this "idiot" spent hundreds of hours in the oxford library in England up until he died. Glenn Beck spends hundreds of hours worshiping a sky-daddy in a religion that won't even approve of us carbon-dating its "ancient" golden plates.
@tonyblackops you don't know what liberal means it appears, you do know that america isn't the only country in the world right and that liberal has different meanings in different countries, you also have clearly never heard of classic liberal neither.
What many fail to understand is that in Marx's system, when something is controlled by the government, it is controlled by the people (yes, we forget that democracy is a government of the people!). Now when a small amount of people use the system to abuse the people into paying extremely high deductibles for insurance, things aren't always as pretty as Glenn Beck makes them. Now to say people buy iPods over insurance is ridiculous, you've got to be kidding. Beck doesn't get out much, does he?
@TheRationalist76 In Marx's system when something is controlled by the government it is controlled by the people??? Laugh, so in the world of Marx everything is backwards?? Black is white, good is evil?? This reminds me of one of those Yakov Smirnoff "In Soviet Russia" jokes.
@TheRationalist76 First of all, this country [U.S.] was not set up to be a "democracy" but a republic. A republic is when you have officials that are acting as REPRESENTATIVES of the people, democracy [meaning elections] is merely the way in which we determine who represents us, hence "representative democracy". The problem is that the officials we elect to represent us are not representing us at all. In marxist system all "representatives" are taken from communist party.
@WorshipInTruth When did i mention the US government? I mentioned democratic Marxism, but not the US government. Nonetheless, a Republic is a form of Democracy because the people still control the government. I agree with you that our choice of representation really sucks at that it is mainly manipulation that allows dirt-bag politicians into office. I was actually more so saying that when the Proletariat (everyone should be working..) owns the means of production, the people do.
@TheRationalist76 WRONG! A republic is not necessarily a "form of democracy", but some republics do utilize democracy (popular elections). When you are talking about democracy AS A FORM OF GOVERNMENT you are talking about a "direct democracy" aka a popular democracy which IS a marxist democracy and was spoken against by ALL of the founding Fathers who set up the American form of government as a REPUBLIC, not a direct-popular "democracy".
@TheRationalist76 Oh please do, I would be extremely pleased to see you properly refer to this nation as a "Constitutional Republic" instead of erroneously calling it a "democracy".
@WorshipInTruth Although i was never speaking of the US government as a democracy, i was merely speaking of a democracy in general...although you don't want to accept that i'm not speaking of the US..
@WorshipInTruth I'd also like to add that fundamental Marxism and Communism are a bit different. Communism is really supposed to be the final stage of the fall of Capitalism, not a forced government, nor the bureaucratic systems held by most Communist nations in history. I'm not saying Marx's system would necessarily work (greed tends to destroy it actually), but it is not "evil" or stupid in any way
@TheRationalist76 In marxist theory the communist large government state does come after the "fall of capitalism [i.e fall of ownership]" but is not itself the last stage, marxist theory implies that after communism will come a natural almost anarchist state in which there will be no authority and that is exactly where marxism shows its insanity. How does it expect statelessness to come out of collective centralization?? Yes Marx was an evil man and his theory is purposefully deceptive.
@WorshipInTruth In what regard is his ideas evil?? If anything, it is Capitalism that is morally wrong! The anarchist state was a classless society where there was no private ownership, much different. A bit utopian at a mass level, but on a more miniature scale it works
@TheRationalist76 The ownership of property or the open buying and selling of goods is morally wrong?? Under what moral system? Now I know you are nuts. Utopian thinkers and idealists like yourself are responsible for the worlds political problems, when will you realize this and let man be??
@WorshipInTruth I did not say ownership of property is morally wrong. Capitalism is not that. Capitalism is a system where one side abuses the other for personal gain and where greed dominates. I believe Capitalism is a great system of regulated and treated properly. Allow the phrase "hard work gets you somewhere" to actually mean something and where abuse of others is not so wide-spread
"They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa and Latin America"
@TheRationalist76 Listen, just as you marxists will say "but but there are different TYPES of communism" I will also note that there are different types of "Capitalism". Capitalism by its purest defintion refers simply to the owning of CAPITAL, this only becomes a problem when we have MONOPOLY Capitalism (aka corporatism).What I am advocating is true FREE MARKET capitalism as practiced in America before the rise of the robber barons who developed their monopolies via WORKING WITH THE GOVERNMENT.
@WorshipInTruth i'm hardly a marxist, i only defend it when those who don't understand its concepts criticize it. Free Marker Capitalism is the worst capitalism because it allows anyone to do anything to gain Capital, which especially causes mass suffering. The Industrial Age contained Free Market Capitalism and 95% of the population in Britain was dirt poor. Monopoly Capitalism is just as bad because it prevents regulation
@TheRationalist76 MANY MANY writings, I wont even mention Adam Smith, Any Rand etc. (because I don't particularly think they are "moral") go to show how allowing people the liberty to freely pursue capital actually produces prosperity for the greatest number of people. Far from causes "mass suffering" it actually does the opposite and this liberty to pursue capital freely is actually one of the reasons America flourished above the rest of the world in such a short period of time.
@WorshipInTruth I have read many of Adam Smith's writings. Yet he even states that going on the assumption that people will regulate themselves, and that is what will allow the system to work. If you would like, i could search for the specific passage in Wealth of Nations, yet it may take some time
@TheRationalist76 Self regulation is ALWAYS important in ANY society. That is why I argue that if we want to fix the current state of the government we must first be a regenerated and moral people. The founders knew that without a high standard of public morality this Constitutionally limited Republic would fall and be replaced by a limitless dictatorship of some sorts. This is the part where I bring up Christianity (or at least Christian values) as being key and vital to the health of a nation.
@WorshipInTruth Your boy Benjamin Franklin wouldn't appreciate your idea of sponsering a Christian Institution to create those morals. Nonetheless, i don't believe that it would help. Filling the heads of the populous with fairy tales in order to have them regulate themselves is insanity. You don't need religion to create a self-regulating individual. Either way, the majority of those who are abusing humans overseas call themselves Christians. This is a secular nation, the state cannot support i
@TheRationalist76 Sponsoring a Christian institution to create morals? What are you talking about?? All I suggested was that the people need to be steeped in Christian morality. Ben Franklin is certainly one of the my least favorites of the founding fathers, he said some good things but in the end I would say that Franklin was a wicked man.
@TheRationalist76 Many other founders, by the way, were devout Christians and ALL of the founders (including the diests Franklin and Jefferson) spoke of the importance of the Christian religion for the preservation of the nation. One of the primary reasons for the seperation of Church and state was to protect the Churches from state influence, not the other way around. The Founders knew that both Church and State were important to the health of a society but they were to be compartmentalized.
@TheRationalist76 "Either way, the majority of those who are abusing humans overseas call themselves Christians"?? That is just plain bullshit, where did you come up with that nonsense?? That statement just shows how far you are indoctrinated as to where the "Christian" is the eternal bad guy. If you knew what was going on in the world you would know that it is people who identify as muslims, jews or radical athiestical communists who are responsible for most the terrors in foreign lands.
@TheRationalist76 If you do not believe me I could show you many quotes where the founders mention the extreme importance of Christianity in creating a good and moral nations. The founders (even the diests like Franklin and Jefferson) would have been horrified over the mass athiesm and indifference to religious things which has swept this land in the last 60 years. The state (while being unable to favor any particular religious institution) CAN certainly support and reflect Christian values.
@TheRationalist76 It is sad that your whole conception of the Bible and of God is that it is just a "fairy tale". It goes to show the depths of your ignorance.
@WorshipInTruth May i ask the difference? Both are made up stories meant to teach a moral or ethical value (or collection of). The difference is the Bible is a bit more violent and causes much more prejudices. Now i can tell you there is not much ignorance in my relationship with religion, quite the opposite actually. I've studied it for many years and i have come to the conclusion that there is most likely no man in the sky determining whether or not you live in clouds or burn for eternity
@TheRationalist76 You obviously know nothing of the Christian faith or the Bible. This is evident by your statement that "both are meant to teach a moral or ethical value" ummm, not its not, that is not what it is "meant" for. You also said "there is most likely no man in the sky determining whether or not you live in clouds or burn for eternity" which concept is also found nowhere in the Bible, if you are going to argue against my position I suggest you at least learn what that position is.
@WorshipInTruth You want to know about the Christian Faith? How about you look up things such as the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, etc. Christianity has been the cause of too many deaths in history it is unbelievable. And why? Because your great book allows it. Your God doesn't make a great example when he allows the massacring of Canaanite villages as a result of his saying it is the Israelites' land. Your God is no God of peace, he is a jealous monster who kills those opposing of him
@TheRationalist76 The crusades and the spanish inquisition were both carried out by the catholic church, you apparently need to learn the difference between true Bible based Christianity and papal catholicism, according to the catholic church I am an "obstinate heretic" and I assure you that I am a bigger enemy of that system then yourself as the papists murdered true Christians for 600 years. Funny that you stick up for marxism even though it is responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths.
