what i dont get abotu all these tiny particles is the following, how can it exist a be somethign with out mass??? thats what i dont get, every thing that exists must have a mass even if it is too small to measure
By Gluons being a virtual particle, doesn't that mean it's a mental contruct to describe particle interaction over distances? Or are they in fact another set of particles? If so why call them virtual particles, and simply not just another set of Particles.
it is possiable to have a geometric shape with everything inside and yet nothing on the outside. Because the outside does not exist do to its shaped. A hyper cube is the first to hint at this theory. I believe hyper dimension and multi must exist which are apart of our universe. The outside is the inside in sum. The scale of everything could be on the order of U being our physical universe and everything we see. U to the power of 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 times 3.14.
And just for you people who are open to understanding I will express the nature of all things real and imagined. The sum of all that will ever be. The nature of all is not with in the scope of a human mind but to express a concept this is general. The size of all things is finite yet infinant to us on our scale. There are many levels of matter, space, time, anything and everthing. Like a layered cake. This is wraped in on its self in some geometric shape that can not exist here but we are apart.
YOu have no solid proof. In other words if this were a murder case; you would have failed to convince due to lack of evidence. This science is half baked and a way to sound smart. We live in an observable universe that consist's of matter. Not virtual matter. Quit wasting tax payer dollars and find a job that can sell something to China. They sell cell phones and computers , not pipe dreams. I know all of this and a lot more. I know the total of all things real and imagined.
according to "the elegant universe", gluon are the reason why the proton and neutron are intact (gluon is strong force). so, in nuclear bombs, gluon are released and a massive energy comes. but what about e=mc^2 ??
@MidnightRedemption You ask a very complicated question. The energy released in a nuclear bomb is binding energy. A proton and neutron united have about 2.2 MeV less mass/energy than they do when apart. This binding mass/energy is what gets released when a deuteron fuses together.
@MidnightRedemption (cont.) Since gluons provide the binding force and since gluons definitely contribute to the mass/energy of the deuteron, it is reasonable to conclude that the binding energy that is released in a nuclear reaction comes from the gluons -- at least in part.
@cassiopeiaproject not true.Gluons keep quarks together not nucleons. Pi mesons keep protons and neutrons together so it's more probably that energy comes from them during radioactive emission...
@TheCrypto137 The nucleon-nucleon attractive force mediated by mesons is an older idea that sort of works. The model since about the 1970's recognizes that mesons themselves are made up of quarks and gluons. When these mesons are exchanged -- the newer understanding shows, quarks and gluons are being exchanged with other quarks and gluons to form the nucleon-nucleon attractive force -- and gluons are the ultimate mediator of this force.
once you get that small, you get all kinds of weird things (string theory, wave particle duality...) besides we wont ever SEE a gluon. the visuals are made to satisfy the particles interactions.
for all we know they could be cubic, and simply interact like what we see here :P
IF a gluon is shaped like a string ..and itself is not made of smaller particles ..
does this mean its a continous entity?
cus i thought quantum mechanics rejects the idea of continuous....
i mean after all ..lets say hypothetically u could shricnk yourself to the size of a gluon ....what would u see? (even if u couldnt see it cus photons dont bounce off it) ..but for the sake of argument ..would it be like a solid circle?
If you could shrink yourself to the size of a gluon, then you would find that you had become an energy vibration in eleven dimensions. I don't know how to help you visualize that because I can't visualize it myself. The equations for early string theory resemble the classical equations for oscillating strings -- thus the name. But today, points, surfaces, and membranes are part of the theory as well.
@cassiopeiaproject "If you could shrink yourself to the size of a gluon, then you would find that you had become an energy vibration in eleven dimensions."
Isn't quantum mechanics completely separate from string theory and so should reject any string theory explanations?
Wow sideways, I just asked a very similar question on the Graviton vid. Here's what I think. There are no gluons, gravitons, W- bosons, or virtual photons, because they're all virtual. None of these has ever been detected, just the secondary particles that are theorized to come out of these virtual ones. It is all theory, and successful theory I must admit, similar to Ptolemy's epicycles. You would see spinning magnetic fields, perhaps precessing/oscillating as well.
actually their existence is prooven throo particle accelerator collissions ...in wich they gain enough energy to satistfy the conservation of energy rule so they dont dissapear ....
the particles do exist ..but they just dont appear as "billiard balls" ....they are most likely vibrating strings....erm ..string theory perhaps? :D
@sidewaysfcs0718 from what i heard, when you shrink at a size of a gluon, there will be a new dimension (not 3d anymore) and you can "see" the bizarre world of quantum mechanics and uncertainty principle.
