Im 19 im white and italian and i AGREE to what this man did. Serves tthat dumb bitch right. Marrige is a bond that should never be broken and if it is those who break it should be punished by death. Divorce kills the person whom doesnt want it so there for the one who wants it should be equally treated. KILLED.
So much for proving that muslin faith is good...he just made it worst with murdering his wife. What a fucken idiot! Thank goodness I'm not muslim.....and I thought my culture was bad.
Dirty animal, he should be beheaded as well evil scum fucking Paki Got to thank him for one thing though shows how they are dirty hypocrites, liars and woman killers Muzzie dogfucking apes
...Therefore, you may marry a second wife as long as you can do so without getting punished or bringing injury to yourself or others. In non-Muslim countries, the trials and temptations are greater than in Muslim ones and a man might find himself much better off with a second wife, since it will help him to avoid falling in adultery. It is a benefit for him and at the same time, it is not harmful to others. ...
...However, I advise my brother to be wise and consider the consequences of such a marriage, such as registering the children from that marriage under his name in official documents. And if he can solve this problem by attributing the new children to the first wife ,what would be the consequences? These matters need to be looked into by the person wishing to marry a second wife. And Allah knows best.”
@anotheronem Just letting you know your voice isn't really being heard on here. I didn't even read one of your comments but the amount of them is crazy. But hope you get what you're looking for, everyone knows this is a tragic story.
@anotheronem Wow.. That's funny because it literally cannot be racist. Islamic followers are not a race, and neither are Muslims. She is fighting a losing battle, good luck!
Well, thank you very much for your insightful comment. I learned something new and did not look at it that way. Each time she was saying I was racist? I thought well, I am for all peoples and befriended many of difference ethnic origin throughout my life.
My Best friend is Japanese. other examples: Black, indian, first nations, mexican, spanish, east west - . So, I was arguing a wrong defense all along.
Why is this video causing anti-Muslim sentiment. What this man did is no different than if a guy shot, stabbed or burned his wife to death. The point here is she's dead and he killed her and that's it. You people act as though nobody has ever killed their wife before.
Welcome islam to america guys.......i love the description *Police say a western New York television executive who sought to improve the image of Muslims in the media beheaded his wife after she filed for divorce.
This is why Muslims push for Sharia Law in America. They think they are back in the stone age where only men can make decisions and that makes it LAW. They call themselves educated and refined? Reality check PLEASE!
@Zalahblue Have you considered perhaps he committed this horrid crime not on his religion but because he is an evil person? Are you going to blame the countless cases of domestic violence/murder/child abuse etc in Christian societies by Christians on their religion? No you're not. So why automatically blame the religion. This man is pure scum, but not because he's a Muslim
@nupthatisit Yes, he's evil for sure. But, he wants to declare his Religious Laws, Sharia as his defense. It's allowed for men to divorce their wives legally by saying I divorce you three times., but the woman? It would be shameful to him and his family. Have you not studied any Islamic laws at all? It's barbaric at best. Did you actually watch the video? New York television executive who sought to improve the image of Muslims in the media beheaded his wife after she filed for divorce. (Feb. 17)
@Zalahblue Where did it say in the article he killed his wife for religious grounds? You're making assumptions here, not on, mate. Yes, I have studied Islam, I'm a secondary school teacher at a school with a 10% Arab population, and I'm specialising in multicultural education in my Masters degree. Where did you do your study of Islam, by watching Fox News? Where they preach the bulldust that every Muslim lives by Sharia law? Only the extremists live by it, the rest couldn't give a stuff.
Are you kidding? He beheaded his wife? because she wanted a divorce? hmmm, whether it is religious or not. Tell us how muslims view the role of a woman.
That might enlighten us. Men kill their wives at times, women kill their husbands at times too. It is a crime of passion or mental instability or a religious nut that thinks he owns his wife.
honour killings are well known in the muslim world, so sifting it out will be something else.
@holyfamily5 Where does it state that this action was endorsed by the Muslim community? The muslim community states that women can divorce their husbands. Is his actions indicative of following permissable behaviours in Muslim faith? No. If it was a Christian man who killed is wife for wanting a divorse, the average Muslim isn't going to sit back and think "Bloody Christians, look at the way they treat their women!" so why are you passing judgement on the actions of one Muslim who did wrong?
Hey and perhaps we can say, "bloody Christians" look at the way they treat their women. I have seen enough cases of domestic abuse in this area so we know it exists everywhere.
Problem: when a man says he can have more power and control over his wife that is a problem. She has power over herself. They can marry, but equal collaboration that benefits both of them works best.
@holyfamily5 Given the nature of your user name, not to mention the nature of your comments, am I to assume you believe that Christians are above any other religious group when it comes to matters regarding domestic violence? How sanctimonious of you!!! How about you do your research on the large numbers of people with so called Christian ideals who bash their wives? This case is not about religion, and for you to pass judgement on Muslims based on this is immoral and unethical.
You assume way too much from a few hundred word comment about me, my beliefs and understanding of the situation.
Islam seems to have many sects - I believe more than 72. Radical Islam exists and they do NOT permit their women to have rights equal to men and the subjucate their women.
So blanketing all Muslims, no I did not mean to imply that. My statement about men and women are capable of killing each other - was not directed solely to muslims.
And I made sure I used the word "religious" nut. Not isolating. However, those religious whom are known for honour killings exist.
As for Christians, aetheists, Jewish, or otherwise, they are ALL capable of domestic abuse and violence. And some women are violent too. But stats show majority of abusers are men. 10 times as many men kill their spouse as women. All related back to abuse.
There is no socio-economic-religious-ethnic boundary on abuse. It is very sad.
@holyfamily5 I work every day with members of the Muslim community, so yes, a lot of what you are telling me I know already, ie that there are several belief systems and such forth. Radical Islam does exist, as does several radical Christian groups (WBC, IRA, etc) but that does nothing to strengthen your point. You deny that you are not directing your comments solely to Muslims and yet you state "Honour killings are well known in the Muslim world" and "Tell us how Muslims view the role of women"
@holyfamily5 That indeed seems to me you singling out Muslims in this case, and yet you still haven't addressed my original question to you which was where does it state in this case that it was religion based? Given that this man had spent a lot of energy in his media career painting a positive image of Islam, there is still no evidence he killed his wife on religious grounds or that he was just an evil bastard. You've contradicted yourself with your own comments.
Did you read my comment or not? There is no hypocricy. Either this man is a muslim and killed his wife or not.
If I did not make a disclaimer so as to not include all muslims in my former statement, I corrected that and apologized. AND I reread my first comment and made a "religious" statement that encompasses any religion. I see him as a MURDERER of the worst kind because he killed someone who TRUSTED him.
I am not your student in school. I can clarify on this board and I did. For you to try to make me look prejudice is uncalled for.
If muslim laws or North American are different, then YOU know the difference. Go to visit some yt channels on the lovely admonitions of wife beating in Islam and so forth.
If anyone makes an assumption on a muslim (or CHRISTIAN) or otherwise for MURDERING their spouse - who CARES - because the animal who does this should be punished!
@holyfamily5 You then follow up in your latest comment by mentioning muslim wife bashing, after your so called "clarification" that religion has nothing to do with it. I'm not arguing that the man needs to be punished, there's no doubt that he should be. I'm wondering why his religion needed to be mentioned in the first place as I see it as completely irrelevent - he killed his wife, that's all that needs to be stated. Why the emphasis on his religion? Doesn't make it any more or less excusable
"And I made sure I used the word "religious" nut. Not isolating. However, those religious whom are known for honour killings exist.
As for Christians, aetheists, Jewish, or otherwise, they are ALL capable of domestic abuse and violence. And some women are violent too. But stats show majority of abusers are men. 10 times as many men kill their spouse as women. All related back to abuse.
There is no socio-economic-religious-ethnic boundary on abuse. It is very sad."
Nupthatisit says "Given that this man had spent a lot of energy in his media career painting a positive image of Islam, there is still no evidence he killed his wife on religious grounds or that he was just an evil bastard."
He spent a lot of energy painting a positive image of Islam?
Who is trying to subliminally send a message here. The two go hand in hand in this case.
Islam - does not normally separate LAW and CHURCH. So by your own declaration - his religion was him.
My comment about no boundaries on who will abuse =??? just means that anyone is capable, but still I stand by my earlier words that in this case religion should be mentioned, but I should have clarified of course that not all muslims are like this and maybe even gone further to say LESS muslims believe this - but why? Do they believe that a woman is a form of the rule of a man, brother, father? or not? religion and laws in Islam are one and the same.
@holyfamily5 There actually is hypocracy in your comments, when you stated in your first post comments such as muslims being renowned for "honour killings" as you put it and then state afterwards religion had nothing to do with it. This in fact renders your comment "let go of the muslim worry." YOU are the one who made the statement and your apology for lack of disclaimer doesn't cut it, there is still a massive hypocracy in your comments. Your first comment reveals your true beliefs
@nupthatisit Are you kidding? He beheaded his wife? because she wanted a divorce? hmmm, whether it is religious or not. Tell us how muslims view the role of a woman.
That might enlighten us. Men kill their wives at times, women kill their husbands at times too. It is a crime of passion or mental instability or a religious nut that thinks he owns his wife.
honour killings are well known in the muslim world, so sifting it out will be something else.
I don't give a damn what you think I said - it is clear enough to ME>
Is this statement true: honour killings are well known in the MUSLIM world?
and SIFTING it out will be SOMETHING else.
Because in North America honour killings happen.
Because RELIGIOUS nuts I said major religious names and did not isolate to Islam only at another point. Religious NUTS. So what - they EXIST, get over it.
@holyfamily5 Cases such as this are never clearly as black and white as you state. You're implying he beheaded his wife because he's a religious nut. And yet don't know the full picture. Beheading is pretty extreme. From my understanding he was promoting peaceful elements of Islam (and yes, the religion predominantly is peaceful) and yet he beheads his wife. A total contradiction. So ask yourself, do you know this man? Does he suffer mental illness, or had a psychotic episode? We don't know
@holyfamily5 So are you saying that her wanting a divorce from him was based on religion? Why else link that to the argument. I have already stated under Islamic law women can divorce their husbands and yet you keep asking "Tell us how muslims view the role of a woman." Do you even know any muslims? Or are you yet another person guilty of getting your "facts" from the media, which are predominantly racist? I work every day with Muslim people, 10% of the kids in the school I teach are arabic
@holyfamily5 I'm not excusing his actions, quite the contrary, but I'm saying a lot of it just simply doesn't make sense. And because it doesn't make sense, pigeonholing it based on media stereotypes on religion, wife bashers (you have to admit this goes way beyond standard domestic violence), etc, there are contractions left right and centre. Under the 12 pillars of Islam, women can divorce their husbands so you have clearly demonstrated a lack of knowledge there regarding the role of women.
@holyfamily5 All in all, I'm trying to get to the bottom of your motive - are you a campaigner against domestic violence, are you a Christian promoting your own faith, are you anti-Muslim who only knows what's been reported in the media, which is predominantly inaccurate and designed to set the agenda within western social values that Islam is bad, perhaps you can enlighten me on that, because all in all, your arguments are also contractory and don't make sense.
1. I know some muslims. I also have read reports of muslim women speaking out. Women might be able to divorce but she has to go through a form of tribunal. And there will be humiliation for the families. So there is a lot to try to avoid divorce. But I don;t know enough muslims and do realize the media. But yt has enough vidoes on how to beat wives and enough women or men who are exposing some parts of treatement of women. Lashing women in Saudi Arabia? etc.
