@MythicalPredator in all due respect, it appears you dont know what you are talking about. i know it seems cool to troll the internet, but I live in London (in the south of it, double wammy) and there are people who are nasty and yobbish, the vast majority are kind, generous and intelligent people, and the gangs you talk about are a real problem, mostly around 15-19 years old, causing a large amounts of crime, and bigoted people like you are not going to help the people caught in that life
@KNTFM You think that there is some vast ocean of cash the rich have, when there really isn't. Sure they have a lot of money per capita but the money they have wont actually go that far. Are trying to turn this country into a communist state, its people like you who we should be worried about! People like you would see the country in ruins, and mate life is tough, deal with it. There will always be some one exploiting some one, look at the russian revolution with Stalkin abusing his power.
@KNTFM Your such a pathetic fool. You talk about the rich elite hoarding vast resources when actually the amount of money the rich in England have is shit all as far as eradicating poverty is concerned so whats your point? The money which can be used to help the poor is the collective income from the whole nation and that is what some of it is being used for, and guess what, the rich are taxed by 50% when the working classes pay much less and sometimes none.
@KNTFM Every child unless they live in abject poverty (rare in the UK) has the same chance of achieving their goals, sure for the wealthy, they may have contacts etc. but actually universities have to accept a certain amount of children from the state education system. Society in HICs is like this: you put in the effort, you achieve however you don't put in the effort, you don't achieve. So would you please like to stop ripping on the wealthy and get off you lazy arse and work!
@AMTNM Never read such bullshit in all my life, fees and cutting grants stops kids from working class backgrounds going to uni, simple as, "universities have to accept a certain amount of children from the state education system" - not all state educated kids are working class so that means nothing at all.
@AMTNM I do work, I do have a job, I never claimed to be unemployed, life is not all about you get out what you put in that is such a simplistic and naive comment the wealthier you are the easier life is and this is enshrined in the current system and being strengthened by that arsehole Cameron. It is far easier to achieve if you can afford to go to the best uni, or set up a business, the richer you or your parents are the easier life is
@AMTNM "Every child unless they live in abject poverty (rare in the UK)" Ok so why does the campaign group "End Child Poverty" claim 1 in 3 kids in the UK live in poverty? (Its on their website under Key Facts - Youtube will not allow links) If you are going to argue use facts not bullshit
@KNTFM Under the U.N. definition of poverty, which is statistically based, the average american household below the poverty line is has two vehicles, a television and more living space than the median income european. Stop basing your ridiculous arguments on emotional manipulation of language. You are not poor in any way, and being working class does not make you better than anyone else. I thought you believed in equality? You live comfortably, get over your angst and work harder.
@willukus This is not the US. Id owork, encouraging me to work harder to give you bastards better profits is not going to happen. Cheap insults do not answer the points I have raised. We live in a society where an elite few are multimillionaires at the expense of many who have nothing. I am not comlaining over my situation, but about the situation as a whole. There ARE people dying of poverty
@willukus Thing is your selfish mindset cannot grapple with the concept that I am angry over a situation that causes OTHER people grief, i.e I am angry on behalf of them i.e. the Mullinses etc. You selfish tossers can't understand the concept of unity/solidarity. I'm not manipulating language/being emotive but producing plain facts. Your inability to rationally counter these arguments and your daddy's money guilt are causing you to throw out unfounded accusations using weak "facts"
@willukus "Under the U.N. definition of poverty, which is statistically based, the average american household below the poverty line is has two vehicles, a television and more living space than the median income european." which has what to do with our conversation. Plus this sounds like bollocks. What household below the poverty line has 2 caes/tv/etc? That is total bollocks, that to me is middle class, but then it is an American stat, the home of Capitalist greed...
@KNTFM id rather be a rich smarmy eton boy whos going to run the country and quaff champagne and cigars on the regular than some grimy working class person living in a council house who has a shit life
@AMTNM I am "ripping on the rich* (stupid phrase) because the rich are selfish and greedy, they hoard vast amounts of resources which results in others going without = food, housing, healthcare etc, they have all doors open to them while others struggle and the elite rich caused the current economic meltdown which the poor are being asked to pay for while those that caused it get away scot free and then I get arseholes like you trying to justify your position with bullshit
@minimacca999 I dont believe that people deserve to be poor, i just believe that they should accept it or try and do something about it, even if it is as difficult as it might be.
capitalism is fair in its harshness. if you give a shit, you can work and get to the top. if you get there you keep working. why? because you can then pay for your descendants wellbeing.
the taxation system reduces this, but further complicates it, so that now if you earn money, you are supporting your family AND all those on benefits.
the core point being this: you just resent the rich because you are not one of them and have been unable to become one of them, despite the chance.
@hcasperk Wrong, to become wealthy you need access to education, or capital to start businesses etc. It is easier for those already wealthy to gain access to further wealth than someone less priviledged, if it were equally easy for all I would have no complaint but it isnt. Mere "working" does not allow you to get "to the top" glass ceilings ring a bell? That most people in the best positions are private educated whitemales from wealthy backgrounds must be an accident according to your "logic"
@KNTFM but the gathering and hoarding of resources is just clever survival, our families had the idea to find and keep resources, whereas others only collected what they needed, so its basically their fault they didnt do the same.
@KNTFM Alan Sugar, not privately educated, left school at 16 = wealthy, explain? also your reference to glass ceilings is from willy wonka's chocolate factory
@MrFGBM Ignorance - glass ceiling is a term used ot describe the causes that stop somebody progressing in their career be that socia economic prejudice, sexism, racism, look it up you ignorant sod
@MrFGBM Alan Sugar wealthy = exploitation, your above point, gathering and hoarding may acceptable in prehistoric times but isdownright selfishness and greed now, no need for it especially when uit causesothers to suffer,the extrem wealth of the few = poverty for the many
@KNTFM My family doesn't hoard or gather resources, thats my point its already been done a long time ago, so there's no need for us to do it anymore. Its the poor people who work their way into wealth who are doing what you're describing.
@KNTFM Could I just point out that my father went to state school, paid his own way through uni and lived in a shit flat (with the shower in the kitchen!) and worked his way up to CEO of one of the largest investment banks in the world. Stop blaming the circumstance. What you fail to understand is that being at 'the top' requires 20 hour working days, no weekends and no family time, most people are not willing to do this and that is why they get paid so much. It's not all champagne and caviar!
@Muffles24 Yeah like that wonderful Windsor family who have had to work 20 hour days to deserve the oppulence they live in, pull the other one its got bells on....
And I'm glad you dad paid hisway through uni, but thanks to another over privileged public school twat (David Cameron) thats going to be lo tharder, if not impossible for poor kids today, no matter how hard they work
Did you know that 79% of tax is payed by 10% of people. I think you need a better understanding of your, I'm sorry what was it... 'socio-economic equality'!!!
@Muffles24 complete crap, look up "Robin Hood Tax", oh yeah and all t he large companies owned by the wealthy who have avoided paying their fair share of taxation.
@KNTFM So you don't think working your ass off and paying millions of pounds tax when you dont use the nhs or state school or street lighting or anything is fair...?! I expect you do because you seem to think the world owes you something
@Muffles24 When you canafford a higher quality of healthj care etc. under our unfair two-tiered system yesh, if you;'ve had it easy its should be your duty to help those who have not, who have not had the opportunities you have
@Muffles24 yeah,socio-economic equality, big words but I'm sure they taught you it at the school daddy paid for you to go to, or maybe not...
Did you know only a tiny percentage f the world's population own the vast majority of its wealth? How's that fair, go on, justify your own priviledge while others are starving and homeless
@KNTFM I'm going to tottally regret asking this but here we go anyway. What would you do to solve this 'problem' then? You think people will work long hours and sacrifice the rest of their lives for average pay?
@Muffles24 Of course not, stupid suggestion, what I detest is the unfair opportnuties available to some and not others, there is nolevel playing field and this is inherent and fixed in the present system, that needs to change, we are slowly working our way towards it but there is a long way to go before unfair priviledge is removed for good, that'swhat i want.
@KNTFM Ok first of all please either learn to spell or be more careful when typing, it's really annoying. Secondly you really don't understand. Would you be able to have a proper think about it and get back to me? It's a waste of my time to debate this with someone who is simply bitter and feeling sorry for themselves. Life is about attitude, have the right one and you are more likely to succeed. You are just blaming everyone but yourself and it's pathetic.
@Muffles24 "Ok first of all please either learn to spell or be more careful when typing, it's really annoying" Not as annoying asbeing lectured by pair of self serving posh kids justifying their greed in the face of poverty and hunger, plus if you have so little in the way of rebuttal that you have to criticise spelling then I think you are onto a loser and should really .
@KNTFM How is it our greed?? We didn't choose to be born into this world, we were just fortunate enough to do so, we're just reaping the rewards from a bit of hard work further down the line. Also this, "I think you are onto a loser and should really ." doesnt make sense. :(
You really don't understand do you, it does not matter how hard you try, if the opportunities are not there to better yourself then what then? Saying it's all about attitude is just plain naive bollocks from somone who has been shielded from the harsh realities of life, and hasto justify thisto preserve the over privilige they have had all their life, that to me is pathetic, not someone who wants to change the world to make it fairer on the have nots
@Muffles24 You try being working class in our unjust society, the only one who is ignorant is you, experience life from the other side of the fence and then tell me I'm ignorant
@KNTFM So what do you think would happen if everyone was working class? Who would pay taxes for you to send your kids to school and pay everyones benefits?!