I think when science and technology increase and advance we will see smaller and smaller particles in a atom....I'm waiting for what's inside a gluon! XD....
Our conception of it may be wrong but the math holds up. You want to go up to a particle physicist and say that his math is wrong? Look at the hydrogen bubble experiment for more on subatomic particles.
We already know that there is no such thing as Matter or Mass. These Materialist or particle physicist as you call them are wrong.
Let me tell you a secret about math. The starting point of math is VERY important. If the starting point is a wrong idea the math doesn't have to be wrong. Its like programing. The codes have to be right from the beginning. This is reflected on there "Big Bang Hypothesis" where they say the laws of physics don't apply yet until AFTER the Big Bang is done.
They didn't apply yet because the particles that obey those laws didn't exist yet. Once the miasma was complete and all material shot out from itself in all directions then the laws of physics began to take hold, because the particles started to form. We didn't create those laws, we just observe them. And you don't even have to ask a physicist if matter is real. Just ask anyone made out of matter.
But if they were a particle it would fill my mind with infinite wonder.
I watched I video about the theory that proves that if you take the space of one proton the quantum vacuum energy of it will be exactly the total mass of our universe. That paper won the Best Paper Award of CASYS 2009.
This video tell about that: Quantum Gravity Unification of Strong Nuclear Force by AlienScientist.
OK, gluons are virtual and their interaction is impossibly complicated (what gluons need a navcomputer to function?). Maybe they don't exist and scientist have made up a particle called the gluon to describe a force that is not yet understood...
Well lets put it this way: They are the particles carrying the field of the strong interaction. (Like a ball you and a friend are throwing at each other)...and in fact the underlying theory is generally accepted but there are still some unsolved problems with it. (As always^^) Nevertheless what is interesting is the fact that they not only carry the force but also obey their own force. Unlike photons (=light) which carry electromagn. interaction but do not have any electric charge.
What do you mean by "exist" anyway? Sth. exists if it is theoretically observable. (Therefore god does not exist by definition XD) So they do exist by definition.
The glue that holds Atoms together is light.Jesus Made all things and He holds all things together,because He is the light.Quarks are the particles or waves that obey no laws of physics,they all act as one,no matter how far away from each other.If you manipulate one quark,they all respond in like manner.Fascinating!
In fact they are discovered already some time ago as well as their feature of carrying color-charge. You should look up 3-Jet- and 4-Jet-events of quark interactions, which are vital experiments for the testing of their existence.
Actually, anything can be considered a Gluon Gun because all atoms contain gluons.
So Half-Life isn't wrong.
hexmeohdear 1 week ago
what i dont get abotu all these tiny particles is the following, how can it exist a be somethign with out mass??? thats what i dont get, every thing that exists must have a mass even if it is too small to measure
tiagandremo 4 months ago
thank you
slowmopoke 6 months ago
Im sorry...a particle with no mass?really?
Dogmaf2008 8 months ago
By Gluons being a virtual particle, doesn't that mean it's a mental contruct to describe particle interaction over distances? Or are they in fact another set of particles? If so why call them virtual particles, and simply not just another set of Particles.
Where does the "virtualness" come form.
dansharkhunter 8 months ago
all hail science
gellydrop 1 year ago
Half life ftw
mannomanngt 1 year ago
it is possiable to have a geometric shape with everything inside and yet nothing on the outside. Because the outside does not exist do to its shaped. A hyper cube is the first to hint at this theory. I believe hyper dimension and multi must exist which are apart of our universe. The outside is the inside in sum. The scale of everything could be on the order of U being our physical universe and everything we see. U to the power of 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 times 3.14.
silverpizza100 1 year ago
And just for you people who are open to understanding I will express the nature of all things real and imagined. The sum of all that will ever be. The nature of all is not with in the scope of a human mind but to express a concept this is general. The size of all things is finite yet infinant to us on our scale. There are many levels of matter, space, time, anything and everthing. Like a layered cake. This is wraped in on its self in some geometric shape that can not exist here but we are apart.
silverpizza100 1 year ago
YOu have no solid proof. In other words if this were a murder case; you would have failed to convince due to lack of evidence. This science is half baked and a way to sound smart. We live in an observable universe that consist's of matter. Not virtual matter. Quit wasting tax payer dollars and find a job that can sell something to China. They sell cell phones and computers , not pipe dreams. I know all of this and a lot more. I know the total of all things real and imagined.
silverpizza100 1 year ago
according to "the elegant universe", gluon are the reason why the proton and neutron are intact (gluon is strong force). so, in nuclear bombs, gluon are released and a massive energy comes. but what about e=mc^2 ??