@holyfamily5 Yes, your comments do bug the shit out of me, any post that blatantly demonises a group of people with comments that have no basis or merit, and is frankly racist in intent. Yes, I do see your comments as racist. Unlike you I do know enough Muslim people to know the differences between what western media and literature writes about them and what the actual case is. I work with Muslim people every day in my role as educator in a public school, where a substantial number (cont)
@holyfamily5 of our families and students are Arabic refugees. I speak with the parents of my students regularly, and know that what you are saying about the "roles of women" as you so succinctly put it, is a product of the lies perpetuated by western literature and media, with no other agenda but to set social values to demonise people of Islamic faith. And I see the emphasis to the religion in this article to be no different. The man is evil. But he is not evil because he is Muslim.
"any post that blatantly demonizes a group of people?" Again, anyone can read MY comment and know that I was doing no such thing. Now you are falsely accusing. I see enough wife beating teachings on youtube from Islamic traditions -
And KNOW there are enough good muslims.
But to PROMOTE wife beating - is to promote abuse.
That is NOT normal, so those refugees in AMERICA are fleeing that kind of stuff and making a better life for themselves.
I defend ALL people, ALL races, but if a religion promotes hurting women, then the root of their belief system CAN most certainly be questioned when such a murder takes place.
IF a Christian, Muslim, Jewish person or otherwise will commit a murder? those religions are supposed to be LOVING and PEACEFUL. So it has every bearing on looking at all aspects of a person. Especially one who PROMOTED ISLAM in his high profile public life.
If he commited a crime of passion or a crime according to his religious beliefs (twisted or not) that will come out in trials and in assimilating many news reports or interviews or court documents and not just reading ONE report.
I and others have EVERY right to examine faith obervances with people who commit murders.
Aetheists, jew, blacks, buddhists, christians, muslims - all get the same scrutiny when they KILL someone! There is no prejudice on my part!
AND - religious observance really comes into play when people publically claim to uphold and live religious convictions.
So on that note: A devout Catholic, Jew, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, or those in public authority, president, TEACHER, leader in any form - gets even MORE scrutiny because they are supposed to be above such things.
And if they were not exemplary, then their base is examined. They are actually held MORE accountable in the eye of the public.
@holyfamily5 I'm not asking you to be PC. I'm simply saying know the facts of what you're going on about and stop contracting yourself to justify your own racism
I also do NOT agree with the war and Canada grudgingly is in it and I am appalled at war. So why on earth are you harping on ME?
If you are working with refugees in schools and they tell their story of WAR, that is totally different than this discussion about an ignorant publically professed follower of Islam and promoting Islam.
Did you bother to read my comments or just want someone to spout at.
You do NOT make sense in this argument. I have enough information from variety of sources, including MUSLIMS because Vancouver B.C. is has the largest multicultural population in the world.
I also attended the largest University on the West Coast last year, and there is a sea of international students and multiculture is the name of the game here.
You seem to want to have a huge rant about everything. Things I have nothing to do with.
@holyfamily5 Then why dare preach to me what North America tolerates or not tolerates, or try to tell me that refugees are escaping their countries because of domestic violence when it's clearly not? You tell me I don't make sense, I have pointed out countless contractions in your arguments. Pot, kettle, black? and yes, I do think you are racist. For the reasons I have stated numerous times and am frankly getting sick of repeating.
I did not say refugees are escaping due to domestic violence? I say they are escaping due to the oppressions in those countries. Which can be war, home violence, sharia laws or whatever. 500 word commentary and you are picking apart things that I am not saying or implying to justify painting me as racists. I am not being racist to declare that Sharia law being upheld in predominantly muslim countries exists and it includes rules on disciplining (hitting) ones wife!
RACIST is when I don't call out all other ethnic or groups for their behaviour with women or their spouse.
I clarified that quite well.
As far as your own thought life? Sharia law does not have wife beating? or the Quaran ? and you do KNOW that many men in those countries abide by those laws.
The laws in North America or I am sure your country - do NOT have any law that allows for physical or humilating punishment of a wife.
I have had heated discussions with some American muslims telling people on youtube instructions for beating ones wife and that is something required to keep a wife in line. All the while quoting the Quaran.
They go on to say it will only be a light tap and not to hit her in the face and so forth. It is ridiculous and I call them out on that and say they are in America now and that law does NOT exist and they will be charged if they lay hands like that on their wives.
I recently had a heated discussion with a fellow from Australia - he comes home from drinking and slaps his wife around a bit - and she does not "forgive" him? And what is the big deal, she does things that bug him and he forgives her, so what is a few slaps. And yes, he was serious.
If a country (ies) insist on keeping their Sharia or Hadith law and the Quaran as their law for ruling people right into their bedrooms - then - those who harm will be examined when they beat or KILL their spouses.
If any country Christian, Buddhist, Hindu etc. keeps in their LAW books (that is served by a court justice system) conditions about how to PUNISH a wife? they are suspect.
It RUINS it for the good muslims, hindus, christians. See what I mean!
@holyfamily5 I don't know how many times I have to keep telling you that under Islamic law, it is not permissable to kill you spouse, and that this man's actions would not be seen as an allowable act, but you're so frigging ignorant you either ignore or don't accept that, because of your own racist views against Islam, instead insisting on prattling on about points completely irrelevant with this particular case to suit your own prejudices
Wow, -----------did you BOTHER reading all of my posts? I said any MAN (or even woman for that matter) no matter relgion or colour of skin can BEAT their spouse or kill.
But --- if a LAW exists in the Quaran and people abide by those laws - as in Hadith or Sharia laws, that beating a wife is permitted- which this MEDIA person spent his time devoted to ISLAM - then they are suspect. Beatings many times lead to out of control anger, which leads to KILLIING someone.
@holyfamily5 I know exactly what you have written and I find it staggering that time and time again, you say one thing (re including people from all culture groups in your example) but then without taking a breath harp on and on about Muslims. Your failure time and time again to see that is what I am attempting, clearly unsuccessfully, to draw your attention to. And you tell me I don't read all your posts.....
I NEVER once said that Islam ourtight permits killing ones spouse. Sharia and Hadith laws will align with the Quaran and in SOME Islamic countries they still allow killing of a spouse. Whether it is culture or religion or government is another story.
@nupthatisit my earlier words "I can say the SAME for Hindus, Pakistani's, Croatians, Russians, Italians, Scottish peoples, Vietnamese, And the list goes on. Vancouver and Toronto are the worlds multiculture pots.
Vancouver has over 35 distinct communities and cultural systems alone. And Canadians ALLOW them to fully present their culture and ideas here. But we do NOT allow them to bring archaic laws about inequality of peoples."
@holyfamily5 Just because you had an argument with a Muslim who advocated beating his wife doesn't mean all Muslims believe that. There are several Christians who beat their wives too. Are you going to say all Christians advocate it? You're incredibly ignorant if you think that that is a good example to use
@holyfamily5 If you analyse the Quran for quotes regarding inhumane acts then one must also analyse the Bible, which states children must be killed for swearing at parents, people must be killed if they don't have perfect eyesight, not to mention those who dare to have been born homosexual. You keep implying that Muslims advocate violence against women WHEN THE OPPOSITE IS THE CASE. Racism, btw, is when one denigrates other cultures, religions, skin colour, etc to make your own look superior
The Judaic traditions of the OT, is carried in Islam, Christianity. We all know that. And the OT as far as I am concerned should be placed under a glass with lock and key as ANCIENT bronze age man history and NEVER be used as part of a guide for religion.
@holyfamily5 Your comment re the OT being carried in all regions is also noted, as is your further comment that it should be locked away forever I do agree with. If you had knowledge of Sharia law and modern interpretations of Islam, you would note that that is also agreed upon in those circles. There are, not just in Islam but in other religions as well, a move towards banishing a lot of those old theories and philosophies. If you want to pick on a religion for that, then perhaps catholicism?
@holyfamily5 Your precise quote was "But to PROMOTE wife beating - is to promote abuse. That is NOT normal, so those refugees in AMERICA are fleeing that kind of stuff and making a better life for themselves." Are you now disagreeing that what you implied is that refugees are seeking asylum outside their country because of domestic violence???? You need to check what you type before you type it if you meant something else.
Fleeing that "Kind of stuff" does not mean that wife beating is the ONLY thing they are fleeing?
Are you really a teacher with English as a first language, because you need to read all my posts again and start seeing what I am saying.
Let a University professor examine my words and see what they say, because MY University Professors might say I need help in articulating a point, but no one else would read my posts and say I am being racist!
Whatever you are thinking - does not exist within me.
I was one of the first in our ALL WHITE schools to embrace peoples from other nations.
I was mistaken for a native child (I have very dark skin) and prejudiced against both in actions and words, so that I almost failed a grade (even though I managed almost B - A average all my school years) -
That was my EARLY lesson in life to NOT be prejudice about other cultures or skin colours.
Finally for now - I am NOT preaching to you, whatever makes you think that, not sure.
And...what nationality are you? Some high profile Canadian muslims are lobbying to have SHARIA law instituted as a SECOND court system in Canada. I suggest you read the Sharia law books and then come back and post, why we get worried.
WE know there are many peaceful Canadian law abiding muslims, but NOT ALL are.
I can say the same for Hindus, Pakistani's, Croatians, Russions, Italians, Scottish peoples, Vietnamese, And the list goes on. Vancouver and Toronto are the worlds multiculture pots.
Vancouver has over 35 distinct communities and cultural systems alone. And Canadians ALLOW them to fully present their culture and ideas here. But we do NOT allow them to bring archaic laws about inequality of peoples.
Maybe I discuss more than one thing in each post, but that is my position.
@holyfamily5 Vancouver has 35 different cultures and is therefore one of the world's most multicultural pots? Wow, get over yourself! In Australia we have around 400 different cultures and languages, around 45% of our citizens are born overseas. You really need to be a lot less insular and ignorant, my friend.
HUH? I never denied that other countries have mulitculturism - I said that Vancouver and Toronto have the largest DISTINCT multiculture communities in the world.
That means they are ALLOWED freedom of expression to a certain point and even they encroach on our laws at times.
I never denied other countries have similar. So not sure where you are even coming from.
400 different cultures?name them all please, because ethnic groups within each religion or culture exist.
@holyfamily5 Just because you have been to Australia doesn't mean you know jack shit about the place. I'm not presuming to know what the society makeup is in Canada, so I would appreciate you not presuming to know what the situation is in Australia. I live in a town of 5000 people, we a multicultural mix of many languages and cultures, including Arabic, Aboriginal, Italian, Spanish, Phillipino, New Zealand, Chinese. Indian, African, Canadian...so no, not just in large cities as you wrongly state
@holyfamily5 I'm not in the business of repeating myself, because you have an inert ability to comprehend points, but many of your claims you have brought up I have already addressed. Shame you lack the cognitive skills to understand them
@nupthatisit "repeat post. "Whatever you are thinking - does not exist within me.
I was one of the first in our ALL WHITE schools to embrace peoples from other nations. I was mistaken for a native child (I have very dark skin) and prejudiced against both in actions and words, so that I almost failed a grade (even though I managed almost B - A average all my school years) -
That was my EARLY lesson in life to NOT be prejudice about other cultures or skin colours."