@Muffles24 DId I say I want everyone to be working class? Ignorant! I want socio-economic equality, not priviledge for the wealthy few while the rest of use suffer, and do the working class not pay taxes? Percentage of earnings-wise we actually pay more tax than the rich, go figure that one out!
@KNTFM you may pay taxes however you also claim the taxes that we, the wealthy, educated section of the country, pay, in the form of benefits. Grow up and take that nasty big chip off your shoulder and accept that some people are simply better than you, not through any qualities, simply because we are more socially and economically better off. No matter how much you may resent this fact, it is a fact and no amount of complaining on youtube will change this. :) £
@MrFGBM You really are a thick wanker, ALL money paid into taxes goes towards benefits, whether paid by an overpriviledged tosser whose had it easy or someone working at minimum wage. Why do the less well paid pay a larger % of their earnings than the wealthy? Can you justify that, how that is in anyway fair? And it may be a fact (for now) but it doesn't mean I have to like it. Notice you can't justify this, you merely expect me to shut up and accept it like a good little prole
@KNTFM no i'm not a "think wanker" you vulgar, irrelevant little turd. You would appear to be the silly, nitwit here, as i was clearly insinuating that you were unemployed and on benefits. And in no part of my little speech did i say that you, the poor, payed a higher % of their earnings, in fact at the moment the country is expecting the wealthy to pay higher taxes, or can you not afford papers, let alone read them. Oh, and would expect you to shut up, like all the other sewer urchins.
@MrFGBM Well it would appear that you ARE a thick wanker, assuming I am on benefits, the clue is in the designation WORKING class. Plus if you loo it was me who said the poor pay a higher rate of tax, you can't even read the posts properly before you reply, you thick wanker. Yes the country expects the rich to pay higher taxes, because right now they pay % wise less taxes, the whole gist of my previous posts, thick wanker. Sewer urchins, ah yes that would be your richkid ignorance coming through
@KNTFM how do the poor pay a higher rate of tax? it merely seems higher as you have less money and means more to you than me. And, a thick wanker is a fairly hypocritical statement seeing as i have 11 gcse's and 5 a levels, more than your entire family. And your comment about us having our safe cages rattled is no more of an overreaction than you defending, for some reason, your lack of social or economic standing.
@MrFGBM statisically the poor pay a higher precentage of their earnings than the wealthy, do some research, look it up. 11GCSE's and 5 A' levels do not appear to have aided your understanding of the way the world works one little bit do they? I am not defending my lack of social standing, merely attacking that of the over priviledged, i.e. you. Would have thought that was quite obvious for someone with 11GCSE's and 5 A' levels......
@KNTFM You are defending your lack of social standing, the same as i'm defending my high social status, your attack of the privileged, which i still cant see why you're using as an insult, is your defence. The reason that i may not know what percentage of tax people pay, is that it doesnt make a difference to me who pays what, as, no matter if they raise the amount of tax the rich pay, it doesnt bother my parents or my own wallet.
@MrFGBM I do not defend my lack of social standing, I point out the inherent injustice in the gulf between the haves and the have nots and the effect this has. I attack the priviledged because their priviledge = others lack of priviledge which results in poor housing, health, conditions, two tiered health care and education, lack of opportunity and reduced life span,
@Mr FGBM if you can't see why that would anger someone you are very naive, despite your ll gcse's and 5 A' levels, your priviledge has shielded you from the reality of life for those not as lucky as yourself, and your glib comments, insults and defence of your own unfair priviledge is merely worsening the situation, one day you will understand
@Muffles24 As ignorant as the rich kid below who refers ot me as a sewer rat because I am working class? You rich kids hate having your nice safe little cages rattles don't you?
@KNTFM your insult really isn't very good, "ignorant rich kid" boo hoo im so insulted that i'm better off than you, and that i pay £10,000 a term to go to school and my shoes cost more than your house, not that that is a lot. Its not that i'm ignorant, its that i don't care.
@MrFGBM Sorry, wasn't expecting to have my insults graded. "Its not that I'm ignorant its that I don't care" Ah I see you're not ignorant you're merely selfish and could not care less about those living in overty, I'm alright mate and all that. Think about that and maybe you'll understand why we hate you so much
@KNTFM theyre not being graded, i simply said it wasnt a very sucessful comment, and im not selfish, i give plenty to charity, even though i'm only 18. How do you know i dont care about people living in poverty?
@KNTFM poverty is not having a home, youtube acount, food and any material possession whatsoever, thats not the position you're in, and at no point in the argument did i say that i say i didnt care for that type of person.
@MrFGBM Where i have i said I live in absolute poverty? You have made many jokes about you being wealthier than I am, the more wealthey you are, the easier your life is and vice versa, you made a suggestion i live on benfits and referred to me as a sewer rat therefore, have you any idea of the deprivation linked to a life on benefits, I somehow doubt it. Your educational achievements have failed to negate your naivety about the world we live in.
@KNTFM i said i didnt care about you, you then said that i wasnt ignorant but selfish because i didnt care about those living in poverty, therefore you called yourself someone living in poverty.
@KNTFM and no i have no idea as to the life of someone living on benefits, so i cant really comment on it, however you have no idea about the life that we lead, so its profoundly hypocritical to comment on this video of public school boys.
@MrFGBM And maybe thats why people hate you so very much. You are over priviledgedand selfish with it, your attitude shows you for what you really arewhen there are people homeless and starving, thats why people are making negative comments about Eton scum, not only your unfair advantages in life but the attitude that goes with it, selfish scum rich kid.
@MrFGBM Poverty does not = homelessness, it is relevant there are degrees of poverty, and as your shoes cost so much more than my house (if I were wealthy enough to own one) in comparison to you I am relatviely poor, those remarks also shows your true attitude to the poor and those in poverty, so quit it with the "I give to charity" backtracking bullshit, you made your thoughts and feeling blatantly clear with your class prejudiced remarks
@KNTFM i do give to charity, but to charities that seems more important, like cancer research and ataxia. i have a different attitude to those in absolute poverty than i do to those who have claim benefits, are unemployed and waste their benefits on trash and then try and play the "poverty" card.
@MrFGBM You are so full of shit its unbeleivable, you think everyone on the dole is lazy? You steroetyping bigotted bastard! We are in the middle of a recession, the biggest in years (caused as ever by the greed of the rich) thousands are being made redundant with no jobs to go to. You really are rich scum, you have no idea of reality do you, what life i really like for people without the privilige you have been born to, you utter bastard. You make me sick to the core, you cruel selfish richscum
@KNTFM No i didnt say that everyone on the dole was lazy, quote where i said that. You just don't seem to understand that far back in my families history, and those of other wealthy people, someone worked hard, so that we could be wealthy. We didnt simply come into existence wealthy, we started with an equal playing field to other people, however we capitalised on that unlike others. Although this is a brutally simply description of events, i have the feeling it wont sink into your head.
@MrFGBM Yes you did your exact words are "i have a different attitude to those in absolute poverty than i do to those who have claim benefits, are unemployed and waste their benefits on trash and then try and play the "poverty" card." So that is exactly what you said
"far back in my families history, and those of other wealthy people, someone worked hard, so that we could be wealthy." Which relies upon the exploitation of others and greed,
@KNTFM and what your ancestors did/did not do doesn't alter that you today have access to resources that others do not, and because of this access you have a longer life/better quality of life, supported by a systyem that keeps the rich rich/the poor poor. that is why we are paying for the bankers' fuck ups with our services, pensions, jobs etc. while they keep their bonuses, and who got their job in the first place under a system that discriminates between state educated and privatly educated
@KNTFM "and what your ancestors did/did not do doesn't alter that you today have access to resources that others do not"......Oh my god, haha, what do you think the term "new money" is? i'm old money, as it has come through my family, exactly what you said doesnt happen, happens in most upperclass wealthy families.
@KNTFM ok, ok, so you're trying to tell me that David Beckham's, Bill Gates' and all those other wealthy peoples families, who weren't privileged when they were young, will have equal opportunities in comparison to someone from a rundown area of London. Or, thanks to the hard work of their family, will they now be educated well, have good jobs? In fact they're almost at more of an advantage to someone of equal wealth because of their family name
@MrFGBM Bill Gates' family were hardly poor to start with, andthey are only the tip of the iceburg of wealthy people,the lucky few from poor, or relatively poorer who have become wealthy, and one through playing football and courting the media which when compared to nurses etc is hardly deserved like I said the very tip of the iceburg,statistically there are very very few people from poor backgrounds who have done so well as the system is tipped against us, please try to find a better argument
@KNTFM Ok so maybe, not people like Bill Gates. But i think you'll find that most sportsmen come from poorer backgrounds, deserved or not they are still some of the most wealthy people on the planet. It may be a minority yet it still shows, it can be done. You still haven't answered my question about Alan Sugar
@KNTFM Also even if it is a minority, will the Beckhams children, or will they not, have better educations and lifestyles thanks to the hard work of their families? Thats my point, as well as the fact they came from humble backgrounds, that their families will benefit from hard work, just like my family has from my ancestors hard work
@MrFGBM Still only a very tiny minority plucked from the poor/working class due to sills that are, sadly, valued more than they should be. The majority of the wealthy are where they are because of priviledge and a system that keeps the rich rich and the poor poor despite the few token sportsmen - as if that is any proof of anything
@KNTFM Well it at least we agree on the over valued skills part. But my point is that their families will now benefit, like our families have, because of their effort.
