I've got the answer to all that "hearsay" black ink on white paper. "God" is a figment of the imagination.
Religion - all religion is hearsay, and perpetrates deception. Is use to construct and invent a fabrication on mental consciousness, which has served to corrupt, and has been used to suppress civilization, to stagnate knowledge, and to steal the Peoples “REASONING MIND”
You continually argue that nowhere in the bible does it say God is 3 persons, those "exact words". I want you to show me in the bible where calls God "one person". Not "only one God" cause trinitarians agree. But "one person". You won't find it ANYWHERE!
You skip from "all the fullness of the godhead" to "all the fullness of God." Perhaps the question revolves around what is meant by "godhead" and whether it is different from "God." For that you would have to go to the Greek, and I'm guessing there is a technical meaning involved that comes from Greek thought. I'm not a Chriistian, so I don't really have a dog in t his fight, but I do think that texts have to be interpreted carefully, and that the exact word used can make a big difference./
WRONG. Exodus 24:9-10 proves that YAHWEH Himself has His own Body to walk with, Therefore, Yahweh is not solely spirit. Besides, Jesus is a son of Almighty God just as ALL of the males on this Earth are sons of Yahweh. There's no mystery nor secret about IT. We all are created in the LIKENESS of Yahweh, which consist of Body-soul AND spirit, not only Spirit.
Furthermore, JESUS is not mentioned whatsoever in Exodus 24:9-10. Nay! Gain wisdom & understand that Yahweh has FEET AND a Heavenly BODY.
uh.... one question. I agree that all the fullness of deity dwells in Jesus. Is it your position that the Father is not fully God? or the Holy Spirit is not fully God? Was Jesus just one "mode" or "maske" that God wore? Who was he speaking to when he gave his high priestly prayer? Sir, God is triune, God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Three persons, one being
Jesus did not tell people that he was one of the WHO"S, He told them who he was which is the WHAT.I don't think you understand Hank Hanegraaff"s explanation of the Trinity when it comes to the statement,"One What and Three Who's".BTW Im not a big fan of James White either.In fact I oppose Calvinism totally, but I think on this issue you lack understanding.Jesus spoke of the Father and of the Helper(Holy Spirit).Father,Jesus,and Holy Spirit makes three.3 x 1 not 1 + 1 + 1...God Bless...
@saint6045 totally and completely owned...I don't know why anyone would challenge James White to debate; it like saying, "Sure I'll look like a fool."
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these THREE are ONE. (1Jo 5:7 KJV) And HE came and took the book out of the right hand of HIM that sat upon the throne. (Rev 5:7 KJV)
And God [elohiym] said, Let US make man in OUR image (Gen 1:26 KJV)
I dont play any "who and what" games. Why do you refer to James White as the authority on trinitarianism? He isn't my authority on the subject.
"And JESUS, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the SPIRIT OF GOD descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo A VOICE FROM HEAVEN, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
That's quite the shadow dance for one person.
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in THE NAME
[singular--One God]
...of THE Father, and of THE Son, and of THE Holy Ghost
@theGroveMan Don't even go there with the religious crap. You don't even know what religion means. DesiDaimonia is the Greek word for religion. Meaning dread-demonisn / dread-teach. These have the same root in Greek which is fear.
@theGroveMan Evolution is at best a hypothesis, not a theory. If evolution were a fact, then there wouldn't be so much that disputes it. See NephilimFree channel. There you will find PLENTY of info that disputes the evolution hypothesis.
It has been scrutinized for 150 years? That's all?
"I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." John 5:30. What does this verse mean? It seems to me that the Father sent him and that he is submitting to the will of the father.
Was Constantine a baptized Catholic when he adopted this pagan-belief (Trinity) and forced it into the Catholic followers throats with their swords, spears, bows & arrows?
Protestants left Catholicisms with that same Trinity belief & today, Protestants like you Dr. are trying to explain it with your own twists, spins & turns using the scriptures. Jesus did what His Father told Him & approved of...meaning all the glories go to His Father who sent Him to the world & not for Himself
Didn't Jesus say if you SEEN ME YOU SEEN THE FATHER?? Did Jesus say I AM? Revelation 22:13 So Jesus IS GOD, Yet he isn't by saying he is separate?? WHAT?
AND GOD IS SPIRIT. Not person. How can Jesus BE God at the same time BEING God? He is omnipresent.
Evolution is at best a hypothesis, not a theory. Likewise, the doctrine of the trinity is at best a hypothesis, for it has not advanced with any Scriptural proofs which could elevate the trinity conjecture to even a theory. I'm not even gonna begin to reveal other things that God has shown me if this simple truth can't be received So an answer to you Q. Yes the word DOES say God is 1. Deut 6:4.
Do you not think it strange that the most spiritual and fundamental doctrine of all Christianity does not even qualify for the status of theory let alone doctrinal truth? Amazing. So the trinity is called a hypothesis--a human invention of speculations, conjectures, guesses, theories, imaginings, and assumptions of something that is not understood. Try taking that to the bank.
The existence of a trinity is admittedly not demonstrable by logic or scriptural proof, however, it is called a "necessary hypothesis." Websters Dictionary, hypothesis, A system or theory imagined or assumed to account for what is not understood. An unproved theory. theory, a speculative plan... a formulation of underlying principles of certain observed phenomena which has been verified to some degree... a conjecture; guess.....
nowhere in the Scriptures is God referred to or called a "trinity." the word "three" is never used in reference to Who or What God is. God is never called or referred to as "a person."
Lets see if my thousand page Hastings Dictionary of the Bible can help us.
Page 1015: TRINITY--The Christian doctrine of God as existing in three Persons and one Substance IS NOT DEMONSTRABLE BY LOGIC or SCRIPTURAL PROOF..."
Didn't Jesus say if you seem me you seen the Father??Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: Why do you worship 3 when the word says he is 1? Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. "The word WAS GOD! hello? Does Jesus LITERALLY sit(as we sit) on the right side of God? If God is spirit, omnipresent, then how will you be able to show me the right side of omnipresent? "The right hand of God" Does a spirit have a physical hand?
For ex: Jesus speaks to the Pharisees in Jn 8:16-18 Jesus says in 16 "& yet if I judge, MY judgment is true, for I am not alone, BUT I & THE FATHER that SENT ME." 17"It is written in ur law, that the testimony of TWO MEN is true." 18"I AM ONE that bear witness of MYSELF, & THE FATHER that SENT ME bares witness." Jesus CLEARLY makes the distinction between him & the Father. You reject the grammer! cont..
Col 2:9 isnt difficult. Ur misunderstanding the meaning sir.
Col 2:9 is showing that all the fullness of what it takes to be God, is in Christ Jesus! All this vs is show is that Christ has all the Deity in Him. Not that he's the on PERSON in the Godhead. In Him "DWELLS ALL THE FULLNESS"(All the Deity). This proves that he is 100% God, which is EXACTLY what trinintarians believe...
Jesus is God YET he is separate? Listen to what your saying. The truth of the oneness is the oldest truth's that God has revealed to me. It is child's play.
Do you worship Jesus? Why? Didn't God say that he will not give his glory to another? Does Mt 28:19 say to baptize in the N-A-M-E? not names? SINGULAR!?! Didn't Jesus say "I AM"?!? Are you a father, a son, uncle? Now are you going to tell me you are separate persons because you play all these rolls?
if God was 3 persons then it would say God is 3 persons. but it don't. God plays 3 OFFICES/ ROLLS. IN 1 BEING. The scriptures makes it very clear GOD IS ONE.
Using ur logic "Why doesnt the bible say God plays 3 Offices/ Rolls. But it dont." - You see, ur arguing from silence. It could "not" say it 500 times, but the concept is ABSOLUTELY there!
Does your bible SAY God is 3?? NO It's documented from Genesis to Revelation God is ONE. not 3. What will God do if you accept him as 3? He will reprove you. Job 13:6-10. Jesus is NOT IN THE GODHEAD, the goodhead is in Christ Col 2:9. How about Isa 9:6 says that a child is born and will be called the MIGHT GOD. Are you telling me Jesus ISN'T God when Isa says otherwise? Is the 1 verse that says God is 3? A MANIFESTATION IS NOT A SEPARATE BEING.
Your setting up a strawman. I completely agree God is ONE! Your ASSUMING that means in person. There is a HUGE difference between Gods being, & Gods personhood. Is there a verse that states God is one PERSON? You also believe in a triune God, just not in person but in personality. Jesus NEVER said he is the Father. You reject the grammer Jesus uses DEMANDING that he is seperate in person from the Father. cont...
I WISH I HAD TIME TO GO THRU EVERY TRINITARIAN QUESTION HERE AND ANSWER EVERY 1 ,,,CAUSE THEY R SOME UNSCRIPTURAL AND DUMB,, IT SHOWS LOTS OF U DONT KNOW SCRIPTURE,
,I DONT KNOW BOUT U , BUT WHEN I GOT IN CHURCH I STUDIED CAUSE I WANTED TO SEE IF THE PREACHER I SAT UNDER WAS TAKEN ME TO HEAVEN OR SENDING ME TO HELL! WAKE UP U KNUCKLEHEAD TRINITARIANS!! IN LOVE OF COURSE!!
WAKE UP N STUDY THE BOOK ,,LEST U PERISH !!
(Hosea 4:6 KJV) "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge
I'm sure Genesis 1:26 is often on this topic...I'm new to the topic...so can you explain from a non-trinitarian view the "us" and "our" image statements.