@holyfamily5 Explain how this is a "cry me" mode, when I am merely pointing out inconsistencies in your arguments. I'm not twisting any of your words, I can't be held responsible if you have an innate inability to clearly state your words. I call it as I see it, and from where I see it, you are inarticulate in arguing your points. That is not a "cry me" mode, as you put it. I'm not sitting here wallowing in a "Oh woe is me" fashion. All I'm doing is picking holes in your case, which are many
What is your nationality? You don't even acknowledge any of my posts that clarify all forms of peoples who commit abuse. Instead you have written so many twisted versions of what I said? now you blame me.
Anyway, as far as I am concerned you are advocating for saying NOTHING about muslim people when one mentions a killing or abuse.
I am saying muslim, hindu, white person, we want to KNOW the root of the problem so we cover ALL bases.
you said" As I have stated this particular case is beyond the issues of wife beating - beheading is not a simple matter of wife bashing. These people are not refugees to escape wife bashing you IGNORAMOUS, they are escaping political genocides, which has gotten WORSE since YOUR country invaded them. I WORK WITH REFUGEES EVERY DAY. I hear stories from my students that no children should never see. An example is from one boy who witnessed soldiers in his home slaughtering his uncle and cousins"
"If you analyse the Quran for quotes regarding inhumane acts then one must also analyse the Bible, which states children must be killed for swearing at parents, people must be killed if they don't have perfect eyesight, not to mention those who dare to have been born homosexual. You keep implying that Muslims advocate violence against women WHEN THE OPPOSITE IS THE CASE. Racism, btw, is when one denigrates other cultures, religions, skin colour, etc to make your own look superior"
@holyfamily5 If you have to ask my nationality then that is proof you haven't been reading my comments, my dear, not that there is any relevance to it, but for the record, yet again, I am Australian. My sole purpose in this exchange is highlight the unnecessary need of mentioning this man's religion in this instance when it is quite clearly irrelevant, as mentioned numerous times. I am not forcing PC (BTW in my experience this is one thing racists always accuse people of) or advocating religion
So sorry that you seem so offended. In this way perhaps you a muslim. So that is why I am continuing with this conversation. If not, I made a mistake. But we have so much PC even in Canada that our own rights over being overruled. Go back to the beginning.
If this man who beheaded his wife has strong belief in Islam and believes wife beating is fine - then his religious edicts will be questioned. Sorry YOU don't see it that way.
@holyfamily5 Again you are accusing me of twisting your words. You stated them, my friend, not me. You are one minute saying anyone of any religion can be capable of "wife bashing" (even though this is way beyond wife bashing). But then you berate Islam (BTW I'm not Muslim, if that's what you're implying. I agree this man is evil, but he's not evil because he's Muslim, he's evil because he's mentally disturbed enough to behead his wife. Not quite sure what part of that you don't understand.
You did twist my words or concept more than a few times. I heard you say Australian - I am Canadian with Scottish, Irish English heritiage. so if the Scottish people have law that allow beating a wife, and Scottish man kills his wife, one looks to that.
beating a wife is abuse and gets carried away. if a man has PERMISSION to beat his wife it goes unchecked? This can lead to murder. WE look to that LAW - if it is ISLAMIC then it gets examined! in this particular murder.
In this case the Islamic community - in more than one news report - stated he had two other wives and those women divorced due to domestic abuse. But if Islam does NOT call this domestic abuse?
That community regrets not scrutinizing this man more.
Wife beating laws allow wife beaters (abusers) to be overlooked. Until they flip one day and kill.
So if he was just a nice guy and just flipped one day, I might agree with you, but in this case lots of evidence that this is premediated.
If one studies how abuse works it is a slow building fuse and honeymoon cycles. The man starts fantasizing about entrapping his wife to have an excuse to beat her.
Abuse studies allow us to know these cycles. And if a man can get away with it? how much worse would it get.
Anyway, I did NOT read any news reports other than this video. I then backtracked to make sure I had read enough varied reports to get the story.
@holyfamily5 Again you fail at comprehending the simplest of concepts. Muslims DON'T allow bashing, or in this case, beheading of spouses. I've stated that again and again and again and again.
ANY form of physical abuse is the Precursor to BASHING or BEHEADING.
IT is all relative. If their laws say it is o.k. to hit a wife - that is one step from "BASHING" -----and "BASHING" leads to more abuse and anger cycles, which eventually leads to BEHEADING. All relative.
Not all beatings lead to beheading. But ALL beheadings by a HUSBAND who is SANCTIONED to BEAT his wife by a law - more than likely has a root in that original beatings - got carried away.
" Aasiya Hassan filed for divorce February 6, police said, and Muzzammil Hassan was served with divorce papers at the station. That night, he showed up at the couple's home, she notified authorities, and he was served with a restraining order.
Police had responded to several domestic violence calls at the couple's address, but no one was arrested, Orchard Park Police Chief Andrew Benz said Tuesday." CNN news
Several news channels provide similar information. The journalism in above video -shows that beheading along with the body left in a public place is a strong indication of "honour killing".
Aasiya Zubair Hassan was heard saying she feared her husband by more than a few people.
Domestic abuse proof? - ask the POLICE for their reports. I think you can do the rest of the search on this case yourself and defend him all you want! We will defend HER!
@holyfamily5 OK great, you've provided evidence of domestic violence in this case, I accept that. I still don't accept though that religion has anything do with it. So the MEDIA stated it was an honour killing. Woop de do. The Media, particularly commercial media in a number of countries, has proven time and time again to be overly prejudiced of Islamic issues - it's called agenda setting function theory and gatekeeping used effectively as a tool of media influence against a culture group.
We believe that media has a large role in how any case or story is presented.
But PC in NA is now so bad, that no one is allowed to comment on the obvious at times for fear of reprisal for being racist or against ethnic groups. . Perhaps in Australia it has not got that far.
To the point whereby white/christian people are free for all bashing in public, but don't dare say one word about anyone elses ethinicity or religion for fear someone will scream victim due to race or religion.
Why can one not state the obvious? So be careful that your country does not fall into that trap is all.
We should be good to others, but not to point of eroding our own rights, ie prayers in schools, turbans in police force, no christianity allowed in public, and parades about discontent of mulitculturals that people bring their conflicts to Canadian soil for public display. OR Islam: some muslims lobbying for a TWO standard court justice system in Canada. Sharia LAW - Scary!
Caucasians (Europeans for most part) made huge errors in colonialization of countries in the world. Or mistakes in treatement of indigenous and those not the same culture or colour.
That is not disputed.
But if you came to Canada, you would see the reprecussions of appeasing those different to manners which take away our own rights.
Muslims - majority here- good. But some - just like radicals in Sikh, Hindu etc. they are not adapting to our country, they want more rights than others.
I said" but some - just like radicals in Sikh, Hindu etc, they are not adapting to our country".
Which defines them as HINDUS and SIKHS, which are their own followings.
Calling me down? perhaps this digital environment leaves something to be desired. But HINDUS and SIKHS are well known for their CONFLICT with EACH other. That is why I chose that group to compare to SOME muslims who do not adapt.
I did not respond to your other posts. I responded only to: your statement:
"Hindus are not muslims, you ignoramus!!!!"
Hmm, let us examine this digital style. YOU IGNORAMUS !!!!.
in my world this is an INSULT. Adding 4 (four) exclamation marks, makes it an official INSULT!!!!
AT that point, I really do not want to discuss anything further with you. You "appear" arrogant. If you are not then you prove you are not in future comments.
@anotheronem Awww, diddums, would you like the world's smallest violin? Why butt into a discussion if you don't want a response back? That to me sounds like arrogance. Still, I'll let you go to your corner and sulk like a little cry baby.
Whoa, what is your problem? IGNORAMUS? cry baby? wow. Grow up. you may experience many peace loving muslims - great stuff. So do we.
But, Many muslim or hindu or sikh immigrants to :North America, England, Holland want to bring their way of life to the new country and they also want to change the laws here to reflect such things.
Including many being offended by Christian prayers and customs etc.
Hope you recognize the problems that could arise, but if not, you have been warned.
@anotheronem Okay, so why is multiculturalism working in Australia and not in the countries you mentioned? Perhaps those countries need to look at the multiculturalism policies set by their respective governments and evaluate what it is about them that isn't working. It works in Australia because Australia has made them feel welcome through policy making and such forth. We don't place laws to ban burqas and such forth, and people of other faiths are not offended or demanding of their ways.
Ah, good, so you don't have problem with identification of a government official wanting to see face of woman with veil covering yet.
You don't have to payout millions for someone detained oversees, a little slip? of an immigrant in the detainee complications of the middle east right now.
You won't have to worry about men wearing turbans instead of safety hard hats at work.
You won't have to worry about your prayers or pagents being thrown out of schools because they might offend.
You won't have to worry about parades with effigy's burning of peoples in conflicts from their homelands. Bringing internal conflict to your country that has nothing to do with your country.
I am so happy that you all figured out how to integrate Islam with Christianity.
Or that no one is lobbying your government for Sharia law as a separate court system.
I guess those who immigrate get no special monies or considerations over and above Australians either.
You will have to show the world your prototype for integration of Islam and Christianity. That will be good to see, or the other multiculturals who do not displace the citizens of your country for work efforts or tax monies and they just "fit right in".
Other than indigenous, we were all immigrants at one time in North America, Australia etc. Difference with majority of those early immigrants, they WORKED for their land and country before they got benefits and privileges.
@anotheronem Oh, my lord, what a diatribe. Around 5% of Muslims wear full burqas. There has been the odd right wing nut who has demanded a burqa ban, but the majority of us are accepting, and the discussions don't progress, simply because we see it as human rights issue to ban them. Muslims here don't demand getting rid of Christian festivals in schools, and in fact schools who made the decision to ban them offended Muslims because they didn't demand them - political correctness gone overboard
That is very good. I guess you don't have the same problems as your neighbour, New Zealand, with child brides. Or a young girl having to marry her rapists. Child Brides in New Zealand. TVNZ has a 3 part new documentary series on this very disturbing issue. It is on youtube.
But the muslims in Australia? They are all pure and innocent, I suppose. It is a very hush hush thing in muslim communities. I would check behind those burquas, even ONE child bride is one too many.
Canada was very tolerant at first too. Canada bent over backward for all immigrants. Lets make them feel so at home, they will still feel they are at home. But it went to their heads.
But more: they wanted their laws to be sanctioned in Canada. ie = head coverings, burquas, sanctioned wife beating, and women subservient to men etc. That is HOW many muslim (shia, sunni, etc) cultures are.
"During an open day at Sydney's Lakemba Mosque at the weekend, the Australian Islamic Mission's president, Dr Zachariah Matthews, called for aspects of sharia law to function as a parallel legal system.
His comments have sparked concerns that doing so would introduce a penal system under which women could be stoned to death for adultery and corporal punishment handed out for other offences."
@anotheronem You obviously then haven't read Dr Zachariah Matthew's statement on the Australian Islamic Mission's website, where he states how journalists misconstrued his comments, in particular he quote in the statement "Shariah law is not high on the agenda of Australian Muslims" and that the only aspect of Shariah law Muslims was interested in in Australia, and has been granted, is the Government regulation in Halal food practices. Right wing media setting agenda at work, my friend.
A man can divorce his wife? by what method? Some can do it over their cell phones? is this true?