@TheRationalist76 My God is a God of wrath and yes he is jealous when people worship the creation instead of the Creator, he is in the right for being angered over this. Before Jesus Christ, the goyim (non-jewish) nations were the enemy of God and the canaanites were wicked pagan heathens who would sacrifice their children to the flames, God needed them cleansed from the land which he promised to the descendents of Abraham in order that he could ultimately bring salvation to the world.
@WorshipInTruth "And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:" -Deuteronomy 20:13
"And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed" -Exodus 12:29
@TheRationalist76 I already explained that before Christ God was no friend to the heathen pagan peoples, he was their enemy and what he did was to the benefit of his Hebrew people. The land of canaan needed to be cleansed of the wicked heathens if the Christ was ever to be born unto the world in order to save the world (jew and gentile alike).
@WorshipInTruth It cleaned nothing. The Jews were angry because they believed their God was jealous that a different culture was worshipping a different God. Now God doesn't appear any less wicked. God kills women and children, orders the slaughtering of many and is just a plain out ass. I do not understand how so many fools continue to worship such a thing in the 21st century. With the amount of information we have we should realize that Christianity has no more validity than any pagan religion
@TheRationalist76 For you to compare the beauty of the Christian faith to paganism is also absurd and hateful. The pagans had no morality as we know it today, it was nothing for them to murder or sacrifice their children to the flames, the Judeo-Christian faith gave us the ten commandments and the high morality of Christ Jesus.
@WorshipInTruth Oh please, you believe that people were killing each other left and right before the ten commandments? The same laws were applied in Egypt long before the ten commandments
@TheRationalist76 "The same laws were applied in Egypt long before the ten commandments". No they weren't and you have no proof of that. I am sure Egypt had laws against murder, but they understood nothing about giving homage to the Creator instead of practicing idolatry, they understood nothing about honoring their parents or not coveting their neighbors property, they were your typical wealth and money worshippers, they worshipped men (the pharaohs) as if they were gods.
@TheRationalist7 True moral capitalism is ultimately the practicing of "economy" free from government regulation, it is not in itself a philosophy of morality. Communism crosses this bridge which it advocates the open theft and appropriation of the property of landowners. Whether or not you realize it, much of this "anti-capitalist" senitment actually comes from heretical "christian" sects who do not understand that coercion is an ungodly way to acheive a living regardless of the ideology.
@TheRationalist76 Sure it was, my native state of Pennsylvania was rightfully purchased from the Indians by the Quakers who were known for their honest dealings with the natives.
@TheRationalist76 The whole relationship between the natives and the settlers is much more complicated than you would think. Remember there were different indian tribes who all took different positions regarding the white settlers, oftentimes the whites would rightfully purchase land or aid from the natives but then the Indians would later decide that they want it back, hence the term "indian giver".
@TheRationalist76 It is God who gave them life to begin with so he is more than in the right to take it away as he desires, who are you to question his motives and intentions?? The very fact that you are alive goes to show his great mercy, the only thing keeping us from being swallowed up by hell at any moment is the grace and mercy of the Lord. He could destroy us as easily as we squash an insect.
@WorshipInTruth That is a flat out lie and you know it. There is no God, and if there was, then i recommend he show himself to everybody for he appears a coward. "God" is an excuse for people to do what they want and justify it. "God" is a creation of the mind and is a way for people to justify any action because they can claim it was "God's will" because they believe he spoke to them. It really scares me when people claim that God spoke to them, because it really shows the insanity of religion
@TheRationalist76 "There is no God, and if there was, then I recommend he show himself to everybody for he appears a coward"?? He did show himself, then he was crucified by you and for you. People will always find a reason to do or justify evil, even without religion, do you realize how many terrorists went out and murdered for the furtherment of "the communist revolution"??? For you to throw all the faults of man on faith in God is not just absurd, it is hateful.
@TheRationalist76 First of all, London's "Industrial Age" is one of the primary reasons for the modern era and our technological advancement, no doubt you would not even be typing on your computer as you are without this great leap in industrial capability and growth. Secondly, far from displaying the free-market capitalism which I speak of, 18th-19th century Britain displays MONOPOLY capitalism to the greatest extent.
You could of course argue that free market capitalism eventually develops into monopoly capitalism but I would counter by arguing that this only happens when the government begins to show preferential treatment and benefits to certain businesses or economic sectors. So we see that the problem once again goes back to government and the size and scope of its authority and that is the real issue, individualism vs collectivism, compartmentalization vs centralization etc.
@WorshipInTruth This is true to an extent. Although monopolies still are very easily formed under free market, government sponsorship accelerates and helps the creation of monopolies heavily.
@TheRationalist76 See that is where I disagree, I do not believe that monopolies form very easily under a free market system where there is TRUE COMPETITION, it is when governments (either domestic or foreign) begin to either favor particular companies or limit the ability of business to properly compete that we have the development of monopolies and huge mega-corporations. Many such as yourself seem to view government regulation as the solution without noting that is what created the problem.
Why did they put Benjamin Franklin in an Economic video? Benjamin Franklin was a man who put his energy into things such as discussing liberty and political freedom, not Economics. Capitalism wasn't even dynamic until the Industrial Age in America, long after BF's death. Last, you shed Marx into a very negative category. If it weren't for Marx, things such as Unions and worker's rights would be kept to a minimum. Marx believed Capitalism would fall on its own as a result of the lack of rights
@pantherfanatic7 That's over simplifying it, but overall there has been growing support among Americans for some form of universal health-care/public insurance. From 2003-2008 polling generally showed majority support. The healthcare debate has been tainted by Obamacare though, because it is a really bad plan, even though obamacare is just forced privatized medicine, getting the worst of free market with the worst of government intervention. no other country works like that.
To give full control to company would be the worse of two evils. Let's say hypothetically we adopt laissez faire economics. That mean no government hand out which seems what Glenn Beck wants. The lower class will be un-insured because why would a company want to pay someone who couldn't pay back. It is natural for greed to corrupt in Capitalist systems. Not to say totalitarianism is better but that's a different subject. I myself, on medicaid and my dental will be cut I wonder who's at fault.
@ravenheart93 It is natural for greed to corrupt in any system. Greed is checked by morals, competition, and government. Capitalism is still the undisputed champion of all systems until some genius creates something better. Until then give me John Locke, Adam Smith, and Milton Friedman any day of the week.
@Truthman23 Yes but take this from a psychoanalytical perspective. When a reward such as money is in play a person will ignore morality if it would serve in their benefit. We can't expect people to keep their morality in check wit competition in the wake because people will fight like hell to be on top. I was also speaking about laissez faire society so government has no say so in economics. Capitalism is no champion a mixed economy would be more suitable but even that is at times to lax.
@ravenThe point is taken. But in ANY system people try to do something that benefits themselves.That's the point of these philosophers. The morality part cannot be forced by government. That is where we part ways.Capitalism is pure economics. The fight to keep Faith(Morality) as an influence in Capitalism and my Republic is ongoing. A mixed economy leads to stagnation and eventual decline.Capitalism is the champion, and the countries and city-states that have embraced it reap the rewards.
Hey, I checked some facts on the net, and discovered that most health insurance for Wal-mart employees are not from Wal-mart. Almost, anyway, about 50%.
I am a Canadian, but I grew up in America. When I was young (about 20 years ago) there was never ANY worry about healthcare in the states. We were a middle class family, living in a 3 bedroom house. My family owned a gift-shop selling knick-knacks.
The problem with the healthcare is the "HMO'S", insurance companies, big pharma, big business in general. But the solution IS NOT SOCIALIST medicine!!!!!!!!!!! The solution is to make the corporations obey the damn law, chop up the monopolies, etc.
@1776Matthew And as a Canadian, I can tell you that the healthcare system up here SUCKS. Patients are treated like cattle. There is absolutely no respect, no "human touch" to the system. You are treated like government property. Doctors can't be bothered to answer your questions, and they will often withhold information from you regarding YOUR OWN BODY. It is like pulling teeth to get a GP to refer you to a specialist, the atmosphere and cleanliness of most "walk-in" clinics is like a DMV.
@1776Matthew And despite the delusional beliefs of brainwashed socialist-dupe Canadians... IT ISN'T "FREE" HELTHCARE!!!! People CONSTANTLY have to be reminded that they are paying for it ALL YEAR LONG. (And likely overpaying dramatically.)
@NewtMcNED WRONG. It was not like this before the 1960's-1970's in America. Nobody worried about it. As I said, even into the early 90's my middle class family never worried about it. You didn't have to be rich to get healthcare. AM I LIVING IN FUCKING KOO-KOO LAND!?!?!?!? WHY CAN'T ANYONE REMEMBER WHAT LIFE WAS LIKE JUST A FEW SHORT DECADES AGO!?!?!?!?
It is the INSURANCE COMPANIES, HMO'S, BIG PHARMA, and BIOTECH companies that are the problem. Private healthcare, WITHOUT BIG BUSINESS RAPING.