Also...if there is not three persons in the Godhead then who is The Father, who is The Son, and who is The Holy Spirit?
ixthustruth- God has ABSOLUTELY revealed himself in 3 persons. Notice how the trinitarian position can explain the vs's saying "let US" "in OUR" oneness doctrine comes up w/out a sufficient answer. To come up with oneness doctrine, youd have to ignore all the language & grammer. Take John 17:5. COMPLETELY shows the Father & Son seperate in person. Sharing their glory. The grammer DEMANDS that!! They have to interprite it to mean something other than what it says. I love em, but their wrong...
Jesus was the fullness of the Godhead manifested in the flesh<<<THE VERY FATHER OF CREATION BECOMING LOWLY FLESH
(Isa 9:6 KJV) "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
Colossians 2:9-12 (King James Version) 9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Wow I did not know this wow thank GOD for this video and guy
What is really so DREADFULL, about the whole theme of Christian Theology, is the fact that, for those familiair with the history of Humanity, it is much of a "Deja vu" for Paganism; hence a far cry for Monotheism.
The Modalist's God Has three different names but is only on person? Jesus then prays to himself? No, surely not. The Modalist thinks he has God all figured out when the Bible states clearly that He is like no other on earth! look at the resurrection:Jesus said He would raise himself up, The Spirit raisd him, and the Father raised the Son. Also says "GOD raised Jesus from the dead". Great view of the trininty. God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit! So perfectly harmonious!
The Spirit within Jesus is the same Spirit He is prayin to.The only reason He has to pray is because He is in the weakness of the flesh, the battles in the flesh are :lust of flesh ,lust of eyes ,pride of life, He has to battle against flesh because He is now flesh ,If Jesus had sinned in the flesh That would have disquallified Him as Saviour. this is why Jesus prayed cause He was battling, though His Spirit is still everywhere being the creator ,FATHER
what you then have to answer is "who" was the "us" in Genesis just before man was created.
Jesus did say he was the Son of God..its why he was murdered.
Jesus is the Word..and the Word was with God and the Word was God..you will have to answer this as well. For the Word to be with God and to be God is very interesting
(Gen 1:26 KJV) "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,... MAN R U A TRINITY? LOOK @ VERSE 27
(Gen 1:27 KJV) "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."
U R N GODS IMAGE AINT U???
WHERES THE OTHER 2 OF U???
TRINITY DOCTRINE IS SOOO DUMB,,
I CANT BELIEVE ANYBODY IS SO GULLIBLE TO BELIEVE IT
NO THEY MURDERED HIM CAUSE HE SAID HE WAS GOD,,,THEY THOUGHT HE BLASPHEMED WHICH HAD THE MURDER SENTENCE
(John 10:33 KJV) "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."
DUDE U REALLY NEED TO STUDY MAN ,QUIT LISTENIN TO LAMEBRAINS
THEY R GONNA SEND U TO HELL WITH THEIR DUMB FALSE DOCTRINES
ILL EVEN BET U THINK THE ANIMALS WENT INTO THE ARK BY 2'S RIGHT? WRONG ANSWER ,STUDY MAN ,ITS 4 UR SOUL
I guess the trinity folks think these three being are playing musical chairs in heaven. LOL or they are sitting each others lap. LOL. By the way John said 1 sat upon the throne. not 3
When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven and said, "Father... this is eternal life, that they know thee THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. - John 17:1-3
There is only one True God and Father of All. For there is ONE GOD, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus - 1 Tim 2:5
there is 1, who sits upon this throne? JESUS! THE FATHER MADE VISIBLE IN THE SON
Mar 10:36 And he said unto them, What would ye that I should do for you?
Mar 10:37 They said unto him, Grant unto us that we may sit, one on thy right hand, and the other on thy left hand, in thy glory
see also - mark 14:62 /mat 26:64 it's a hebraism. You can't have someone on your left AND right if you are to someone elses right already, there is one throne jesus is on.
No matter what is said about him(pbh), so long as you admit that he(pbh) was a human, no further thing can be added to his person, which will equate him(pbh) with the LORD of the worlds. It is absurd and very FUTILE, mind set.
The CREATOR(Unique in His Uniqueness), is undescribeable, undefinable in terms of Substance or space time factor. Whilst Issa(pbh) was truly a human being, who went through all the normal BIOLOGICAL procedures of procreation: Futoe, nine month pregnancy, childhood..etc
When associating Issa(pbh) with OUR CREATOR(most high), it show how forgetful you have been about your own HUMAN CONDITION. What not sit down and PONDER UPON YOURSELF(fully) and then think ABOUT the greatest of our UNIVERSE and then THINK ABOUT the ONE WHO CREATED THAN.
The moment you state that Issa(pbh) is fully HUMAN BEING, then obviously he can not be the CREATOR. We human beings are very LOW and we come from a VERY VERY LOW STATION. No matter whatever is said about him(pbh),...
From the REAL world, a world without FANATASIES, where BEDTIME stories are kept for bedtimes and for Children ONLY. You should start growing out of this ABSURD Issa(pbh) business.
Exd 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Why do you ignore this part of your Scriptures and the many MORE......?
@KingJamesVideoMan He is Mulim just so you know. Issa is the name of Jesus in Islam. They believe that God cannot enter into His own creation because in the Quar'an it says that God is not begotten, nor can He beget. This is a different God from the One, True God, our God.
"...We have all we need in Issa(pbh) ..." is completely different of issa(pbh) having the fullness of the Mighty Creator in him(pbh).
Neither you nor the TRINITARIAN got it RIGHT. All of you have come up with your won way to try to DIFINE and CONTAIN, the MIGHTY CREATOR. In fact you have started quite well by stating that "...you don't know whoever he is, or whatever HE is..." this enough of statement to strike a line between Issa(pbh) and THE ONE(most high) WHO SENT HIM
John 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
Matt 28:18-20 "And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.
The plural* we * does not make Jesus anohter person of God you pompously inserted it into the text, it is not God the son saying *we* but rather Jesus when he said *we* was not yet glorified and still in his humanity The one person incarnated by God the father.Even if we spertated the son from the incarnation we still do not have two persons of God but real humanity(Son) and real divinity(God) the father. 1 person in the incarnation
You are assuming the word/Logos was (Jesus) and it is contradictory to do so! (Psalm 33:6 )tells us what the word was and it sure does not tell us it was a pre-existent god the son.
By the word of the LORD were the heavens made and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth(The Septuagint) Is this read John 1:1? in the beginning was god the son and god the son was with the father and god the son was the father. the trinitarian view is silly. The word was God's plan for salvation.
the word/plan was only Jesus when that plan came to fruition and was made flesh. it was not a pre-existent Jesus. the days of his flesh is in contrast to the days of his pre-existent spirit which was God the father. I can show you God the father was in the son but you cannot show God the son was in the son that is silly anyhow
miculwell, even though I agree with you on Jesus' identity as the Father, you are wrong about this definition of "The Word" in John 1:1. I have done a video on it and wrote an article on it, but suffice it to say that the Word means "the life of God." 1 John 1:2 says that this "Word" was with the father because it said the life was with the Father, therefore defining the Word in John 1:1 that was WITH God. 1 John 1:1-3 also called this life "The Word" capital W. Your "plan" is not scriptural.
I believe it is scriptural Brother, Because Paul used the Term in (2nd. Tim.2:17) and uses the term word for two individuals evil plan.I know very well the scriptures you gave from (1st. John 1:1-3 ) use it all the time.(Psalm 33:6 The Word )tells us what the word was. here was nobody to give eternal life too...God Bless!
In verse 24 of the same context of the same chapter it says; the disciples were going to behold his glory he had with the father. That glory he had with the father was his passsion in the plan of God(Rev. 13:8) The word we find the meaning In Psalm 33:6 and it comes from the breath of God's mouth.The day you can make that a person is the day you will have anargument.( Logos Psalm 33:6 Septuagint)
Jesus Said: the father in me he doeth the works(John 14:10)Show me a passage that says God the son was incarnated there is none the word was no a distinct person of God. The word was exactly that. The word.
Psalm 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.. The day you can make the word by the breath of your mouth another person of God is the day you will have an argument from John 1:1
You means stop quoting scriptures. The Bible says that "the Word" who was with God from the beginning became flesh. If you think that is a ignorant argument, then you don't like what the Bible says.
Hello, if Jesus was "given the Spirit of the Father," that means that Jesus CAN'T be the Father. Your view would mean that the Father is giving the Father the Spirit.
This shows your ignorance of Oneness doctrine and scripture we refer to Jesus as the father because of the divine spirit given him we also realize the father existed before the son.
Romans 5:14 Adam who was the figure of HIM THAT WAS TO COME.
True, John also says that it was the Son of God would was manifested (1 John 3:8)
1Jn 3:8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.
It was the Son of God who was manifested 1 Jn 3:8; 1 Tim 3:16. It was Jesus Christ who had come in the flesh 1 Jn 4:2... Jesus Christ is the Son of God 1Jn 4:15.
Dwelleth means continuation or continues to dwell and ye is you for you Westcott and Hort Crowd which Westcott has red line under it also. but we know what you are trying to do which is Bias folks and make them feel stupid for not using your self contradictory texts and versions.I am no KJV but it is the best we have and there is nothing out there better.
I´m inviting everybody to make his own research in Bible. I made one, and I found more than 501 texts-sentenses in NT where Jesus recognizes the difference between He and his Father, or the apostles make this same difference. Just in NT more than 501. For me that is enough, I hope the same for everybody. NT never says what oneness strongly affirm, something like Jesus is the Father, or that Jesus was praying to himself, remember, more than 501, make your own research, you will find it. GBY
This shows your ignornace of Oneness and how you believe the lies from your lying preachers and thier false apologeticc works. Do you think we do not see those personal pronouns get a clue and then use some better arguemnts that do not make you look like you are a preacher worshipper.