MidnightRedemption 1 year ago
@MidnightRedemption You ask a very complicated question. The energy released in a nuclear bomb is binding energy. A proton and neutron united have about 2.2 MeV less mass/energy than they do when apart. This binding mass/energy is what gets released when a deuteron fuses together.
cassiopeiaproject 1 year ago
@MidnightRedemption (cont.) Since gluons provide the binding force and since gluons definitely contribute to the mass/energy of the deuteron, it is reasonable to conclude that the binding energy that is released in a nuclear reaction comes from the gluons -- at least in part.
cassiopeiaproject 1 year ago
@cassiopeiaproject thanks for clearing it for me!
and here i thought that GE and QM already had a connection :)
MidnightRedemption 1 year ago
@cassiopeiaproject not true.Gluons keep quarks together not nucleons. Pi mesons keep protons and neutrons together so it's more probably that energy comes from them during radioactive emission...
TheCrypto137 11 months ago
@TheCrypto137 The nucleon-nucleon attractive force mediated by mesons is an older idea that sort of works. The model since about the 1970's recognizes that mesons themselves are made up of quarks and gluons. When these mesons are exchanged -- the newer understanding shows, quarks and gluons are being exchanged with other quarks and gluons to form the nucleon-nucleon attractive force -- and gluons are the ultimate mediator of this force.
cassiopeiaproject 11 months ago
and thats why theres a shoop da whoop gun in half-life
rruudoo 2 years ago 7
Aw Half Life its a good game (Until Black Mesa: Source Comes Out)
PurpleAlien73 2 years ago 2
sidewaysfcs0718:
once you get that small, you get all kinds of weird things (string theory, wave particle duality...) besides we wont ever SEE a gluon. the visuals are made to satisfy the particles interactions.
for all we know they could be cubic, and simply interact like what we see here :P
Fr0s1Byte 2 years ago
IF a gluon is shaped like a string ..and itself is not made of smaller particles ..
does this mean its a continous entity?
cus i thought quantum mechanics rejects the idea of continuous....
i mean after all ..lets say hypothetically u could shricnk yourself to the size of a gluon ....what would u see? (even if u couldnt see it cus photons dont bounce off it) ..but for the sake of argument ..would it be like a solid circle?
i mean ..it has to be made of smaller stuff ...
sidewaysfcs0718 2 years ago
If you could shrink yourself to the size of a gluon, then you would find that you had become an energy vibration in eleven dimensions. I don't know how to help you visualize that because I can't visualize it myself. The equations for early string theory resemble the classical equations for oscillating strings -- thus the name. But today, points, surfaces, and membranes are part of the theory as well.
cassiopeiaproject 2 years ago
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RvNYC 2 years ago
@cassiopeiaproject "If you could shrink yourself to the size of a gluon, then you would find that you had become an energy vibration in eleven dimensions."
Isn't quantum mechanics completely separate from string theory and so should reject any string theory explanations?
TehOwnerer999 1 year ago
@sidewaysfcs0718
Wow sideways, I just asked a very similar question on the Graviton vid. Here's what I think. There are no gluons, gravitons, W- bosons, or virtual photons, because they're all virtual. None of these has ever been detected, just the secondary particles that are theorized to come out of these virtual ones. It is all theory, and successful theory I must admit, similar to Ptolemy's epicycles. You would see spinning magnetic fields, perhaps precessing/oscillating as well.
SuperMagnetizer 2 years ago
actually their existence is prooven throo particle accelerator collissions ...in wich they gain enough energy to satistfy the conservation of energy rule so they dont dissapear ....
the particles do exist ..but they just dont appear as "billiard balls" ....they are most likely vibrating strings....erm ..string theory perhaps? :D
sidewaysfcs0718 2 years ago
@sidewaysfcs0718 from what i heard, when you shrink at a size of a gluon, there will be a new dimension (not 3d anymore) and you can "see" the bizarre world of quantum mechanics and uncertainty principle.
MidnightRedemption 1 year ago
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benry200 2 years ago
wtf
benry200 2 years ago
Can you make a gun that fire gluons?
Called the gluon gun?
lol
ramirostryker2 2 years ago
lol i gets it
khaos124 2 years ago
You've been playing too much Half-Life
ervin2 2 years ago
You can NOT play Half-Life TOO much. Plain impossible, simple physics.