@MrFGBM effort or just plain luck? Why are skills suchas ball control deemed to be worthy of reward more so than say nursing skills, or child care, I owluld rather someone who looks after homeless kids be rewarded more than a footballer
@KNTFM I dont see how you cant see the fact that someone has simply worked hard in the past, even if it did involve "exploitation" your family had the chance at one point yet didnt capitalise on it, and now, thanks to that hard work, my current generation has it easy. And dont play the "my family has morals" because this conversation could have easily been the other way around, i could have been the poor one and you could have been wealthy, then you wouldnt be complaining
@MrFGBM " I dont see how you cant see the fact that someone has simply worked hard in the past, even if it did involve "exploitation"" and theres the nub of it. Many people of weatlhy backgrounds are so because their families used the worse kinds of exploitation, slave trade/cruel factory conditions/dangerous mining/slate works etc.
@KNTFM Even today'sbig companies use Asian sweatshops. And you think this exploitation is acceptable because it has made your family rich? You seriously need to reassess your world view point because it is people with your attitude that has fucked things for everyone else, the "I'm alright mate fuck you" tendancy has screwed us from the start,and the fact that greed is enshrined in the system makes thiseven more galling
@KNTFM No this isn't acceptable, but that has nothing to do with my families wealth, as it has come through generations and generations, so i dont actually know how my family became wealthy.
@MrFGBM So you don't know whether they became wealthy through exploiting workers/slaves etc or not? Maybe your great-great-great-great-great grandad was good at football....
And anyway,, this is not about your family and them alone, this is about a whole class of over privileged people and the fact that their privilege is protected while others are condemned through lack of opportunity to relative poverty/two tier education/health systems
@KNTFM Well maybe that is how i became wealthy, but i'm not sure that was around in william the conquerers time, as this is where i have traced family money back to. Even if this isnt just my family, plenty of the wealthy people have a similar story. Remember that when i talk about wealthy people, i mean families that you can trace back, not the new money people who have the family history of a squashed hedgehog.
@KNTFM Ha, thats not my fault, there's nothing i could have done to stop my family becoming wealthy. Basically, its one of those things, you hate it until you have it. This conversation, as i said earlier, could easily have been the other way around, you could be insulting me about having no money, and then you'd be fine with the idea of wealth.
@KNTFM Congratulations you understood my point. If it was the other way around, you would be defending your wealth and you would have the same opinions as i do, just as i would be the angry communist who gets all worked up because he had no money and was jealous, even though he insulted the opposing party first.
@MrFGBM Not jealousy, an anger at injustice, when people starve and are homeless while others live in the lap of luxury with far more than they need then yes I am angry, like I said, try seeing life from the other side of the fence, then perhaps you have and it is your guiltthat makes you so defensive
@KNTFM also these slave trade/cruel factory conditions/dangerous mining/slate works etc are all basically late 17th and 18th century factors, from the industrial revolution, apart from maybe the slave trade. My family's wealth goes way beyond that and so will most of these Eton boys, as we aren't new money.
@MrFGBM It was gnerally "old money" like yours that owned the companies that used factories/sold slaves = they had the capital to stump up the outlay for it all, no-one in pov erty could afford to build a factory out of fuck now could they, take it one of your gcse's wasn't history...
@KNTFM No it wasn't actually, i'm only interested in military history, which we didnt do at gcse level, not the industrial revolution. Well obviously they couldn't have built a factory out of fuck, as fuck isn't a thing, duh.
@MrFGBM ah right tha would explain yourignorance then, By th way your fuck isn't a thing comment isvery immature and shows exactly how little you canargue with the facts I produce
@KNTFM Well yes it probably would show my ignorance in Victorian society and the industrial revolution, but thats like me choosing a subject that i know lots about, and you don't, and then getting all hyper when you didnt know the answer. Although you'd probably go and look it up on wikipedia like a real fag, rather than just accepting that you dont know the answer.
@MrFGBM Problem is you hate the ones you hate based on an unfair and prejudiced stereotype that does not take in access to employment, recession etc. You are a bigot
@KNTFM Again i'm not sure you understand, the two ends of the scale 1. those in absolute poverty. 2. those who claim benefits yet deliberately do nothing about their situation. The people who claim benefits yet at least try to find work, or try to get themselves out of their situation, do not fall into this category. So those in that category deserve this stereotype.
@KNTFM well scum employs filth, dirt, degredation, so actually its you. Also there's no point using my wealth as an arguement against me and then getting even angrier when i use your lack of wealth against you
@MrFGBM My lack of wealth does not give me special privilegesenshrined within the current system that I wield over other people unlike your oppulence, try to remember that,
"Scum employs filth dirt etc. What a crap comment, makes no sense whatsoever, you really need to try to see what life is like outside of your cusioned existence and then maybe, just maybe, you will understand, but I doubt it, you are a typical spoilt little rich kid, "I'm all right mate fuck everyone else"
@KNTFM Well obviously you didnt do an English gcse, did you even do any? "scum employs filth, dirt, degredation, so actually its you" makes perfect sense, you dont thinnk it does as you dont understand what degredation means. You called me rich scum, when actually you're the scum. I'll simplify this for your minute little mind, scum= dirt, filth, degredation=hypocritical as that is what you are.
@MrFGBM I don't understand it dut to your misaprehension that I am dirt, filth, etc. Just because I understandably despise wealth nd privilege does not make me filth, if anything you are the filth for trying to justify your excess of respurces in the face of the problems those in poverty face
@KNTFM I don't know if you've realised but i'm a teenager, i'm not hoarding any resources, i'm not able to control my families wealth or their businesses, i cant change the society we live in, so quit it with the "hoarding resources" thats simply what the whole worlds doing, and how we live. Well now that you know that i've told you you are, it does make sense, and it will make sense to all those other people reading this, saying that you are a whiny little child, with a rather large chip
@KNTFM also being a spoilt little rich kid, doesnt bother me, because in the world i live in, that's how we all are, its the normal. And now after my comment you can say your communist remarks about how we are all too wealthy, and we should give all our money away, and we can all live with fairy dust and happily ever after. But you obviously dont realise that, even if we were all equal, someone will always exploit another, thats just how we humans are. The sooner you realise this, the better
@MrFGBM "also being a spoilt little rich kid, doesnt bother me," that is obvious, problem is the small over privilieged world you live in isnt the real world where people suffer privation to allow you your life of luxury. Have you ever read "The Spirt Level"? - produces hard facts as to the effects of severe economic disparity on the population, crime levels, privation etc. You should read that, and other such works, instead of repeating your "I'm alright mate fuck you comments over &over again
@KNTFM I dont read those communist books, i'm far more cultured. Is that a bad thing, that my "over privileged" lifestyle has let me encounter other cultures, or is that nasty? And not once have i said i'm alright mate fuck you, its only your enterpretation of what i say, and even if it was what i was saying, it would only be directed at you and not the poor in general.
@MrFGBM You mean you restrict your reading to a narrow range of material that won't challenge you preconceptions, that is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard, and it is not "Communist" at all, your arguments rest solely on your defence of your families right to extreme wealth in the face of the poverty and need that hoarding such resources naturally brings hence the " i'm alright mate fuck you" is certainly applicable
@KNTFM It just doesn't interest me. If you were to ask me something on war or t.s eliot, i'd be much more inclined to have a decent conversation about the relevant literature. Why would i read a book on something that attacks everything about my life, that would simply be boring, it would be like you reading a book about the amazing life the wealthy lead and how the poor deserve to be poor, would you read that?
@KNTFM "it is not "Communist" at all" as you put it "thats the most ignorant thing i have ever heard", your arguements are almost the basis for communism, you want socio-economic equality, you hate anyone who is above your social or economic status and you want "fairness", you seemed vaguely intelligent, yet you still seem to believe the world is a fair place, the dog shouldn't eat the animal it has killed because its unfair that the cat doesnt get any, even though it didnt kill anything.
@MrFGBM Socio-economic equality would reduce many of the problems facing civilization, I do not hate everybody above me, I hate the system that enshrines priviledge despite the suffering it causes and people like you who refuse to see the problems or deliberatly ignore them out of guilt, I do not feel the world is a fair place, hence my political philosphy you utter fool, if I thought it was fair I would not be opposed to priviledge, do I need to explain that in monosylabic words Mr. Eton?
@MrFGBM "you still seem to believe the world is a fair place, the dog shouldn't eat the animal it has killed because its unfair that the cat doesnt get any, even though it didnt kill anything"
I genuinly laughed at this comment, succinct analogies not your strong point...old chap
@MrFGBM I will when you ddo, I have raised copius points which you have ever ignored, or answered with your usual"I'm alright mate fuck you" comments, you dismissed the book I suggested as "Communist" - completeley innacurate, you are all in all a sad little man who has benefittedvery little from the expensive education your daddy has forked out shitloads for
@KNTFM Well actually i'm i very bored teenager. Also i'm not the one bleeding my heart out for the poor and argueing with a child on facebook, so it would actually appear that you're the very very sad little turd.