Sharia law? or hadith law? sunnis are NOT Shias btw.
And -------why do we see so many videos on YOUTUBE alone advocating the RULES of wife beating according to the Quaran? Anyway, stay in your world, and for sure I hope some Aussies enlighten you.
Do NOT have the audacity to speak for WOMEN. YOU fail at that miserably!
@anotheronem Also interesting how you missed quotes like "We are not calling on the introduction of penal system which calls for cutting off hands." The ASPECTS he is referring to is to do with CIVIL aspects, ie inheritance "as long as it doesn't conflict with existing civil systems." He ALSO acknowledged that there is little chance of it happening because "We are here to respect Australian laws." The discussion was also in a Q&A session, NOT on his agenda for his speech, ie put on the spot.
Do you know what inheritance issues they are discussing? As for the other issues with face covering, and other muslims who are advocates of keeping women subservient to the point of them not having rights,
ie child brides.
Not all muslims are alike, true - sharia, sunni - hadith laws etc.
You sound like Justin Trudeau right now. Lets not use the term" honour killings" are barbaric, and use more NEUTRAL sounding words?
I tolerate LOTS - I don't tolerate women or children being harmed - and if a law in a religion dictates beatings or restrictions are to be meted out against women, then they are SUSPECT until they start RECINDING those laws and getting them off the books.
Sunni law of inheritance (as far as I understand) is a woman gets 1/3 and man gets 2/3. It might be different with each muslim sect.
That is unfair - yes. But I would LOVE to see them RECIND laws about beating wives etc.
Some Sunni muslims (check out Indonesias laws) advocate cutting off hands. Many do not follow Sharia form. It might not be a topic if it already exists in some muslim codes.
The whole of Muslim Sharia or Hadith or etc laws do NOT belong in our countries.
That is why they MOVED away to embrace the NEW country and laws and way of life.
Lets see how NZ makes out exposing the child brides having to marry their rapist. You guys keep your heads in the sand, that is a great way to be!
And maybe 80% of the muslims in Australia are great and do not abide by those old laws. Good.
But what about the 20% in some way or form are practicing things against women or their lawful rights in many aspects - ie child brides.
Veils are a form of a permanent masking of the face & identity. It has nothing to do with FAITH.
Veils are indoctrinated forms of clothing . women are denigrated or even punished if they do not comply. After a while, they believe the stuff they are fed.
I suggest any man _ especially a white man - wear a veil and full body clothing for one year in all things they undertake publically.
Then come back and post who wonderful and great those muslim women are for obeying their" religion" believing they are being dutiful to their husbands and souls.
Women cannot FUNCTION in that wardrobe, it restricts them in many ways. And more than you, nor I can comprehend. But that is the SOLE purpose - to RESTRICT a woman from LIVING!
I could care a less about worrying about MEDIA misrepresenting anything.
I live in REAL life. I see what I see, I am a woman. I know what would severely restrict me in my life. I know how bad some marriages or families are with real abuse. And we are a free country with full womens rights.
I have a friend in Dubai right now. She is in the luxury section - teaching-. They are trying to 'PUT ON" a new face to the world. But the MUSLIM men still treat women poorly for the most part.
@anotheronem You say SOME Sunni Muslims advocate it. Most Indonesians are followers of the modernist Sunni which have actually rejected those aspects of Sharia law, as have the majority of Sunni Muslims around the world. Indonesia, which has the largest Muslim population in the world and of which Muslim is the mainreligion (but also has Christians, Confusiocism, Hindus, Buddhists), states in their constitution "all persons have the right to worship according to their own religion or belief".
You should read further - only 6 major religions are allowed. The others are NOT allowed and are only classified as social groups and cannot get proper registration to hold worship services etc. But that is in Indonesia, NOT in Australia. But something to think about.
You never responded to the problem NZ is having or other countries.
Do you know that other countries - WERE VERY ACCEPTING and tolerant of those peoples. and before one knows it....
@anotheronem Show me a CREDIBLE source of that story - google searches lead me to a TVNZ story (given that TVNZ is owned by Murdoch's right winged News Corp, funding of the Tea Party in USA, and subject to numerous breaches of broadcasting codes of practices for their populist and tabloid stories with exaggerated angles for agenda setting function processes) and anti-Muslim websites, I've not seen anything credible.
@anotheronem Statement from the Federation of Islamic Associations of New Zealand - "New Zealand Muslims do not condone nor practice such underage marriage and, moreover, the position and instructions of FIANZ Religious Advisors are unequivocal in rejection of such act. New Zealand law does not allow underage marriage and Muslim marriage celebrants are fully aware and would never associate themselves with such crime. In the absence of any evidence to the claim in the story, (cont.)
@anotheronem "IANZ cautions those behind it to desist from seeking cheap popularity by associating acts of misdemeanour with the Muslim community who, over the years, have maintained an excellent record as law abiding citizens of this country. If anyone is breaking the law of the land then relevant authorities should take appropriate action. FIANZ expresses extreme disappoint in outrageous claims of underage marriages in some communities made by some social service providers. Dr Anwar Ghani"
@anotheronem@anotheronem I should point out that TVNZ are under investigation by New Zealand's government broadcasting regulators for inaccurate reporting on this article. I think by now it's about time you stopped your ill-informed, inaccurate, misguided and frankly out and out racist diatribe, don't you?
Ah, that is always how it works with controversial EXPOSITIONS. Michael Moore has the same problem. But once images or evidences are in peoples minds. Even one or two victims is sufficient. It is people like you who would squash real journalism to paint rosy pictures of ALL people at the expense of those who get harmed.
FIANZ is an UNBIASED group? As in the Catholic Church was unbiased in trying to explain away priest sex abuse? Don't delude yourself.
@anotheronem OMG, use common sense. There are never unbiased groups in such discourse. Everyone has some sort of agenda. You, for example, are extremely biased against Muslims. FIANZ are merely pointing out the obvious facts that New Zealand laws (which do not recognise Shariah law, I might add) do not allow underage marriage, so how do you expect such marriages to be recognised? Muslim communities all abide by local laws like any other citizen.
islam .. the religion of peace ... and repsect for women
oriocoookie 2 months ago 2
Fucking disgrace to Islam
Palestine787 2 months ago
What did she due to drive him to do this? Must have been a horrible wife that we are not aware of.
QuirkyGengar 3 months ago
@QuirkyGengar "do" Typo fixed.
QuirkyGengar 3 months ago
behead his penis
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 3 months ago
Im 19 im white and italian and i AGREE to what this man did. Serves tthat dumb bitch right. Marrige is a bond that should never be broken and if it is those who break it should be punished by death. Divorce kills the person whom doesnt want it so there for the one who wants it should be equally treated. KILLED.
EastCowstEnt 4 months ago
D@mn Muslims
DolittleMccoy 5 months ago
@DolittleMccoy what's Muslims have to do with 1 guy.
MobHeataEnt 5 months ago
looks like this muslim ran out of goats to kill XD
thevaultboy3000 5 months ago
FUQING MUSLIM DickHead.. religion of peace, my ASS!
tackN2Wind 5 months ago
Tragic. But this is so ironical, guy who wanted to use media to improve image of muslims beheaded his own wife for filing divorce. Sick F$%K.
uknichu 6 months ago 3
omg its their culture stop being intolerant you racists!!
...no but seriously lets send them back
RSVJosephV 6 months ago
"Hasen" is liberal pro-muslim news reporter speak for, "HASSAN".
herbiesnerd 6 months ago
So much for proving that muslin faith is good...he just made it worst with murdering his wife. What a fucken idiot! Thank goodness I'm not muslim.....and I thought my culture was bad.
lindaxiongsta 6 months ago
wtf? that was the least he can do after what she did!
pikachuthesquirtle 7 months ago
i would cut her head off too.....
REDTEAM22003 7 months ago
too many short sentences!!! omg learn to use conjunctions and transitional words!
justintzou 7 months ago
Ha, the idiot cuts off his wifes head and want people to think positive about Islam!!
Duck4212 8 months ago
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Till Death do you part....
kalanzo2k1 9 months ago
well hopefully he will get all the love he wants in prison
SuperSayien2k8 9 months ago 16
@SuperSayien2k8 lol yeah butt love
dennis12879 7 months ago
a dead muzzie is a good one
mrblurblur2003 9 months ago
@mrblurblur2003 cunt
FallschirmjagerElite 9 months ago
Dirty animal, he should be beheaded as well evil scum fucking Paki Got to thank him for one thing though shows how they are dirty hypocrites, liars and woman killers Muzzie dogfucking apes
TheDerUKSS 9 months ago 2
what does 9/11 have to do with this? who would actually know who did it except for the ones wqho did
localSickened 9 months ago
@localSickened the people they told
MatthewCrump99 8 months ago
So much for building bridges of peace.
Prant3ra 9 months ago
...Therefore, you may marry a second wife as long as you can do so without getting punished or bringing injury to yourself or others. In non-Muslim countries, the trials and temptations are greater than in Muslim ones and a man might find himself much better off with a second wife, since it will help him to avoid falling in adultery. It is a benefit for him and at the same time, it is not harmful to others. ...
anotheronem 10 months ago
...However, I advise my brother to be wise and consider the consequences of such a marriage, such as registering the children from that marriage under his name in official documents. And if he can solve this problem by attributing the new children to the first wife ,what would be the consequences? These matters need to be looked into by the person wishing to marry a second wife. And Allah knows best.”
anotheronem 10 months ago
@anotheronem Just letting you know your voice isn't really being heard on here. I didn't even read one of your comments but the amount of them is crazy. But hope you get what you're looking for, everyone knows this is a tragic story.
TheEmparode 10 months ago
@TheEmparode
Actually, I am debating with another person. Thanks for your concern.
I know it is a tragic story, but the person I am debating with, insists it is racist to mention the word muslim or Islam while discussing this video.
But, the killer was a CEO and founder of a TV station to promote positive impression of Islam.
She insists one cannot try to question if it is an "honour killing".
And so it goes. I am not worried if anyone reads. It is between her and I.
anotheronem 10 months ago
@anotheronem Wow.. That's funny because it literally cannot be racist. Islamic followers are not a race, and neither are Muslims. She is fighting a losing battle, good luck!
TheEmparode 10 months ago
@TheEmparode
Well, thank you very much for your insightful comment. I learned something new and did not look at it that way. Each time she was saying I was racist? I thought well, I am for all peoples and befriended many of difference ethnic origin throughout my life.
My Best friend is Japanese. other examples: Black, indian, first nations, mexican, spanish, east west - . So, I was arguing a wrong defense all along.
Very good observation! thanks eh!
anotheronem 10 months ago
Why is this video causing anti-Muslim sentiment. What this man did is no different than if a guy shot, stabbed or burned his wife to death. The point here is she's dead and he killed her and that's it. You people act as though nobody has ever killed their wife before.
mymovienerd 10 months ago
Welcome islam to america guys.......i love the description *Police say a western New York television executive who sought to improve the image of Muslims in the media beheaded his wife after she filed for divorce.
Disturbedfan009 11 months ago
I hate humanity. it disgusts me.
laureninwonderland1 1 year ago 2
Before I clicked on this, I was 99% sure that he was muslim.
StevenDeedle 1 year ago
This is why Muslims push for Sharia Law in America. They think they are back in the stone age where only men can make decisions and that makes it LAW. They call themselves educated and refined? Reality check PLEASE!
