Ratings Mean Nothing, Simulation Cant Be Achived In Madden 2011 Part 2

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[PeteTheMallard]

for the people defending madden, if 2K basketball can get ratings right, why can't madden?

[CGriffreppinP2]

first of all your letting the computer make tackles of course their getting trucked and its the NFL hes not gonna bum out for one he still made it to the league and if you play the game or realize you could never get an overall of 0 why because these ratings only mean 0 is 32 and a 99 is 99

[acedeep100]

not borin at all keep the movement movin

[vidEvWill]

My brother once played with the Lions in franchise and he had a NCAA Draft class and he put Navy QB Ricky Dobbs in the game(he has a 65 rating) and he still was able to get 100 passing yards on the Packers in a rivalry game. There is no seperation from the players, the Swagger rating was a joke, proving how stupid the ratings are. If John Madden knew what was going on with his game, he'd make those developers drop and give him 50.

[TreFacTorX]

With BackBreaker being arecaadish, I don't see that as a truly viable alternative... passable, but not yet replacing Madden as a representation of what we see on Sunday, 2K however could be our saving grace if the rumors are true...(praying to the football Gods!)

[MrTorchya21]

@TreFacTorX What makes backbreaker arcadish? Have you played BBand if so please explain to the arcadish part gameplay-wise?

[shadowdrinkerx]

Do you have the end season numbers for hardtostop for the 2 full seasons he played in?

I would like to see how many yards, TD's catches and fumbles he accrued during the course of a few seasons.

I mean, yeah...I could go and make my own player and try this, but we're talking about Nate Hardtostop...so, my player's numbers would be meaningless in this particular situation.

[TreFacTorX]

Ryan you aint never lied! Sadly EA doesn't care. How can they improve the game with the release schedule it has... it's not possible. Madden will be stuck in it's current mold until the next generation of consoles and that's just the sad facts.

[zeokenX]

@TreFacTorX No,they will continue until either Backbreaker or 2k Sports gets the rights from the Nfl.

[nykia31]

I just find it utterly amazing that people just refuse to grasp the concept that the game's ratings are tuned to all pro difficulty. All Madden isnt designed to produce realistic CPU player outcomes. It's designed to give the CPU players unnatural boosts(CHEAT).

It makes no sense to criticize Madden Gameplay on All Madden, that doesnt apply equally to NBA2k HOF Difficulty, APF2k8 and NFL2k5 Legend Deifficulty, etc.

This has been common knowledge in games, since Atari Football.

[spiker311]

Quality video. Half of you guys commenting are missing the point. When you make a guy like Nate Hardtostop who is rated so low, there is no excuse for him to perform like this on the field. Given Nate Hardtostop's rating and size, it is the equivalent of a high school player playing in an NFL game. He should be dominated but he isn't. Why? Because the ratings don't matter in Madden. And because the ratings don't matter, this game is not simulation football, like EA says it is.

[madchuck]

Can you believe that that pussy SMITTY bocked me!!

[DerekSutton]

This reminds me of the Madden game I played with my friend the other day, my goodness it was terrible.

[lleavellr75]

if your playing on all madden and letting the comp control your created player and your not usering every tackle this is what happens they just want to make the game difficult for for you so things like this happen if you play any i mean any video game in this way these types of things will happen everyone should know this its not real life the players will not act like humans so if u waste your time by playing this way go ahead its not being played the way its meant to be played

[ND7652]

The reason is because you kicked the ball from inside your endzone. Missed field goals are awarded at the spot of the kick . Since the offense cannot retain to ball from inside the Goalline .The penalty is a form of intentional grounding being that it occurred in the endzone. Hence a Safety

[2kjason10]

dude have you should do a comparison vid between this and NFL fever 2004... fever is so much more advanced in almost every aspect ...animations are surprisingly realistic and the QB play is unmatched...and the O and D line play is only second to 2k5...lemme know what you think, seriously.

[ND7652]

I was going to comment that the rosters are not updated as Alfalava is playing for the Colts when I last checked

[serious21blac]

It amazes me that even with all this proof and evidence from guys like moody and the old apex that guys still try to defend this crap. Its right in front of your face. Like others have said, it shouldnt matter what difficulty or settings he is on. Hardtostop, was i believe a 39 overall. He has no business breaking a single tackle. PERIOD!!! This video just show that EA put out another half assed game. I understand no game is perfect. But when does this garbage end???

