Bizarre Phenomenon---Ice Projectiles

[bigchefandy]

Grr... can't paste links here.

Go on google and search for "ice spikes".

The first result is an article on the phenomena at on the Caltech website.

[illdrew818]

How Bizarre! maybe there was some chemical in the water and some reaction occurred

[jaypiff888]

sorry to rain on your parade but it is most likely possible that during the process of freezing maybe water from the top of you freezer drips and at a moment that drip freezes.

[bsatom]

Mine does it every once in a while. I lived here for 9 years before it happened several times in a year. Same fridge. Has not happened in months. Water contracts slightly until 35 degrees, then it expands greatly from 35 to 32 degrees. I figure the expanding water inside the cube breaches the frozen exterior at the weakest point, and creates a slow motion freezing fountain. But why the strange timing? I do NOT agree with the fan pulling the water upwards hypothesis at all.

[Jangle2007]

@bsatom - INteresting theory, and the best one going at this time. The evap fan theory bellow doesn't sound plausible.

The question though is, how old is this ice formation in the freezer?...w/in say 24 hours, or is it months old. The difference would likely include at least one defrost cycle. I'm trying to imagine a whether the de-frost cycle could be at work here, in combination with the fan causing an angled ice stalagmite.

[neonracer482]

the only thing i can think of is the evap. coil in ur freezer might be a little plugged up and causes the evap. fan to draw more amps, thus creating a hard suction air flow. the evap. fan slightly pulls on the water as it freezes and by the time the water is turned to ice it has formed a "pillar". make sense??? iv seen some pretty bizzare things happen with refrigeration units!!

[WolYou]

Growing cristals. Not a "projectile".

[DemonWolf60]

bet that makes em easy to get out of the tray huh

[TechnologicsCoLtD]

This happens so many times all throughout my life that I never really thought anything of it.

Put a a camera in your freezer and see what happens.

[HinataFan1111]

it happens all the time to me, but i dun get pics, srry

[juljul2906]

its an ice crystal...

[troubledseed]

Yes but the point of the video is how it happend? how did it occur in the freezer? this is why the video exist.

[alexandraphipps]

this happened to me a few times and i also took pictures. i took sent them to some physicists and chemists through a biologist friend of mine and it turns out that the phenomenon has been studied and can apparently be repeated with the right variables. i'd forward you the science stuff they sent me on the subject but i can't find it right now. i just remember that the chances of getting these ice spikes/projectiles increases w/ the purity of the water.

[4theWorld2c]

Thanks for sharing. I have had people respond and tell me they have seen this before. I have had people respond and tell me the special conditions necesary for this to occur.

I have never had anyone repsond with a picture of one that they either created or

occurred naturally.

I've had this happen with tap water in NYC, and water in Florida.

I look forward to seeing a picture of one that occured naturally, and especially of one deliberatley created w/o any special conditions.

[4theWorld2c]

I recently had another one occur.

It lasted for almost a week after surviving a number of defrost cycles. It was almost 3" long on a similar angle.

If you do a You Tube search, apparently this is the only one on You Tube, I just discovered.

[alexandraphipps]

well then it seems we've discovered that nyc's liquids have a curious talent for icy tentacles. i'm on manhattan's upper west side and it's with the tap water from whichever reservoir that this area gets that my ice cube trays occasionally sponsor such art. i have in fact found some pictures of some projectiles i documented in 2006. i will try to forward them to your youtube account. if it doesn't work, message me your email and i'll forward them to you that way.

[bobnot75]

crap video and a crap attitude towards people you sir are an idiot!

[4theWorld2c]

The opinion of a moron is irrelevant.

Thanks for being compelled to share.

Perhaps any of the other multi-millions of other videos producers may appreciate your

your stupidity.

[zyxy45]

Hi!

I was in the area so I thought I would just pay you a visit and say 'Hello my friend' ;-)

Let me know if you ever receive THE picture you are dying for.

[232323C]

@4theWorld2c lol



[OkayMistahJ]

I'm unable to post the rest of that last comment, the long one. It won't post it. I'm sending it to you by PM, please don't be mad.

[LeinadEkkru]

VERY unusual

[zyxy45]

Hi 4theWorld2c, I can't fully explain in in 500 characters and it is useless to re-copy what can be found on the web. You just have to know the exact terms so you can easily Google it.

Google

ice spikes physics

exactly like that (no quotes, no plus, no dash) and look for these two pages which constitute a rather complete explanation - web pages from utoronto and usatoday in the first few results.

Easily reproductible with a very cold and dry freezer, with purest water possible.

Enjoy!

Zyxy

[4theWorld2c]

Please, I encourage you to easily reproduce a 2" ice spike, on a 45 degree angle. Post your own video or send me a picture. Please include a major newspaper headline in the background with a date stamp. I encourage you to make a whole ice tray of them. I have no control over the process, but apparently you do, so please easily reproduce this.