No shit, son. I'm pretty sure everyone knows that. What they mean by 'free' healthcare is that, when you have an illness, you do not need to pay anything to treat that illness. The money is already there to help you. It's like American insurance, except that it doesn't cheat on you 90% of the time.
"And likely overpaying dramatically"
The next time you have a lifeordeath surgery, have fun 'overpaying dramatically' your health bill.
I am unsure where you are from, in Canada, but patients are never treated as cattle. If sitting down in a waiting room, and waiting for your number constitutes as being a cow, then everyone in the world is a cow.
"here is absolutely no respect, no "human touch" to the system"
What nonsense. How can there be no human touch when you are treated by qualified doctors? Perhaps this is an isolated case, but it is nonsense from where I come from.
@1776Matthew "Doctors can't be bothered to answer your questions"
Don't make stuff up. The doctors are PAID to answer your health questions. Just don't go and expect them to help you in school.
"and they will often withhold information from you regarding YOUR OWN BODY"
This gets more and more bullshittier the more I read your posts. Perhaps the only time a doctor will withhold information is when they feel it to be irrelevant. Or perhaps they are not too qualified. Extremely rare case.
@unifieddynasty You're completely talking shit. I am speaking from personal experience on all points here. Both from my own encounters with the Canadian system and its "qualified professionals", and from those of my girlfriend. Doctors here get annoyed that a mere mortal would even dare to open his mouth with an inquiry.
'"IT ISN'T "FREE" HELTHCARE!!!!' No shit, son."... "when you have an illness, you do not need to pay anything to treat that illness."
@1776Matthew "The problem with the healthcare is the "HMO'S", insurance companies, big pharma, big business in general"
Got that right.
"The solution is to make the corporations obey the damn law, chop up the monopolies, etc."
They are obeying the damn law. 100% obeying the damn law. The companies got big from the free market. Now they own the 'free' market. Good luck chopping them up without any socialist measures.
Hmmm...where is the "Glenn beck" character on this? Oh and even when it's universal healthcare (by the govt'), ppl (individuals) still have control over their health. And isn't it pretty strange when ppl say "I don't want to pay some1 else's healthcare"? Bcuz, what they don,t seem to get is that, some1 else will also be paying a part of ur healthcare. Some1 wealthier, so he can provide more.
@rolingpingu They get that, but just because someone is paying for their healthcare doesn't mean they want to pay for other people's. And besides, it's their money for them to choose what they want to do with it. If they don't want healthcare, they shouldn't be FORCED to buy it.
@Iisdabest889 I get that point. Even if kinda strange, since it shouldn't bother u to pay for X person if Y person will be paying for u. But besides that, i get the point. Anyways, when u live in a country with universal healthcare, u r not "forced" to buy it. U always have it...whereever u are, no matter the circumstances. There is no way of "not having it". If it was about being forced to buy it, then it'd be kinda evil.
@rolingpingu Well essentially you are if it's coming out of your tax dollars. If the government is taxing people to not only run itself, but pay for things that you would normally choose to pay for, then technically you are being forced to buy something seeing as how you have no choice.
@Iisdabest889 As I said, I get that point. The thing is that...if it works and if it's good...I don't see why I should be bad. (I hate using other ppl examples, but here goes) For example the police and fire dept.
@rolingpingu Well you can't really compare police to health care, as health care is something we choose whereas the police are there to protect our rights. The fire dept system works, but it's not necessarily the best system in the world. Nazism works very well, so should it be used? Of course not! It's the same thing only less extreme, some see it as an abuse of their rights, others care more about the more successful state, etc.
@Iisdabest889 Ya that's why I said it was a bad exemple. Though, comparing universal healthcare with nazism...well u know what the "Godwin's law is" :P. There's no link. An universal healthcare is far from being big government, as they don,t have any rights on ur health. The only right they have is to take taxes from ppl, so they provide healthcare to every1. As I told u, I get why some might think this is bad, but many will also think it could be actually good! Maybe it's relative...
@rolingpingu Well the biggest barrier is the fact that we don't completely know if it will work. There are countries with universal healthcare but the outcome of them has been either a little better or disastrous. Israel has universal healthcare, but then again so does India, and with the economy as it is it's a huge risk to make such a big, and difficult to reverse, change when there are other methods we haven't tried.
Oh wait the U.S is hated throughout your ideologically conservative friends in the Muslim world. Is it because of religion? Well al-Qaida might say so, and ofc they represent one billion muslims.
It is good you hate liberals tho, they are the crown of the bourgeoisie, they created capitalism which I suppsoe you hate. True conservatives striving towards merchantilism. =)
Faced with stonewalling or overwhelming hate and bile, most give up trying to get anything done or defend themelves against nation-wrecker Liberal-Leftists.
But the mind-police idea just covers the moral bankruptcy beneath. Become impervious to the hysteria and confound them with facts and reason.
Online boards are good place to start and taking on the lickspittles can actually be fun. Click my name to view DEBATING AND EXPOSING LIBERALS NOW MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER (SPEECH).
I totally agree, we should definetely become more like the Arab world and ban those leftists and implement conservative religious law and strife backwards, what has modern society ever given us rich and wealthy.
Hahahah, well I hope not all Americans are this fit into my prejudice of the STUPID AMERICAN, xD Good to see on BBC today there is a Jon Stewart counter demonstration to show foreigners this is not the case, that there actually are more in-depth searching inhabitants oft he U.S.
@underbjorn You're joking, right? Restoring Honor had more depth and points than whatever claptrap Stewart came up with. and btw, if America is so dumb, why are people from Europe choosing to move over here?
Well you need some refreshing minds amongst your intelligentia, but sadly it doesn't affect the majority of your population supporting your neoliberal "conservative" agenda.
Really cba to have do the discussion all over again, but if you want some answers, check the discussion which broke into pieces neoliberalism on "Glenn Beck presents the Obama National Anthem".
Okay, that is exactly what I during the last month has presented for AlesandrosX and several other Americans (I presume they are anyways) which just blatantly crawl all over the Republican "Christian sonservative" bullshit, calling it conservative and merging Liberals with Socialists into one stupid mega-enemy. I just can't face something as ignorant as that and am not going to it all over.
if you think f.e my country and its neighbours are not working. then spew itout
Which is that until the American mega corporations screwed up the U.S economy into a global recession (Thanks to Bush deregulations), there weren't any needs for these austerity measures. -_- The only thing you and your lot actually says is "Communism doesnt work", "socialism is communism", "everything socialist is like Stalin omfg", "liberals are socialists and fail" etc etc. It just gets worse, and it sure feeds my antipathy for Americans, :S
Your liberal rants just make me laugh more and more...;)
Bush wasnt responsible for the recession anymore than the moon is to blame for sharks attacking people. What you left out is a little something called fact. The fact remains socialism coddles people, destroys incentives, and degrades every society that has accepted it.
2. How was Bush and his deregulation NOT responsible? Was Bush maybe a socialist that deregulated the economy? Are you an idiot for real?
3. Why do you start your post by calling me liberal and then ending with socialism? Don't tell me you are going the same way the other idiots, merbging to opposing ideologies like youre actually WANTING ppl to believe you are getting insufficient education.
2. No--the idiot title goes to you. Democrats (aka socialists) thought they can defy the laws of economics by implementing sub-prime morgages. No republican favored this.
3. My education is top notch. Yours, however, lacks substance.
If you want to sure, but I really cant haver a functioning discussion on this media platform. If you are inclined, check the Obama national Anthem video comments.
Okay as you dont dare go to a forum for discussion, why is it you conservatives which dont rule any country in the industrialized world except theo ne being at war with two countries across the globe always condescend and embarras yourselves. :S
You are calling Democracs socialists whereas there are several conservative democrafs? You call me liberal then socialist and the atheist (In the PM at least).
Where did you say your top-notch education went huh? Well if else for fun, I can watch an Americans are stupid video.
You have all the good scientists, sure, why do you think they go to the U.S? Becauset he resources are there. Any indigenous smartness? NO, there are most Einstein like, immigrating scientists.
The prime minister and speaker ofr Australian parliament goes to the U.S for health care? OF COURSE they do, they can AFFORD luxury health care offered in the U.S. "Uuh well duuh mexicans do too". yea sure, then you expulse them and send them goddamn back across the river or you let them live for slave salaries, ever heard of sans papiers?
Mate please watch "Glenn Beck Loses His Mind On A Caller About Healthcare", it shows abit how my view on conservatives in America differs from my view of conservatives in every single other country on this globe. :/
What? That Swede, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Germany etc has been ruled by progressive social democratic governments which have built up the largest most effective social welfare system ever?
"GET THE FUCK OFF MY PHONE" or whatever, xD hahahaha, xD Well I guess every country needs their clown political reporter.
Once again, the only thing you say is condescending and gives nothing to the discussion. It's like you spew spew spew out bullshit with no value whatsoever. What are you, the conservative bullshit mill?
1. Glenn Beck has a opinion show. Not a news show so he can't be a reporter.
2. The "Get off my phone" controversy. He never said 'fuck' so the quote is inaccurate. Also if memory serves me the woman he was talking with on the phone was accusing him of never criticizing Bush. Which is also inaccurate seeing that Beck has been a critic of Bush since 2006.
