The Death Of Socrates (part 1)

[Creamefreche]

Democracy is a TV show.

[MrTerryKay]

I would have used the subliminal imagery of the feet of those surrounding Socrates step in unison whilst Socrates steps to his own timing. Nice job though.

[GALICARO]

333

[jacksawild]

All Socrates really did was ask questions which made people realise how misguided their opinions were. Sometimes when opinions and beliefs are dearly held is it hard to admit their fallacious nature, even when it is your own reason which reveals it to be so. This was Socrates' genius, he could lead people to reason their own way out of their own beliefs. His folly was doing it publicly to men of reputation and power. Things haven't changed at all.

[XXGDUBSXX]

Socrates is my philospher king.

[CosmosLoyal]

Surely the critcism should be of representative democracy, which is a sham, rather than direct and pure democracy.

[goodguy2949]

didnt realize hemlock grows everywhere

[tooshortboi1]

469 BC399 BC

[tooshortboi1]

500bc

[brutus17761776]

its good!

[kingtophe009]

socrates could have fled from athens, but he was a true man of the state. he accepted a painful and excruciating death and even had his friends march him about the room so the people would see that he supported his polis' decisions good or bad. He was a victim of people who needed someone to blame even though he had never done wrong to the state. A true believer in democracy and order.

[dannyabboud2]

not a true believer of democracy.

of order, yes.

but not democracy.

[SkunkyDeluxe]

@dannyabboud2 Yes pretty much so, he believed that one should not follow the voice of the majority, but the voice of the expert.

[SkunkyDeluxe]

@dannyabboud2 Yes pretty much so, he believed that one should not follow the voice of the majority, but the voice of the expert.

[hbknutjack]

@kingtophe009 hate to burst your little socratic wisdom bubble there but socrates hated democracy and often spoke out against it.

[generaldeejee]

Socrates didn't deserve to die. He did nothing wrong, he only made people think about the knowledge they think they have

[redtortoise76]

Very well made, 5 stars

[whitelotusfilm]

Plato had doubts about democracy, which he probably inherited from Socrates. I can see why today in the problems of today's world.

there is no power to the people, only power to some people.

[Roelandvinken]

freedom is a road seldom travelled by the multitude

[DarrylCross]

Contrary to popular belief, democracy does not equal freedom. Nor is it inherently just. The one thing that makes democracy work is a purely psychological trait, where when people feel they're part of the decision - then it will be harder to fight that decision. It's merely a means to placate the masses. 'You voted for me, so my decisions are our decisions.'

True freedom can never come soley from the means their leader used to gain power.

[whitelotusfilm]

Right on. If only everyone woke up and realized this the world would be a better place.

[slovakmath]

@whitelotusfilm indeed...democracy has brought about some of the most insane regimes this world has ever seen. the Bolshevik revolution was a democratic movement (in the sense that the majority of the population supported it)...Nazism was certainly democratic (in every sense), they were all elected by popular vote...the founding fathers of the USA (especially Jefferson) were all aware of this danger and they despised democracy, they rather supported the idea of creating a Republic...

[dejkola]

@DarrylCross yeah because democracy become after some time tyranny of smaller groups with in it.

[vancor2000]

@DarrylCross In the long run, democracy does not work. The ordinary man is not fit for governance. The masses will vote themselves benefits that they haven't earned and for which the government cannot pay without creating basically worthless paper money, ultimately leading to its own demise. Plato's ordering of governmental forms as to their fitness seems to me right on (aristocracy, timocracy, oligarchy, democracy, tyranny. The average man should not have power in determining government.

[GueorguiJoukov]

@DarrylCross

A State is good and powerful so far that its rulers are good and just. I have not came to know many men of sens in this world, how could we expect to even see half of those people to be truly good?

The people see freedom in subjectivity, having the utmost arrogance to make the world relative to their person. But in illusions and non sequitur, you can only find slavery. Slaves of the public opinions, slaves of their reactions, they hail their chains as if they were crowns.

[ApexBozo]

@DarrylCross Very, very true. The business of democracy is enfranchising the masses with the perogative to choose how they wish to be subordinated to their rulers, granting individuals the right to pursue their own interests but at the same time stipulating exactly what form those interests should take in order to preserve the exclusivity of power and authority; the authority of those who believe they know best and yet bestow "freedom" upon the masses while having no idea what it actually means.

[64Albere]

@DarrylCross Deep thought and much cause for thinking... so " What is true freedom ? Thanks for answering !!.. just a fellow traveler on a journey of seeking truth.

[blacbraun]

Democracy is overrated. Some people's opinion's are not thought out and thus do not count as much as those that are thought out.

[GueorguiJoukov]

Wasn't this rather in 399bc?

[jolsteiner]

@whitelotusfilm There is no power to the people only power to the rich people. All democracies are ruled by their wealthy citizens. In a democracy, the poor citizens are totally meningless. Demcracy and capitalism are just about the same thing.

[jolsteiner]

@whitelotusfilm There is no power to the people only power to the rich people. All democracies are ruled by their wealthy citizens. In a democracy, the poor citizens are totally meningless. Demcracy and capitalism are just about the same thing. And yes, indeed, democracy does not equal equal freedom. A poor citizen has no use for freedom.