Your words shows your ignorance of what respect and grammar is. and shows how you believe the lies from your lying preachers and their false apologetic works. I can see you don´t respect grammar. Get a clue and then use some better words that don´t make you look like you are a preacher worshipper. and God bless you, believer in Christ. I love all my brothers and sisters that believe as Bible says.
because your words are ugly. You use "ignorance" "lies" "lying preachers" "false apologetic works", etc. I could use the same for you, but it looks I´m more educated person than you. Though I believe my salvation is sure in Jesuschrist you just try to offend and discredit true believers in JesusChrist. I think you should read again the letters of Jhon, you know, 1, 2 and 3.
And another thing. If Jesus is our advocate who pleads our case before the Father, then what in the world is going on? We have a contradiction here. How can Jesus be talking to the Father about my sins, and all the while have the Holy Spirit inside of me, cleansing me everyday to become the righteousness of Christ, and Jesus be the only working force in my life? You my friend are simply lost in your belief.
Jesus does not persoanlly plead our case before God the father it is his slain humnaity that does that once for all if that were the case then he would be doing nothing but, you people are precious with your childish ignornace of scripture and then believing the contradictory doctrine of the trinity further strengthens your ignorance of scripture.
I don't understand what you're trying to get at. In Christ alone are we redeemed. The Holy Spirit was sent to us as the Comforter, sent by Jesus Himself, so that we might be given power and authority. The Father is obviously referenced multiple times within the NT, such as the time Jesus was baptized and the Father said, "This is my Son, in whom I am well pleased." A worthy note concerning this would also be to reference the fact that the Holy Spirit came in the form of a Dove to anoint Jesus.
Jesus is the comforter I(JESUS) WILL NOT LEAVE YOU COMFORTLESS,I (JESUS) WILL COME TO YOU. HE SIMPLY PAID THE PRICE THROUGH HIS SLAIN HUMAAITY FOR US TO HAVE IT. FOR THE HOLY GHOST WAS NOT YET GIVEN FOR JESUS WAS NOT YET GLORIFIED(JOHN 7:38-39)the Lord is that spirit.(2nd Cor. 2:17) what Lord? Jesus was made both Lord and Christ(Acts 2:36) Jesus was made the Life giving Spirit(1st. Cor. 15:45-47) there are no bounds to trinitarain ignornace of scripture.
Jesus said this before His was crucified. Did Jesus reappear before His ascension? The answer is yes He did. This means He did return to them and not leave them comfortless, and after he left, the Holy Spirit was sent.
To begin, I did not "just identified Jesus as the comforter." If you are going to start a conversation with dishonesty there isn't a need to go any further. I will only respond to those who don't start a conversation with a lie.
Ya, I think I'll stick with James White's orthodox view instead of your..., I'm sorry who are you?
God IS three who's in one what. The triadic concept of God is biblical. Trinitarians (biblical Christians) out number modalists by an innumerable amount. Go listen to your phony TD Jakes.
Your video is not only heretical but horribly dull and opinionated instead of biblical. Seminarian? huh?
Jesus was outnumbered a thousand to 1. A very small portion of the earth knew who he was...and of those who met him, most did not know really WHO he was. And so it is today...it is always the few and not the many. Elvis was more popular than Mr. White...maybe we should take his doctrine.
3 persons as 1 God is heathenism. The apostles followed the Son of God, not God the son.
Correct, but the Sadducees and Pharasees were theologians and they were called.....
My point is that you cannot debate revelation to someone...it has to be revealed to them by God (as Peter was given the Revelation of who Jesus was). God wants us to know him by vitue of faith and not intellect. Peter couldn't read his own name...and wrote by inspiration. So ought we to read what he said by inspiration and not by theological intellect. Jesus gave Peter the keys because of his 'revelation'.
Good one, attributeofGod. Truth is equated with popularity, orthodoxy, TV, anything but scripture. The majority is almost always wrong in scripture and life.
KJVMan I DO love your videos...you said "Christian Seminarian Nonesense"!!! LOL Too funny. And for a minute there I felt like I was back in "Who-ville" with all those whos! LoL Ok Ok I'm done. However I think you would address Dr. White FAR better than that Sabin brother in those debates I saw on youtube! I was VERY disappointed....
Keep up the good work and ALWAYS make sure it is done in the name of the Lord Jesus (with a pure heart). Bless!
The us again refers to the church not random individuals. according to his good pleasure does not mean "randomly" throwinf one and choosing another. still, ridiculous doctrine!
so mlculwell, do you mean the "church" as in its walls and ceiling? Of course not. You mean the "us" is the church as in the collected individuals who make up the body of Christ, correct??
The "Hypostatic Union" is a ridiculous contradiction of scripture and makes Jesus according to your version of the incarnation a hybrid. You make Jesus humanity a *nature only* to accamodate another inherent side contradiction that the joining of God and man is only One person instead of two because *God the son* was in the human son. Thus God the son was both a nature and a person but the humanity was relagated to an nature only(a nature is not a real person)100% of neither!
mculwell, I was just watching a bit of your video here and something hit me. You keep saying the Lord is Jesus Christ. It sounds like you are saying we are ONLY to worship Christ. DO you not believe in God the Father, do you not pray TO God the Father, In Jesus name?? I am curious to understand your biblical eisegesis here. thanks.
You know what, mlculwell. Forgive me, I thought this was your video! I just realized you are just making comments on the video. Oops. Gods keeps me humble. lol
No man cometh unto the Father but by me (Jesus). You can't pray to the Father unless you go to the Father in the flesh, Jesus Christ. God is not a mediator of one, but God is one. It seems as if no one prays to Jesus Christ. Jesus said no man can even go to the Father without coming to him. Jesus is not just some pit stop to the Father. You cannot bypass Jesus Christ. You must pray to him. You can't bypass the mediator. Even if you believe the Father is a separate person, you can't bypass Jesus.
It is very easy to debate Dr. White. Just send him an email requesting time to debate him on his web cast on either Tuesday or Thursday on most weeks. He will set aside time for a debate, I can assure you.
One caution - you will have to be disciplined and scholarly. He will treat you with great courtesy, but if you lose your cool or become unprofessional, he will hang up on you.
Most people do not have the mental and emotional discipline to debate him. They usually get mad and flame out.
He(James White) must assume all the fullness of diety is "God the son" there is no such thing in scripture, "the son of God", refers to Jesus humanity, the Diety is God the father, ie. the father that dwell-eth(contnues to dwell) in me( real Humanity) he(God the father in me and not God the son) doeth the works. (John 14:10) because, I can of Mine own (Human son self) can do nothing. (John 5:30)
mlculwell, with all due respect, Dr White has done more than sixty public debates. To say he is scared of you is slightly comical. Put your bible where your mouth is and call into his Dividing line program. If you have heard any of his debates, you would know that he knows scripture. So if he does hang up on you, its only because of rudeness, which I am sure you would NOT be. Being a good Christian guy and all, I am sure you would be gentlemanly, right?
I have called his dividing line program twice! He hung up on me because he could'nt take me pointing out his absurdidties nor would he let me.Oh, the rudeness is ploy to claim "unchristainess" I knew he would not allow me to speak, I have been on programs like that since 1986 and get the same thing from you people. You don't want anyone to hear your absurdidities or for them to be pointed out.
mlculwell, are you aware you "sound" like a very angry person. The same with Texxe Mars and Gail Riplinger. All you KJO folks get upset very easily. I love my fellow Christians even if they believe different than me. Why the anger sir? I'm sure I was not listening to the program when you called in, but I bet he gave you enough time to talk and then you got upset about "your version" of Calvinism. I can tell you for sure that you do not understand the biblical definition of Calvinism.
I hate False doctrine, I am angtry at false doctrine, It is called righteous indignition I would do anything for you,I am not angry at you!I would especially try to help you away from the trinity and Calvinism. All five points are false.
I had a debate recently with a Roman Catholic who called Calvinism heresy as you do. When I asked him for a topic to debate, he couldnt even name one of the five points. He mentioned Sola Scriptura, which is of the Reformation, not Calvinism itself! So, I must ask you, do you know the five points you so despise? WHat are they?
Scribe, that's very correct. I personally do not even like the wording of the Tulip... Like "total depravity" and "Limited atonement". We are NOT totally depraved..but we ARE dead in our sins! Romans 5:12, and I much prefer the name "particular" atonement, as God had a particular people in mind to save! Is.53, Math. 1, Eph.1, 1 Peter 1. Of course, I dont know where you stand on this issue, but Im sure you will tell me! God bless.
hey mlculwell, great job with the tulip! lol I love reformed theology because I believe it is the true gospel of Christ, and I am happy to back this assertion up with scripture! So you dont even believe that you are eternally secure in Christ?? Thats so sad. My God saves perfectly! Jesus came down to earth to do the will of the Father. And what is the will of the Father? That of all The Father has given Him, He loses Nothing..but raise it up at the last day! John 6:37-44
Of course I believe I am *eternally secure in Christ* but not like you! Because after all, there is that nasty little doctrine of *blaspheming the holy Ghost*( you have to have the Holy Ghost to blaspheme.)I know you don't have it for sure, so cannot blaspheme something you do not know.