As a conservative myself I also had problems with Bush. Mostly for not securing the southern border and using a bailout.
NoobieKid, it is nice to see peole who can enter discussion withotu a bombardment of personal attacks, utterly irrelevant cannonade of such.
I can very much understand that the bailouts directly preceeding the presidency of Obama is worrying to classic conservatives with a market liberal ideal, which seems most American conservatives have. Although generally social democratic financially speaking I actually find myself also questioning the overtaking of these large corporations.
"Bush wasnt responsible for the recession anymore than the moon is to blame for sharks attacking people". Do you actually believe that? Really?
Well yes, it was your communist president George Bush of the communist Republican party that ordered the bailout of Freddie Mae and Fannie Mac where your beloved treasury secretary had his stake huh?
The riots in France is an indirect response to a globalized market where whatever happens in United States industries affects the rest of us, very sad but so true. And there is one cold rule of the private sector: As long as it generates profits, it works.
This is the rule you want the rest of us to live under, well it disgusts me and I suppose...the rest of the world.
Why does Karl Marx have a surfer dude accent here?? WTF
He's GERMAN, you moron, Beck.
Besides, how many liberals today ACTUALLY think Karl Marx had EVERYTHING right, or that the Soviets and Communists in the Cold War were anything but idiots? Come on, dude. American liberals are pretty capitalist, actually. As well as many European ones. Yes, they favor a bigger gov't, but they do NOT favor communism at all. Clearly that's a failure, as everyone knows.
@whoo689 And the points made by "franklin" in this video are all fair points, but you totally skewered the other side's arguments and turned many of them into strawmen. Nice try, Beck. How about an INTELLIGENT debate? I've seen many points from the Left on this issue and criticisms of our current HC system, and they do have some good points. Their side is not totally without merit.
Besides, no one with any brains is asking for us to subsidize those who waste money on other stuff.
Liberals. commies. Marxists, Republicans. Whatever... They all pluck fruit out of each others basket.
Many years ago I had a mate who backed the teachings of Marx. When Britain's services were being de-nationalised and shares were handed to the people. He said its Marxism to let the people own the companies but Socialism or Communism for the Gov't to take control of them.
Makes ya think..... I hope.
I doubt Glen Becks book will be allowed as a school read. The Tides Foundation will disallow.
Neither of these men were idiots. Glenn Beck's audience on the other hand....Glenn Beck refuses to debate anyone because he isn't qualified. Come on Glenn, debate a left leaning political science professor if these people are such idiots. He never will because he knows his propaganda is totally one sided and he can't debate someone who knows both sides. So he makes up these mock debates because he's to ignorant to have a real one.
@chaumont20@chaumont20 Do you even know who Karl Marx is? Marx coined the idea that, and i quote, "The development of Modern Industry, therefore, cuts from under its feet the very foundation on which the bourgeoisie produces and appropriates products. What the bourgeoisie, therefore, produces, above all, are its own grave-diggers. Its fall and the victory of the proletariat are equally inevitable." Sounds familiar. Though i don't agree with an overthrow, we need some serious changes.
@drpeppa2357 Democrats - Liberals and Progressive Socialists - Communists should always be laughed at because it has never worked anywhere and will never work because human beings have a free will. You are old enough to go to Cuba and become a citizen. Try it for a couple of years and tell us how much you liked it.
@chaumont20 Socialism and communism are two different things my ignorant friend. Perhaps on your way to a book burning rally you could read up on the definition of socialism and perhaps come up with a coherent response to this staggering number of "Liberal communists" and our hidden agenda to take america by force for mother russia. Is that what you were going for? Last time i checked, its a bit difficult for impoverished nations to, you know, get out of poverty.
@drpeppa2357 If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be a Democrat - Liberal or Progressive Socialist - Communist. In years past people couldn't believe your ilk could be in places of power in America. President Obama has everyone believing it now. Go back in the closet where you belong.
@chaumont20 Your generalizations do not impress me. Obama is far from a socialist, with innumerable amounts of evidence stretching from his bank bailouts to the bailouts of the car industries. Our "ilk" as you so delicately mentioned, wanted to live in a country that supported its people, protected the consumer, and stood for something more than just the dollar bill. And i suppose this is all part of another equally ridiculous hidden agenda? You're full of it.
this "idiot" spent hundreds of hours in the oxford library in England up until he died. Glenn Beck spends hundreds of hours worshiping a sky-daddy in a religion that won't even approve of us carbon-dating its "ancient" golden plates.
Andy180084 4 months ago
@Andy180084 It's called "common sense", get one, it will make your life happier
tonyblackops 2 months ago
@tonyblackops Glenn Beck is a fucking extremist clown. The only people who need common sense are those that listen to his rantings.
Andy180084 2 months ago
@Andy180084 Speaking of extremist clowns....Andy180084 is on of them
tonyblackops 2 months ago
@tonyblackops lol, and how is that?
Andy180084 2 months ago
@tonyblackops common sense would of told you the earth was flat, so I wouldn't uses it as an argument
liberalgamer4 2 months ago
@liberalgamer4 Thank you for demonstration how liberals think. If I could give you 100$ I would.
tonyblackops 2 months ago
@tonyblackops you think I'm a liberal lol
liberalgamer4 2 months ago
@liberalgamer4 lol....go to a psychiatrist, he might figure out why you can't comprehend what "liberalgamer4" means.
sincerely, a concerned commenter.
tonyblackops 2 months ago
@tonyblackops you don't know what liberal means it appears, you do know that america isn't the only country in the world right and that liberal has different meanings in different countries, you also have clearly never heard of classic liberal neither.
liberalgamer4 2 months ago
@liberalgamer4 and you clearly never heard of a text book stupid....it's you
tonyblackops 2 months ago
@tonyblackops If you mean in the classical sense then yes, if you mean the modern sense then no
liberalgamer4 2 months ago
if you look at karls account #...
scoobydoorocks10 6 months ago
What many fail to understand is that in Marx's system, when something is controlled by the government, it is controlled by the people (yes, we forget that democracy is a government of the people!). Now when a small amount of people use the system to abuse the people into paying extremely high deductibles for insurance, things aren't always as pretty as Glenn Beck makes them. Now to say people buy iPods over insurance is ridiculous, you've got to be kidding. Beck doesn't get out much, does he?
TheRationalist76 8 months ago
@TheRationalist76 In Marx's system when something is controlled by the government it is controlled by the people??? Laugh, so in the world of Marx everything is backwards?? Black is white, good is evil?? This reminds me of one of those Yakov Smirnoff "In Soviet Russia" jokes.
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
@WorshipInTruth Is a democracy not a government of the people?
TheRationalist76 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 First of all, this country [U.S.] was not set up to be a "democracy" but a republic. A republic is when you have officials that are acting as REPRESENTATIVES of the people, democracy [meaning elections] is merely the way in which we determine who represents us, hence "representative democracy". The problem is that the officials we elect to represent us are not representing us at all. In marxist system all "representatives" are taken from communist party.
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
@WorshipInTruth When did i mention the US government? I mentioned democratic Marxism, but not the US government. Nonetheless, a Republic is a form of Democracy because the people still control the government. I agree with you that our choice of representation really sucks at that it is mainly manipulation that allows dirt-bag politicians into office. I was actually more so saying that when the Proletariat (everyone should be working..) owns the means of production, the people do.
TheRationalist76 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 WRONG! A republic is not necessarily a "form of democracy", but some republics do utilize democracy (popular elections). When you are talking about democracy AS A FORM OF GOVERNMENT you are talking about a "direct democracy" aka a popular democracy which IS a marxist democracy and was spoken against by ALL of the founding Fathers who set up the American form of government as a REPUBLIC, not a direct-popular "democracy".
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
@WorshipInTruth Well excuse my language then: i'll be sure to say Constitutional Republic next time
TheRationalist76 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 Oh please do, I would be extremely pleased to see you properly refer to this nation as a "Constitutional Republic" instead of erroneously calling it a "democracy".
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
@WorshipInTruth Although i was never speaking of the US government as a democracy, i was merely speaking of a democracy in general...although you don't want to accept that i'm not speaking of the US..
TheRationalist76 7 months ago
@WorshipInTruth I'd also like to add that fundamental Marxism and Communism are a bit different. Communism is really supposed to be the final stage of the fall of Capitalism, not a forced government, nor the bureaucratic systems held by most Communist nations in history. I'm not saying Marx's system would necessarily work (greed tends to destroy it actually), but it is not "evil" or stupid in any way
TheRationalist76 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 In marxist theory the communist large government state does come after the "fall of capitalism [i.e fall of ownership]" but is not itself the last stage, marxist theory implies that after communism will come a natural almost anarchist state in which there will be no authority and that is exactly where marxism shows its insanity. How does it expect statelessness to come out of collective centralization?? Yes Marx was an evil man and his theory is purposefully deceptive.