@KNTFM your book is communist as well, as it seems, from what you've descibed it as, it has all the fundamentals of communism which i have stated in my previous post somewhere. Anyway if i dont respond for a while thats because i've gone back to school so if you respond to these posts, it will take me a while to respond. Well this is goodbye, you're about to become the butt of all of my schoolboy jokes, congratulations, "look at this little poor man whos terribly jealous of us" happy halloween x
@MrFGBM Commujnism, you thick fuck, is a political theory with concrete tennets that identify it s such, the book entitled "The Spirit Level" puts forward an opinion, backed up with data, suggesting that huge economic disparity causes social problems, it does not put forward a complete change to stateand govt according to the theories of Marx and Engal's Communist manifesto, but suggests that we should reduce disparity for a more socially cohesive/peaceful society. Your ignorance is astounding
@MrFGBM "Anyway if i dont respond for a while thats because i've gone back to school " No because you are aware that your arguments, such as they are, are paper thin and failing
" it has all the fundamentals of communism which i have stated in my previous post somewhere" You have not described these "fundamentals" and I doubt you truly understand what Communism is, nor have you read the book I mentioned so how would you know what it it says?
@MrFGBM "you're about to become the butt of all of my schoolboy jokes, congratulations, "look at this little poor man whos terribly jealous of us"
Your schoolboy jokesare neithe here nor there, but I suspect your matesmay bve laughing at you for being made to look ignorant and stupid on facebook by a frightful oik, as indeed you have.
@KNTFM As I have stated earlier, if you had bothered to read, I'm not jealous, the thought of being like you disgusts me, you'll realise why when you mature, I am angry at a society/system that allows a small% of the population to live in extreme oppulence while others starve/are homeless, enjoy your studies, I hope you pay better attention to your classes than you have up until now, wouldn't want you wasting Daddy's money, do come back later so I can tear your arguments apart once more
@KNTFM if you feel that strongly about it, go and join the anti capitalist protesters... Everyone is born entitled to a free education which is more than enough to give everyone the opportunity to make something of themselves. There are plenty of routes out of homelessness and poverty, even in the current economic situation. Don't be bitter because you can't send your kids to a good school, and your parents couldn't send you to one
@sedwarg I have protested against capitalism, as time and money allows. I agree everyone is entitled to a free education and there are plenty of routesto improve yourself however the poorer you are the less opportunities are available, which is unfair and immoral. However when it comes to homelessness and abject poverty I'm afraid there are very very few - have you tried to get a job or apply for a degree course with no fixed abode (let alone minus fees/cash to live on?)
@sedwarg I am not bitter, this is the standard rich kid excuse ("you're jealous.") No, I'm angry at an immoral situation that has been made worse by the current tory Govt. Google the names "Helen and Mark Mullins" and tell me how their story makes you feel, 2 people who decided to top themselves as they could no longer afford to live, and tell me thats fair, tell me that happens in a fair and decent,m equitable society, and I will tell you to go fuck yourself
@KNTFM I heard that story and to be honest i thought suicide was completely unnecessary. They were still a lot better off than some people. They had a house! They could have claimed benefits! And you are bitter. I can tell that from the fact you're blaming all your problems on everyone except yourself. Go join the communist party and enjoy being shunned by society, I'll enjoy being accepted as a member of the Tories. Capitalism has a long history of working, communism does not.
@sedwarg Perhaps if they had a towering intellect like yourself to remind them that benefits were an option. I'm sure they killed themselves without bothering to research their predicament as thoroughly as you would. Suicide is so easy, isn't it?
But then again, so you seem so disconnected from reality that you think that actually having a place to live makes you better off than some people. You'll be walking past homeless people thinking "Hes doing ok, I mean hes got clothes and everything".
@ThisIsWater7 No, I'm saying poverty wasn't the cause of their death. The cause of their death was the fact they didn't try to get help. You don't just commit suicide because you're poor. A lot of people are poor and 'happy'. They probably had depression.
Obviously it makes them better off, or hadn't you realised that houses were worth money? Again, if you feel so strongly about this, stop being a keyboard warrior and take some action. It's just like moaning about the govt. and then not voting..
@sedwarg " or hadn't you realised that houses were worth money?" This sums your outlook upo beautifully, you think everyone owns their own house don't you? Ignorant idiot. Take a good look at the world around you without the blinkers of your huge bank accoiunt and then tell me you think the present sytem is fair. These people simply could not afford to live. DO you think it is fair that the bankers greed caused the economic problems we have right now bu that poor people are paying for it?
@sedwarg I take it you mean you cannot logically argue your point asbasically I am right and you are merely defending your sickening privilege and greed and you have not, and cannot be bothered to research and read up on the facts I have presented.
@sedwarg You know thew house they had yeah, it was RENTED from the council and they could not afford the rent! They were claiming benefitrs and the Tory's stopped them with their new "tighter regulations" leaving thewmn with no money. You may have "heard" about the story but you have not "read about it in depth" I suggest you now go and do so.
@sedward I am certainly not blaming my problems on anybody, compared ot most I have few problems. Its just that I have had a good look at the world around me and decided it is very unfair andd needs to change. Why does every spoilt rigght wing little brat immediatly think you are a tory the moment their Daddy's money advantages lifestyle is threatenend? Accepted as a member of the Tory party? Yeah only by other greedy selfish tories such as yourself
@sedwarg And don't worry, you will not end up like me (a proud member of the working class) - your daddy's money will cushion little Fauntleroy through life and you'll never have to worry about where the next meal is coming from, or keeping a roof over your head, and we wouldn't want s notty nosed stuck no-nothing like you, we have standards
@KNTFM Of course I had a lot of points that I would have liked to argue; I'm just not sad enough to list them across 3 comments like you. I'd rather write something productive, like a politics essay, rather than trying fruitlessly to change a strangers views on something that they are clearly dead set on.
@sedwarg Absolute crap, if you had something relevant to say you would say it, the media used is irrelevant instead of resorting to cheap excuses and even cheaper insults to cover your lack of argument, fact is under the present system the privileged few gain a comfortable life while the rest of us fight over the scraps, and at the bottom of the pile you have people in absolute poverty, homless, starving, no healthcare, nothing, and nothing you can say can support that as moral and proper
@KNTFM I haven't used an insult once. I just see this as a blatant waste of time. It's obvious that neither of us is going to change the other's views. Not that I care it's not like I'll ever meet you - although if I do, I promise you a proper debate ;)
@sedwarg "I haven't used an insult once" i don't care
"It's obvious that neither of us is going to change the other's views." No not while there is injustice and you have a life of privilege as a result
"although if I do, I promise you a proper debate" Just try a bit harder than you have here, don't resort to tired upper-middle class defensive stances (you are a communist etc) and understand houroughly everything I say (i.e. who the Mullins' were/the circumstances around their deaths
@KNTFM "don't resort to tired upper-middle class defensive stances" - you can't say that, and then resort to stereotypes yourself, accusing anyone who disagrees with you of being "a tory brat who lives in a bubble world cusioned by daddy's money." More importantly, there has always been inequality/differences in wealth/privilege, throughout our existence. Blathering on about it and being bitter and abusive won't change that
@storminhl "More importantly, there has always been inequality/differences in wealth/privilege, throughout our existence. Blathering on about it and being bitter and abusive won't change that"
Really? They said the same thing about ending slavery, women's sufferage, the Labour movement and many other social advances made by people speaking out against injustice
@KNTFM There always will be inequality and everything else that irritates you so much. If it means so much to you, give money to charities that help less fortunate people, or go and do some volunteer work in your community. If you're going to be so idealistic and aggressive, keep your thoughts to yourself
@storminhl I already donate money and time to causes. Thing is this won't change the situation merely temporarily alleviate the suffering of a few individuals, what is needed is complete societal reform. This will only happen by idealistic and aggressive people speaking out. If such people kept quiet we would still be living in a feudal medieval society. Slowly but surely equality is dawning, even if it has taken decades. Keep my thoughts to myself? Fuck off, this is 1 oik that won't be silenced
gay as fuck
sprPee 3 weeks ago
@MythicalPredator in all due respect, it appears you dont know what you are talking about. i know it seems cool to troll the internet, but I live in London (in the south of it, double wammy) and there are people who are nasty and yobbish, the vast majority are kind, generous and intelligent people, and the gangs you talk about are a real problem, mostly around 15-19 years old, causing a large amounts of crime, and bigoted people like you are not going to help the people caught in that life
tomtith17 3 weeks ago
I think I saw a young david cameron in there somewhere....
TelevisionBritish 4 weeks ago 3
I saw me, it was a joke that included tha beaks.
SimonB67 1 month ago
*Stalin
AMTNM 2 months ago
haha etonians are so funny! soo cool
206151 2 months ago 2
@KNTFM You think that there is some vast ocean of cash the rich have, when there really isn't. Sure they have a lot of money per capita but the money they have wont actually go that far. Are trying to turn this country into a communist state, its people like you who we should be worried about! People like you would see the country in ruins, and mate life is tough, deal with it. There will always be some one exploiting some one, look at the russian revolution with Stalkin abusing his power.
AMTNM 2 months ago
@KNTFM Your such a pathetic fool. You talk about the rich elite hoarding vast resources when actually the amount of money the rich in England have is shit all as far as eradicating poverty is concerned so whats your point? The money which can be used to help the poor is the collective income from the whole nation and that is what some of it is being used for, and guess what, the rich are taxed by 50% when the working classes pay much less and sometimes none.
AMTNM 2 months ago
FENNNNTTTTTOOOOONNNNN
shaftsbury94 2 months ago 2
@shaftsbury94 Oh lord. I'll never forget that. xD
alhartnivin 1 month ago
@KNTFM Every child unless they live in abject poverty (rare in the UK) has the same chance of achieving their goals, sure for the wealthy, they may have contacts etc. but actually universities have to accept a certain amount of children from the state education system. Society in HICs is like this: you put in the effort, you achieve however you don't put in the effort, you don't achieve. So would you please like to stop ripping on the wealthy and get off you lazy arse and work!