John 6:44 Let's see? what you are trying to say is;No man can come to me (Jesus) unless the father (God) somehow(has preordained individuals to heaven or hell) Verse 45 tells how that drawing takes place and that is through the preaching of the word. That is the method God pre-ordained in drawing.
mlculwell, you say, "what you are trying to say is". I am quoting scripture. So its what The Holy Spirit has said through the Authors, not me. Anyways, you say preaching is how the drawing takes place, and that is what is pre-destined? Your explanation is confusing. Eph. 1:3-6 says he predestined us according to His will, and for His glory BEFORE the foundation of the world. What is predestined is "us", the Elect, or the Chosen, NOT preaching! Am I misunderstanding you?
"Predestined us" refers to the church, the Body of Christ, the Body is predestined to Glory before the foundation of the world, not just individuals! Individuals make up the body, but the Body is collective, as long as you are in the Body. His will and drawing is preformed through preaching the word not by some random silly choosing.
Well, you are on the right track here at least. Yes, we who were predestined are the "church", the "body of Christ"! Do you know that the Greek word for church comes from the SAME word for the "Elect". But I take issue with you that this is some "random, silly" choosing. Those are your words Manuel, not mine, and certainly not the bible's! Eph. 1:4-6. Read it again. He chose us in Him Before the foundation of the world.....According to His good pleasure! This is not random choosing.
Thank you wuebbsco!That is the most simplistic best way I could do it as I could not find any of the doctrines in scripture. Weubbsco, when are you going to answer the contradiction of your trinity doctrine.
I have 3 of your comments to answer mlculwell, so bear with me. I love you as a brother in Christ, but I believe you understanding of the context of scripture is horrendous! I know you believe the same of me. Your very question is based on a false presupposition..but I will do what I can. About John 17? I believe you said he was praying to himself? His human nature praying to his God nature or something? What about Coloss. 3:1...Christ is seated at the right hand of...Himself?
You never recieved a comment from me where "I said he was praying to himself!" If you did you need to show proof that I said such a silly thing? I believe Jesus as a real human man was in subjection to his God and prayed to his real God who is and was spirit that was both in him w/o measure9John 3:34) and in heaven.
mlcuwell, I am not above apologizing when I am wrong. I think it may have been Kingjames video man that said that...Someone said it, but I see it wasnt you...forgive me. However, here you say that Jesus is praying to "his real God". Um, If Jesus is God the Father in the flesh...who else would he be praying to other than himself. He would not be praying to another God...that would make him polytheistic. He is obviously praying to someone that is NOT himself though! Follow the pronouns.
Wuebbsco, I appreciate your honesty!"The incarnation" is God in man(God was in Christ reconcilling the world unto himself 2nd Cor. 5:19)It was God the father in Jesus, incarnte in the son.(The father in me, he doeth the works John 14:10) God is the father, the son is flesh.Please show me where the son was incarnate in the son?I follow pronouns what those pronouns do not teach are plural persons of God but One God and One man. Like the sesame street song says one of these things are not like...
ok mlculwell, 2 things. First, you say, "please show me where the Son was incarnate in the Son?" If you mean where the Son came down and became flesh, I give you John 1:1,14 and Phil 2:5-11. Second, you say the pronouns do not teach a plurality of persons in John 17. verses 5-6... "Now Father, glorify ME together with YOURSELF, with the glory which I had with YOU before the world was...they were YOURS and YOU gave them to ME." You say its One God and One man. yea, the man who is the Word!
This has been flagged as spam show
In him the fullness of deity of God rest in Him bodiely
yizzod1 1 month ago
This has been flagged as spam show
They actually have a debate with this guy with a triniterian.
yizzod1 1 month ago
Swing and a miss. Strike one.
metanoeo1 2 months ago
James White will murder u.....ur on the surface of the text!
I21GenieLee 2 months ago
HEAVEN AND HELL IS HERE ON EARTH! I SEE DEVILS AND ANGELS EVERYDAY. THEY'RE PEOPLE THAT ARE AROUND US EVERY DAY!
nonassumsit 3 months ago
I've got the answer to all that "hearsay" black ink on white paper. "God" is a figment of the imagination.
Religion - all religion is hearsay, and perpetrates deception. Is use to construct and invent a fabrication on mental consciousness, which has served to corrupt, and has been used to suppress civilization, to stagnate knowledge, and to steal the Peoples “REASONING MIND”
nonassumsit 3 months ago
Comment removed
metanoeo1 2 months ago
@nonassumsit What is your evidence that the Bible is hearsay? Give some documentation to back up your statement, otherwise it's just your opinion.
metanoeo1 2 months ago
You continually argue that nowhere in the bible does it say God is 3 persons, those "exact words". I want you to show me in the bible where calls God "one person". Not "only one God" cause trinitarians agree. But "one person". You won't find it ANYWHERE!
djvdiddy 4 months ago
You skip from "all the fullness of the godhead" to "all the fullness of God." Perhaps the question revolves around what is meant by "godhead" and whether it is different from "God." For that you would have to go to the Greek, and I'm guessing there is a technical meaning involved that comes from Greek thought. I'm not a Chriistian, so I don't really have a dog in t his fight, but I do think that texts have to be interpreted carefully, and that the exact word used can make a big difference./
Naiant 10 months ago
WRONG. Exodus 24:9-10 proves that YAHWEH Himself has His own Body to walk with, Therefore, Yahweh is not solely spirit. Besides, Jesus is a son of Almighty God just as ALL of the males on this Earth are sons of Yahweh. There's no mystery nor secret about IT. We all are created in the LIKENESS of Yahweh, which consist of Body-soul AND spirit, not only Spirit.
Furthermore, JESUS is not mentioned whatsoever in Exodus 24:9-10. Nay! Gain wisdom & understand that Yahweh has FEET AND a Heavenly BODY.
upNyaBizznizz 11 months ago
This video has been refuted by Dr.White.
LogosTheos 1 year ago
uh.... one question. I agree that all the fullness of deity dwells in Jesus. Is it your position that the Father is not fully God? or the Holy Spirit is not fully God? Was Jesus just one "mode" or "maske" that God wore? Who was he speaking to when he gave his high priestly prayer? Sir, God is triune, God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Three persons, one being
Follower172 1 year ago
Jesus did not tell people that he was one of the WHO"S, He told them who he was which is the WHAT.I don't think you understand Hank Hanegraaff"s explanation of the Trinity when it comes to the statement,"One What and Three Who's".BTW Im not a big fan of James White either.In fact I oppose Calvinism totally, but I think on this issue you lack understanding.Jesus spoke of the Father and of the Helper(Holy Spirit).Father,Jesus,and Holy Spirit makes three.3 x 1 not 1 + 1 + 1...God Bless...
bluetew37 1 year ago
You got owned by Dr. White's response to this video...
saint6045 1 year ago
@saint6045 totally and completely owned...I don't know why anyone would challenge James White to debate; it like saying, "Sure I'll look like a fool."
worshippastor12 1 year ago
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these THREE are ONE. (1Jo 5:7 KJV) And HE came and took the book out of the right hand of HIM that sat upon the throne. (Rev 5:7 KJV)
And God [elohiym] said, Let US make man in OUR image (Gen 1:26 KJV)
I dont play any "who and what" games. Why do you refer to James White as the authority on trinitarianism? He isn't my authority on the subject.
eleutheroo1 1 year ago
Are you a Oneness Pentacostal?
eleutheroo1 1 year ago
"And JESUS, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the SPIRIT OF GOD descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo A VOICE FROM HEAVEN, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
That's quite the shadow dance for one person.
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in THE NAME
[singular--One God]
...of THE Father, and of THE Son, and of THE Holy Ghost
[Three Persons].
eleutheroo1 1 year ago
Wow no wonder you can't debate well...you don't have the Spirit of God evidenced by talkin' in tongues...
OneGodApostolic238 1 year ago
Hello KingJames....Has Dr. White took you up on the debate?
810suited 1 year ago
@theGroveMan Don't even go there with the religious crap. You don't even know what religion means. DesiDaimonia is the Greek word for religion. Meaning dread-demonisn / dread-teach. These have the same root in Greek which is fear.
phillip78 1 year ago
@theGroveMan Evolution is at best a hypothesis, not a theory. If evolution were a fact, then there wouldn't be so much that disputes it. See NephilimFree channel. There you will find PLENTY of info that disputes the evolution hypothesis.
It has been scrutinized for 150 years? That's all?
phillip78 1 year ago
If the Apostles were Modalists, they sure did a sloppy job.
Kaffikjelen 1 year ago
"I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." John 5:30. What does this verse mean? It seems to me that the Father sent him and that he is submitting to the will of the father.
waterplo12 2 years ago
Was Constantine a baptized Catholic when he adopted this pagan-belief (Trinity) and forced it into the Catholic followers throats with their swords, spears, bows & arrows?
Protestants left Catholicisms with that same Trinity belief & today, Protestants like you Dr. are trying to explain it with your own twists, spins & turns using the scriptures. Jesus did what His Father told Him & approved of...meaning all the glories go to His Father who sent Him to the world & not for Himself
leSavaii 2 years ago
So who do you really worship & pray to Dr.? Jesus Christ? or the only God that Jesus prays & worships?
leSavaii 2 years ago
youtube channel
/user/FalseTrinityDoctrine
visit it
phillip78 2 years ago
I and the Father are One" in (John 10:30) NOT 3!
Mal2:10 Have we not all ONE father? hath not ONE God created us? Yet in Genesis we have more than 1??? WHAT??
Yet trinity say God is 3 beings.
