Andrew Wakefield Party Entertainment

[klett69]

it is always the chicken thief who goes in jail...

Why nobody tells us how clinical trials are conducted?

Why nobody tells us the story of how thimerosal was trialled at ely lilly back in the 30s or the 20s. The smartness of mainstream big pharma companies is to present always big bulky dumbing results completely covering details.

It is dumbingdogmamatic shitscience we r eating everyday

soap opera medicine

who has ever read golden age scifi doesn't need a second to grasp what's going on nowadays

[fireiciclespark]

Is anyone here prepared to admit Glaxosmithkline experimentation on AIDS orphans is criminal? Is anyone bothered?

[fireiciclespark]

Sleepcity./motormouth: What complaints have you raised about Glaxo experimenting on AiDS orphans against their will?

[sleepcity]

@fireiciclespark You haven't asked until now but that's a separate issue, isn't it? Nice attempt at redirecting the argument and evading any honest response to my questions, though. Follow me here: because some companies do terrible things it doesn't follow that the science is wrong. These aren't mutually exclusive concepts -- except to you, which identifies you as a conspiracy theorist.

[fireiciclespark]

@sleepcity

"Follow me here: because some companies do terrible things it doesn't follow that the science is wrong."

Follow me here:

As Glaxo forced AIDS orphans to take highly toxic drugs (corporate policy not conspiracy theory) do they give a flying fuck about ethics provided they make a tidy profit?

Just a "yes" or "no" will suffice.

[sleepcity]

@fireiciclespark Oooh got all of us "science people" there, genius! Turns out we LOVE torturing AIDS patients and doing all manner of nasty things. If it's vaguely conspiratorial and sinister you can bet (in your middle-school worldview) that the Agents of Big Pharma (who wear red and have cobras on their uniforms and are also communists) are behind it! But what can we do now that YouTube commenter fireicilespark has found us all out?! NOOOOOOooooooo!!!!!!

[fireiciclespark]

@sleepcity Your comment made no sense from start to finish.

Once again:

As Glaxo forced AIDS orphans to take highly toxic drugs do they give a damn about ethics provided they make a tidy profit?

Just a "yes" or "no" will suffice.

[dilamister]

How in any way do people think this is a bad thing. He needed blood samples from children without autism or the gut problems the Lancet 12 had. He had friends who were doctors and asked them if they'd mind to have their children give blood samples which they agreed to do. What exactly is wrong with that.

[sleepcity]

@dilamister What's wrong with that? Medical professionals are supposed to be a little more professional than putting their friends' children at risk for a study whose result was arrived at when the check from the injury lawyer cleared. He has put people's lives at risk for his dubious research and he's initiated a mass campaign to incite hysteria among parents. This has translated into REAL and ACTUAL DEATH AND SUFFERING in the real world as children die from vaccine-preventable illness!

[dilamister]

@sleepcity the childrens parents agreed to it. He was collecting blood. No ones life was at risk, that is an stupid thing to say.

[sleepcity]

@dilamister If their parents AGREED to let their kids be biopsied for no reason (or cash) then it's permissible? We can't have an ethical position on this if their parents decided FOR them that it presented an acceptable level of risk? Please. And for all the harping about complications from vaccination injections you'd think Wakefield's blind followers would know that EVERY INTERVENTION ENTAILS RISK. It's basic cost/benefit analysis you people CLEARLY don't understand. Please learn basic math!

[dilamister]

@sleepcity what is it that people are so scared for andrew wakefield to finish his research. He is a doctor and a scientist doing his job and asking questions. That is after all a scientists job. Just let him do his job. What are people so scared off?

[1jtbt1]

@dilamister The people are scared to find out that vaccines ARE harmful with all their toxins, and they don't want to live with the GUILT and wonder what seeds of distruction did they plant!

[sleepcity]

@1jtbt1 I'm sure "The people" will be terrified to learn about another "distruction" once you learn how to spell and speak coherently...If only you could communicate! Try Fox News? They have a lower standard....

[sleepcity]

@dilamister Not all doctors are competent. Wakefield caused his own career to go up in flames by his shady financial dealings and his scientific/academic dishonesty. Of course it's clear no amount of evidence would convince you that this is the case so why pretend you're having a conversation about it?

[Sophievdp]

ugh. that man is disgusting

[fireiciclespark]

Presumably you guys are outraged by GlaxoSmithkline's involuntary experiments on AIDS orphans?

[joannepsi]

@fireiciclespark Of course. But that's a completely different issue and is thus irrelevant to this discussion.

[fireiciclespark]

@joannepsi Why?

Relevance: Treatment of children. Experimentation on children. Callous disregard for children. And yet not one of you supposedly outraged by Wakefield's taking blood at a birthday party has a bad word to say about the Glaxo doing far worse.

FWIW I agree that Wakefield had a case to answer on this issue.

[sleepcity]

@fireiciclespark No, you're right: we're ALL (Youtube viewers with science degrees), COMPLETELY uncritical when large, for-profit pharmaceutical corporations do unethical things. It MUST be one or the other, right? Apparently somebody's never taken "Introduction to Logic." Just so you know and aren't embarrassed when other 19 year-old's point it out to you: it's called a "false dichotomy" or "false dilemma" fallacy. Look it up, genius. We'll wait till you catch up.

[mjr256]

Is that really the story you want to go with, that Brian Deer made it up without a shred of empirical evidence to back him up and that the editors of a major reputable newspaper chose to publish such a serious accusation without careful fact-checking? Really?

The GMC did did not even address the fraud charges, only the issue of whether he'd acted irresponsibly. Of course incompetence is the alternative explanation to fraud. Maybe you should go with that. It might keep Andy out of prison.