[zyxy45]

I thought you were just curious to know the explanation, as per the video description. I know the phenomenon as I am a physicist and I observed it many times already (outdoor as well). However last year I moved and am now with a new freezer and new ice tray and am not sure if conditions are good for this (low temp, low rel. humidity, etc.) If I see some I will take a pic, but I am not interested to invest many hours for trying. Read on the web, is well known phenomenon, many vids and pics...

[4theWorld2c]

Sounds to me like you are a Legend !!

Sounds like you are a Legend in your own mind.

According to you, this phenomenon is "easily reproducible(reproductible)".

Seems if it so easy and you are a physicist,

you should not no problem and wouldn't have to invest many hours into what is easily "reproductible".

[4theWorld2c]

Perhpas if your freezer isn't good enough, find a friend, neighbor, relative and easily reproduce the projectiles.

Option 1) reproduce a projectile or

Option 2) Consult the Yellow Pages for listings under Psychiatry.

I've had another send me a Wikipedia picture that looked exactly like my projectile, with an irrelevant explanation.

So pick Option 1 or 2. Again, if it's easily reporductible, send me pictures and not excuses.

[zyxy45]

LOL like I'm beaten by your dare challenge. It is just that I'm not interested. By posting this you clearly didn't read the pages I suggested, and you even less cared about Google Image the terms.

I won't buy spring water, buy a humidity gauge and play with many freezers' thermostat just to prove my point. Help yourself on the web and do some effort yourself.

You act like you just made the 21st century's Nobel discovery. I thought helping you, I'm disapointed you dare me..

BTW, not a projectile

[4theWorld2c]

You'e an idiot.

You are the one who said this is easily "reproducible". Read your own information, easily reproduce the phenomenon, and don't make excuses, OR Get Lost !!

I didn't buy Spring water, get a humidity gauge, play with a thermostat or anything else. That's why it is labeled a phenomenon.

I reiterate---easily reproduce this phenomenon

or GET LOST!

If you were/are actually a physicist it must have been for the Bush Gestapo, because you are an idiot. Reproduce or go away.

stupid

[zyxy45]

LOL!!!! You are one easy to pump the rage out of your shitty lame head!

I've never bought spring water nor a humidity gauge myself, still I've seen it many times already. I reiterate in turn: EVEN OUTDOOR I've seen it! It is only coincidentally that you gathered the appropriate conditions. Since they are not SO rare, then the thing happens in many places. When the conditions are NOT good enough, then you have to play around.

It is not by insulting people that you'll get favors. Shame on u.

[zyxy45]

Actually I know why you don't give a shit about an explanation - You would not understand a word of it. Your brain is only amused by images. This is why you absolutely want me to give a pic or video. It is what happen to low IQ. They abuse drugs instead of studying them. They play video games instead of having a career in the field. They passively undergo the waves of life like a leaf on the water without having an insight underneath the surface. You breathe but don't know how many lungs u have.

[4theWorld2c]

ATTN: Cyber Stalker---

If you can't reproduce this GET LOST!

The opinion of a demented moron is irrelevant to me.

Go Away.

[zyxy45]

Will do. Enough time wasted anyway.

[OkayMistahJ]

"I don't wanna read a novel. I'd rather read a picture book." I know a lot of people like that.

[OkayMistahJ]

You can't "control the process". It's not a "phenomenon" in that it isn't a freak occurance. Just because you can't make a tree grow a certain number of limbs doesn't mean that it's a phenomenon. zyxy45 gave you information you asked for. Not everyone has a camera and a lot of free time, but you can go to the page and read up on it. Then you can learn to reproduce the effect yourself. As for makint a 2' spike on a 45 degree angle, you can't bend water to your will. it coul turn out 3cm at...

[4theWorld2c]

Hi Folks,

Rather than folks make empty speculations, and rather than pontificating on your vast knowledge about how these ice projectiles are formed, and rather than a feeble attempt at your psychological analysis and assessment, please, just simply reproduce the "occurence".

I assert that if the "occurence or creation" of ice projectiles in your freezer can not be reproduced by you at will, then the occurence is a "phenomenon".

Please let me know when your pictures can be viewed.

Thanks

[OkayMistahJ]

Some of us don't own freezers. I sent you a link to pictures of actual scientists' "reproduction" of ice spikes. One would think pictures from a scientist would suffice, but you refuse to listen. A "phenomenon" is a two-headed snake or having your heart on the right side of your body (true story) Ice spikes happen all the time, it's basic physics, and that site shows you way better ones than I could even if I DID have the resources. Again, not being rude, but it's simpler to look at the site.