AMTNM 2 months ago
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@AMTNM Never read such bullshit in all my life, fees and cutting grants stops kids from working class backgrounds going to uni, simple as, "universities have to accept a certain amount of children from the state education system" - not all state educated kids are working class so that means nothing at all.
KNTFM 2 months ago
@AMTNM I do work, I do have a job, I never claimed to be unemployed, life is not all about you get out what you put in that is such a simplistic and naive comment the wealthier you are the easier life is and this is enshrined in the current system and being strengthened by that arsehole Cameron. It is far easier to achieve if you can afford to go to the best uni, or set up a business, the richer you or your parents are the easier life is
KNTFM 2 months ago
@AMTNM "Every child unless they live in abject poverty (rare in the UK)" Ok so why does the campaign group "End Child Poverty" claim 1 in 3 kids in the UK live in poverty? (Its on their website under Key Facts - Youtube will not allow links) If you are going to argue use facts not bullshit
KNTFM 2 months ago
@KNTFM Under the U.N. definition of poverty, which is statistically based, the average american household below the poverty line is has two vehicles, a television and more living space than the median income european. Stop basing your ridiculous arguments on emotional manipulation of language. You are not poor in any way, and being working class does not make you better than anyone else. I thought you believed in equality? You live comfortably, get over your angst and work harder.
willukus 2 months ago
@willukus This is not the US. Id owork, encouraging me to work harder to give you bastards better profits is not going to happen. Cheap insults do not answer the points I have raised. We live in a society where an elite few are multimillionaires at the expense of many who have nothing. I am not comlaining over my situation, but about the situation as a whole. There ARE people dying of poverty
KNTFM 2 months ago
@willukus Thing is your selfish mindset cannot grapple with the concept that I am angry over a situation that causes OTHER people grief, i.e I am angry on behalf of them i.e. the Mullinses etc. You selfish tossers can't understand the concept of unity/solidarity. I'm not manipulating language/being emotive but producing plain facts. Your inability to rationally counter these arguments and your daddy's money guilt are causing you to throw out unfounded accusations using weak "facts"
KNTFM 2 months ago
@willukus "Under the U.N. definition of poverty, which is statistically based, the average american household below the poverty line is has two vehicles, a television and more living space than the median income european." which has what to do with our conversation. Plus this sounds like bollocks. What household below the poverty line has 2 caes/tv/etc? That is total bollocks, that to me is middle class, but then it is an American stat, the home of Capitalist greed...
KNTFM 2 months ago
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@KNTFM id rather be a rich smarmy eton boy whos going to run the country and quaff champagne and cigars on the regular than some grimy working class person living in a council house who has a shit life
vondembach20 2 months ago
@AMTNM I am "ripping on the rich* (stupid phrase) because the rich are selfish and greedy, they hoard vast amounts of resources which results in others going without = food, housing, healthcare etc, they have all doors open to them while others struggle and the elite rich caused the current economic meltdown which the poor are being asked to pay for while those that caused it get away scot free and then I get arseholes like you trying to justify your position with bullshit
KNTFM 2 months ago
You spend ages waiting for a bus and then sadly, three don't come at once.
jonny616 2 months ago
PIP PIP CHEERIO
Adrical10 2 months ago
Some of these runts will be politicians. We're fucked.
martynblackburn1977 3 months ago
@martynblackburn1977 The next tory govt in fact, yes we are all fucked
KNTFM 2 months ago
???
MrAshonicko 3 months ago
They probably all running from 1 chav , pussies XD
SafeAzFuck 4 months ago
@minimacca999 I dont believe that people deserve to be poor, i just believe that they should accept it or try and do something about it, even if it is as difficult as it might be.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
capitalism is fair in its harshness. if you give a shit, you can work and get to the top. if you get there you keep working. why? because you can then pay for your descendants wellbeing.
the taxation system reduces this, but further complicates it, so that now if you earn money, you are supporting your family AND all those on benefits.
the core point being this: you just resent the rich because you are not one of them and have been unable to become one of them, despite the chance.
hcasperk 4 months ago 2
@hcasperk Wrong, to become wealthy you need access to education, or capital to start businesses etc. It is easier for those already wealthy to gain access to further wealth than someone less priviledged, if it were equally easy for all I would have no complaint but it isnt. Mere "working" does not allow you to get "to the top" glass ceilings ring a bell? That most people in the best positions are private educated whitemales from wealthy backgrounds must be an accident according to your "logic"
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM so how did some people become wealthy and others became poor?
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM exploitation mostly, gathering and hoarding of resources, unfair advantages edploited unfairly
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM but the gathering and hoarding of resources is just clever survival, our families had the idea to find and keep resources, whereas others only collected what they needed, so its basically their fault they didnt do the same.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@KNTFM Alan Sugar, not privately educated, left school at 16 = wealthy, explain? also your reference to glass ceilings is from willy wonka's chocolate factory
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM Ignorance - glass ceiling is a term used ot describe the causes that stop somebody progressing in their career be that socia economic prejudice, sexism, racism, look it up you ignorant sod
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM well that maybe but its also from willy wonka
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM Alan Sugar wealthy = exploitation, your above point, gathering and hoarding may acceptable in prehistoric times but isdownright selfishness and greed now, no need for it especially when uit causesothers to suffer,the extrem wealth of the few = poverty for the many
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM My family doesn't hoard or gather resources, thats my point its already been done a long time ago, so there's no need for us to do it anymore. Its the poor people who work their way into wealth who are doing what you're describing.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@KNTFM Could I just point out that my father went to state school, paid his own way through uni and lived in a shit flat (with the shower in the kitchen!) and worked his way up to CEO of one of the largest investment banks in the world. Stop blaming the circumstance. What you fail to understand is that being at 'the top' requires 20 hour working days, no weekends and no family time, most people are not willing to do this and that is why they get paid so much. It's not all champagne and caviar!
Muffles24 4 months ago
@Muffles24 Yeah like that wonderful Windsor family who have had to work 20 hour days to deserve the oppulence they live in, pull the other one its got bells on....
And I'm glad you dad paid hisway through uni, but thanks to another over privileged public school twat (David Cameron) thats going to be lo tharder, if not impossible for poor kids today, no matter how hard they work
KNTFM 4 months ago
Did you know that 79% of tax is payed by 10% of people. I think you need a better understanding of your, I'm sorry what was it... 'socio-economic equality'!!!
Muffles24 4 months ago
@Muffles24 complete crap, look up "Robin Hood Tax", oh yeah and all t he large companies owned by the wealthy who have avoided paying their fair share of taxation.
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM So you don't think working your ass off and paying millions of pounds tax when you dont use the nhs or state school or street lighting or anything is fair...?! I expect you do because you seem to think the world owes you something
Muffles24 4 months ago
@Muffles24 When you canafford a higher quality of healthj care etc. under our unfair two-tiered system yesh, if you;'ve had it easy its should be your duty to help those who have not, who have not had the opportunities you have
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM How dare you call it easy! If it's so 'easy' then why don't you get off your fay lazy arse and do something!!!!
Muffles24 4 months ago
@Muffles24 yeah,socio-economic equality, big words but I'm sure they taught you it at the school daddy paid for you to go to, or maybe not...
Did you know only a tiny percentage f the world's population own the vast majority of its wealth? How's that fair, go on, justify your own priviledge while others are starving and homeless
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM I'm going to tottally regret asking this but here we go anyway. What would you do to solve this 'problem' then? You think people will work long hours and sacrifice the rest of their lives for average pay?
Muffles24 4 months ago
@Muffles24 Of course not, stupid suggestion, what I detest is the unfair opportnuties available to some and not others, there is nolevel playing field and this is inherent and fixed in the present system, that needs to change, we are slowly working our way towards it but there is a long way to go before unfair priviledge is removed for good, that'swhat i want.
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM Ok first of all please either learn to spell or be more careful when typing, it's really annoying. Secondly you really don't understand. Would you be able to have a proper think about it and get back to me? It's a waste of my time to debate this with someone who is simply bitter and feeling sorry for themselves. Life is about attitude, have the right one and you are more likely to succeed. You are just blaming everyone but yourself and it's pathetic.
Muffles24 4 months ago
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@Muffles24 "Ok first of all please either learn to spell or be more careful when typing, it's really annoying" Not as annoying asbeing lectured by pair of self serving posh kids justifying their greed in the face of poverty and hunger, plus if you have so little in the way of rebuttal that you have to criticise spelling then I think you are onto a loser and should really .
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM How is it our greed?? We didn't choose to be born into this world, we were just fortunate enough to do so, we're just reaping the rewards from a bit of hard work further down the line. Also this, "I think you are onto a loser and should really ." doesnt make sense. :(
MrFGBM 4 months ago
You really don't understand do you, it does not matter how hard you try, if the opportunities are not there to better yourself then what then? Saying it's all about attitude is just plain naive bollocks from somone who has been shielded from the harsh realities of life, and hasto justify thisto preserve the over privilige they have had all their life, that to me is pathetic, not someone who wants to change the world to make it fairer on the have nots
KNTFM 4 months ago
LOL
pricyxox 4 months ago
Rich scum
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM Wow that's ignorant!
Muffles24 4 months ago
@Muffles24 You try being working class in our unjust society, the only one who is ignorant is you, experience life from the other side of the fence and then tell me I'm ignorant
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM So what do you think would happen if everyone was working class? Who would pay taxes for you to send your kids to school and pay everyones benefits?!
