Why Are NGOs Not Investigating Hamas War Crimes?

[Redcarpet01]

Both AI & HRW investigated Hamas. Of course, Dr. Bell didn't like their conclusions so he just claims they didn't investigate at all. Pathetic

[dropoutfilms]

This man is incorrect. Amnesty International has called for an end to war crimes and an investigation on both sides.

[janf1989]

And the same "Amnesty International" wants all felons to be pardoned...no prison can live up to AI's standards. AI acitivists are often lonely, old women writen letters to prison inmates and falling in love with them, at that point they believe their "innocence" stories :D.

[twoand2is5]

Dr. Bell's remarks evince the complexity of the situation. From my computer in Oregon, it's easy to say, "Israel is the aggressor, give Arabs equal rights, we need a one-state solution..." But it ain't that simple, is it, Avi?

[JessLaJess]

"evince the complexity of the situation."

Well friend, from your pc in Oregon you can do a lot of research. For example, you can look up the record. The human rights record, the UN record, the World Court record. Through this you can find that it is in fact simple. Israel is committing war crimes under international law. Look it up, it's not that difficult. Google "peaceful solution to the palestine problem."

[twoand2is5]

You aren't helping the Palestinians, Jess, please stop.

[JessLaJess]

Every mind matters, daddy.

[twoand2is5]

Every mind matters...except flapping Canadian minds.

[emaine]

Until the Palestinians can support a government that does not support terrorism their plight will never change. Hamas will never help them, they only hurt the advance of Israeli compromise....

[commanderetardo]

almost like the way many israelis support a government that attacks civilians expands illegal settlements, destroys houses, and kills civilians. oh thats not called 'terrorism' though is it ?

i guess i got it wrong then.

[JessLaJess]

Yea, use your head. It's only terrorism when it's done by militants using low grade weapons. But, you know, when it's state sponsored terrorism, then it's legit.

[JessLaJess]

Wow, I feel less human after watching this.

Israeli army backers are despicable. You are killing a trapped, poor, refugee population with some of the most technically advanced weapons ever made. You are indescriminitely killing women, children and civilians, and all that hamas can do is fire some shit rockets. No one says that those rocket attacks aren't a war crime, but you are a sick appeaser of serious state war crime. You may think you're helping Israel, but you're sadly mistaken.

[AS566]

Those "some shit rockets" also indiscriminately kill civilians.

Do those civilian lives cost less than other civilian lives?

Should Israel wait for Hamas to get some real firepower?

I'm not challenging, I'm genuinely asking.

[dfjaklfjals]

Do Palestinians' lives cost less than Israelis'? If they are indeed equal then the math would work out to about 100 Palestinians killed for every Israeli killed. Not to mention all the homes and infrastructure lost to senseless bombing in highly populated areas.

[prisonerofmachines]

It was never Israeli land those rockets hit, it is occupied Palestinian land seized by Israel.

[AS566]

@prisonerofmachines

Wrong-o, chief. That land was given to the Israelies and Palestinians by Britain after WW2 and they've both fought for it.

@dfjaklfjals

What would you have done in Israel's place?

They just keep getting rocketed and bombed. They try to build a wall or set up check points, they get yelled at. They try to take out launching pads (that are located in civilian areas), they get yelled at.

What would you have done? Turned the other cheek?

[prisonerofmachines]

Wrong. The "Palestinians" are indigenous. They have had 80% of their land given to Israel.

AND you deliberately minimize the Israeli attacks on civilians:

Radhika Coomaraswamy, the U.N. Secretary-General's Special Representative for Children and Armed Conflict.

"Civilian targets, particularly homes and their occupants, appear to have taken the brunt of the attacks, but schools and medical facilities have also been hit,"

Those are Israeli human rights violations and war crimes.

[AS566]

@prisonerofmachines

Ok, so what if they're indigenous? The land was a British colony, therefore the British could, and did, do whatever they wanted with it.

I don't doubt that land populated by civilians was targeted because I don't doubt that land populated by civilians was used for an offensive against Israel.