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
@WorshipInTruth In what regard is his ideas evil?? If anything, it is Capitalism that is morally wrong! The anarchist state was a classless society where there was no private ownership, much different. A bit utopian at a mass level, but on a more miniature scale it works
TheRationalist76 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 The ownership of property or the open buying and selling of goods is morally wrong?? Under what moral system? Now I know you are nuts. Utopian thinkers and idealists like yourself are responsible for the worlds political problems, when will you realize this and let man be??
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
@WorshipInTruth I did not say ownership of property is morally wrong. Capitalism is not that. Capitalism is a system where one side abuses the other for personal gain and where greed dominates. I believe Capitalism is a great system of regulated and treated properly. Allow the phrase "hard work gets you somewhere" to actually mean something and where abuse of others is not so wide-spread
"They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa and Latin America"
TheRationalist76 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 Listen, just as you marxists will say "but but there are different TYPES of communism" I will also note that there are different types of "Capitalism". Capitalism by its purest defintion refers simply to the owning of CAPITAL, this only becomes a problem when we have MONOPOLY Capitalism (aka corporatism).What I am advocating is true FREE MARKET capitalism as practiced in America before the rise of the robber barons who developed their monopolies via WORKING WITH THE GOVERNMENT.
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
@WorshipInTruth i'm hardly a marxist, i only defend it when those who don't understand its concepts criticize it. Free Marker Capitalism is the worst capitalism because it allows anyone to do anything to gain Capital, which especially causes mass suffering. The Industrial Age contained Free Market Capitalism and 95% of the population in Britain was dirt poor. Monopoly Capitalism is just as bad because it prevents regulation
TheRationalist76 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 MANY MANY writings, I wont even mention Adam Smith, Any Rand etc. (because I don't particularly think they are "moral") go to show how allowing people the liberty to freely pursue capital actually produces prosperity for the greatest number of people. Far from causes "mass suffering" it actually does the opposite and this liberty to pursue capital freely is actually one of the reasons America flourished above the rest of the world in such a short period of time.
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
@WorshipInTruth I have read many of Adam Smith's writings. Yet he even states that going on the assumption that people will regulate themselves, and that is what will allow the system to work. If you would like, i could search for the specific passage in Wealth of Nations, yet it may take some time
TheRationalist76 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 Self regulation is ALWAYS important in ANY society. That is why I argue that if we want to fix the current state of the government we must first be a regenerated and moral people. The founders knew that without a high standard of public morality this Constitutionally limited Republic would fall and be replaced by a limitless dictatorship of some sorts. This is the part where I bring up Christianity (or at least Christian values) as being key and vital to the health of a nation.
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
@WorshipInTruth Your boy Benjamin Franklin wouldn't appreciate your idea of sponsering a Christian Institution to create those morals. Nonetheless, i don't believe that it would help. Filling the heads of the populous with fairy tales in order to have them regulate themselves is insanity. You don't need religion to create a self-regulating individual. Either way, the majority of those who are abusing humans overseas call themselves Christians. This is a secular nation, the state cannot support i
TheRationalist76 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 Sponsoring a Christian institution to create morals? What are you talking about?? All I suggested was that the people need to be steeped in Christian morality. Ben Franklin is certainly one of the my least favorites of the founding fathers, he said some good things but in the end I would say that Franklin was a wicked man.
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 Many other founders, by the way, were devout Christians and ALL of the founders (including the diests Franklin and Jefferson) spoke of the importance of the Christian religion for the preservation of the nation. One of the primary reasons for the seperation of Church and state was to protect the Churches from state influence, not the other way around. The Founders knew that both Church and State were important to the health of a society but they were to be compartmentalized.
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 "Either way, the majority of those who are abusing humans overseas call themselves Christians"?? That is just plain bullshit, where did you come up with that nonsense?? That statement just shows how far you are indoctrinated as to where the "Christian" is the eternal bad guy. If you knew what was going on in the world you would know that it is people who identify as muslims, jews or radical athiestical communists who are responsible for most the terrors in foreign lands.
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 If you do not believe me I could show you many quotes where the founders mention the extreme importance of Christianity in creating a good and moral nations. The founders (even the diests like Franklin and Jefferson) would have been horrified over the mass athiesm and indifference to religious things which has swept this land in the last 60 years. The state (while being unable to favor any particular religious institution) CAN certainly support and reflect Christian values.
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 It is sad that your whole conception of the Bible and of God is that it is just a "fairy tale". It goes to show the depths of your ignorance.
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
@WorshipInTruth May i ask the difference? Both are made up stories meant to teach a moral or ethical value (or collection of). The difference is the Bible is a bit more violent and causes much more prejudices. Now i can tell you there is not much ignorance in my relationship with religion, quite the opposite actually. I've studied it for many years and i have come to the conclusion that there is most likely no man in the sky determining whether or not you live in clouds or burn for eternity
TheRationalist76 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 You obviously know nothing of the Christian faith or the Bible. This is evident by your statement that "both are meant to teach a moral or ethical value" ummm, not its not, that is not what it is "meant" for. You also said "there is most likely no man in the sky determining whether or not you live in clouds or burn for eternity" which concept is also found nowhere in the Bible, if you are going to argue against my position I suggest you at least learn what that position is.
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
@WorshipInTruth You want to know about the Christian Faith? How about you look up things such as the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, etc. Christianity has been the cause of too many deaths in history it is unbelievable. And why? Because your great book allows it. Your God doesn't make a great example when he allows the massacring of Canaanite villages as a result of his saying it is the Israelites' land. Your God is no God of peace, he is a jealous monster who kills those opposing of him
TheRationalist76 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 The crusades and the spanish inquisition were both carried out by the catholic church, you apparently need to learn the difference between true Bible based Christianity and papal catholicism, according to the catholic church I am an "obstinate heretic" and I assure you that I am a bigger enemy of that system then yourself as the papists murdered true Christians for 600 years. Funny that you stick up for marxism even though it is responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths.
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 My God is a God of wrath and yes he is jealous when people worship the creation instead of the Creator, he is in the right for being angered over this. Before Jesus Christ, the goyim (non-jewish) nations were the enemy of God and the canaanites were wicked pagan heathens who would sacrifice their children to the flames, God needed them cleansed from the land which he promised to the descendents of Abraham in order that he could ultimately bring salvation to the world.
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away, keep that in mind.
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
@WorshipInTruth The "Lord" is an excuse for humans to kill other humans, keep that in mind
TheRationalist76 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 What an ignorant statement, especially when the Bible expressly forbids murder.
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
@WorshipInTruth "And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:" -Deuteronomy 20:13
"And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed" -Exodus 12:29
Then why does God murder?
TheRationalist76 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 I already explained that before Christ God was no friend to the heathen pagan peoples, he was their enemy and what he did was to the benefit of his Hebrew people. The land of canaan needed to be cleansed of the wicked heathens if the Christ was ever to be born unto the world in order to save the world (jew and gentile alike).
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
@WorshipInTruth It cleaned nothing. The Jews were angry because they believed their God was jealous that a different culture was worshipping a different God. Now God doesn't appear any less wicked. God kills women and children, orders the slaughtering of many and is just a plain out ass. I do not understand how so many fools continue to worship such a thing in the 21st century. With the amount of information we have we should realize that Christianity has no more validity than any pagan religion
TheRationalist76 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 For you to compare the beauty of the Christian faith to paganism is also absurd and hateful. The pagans had no morality as we know it today, it was nothing for them to murder or sacrifice their children to the flames, the Judeo-Christian faith gave us the ten commandments and the high morality of Christ Jesus.
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
@WorshipInTruth Oh please, you believe that people were killing each other left and right before the ten commandments? The same laws were applied in Egypt long before the ten commandments
TheRationalist76 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 "The same laws were applied in Egypt long before the ten commandments". No they weren't and you have no proof of that. I am sure Egypt had laws against murder, but they understood nothing about giving homage to the Creator instead of practicing idolatry, they understood nothing about honoring their parents or not coveting their neighbors property, they were your typical wealth and money worshippers, they worshipped men (the pharaohs) as if they were gods.
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
@WorshipInTruth Yes, and our great system of Capitalism isn't a money worshipping system? and i do have proof if you would like to see
TheRationalist76 7 months ago
@TheRationalist7 True moral capitalism is ultimately the practicing of "economy" free from government regulation, it is not in itself a philosophy of morality. Communism crosses this bridge which it advocates the open theft and appropriation of the property of landowners. Whether or not you realize it, much of this "anti-capitalist" senitment actually comes from heretical "christian" sects who do not understand that coercion is an ungodly way to acheive a living regardless of the ideology.
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
@WorshipInTruth And how do you think they got that land?
TheRationalist76 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 The only way in which you can acquire land, you buy it. Ahhh, the buying of land and property, that IS the essence of "captialism".
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
@WorshipInTruth You believe the Westerners "bought" the land from the Native Americans? I don't recall it being that simple
TheRationalist76 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 Sure it was, my native state of Pennsylvania was rightfully purchased from the Indians by the Quakers who were known for their honest dealings with the natives.
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
@WorshipInTruth I believe the early settlers of most colonies had to kill the "stubborn" Indians for the land?