Zalahblue 1 year ago
@Zalahblue Have you considered perhaps he committed this horrid crime not on his religion but because he is an evil person? Are you going to blame the countless cases of domestic violence/murder/child abuse etc in Christian societies by Christians on their religion? No you're not. So why automatically blame the religion. This man is pure scum, but not because he's a Muslim
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@nupthatisit Yes, he's evil for sure. But, he wants to declare his Religious Laws, Sharia as his defense. It's allowed for men to divorce their wives legally by saying I divorce you three times., but the woman? It would be shameful to him and his family. Have you not studied any Islamic laws at all? It's barbaric at best. Did you actually watch the video? New York television executive who sought to improve the image of Muslims in the media beheaded his wife after she filed for divorce. (Feb. 17)
Zalahblue 1 year ago
@Zalahblue Where did it say in the article he killed his wife for religious grounds? You're making assumptions here, not on, mate. Yes, I have studied Islam, I'm a secondary school teacher at a school with a 10% Arab population, and I'm specialising in multicultural education in my Masters degree. Where did you do your study of Islam, by watching Fox News? Where they preach the bulldust that every Muslim lives by Sharia law? Only the extremists live by it, the rest couldn't give a stuff.
nupthatisit 1 year ago
@nupthatisit
Are you kidding? He beheaded his wife? because she wanted a divorce? hmmm, whether it is religious or not. Tell us how muslims view the role of a woman.
That might enlighten us. Men kill their wives at times, women kill their husbands at times too. It is a crime of passion or mental instability or a religious nut that thinks he owns his wife.
honour killings are well known in the muslim world, so sifting it out will be something else.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
@holyfamily5 Where does it state that this action was endorsed by the Muslim community? The muslim community states that women can divorce their husbands. Is his actions indicative of following permissable behaviours in Muslim faith? No. If it was a Christian man who killed is wife for wanting a divorse, the average Muslim isn't going to sit back and think "Bloody Christians, look at the way they treat their women!" so why are you passing judgement on the actions of one Muslim who did wrong?
nupthatisit 11 months ago
@nupthatisit
Hey and perhaps we can say, "bloody Christians" look at the way they treat their women. I have seen enough cases of domestic abuse in this area so we know it exists everywhere.
Problem: when a man says he can have more power and control over his wife that is a problem. She has power over herself. They can marry, but equal collaboration that benefits both of them works best.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
@holyfamily5 Given the nature of your user name, not to mention the nature of your comments, am I to assume you believe that Christians are above any other religious group when it comes to matters regarding domestic violence? How sanctimonious of you!!! How about you do your research on the large numbers of people with so called Christian ideals who bash their wives? This case is not about religion, and for you to pass judgement on Muslims based on this is immoral and unethical.
nupthatisit 11 months ago
@nupthatisit
You assume way too much from a few hundred word comment about me, my beliefs and understanding of the situation.
Islam seems to have many sects - I believe more than 72. Radical Islam exists and they do NOT permit their women to have rights equal to men and the subjucate their women.
So blanketing all Muslims, no I did not mean to imply that. My statement about men and women are capable of killing each other - was not directed solely to muslims.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
@nupthatisit
And I made sure I used the word "religious" nut. Not isolating. However, those religious whom are known for honour killings exist.
As for Christians, aetheists, Jewish, or otherwise, they are ALL capable of domestic abuse and violence. And some women are violent too. But stats show majority of abusers are men. 10 times as many men kill their spouse as women. All related back to abuse.
There is no socio-economic-religious-ethnic boundary on abuse. It is very sad.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
@holyfamily5 I work every day with members of the Muslim community, so yes, a lot of what you are telling me I know already, ie that there are several belief systems and such forth. Radical Islam does exist, as does several radical Christian groups (WBC, IRA, etc) but that does nothing to strengthen your point. You deny that you are not directing your comments solely to Muslims and yet you state "Honour killings are well known in the Muslim world" and "Tell us how Muslims view the role of women"
nupthatisit 11 months ago
@holyfamily5 That indeed seems to me you singling out Muslims in this case, and yet you still haven't addressed my original question to you which was where does it state in this case that it was religion based? Given that this man had spent a lot of energy in his media career painting a positive image of Islam, there is still no evidence he killed his wife on religious grounds or that he was just an evil bastard. You've contradicted yourself with your own comments.
nupthatisit 11 months ago
@nupthatisit
Um, let go of the muslim worry. I apologise if I did not make a disclaimer that not all muslins are like this.
As far as I am concerned as I said from the beginning, I don't know if this is a religious killing.
That he KILLED her is all we need to know to know he is an evil bastard.
I don't give a damn that he was painting positive image of Islam, he killed his wife, so that makes him evil. The end.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
@holyfamily5 That frankly doesn't excuse your hypocracy, which you have not provided an adequte explanation for.
nupthatisit 11 months ago
@nupthatisit @nupthatisit
Did you read my comment or not? There is no hypocricy. Either this man is a muslim and killed his wife or not.
If I did not make a disclaimer so as to not include all muslims in my former statement, I corrected that and apologized. AND I reread my first comment and made a "religious" statement that encompasses any religion. I see him as a MURDERER of the worst kind because he killed someone who TRUSTED him.
Quit hounding me about something I corrected.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
I am not your student in school. I can clarify on this board and I did. For you to try to make me look prejudice is uncalled for.
If muslim laws or North American are different, then YOU know the difference. Go to visit some yt channels on the lovely admonitions of wife beating in Islam and so forth.
If anyone makes an assumption on a muslim (or CHRISTIAN) or otherwise for MURDERING their spouse - who CARES - because the animal who does this should be punished!
holyfamily5 11 months ago
@holyfamily5 You then follow up in your latest comment by mentioning muslim wife bashing, after your so called "clarification" that religion has nothing to do with it. I'm not arguing that the man needs to be punished, there's no doubt that he should be. I'm wondering why his religion needed to be mentioned in the first place as I see it as completely irrelevent - he killed his wife, that's all that needs to be stated. Why the emphasis on his religion? Doesn't make it any more or less excusable
nupthatisit 11 months ago
RELIGION NEEDS to be mentioned. It is YOU who wants to squash my voice. I did not mean to IMPLY all muslims are like this perhaps a minority are.
I say he is a religious NUT, because he was a PROMOTER of ISLAM, so how can he be following the peaceful part of Islam if he kills his wife?
This is a public board for opinions and a limiting medium at that, and you stated YOUR opinion, that I should NOT mention any religion?
If it was a CHRISTIAN fundamentalists - I would NAME that TOO!
holyfamily5 11 months ago
"And I made sure I used the word "religious" nut. Not isolating. However, those religious whom are known for honour killings exist.
As for Christians, aetheists, Jewish, or otherwise, they are ALL capable of domestic abuse and violence. And some women are violent too. But stats show majority of abusers are men. 10 times as many men kill their spouse as women. All related back to abuse.
There is no socio-economic-religious-ethnic boundary on abuse. It is very sad."
holyfamily5 11 months ago
Nupthatisit says "Given that this man had spent a lot of energy in his media career painting a positive image of Islam, there is still no evidence he killed his wife on religious grounds or that he was just an evil bastard."
He spent a lot of energy painting a positive image of Islam?
Who is trying to subliminally send a message here. The two go hand in hand in this case.
Islam - does not normally separate LAW and CHURCH. So by your own declaration - his religion was him.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
My comment about no boundaries on who will abuse =??? just means that anyone is capable, but still I stand by my earlier words that in this case religion should be mentioned, but I should have clarified of course that not all muslims are like this and maybe even gone further to say LESS muslims believe this - but why? Do they believe that a woman is a form of the rule of a man, brother, father? or not? religion and laws in Islam are one and the same.
Anyway, PC can go too far!
holyfamily5 11 months ago
@holyfamily5 There actually is hypocracy in your comments, when you stated in your first post comments such as muslims being renowned for "honour killings" as you put it and then state afterwards religion had nothing to do with it. This in fact renders your comment "let go of the muslim worry." YOU are the one who made the statement and your apology for lack of disclaimer doesn't cut it, there is still a massive hypocracy in your comments. Your first comment reveals your true beliefs
nupthatisit 11 months ago
@nupthatisit Are you kidding? He beheaded his wife? because she wanted a divorce? hmmm, whether it is religious or not. Tell us how muslims view the role of a woman.
That might enlighten us. Men kill their wives at times, women kill their husbands at times too. It is a crime of passion or mental instability or a religious nut that thinks he owns his wife.
honour killings are well known in the muslim world, so sifting it out will be something else.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
This is my ORIGINAL post.
I don't give a damn what you think I said - it is clear enough to ME>
Is this statement true: honour killings are well known in the MUSLIM world?
and SIFTING it out will be SOMETHING else.
Because in North America honour killings happen.
Because RELIGIOUS nuts I said major religious names and did not isolate to Islam only at another point. Religious NUTS. So what - they EXIST, get over it.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
@holyfamily5 Cases such as this are never clearly as black and white as you state. You're implying he beheaded his wife because he's a religious nut. And yet don't know the full picture. Beheading is pretty extreme. From my understanding he was promoting peaceful elements of Islam (and yes, the religion predominantly is peaceful) and yet he beheads his wife. A total contradiction. So ask yourself, do you know this man? Does he suffer mental illness, or had a psychotic episode? We don't know
nupthatisit 11 months ago
@holyfamily5 So are you saying that her wanting a divorce from him was based on religion? Why else link that to the argument. I have already stated under Islamic law women can divorce their husbands and yet you keep asking "Tell us how muslims view the role of a woman." Do you even know any muslims? Or are you yet another person guilty of getting your "facts" from the media, which are predominantly racist? I work every day with Muslim people, 10% of the kids in the school I teach are arabic
nupthatisit 11 months ago
@holyfamily5 I'm not excusing his actions, quite the contrary, but I'm saying a lot of it just simply doesn't make sense. And because it doesn't make sense, pigeonholing it based on media stereotypes on religion, wife bashers (you have to admit this goes way beyond standard domestic violence), etc, there are contractions left right and centre. Under the 12 pillars of Islam, women can divorce their husbands so you have clearly demonstrated a lack of knowledge there regarding the role of women.
nupthatisit 11 months ago
@holyfamily5 All in all, I'm trying to get to the bottom of your motive - are you a campaigner against domestic violence, are you a Christian promoting your own faith, are you anti-Muslim who only knows what's been reported in the media, which is predominantly inaccurate and designed to set the agenda within western social values that Islam is bad, perhaps you can enlighten me on that, because all in all, your arguments are also contractory and don't make sense.
nupthatisit 11 months ago
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1. I know some muslims. I also have read reports of muslim women speaking out. Women might be able to divorce but she has to go through a form of tribunal. And there will be humiliation for the families. So there is a lot to try to avoid divorce. But I don;t know enough muslims and do realize the media. But yt has enough vidoes on how to beat wives and enough women or men who are exposing some parts of treatement of women. Lashing women in Saudi Arabia? etc.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
@holyfamily5 Yes, your comments do bug the shit out of me, any post that blatantly demonises a group of people with comments that have no basis or merit, and is frankly racist in intent. Yes, I do see your comments as racist. Unlike you I do know enough Muslim people to know the differences between what western media and literature writes about them and what the actual case is. I work with Muslim people every day in my role as educator in a public school, where a substantial number (cont)
nupthatisit 11 months ago
@holyfamily5 of our families and students are Arabic refugees. I speak with the parents of my students regularly, and know that what you are saying about the "roles of women" as you so succinctly put it, is a product of the lies perpetuated by western literature and media, with no other agenda but to set social values to demonise people of Islamic faith. And I see the emphasis to the religion in this article to be no different. The man is evil. But he is not evil because he is Muslim.
nupthatisit 11 months ago
@nupthatisit
"any post that blatantly demonizes a group of people?" Again, anyone can read MY comment and know that I was doing no such thing. Now you are falsely accusing. I see enough wife beating teachings on youtube from Islamic traditions -
And KNOW there are enough good muslims.