Muffles24 4 months ago
@Muffles24 DId I say I want everyone to be working class? Ignorant! I want socio-economic equality, not priviledge for the wealthy few while the rest of use suffer, and do the working class not pay taxes? Percentage of earnings-wise we actually pay more tax than the rich, go figure that one out!
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM you may pay taxes however you also claim the taxes that we, the wealthy, educated section of the country, pay, in the form of benefits. Grow up and take that nasty big chip off your shoulder and accept that some people are simply better than you, not through any qualities, simply because we are more socially and economically better off. No matter how much you may resent this fact, it is a fact and no amount of complaining on youtube will change this. :) £
MrFGBM 4 months ago 2
@MrFGBM You really are a thick wanker, ALL money paid into taxes goes towards benefits, whether paid by an overpriviledged tosser whose had it easy or someone working at minimum wage. Why do the less well paid pay a larger % of their earnings than the wealthy? Can you justify that, how that is in anyway fair? And it may be a fact (for now) but it doesn't mean I have to like it. Notice you can't justify this, you merely expect me to shut up and accept it like a good little prole
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM no i'm not a "think wanker" you vulgar, irrelevant little turd. You would appear to be the silly, nitwit here, as i was clearly insinuating that you were unemployed and on benefits. And in no part of my little speech did i say that you, the poor, payed a higher % of their earnings, in fact at the moment the country is expecting the wealthy to pay higher taxes, or can you not afford papers, let alone read them. Oh, and would expect you to shut up, like all the other sewer urchins.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM Well it would appear that you ARE a thick wanker, assuming I am on benefits, the clue is in the designation WORKING class. Plus if you loo it was me who said the poor pay a higher rate of tax, you can't even read the posts properly before you reply, you thick wanker. Yes the country expects the rich to pay higher taxes, because right now they pay % wise less taxes, the whole gist of my previous posts, thick wanker. Sewer urchins, ah yes that would be your richkid ignorance coming through
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM how do the poor pay a higher rate of tax? it merely seems higher as you have less money and means more to you than me. And, a thick wanker is a fairly hypocritical statement seeing as i have 11 gcse's and 5 a levels, more than your entire family. And your comment about us having our safe cages rattled is no more of an overreaction than you defending, for some reason, your lack of social or economic standing.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM statisically the poor pay a higher precentage of their earnings than the wealthy, do some research, look it up. 11GCSE's and 5 A' levels do not appear to have aided your understanding of the way the world works one little bit do they? I am not defending my lack of social standing, merely attacking that of the over priviledged, i.e. you. Would have thought that was quite obvious for someone with 11GCSE's and 5 A' levels......
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM You are defending your lack of social standing, the same as i'm defending my high social status, your attack of the privileged, which i still cant see why you're using as an insult, is your defence. The reason that i may not know what percentage of tax people pay, is that it doesnt make a difference to me who pays what, as, no matter if they raise the amount of tax the rich pay, it doesnt bother my parents or my own wallet.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM I do not defend my lack of social standing, I point out the inherent injustice in the gulf between the haves and the have nots and the effect this has. I attack the priviledged because their priviledge = others lack of priviledge which results in poor housing, health, conditions, two tiered health care and education, lack of opportunity and reduced life span,
KNTFM 4 months ago
@Mr FGBM if you can't see why that would anger someone you are very naive, despite your ll gcse's and 5 A' levels, your priviledge has shielded you from the reality of life for those not as lucky as yourself, and your glib comments, insults and defence of your own unfair priviledge is merely worsening the situation, one day you will understand
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM how is my privilege unfair?
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@KNTFM so you're blaming almost every problem that a society may have on the wealthy?
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@Muffles24 As ignorant as the rich kid below who refers ot me as a sewer rat because I am working class? You rich kids hate having your nice safe little cages rattles don't you?
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM your insult really isn't very good, "ignorant rich kid" boo hoo im so insulted that i'm better off than you, and that i pay £10,000 a term to go to school and my shoes cost more than your house, not that that is a lot. Its not that i'm ignorant, its that i don't care.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM Sorry, wasn't expecting to have my insults graded. "Its not that I'm ignorant its that I don't care" Ah I see you're not ignorant you're merely selfish and could not care less about those living in overty, I'm alright mate and all that. Think about that and maybe you'll understand why we hate you so much
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM theyre not being graded, i simply said it wasnt a very sucessful comment, and im not selfish, i give plenty to charity, even though i'm only 18. How do you know i dont care about people living in poverty?
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM you're crass comments about benefit claimants and sewer rats was the first clue
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM poverty is not having a home, youtube acount, food and any material possession whatsoever, thats not the position you're in, and at no point in the argument did i say that i say i didnt care for that type of person.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM Where i have i said I live in absolute poverty? You have made many jokes about you being wealthier than I am, the more wealthey you are, the easier your life is and vice versa, you made a suggestion i live on benfits and referred to me as a sewer rat therefore, have you any idea of the deprivation linked to a life on benefits, I somehow doubt it. Your educational achievements have failed to negate your naivety about the world we live in.
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM i said i didnt care about you, you then said that i wasnt ignorant but selfish because i didnt care about those living in poverty, therefore you called yourself someone living in poverty.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@KNTFM and no i have no idea as to the life of someone living on benefits, so i cant really comment on it, however you have no idea about the life that we lead, so its profoundly hypocritical to comment on this video of public school boys.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM And maybe thats why people hate you so very much. You are over priviledgedand selfish with it, your attitude shows you for what you really arewhen there are people homeless and starving, thats why people are making negative comments about Eton scum, not only your unfair advantages in life but the attitude that goes with it, selfish scum rich kid.
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM are you homeless and starving??? do the home less and starving have internet and youtube accounts??
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM Poverty does not = homelessness, it is relevant there are degrees of poverty, and as your shoes cost so much more than my house (if I were wealthy enough to own one) in comparison to you I am relatviely poor, those remarks also shows your true attitude to the poor and those in poverty, so quit it with the "I give to charity" backtracking bullshit, you made your thoughts and feeling blatantly clear with your class prejudiced remarks
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM i do give to charity, but to charities that seems more important, like cancer research and ataxia. i have a different attitude to those in absolute poverty than i do to those who have claim benefits, are unemployed and waste their benefits on trash and then try and play the "poverty" card.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM You are so full of shit its unbeleivable, you think everyone on the dole is lazy? You steroetyping bigotted bastard! We are in the middle of a recession, the biggest in years (caused as ever by the greed of the rich) thousands are being made redundant with no jobs to go to. You really are rich scum, you have no idea of reality do you, what life i really like for people without the privilige you have been born to, you utter bastard. You make me sick to the core, you cruel selfish richscum
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM No i didnt say that everyone on the dole was lazy, quote where i said that. You just don't seem to understand that far back in my families history, and those of other wealthy people, someone worked hard, so that we could be wealthy. We didnt simply come into existence wealthy, we started with an equal playing field to other people, however we capitalised on that unlike others. Although this is a brutally simply description of events, i have the feeling it wont sink into your head.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM Yes you did your exact words are "i have a different attitude to those in absolute poverty than i do to those who have claim benefits, are unemployed and waste their benefits on trash and then try and play the "poverty" card." So that is exactly what you said
"far back in my families history, and those of other wealthy people, someone worked hard, so that we could be wealthy." Which relies upon the exploitation of others and greed,
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM and what your ancestors did/did not do doesn't alter that you today have access to resources that others do not, and because of this access you have a longer life/better quality of life, supported by a systyem that keeps the rich rich/the poor poor. that is why we are paying for the bankers' fuck ups with our services, pensions, jobs etc. while they keep their bonuses, and who got their job in the first place under a system that discriminates between state educated and privatly educated
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM "and what your ancestors did/did not do doesn't alter that you today have access to resources that others do not"......Oh my god, haha, what do you think the term "new money" is? i'm old money, as it has come through my family, exactly what you said doesnt happen, happens in most upperclass wealthy families.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@KNTFM ok, ok, so you're trying to tell me that David Beckham's, Bill Gates' and all those other wealthy peoples families, who weren't privileged when they were young, will have equal opportunities in comparison to someone from a rundown area of London. Or, thanks to the hard work of their family, will they now be educated well, have good jobs? In fact they're almost at more of an advantage to someone of equal wealth because of their family name
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM Bill Gates' family were hardly poor to start with, andthey are only the tip of the iceburg of wealthy people,the lucky few from poor, or relatively poorer who have become wealthy, and one through playing football and courting the media which when compared to nurses etc is hardly deserved like I said the very tip of the iceburg,statistically there are very very few people from poor backgrounds who have done so well as the system is tipped against us, please try to find a better argument
KNTFM 4 months ago
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MrFGBM 4 months ago
@KNTFM Ok so maybe, not people like Bill Gates. But i think you'll find that most sportsmen come from poorer backgrounds, deserved or not they are still some of the most wealthy people on the planet. It may be a minority yet it still shows, it can be done. You still haven't answered my question about Alan Sugar
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@KNTFM Also even if it is a minority, will the Beckhams children, or will they not, have better educations and lifestyles thanks to the hard work of their families? Thats my point, as well as the fact they came from humble backgrounds, that their families will benefit from hard work, just like my family has from my ancestors hard work
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM Still only a very tiny minority plucked from the poor/working class due to sills that are, sadly, valued more than they should be. The majority of the wealthy are where they are because of priviledge and a system that keeps the rich rich and the poor poor despite the few token sportsmen - as if that is any proof of anything
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM Well it at least we agree on the over valued skills part. But my point is that their families will now benefit, like our families have, because of their effort.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM effort or just plain luck? Why are skills suchas ball control deemed to be worthy of reward more so than say nursing skills, or child care, I owluld rather someone who looks after homeless kids be rewarded more than a footballer
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM Well we agree, but i'm more inclined to pay soldiers more.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@KNTFM I dont see how you cant see the fact that someone has simply worked hard in the past, even if it did involve "exploitation" your family had the chance at one point yet didnt capitalise on it, and now, thanks to that hard work, my current generation has it easy. And dont play the "my family has morals" because this conversation could have easily been the other way around, i could have been the poor one and you could have been wealthy, then you wouldnt be complaining
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM " I dont see how you cant see the fact that someone has simply worked hard in the past, even if it did involve "exploitation"" and theres the nub of it. Many people of weatlhy backgrounds are so because their families used the worse kinds of exploitation, slave trade/cruel factory conditions/dangerous mining/slate works etc.