[TheGr8190]

@serious21blac the cpu is using his dude on all madden user players ratings (sliders) get worst while the cpus goes up regaurdless of the attributes or shown ratings

[serious21blac]

@TheGr8190 I know, and that is dumb, eliminates the whole purpose of having attributes.

[TheGr8190]

@serious21blac yuh i think that instead of makin user players suck compared to the cpu how bout they jus make it so we cant go for it on fourth down or something of that nature

[serious21blac]

@TheGr8190 Yea, there are a ton of things they should change, but seem to never get around to it. But they continue to add useless junk to it. Like the swagger rating. REALLY!! What the hell does that even mean. Or gameplanning, game flow. All useless. We wont see another good madden game until they get competition.

[aro327]

i am a bears fan. our pass defense is rancid. we run zone all day. but we do great at stopping the run.

and moody the reason u get a safety is because after a missed field goal the ball is spotted where the field goal was attempted. it doesnt go back to the line of scrimmage.

[aro327]

i am a bears fan. our pass defense is rancid. we run zone all day. but we do great at stopping the run

[aro327]

bears run tampa 2 all day. our pass defense is rancid

[WissMongler]

the reason there is a difficulty was for the players themselves. Some people play Madden every year v others who just started. As for madden difficulty....it plain ignores everything it tries to be by being the most annoying and near impossible setting to beat. I just pass all day with it. And struggle cause pass rush gets there in 1.5seconds...even max protection. I think all-pro is a more standard setting and works well.

[NoobSoldier2006]

He is right about this game allows any player in the game to be a superstar. EA sells their game not based on simulation factor, but "highlight" factor. The game allows you to bring a piece of crap RB to break bunch of tackles to the paydirt. It makes the players feels as if they are good or "madden god". It doesn't account how boring it is to continuously get 2 yards run like in real life. EA makes it to where you will get like 10 yards every carry. This is how they sell their game.

[Crazyfrankie666]

@RyanMoody21 at 10:10 it looks like Fitzgerald stumbled a bit, or what should have been a better animation.

[nyeph1]

This is 100% True,, Madden 11 ratings do not matter i rated two teams reduced them all too 12 the lowest they can be rated and the game played the same as if their had the original ratings, All Ea wanted for this game was little johnny's money,,, My daugher scored a TD in this game she is 8 years old and she only knows about football is who reggie bush is no BullShit! If anyone says their is a strategy to this game a knows next to nothing about football or neverf played the game themselfs...

[ram29jackson]

i AGREE WITH ALL THIS,.. but why the long orations ? its been 5 to 10 years and EA is never going to change. They want to sell to a large audience of kids and kids dont want to lose or play realistically. A realistic football game maker would have to understand they would make large sells with a realistic football game and profit in other ways. EAs market is children and this the way the game will be made. Unless youre a game maker, why waste time? dont misunderstand me, I subscibe to your stuff

[Yero24]

Great video I really think your videos are interesting please continue with this videos Madden needs to stop with this bull shit

[cbrhawk1]

This game's representation of football is awful no matter how you look at it. When you can put in a 3rd string quarterback for any team and have him perform exactly as good as a starter in online games, that's when you know that something is wrong.

I have won twice as many games as I have lost in Madden, and I admit that the things that make players good in Madden aren't the things that make people good in actual football. I only play it because it is an NFL game, but I dispise it.

[arodaman]

Madden is communist. Everybody is equal.

[dmx1650]

i agree with rmoody .the player rating system is one of the reasons i stoped playing this game .

[brozales1126]

good vid moodshire, people that support ea always will, and for what ever reason take it personally when madden is exposed for the trash that it really is, we've all played madden, its a shame that they act as if we never played the shit

[BushDoctor02]

WOW!! Moody does it again... Great job man..,

[Joeyland]

Madden represents actual players horribly 

[j2duhvis]

your experiment in a way is skewed. dont get me wrong you are right a player built so poorly shouldnt do that well but in the whole game no one is rated a 38... this is the nfl players are in the nfl for thier abilities and one thing i can enjoy about madden is wen i can take johnathan dwyer a 70 and use his skills to get up to a pro bowl level it can be fun instead of having him play average cuz his rating is average. but like i said at the same time a player that poorly shouldnt preform well

[aznflacco52]

check out all these haters with their bot accounts. *cough* *CrimeSpreeHigh* *cough*... XD

[arrowzzzzz]

how about u show us the setting because ur 65 overall running back breaking tackles, u cuda put tackling on 0 cuz my fucking adrian peterson doesent do that all the time... and all theese problems i see with u and gideon fo madden doesent happen to me and i play madden ALOT..