But to PROMOTE wife beating - is to promote abuse.
That is NOT normal, so those refugees in AMERICA are fleeing that kind of stuff and making a better life for themselves.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
I would not have posted again, but you falsely accuse me and that is incorrigible twisting of my words in this exchange - to post to you again?
Islam in many countries - promotes disciplining a wife with punishments that allow a man to hit or beat his wife.
North America does not allow this thank God. but it still happens in all sectors.
Muslim community knew this man had issues with his FIRST and SECOND wives and admit they blamed the victim, the one who filed for divorce.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
I defend ALL people, ALL races, but if a religion promotes hurting women, then the root of their belief system CAN most certainly be questioned when such a murder takes place.
IF a Christian, Muslim, Jewish person or otherwise will commit a murder? those religions are supposed to be LOVING and PEACEFUL. So it has every bearing on looking at all aspects of a person. Especially one who PROMOTED ISLAM in his high profile public life.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
If he commited a crime of passion or a crime according to his religious beliefs (twisted or not) that will come out in trials and in assimilating many news reports or interviews or court documents and not just reading ONE report.
I and others have EVERY right to examine faith obervances with people who commit murders.
Aetheists, jew, blacks, buddhists, christians, muslims - all get the same scrutiny when they KILL someone! There is no prejudice on my part!
holyfamily5 11 months ago
And what I really don't LIKE! Is to be intimidated into being PC for the sake of not hurting someones religious sensibilities.
I don't care if it is the queen, the president of the States, or president of any country or even the POPE. Black, white, green.
They all get the SAME magnifying glass if they commit heinious crimes.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
AND - religious observance really comes into play when people publically claim to uphold and live religious convictions.
So on that note: A devout Catholic, Jew, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, or those in public authority, president, TEACHER, leader in any form - gets even MORE scrutiny because they are supposed to be above such things.
And if they were not exemplary, then their base is examined. They are actually held MORE accountable in the eye of the public.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
@holyfamily5 I'm not asking you to be PC. I'm simply saying know the facts of what you're going on about and stop contracting yourself to justify your own racism
nupthatisit 11 months ago
@nupthatisit
Not racist.
I also do NOT agree with the war and Canada grudgingly is in it and I am appalled at war. So why on earth are you harping on ME?
If you are working with refugees in schools and they tell their story of WAR, that is totally different than this discussion about an ignorant publically professed follower of Islam and promoting Islam.
Did you bother to read my comments or just want someone to spout at.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
You do NOT make sense in this argument. I have enough information from variety of sources, including MUSLIMS because Vancouver B.C. is has the largest multicultural population in the world.
I also attended the largest University on the West Coast last year, and there is a sea of international students and multiculture is the name of the game here.
You seem to want to have a huge rant about everything. Things I have nothing to do with.
God Bless and gotta go now.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
@holyfamily5 Then why dare preach to me what North America tolerates or not tolerates, or try to tell me that refugees are escaping their countries because of domestic violence when it's clearly not? You tell me I don't make sense, I have pointed out countless contractions in your arguments. Pot, kettle, black? and yes, I do think you are racist. For the reasons I have stated numerous times and am frankly getting sick of repeating.
nupthatisit 11 months ago
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I did not say refugees are escaping due to domestic violence? I say they are escaping due to the oppressions in those countries. Which can be war, home violence, sharia laws or whatever. 500 word commentary and you are picking apart things that I am not saying or implying to justify painting me as racists. I am not being racist to declare that Sharia law being upheld in predominantly muslim countries exists and it includes rules on disciplining (hitting) ones wife!
holyfamily5 11 months ago
@nupthatisit
RACIST is when I don't call out all other ethnic or groups for their behaviour with women or their spouse.
I clarified that quite well.
As far as your own thought life? Sharia law does not have wife beating? or the Quaran ? and you do KNOW that many men in those countries abide by those laws.
The laws in North America or I am sure your country - do NOT have any law that allows for physical or humilating punishment of a wife.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
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holyfamily5 11 months ago
I have had heated discussions with some American muslims telling people on youtube instructions for beating ones wife and that is something required to keep a wife in line. All the while quoting the Quaran.
They go on to say it will only be a light tap and not to hit her in the face and so forth. It is ridiculous and I call them out on that and say they are in America now and that law does NOT exist and they will be charged if they lay hands like that on their wives.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
I recently had a heated discussion with a fellow from Australia - he comes home from drinking and slaps his wife around a bit - and she does not "forgive" him? And what is the big deal, she does things that bug him and he forgives her, so what is a few slaps. And yes, he was serious.
Is that racist?
holyfamily5 11 months ago
To wit:
If a country (ies) insist on keeping their Sharia or Hadith law and the Quaran as their law for ruling people right into their bedrooms - then - those who harm will be examined when they beat or KILL their spouses.
If any country Christian, Buddhist, Hindu etc. keeps in their LAW books (that is served by a court justice system) conditions about how to PUNISH a wife? they are suspect.
It RUINS it for the good muslims, hindus, christians. See what I mean!
holyfamily5 11 months ago
@holyfamily5 I don't know how many times I have to keep telling you that under Islamic law, it is not permissable to kill you spouse, and that this man's actions would not be seen as an allowable act, but you're so frigging ignorant you either ignore or don't accept that, because of your own racist views against Islam, instead insisting on prattling on about points completely irrelevant with this particular case to suit your own prejudices
nupthatisit 11 months ago
@nupthatisit
Wow, -----------did you BOTHER reading all of my posts? I said any MAN (or even woman for that matter) no matter relgion or colour of skin can BEAT their spouse or kill.
But --- if a LAW exists in the Quaran and people abide by those laws - as in Hadith or Sharia laws, that beating a wife is permitted- which this MEDIA person spent his time devoted to ISLAM - then they are suspect. Beatings many times lead to out of control anger, which leads to KILLIING someone.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
@holyfamily5 I know exactly what you have written and I find it staggering that time and time again, you say one thing (re including people from all culture groups in your example) but then without taking a breath harp on and on about Muslims. Your failure time and time again to see that is what I am attempting, clearly unsuccessfully, to draw your attention to. And you tell me I don't read all your posts.....
nupthatisit 11 months ago
@nupthatisit
I NEVER once said that Islam ourtight permits killing ones spouse. Sharia and Hadith laws will align with the Quaran and in SOME Islamic countries they still allow killing of a spouse. Whether it is culture or religion or government is another story.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
@nupthatisit my earlier words "I can say the SAME for Hindus, Pakistani's, Croatians, Russians, Italians, Scottish peoples, Vietnamese, And the list goes on. Vancouver and Toronto are the worlds multiculture pots.
Vancouver has over 35 distinct communities and cultural systems alone. And Canadians ALLOW them to fully present their culture and ideas here. But we do NOT allow them to bring archaic laws about inequality of peoples."
holyfamily5 11 months ago
@holyfamily5 Just because you had an argument with a Muslim who advocated beating his wife doesn't mean all Muslims believe that. There are several Christians who beat their wives too. Are you going to say all Christians advocate it? You're incredibly ignorant if you think that that is a good example to use
nupthatisit 11 months ago
@nupthatisit
I had arguments with MANY muslims, not just one.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
@holyfamily5 If you analyse the Quran for quotes regarding inhumane acts then one must also analyse the Bible, which states children must be killed for swearing at parents, people must be killed if they don't have perfect eyesight, not to mention those who dare to have been born homosexual. You keep implying that Muslims advocate violence against women WHEN THE OPPOSITE IS THE CASE. Racism, btw, is when one denigrates other cultures, religions, skin colour, etc to make your own look superior
nupthatisit 11 months ago
@nupthatisit
The Judaic traditions of the OT, is carried in Islam, Christianity. We all know that. And the OT as far as I am concerned should be placed under a glass with lock and key as ANCIENT bronze age man history and NEVER be used as part of a guide for religion.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
@holyfamily5 Your comment re the OT being carried in all regions is also noted, as is your further comment that it should be locked away forever I do agree with. If you had knowledge of Sharia law and modern interpretations of Islam, you would note that that is also agreed upon in those circles. There are, not just in Islam but in other religions as well, a move towards banishing a lot of those old theories and philosophies. If you want to pick on a religion for that, then perhaps catholicism?
nupthatisit 11 months ago
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@holyfamily5 Your precise quote was "But to PROMOTE wife beating - is to promote abuse. That is NOT normal, so those refugees in AMERICA are fleeing that kind of stuff and making a better life for themselves." Are you now disagreeing that what you implied is that refugees are seeking asylum outside their country because of domestic violence???? You need to check what you type before you type it if you meant something else.
nupthatisit 11 months ago
@nupthatisit
Fleeing that "Kind of stuff" does not mean that wife beating is the ONLY thing they are fleeing?
Are you really a teacher with English as a first language, because you need to read all my posts again and start seeing what I am saying.
Let a University professor examine my words and see what they say, because MY University Professors might say I need help in articulating a point, but no one else would read my posts and say I am being racist!
holyfamily5 11 months ago
Whatever you are thinking - does not exist within me.
I was one of the first in our ALL WHITE schools to embrace peoples from other nations.
I was mistaken for a native child (I have very dark skin) and prejudiced against both in actions and words, so that I almost failed a grade (even though I managed almost B - A average all my school years) -
That was my EARLY lesson in life to NOT be prejudice about other cultures or skin colours.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
Finally for now - I am NOT preaching to you, whatever makes you think that, not sure.
And...what nationality are you? Some high profile Canadian muslims are lobbying to have SHARIA law instituted as a SECOND court system in Canada. I suggest you read the Sharia law books and then come back and post, why we get worried.
WE know there are many peaceful Canadian law abiding muslims, but NOT ALL are.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
I can say the same for Hindus, Pakistani's, Croatians, Russions, Italians, Scottish peoples, Vietnamese, And the list goes on. Vancouver and Toronto are the worlds multiculture pots.
Vancouver has over 35 distinct communities and cultural systems alone. And Canadians ALLOW them to fully present their culture and ideas here. But we do NOT allow them to bring archaic laws about inequality of peoples.
Maybe I discuss more than one thing in each post, but that is my position.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
@holyfamily5 Vancouver has 35 different cultures and is therefore one of the world's most multicultural pots? Wow, get over yourself! In Australia we have around 400 different cultures and languages, around 45% of our citizens are born overseas. You really need to be a lot less insular and ignorant, my friend.
nupthatisit 11 months ago
@nupthatisit
HUH? I never denied that other countries have mulitculturism - I said that Vancouver and Toronto have the largest DISTINCT multiculture communities in the world.
That means they are ALLOWED freedom of expression to a certain point and even they encroach on our laws at times.
I never denied other countries have similar. So not sure where you are even coming from.