[sleepcity]

@vaccineshurtbabies Wrong on so many counts. What about the hundreds of other scientists who have attempted to confirm or reproduce Wakefield's bogus studies? What about the Nobel Prize one would undoubtedly win if one could prove a link? What about the fact that you're entertaining a wild, global conspiracy theory built on ignorance?

Paul Offit's book SHREDS this charlatan to pieces. Read it, and while you're at it familiarize yourself with basic high school biology.

[fireiciclespark]

@sleepcity As you know, many of us think his results *have* been replicated.

Paul Offit now thinks babies can safely have 100,000 vaccine shots. I don't consider him to be an objective commentator on this issue.

[sleepcity]

@fireiciclespark First, it doesn't matter that you "think" his results have been replicated. They actually have to be in you know...reality, which they haven't. Secondly considering Paul Offit went to school for 8+ years to become a doctor and has decades of professional experience in biomedical research and clinical care, I'm willing to bet that he knows JUST A LITTLE more about immunology than you do. Perhaps you're also a researchers? Immunologist? No? Didn't think so.

[dilamister]

@sleepcity Dr. Wakefeild's results have been reproduced five times in five different studies in five different countries. Offits a guy who's made millions last year on a vaccine he invented which has only been improved by something like 3 countries. Of course Offit hates Dr. Wakefeild's ideas. My dad once had an argument with Offit. He said something like "divorce rates continue to go up too does that mean it's caused by vaccines." He had the nerve to compare autism to someting you choose to get

[sleepcity]

@dilamister Where have they been reproduced. Name of journal, volume, issue/month, page number, lead authors. Let's hear it. You're supporting a delusion. Wakefield is a crank and a fraud. His article was RETRACTED. His medical license REVOKED. What's hard to understand about this? Science thrives on controversy...it just hates charlatans who fake their data and cling to ideological dogma over EVIDENCE. Too bad for you and Wakefield, eh?

[dormant111]

So on top of everything else this man has done we now know that he falsified the data in his study. Is anyone surprised?

He should be in jail.

[dilamister]

@dormant111 thats not true his data was not proven to be falsified. they tried him in court for fraud and he was not proven guilty of fraud

[sleepcity]

@dilamister When? Where? Once again (it always comes back to this, doesn't it?) "where's the evidence"?! Show me that he was sued for fraud and proven not guilty. At best that means...what? It means he took money to produce certain results, he lied about his conflicts of interest, he lied under further investigation, and all of his colleagues agreed to remove him from their midst. He's a crank, not a visionary. Visionaries don't lose their medical license because they're so ahead of the times...

[dilamister]

@sleepcity everyone keeps saying he was found guilty for fraud, i'm just pointing out that he was not found guilty for fraud. Just look at the GMC hearing. He did not take money to produce his results, the lancet paper was not funded by lab. All he did was question the safety of vaccines. Whats wrong with that if in the USA we have to give our kids something like 23 vaccines by the time there two.

[dilamister]

@sleepcity Even if the Lancet Papers were funded by LAB, how is that any different to what goes on on the vaccine approval boards. The Doctors on those boards can be vaccine inventors, can own stocks on vaccines. Thats biased so how is Dr. Wakefield any different from that if what you say is true which it isn't

[sleepcity]

@dilamister Thanks for confirming that you are immune (ba-doomp-kshhh!) to any evidence. You seem to want to conflate anecdote and promote an aura of conspiracy rather than demonstrate whatever your point is.

[mjr256]

Neither. They're just good science.

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[Yetti0]

Wakefield has moved to Texas...and placed "The Dixie Chicks" on his clinic board ROFL "THE DIXIE CHICKS"???????? He is a celebrity hound.

[Axirru]

hahahaha, that joke about making children faint and be sick made me laugh! (incredibly sarcastic). He's a moron, check up on him with some research.

[Heraldblog]

I'm not aware of any law against immunizing children with approved vaccines, but then again I don't live in the UK so I don't know your laws.

[autismdiva]

Oh yeah, Carmel. That's not your Andy making jokes on the video about children vomiting and fainting at a birthday party where he paid them for blood samples. And that's not the local jerks from the MIND and others laughing at his cruelty.

Poor Andy. Poor picked on Carmel.

What about the children that have been harmed by his stupid measles in the gut idea? You don't care about them, do you?

[sleepcity]

@autismdiva Amen! Bravo!

[vaccinesharmbabies]

My husband has been persecuted by extremely powerful forces for asking questions that his research findings made it morally and ethically essential for him to ask. I used to believe that this country was a bastion of academic integrity and intellectual freedom. So this whole sad process of attrition, isolation and vilification, on a very personal level, has sickened and disillusioned me.

Carmel Wakefield

[vaccinesharmbabies]

The endless stream of lies told by powerful people in positions of great public trust is horrifying.

Carmel Wakefield

[Heraldblog]

My understanding is that your husband is not being persecuted for asking questions. It's his conduct that has drawn scrutiny. What am I missing?

[vaccinesharmbabies]

Nobody cares about the children who are made ill, are maimed or killed by vaccines. They persecuted Wakefield because hs findings threatened the "safe and effective image" of the MMR vaccine. Also, Andrew had presumably asked the children's parents for permission to draw blood from them.  What's more criminal, drawing a blood sample or injecting babies and children with 3 live viruses, mercury, aluminum, MSG and assorted foreign protein including contaminants while vaccinatin them?

[Shortcake1966]

What is criminal about your husband taking blood off these children was the fact that they were well children at a birthday party- not laboratory volunteers!!! Shame on their parents also- did they realise that your husband had applied for a patent at the London patents office for a proposed single vaccine 9 months before announcing his research- not hoping to capitalise financially at all from his supposedly altruistic research then?!!!!