is that the laws are written on your hearts.If you're guilty of one sin then your guilty of them all; and if you're guilty of them all then you're guilty of being a homo too. But it does say that the sexually immoral with not inherit the kingdom of God
tygew 1 year ago
@rhinestonenana I guess you don't know the apostrophe's word.
trancewe 1 year ago
@trancewe
I just telling the truth. Thanks for the opportunity to repeat it!!!!!
rhinestonenana 1 year ago
@truvelocity You "looked into" whether or not "Jesus was a real person... " ? What did you do, google it? I'm not religious at all, but the "historical record" is quite clear that Jesus was a man who lived and who people followed as a prophet. God may not exist but Jesus of Nazareth most certainly did.
trancewe 1 year ago
@trancewe There's no historical record outside of bible stories during Pontius Pilots rule of any known Jesus that was executed nor buried on any record at the time of his so called life and so called death. The Romans are innocent.
truvelocity 1 year ago
@PoofyBurrito It's not separation OF church and state. It's separation of the church FROM the state. Consider why the rue Christians left Europe in the first place, they were escaping organized religion.
tygew 1 year ago
The bible is a mixed bag and everything hinges on the reader's interpretation (ie. his/her own personal biases). On the one hand, Jesus clearly condones following Old Testament law, which forbids homosexuality. On the other hand, he does hint that we've outgrown them and, of course, Jesus never uttters a single word either for or against homosexuality. I think Jesus had other things to worry about than what people do with their penises and vaginas. Paul is the only NT writer to condemn it.
dookdawg214 1 year ago
I'll put it to you like this, we got 2 years left before all hell breaks loose here on earth. So why would you want to chance burning in hell for all eternity? a dick in the booty can't be worth missing out on golden streets
MadeYouMad67 1 year ago
@MadeYouMad67 I'm a Christian. There are no golden streets because there is no literal New Jerusalem. The NJ is us Christians. And not only will man still be here in 4 years, but we will be here in a million years! There is no "end times' in the bible. The rapture is a myth concocted from scriptures that speak of death "the unknown hour". But you're right the sinner will not inherit the kingdom of God, unless he repents from sin and lives for God.
tygew 1 year ago
what she is saying is BLASPHEMY, Jesus is Holy, completely HOLY and He utterly CONDEMNS homosexual depravity, in fact He rained fire out of Heaven on Sodom and Gommorah for this debauchery.
jetlag700 1 year ago
Jesus is God (the unseen omnipresent Holy Spirit) in the flesh. God/Jesus said that no sexually immoral person will inherit the kingdom of God. So NO Jesus would NEVER in any way whatsoever support two perverts living together in sin.
Life and sex are gifts from God. Our children are our gifts back to God. God loves people and he wants many many more of them. Why would God support two perverts living together in sin? He wouldn't. They are a disgrace to life & they offer nothing back to life.
tygew 1 year ago
@tygew
God bless you for standing for purity and righteousness, read my comment just above yours.
jetlag700 1 year ago
@tygew Thanks for proving why your bronze age absurdity is what it is..
You deserve the Hell of your own beliefs.
MyITRcom 1 year ago
@MyITRcom You don't know me, yet you hate me and judged me to hell....
tygew 1 year ago
@PoofyBurrito
...as deals with homosexuality. Marriage is supposed to be a holy union (which means "set apart", and purified), where it's ultimate phsyical expression, sex, is saved only for that union--for mutual pleasure between a husband and a wife, as well as for creating new life, ie. children. I hope that helps clarify things a bit. I appreciate you asking about this. Thanks.
Grambo4 1 year ago
@PoofyBurrito
well, I focused on homosexuality because that was the topic of this video to which I am responding....that seemed pretty logical and straightforward to me.
As regards what foods are clean or unclean to eat, the Christian response is that Jesus Christ has made all foods clean (Mark 7:19), and so God's people are no longer obliged to make a special point of refraining from pork or shelfish. As for being a virgin until wedded, that falls under the same category of "moral law"...
Grambo4 1 year ago
your argument is hat 'Jesus is all about love, therefore he must condone same sex marriages because they are bout love'. Could you simplify these matters anymore?!
First of all, I would urge you to read the New Testament, included in which are 4 different accounts about the life of Jesus. It is true, Jesus is about love: loving God; loving your neighbour; loving your enemy. Two things: loving God means honouring Him and keeping His commands--throughout the Bible, God condemns homosexuality....
Grambo4 1 year ago 2
....and gives people the appropriate model for marriage: one man, and one woman, to the exclusion of all others, for the purposes of pleasure and procreation, just as it was ordained by God in the beginning of the world. Second thing: just because Jesus is all about loving people, doesn't mean he automatically approves of and condones all actions just because people love the action. People love all sorts of sin, and that doesn't make the sin right. Loving people doesn't mean condoning their sin.
Grambo4 1 year ago 2
WOW yet another delusional Nelkinism but, this time Stacey the Airhead has become an official spokesperson for Jesus Christ-AMAZING! Hey bimbo-NEWSFLASH, Jesus/God loves the sinner & hates the sin. And(PC be damned) Homosexuality 2 many religions,not just Christianity, IS A SIN & AN AFFRONT 2 GOD.Or do you think(well we know you don't) God destroyed Sodom(thus the word Sodomy)& Gomorrah just for shits & grins? If God wanted Homosexual "marriages" why not just make Adam & Steve or Eve & Ellen?
FrankenFraud 1 year ago
first things first..Love isnt based on attraction okay. Whether your gay or straight, love doesnt start with attraction...Jesus wasnt a supporter of love cuz he was love himself..cant love on ur own atheist or not cuz its put in us from birth.Being born gay is a result from sin jacking everything up just like people born with defect,ocdc,etc..God actually say homosexuality is a sin..Jesus hates the sin not the person...Jesus even spoke how hes against homosexuality.
ButterlySmuckers 1 year ago
I'm sorry bt thell me just one think, did you evere look in to the Bible, just one's ? If not i can halp you find the place where God tell you everything about this... short and clear.
KankuPitbull 1 year ago
You must be referring to a Jesus who is a mexican guy that lives in your neighborhood. You are certainly not referring to Jesus Christ of the Bible who is big on love and tough on sin.
31stmp 1 year ago
I'll catch you dudes and ladies later - me and the wife are off to see The Black Crowes.
BrannonMcConkey 1 year ago
is this a joke the bible clearly states stone the faggots to death.
abz3751678 1 year ago