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM Even today'sbig companies use Asian sweatshops. And you think this exploitation is acceptable because it has made your family rich? You seriously need to reassess your world view point because it is people with your attitude that has fucked things for everyone else, the "I'm alright mate fuck you" tendancy has screwed us from the start,and the fact that greed is enshrined in the system makes thiseven more galling
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM No this isn't acceptable, but that has nothing to do with my families wealth, as it has come through generations and generations, so i dont actually know how my family became wealthy.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM So you don't know whether they became wealthy through exploiting workers/slaves etc or not? Maybe your great-great-great-great-great grandad was good at football....
And anyway,, this is not about your family and them alone, this is about a whole class of over privileged people and the fact that their privilege is protected while others are condemned through lack of opportunity to relative poverty/two tier education/health systems
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM Well maybe that is how i became wealthy, but i'm not sure that was around in william the conquerers time, as this is where i have traced family money back to. Even if this isnt just my family, plenty of the wealthy people have a similar story. Remember that when i talk about wealthy people, i mean families that you can trace back, not the new money people who have the family history of a squashed hedgehog.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@KNTFM Ha, thats not my fault, there's nothing i could have done to stop my family becoming wealthy. Basically, its one of those things, you hate it until you have it. This conversation, as i said earlier, could easily have been the other way around, you could be insulting me about having no money, and then you'd be fine with the idea of wealth.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM But then I would BE one of the selfish over privileged shitbags that get all defensive when someone uses the phrase "rich scum"
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM Congratulations you understood my point. If it was the other way around, you would be defending your wealth and you would have the same opinions as i do, just as i would be the angry communist who gets all worked up because he had no money and was jealous, even though he insulted the opposing party first.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM Not jealousy, an anger at injustice, when people starve and are homeless while others live in the lap of luxury with far more than they need then yes I am angry, like I said, try seeing life from the other side of the fence, then perhaps you have and it is your guiltthat makes you so defensive
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM also these slave trade/cruel factory conditions/dangerous mining/slate works etc are all basically late 17th and 18th century factors, from the industrial revolution, apart from maybe the slave trade. My family's wealth goes way beyond that and so will most of these Eton boys, as we aren't new money.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM It was gnerally "old money" like yours that owned the companies that used factories/sold slaves = they had the capital to stump up the outlay for it all, no-one in pov erty could afford to build a factory out of fuck now could they, take it one of your gcse's wasn't history...
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM No it wasn't actually, i'm only interested in military history, which we didnt do at gcse level, not the industrial revolution. Well obviously they couldn't have built a factory out of fuck, as fuck isn't a thing, duh.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM ah right tha would explain yourignorance then, By th way your fuck isn't a thing comment isvery immature and shows exactly how little you canargue with the facts I produce
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM Well yes it probably would show my ignorance in Victorian society and the industrial revolution, but thats like me choosing a subject that i know lots about, and you don't, and then getting all hyper when you didnt know the answer. Although you'd probably go and look it up on wikipedia like a real fag, rather than just accepting that you dont know the answer.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@KNTFM i'm trying to be immature, i wouldn't say that if i was taking this whole thing seriously, like you obviously are
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@KNTFM i gave the two extremes of the situation, you fucking muppet, the ones i hate and the ones i feel for.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM Problem is you hate the ones you hate based on an unfair and prejudiced stereotype that does not take in access to employment, recession etc. You are a bigot
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM Again i'm not sure you understand, the two ends of the scale 1. those in absolute poverty. 2. those who claim benefits yet deliberately do nothing about their situation. The people who claim benefits yet at least try to find work, or try to get themselves out of their situation, do not fall into this category. So those in that category deserve this stereotype.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@KNTFM also i hope you die of your metaphorical illness
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM Go and count your Daddy's money
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM mate, private banks do that for us, i'd ask you to count your pennies, but i'm not sure you have any
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM "Not sure you have any" More class prejudiced insults showing your real attitude to the poor, you really are scum aren't you
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM well scum employs filth, dirt, degredation, so actually its you. Also there's no point using my wealth as an arguement against me and then getting even angrier when i use your lack of wealth against you
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM My lack of wealth does not give me special privilegesenshrined within the current system that I wield over other people unlike your oppulence, try to remember that,
"Scum employs filth dirt etc. What a crap comment, makes no sense whatsoever, you really need to try to see what life is like outside of your cusioned existence and then maybe, just maybe, you will understand, but I doubt it, you are a typical spoilt little rich kid, "I'm all right mate fuck everyone else"
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM Well obviously you didnt do an English gcse, did you even do any? "scum employs filth, dirt, degredation, so actually its you" makes perfect sense, you dont thinnk it does as you dont understand what degredation means. You called me rich scum, when actually you're the scum. I'll simplify this for your minute little mind, scum= dirt, filth, degredation=hypocritical as that is what you are.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM I don't understand it dut to your misaprehension that I am dirt, filth, etc. Just because I understandably despise wealth nd privilege does not make me filth, if anything you are the filth for trying to justify your excess of respurces in the face of the problems those in poverty face
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM I don't know if you've realised but i'm a teenager, i'm not hoarding any resources, i'm not able to control my families wealth or their businesses, i cant change the society we live in, so quit it with the "hoarding resources" thats simply what the whole worlds doing, and how we live. Well now that you know that i've told you you are, it does make sense, and it will make sense to all those other people reading this, saying that you are a whiny little child, with a rather large chip
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@KNTFM on his shoulder, who is very angry because he hasnt got a lolly pop to suck like the boys down the road in the nice houses.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@KNTFM also being a spoilt little rich kid, doesnt bother me, because in the world i live in, that's how we all are, its the normal. And now after my comment you can say your communist remarks about how we are all too wealthy, and we should give all our money away, and we can all live with fairy dust and happily ever after. But you obviously dont realise that, even if we were all equal, someone will always exploit another, thats just how we humans are. The sooner you realise this, the better
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM "also being a spoilt little rich kid, doesnt bother me," that is obvious, problem is the small over privilieged world you live in isnt the real world where people suffer privation to allow you your life of luxury. Have you ever read "The Spirt Level"? - produces hard facts as to the effects of severe economic disparity on the population, crime levels, privation etc. You should read that, and other such works, instead of repeating your "I'm alright mate fuck you comments over &over again
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM I dont read those communist books, i'm far more cultured. Is that a bad thing, that my "over privileged" lifestyle has let me encounter other cultures, or is that nasty? And not once have i said i'm alright mate fuck you, its only your enterpretation of what i say, and even if it was what i was saying, it would only be directed at you and not the poor in general.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM You mean you restrict your reading to a narrow range of material that won't challenge you preconceptions, that is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard, and it is not "Communist" at all, your arguments rest solely on your defence of your families right to extreme wealth in the face of the poverty and need that hoarding such resources naturally brings hence the " i'm alright mate fuck you" is certainly applicable
KNTFM 4 months ago
@ FGBM "I dont read those communist books, i'm far more cultured" - are you being ironic or are you genuinley that ignorant/full of shit?
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM I'm actually being neither of your two, naturally, degrading choices.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@KNTFM It just doesn't interest me. If you were to ask me something on war or t.s eliot, i'd be much more inclined to have a decent conversation about the relevant literature. Why would i read a book on something that attacks everything about my life, that would simply be boring, it would be like you reading a book about the amazing life the wealthy lead and how the poor deserve to be poor, would you read that?
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@KNTFM "it is not "Communist" at all" as you put it "thats the most ignorant thing i have ever heard", your arguements are almost the basis for communism, you want socio-economic equality, you hate anyone who is above your social or economic status and you want "fairness", you seemed vaguely intelligent, yet you still seem to believe the world is a fair place, the dog shouldn't eat the animal it has killed because its unfair that the cat doesnt get any, even though it didnt kill anything.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM Socio-economic equality would reduce many of the problems facing civilization, I do not hate everybody above me, I hate the system that enshrines priviledge despite the suffering it causes and people like you who refuse to see the problems or deliberatly ignore them out of guilt, I do not feel the world is a fair place, hence my political philosphy you utter fool, if I thought it was fair I would not be opposed to priviledge, do I need to explain that in monosylabic words Mr. Eton?