Pathetic to say the least!
phillip78 2 years ago
you say"Jesus NEVER said he is the Father."
Didn't Jesus say if you SEEN ME YOU SEEN THE FATHER?? Did Jesus say I AM? Revelation 22:13 So Jesus IS GOD, Yet he isn't by saying he is separate?? WHAT?
AND GOD IS SPIRIT. Not person. How can Jesus BE God at the same time BEING God? He is omnipresent.
phillip78 2 years ago
Evolution is at best a hypothesis, not a theory. Likewise, the doctrine of the trinity is at best a hypothesis, for it has not advanced with any Scriptural proofs which could elevate the trinity conjecture to even a theory. I'm not even gonna begin to reveal other things that God has shown me if this simple truth can't be received So an answer to you Q. Yes the word DOES say God is 1. Deut 6:4.
phillip78 2 years ago
Do you not think it strange that the most spiritual and fundamental doctrine of all Christianity does not even qualify for the status of theory let alone doctrinal truth? Amazing. So the trinity is called a hypothesis--a human invention of speculations, conjectures, guesses, theories, imaginings, and assumptions of something that is not understood. Try taking that to the bank.
=)
phillip78 2 years ago
The existence of a trinity is admittedly not demonstrable by logic or scriptural proof, however, it is called a "necessary hypothesis." Websters Dictionary, hypothesis, A system or theory imagined or assumed to account for what is not understood. An unproved theory. theory, a speculative plan... a formulation of underlying principles of certain observed phenomena which has been verified to some degree... a conjecture; guess.....
phillip78 2 years ago
nowhere in the Scriptures is God referred to or called a "trinity." the word "three" is never used in reference to Who or What God is. God is never called or referred to as "a person."
Lets see if my thousand page Hastings Dictionary of the Bible can help us.
Page 1015: TRINITY--The Christian doctrine of God as existing in three Persons and one Substance IS NOT DEMONSTRABLE BY LOGIC or SCRIPTURAL PROOF..."
phillip78 2 years ago
Didn't Jesus say if you seem me you seen the Father??Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: Why do you worship 3 when the word says he is 1? Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. "The word WAS GOD! hello? Does Jesus LITERALLY sit(as we sit) on the right side of God? If God is spirit, omnipresent, then how will you be able to show me the right side of omnipresent? "The right hand of God" Does a spirit have a physical hand?
phillip78 2 years ago
The "right hand" is a DISPLAY (metaphor) of POWER. btw...
phillip78 2 years ago
All of the godhead is in Christ. Father Son and the Holy Spirit resides IN CHRIST. Our trinity friends have it backwards.
Why is Col 2:9 so difficult to understand?
phillip78 2 years ago
For ex: Jesus speaks to the Pharisees in Jn 8:16-18 Jesus says in 16 "& yet if I judge, MY judgment is true, for I am not alone, BUT I & THE FATHER that SENT ME." 17"It is written in ur law, that the testimony of TWO MEN is true." 18"I AM ONE that bear witness of MYSELF, & THE FATHER that SENT ME bares witness." Jesus CLEARLY makes the distinction between him & the Father. You reject the grammer! cont..
djvdiddy 2 years ago
Col 2:9 isnt difficult. Ur misunderstanding the meaning sir.
Col 2:9 is showing that all the fullness of what it takes to be God, is in Christ Jesus! All this vs is show is that Christ has all the Deity in Him. Not that he's the on PERSON in the Godhead. In Him "DWELLS ALL THE FULLNESS"(All the Deity). This proves that he is 100% God, which is EXACTLY what trinintarians believe...
djvdiddy 2 years ago
Jesus is God YET he is separate? Listen to what your saying. The truth of the oneness is the oldest truth's that God has revealed to me. It is child's play.
Do you worship Jesus? Why? Didn't God say that he will not give his glory to another? Does Mt 28:19 say to baptize in the N-A-M-E? not names? SINGULAR!?! Didn't Jesus say "I AM"?!? Are you a father, a son, uncle? Now are you going to tell me you are separate persons because you play all these rolls?
phillip78 2 years ago
No you are misunderstanding it. It is easy a pie.
For in him (Christ) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
In Christ is all of the godhead.
phillip78 2 years ago
if God was 3 persons then it would say God is 3 persons. but it don't. God plays 3 OFFICES/ ROLLS. IN 1 BEING. The scriptures makes it very clear GOD IS ONE.
phillip78 2 years ago
Using ur logic "Why doesnt the bible say God plays 3 Offices/ Rolls. But it dont." - You see, ur arguing from silence. It could "not" say it 500 times, but the concept is ABSOLUTELY there!
djvdiddy 2 years ago
Does your bible SAY God is 3?? NO It's documented from Genesis to Revelation God is ONE. not 3. What will God do if you accept him as 3? He will reprove you. Job 13:6-10. Jesus is NOT IN THE GODHEAD, the goodhead is in Christ Col 2:9. How about Isa 9:6 says that a child is born and will be called the MIGHT GOD. Are you telling me Jesus ISN'T God when Isa says otherwise? Is the 1 verse that says God is 3? A MANIFESTATION IS NOT A SEPARATE BEING.
phillip78 2 years ago
Your setting up a strawman. I completely agree God is ONE! Your ASSUMING that means in person. There is a HUGE difference between Gods being, & Gods personhood. Is there a verse that states God is one PERSON? You also believe in a triune God, just not in person but in personality. Jesus NEVER said he is the Father. You reject the grammer Jesus uses DEMANDING that he is seperate in person from the Father. cont...
djvdiddy 2 years ago
I WISH I HAD TIME TO GO THRU EVERY TRINITARIAN QUESTION HERE AND ANSWER EVERY 1 ,,,CAUSE THEY R SOME UNSCRIPTURAL AND DUMB,, IT SHOWS LOTS OF U DONT KNOW SCRIPTURE,
,I DONT KNOW BOUT U , BUT WHEN I GOT IN CHURCH I STUDIED CAUSE I WANTED TO SEE IF THE PREACHER I SAT UNDER WAS TAKEN ME TO HEAVEN OR SENDING ME TO HELL! WAKE UP U KNUCKLEHEAD TRINITARIANS!! IN LOVE OF COURSE!!
WAKE UP N STUDY THE BOOK ,,LEST U PERISH !!
(Hosea 4:6 KJV) "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge
ronhanish 2 years ago
@ronhanish
I'm sure Genesis 1:26 is often on this topic...I'm new to the topic...so can you explain from a non-trinitarian view the "us" and "our" image statements.
Also...if there is not three persons in the Godhead then who is The Father, who is The Son, and who is The Holy Spirit?
ixthustruth 2 years ago
ixthustruth- God has ABSOLUTELY revealed himself in 3 persons. Notice how the trinitarian position can explain the vs's saying "let US" "in OUR" oneness doctrine comes up w/out a sufficient answer. To come up with oneness doctrine, youd have to ignore all the language & grammer. Take John 17:5. COMPLETELY shows the Father & Son seperate in person. Sharing their glory. The grammer DEMANDS that!! They have to interprite it to mean something other than what it says. I love em, but their wrong...
djvdiddy 2 years ago
HERETIC. FULL BLOWN.
810suited 2 years ago
Jesus was the fullness of the Godhead manifested in the flesh<<<THE VERY FATHER OF CREATION BECOMING LOWLY FLESH
(Isa 9:6 KJV) "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
ronhanish 2 years ago
yeah yeah yeah.
Colossians 2:9-12 (King James Version) 9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Wow I did not know this wow thank GOD for this video and guy
What? Who? lol
THE LORD IS JC AKA JESUS CHRIST AMEN YEAH
TRINITY IS DEFEATED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST
JESUSFREAK46939 2 years ago
WHAT?
ronhanish 2 years ago
What is really so DREADFULL, about the whole theme of Christian Theology, is the fact that, for those familiair with the history of Humanity, it is much of a "Deja vu" for Paganism; hence a far cry for Monotheism.
malinehydara 2 years ago
The Modalist's God Has three different names but is only on person? Jesus then prays to himself? No, surely not. The Modalist thinks he has God all figured out when the Bible states clearly that He is like no other on earth! look at the resurrection:Jesus said He would raise himself up, The Spirit raisd him, and the Father raised the Son. Also says "GOD raised Jesus from the dead". Great view of the trininty. God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit! So perfectly harmonious!
djvdiddy 2 years ago
Jesus in flesh is prayin to the Spirit
The Spirit within Jesus is the same Spirit He is prayin to.The only reason He has to pray is because He is in the weakness of the flesh, the battles in the flesh are :lust of flesh ,lust of eyes ,pride of life, He has to battle against flesh because He is now flesh ,If Jesus had sinned in the flesh That would have disquallified Him as Saviour. this is why Jesus prayed cause He was battling, though His Spirit is still everywhere being the creator ,FATHER
ronhanish 2 years ago
UMM,,,NO... 1 NAME ,,,N,,,1 GOD,,,,
but God has many names in scripture
but only 1 saving name ,,,can u guess which 1 it is? Hint
(Acts 4:12 KJV) "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."
y du u think the apostles baptized in Jesus name ??
CAUSE ITS THE ONLY 1 THAT REMITTS SINS!!!
Acts 2:38 KJV Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins
STUDY!
ronhanish 2 years ago
what you then have to answer is "who" was the "us" in Genesis just before man was created.
Jesus did say he was the Son of God..its why he was murdered.