[nykia31]

Developers have said REPEATEDLY, that ratings are tuned for All Pro Difficulty.

All Madden, isnt, nor has it ever been intended to produce 'fair' outcomes, yet no one wants to listen. They just want to go on anti-EA crusades.

High difficulty will ALWAYS skew towards the CPU player.

If you are going to criticize Madden for this, then you must criticize HOF difficulty in NBA2k, Legend Difficulty in MLB The Show, APF, NFL2K, and every sports game ever made.

No wonder Ian laughs.

[csm07cb]

what about a 38 overall does all madden correct? Thres a reason the player has a number that shows their overall capablities for that position. Basically all you idiots are mad that madden cant show that this made rb is as effective as a full time starter but according atleast to the eye of a player that he shouldnt do anything at all no matter what difficulty, 12 strength, do you comprehend that means he might be able to open a sprite can let alone TRUCK brian urlacher

[csm07cb]

Look at all the EA squad defenders come to this video and start talking shit. POST YOUR VIDEOS SHOWING ME THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN AND ILL DELETE MY YOUTUBE ACCOUNT AND SLIT MY WRIST ON CAMERA FOR YOU

[LooneyAlex]

lol its funny how everyone compalins about which is better backbreaker or madden, well in madden everything is robotic and in backbreaker every thing is like a ragdoll.. i say who cares its just videogames if u dont like it then play something else or get a girlfriend..

[ShutUpAndMakeMe]

Sorry, But this video doesnt prove shit. Any player is capable of being trucked at any time, Hell, even punters and kickers with no skills other than kicking make tackles on players . And short receivers break tackles from linebackers 200+ pounds. 12 strength doesnt mean no strength. Learn what the fuck your talking about ok?

[ogokafor]

@ShutUpAndMakeMe actually punters and kicker are taught to tackle properly, reciever are more agile and athletic than linebackers so ofcourse they can break tackles, learn what the fuck your talking about retard

[Joeyland]

@ShutUpAndMakeMe

so yr saying all players do all moves reguardless of ratings, and this is good?

[DickinRyanMoodyMouth]

Take my dick outta yo mouth and say ITS A SAFETY BECAUSE YOUR KICKING FROM YOUR FUCKIN OWN ENDZONE you cunt

[IAteSomeCorn]

@CrimeSpreeHigh how bout you go try it for yourself and see what happens

[MakeSumCake]

@CrimeSpreeHigh Put up some vids.

[xKSxDaPhenom23]

@CrimeSpreeHigh  Dude your a idiot.......nuff said

[RyanMoody21]

@CrimeSpreeHigh 102 thumbs up, bot account much?

All Madden is a difficulty setting, its not a game mode where the impossible becomes common place. Its not about what I was doing as a player on defense, this is about the game simulating to the best of its ability. User interaction would actually prohibit that, Im glad you play the game all the time but if your not seeing this stuff, consider yourself just educated.

The game has piss poor difficulty progression or realism, take your pick.

[NoobSoldier2006]

@RyanMoody21 To be honest, Madden shouldn't even need a difficulty meter. There's no need for 4 difficulties (rookie,pro,allpro,allmadden). If it's really a simulation game and EA is trying to convince the market that their ratings really effects the gameplay, there's only need for 1 difficulty. If the game is really a simulation, when your secondary play against Carson Palmer, you are playing on what would be rookie. When you play against Brady & Manning, then it's the most difficult level.

[vidEvWill]

@RyanMoody21 in All Madden, fat ass DTs pick the ball off and suddenly start getting godlike and start breaking tackles.

[ASPunisher12]

@CrimeSpreeHigh Are you retarded? A player with no stats irregardless of what settings its on SHOULD NOT be trucking, blocking, etc. Stats mean nothing. Please go back and whine to EA.

[supremancy]

@CrimeSpreeHigh Dude if all of a players abilities is rated 12. There is no reason no matter what difficulty that he should be trucking 9 defenders!!!! period!!

[livehook]

@CrimeSpreeHigh your a retard did u escape from the retard farm and go to the public library bro madden is shit and if you cant grasp that just shoot your self in the head your a waste of space baby powder would come out your dome no brain geek

[4824588]

@RyanMoody21 I do have a problem with your claims of the supposed superiority of the ability based system. The abilities in APF have been shown as being a front for hidden numerical ratings.