If one wanted to be a clever little terrorist shit, one would attack from hospitals, schools, and residential areas to prevent retaliation.

[JessLaJess]

But I need to ask you something too. What would you do if you were a palestinian, your house has been demolished, your land taken away, you can't got ten kilometres without being interrogated, your parents were both killed, your children are starving and lack necessary medication, and you just saw the skin melt off your nephews bones from white phosphorous. Well, personally, I'd resort to violence because the international community isn't doing a goddamn thing. But, I'm not perfect.

[AS566]

I understand resorting to violence. Most people might.

I would look around and realize that my elected government isn't doing its job. Sure, they're attacking a country from my house, my neighbor's house, the hospital, or my kid's school, and leaving before the sites get demolished. They're also spending the money meant for me and my people on their own hatreds, extremist agendas, and weapons.

I would also ask myself, and others, why Egypt has closed its boarders off too.

[JessLaJess]

Where are the reports that they are attacking from houses and schools? They are all from Israeli gov't sources, and none from Human Rights orgs. Do you know why? Because it's bullshit. It's propaganda.

Hamas was elected because they spend more than Fatah on social programs and helping its people. I don't agree or condone their policies towards Israel, but they treat their people much better than Fatah, who has caved into Israeli wants. The West bank is quietly worsening every day.

[AS566]

Well, I guess in the end it comes down to whom you trust for information.

Unless you have a source of info available to you that I do not, neither one of us knows exactly what's going on and who's telling the truth.

[JessLaJess]

What would I do? Hmmm, probably the same thing as the International concensus, which is a two-state solution. It's voted on every year in the UN, and every year only two major powers oppose it: Israel and the US. The Arab League is for it and Hamas has signalled it supports it as well. There's just one problem, Israel and the US oppose it. That's how you end killing on both sides, it's all in the hands of the US and Israel.

[AS566]

Well, I meant in this particular conflict, but ok.

Do you really believe that both sides would be ok, one with losing land and the other with gaining only part of what they believe to be theirs?

And do you really believe that Hamas would forget its mission statement, calm down and start taking care of its people?

[JessLaJess]

Of course I don't believe both sides would be ok, but at least it would stop the current violence and make negotiations easier.

The pre-1967 borders aren't great, but it's a start.

Hamas was democratically elected, just like the Israeli government. Israeli citizens are in a sick mindset right now, with over 90 per cent agreeing with their military actions. I don't think the two state solution will change their government's ideology, but once again it will be a start to change the people's.

[JessLaJess]

Egypt has closed its borders off because it is the second largest receiver of military aid from the US. Aside from aid money, they will not do a fucking thing because the master will get angry if they do. And if you think Iran should help as well, I don't know if you do or not, but if they pull any shit Israel is trigger ready to put them back in the 19th century as well.

[AS566]

Well, I understand Israel's sick mindset.

A friend of mine who used to live in Israel, and still has relatives there, told me that a few days ago a car was found near a popular mall, wired with over 50kg of explosives and shrapnel (screws and ball bearings). If I lived anywhere near there, I'd be in a sick mindset too.

Now, I can't site him or his source of info, so I'm not stating it as fact, but similar cases have occurred before the latest operation. Can't you see how the people might be mad?

[JessLaJess]

Of course I'd be mad, but I'd focus my anger on the bigger picture. Why are these extremists being bred? What policies or ideas cause them? I don't know for sure, but I'd bet 40 years of occupation would probably create a few extremists. I truly feel sorry for Jews living in such scary conditions, however I feel worse for palestinians, especially the refugees in Gaza. A contemporary similar situation is the IRA, look how they slowed down the violence there.

[minus00]

the israelis arent being persecuted here. in war people die. the problem with all this is that its not a war, its closer to ethnic cleansing. they are pent up and not let out.... Concentrated in Camps... if you will.

[minus00]

Because what hamas does pales in comparison the the holocaust the israelis are putting the palestinians through.