Jesus is the Word..and the Word was with God and the Word was God..you will have to answer this as well. For the Word to be with God and to be God is very interesting
ixthustruth 2 years ago
BRO this dont prove God is 3 people,,,sorry
(Gen 1:26 KJV) "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,... MAN R U A TRINITY? LOOK @ VERSE 27
(Gen 1:27 KJV) "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."
U R N GODS IMAGE AINT U???
WHERES THE OTHER 2 OF U???
TRINITY DOCTRINE IS SOOO DUMB,,
I CANT BELIEVE ANYBODY IS SO GULLIBLE TO BELIEVE IT
ronhanish 2 years ago
NO THEY MURDERED HIM CAUSE HE SAID HE WAS GOD,,,THEY THOUGHT HE BLASPHEMED WHICH HAD THE MURDER SENTENCE
(John 10:33 KJV) "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."
DUDE U REALLY NEED TO STUDY MAN ,QUIT LISTENIN TO LAMEBRAINS
THEY R GONNA SEND U TO HELL WITH THEIR DUMB FALSE DOCTRINES
ILL EVEN BET U THINK THE ANIMALS WENT INTO THE ARK BY 2'S RIGHT? WRONG ANSWER ,STUDY MAN ,ITS 4 UR SOUL
ronhanish 2 years ago
R U UR WORD? OR IS YOUR WORD U SPEAK ANOTHER PERSON?
SEE HOW DUMB THAT SOUNDS,,, TRINITARIANS NEVER USE LOGIC WITH SCRIPTURE ,,,THEY MAKE THEMSELVES SOUND SO STUPID,,,
IF WORD IS JESUS AND GOD IS FATHER THEN IT HAS TO GO LIKE THIS
(John 1:1 KJV) "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
(John 1:1 KJV) "In the beginning was the JESUS, and the JESUS was with FATHER, and the JESUS was FATHER."
U SEE IT RIGHT THERE, JESUS IS FATHER
WHAT!
ronhanish 2 years ago
HERETIC is the only description for you Steve.
kcwmjb 2 years ago
heretic
TheDallasBurns 2 years ago
lolol, what's funny is that you Modalists don't have much of a leg to stand on either. NO "OT Jew" believed that GOD is a man or WOULD EVER BE A MAN.
Mencel89 2 years ago
FALSE STATEMENT,,,Jews messiah means Spirit of God,,,Jesus was Spirit of God manifest in flesh,,,
ronhanish 2 years ago
dude, Messiah does NOT mean "Spirit of God"... it measns ANOINTED ONE. do yourself a favor and LEARN HEBREW and LEARN JUDAISM.
Mencel89 2 years ago
James whit will destroy you in a debate!!!!
jesus002 2 years ago
Some of these comments by these trinity folks are funny, so I though I'd say something comical also.
phillip78 2 years ago
I guess the trinity folks think these three being are playing musical chairs in heaven. LOL or they are sitting each others lap. LOL. By the way John said 1 sat upon the throne. not 3
phillip78 2 years ago
YES
ronhanish 2 years ago
Triniatarians are either spiritually blind blind, and some are willfully ignorant.
phillip78 2 years ago
Comment removed
Acerrak 2 years ago
Comment removed
Acerrak 2 years ago
Comment removed
Acerrak 2 years ago
When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven and said, "Father... this is eternal life, that they know thee THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. - John 17:1-3
There is only one True God and Father of All. For there is ONE GOD, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus - 1 Tim 2:5
bandaidmafia 2 years ago
ameeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen Jesus is God
tulvox 2 years ago
People, how many thrones are there?
there is 1, who sits upon this throne? JESUS! THE FATHER MADE VISIBLE IN THE SON
Mar 10:36 And he said unto them, What would ye that I should do for you?
Mar 10:37 They said unto him, Grant unto us that we may sit, one on thy right hand, and the other on thy left hand, in thy glory
see also - mark 14:62 /mat 26:64 it's a hebraism. You can't have someone on your left AND right if you are to someone elses right already, there is one throne jesus is on.
Jaysen1976 2 years ago
No matter what is said about him(pbh), so long as you admit that he(pbh) was a human, no further thing can be added to his person, which will equate him(pbh) with the LORD of the worlds. It is absurd and very FUTILE, mind set.
The CREATOR(Unique in His Uniqueness), is undescribeable, undefinable in terms of Substance or space time factor. Whilst Issa(pbh) was truly a human being, who went through all the normal BIOLOGICAL procedures of procreation: Futoe, nine month pregnancy, childhood..etc
malinehydara 3 years ago
When associating Issa(pbh) with OUR CREATOR(most high), it show how forgetful you have been about your own HUMAN CONDITION. What not sit down and PONDER UPON YOURSELF(fully) and then think ABOUT the greatest of our UNIVERSE and then THINK ABOUT the ONE WHO CREATED THAN.
The moment you state that Issa(pbh) is fully HUMAN BEING, then obviously he can not be the CREATOR. We human beings are very LOW and we come from a VERY VERY LOW STATION. No matter whatever is said about him(pbh),...
malinehydara 3 years ago
Dude, what planet are you from?
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago 3
From the REAL world, a world without FANATASIES, where BEDTIME stories are kept for bedtimes and for Children ONLY. You should start growing out of this ABSURD Issa(pbh) business.
Exd 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Why do you ignore this part of your Scriptures and the many MORE......?
malinehydara 3 years ago
@KingJamesVideoMan He is Mulim just so you know. Issa is the name of Jesus in Islam. They believe that God cannot enter into His own creation because in the Quar'an it says that God is not begotten, nor can He beget. This is a different God from the One, True God, our God.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
"...We have all we need in Issa(pbh) ..." is completely different of issa(pbh) having the fullness of the Mighty Creator in him(pbh).
Neither you nor the TRINITARIAN got it RIGHT. All of you have come up with your won way to try to DIFINE and CONTAIN, the MIGHTY CREATOR. In fact you have started quite well by stating that "...you don't know whoever he is, or whatever HE is..." this enough of statement to strike a line between Issa(pbh) and THE ONE(most high) WHO SENT HIM
malinehydara 3 years ago
John 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
Matt 28:18-20 "And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.
KinsmenRedeemed 3 years ago
I want to ask what means for oneness the plural pronoun We, or the word both, or us.
Kingjamesman says many things trinitarians never say, it is to confuss ignorant people.
yesGodknows 3 years ago
hello
mlculwell 3 years ago
The plural* we * does not make Jesus anohter person of God you pompously inserted it into the text, it is not God the son saying *we* but rather Jesus when he said *we* was not yet glorified and still in his humanity The one person incarnated by God the father.Even if we spertated the son from the incarnation we still do not have two persons of God but real humanity(Son) and real divinity(God) the father. 1 person in the incarnation
mlculwell 3 years ago
Bible never says the FAther became flesh. Just says: the Word became flesh, or Jesuschrist in the days of his flesh, etc.
where does in the Bible says that God the Father incarnated one person?
We, is simply a plural pronoun of persons, accept that and you will be happy.
yesGodknows 3 years ago
You are assuming the word/Logos was (Jesus) and it is contradictory to do so! (Psalm 33:6 )tells us what the word was and it sure does not tell us it was a pre-existent god the son.
By the word of the LORD were the heavens made and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth(The Septuagint) Is this read John 1:1? in the beginning was god the son and god the son was with the father and god the son was the father. the trinitarian view is silly. The word was God's plan for salvation.
mlculwell 3 years ago
the word/plan was only Jesus when that plan came to fruition and was made flesh. it was not a pre-existent Jesus. the days of his flesh is in contrast to the days of his pre-existent spirit which was God the father. I can show you God the father was in the son but you cannot show God the son was in the son that is silly anyhow
mlculwell 3 years ago
miculwell, even though I agree with you on Jesus' identity as the Father, you are wrong about this definition of "The Word" in John 1:1. I have done a video on it and wrote an article on it, but suffice it to say that the Word means "the life of God." 1 John 1:2 says that this "Word" was with the father because it said the life was with the Father, therefore defining the Word in John 1:1 that was WITH God. 1 John 1:1-3 also called this life "The Word" capital W. Your "plan" is not scriptural.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
I believe it is scriptural Brother, Because Paul used the Term in (2nd. Tim.2:17) and uses the term word for two individuals evil plan.I know very well the scriptures you gave from (1st. John 1:1-3 ) use it all the time.(Psalm 33:6 The Word )tells us what the word was. here was nobody to give eternal life too...God Bless!
mlculwell 3 years ago
"...Truth shall set you FREE..."
malinehydara 3 years ago
Here the Son is stating that He is in the Father. How is this possible if the Son is the flesh?
Joh 14:11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
whitsitt3 2 years ago
glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world existed...
The Word was with God. This was in the begining with God.
yesGodknows 3 years ago
In verse 24 of the same context of the same chapter it says; the disciples were going to behold his glory he had with the father. That glory he had with the father was his passsion in the plan of God(Rev. 13:8) The word we find the meaning In Psalm 33:6 and it comes from the breath of God's mouth.The day you can make that a person is the day you will have anargument.( Logos Psalm 33:6 Septuagint)
mlculwell 3 years ago
Jesus Said: the father in me he doeth the works(John 14:10)Show me a passage that says God the son was incarnated there is none the word was no a distinct person of God. The word was exactly that. The word.
Psalm 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.. The day you can make the word by the breath of your mouth another person of God is the day you will have an argument from John 1:1
mlculwell 3 years ago
This means that Jesus can't be the Father then.
whitsitt3 2 years ago
Uh wrong! Jesus was Given the spirit of the father by no measure.(John3:34)
The father in Jesus did the works and miracles.(John 14;10)
We only refer to Jesus as the father Because of the spirit of the father in him. The father actually existed before the son.