400 different cultures?name them all please, because ethnic groups within each religion or culture exist.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
@holyfamily5 Just because you have been to Australia doesn't mean you know jack shit about the place. I'm not presuming to know what the society makeup is in Canada, so I would appreciate you not presuming to know what the situation is in Australia. I live in a town of 5000 people, we a multicultural mix of many languages and cultures, including Arabic, Aboriginal, Italian, Spanish, Phillipino, New Zealand, Chinese. Indian, African, Canadian...so no, not just in large cities as you wrongly state
nupthatisit 11 months ago
@holyfamily5 I'm not in the business of repeating myself, because you have an inert ability to comprehend points, but many of your claims you have brought up I have already addressed. Shame you lack the cognitive skills to understand them
nupthatisit 11 months ago
@nupthatisit "repeat post. "Whatever you are thinking - does not exist within me.
I was one of the first in our ALL WHITE schools to embrace peoples from other nations. I was mistaken for a native child (I have very dark skin) and prejudiced against both in actions and words, so that I almost failed a grade (even though I managed almost B - A average all my school years) -
That was my EARLY lesson in life to NOT be prejudice about other cultures or skin colours."
holyfamily5 11 months ago
I have been to AUSTRALIA. Multiculturism seems to thrive ONLY in the larger cities.
Canada: There are multicultural peoples in CITIES in Southern area Where the weather and amentieis are already ALL laid out for people.
But you will NOT find many peoples (ALL IMMIGRANTS) from other countries who will LIVE in Northern Canada or small town Canada. Another topic.
You are picking a fight with me for nothing and your own ego or a "cry victim - poor us" attitude from what I see.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
@holyfamily5 Can you please explain my apparent "cry victim - poor me" attitude that I apparently have?
nupthatisit 11 months ago
@nupthatisit
You are in a "cry me mode" many times throughout this exchange, describing things that I am not saying and twisting my words.
What nationality are you?
holyfamily5 11 months ago
@holyfamily5 Explain how this is a "cry me" mode, when I am merely pointing out inconsistencies in your arguments. I'm not twisting any of your words, I can't be held responsible if you have an innate inability to clearly state your words. I call it as I see it, and from where I see it, you are inarticulate in arguing your points. That is not a "cry me" mode, as you put it. I'm not sitting here wallowing in a "Oh woe is me" fashion. All I'm doing is picking holes in your case, which are many
nupthatisit 11 months ago
@nupthatisit
What is your nationality? You don't even acknowledge any of my posts that clarify all forms of peoples who commit abuse. Instead you have written so many twisted versions of what I said? now you blame me.
Anyway, as far as I am concerned you are advocating for saying NOTHING about muslim people when one mentions a killing or abuse.
I am saying muslim, hindu, white person, we want to KNOW the root of the problem so we cover ALL bases.
Sorry you don't see it that way
holyfamily5 11 months ago
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you said" As I have stated this particular case is beyond the issues of wife beating - beheading is not a simple matter of wife bashing. These people are not refugees to escape wife bashing you IGNORAMOUS, they are escaping political genocides, which has gotten WORSE since YOUR country invaded them. I WORK WITH REFUGEES EVERY DAY. I hear stories from my students that no children should never see. An example is from one boy who witnessed soldiers in his home slaughtering his uncle and cousins"
holyfamily5 11 months ago
"If you analyse the Quran for quotes regarding inhumane acts then one must also analyse the Bible, which states children must be killed for swearing at parents, people must be killed if they don't have perfect eyesight, not to mention those who dare to have been born homosexual. You keep implying that Muslims advocate violence against women WHEN THE OPPOSITE IS THE CASE. Racism, btw, is when one denigrates other cultures, religions, skin colour, etc to make your own look superior"
holyfamily5 11 months ago
@holyfamily5 If you have to ask my nationality then that is proof you haven't been reading my comments, my dear, not that there is any relevance to it, but for the record, yet again, I am Australian. My sole purpose in this exchange is highlight the unnecessary need of mentioning this man's religion in this instance when it is quite clearly irrelevant, as mentioned numerous times. I am not forcing PC (BTW in my experience this is one thing racists always accuse people of) or advocating religion
nupthatisit 11 months ago
You continually berate me throughout these exchanges. You are forcing other to be so PC that your sensibilities have been hugely offended by my posts.
You twist what I said and made it appear as if I am racist, I explained being prejudiced against as a young girl and yet you still persist.
It is about PC, just like we can't discuss muslim issues but the bashing of the Christians in North America is severe right now.
But everyone else is taboo to even mention.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
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holyfamily5 11 months ago
So sorry that you seem so offended. In this way perhaps you a muslim. So that is why I am continuing with this conversation. If not, I made a mistake. But we have so much PC even in Canada that our own rights over being overruled. Go back to the beginning.
If this man who beheaded his wife has strong belief in Islam and believes wife beating is fine - then his religious edicts will be questioned. Sorry YOU don't see it that way.
And we have every RIGHT to look at it all.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
@holyfamily5 Again you are accusing me of twisting your words. You stated them, my friend, not me. You are one minute saying anyone of any religion can be capable of "wife bashing" (even though this is way beyond wife bashing). But then you berate Islam (BTW I'm not Muslim, if that's what you're implying. I agree this man is evil, but he's not evil because he's Muslim, he's evil because he's mentally disturbed enough to behead his wife. Not quite sure what part of that you don't understand.
nupthatisit 11 months ago
You did twist my words or concept more than a few times. I heard you say Australian - I am Canadian with Scottish, Irish English heritiage. so if the Scottish people have law that allow beating a wife, and Scottish man kills his wife, one looks to that.
beating a wife is abuse and gets carried away. if a man has PERMISSION to beat his wife it goes unchecked? This can lead to murder. WE look to that LAW - if it is ISLAMIC then it gets examined! in this particular murder.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
In this case the Islamic community - in more than one news report - stated he had two other wives and those women divorced due to domestic abuse. But if Islam does NOT call this domestic abuse?
That community regrets not scrutinizing this man more.
Wife beating laws allow wife beaters (abusers) to be overlooked. Until they flip one day and kill.
So if he was just a nice guy and just flipped one day, I might agree with you, but in this case lots of evidence that this is premediated.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
If one studies how abuse works it is a slow building fuse and honeymoon cycles. The man starts fantasizing about entrapping his wife to have an excuse to beat her.
Abuse studies allow us to know these cycles. And if a man can get away with it? how much worse would it get.
Anyway, I did NOT read any news reports other than this video. I then backtracked to make sure I had read enough varied reports to get the story.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
@holyfamily5 Again you fail at comprehending the simplest of concepts. Muslims DON'T allow bashing, or in this case, beheading of spouses. I've stated that again and again and again and again.
nupthatisit 11 months ago
@nupthatisit
ANY form of physical abuse is the Precursor to BASHING or BEHEADING.
IT is all relative. If their laws say it is o.k. to hit a wife - that is one step from "BASHING" -----and "BASHING" leads to more abuse and anger cycles, which eventually leads to BEHEADING. All relative.
Not all beatings lead to beheading. But ALL beheadings by a HUSBAND who is SANCTIONED to BEAT his wife by a law - more than likely has a root in that original beatings - got carried away.
holyfamily5 11 months ago
@holyfamily5 Where's your evidence there was domestic violence in this household before he committed this crime? Or are you assuming again?
nupthatisit 10 months ago
" Aasiya Hassan filed for divorce February 6, police said, and Muzzammil Hassan was served with divorce papers at the station. That night, he showed up at the couple's home, she notified authorities, and he was served with a restraining order.
Police had responded to several domestic violence calls at the couple's address, but no one was arrested, Orchard Park Police Chief Andrew Benz said Tuesday." CNN news
holyfamily5 10 months ago
cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4808913n
Several news channels provide similar information. The journalism in above video -shows that beheading along with the body left in a public place is a strong indication of "honour killing".
Aasiya Zubair Hassan was heard saying she feared her husband by more than a few people.
Domestic abuse proof? - ask the POLICE for their reports. I think you can do the rest of the search on this case yourself and defend him all you want! We will defend HER!
holyfamily5 10 months ago
@holyfamily5 OK great, you've provided evidence of domestic violence in this case, I accept that. I still don't accept though that religion has anything do with it. So the MEDIA stated it was an honour killing. Woop de do. The Media, particularly commercial media in a number of countries, has proven time and time again to be overly prejudiced of Islamic issues - it's called agenda setting function theory and gatekeeping used effectively as a tool of media influence against a culture group.
nupthatisit 10 months ago
We believe that media has a large role in how any case or story is presented.
But PC in NA is now so bad, that no one is allowed to comment on the obvious at times for fear of reprisal for being racist or against ethnic groups. . Perhaps in Australia it has not got that far.
To the point whereby white/christian people are free for all bashing in public, but don't dare say one word about anyone elses ethinicity or religion for fear someone will scream victim due to race or religion.
anotheronem 10 months ago
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What I mean.
White Christians rights are being stepped on over and above the rights of others.
Agreed that one has to be careful about prejudice, it has caused lots of problems for many.
But the opposite is now happening due to too much caution of "hurting" anothers sensibilities.
anotheronem 10 months ago
Why can one not state the obvious? So be careful that your country does not fall into that trap is all.
We should be good to others, but not to point of eroding our own rights, ie prayers in schools, turbans in police force, no christianity allowed in public, and parades about discontent of mulitculturals that people bring their conflicts to Canadian soil for public display. OR Islam: some muslims lobbying for a TWO standard court justice system in Canada. Sharia LAW - Scary!
anotheronem 10 months ago
Caucasians (Europeans for most part) made huge errors in colonialization of countries in the world. Or mistakes in treatement of indigenous and those not the same culture or colour.
That is not disputed.
But if you came to Canada, you would see the reprecussions of appeasing those different to manners which take away our own rights.
Muslims - majority here- good. But some - just like radicals in Sikh, Hindu etc. they are not adapting to our country, they want more rights than others.
anotheronem 10 months ago
@anotheronem Hindus are not muslims, you ignoramus!!!!
nupthatisit 10 months ago
@nupthatisit
I said" but some - just like radicals in Sikh, Hindu etc, they are not adapting to our country".
Which defines them as HINDUS and SIKHS, which are their own followings.
Calling me down? perhaps this digital environment leaves something to be desired. But HINDUS and SIKHS are well known for their CONFLICT with EACH other. That is why I chose that group to compare to SOME muslims who do not adapt.
anotheronem 10 months ago
Are you arrogant like Americans can get at times. I thought better of Aussies. But perhaps you are not a true Aussie? Not sure.
anotheronem 10 months ago
@anotheronem What's arrogant about pointing out flaws in the media?
nupthatisit 10 months ago
@nupthatisit
I did not respond to your other posts. I responded only to: your statement:
"Hindus are not muslims, you ignoramus!!!!"
Hmm, let us examine this digital style. YOU IGNORAMUS !!!!.
in my world this is an INSULT. Adding 4 (four) exclamation marks, makes it an official INSULT!!!!
AT that point, I really do not want to discuss anything further with you. You "appear" arrogant. If you are not then you prove you are not in future comments.
Otherwise, really?
anotheronem 10 months ago
@anotheronem Awww, diddums, would you like the world's smallest violin? Why butt into a discussion if you don't want a response back? That to me sounds like arrogance. Still, I'll let you go to your corner and sulk like a little cry baby.
nupthatisit 10 months ago
Whoa, what is your problem? IGNORAMUS? cry baby? wow. Grow up. you may experience many peace loving muslims - great stuff. So do we.