TheRationalist76 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 The whole relationship between the natives and the settlers is much more complicated than you would think. Remember there were different indian tribes who all took different positions regarding the white settlers, oftentimes the whites would rightfully purchase land or aid from the natives but then the Indians would later decide that they want it back, hence the term "indian giver".
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
@WorshipInTruth this is true in some cases, yet there are still many, many cases in which it was not this way
TheRationalist76 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 It is God who gave them life to begin with so he is more than in the right to take it away as he desires, who are you to question his motives and intentions?? The very fact that you are alive goes to show his great mercy, the only thing keeping us from being swallowed up by hell at any moment is the grace and mercy of the Lord. He could destroy us as easily as we squash an insect.
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
@WorshipInTruth That is a flat out lie and you know it. There is no God, and if there was, then i recommend he show himself to everybody for he appears a coward. "God" is an excuse for people to do what they want and justify it. "God" is a creation of the mind and is a way for people to justify any action because they can claim it was "God's will" because they believe he spoke to them. It really scares me when people claim that God spoke to them, because it really shows the insanity of religion
TheRationalist76 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 "There is no God, and if there was, then I recommend he show himself to everybody for he appears a coward"?? He did show himself, then he was crucified by you and for you. People will always find a reason to do or justify evil, even without religion, do you realize how many terrorists went out and murdered for the furtherment of "the communist revolution"??? For you to throw all the faults of man on faith in God is not just absurd, it is hateful.
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 First of all, London's "Industrial Age" is one of the primary reasons for the modern era and our technological advancement, no doubt you would not even be typing on your computer as you are without this great leap in industrial capability and growth. Secondly, far from displaying the free-market capitalism which I speak of, 18th-19th century Britain displays MONOPOLY capitalism to the greatest extent.
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
You could of course argue that free market capitalism eventually develops into monopoly capitalism but I would counter by arguing that this only happens when the government begins to show preferential treatment and benefits to certain businesses or economic sectors. So we see that the problem once again goes back to government and the size and scope of its authority and that is the real issue, individualism vs collectivism, compartmentalization vs centralization etc.
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
@WorshipInTruth This is true to an extent. Although monopolies still are very easily formed under free market, government sponsorship accelerates and helps the creation of monopolies heavily.
TheRationalist76 7 months ago
@TheRationalist76 See that is where I disagree, I do not believe that monopolies form very easily under a free market system where there is TRUE COMPETITION, it is when governments (either domestic or foreign) begin to either favor particular companies or limit the ability of business to properly compete that we have the development of monopolies and huge mega-corporations. Many such as yourself seem to view government regulation as the solution without noting that is what created the problem.
WorshipInTruth 7 months ago
Why did they put Benjamin Franklin in an Economic video? Benjamin Franklin was a man who put his energy into things such as discussing liberty and political freedom, not Economics. Capitalism wasn't even dynamic until the Industrial Age in America, long after BF's death. Last, you shed Marx into a very negative category. If it weren't for Marx, things such as Unions and worker's rights would be kept to a minimum. Marx believed Capitalism would fall on its own as a result of the lack of rights
TheRationalist76 8 months ago
In other news a majority of Americans have wanted single-payer for decades...
AndroidPolitician 9 months ago
@AndroidPolitician In other words, that is a completely baseless statement. Got any proof for that?
pantherfanatic7 9 months ago
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AndroidPolitician 9 months ago
@pantherfanatic7 That's over simplifying it, but overall there has been growing support among Americans for some form of universal health-care/public insurance. From 2003-2008 polling generally showed majority support. The healthcare debate has been tainted by Obamacare though, because it is a really bad plan, even though obamacare is just forced privatized medicine, getting the worst of free market with the worst of government intervention. no other country works like that.
nerfmyaccount 8 months ago
love this
arkor7 10 months ago
@lordnimr0d Did Michael Moore tell you that?
627dre 10 months ago
To give full control to company would be the worse of two evils. Let's say hypothetically we adopt laissez faire economics. That mean no government hand out which seems what Glenn Beck wants. The lower class will be un-insured because why would a company want to pay someone who couldn't pay back. It is natural for greed to corrupt in Capitalist systems. Not to say totalitarianism is better but that's a different subject. I myself, on medicaid and my dental will be cut I wonder who's at fault.
ravenheart93 10 months ago
@ravenheart93 It is natural for greed to corrupt in any system. Greed is checked by morals, competition, and government. Capitalism is still the undisputed champion of all systems until some genius creates something better. Until then give me John Locke, Adam Smith, and Milton Friedman any day of the week.
Truthman23 9 months ago
@Truthman23 Yes but take this from a psychoanalytical perspective. When a reward such as money is in play a person will ignore morality if it would serve in their benefit. We can't expect people to keep their morality in check wit competition in the wake because people will fight like hell to be on top. I was also speaking about laissez faire society so government has no say so in economics. Capitalism is no champion a mixed economy would be more suitable but even that is at times to lax.
ravenheart93 9 months ago
@ravenThe point is taken. But in ANY system people try to do something that benefits themselves.That's the point of these philosophers. The morality part cannot be forced by government. That is where we part ways.Capitalism is pure economics. The fight to keep Faith(Morality) as an influence in Capitalism and my Republic is ongoing. A mixed economy leads to stagnation and eventual decline.Capitalism is the champion, and the countries and city-states that have embraced it reap the rewards.
Truthman23 9 months ago
Hey, I checked some facts on the net, and discovered that most health insurance for Wal-mart employees are not from Wal-mart. Almost, anyway, about 50%.
Denon333dash888 11 months ago
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Dubblecast 1 year ago
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adam8xz1 1 year ago
I am a Canadian, but I grew up in America. When I was young (about 20 years ago) there was never ANY worry about healthcare in the states. We were a middle class family, living in a 3 bedroom house. My family owned a gift-shop selling knick-knacks.
The problem with the healthcare is the "HMO'S", insurance companies, big pharma, big business in general. But the solution IS NOT SOCIALIST medicine!!!!!!!!!!! The solution is to make the corporations obey the damn law, chop up the monopolies, etc.
1776Matthew 1 year ago
@1776Matthew And as a Canadian, I can tell you that the healthcare system up here SUCKS. Patients are treated like cattle. There is absolutely no respect, no "human touch" to the system. You are treated like government property. Doctors can't be bothered to answer your questions, and they will often withhold information from you regarding YOUR OWN BODY. It is like pulling teeth to get a GP to refer you to a specialist, the atmosphere and cleanliness of most "walk-in" clinics is like a DMV.
1776Matthew 1 year ago
@1776Matthew And despite the delusional beliefs of brainwashed socialist-dupe Canadians... IT ISN'T "FREE" HELTHCARE!!!! People CONSTANTLY have to be reminded that they are paying for it ALL YEAR LONG. (And likely overpaying dramatically.)
1776Matthew 1 year ago
@1776Matthew whereas in the alternative system (non-tax'd healthcare), only the rich can get decent healthcare?
NewtMcNED 1 year ago
@NewtMcNED WRONG. It was not like this before the 1960's-1970's in America. Nobody worried about it. As I said, even into the early 90's my middle class family never worried about it. You didn't have to be rich to get healthcare. AM I LIVING IN FUCKING KOO-KOO LAND!?!?!?!? WHY CAN'T ANYONE REMEMBER WHAT LIFE WAS LIKE JUST A FEW SHORT DECADES AGO!?!?!?!?
It is the INSURANCE COMPANIES, HMO'S, BIG PHARMA, and BIOTECH companies that are the problem. Private healthcare, WITHOUT BIG BUSINESS RAPING.
1776Matthew 1 year ago
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@1776Matthew "WRONG. It was not like this before the 1960's-1970's in America."
Ah, of course. When in doubt, ALWAYS REFER TO THE GOLDEN AGE.
'Hey! Enron cheated us trillions of dollars, and now California is dead!'
'Yeah, but 5 years ago, Enron was the best company evar!!1! Therefore, your argument is invalid and Enron is still the best.'
'But Lu Pai got away with hundreds of millions of 'imaginary' cash! He just bought a mountain!'
'Shutup.'
unifieddynasty 1 year ago
@1776Matthew "IT ISN'T "FREE" HELTHCARE!!!!"
No shit, son. I'm pretty sure everyone knows that. What they mean by 'free' healthcare is that, when you have an illness, you do not need to pay anything to treat that illness. The money is already there to help you. It's like American insurance, except that it doesn't cheat on you 90% of the time.
"And likely overpaying dramatically"
The next time you have a lifeordeath surgery, have fun 'overpaying dramatically' your health bill.
unifieddynasty 1 year ago
@1776Matthew " Patients are treated like cattle"
I am unsure where you are from, in Canada, but patients are never treated as cattle. If sitting down in a waiting room, and waiting for your number constitutes as being a cow, then everyone in the world is a cow.
"here is absolutely no respect, no "human touch" to the system"
What nonsense. How can there be no human touch when you are treated by qualified doctors? Perhaps this is an isolated case, but it is nonsense from where I come from.
unifieddynasty 1 year ago
@1776Matthew "Doctors can't be bothered to answer your questions"
Don't make stuff up. The doctors are PAID to answer your health questions. Just don't go and expect them to help you in school.