KNTFM 4 months ago
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@MrFGBM "you still seem to believe the world is a fair place, the dog shouldn't eat the animal it has killed because its unfair that the cat doesnt get any, even though it didnt kill anything"
I genuinly laughed at this comment, succinct analogies not your strong point...old chap
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM also, go and answer my other points on the page, or i'll assume "how little you can argue with the facts i produce"
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM I will when you ddo, I have raised copius points which you have ever ignored, or answered with your usual"I'm alright mate fuck you" comments, you dismissed the book I suggested as "Communist" - completeley innacurate, you are all in all a sad little man who has benefittedvery little from the expensive education your daddy has forked out shitloads for
KNTFM 4 months ago
@KNTFM Well actually i'm i very bored teenager. Also i'm not the one bleeding my heart out for the poor and argueing with a child on facebook, so it would actually appear that you're the very very sad little turd.
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@KNTFM your book is communist as well, as it seems, from what you've descibed it as, it has all the fundamentals of communism which i have stated in my previous post somewhere. Anyway if i dont respond for a while thats because i've gone back to school so if you respond to these posts, it will take me a while to respond. Well this is goodbye, you're about to become the butt of all of my schoolboy jokes, congratulations, "look at this little poor man whos terribly jealous of us" happy halloween x
MrFGBM 4 months ago
@MrFGBM Commujnism, you thick fuck, is a political theory with concrete tennets that identify it s such, the book entitled "The Spirit Level" puts forward an opinion, backed up with data, suggesting that huge economic disparity causes social problems, it does not put forward a complete change to stateand govt according to the theories of Marx and Engal's Communist manifesto, but suggests that we should reduce disparity for a more socially cohesive/peaceful society. Your ignorance is astounding
KNTFM 3 months ago
@MrFGBM "Anyway if i dont respond for a while thats because i've gone back to school " No because you are aware that your arguments, such as they are, are paper thin and failing
" it has all the fundamentals of communism which i have stated in my previous post somewhere" You have not described these "fundamentals" and I doubt you truly understand what Communism is, nor have you read the book I mentioned so how would you know what it it says?
KNTFM 3 months ago
@MrFGBM "you're about to become the butt of all of my schoolboy jokes, congratulations, "look at this little poor man whos terribly jealous of us"
Your schoolboy jokesare neithe here nor there, but I suspect your matesmay bve laughing at you for being made to look ignorant and stupid on facebook by a frightful oik, as indeed you have.
KNTFM 3 months ago
@KNTFM As I have stated earlier, if you had bothered to read, I'm not jealous, the thought of being like you disgusts me, you'll realise why when you mature, I am angry at a society/system that allows a small% of the population to live in extreme oppulence while others starve/are homeless, enjoy your studies, I hope you pay better attention to your classes than you have up until now, wouldn't want you wasting Daddy's money, do come back later so I can tear your arguments apart once more
KNTFM 3 months ago
@KNTFM if you feel that strongly about it, go and join the anti capitalist protesters... Everyone is born entitled to a free education which is more than enough to give everyone the opportunity to make something of themselves. There are plenty of routes out of homelessness and poverty, even in the current economic situation. Don't be bitter because you can't send your kids to a good school, and your parents couldn't send you to one
sedwarg 3 months ago
@sedwarg I have protested against capitalism, as time and money allows. I agree everyone is entitled to a free education and there are plenty of routesto improve yourself however the poorer you are the less opportunities are available, which is unfair and immoral. However when it comes to homelessness and abject poverty I'm afraid there are very very few - have you tried to get a job or apply for a degree course with no fixed abode (let alone minus fees/cash to live on?)
KNTFM 3 months ago
@sedwarg I am not bitter, this is the standard rich kid excuse ("you're jealous.") No, I'm angry at an immoral situation that has been made worse by the current tory Govt. Google the names "Helen and Mark Mullins" and tell me how their story makes you feel, 2 people who decided to top themselves as they could no longer afford to live, and tell me thats fair, tell me that happens in a fair and decent,m equitable society, and I will tell you to go fuck yourself
KNTFM 3 months ago
@KNTFM I heard that story and to be honest i thought suicide was completely unnecessary. They were still a lot better off than some people. They had a house! They could have claimed benefits! And you are bitter. I can tell that from the fact you're blaming all your problems on everyone except yourself. Go join the communist party and enjoy being shunned by society, I'll enjoy being accepted as a member of the Tories. Capitalism has a long history of working, communism does not.
sedwarg 3 months ago
@sedwarg Perhaps if they had a towering intellect like yourself to remind them that benefits were an option. I'm sure they killed themselves without bothering to research their predicament as thoroughly as you would. Suicide is so easy, isn't it?
But then again, so you seem so disconnected from reality that you think that actually having a place to live makes you better off than some people. You'll be walking past homeless people thinking "Hes doing ok, I mean hes got clothes and everything".
ThisIsWater7 3 months ago
@ThisIsWater7 No, I'm saying poverty wasn't the cause of their death. The cause of their death was the fact they didn't try to get help. You don't just commit suicide because you're poor. A lot of people are poor and 'happy'. They probably had depression.
Obviously it makes them better off, or hadn't you realised that houses were worth money? Again, if you feel so strongly about this, stop being a keyboard warrior and take some action. It's just like moaning about the govt. and then not voting..
sedwarg 3 months ago
@sedwarg " or hadn't you realised that houses were worth money?" This sums your outlook upo beautifully, you think everyone owns their own house don't you? Ignorant idiot. Take a good look at the world around you without the blinkers of your huge bank accoiunt and then tell me you think the present sytem is fair. These people simply could not afford to live. DO you think it is fair that the bankers greed caused the economic problems we have right now bu that poor people are paying for it?
KNTFM 3 months ago
@KNTFM Brilliant, you're now boring me so I'll just get on with some A level work so I don't end up like you in the future.
sedwarg 3 months ago
@sedwarg I take it you mean you cannot logically argue your point asbasically I am right and you are merely defending your sickening privilege and greed and you have not, and cannot be bothered to research and read up on the facts I have presented.
KNTFM 2 months ago
@sedwarg You know thew house they had yeah, it was RENTED from the council and they could not afford the rent! They were claiming benefitrs and the Tory's stopped them with their new "tighter regulations" leaving thewmn with no money. You may have "heard" about the story but you have not "read about it in depth" I suggest you now go and do so.
KNTFM 3 months ago
@sedward I am certainly not blaming my problems on anybody, compared ot most I have few problems. Its just that I have had a good look at the world around me and decided it is very unfair andd needs to change. Why does every spoilt rigght wing little brat immediatly think you are a tory the moment their Daddy's money advantages lifestyle is threatenend? Accepted as a member of the Tory party? Yeah only by other greedy selfish tories such as yourself
KNTFM 3 months ago
@sedwarg And don't worry, you will not end up like me (a proud member of the working class) - your daddy's money will cushion little Fauntleroy through life and you'll never have to worry about where the next meal is coming from, or keeping a roof over your head, and we wouldn't want s notty nosed stuck no-nothing like you, we have standards
KNTFM 2 months ago
@KNTFM Of course I had a lot of points that I would have liked to argue; I'm just not sad enough to list them across 3 comments like you. I'd rather write something productive, like a politics essay, rather than trying fruitlessly to change a strangers views on something that they are clearly dead set on.
sedwarg 2 months ago
@sedwarg Absolute crap, if you had something relevant to say you would say it, the media used is irrelevant instead of resorting to cheap excuses and even cheaper insults to cover your lack of argument, fact is under the present system the privileged few gain a comfortable life while the rest of us fight over the scraps, and at the bottom of the pile you have people in absolute poverty, homless, starving, no healthcare, nothing, and nothing you can say can support that as moral and proper
KNTFM 2 months ago
@KNTFM I haven't used an insult once. I just see this as a blatant waste of time. It's obvious that neither of us is going to change the other's views. Not that I care it's not like I'll ever meet you - although if I do, I promise you a proper debate ;)
sedwarg 2 months ago
@sedwarg "I haven't used an insult once" i don't care
"It's obvious that neither of us is going to change the other's views." No not while there is injustice and you have a life of privilege as a result
"although if I do, I promise you a proper debate" Just try a bit harder than you have here, don't resort to tired upper-middle class defensive stances (you are a communist etc) and understand houroughly everything I say (i.e. who the Mullins' were/the circumstances around their deaths
KNTFM 2 months ago
@KNTFM "don't resort to tired upper-middle class defensive stances" - you can't say that, and then resort to stereotypes yourself, accusing anyone who disagrees with you of being "a tory brat who lives in a bubble world cusioned by daddy's money." More importantly, there has always been inequality/differences in wealth/privilege, throughout our existence. Blathering on about it and being bitter and abusive won't change that
storminhl 2 months ago
@storminhl "More importantly, there has always been inequality/differences in wealth/privilege, throughout our existence. Blathering on about it and being bitter and abusive won't change that"
Really? They said the same thing about ending slavery, women's sufferage, the Labour movement and many other social advances made by people speaking out against injustice
KNTFM 2 months ago
@KNTFM There always will be inequality and everything else that irritates you so much. If it means so much to you, give money to charities that help less fortunate people, or go and do some volunteer work in your community. If you're going to be so idealistic and aggressive, keep your thoughts to yourself
storminhl 2 months ago
@storminhl I already donate money and time to causes. Thing is this won't change the situation merely temporarily alleviate the suffering of a few individuals, what is needed is complete societal reform. This will only happen by idealistic and aggressive people speaking out. If such people kept quiet we would still be living in a feudal medieval society. Slowly but surely equality is dawning, even if it has taken decades. Keep my thoughts to myself? Fuck off, this is 1 oik that won't be silenced