But, Many muslim or hindu or sikh immigrants to :North America, England, Holland want to bring their way of life to the new country and they also want to change the laws here to reflect such things.
Including many being offended by Christian prayers and customs etc.
Hope you recognize the problems that could arise, but if not, you have been warned.
anotheronem 10 months ago
@anotheronem Okay, so why is multiculturalism working in Australia and not in the countries you mentioned? Perhaps those countries need to look at the multiculturalism policies set by their respective governments and evaluate what it is about them that isn't working. It works in Australia because Australia has made them feel welcome through policy making and such forth. We don't place laws to ban burqas and such forth, and people of other faiths are not offended or demanding of their ways.
nupthatisit 10 months ago
Ah, good, so you don't have problem with identification of a government official wanting to see face of woman with veil covering yet.
You don't have to payout millions for someone detained oversees, a little slip? of an immigrant in the detainee complications of the middle east right now.
You won't have to worry about men wearing turbans instead of safety hard hats at work.
You won't have to worry about your prayers or pagents being thrown out of schools because they might offend.
anotheronem 10 months ago
You won't have to worry about parades with effigy's burning of peoples in conflicts from their homelands. Bringing internal conflict to your country that has nothing to do with your country.
I am so happy that you all figured out how to integrate Islam with Christianity.
Or that no one is lobbying your government for Sharia law as a separate court system.
I guess those who immigrate get no special monies or considerations over and above Australians either.
anotheronem 10 months ago
You will have to show the world your prototype for integration of Islam and Christianity. That will be good to see, or the other multiculturals who do not displace the citizens of your country for work efforts or tax monies and they just "fit right in".
Other than indigenous, we were all immigrants at one time in North America, Australia etc. Difference with majority of those early immigrants, they WORKED for their land and country before they got benefits and privileges.
anotheronem 10 months ago
@anotheronem Oh, my lord, what a diatribe. Around 5% of Muslims wear full burqas. There has been the odd right wing nut who has demanded a burqa ban, but the majority of us are accepting, and the discussions don't progress, simply because we see it as human rights issue to ban them. Muslims here don't demand getting rid of Christian festivals in schools, and in fact schools who made the decision to ban them offended Muslims because they didn't demand them - political correctness gone overboard
nupthatisit 10 months ago
@nupthatisit
That is very good. I guess you don't have the same problems as your neighbour, New Zealand, with child brides. Or a young girl having to marry her rapists. Child Brides in New Zealand. TVNZ has a 3 part new documentary series on this very disturbing issue. It is on youtube.
But the muslims in Australia? They are all pure and innocent, I suppose. It is a very hush hush thing in muslim communities. I would check behind those burquas, even ONE child bride is one too many.
anotheronem 10 months ago
@nupthatisit
See, nupthat - it is like this:
Canada was very tolerant at first too. Canada bent over backward for all immigrants. Lets make them feel so at home, they will still feel they are at home. But it went to their heads.
But more: they wanted their laws to be sanctioned in Canada. ie = head coverings, burquas, sanctioned wife beating, and women subservient to men etc. That is HOW many muslim (shia, sunni, etc) cultures are.
anotheronem 10 months ago
@nupthatisit
"During an open day at Sydney's Lakemba Mosque at the weekend, the Australian Islamic Mission's president, Dr Zachariah Matthews, called for aspects of sharia law to function as a parallel legal system.
His comments have sparked concerns that doing so would introduce a penal system under which women could be stoned to death for adultery and corporal punishment handed out for other offences."
abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/03/08/2839749
anotheronem 10 months ago
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anotheronem 10 months ago
national post blog by barbara-kay-english-canada-behind-its-veil
let us look at the "face covering" of women FORCED to wear it. Perhaps MEN do not see the problem, but women sure do.
anotheronem 10 months ago
@anotheronem You obviously then haven't read Dr Zachariah Matthew's statement on the Australian Islamic Mission's website, where he states how journalists misconstrued his comments, in particular he quote in the statement "Shariah law is not high on the agenda of Australian Muslims" and that the only aspect of Shariah law Muslims was interested in in Australia, and has been granted, is the Government regulation in Halal food practices. Right wing media setting agenda at work, my friend.
nupthatisit 10 months ago
@anotheronem This also highlights your ignorance when it comes to matters of shariah law.
nupthatisit 10 months ago
@nupthatisit
Why don't YOU inform us about SHARIA law?
A man can divorce his wife? by what method? Some can do it over their cell phones? is this true?
Sharia law? or hadith law? sunnis are NOT Shias btw.
And -------why do we see so many videos on YOUTUBE alone advocating the RULES of wife beating according to the Quaran? Anyway, stay in your world, and for sure I hope some Aussies enlighten you.
Do NOT have the audacity to speak for WOMEN. YOU fail at that miserably!
anotheronem 10 months ago
@anotheronem Also interesting how you missed quotes like "We are not calling on the introduction of penal system which calls for cutting off hands." The ASPECTS he is referring to is to do with CIVIL aspects, ie inheritance "as long as it doesn't conflict with existing civil systems." He ALSO acknowledged that there is little chance of it happening because "We are here to respect Australian laws." The discussion was also in a Q&A session, NOT on his agenda for his speech, ie put on the spot.
nupthatisit 10 months ago
@nupthatisit
Do you know what inheritance issues they are discussing? As for the other issues with face covering, and other muslims who are advocates of keeping women subservient to the point of them not having rights,
ie child brides.
Not all muslims are alike, true - sharia, sunni - hadith laws etc.
You sound like Justin Trudeau right now. Lets not use the term" honour killings" are barbaric, and use more NEUTRAL sounding words?
anotheronem 10 months ago
I tolerate LOTS - I don't tolerate women or children being harmed - and if a law in a religion dictates beatings or restrictions are to be meted out against women, then they are SUSPECT until they start RECINDING those laws and getting them off the books.
Sunni law of inheritance (as far as I understand) is a woman gets 1/3 and man gets 2/3. It might be different with each muslim sect.
That is unfair - yes. But I would LOVE to see them RECIND laws about beating wives etc.
anotheronem 10 months ago
Some Sunni muslims (check out Indonesias laws) advocate cutting off hands. Many do not follow Sharia form. It might not be a topic if it already exists in some muslim codes.
The whole of Muslim Sharia or Hadith or etc laws do NOT belong in our countries.
That is why they MOVED away to embrace the NEW country and laws and way of life.
Lets see how NZ makes out exposing the child brides having to marry their rapist. You guys keep your heads in the sand, that is a great way to be!
anotheronem 10 months ago
And maybe 80% of the muslims in Australia are great and do not abide by those old laws. Good.
But what about the 20% in some way or form are practicing things against women or their lawful rights in many aspects - ie child brides.
Veils are a form of a permanent masking of the face & identity. It has nothing to do with FAITH.
Veils are indoctrinated forms of clothing . women are denigrated or even punished if they do not comply. After a while, they believe the stuff they are fed.
anotheronem 10 months ago
I suggest any man _ especially a white man - wear a veil and full body clothing for one year in all things they undertake publically.
Then come back and post who wonderful and great those muslim women are for obeying their" religion" believing they are being dutiful to their husbands and souls.
Women cannot FUNCTION in that wardrobe, it restricts them in many ways. And more than you, nor I can comprehend. But that is the SOLE purpose - to RESTRICT a woman from LIVING!
anotheronem 10 months ago
I could care a less about worrying about MEDIA misrepresenting anything.
I live in REAL life. I see what I see, I am a woman. I know what would severely restrict me in my life. I know how bad some marriages or families are with real abuse. And we are a free country with full womens rights.
I have a friend in Dubai right now. She is in the luxury section - teaching-. They are trying to 'PUT ON" a new face to the world. But the MUSLIM men still treat women poorly for the most part.
anotheronem 10 months ago
Canada has major centres teaming with multicultural peoples. They do NOT get along well for the most part.
Many Hindus, Sikhs, muslims, etc segregate themselves.
While some integrate, many do not. And muslim factions are vying for sharia law, because at one time Jewish people had some special privileges.
Canada now says that said NO religious privileges re: real changing laws for one religious sector.
Religion is to remain separate. but respected as a "social observance" only.
anotheronem 10 months ago
@anotheronem You say SOME Sunni Muslims advocate it. Most Indonesians are followers of the modernist Sunni which have actually rejected those aspects of Sharia law, as have the majority of Sunni Muslims around the world. Indonesia, which has the largest Muslim population in the world and of which Muslim is the mainreligion (but also has Christians, Confusiocism, Hindus, Buddhists), states in their constitution "all persons have the right to worship according to their own religion or belief".
nupthatisit 10 months ago
@nupthatisit
You should read further - only 6 major religions are allowed. The others are NOT allowed and are only classified as social groups and cannot get proper registration to hold worship services etc. But that is in Indonesia, NOT in Australia. But something to think about.
You never responded to the problem NZ is having or other countries.
Do you know that other countries - WERE VERY ACCEPTING and tolerant of those peoples. and before one knows it....
All the best! mate!
anotheronem 10 months ago
@anotheronem Show me a CREDIBLE source of that story - google searches lead me to a TVNZ story (given that TVNZ is owned by Murdoch's right winged News Corp, funding of the Tea Party in USA, and subject to numerous breaches of broadcasting codes of practices for their populist and tabloid stories with exaggerated angles for agenda setting function processes) and anti-Muslim websites, I've not seen anything credible.
nupthatisit 10 months ago
@anotheronem Statement from the Federation of Islamic Associations of New Zealand - "New Zealand Muslims do not condone nor practice such underage marriage and, moreover, the position and instructions of FIANZ Religious Advisors are unequivocal in rejection of such act. New Zealand law does not allow underage marriage and Muslim marriage celebrants are fully aware and would never associate themselves with such crime. In the absence of any evidence to the claim in the story, (cont.)
nupthatisit 10 months ago
@anotheronem "IANZ cautions those behind it to desist from seeking cheap popularity by associating acts of misdemeanour with the Muslim community who, over the years, have maintained an excellent record as law abiding citizens of this country. If anyone is breaking the law of the land then relevant authorities should take appropriate action. FIANZ expresses extreme disappoint in outrageous claims of underage marriages in some communities made by some social service providers. Dr Anwar Ghani"
nupthatisit 10 months ago
@anotheronem @anotheronem I should point out that TVNZ are under investigation by New Zealand's government broadcasting regulators for inaccurate reporting on this article. I think by now it's about time you stopped your ill-informed, inaccurate, misguided and frankly out and out racist diatribe, don't you?
nupthatisit 10 months ago
@nupthatisit
Ah, that is always how it works with controversial EXPOSITIONS. Michael Moore has the same problem. But once images or evidences are in peoples minds. Even one or two victims is sufficient. It is people like you who would squash real journalism to paint rosy pictures of ALL people at the expense of those who get harmed.
FIANZ is an UNBIASED group? As in the Catholic Church was unbiased in trying to explain away priest sex abuse? Don't delude yourself.
anotheronem 10 months ago
@anotheronem OMG, use common sense. There are never unbiased groups in such discourse. Everyone has some sort of agenda. You, for example, are extremely biased against Muslims. FIANZ are merely pointing out the obvious facts that New Zealand laws (which do not recognise Shariah law, I might add) do not allow underage marriage, so how do you expect such marriages to be recognised? Muslim communities all abide by local laws like any other citizen.
nupthatisit 10 months ago