"and they will often withhold information from you regarding YOUR OWN BODY"
This gets more and more bullshittier the more I read your posts. Perhaps the only time a doctor will withhold information is when they feel it to be irrelevant. Or perhaps they are not too qualified. Extremely rare case.
unifieddynasty 1 year ago
@unifieddynasty You're completely talking shit. I am speaking from personal experience on all points here. Both from my own encounters with the Canadian system and its "qualified professionals", and from those of my girlfriend. Doctors here get annoyed that a mere mortal would even dare to open his mouth with an inquiry.
'"IT ISN'T "FREE" HELTHCARE!!!!' No shit, son."... "when you have an illness, you do not need to pay anything to treat that illness."
Stunning failure of logic.
1776Matthew 1 year ago
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@1776Matthew "You're completely talking shit. I am speaking from personal experience on all points here."
Same here.
"Doctors here get annoyed that a mere mortal would even dare to open his mouth with an inquiry."
Great. Blame an entire social system on one doctor's hubris.
"Stunning failure of logic."
Stunning failure to analyze logic. If you are at all competent and literate, you would have realized and quoted my entire explanation.
unifieddynasty 1 year ago
@1776Matthew "The problem with the healthcare is the "HMO'S", insurance companies, big pharma, big business in general"
Got that right.
"The solution is to make the corporations obey the damn law, chop up the monopolies, etc."
They are obeying the damn law. 100% obeying the damn law. The companies got big from the free market. Now they own the 'free' market. Good luck chopping them up without any socialist measures.
unifieddynasty 1 year ago
That's what it would be like if any reasonably intelligent person had a conversation with Beck himself.
blargensnaffle 1 year ago
I personally don't give a shiot about laughing of dead people...no matter who they are
rolingpingu 1 year ago
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Someone needs to write a book entitled:
'Arguing with idiots who read "Arguing with Idiots'".
Lets light this candle!
CampbellJRMartin 1 year ago
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CampbellJRMartin 1 year ago
Hmmm...where is the "Glenn beck" character on this? Oh and even when it's universal healthcare (by the govt'), ppl (individuals) still have control over their health. And isn't it pretty strange when ppl say "I don't want to pay some1 else's healthcare"? Bcuz, what they don,t seem to get is that, some1 else will also be paying a part of ur healthcare. Some1 wealthier, so he can provide more.
rolingpingu 1 year ago
@rolingpingu They get that, but just because someone is paying for their healthcare doesn't mean they want to pay for other people's. And besides, it's their money for them to choose what they want to do with it. If they don't want healthcare, they shouldn't be FORCED to buy it.
Iisdabest889 1 year ago
@Iisdabest889 I get that point. Even if kinda strange, since it shouldn't bother u to pay for X person if Y person will be paying for u. But besides that, i get the point. Anyways, when u live in a country with universal healthcare, u r not "forced" to buy it. U always have it...whereever u are, no matter the circumstances. There is no way of "not having it". If it was about being forced to buy it, then it'd be kinda evil.
rolingpingu 1 year ago
@rolingpingu Well essentially you are if it's coming out of your tax dollars. If the government is taxing people to not only run itself, but pay for things that you would normally choose to pay for, then technically you are being forced to buy something seeing as how you have no choice.
Iisdabest889 1 year ago
@Iisdabest889 As I said, I get that point. The thing is that...if it works and if it's good...I don't see why I should be bad. (I hate using other ppl examples, but here goes) For example the police and fire dept.
rolingpingu 1 year ago
@rolingpingu Well you can't really compare police to health care, as health care is something we choose whereas the police are there to protect our rights. The fire dept system works, but it's not necessarily the best system in the world. Nazism works very well, so should it be used? Of course not! It's the same thing only less extreme, some see it as an abuse of their rights, others care more about the more successful state, etc.
Iisdabest889 1 year ago
@Iisdabest889 Ya that's why I said it was a bad exemple. Though, comparing universal healthcare with nazism...well u know what the "Godwin's law is" :P. There's no link. An universal healthcare is far from being big government, as they don,t have any rights on ur health. The only right they have is to take taxes from ppl, so they provide healthcare to every1. As I told u, I get why some might think this is bad, but many will also think it could be actually good! Maybe it's relative...
rolingpingu 1 year ago
@rolingpingu Well the biggest barrier is the fact that we don't completely know if it will work. There are countries with universal healthcare but the outcome of them has been either a little better or disastrous. Israel has universal healthcare, but then again so does India, and with the economy as it is it's a huge risk to make such a big, and difficult to reverse, change when there are other methods we haven't tried.
Iisdabest889 1 year ago
@Iisdabest889 Ya, it's complicated :\ and mostly, very risky
rolingpingu 1 year ago
Oh wait the U.S is hated throughout your ideologically conservative friends in the Muslim world. Is it because of religion? Well al-Qaida might say so, and ofc they represent one billion muslims.
It is good you hate liberals tho, they are the crown of the bourgeoisie, they created capitalism which I suppsoe you hate. True conservatives striving towards merchantilism. =)
underbjorn 1 year ago
@underbjorn IE founding fathers vs Lincoln.
Iisdabest889 1 year ago
Faced with stonewalling or overwhelming hate and bile, most give up trying to get anything done or defend themelves against nation-wrecker Liberal-Leftists.
But the mind-police idea just covers the moral bankruptcy beneath. Become impervious to the hysteria and confound them with facts and reason.
Online boards are good place to start and taking on the lickspittles can actually be fun. Click my name to view DEBATING AND EXPOSING LIBERALS NOW MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER (SPEECH).
TheDustpile 1 year ago
@TheDustpile ---
I totally agree, we should definetely become more like the Arab world and ban those leftists and implement conservative religious law and strife backwards, what has modern society ever given us rich and wealthy.
underbjorn 1 year ago
Hmm the silence of the stunned conservative.
Probably loading a salvo of hypocrisy and personal attacks, the main ingredients of this day's discussion from one part at least. =)
underbjorn 1 year ago
Hahahah, well I hope not all Americans are this fit into my prejudice of the STUPID AMERICAN, xD Good to see on BBC today there is a Jon Stewart counter demonstration to show foreigners this is not the case, that there actually are more in-depth searching inhabitants oft he U.S.
underbjorn 1 year ago
@underbjorn You're joking, right? Restoring Honor had more depth and points than whatever claptrap Stewart came up with. and btw, if America is so dumb, why are people from Europe choosing to move over here?
MrTrilliondollarman 1 year ago
@MrTrilliondollarman ---
Well you need some refreshing minds amongst your intelligentia, but sadly it doesn't affect the majority of your population supporting your neoliberal "conservative" agenda.
underbjorn 1 year ago
@underbjorn
As opposed to what: the socialist swamp that is Europe? Yeah, the riots in France show me how well that works out.
MrTrilliondollarman 1 year ago
@MrTrilliondollarman ---
Really cba to have do the discussion all over again, but if you want some answers, check the discussion which broke into pieces neoliberalism on "Glenn Beck presents the Obama National Anthem".
underbjorn 1 year ago
@underbjorn
Not what we are talking about....we're talking about socialism, which clearly doesnt work.
MrTrilliondollarman 1 year ago
@MrTrilliondollarman ---
Okay, that is exactly what I during the last month has presented for AlesandrosX and several other Americans (I presume they are anyways) which just blatantly crawl all over the Republican "Christian sonservative" bullshit, calling it conservative and merging Liberals with Socialists into one stupid mega-enemy. I just can't face something as ignorant as that and am not going to it all over.
if you think f.e my country and its neighbours are not working. then spew itout
underbjorn 1 year ago
@underbjorn
YAWN!!!
None of that changes the fact socialism just doesnt work and Europe needs to stop fooling itself into thinking otherwise.
MrTrilliondollarman 1 year ago
@MrTrilliondollarman ---
Which is that until the American mega corporations screwed up the U.S economy into a global recession (Thanks to Bush deregulations), there weren't any needs for these austerity measures. -_- The only thing you and your lot actually says is "Communism doesnt work", "socialism is communism", "everything socialist is like Stalin omfg", "liberals are socialists and fail" etc etc. It just gets worse, and it sure feeds my antipathy for Americans, :S
underbjorn 1 year ago 2
@underbjorn
Your liberal rants just make me laugh more and more...;)
Bush wasnt responsible for the recession anymore than the moon is to blame for sharks attacking people. What you left out is a little something called fact. The fact remains socialism coddles people, destroys incentives, and degrades every society that has accepted it.
MrTrilliondollarman 1 year ago
@MrTrilliondollarman ---
xDD
1. How did my last post make you laugh?
2. How was Bush and his deregulation NOT responsible? Was Bush maybe a socialist that deregulated the economy? Are you an idiot for real?