[Trucifer]

@whitelotusfilm Democracy is a cruel joke that gives the aristocrats the revolution-proof throne they have sought forever.

[Crisalsera]

@Trucifer I totally agree with you. But how can we form a fair society for everyone? I mean even by using a socialist system,if people are corrupted there will always be peope that cheat and manage to be richer than others,the same way it happened at the Sovietic Union and Cuba. It is probably in the human;s nature to be like that and seek money and power,and maybe a better education from an early age could help,but can people's nature change?

[TJMonster51]

@Crisalsera

remove money all together.

[Crisalsera]

@TJMonster51 I have thought about that. I think there is enough food and product ability for everyone in the planet and I cant see the point of money anyway. I agree with you.

[knux023]

Why must ignorant pigs continue constricting growth of the mind?

[SaintDufus]

Socrates' association with Alcibiades, Charmides, and Critias took place many years before those men turned to "wickedness," and Socrates had long ceased associating with them by then. He defied the Thirty Tyrants at the risk of his own life. It is not correct to say he was pro-oligarchy. Socrates was one of the few really honest men in history; he was a beacon of integrity in a society darkened by lies and corruption.

[relaxpeace]

Corrupter Socrates, deserter Thucydides and hater Aristophanes, together with helot-killing ephors and middle-east tyrrants destroyed the Golden Century's most courageous democrats ever, to stop them spreading collective decisions around the world.

Which priesthood prefers truth from its collapse?

[ultimatespider17]

socrates was executed why ????

[Stevehtegreatgr]

Because he was -in fact- too virtuous. Don't you know all the virtuous men (or women) in this world are being murdered for such unenlightened petty animals we are. If only was Socrates was the only....

[Gkvicro]

He disliked democracy and even favoured the spartan's oligarchy, even in Peloponnesian war. Socrates was associated with, and possible influenced men the Democrats hated, like Critias and Charmides, who were apart of the ruling oligarchy; 30 tyrants. He also apparently influenced an Athenian traitor, Alcibiades. Overall, the political system in which he was executed in was Extremely democratic and his association with oligarchies automatically caused prejudices against him

[Nonamearisto]

Not really true; Socrates disobeyed the Thirty Tyrants, and was later killed for "corrupting the youth." The men who chose to kill Socrates were later compared to a jury of children, and were probably rich, and yet uneducated sons of oligarchs themselves.

[Elisha2Kings]

if he hated democracy, why did he die rather than defying it by disobeying its laws? he didn't agree with the 30 tyrants' rule because he refused to obey its orders.

[ThePianoMan80]

athens boasted over the fact that they had a "free speech", and socrates, in his persecution, proved that they in fact did not have a free speech. He could have easily been found innocent. Jurors were easily persuaded by a good closing speech, which he could have easily crafted, but he wanted to die a martyr for his belifs, that "the one who knows is the one who leads".

[Stevehtegreatgr]

@Gkvicro: No, in fact he had an almost religious adoration for the "Polis" (Athens) and/or what it meant. He was a veteran of the Athenian army and would regard himself as patriot. Plato quotes him saying that if he had chosen sides during the Peloponnesian war he would already be dead which leads us to think that most probably he was anti-Spartan. He defied the 30 tyrants more than once and he was very critical of the leaders of all walks.

[Nikechagias]

He Disliked Οχλοκρατία(ochlocratia-democra­cy of the mob).

[illumivrasta]

he knew too much

[cpyun]

The official charge was corrupting the mind of youth and challenging the state

[Socrates287]

Socrates was excecuted because he was 'poisoning the minds of the youth in Athens'. 4/5 video.

To Socratism!

[bluenote1]

Small detail -- Socrates was executed in 399BC, not 300BC as you suggest in your synopsis. Other than that, I like your production values in your short film.

[whitelotusfilm]

Thank you

Im a filmmaker not a historian

[slovakmath]

@bluenote1 1) dates and time are totally arbitrary and trivial. You should realize a single man, in a large 9th Century cult decided to create a dating system that started at certain events based on supposed events of a cult leaders own life cycle, giving the west our Gregorian Calender. But 300BC is just a word, means nothing unless you accept the Catholic dating system. Not everyone on Earth does. Why do you assume the creator of this video accepts the Catholic system,

[slovakmath]

@bluenote1 2) maybe he made up his/her own dating system. If I wanted to, instead of recognizing the cult leader, Jesus, as the beginning of my calender, I could give relevance to the magnitude of time required for a photon to travel 80 parsecs, calling that unit of time a day. I could then give significance to the time neccisary for half a given amount of Polonium-214 to decay to Lead-210...calling that unit of time a year.

[slovakmath]

@bluenote1 3) With that I would be absolutely correct to say it will have taken you many years to simply read this very sentence, and Socrates would have died yesterday. Understand now why dates are arbitrary and trivial, totally made up, depending on arbitrary events such as the time required for Earth to rotate (day) and revolve (year), and when Jesus (the Jim Jones of the Bronze Age) was supposed to have been born?