( Romans 5:14,1st. cor.15:45-46)
mlculwell 2 years ago
Your view points to an indwelling, not the incarnation. The Bible says the Word (God) became flesh, not only indwelled Jesus ( John 1:14).
whitsitt3 2 years ago
So what! the Disciples were in Jesus(John 17:21)
Stop using that ignorant argument .
God is spirit we can be in him and he in us, the only difference is he as the spirit was given to Jesus without measure. (John 3:34)
mlculwell 2 years ago
You means stop quoting scriptures. The Bible says that "the Word" who was with God from the beginning became flesh. If you think that is a ignorant argument, then you don't like what the Bible says.
whitsitt3 2 years ago 2
Yeah I know you want me to stop quoting scripture as it does not line up with what you have been taught from false prophets concerning John 1:1.
The fact is psalm 33:6 tells us what the word was!
By the word/Logos of the LORD were the heavens made and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
mlculwell 2 years ago
Hello, if Jesus was "given the Spirit of the Father," that means that Jesus CAN'T be the Father. Your view would mean that the Father is giving the Father the Spirit.
whitsitt3 2 years ago
This shows your ignorance of Oneness doctrine and scripture we refer to Jesus as the father because of the divine spirit given him we also realize the father existed before the son.
Romans 5:14 Adam who was the figure of HIM THAT WAS TO COME.
mlculwell 2 years ago
True, John also says that it was the Son of God would was manifested (1 John 3:8)
1Jn 3:8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.
whitsitt3 2 years ago
yeah the son of God is in reference to his flesh and our sacrifice not some hybrid multiple god!
(1st. Cor.15:21)
mlculwell 2 years ago
It was the Son of God who was manifested 1 Jn 3:8; 1 Tim 3:16. It was Jesus Christ who had come in the flesh 1 Jn 4:2... Jesus Christ is the Son of God 1Jn 4:15.
whitsitt3 2 years ago 2
No, God was manifest in the flesh!
God is the father(Mal. 2:10)
God is spirit (John 4:24)
God is Holy(Psalm 99:9)Thus god is the father also known as the Holy spirit and Jesus was made that god as His humanity had a beginning(John 3:34)
Jesus Christ is the son of God according to the flesh not according to your false doctrine.
mlculwell 2 years ago
What does dwelleth and ye mean? Never used those words before. Even when I type it out it has a red line underneath it saying it is a misspelling.
bweave996 3 years ago
Dwelleth means continuation or continues to dwell and ye is you for you Westcott and Hort Crowd which Westcott has red line under it also. but we know what you are trying to do which is Bias folks and make them feel stupid for not using your self contradictory texts and versions.I am no KJV but it is the best we have and there is nothing out there better.
mlculwell 3 years ago
I´m inviting everybody to make his own research in Bible. I made one, and I found more than 501 texts-sentenses in NT where Jesus recognizes the difference between He and his Father, or the apostles make this same difference. Just in NT more than 501. For me that is enough, I hope the same for everybody. NT never says what oneness strongly affirm, something like Jesus is the Father, or that Jesus was praying to himself, remember, more than 501, make your own research, you will find it. GBY
yesGodknows 3 years ago
This shows your ignornace of Oneness and how you believe the lies from your lying preachers and thier false apologeticc works. Do you think we do not see those personal pronouns get a clue and then use some better arguemnts that do not make you look like you are a preacher worshipper.
mlculwell 3 years ago
Your words shows your ignorance of what respect and grammar is. and shows how you believe the lies from your lying preachers and their false apologetic works. I can see you don´t respect grammar. Get a clue and then use some better words that don´t make you look like you are a preacher worshipper. and God bless you, believer in Christ. I love all my brothers and sisters that believe as Bible says.
yesGodknows 3 years ago
You simply repeated everything I said and had zero arguments as trinitarians never have any arguments that amount to anything.
mlculwell 3 years ago
because your words are ugly. You use "ignorance" "lies" "lying preachers" "false apologetic works", etc. I could use the same for you, but it looks I´m more educated person than you. Though I believe my salvation is sure in Jesuschrist you just try to offend and discredit true believers in JesusChrist. I think you should read again the letters of Jhon, you know, 1, 2 and 3.
yesGodknows 3 years ago
And another thing. If Jesus is our advocate who pleads our case before the Father, then what in the world is going on? We have a contradiction here. How can Jesus be talking to the Father about my sins, and all the while have the Holy Spirit inside of me, cleansing me everyday to become the righteousness of Christ, and Jesus be the only working force in my life? You my friend are simply lost in your belief.
MrFinklestein 3 years ago
Jesus does not persoanlly plead our case before God the father it is his slain humnaity that does that once for all if that were the case then he would be doing nothing but, you people are precious with your childish ignornace of scripture and then believing the contradictory doctrine of the trinity further strengthens your ignorance of scripture.
mlculwell 3 years ago
I don't understand what you're trying to get at. In Christ alone are we redeemed. The Holy Spirit was sent to us as the Comforter, sent by Jesus Himself, so that we might be given power and authority. The Father is obviously referenced multiple times within the NT, such as the time Jesus was baptized and the Father said, "This is my Son, in whom I am well pleased." A worthy note concerning this would also be to reference the fact that the Holy Spirit came in the form of a Dove to anoint Jesus.
MrFinklestein 3 years ago
Jesus is the comforter I(JESUS) WILL NOT LEAVE YOU COMFORTLESS,I (JESUS) WILL COME TO YOU. HE SIMPLY PAID THE PRICE THROUGH HIS SLAIN HUMAAITY FOR US TO HAVE IT. FOR THE HOLY GHOST WAS NOT YET GIVEN FOR JESUS WAS NOT YET GLORIFIED(JOHN 7:38-39)the Lord is that spirit.(2nd Cor. 2:17) what Lord? Jesus was made both Lord and Christ(Acts 2:36) Jesus was made the Life giving Spirit(1st. Cor. 15:45-47) there are no bounds to trinitarain ignornace of scripture.
mlculwell 3 years ago
Jesus said this before His was crucified. Did Jesus reappear before His ascension? The answer is yes He did. This means He did return to them and not leave them comfortless, and after he left, the Holy Spirit was sent.
whitsitt3 2 years ago
That is right! You have just identified Jesus as the comforter, or Holy Spirit!
(2nd. cor.3:17) Now the lord is that spirit!
(Acts 2:36) Jesus was made both Lord and christ.
(1st. Cor. 15:45-46)Jesus was made the life giving spirit.
mlculwell 2 years ago
To begin, I did not "just identified Jesus as the comforter." If you are going to start a conversation with dishonesty there isn't a need to go any further. I will only respond to those who don't start a conversation with a lie.
whitsitt3 2 years ago
Ya, I think I'll stick with James White's orthodox view instead of your..., I'm sorry who are you?
God IS three who's in one what. The triadic concept of God is biblical. Trinitarians (biblical Christians) out number modalists by an innumerable amount. Go listen to your phony TD Jakes.
Your video is not only heretical but horribly dull and opinionated instead of biblical. Seminarian? huh?
DifferentStrings2112 3 years ago
Jesus was outnumbered a thousand to 1. A very small portion of the earth knew who he was...and of those who met him, most did not know really WHO he was. And so it is today...it is always the few and not the many. Elvis was more popular than Mr. White...maybe we should take his doctrine.
3 persons as 1 God is heathenism. The apostles followed the Son of God, not God the son.
AttributeofGod 3 years ago
Elvis wasn't a theologian..... so.....
DifferentStrings2112 3 years ago
Correct, but the Sadducees and Pharasees were theologians and they were called.....
My point is that you cannot debate revelation to someone...it has to be revealed to them by God (as Peter was given the Revelation of who Jesus was). God wants us to know him by vitue of faith and not intellect. Peter couldn't read his own name...and wrote by inspiration. So ought we to read what he said by inspiration and not by theological intellect. Jesus gave Peter the keys because of his 'revelation'.
AttributeofGod 3 years ago
Good one, attributeofGod. Truth is equated with popularity, orthodoxy, TV, anything but scripture. The majority is almost always wrong in scripture and life.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
KJVMan I DO love your videos...you said "Christian Seminarian Nonesense"!!! LOL Too funny. And for a minute there I felt like I was back in "Who-ville" with all those whos! LoL Ok Ok I'm done. However I think you would address Dr. White FAR better than that Sabin brother in those debates I saw on youtube! I was VERY disappointed....
Keep up the good work and ALWAYS make sure it is done in the name of the Lord Jesus (with a pure heart). Bless!
LJCampbell25 3 years ago
Isn't it ironic that the amount of views on this video is 666.