3. Why do you start your post by calling me liberal and then ending with socialism? Don't tell me you are going the same way the other idiots, merbging to opposing ideologies like youre actually WANTING ppl to believe you are getting insufficient education.
underbjorn 1 year ago 2
@underbjorn
1. By your ignorance and stupidity.
2. No--the idiot title goes to you. Democrats (aka socialists) thought they can defy the laws of economics by implementing sub-prime morgages. No republican favored this.
3. My education is top notch. Yours, however, lacks substance.
Care to lose again?
MrTrilliondollarman 1 year ago
@MrTrilliondollarman ---
Agh I get a kick out of this, :D
I end the discussion here on a platform of insufficient tools, posting on your profile.
underbjorn 1 year ago
@underbjorn
So you get a kick out of coming off saying "uhh...durr?"
So I can erase and block your nonsense there too?
MrTrilliondollarman 1 year ago
@MrTrilliondollarman ---
If you want to sure, but I really cant haver a functioning discussion on this media platform. If you are inclined, check the Obama national Anthem video comments.
underbjorn 1 year ago 2
@underbjorn
You dont seem capable of any type of discussion. So what are you getting at?
MrTrilliondollarman 1 year ago
@MrTrilliondollarman ---
You don't seem to be capable of anything else than actual nonsense intended at anything but favoring the discussion, :S
underbjorn 1 year ago
@MrTrilliondollarman ---
Okay as you dont dare go to a forum for discussion, why is it you conservatives which dont rule any country in the industrialized world except theo ne being at war with two countries across the globe always condescend and embarras yourselves. :S
underbjorn 1 year ago
@MrTrilliondollarman ---
You are calling Democracs socialists whereas there are several conservative democrafs? You call me liberal then socialist and the atheist (In the PM at least).
Where did you say your top-notch education went huh? Well if else for fun, I can watch an Americans are stupid video.
You have all the good scientists, sure, why do you think they go to the U.S? Becauset he resources are there. Any indigenous smartness? NO, there are most Einstein like, immigrating scientists.
underbjorn 1 year ago
@MrTrilliondollarman ---
The prime minister and speaker ofr Australian parliament goes to the U.S for health care? OF COURSE they do, they can AFFORD luxury health care offered in the U.S. "Uuh well duuh mexicans do too". yea sure, then you expulse them and send them goddamn back across the river or you let them live for slave salaries, ever heard of sans papiers?
underbjorn 1 year ago
@MrTrilliondollarman ---
Mate please watch "Glenn Beck Loses His Mind On A Caller About Healthcare", it shows abit how my view on conservatives in America differs from my view of conservatives in every single other country on this globe. :/
underbjorn 1 year ago 2
@underbjorn
Already did and he explained himself. Now stop getting off topic and get back to showing that you dont know what you're talking about.
MrTrilliondollarman 1 year ago
@MrTrilliondollarman ---
What? That Swede, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Germany etc has been ruled by progressive social democratic governments which have built up the largest most effective social welfare system ever?
underbjorn 1 year ago
@MrTrilliondollarman ---
He explained himself the Conservative way huh?
"GET THE FUCK OFF MY PHONE" or whatever, xD hahahaha, xD Well I guess every country needs their clown political reporter.
Once again, the only thing you say is condescending and gives nothing to the discussion. It's like you spew spew spew out bullshit with no value whatsoever. What are you, the conservative bullshit mill?
underbjorn 1 year ago
@underbjorn
1. Glenn Beck has a opinion show. Not a news show so he can't be a reporter.
2. The "Get off my phone" controversy. He never said 'fuck' so the quote is inaccurate. Also if memory serves me the woman he was talking with on the phone was accusing him of never criticizing Bush. Which is also inaccurate seeing that Beck has been a critic of Bush since 2006.
As a conservative myself I also had problems with Bush. Mostly for not securing the southern border and using a bailout.
NoobieKid 1 year ago
@NoobieKid ---
NoobieKid, it is nice to see peole who can enter discussion withotu a bombardment of personal attacks, utterly irrelevant cannonade of such.
I can very much understand that the bailouts directly preceeding the presidency of Obama is worrying to classic conservatives with a market liberal ideal, which seems most American conservatives have. Although generally social democratic financially speaking I actually find myself also questioning the overtaking of these large corporations.
underbjorn 1 year ago
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@MrTrilliondollarman ---
"Bush wasnt responsible for the recession anymore than the moon is to blame for sharks attacking people". Do you actually believe that? Really?
Well yes, it was your communist president George Bush of the communist Republican party that ordered the bailout of Freddie Mae and Fannie Mac where your beloved treasury secretary had his stake huh?
underbjorn 1 year ago 2
@underbjorn oh crap. you resumed it in one post. :O kuddos.
fenix144 1 year ago
@MrTrilliondollarman ---
The riots in France is an indirect response to a globalized market where whatever happens in United States industries affects the rest of us, very sad but so true. And there is one cold rule of the private sector: As long as it generates profits, it works.
This is the rule you want the rest of us to live under, well it disgusts me and I suppose...the rest of the world.
underbjorn 1 year ago
I hate you.
Badeshatube 1 year ago
Why does Karl Marx have a surfer dude accent here?? WTF
He's GERMAN, you moron, Beck.
Besides, how many liberals today ACTUALLY think Karl Marx had EVERYTHING right, or that the Soviets and Communists in the Cold War were anything but idiots? Come on, dude. American liberals are pretty capitalist, actually. As well as many European ones. Yes, they favor a bigger gov't, but they do NOT favor communism at all. Clearly that's a failure, as everyone knows.
whoo689 1 year ago
@whoo689 And the points made by "franklin" in this video are all fair points, but you totally skewered the other side's arguments and turned many of them into strawmen. Nice try, Beck. How about an INTELLIGENT debate? I've seen many points from the Left on this issue and criticisms of our current HC system, and they do have some good points. Their side is not totally without merit.
Besides, no one with any brains is asking for us to subsidize those who waste money on other stuff.
whoo689 1 year ago
Liberals. commies. Marxists, Republicans. Whatever... They all pluck fruit out of each others basket.
Many years ago I had a mate who backed the teachings of Marx. When Britain's services were being de-nationalised and shares were handed to the people. He said its Marxism to let the people own the companies but Socialism or Communism for the Gov't to take control of them.
Makes ya think..... I hope.
I doubt Glen Becks book will be allowed as a school read. The Tides Foundation will disallow.
m1aws 1 year ago
Neither of these men were idiots. Glenn Beck's audience on the other hand....Glenn Beck refuses to debate anyone because he isn't qualified. Come on Glenn, debate a left leaning political science professor if these people are such idiots. He never will because he knows his propaganda is totally one sided and he can't debate someone who knows both sides. So he makes up these mock debates because he's to ignorant to have a real one.
jrmsher33 1 year ago
@jrmsher33 Actually, he's tried. They all refuse to go on the show
monty287 1 year ago
@monty287 how come bill o'reilly gets to debate then?
fenix144 1 year ago
it is a shame americans cannot have a similar system to the nhs my heart goes out to you guys in the states
TruthApple88 1 year ago
Did they honestly just give Karl Marx a hippie surfer voiceover? Where's glenn, i'd like to introduce him to my fist.
drpeppa2357 1 year ago
@drpeppa2357 Yes, it's very,very wrong to make fun of Karl Marx. Right.
chaumont20 1 year ago
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drpeppa2357 1 year ago
@chaumont20 @chaumont20 Do you even know who Karl Marx is? Marx coined the idea that, and i quote, "The development of Modern Industry, therefore, cuts from under its feet the very foundation on which the bourgeoisie produces and appropriates products. What the bourgeoisie, therefore, produces, above all, are its own grave-diggers. Its fall and the victory of the proletariat are equally inevitable." Sounds familiar. Though i don't agree with an overthrow, we need some serious changes.
drpeppa2357 1 year ago
@drpeppa2357 Democrats - Liberals and Progressive Socialists - Communists should always be laughed at because it has never worked anywhere and will never work because human beings have a free will. You are old enough to go to Cuba and become a citizen. Try it for a couple of years and tell us how much you liked it.
chaumont20 1 year ago
@chaumont20 Socialism and communism are two different things my ignorant friend. Perhaps on your way to a book burning rally you could read up on the definition of socialism and perhaps come up with a coherent response to this staggering number of "Liberal communists" and our hidden agenda to take america by force for mother russia. Is that what you were going for? Last time i checked, its a bit difficult for impoverished nations to, you know, get out of poverty.
Keep the straw men coming.
drpeppa2357 1 year ago
@drpeppa2357 If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be a Democrat - Liberal or Progressive Socialist - Communist. In years past people couldn't believe your ilk could be in places of power in America. President Obama has everyone believing it now. Go back in the closet where you belong.
chaumont20 1 year ago
@chaumont20 Your generalizations do not impress me. Obama is far from a socialist, with innumerable amounts of evidence stretching from his bank bailouts to the bailouts of the car industries. Our "ilk" as you so delicately mentioned, wanted to live in a country that supported its people, protected the consumer, and stood for something more than just the dollar bill. And i suppose this is all part of another equally ridiculous hidden agenda? You're full of it.
drpeppa2357 1 year ago
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