[randallcaster]

Reptiles!!!!

[4theWorld2c]

Morons !!!!

[WHOrtiz]

You may have poured hot water into a cold tray with a very cold freezer. The hot water may have allowed the edges of the cube to freeze faster then the center and bottom of the cube causing cracking as the frozen edges met with the warm center. The freezer froze the water so quickly that it caught the splash from the cracking center.

[OkayMistahJ]

That sounds really plausible.

[MaximusGigantes]

you got hacked son.

[4theWorld2c]

Maximum Estupido

[MaximusGigantes]

haha, that's funny.

[investur]

It's rather simple to me, when crystals form, sometimes two areas with certain structure collide and force the middle upwards, and due to the shape of the middle sliver, it can extrude upwards just like you show.

the real question is how does one replicate this, since it seems relatively uncommon.

[MrRezister]

Seems obvious to me, a traied refrigerologist.

The water is sentient, and as it it trying to escape the prison of it's tray, it is frozen. Sort of like T3 and the liquid robot. Stop drinking your water immediately if not sooner so that it cannot kill you from the inside.

[4theWorld2c]

If people want to submit their ideas, please submit something intelligent. Please try to spell correctly and not at a grade school level.

All moronic comments will be deleted.

[MrRezister]

My apologies all around.

For a while there I thought I was on the internet.

Where humor is allowed.

My mistake, please continue.

[cronk16]

if you are or if you ever applied for a "refrigerologist" job, im sure the first thing they would check is your grammar.

[GBart]

"For a while there I thought I was on the internet."

DON'T EVER STOP

That is exactly what the Internet is all about.

[TennesseeShelties]

my ice does that too.

[griffonlady]

I actualy found a bucket of water that had frozen like that on a larger scale onece. never found out how it happened though.

[Marshall421]

If you look at one of the frames around 15 seconds you can see a divot behind the projectile, it looks to me that the fan in the freezer was blowing on that spot when the ice was forming then slowly crawled up to form an upside down ice cycle. The wind would keep the water moving thus taking longer to freeze. You can also see this effect on a smaller scale if you freeze distiled water.

[Penlord]

If I were to take a swing at guessing for you, it would be that gases lift the water up, such as a cloud, and the more it comes up, it freezes, and sort of stacks on top of the water that has already been frozen. It would take scientific study, but I'm sure it's something around that area.

[Jurassic343]

Wow that really is weird, Never seen that before. =D

[JamesTheBlueWolf]

my ice does that too sometimes. not sure why.

[chinaamann]

i have this i think i know why ice cubes shrink in the cold over time its so slow you wont realize it like spiling a ml of water on your counter top as it evaporates in the freezer sublimates instead and the freezer must instanly change it back to ice not sure though just my 2 cents

[loilk]

my refrigerator also got these problems. i think its because that, when the water is going to freeze and become ice already. then it dripped out from the "ventilation" of the fridge. i saw it before, when the water dripped out and immediately become ice.

[4theWorld2c]

Sorry to hear about your refrigerator problem.

I have no refrigerator problem. I have no dripping of water from the ventilation of the fridge. If you read an earlier response, my refrigerator runs fine, it defrosts regularly, there is no accumulation of ice above the ice trays or on the top of the freezer, there is no dripping from the ventilation, or water dripping anywhere.

I'm not quite certain what you have seen before, but I doubt it is what is in my video.

[truetenkos]

y dont u put a camera in there

[kalifornika]

lol. why don't we put a camera everywhere, so we can dedicate the act to George Orwell aswell ;)

[yazman1]

Ive noticed this phenomenon on ice cubes in my freezer at least 3 times also. I think I took a photo of one of them, but cant remember for sure....but If I find it I will email it to you! I have no idea why this happens, but heres my theory....Could the outside of the cubes freeze first and pressure within the cube finds a weak spot and sort of forces water upwards and freezes as the water pushes out?

Thats my guess. Water actually expands when it freezes...that why soda cans push out if frozen.

[4theWorld2c]

Water expands fairly uniformly. Ice typically does not expand in projectiles on an angle.

Several people have said they have seen this before, but no one has yet to provide a similar picture.

[kalifornika]

is it possible that your freezer is old? because maybe you have water in there if you leave it open for a long time and it will drop down and connect to the cubes.. It wouldn't drop to leave such a shape, it would probably more rather flow aside something inside your freezer above the place u put the ice cubes? GreeZ

[4theWorld2c]

It's a relativly new refrigerator in perfect operating condition. It has a regular automatic defrost cycle, there is no accumulation of moisture or frozen ice anywhere on the top of the freezer compartment. There is no water dripping from the top of the freezer. If that were the case, then the projectile would be vertical and not on an angle, it would be rounded and not pointy.