TheCrusaderBin 2 years ago 5
True.
ervin2 2 years ago
WHAT HE SAID!!
supasata 2 years ago
Gluon isn't from Half-Life.
Jimmg2point0 2 years ago
The gluon gun is.
ervin2 2 years ago
...huh?
ForerunnerLuke 2 years ago
I think when science and technology increase and advance we will see smaller and smaller particles in a atom....I'm waiting for what's inside a gluon! XD....
PhillipThunderGrunge 2 years ago 2
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MacManLtd 2 years ago
its like zooming in on a fractal it seems. infinite zoom possible ;p
logoth80 2 years ago
I think this is all bullshit. You can't possibly have proof for any of this stuff.
wavepsychic 2 years ago
Yes you can. ^^
VannevarBush 2 years ago
Our conception of it may be wrong but the math holds up. You want to go up to a particle physicist and say that his math is wrong? Look at the hydrogen bubble experiment for more on subatomic particles.
D0g63rt 2 years ago
We already know that there is no such thing as Matter or Mass. These Materialist or particle physicist as you call them are wrong.
Let me tell you a secret about math. The starting point of math is VERY important. If the starting point is a wrong idea the math doesn't have to be wrong. Its like programing. The codes have to be right from the beginning. This is reflected on there "Big Bang Hypothesis" where they say the laws of physics don't apply yet until AFTER the Big Bang is done.
wavepsychic 2 years ago
They didn't apply yet because the particles that obey those laws didn't exist yet. Once the miasma was complete and all material shot out from itself in all directions then the laws of physics began to take hold, because the particles started to form. We didn't create those laws, we just observe them. And you don't even have to ask a physicist if matter is real. Just ask anyone made out of matter.
D0g63rt 2 years ago 2
Is it possible that there may be a better explanation for what holds protons together?
dopplerdog2000 2 years ago
It is always possible that color-charge and quark theory will be refined, but it seems very likely that it is correct for the most part.
cassiopeiaproject 2 years ago
I think gluons are a force.
But if they were a particle it would fill my mind with infinite wonder.
I watched I video about the theory that proves that if you take the space of one proton the quantum vacuum energy of it will be exactly the total mass of our universe. That paper won the Best Paper Award of CASYS 2009.
This video tell about that: Quantum Gravity Unification of Strong Nuclear Force by AlienScientist.
sonnydey 2 years ago
Is it wave-particle duality?
tommy9882 2 years ago
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RvNYC 2 years ago
OK, gluons are virtual and their interaction is impossibly complicated (what gluons need a navcomputer to function?). Maybe they don't exist and scientist have made up a particle called the gluon to describe a force that is not yet understood...
ewmegoolies 2 years ago 2
Well lets put it this way: They are the particles carrying the field of the strong interaction. (Like a ball you and a friend are throwing at each other)...and in fact the underlying theory is generally accepted but there are still some unsolved problems with it. (As always^^) Nevertheless what is interesting is the fact that they not only carry the force but also obey their own force. Unlike photons (=light) which carry electromagn. interaction but do not have any electric charge.
VannevarBush 2 years ago
OK thanks!
ewmegoolies 2 years ago
Gluons don't exist,they are imaginary.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
As is the square root of minus one.
cassiopeiaproject 2 years ago
What do you mean by "exist" anyway? Sth. exists if it is theoretically observable. (Therefore god does not exist by definition XD) So they do exist by definition.
VannevarBush 2 years ago
The glue that holds Atoms together is light.Jesus Made all things and He holds all things together,because He is the light.Quarks are the particles or waves that obey no laws of physics,they all act as one,no matter how far away from each other.If you manipulate one quark,they all respond in like manner.Fascinating!
CBALLEN 2 years ago
"they all act as one,no matter how far away from each other" so what about confinement and asymptotic freedom.
VannevarBush 2 years ago
I thought that gluons were discovered to be not real...
Abengoshis 2 years ago
No, they continue to be a respected element of the Standard Model.
cassiopeiaproject 2 years ago
Oh ok thanks :)
Abengoshis 2 years ago
@Abengoshis
In fact they are discovered already some time ago as well as their feature of carrying color-charge. You should look up 3-Jet- and 4-Jet-events of quark interactions, which are vital experiments for the testing of their existence.
VannevarBush 1 year ago
interesting!
faerie130 3 years ago 2
I would like some images
gerar1995 3 years ago