I hate to sound trite, but the computer doesn't understand words. It's all 1s and 0s in the end. It doesn't know what 'fast', 'strong', 'agile' and 'focused' mean, but it understands what 99 in Speed, Strength, Agility and Focus mean.

[cbrhawk1]

@4824588 Actually, those numbers already represent stuff from a skill based system. The difference is that the numbers you see in madden probably represent the probability that a certain type of animation will be carried out (e.g. high strength may make backs fall forward more often). Everyone has the same animations in Madden.

A skill based system would only give unique animations to unique players as is seen in APF2k8. It translates much better to actual football.

[livehook]

@4824588 if your defending madden eat shit and die if your not nevermind

[4824588]

@livehook That you for your mature and intelligent response. Much appreciated. Anyway, I'm not defending Madden. I'm defending the numerical system as a principle, which used in, among others, NFL 2K, NCAA, NFL Fever, Tecmo Bowl, Blitz, and yes, Madden. If you knew anything about football games, you would know that the four ratings I aluded to are those used in Backbreaker.

[livehook]

@4824588 YOUR REAL SMART IM REAL STUPID

[livehook]

@4824588 YOU REAL SMART AND IM REAL STUPID

[MrTorchya21]

@4824588 If the computer understands 99 speed...why doesnt the computer understand 12 TRUCKING?! That's the point being demostrated. In this particular football game the computer is not respecting it's own numerical system. Yes SPEED and AGILITY are respected because you can simply speed up or slow down the animations. Now, a great majority of these attributes are trivial. They have been added because people ask for them or to boost overall ratings for specific players.

[TheLLSMUVG]

Wow, you just took the engine hood off the car; and exposed the crap that they (EA) keep seeling to US. I just tried your theory and it was 100% correct. I made the weakest (RB) player possible, and this guy trucked and juked his way from 3rd string on the depth chart to a 92 yard, 3 touchdowns, player of the GAME, and CRUNCHTIME play of the game. This game is utter CRAP. Wow, what an eye opener. Cheers

[ikanipo]

so you basically have a junior varsity running back who could possibly make the pro bowl? lol this is why I haven't bought a Madden since '08.

[addzack11]

The only thing I like about Madden 11 is franchise mode but its been stail for a couple of years.

[TeaParty2012]

What is this runners elusiveness? I don't remember you mentioning it.

[nykia31]

I love people who play on all madden, and complain that ratings do not matter. Its like going for a swim and wondering why you are wet.

[CAPTAINDEGENERATIONX]

@nykia31 ur comment doesnt make sense dude

[nykia31]

@CAPTAINDEGENERATIONX My comment is simple.

Increased difficulty skews CPU controlled players

This happens in all sports games. Play NBA2k11 on Hall of Fame Difficulty, and you will see the CPU turn bums like Chris Duhon into Steve Nash.

Do this 'experiment' either on default All-Pro, or with a 'good' All Pro difficulty or lower difficulty level slider set. You wont see this stuff happen. You can find good slider sets.

Ryan or Versuz wont do that though, because it ruins the agenda

[Shutitdown505]

@nykia31 HA HA, Your right, He puts it on the all madden and gets mad because they start truckin his ass and then says it's the games fault. HA HA what a idiot.

[ShirtOffLJay]

death to all who fund and engineer this piece of shit

[csm07cb]

best thing is madden fans wont show any video proff of it not working, they will just insult you for actually going through the work to show how pathetic this game is

[ThikPaper]

@csm07cb That is soooo true

[jcodbf2]

Outside of the main point of the video.. The throwing animations are hideous.

[scb083]

@jcodbf2 it so robotic everything n this game is robotic

[etjester]

It's a safety because the holder is kneeling in the end zone.

[RyanMoody21]

@etjester Thanks, I knew it was something didnt think of that.

[RelVleDy]

@etjester So then if the holder didn't want to get a safety, he'd have to hold the football for the kicker while standing up? That would be funny to see.

[BM1F]

madden is justt too funny & dumb... during a kick return only one person tackles u & the rest of them crumble to make it look like shit goin on LMAO ea step yall game the fuck up

[wcw209suck]

DId you put the game in ALL-Madden mode? If yes then the rating doesn't matter anymore.