HarperTalks 3 years ago
It was 666 only during your view Harper LOL
AttributeofGod 3 years ago
The us again refers to the church not random individuals. according to his good pleasure does not mean "randomly" throwinf one and choosing another. still, ridiculous doctrine!
mlculwell 3 years ago
so mlculwell, do you mean the "church" as in its walls and ceiling? Of course not. You mean the "us" is the church as in the collected individuals who make up the body of Christ, correct??
wuebbsco 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
The "Hypostatic Union" is a ridiculous contradiction of scripture and makes Jesus according to your version of the incarnation a hybrid. You make Jesus humanity a *nature only* to accamodate another inherent side contradiction that the joining of God and man is only One person instead of two because *God the son* was in the human son. Thus God the son was both a nature and a person but the humanity was relagated to an nature only(a nature is not a real person)100% of neither!
mlculwell 3 years ago
mculwell, I was just watching a bit of your video here and something hit me. You keep saying the Lord is Jesus Christ. It sounds like you are saying we are ONLY to worship Christ. DO you not believe in God the Father, do you not pray TO God the Father, In Jesus name?? I am curious to understand your biblical eisegesis here. thanks.
wuebbsco 3 years ago
What video? I have no video.
mlculwell 3 years ago
You know what, mlculwell. Forgive me, I thought this was your video! I just realized you are just making comments on the video. Oops. Gods keeps me humble. lol
wuebbsco 3 years ago
No man cometh unto the Father but by me (Jesus). You can't pray to the Father unless you go to the Father in the flesh, Jesus Christ. God is not a mediator of one, but God is one. It seems as if no one prays to Jesus Christ. Jesus said no man can even go to the Father without coming to him. Jesus is not just some pit stop to the Father. You cannot bypass Jesus Christ. You must pray to him. You can't bypass the mediator. Even if you believe the Father is a separate person, you can't bypass Jesus.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
One star
WorshipVideo 3 years ago
It is very easy to debate Dr. White. Just send him an email requesting time to debate him on his web cast on either Tuesday or Thursday on most weeks. He will set aside time for a debate, I can assure you.
One caution - you will have to be disciplined and scholarly. He will treat you with great courtesy, but if you lose your cool or become unprofessional, he will hang up on you.
Most people do not have the mental and emotional discipline to debate him. They usually get mad and flame out.
solabiblia 3 years ago
"Most people do not have the mental and emotional discipline to debate him. They usually get mad and flame out."
Yeah, keep telling yourself that, it is a nice copout.
mlculwell 3 years ago
He(James White) must assume all the fullness of diety is "God the son" there is no such thing in scripture, "the son of God", refers to Jesus humanity, the Diety is God the father, ie. the father that dwell-eth(contnues to dwell) in me( real Humanity) he(God the father in me and not God the son) doeth the works. (John 14:10) because, I can of Mine own (Human son self) can do nothing. (John 5:30)
mlculwell 3 years ago
"Yeah, keep telling yourself that, it is a nice copout." - mlculwell
Copout? I don't get it. Your comment makes no sense. Please explain.
solabiblia 3 years ago
He hangs up because he cannot answer. You are making a statement you know nothing about! How do you know, are you in his head? He uses that excuse.
mlculwell 3 years ago
mlculwell, with all due respect, Dr White has done more than sixty public debates. To say he is scared of you is slightly comical. Put your bible where your mouth is and call into his Dividing line program. If you have heard any of his debates, you would know that he knows scripture. So if he does hang up on you, its only because of rudeness, which I am sure you would NOT be. Being a good Christian guy and all, I am sure you would be gentlemanly, right?
wuebbsco 3 years ago
I have called his dividing line program twice! He hung up on me because he could'nt take me pointing out his absurdidties nor would he let me.Oh, the rudeness is ploy to claim "unchristainess" I knew he would not allow me to speak, I have been on programs like that since 1986 and get the same thing from you people. You don't want anyone to hear your absurdidities or for them to be pointed out.
mlculwell 3 years ago
mlculwell, are you aware you "sound" like a very angry person. The same with Texxe Mars and Gail Riplinger. All you KJO folks get upset very easily. I love my fellow Christians even if they believe different than me. Why the anger sir? I'm sure I was not listening to the program when you called in, but I bet he gave you enough time to talk and then you got upset about "your version" of Calvinism. I can tell you for sure that you do not understand the biblical definition of Calvinism.
wuebbsco 3 years ago
I hate False doctrine, I am angtry at false doctrine, It is called righteous indignition I would do anything for you,I am not angry at you!I would especially try to help you away from the trinity and Calvinism. All five points are false.
mlculwell 3 years ago
I had a debate recently with a Roman Catholic who called Calvinism heresy as you do. When I asked him for a topic to debate, he couldnt even name one of the five points. He mentioned Sola Scriptura, which is of the Reformation, not Calvinism itself! So, I must ask you, do you know the five points you so despise? WHat are they?
wuebbsco 3 years ago
I know Calvins tulip very well.
Total depravity
unconditional election
limited atonement
irresisible grace
perseverence of
the saints
mlculwell 3 years ago
Technically speaking, Calvin woud have known nothing of the T.U.L.I.P. acronym has it was developed as a response to the Remonstrants arguments.
scribe7580 3 years ago
Scribe, that's very correct. I personally do not even like the wording of the Tulip... Like "total depravity" and "Limited atonement". We are NOT totally depraved..but we ARE dead in our sins! Romans 5:12, and I much prefer the name "particular" atonement, as God had a particular people in mind to save! Is.53, Math. 1, Eph.1, 1 Peter 1. Of course, I dont know where you stand on this issue, but Im sure you will tell me! God bless.
wuebbsco 3 years ago
I'm a Calvinist but then again Calvinism is not a monolith...God Bless
scribe7580 3 years ago
hey mlculwell, great job with the tulip! lol I love reformed theology because I believe it is the true gospel of Christ, and I am happy to back this assertion up with scripture! So you dont even believe that you are eternally secure in Christ?? Thats so sad. My God saves perfectly! Jesus came down to earth to do the will of the Father. And what is the will of the Father? That of all The Father has given Him, He loses Nothing..but raise it up at the last day! John 6:37-44
wuebbsco 3 years ago
Of course I believe I am *eternally secure in Christ* but not like you! Because after all, there is that nasty little doctrine of *blaspheming the holy Ghost*( you have to have the Holy Ghost to blaspheme.)I know you don't have it for sure, so cannot blaspheme something you do not know.
mlculwell 3 years ago
John 6:44 Let's see? what you are trying to say is;No man can come to me (Jesus) unless the father (God) somehow(has preordained individuals to heaven or hell) Verse 45 tells how that drawing takes place and that is through the preaching of the word. That is the method God pre-ordained in drawing.
mlculwell 3 years ago
mlculwell, you say, "what you are trying to say is". I am quoting scripture. So its what The Holy Spirit has said through the Authors, not me. Anyways, you say preaching is how the drawing takes place, and that is what is pre-destined? Your explanation is confusing. Eph. 1:3-6 says he predestined us according to His will, and for His glory BEFORE the foundation of the world. What is predestined is "us", the Elect, or the Chosen, NOT preaching! Am I misunderstanding you?
wuebbsco 3 years ago
"Predestined us" refers to the church, the Body of Christ, the Body is predestined to Glory before the foundation of the world, not just individuals! Individuals make up the body, but the Body is collective, as long as you are in the Body. His will and drawing is preformed through preaching the word not by some random silly choosing.
mlculwell 3 years ago
Well, you are on the right track here at least. Yes, we who were predestined are the "church", the "body of Christ"! Do you know that the Greek word for church comes from the SAME word for the "Elect". But I take issue with you that this is some "random, silly" choosing. Those are your words Manuel, not mine, and certainly not the bible's! Eph. 1:4-6. Read it again. He chose us in Him Before the foundation of the world.....According to His good pleasure! This is not random choosing.
wuebbsco 3 years ago
hey mlculwell, great job with the tulip
Thank you wuebbsco!That is the most simplistic best way I could do it as I could not find any of the doctrines in scripture. Weubbsco, when are you going to answer the contradiction of your trinity doctrine.
mlculwell 3 years ago
I have 3 of your comments to answer mlculwell, so bear with me. I love you as a brother in Christ, but I believe you understanding of the context of scripture is horrendous! I know you believe the same of me. Your very question is based on a false presupposition..but I will do what I can. About John 17? I believe you said he was praying to himself? His human nature praying to his God nature or something? What about Coloss. 3:1...Christ is seated at the right hand of...Himself?
wuebbsco 3 years ago
You never recieved a comment from me where "I said he was praying to himself!" If you did you need to show proof that I said such a silly thing? I believe Jesus as a real human man was in subjection to his God and prayed to his real God who is and was spirit that was both in him w/o measure9John 3:34) and in heaven.
mlculwell 3 years ago
mlcuwell, I am not above apologizing when I am wrong. I think it may have been Kingjames video man that said that...Someone said it, but I see it wasnt you...forgive me. However, here you say that Jesus is praying to "his real God". Um, If Jesus is God the Father in the flesh...who else would he be praying to other than himself. He would not be praying to another God...that would make him polytheistic. He is obviously praying to someone that is NOT himself though! Follow the pronouns.
wuebbsco 3 years ago
Wuebbsco, I appreciate your honesty!"The incarnation" is God in man(God was in Christ reconcilling the world unto himself 2nd Cor. 5:19)It was God the father in Jesus, incarnte in the son.(The father in me, he doeth the works John 14:10) God is the father, the son is flesh.Please show me where the son was incarnate in the son?I follow pronouns what those pronouns do not teach are plural persons of God but One God and One man. Like the sesame street song says one of these things are not like...
mlculwell 3 years ago
ok mlculwell, 2 things. First, you say, "please show me where the Son was incarnate in the Son?" If you mean where the Son came down and became flesh, I give you John 1:1,14 and Phil 2:5-11. Second, you say the pronouns do not teach a plurality of persons in John 17. verses 5-6... "Now Father, glorify ME together with YOURSELF, with the glory which I had with YOU before the world was...they were YOURS and YOU gave them to ME." You say its One God and One man. yea, the man who is the Word!
wuebbsco 3 years ago
LOL! Come back to me when you learn something you are spouting trinitarain talking points!
The glory refers to that in Rev. 13:8 The lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
His passion (Read John 17:22) The disciples were about to witnes