great machine. as far as danger... like the warning says on my 6 ft step ladder, do not stand or sit on the top step, you may fall or loose your balance. Hell, I can do that standing on the ground. nuf said.
(add to my below comment) So all you "New Machine Advocates" should just shut your lips and do some research into what really is safer, rather than just spout off at the mouth! Do you see any plastic or other marginally built parts on that machine? NOPE! Is it built like a tank and made to last for centuries? Obviously!
Safety isn't always about guards and safety systems. Sometimes it's just designing a machine properly so you don't need to really get into harms way to operate it.
Why do people feel the need to stick their noses into other people's business? This machine is likely no more dangerous than most new equipment.
As for a belt snapping, DO YOU SEE THE SIZE OF THAT BELT!!! Snap? HA! Not hardly! It's going to be a long, long time before anyone needs to worry about that!
Anyway, if it does, it will likely just swing over and flop on the floor. No huge risk like some make it out to be.
And for the record, the only machine I have ever been injured by is an new Ryobi table saw, in which the motor housing snapped, causing the blade to jam against the wood and fire an 18" long, 5"+ wide piece of 8/4 red oak into my arm, my stomach, and finally my back wall. Injuries? OH YEAH! Laid a big ol' flap of my arm over, left a black and blood red bruise on my gut and slightly tore an muscle in my abdomen.
WHY? BECAUSE THE MOTOR HOUSING IS PLASTIC! THAT'S WHY! Cheap, Chinese sh-t!
I love the video. Watching old machines running with flat belts is fantastic! You need to use care as with any machine. As for belts flying off and slapping your face off...I don't see that happening here. Your belts look like they are taken care of, no flaps or lacings comming apart. You arn't wearing anything loose so nothing should get cought.
If the belt you are leaning over snapped it could take your face with it! In the past many wood working machinists had terrible accidents. Fingers hands arms lost and people who have been speared by, Two inch by four inch, or four by two as we say in "UK". Sixty years ago Wadkin Woodworking Machinery of Leicester England had more modern machines than this. I have worked on USA imports of 100years old more better designed than this machine for safety
@klavelle72a Well that's OK, and you do as you wish. However it would be the boy who see's you minus an arm or part of your face, Thats what worries me.
This brings back memories, when I was a kid I used to help dad at the his sawmill. I used to 'tail' the planer or the resaw, all old machines. Fortunately the planer had a hood and blower attached so I didn't get a face full of shavings.
@Mrpsychotehpyro Thanks for the support. I've the next year and a half, I'll be adding a number of videos. I have something like 30 tons of machinery from this era.
@Walnut7Man555 Machines of this era weren't designed for dust collection. The square head creates such a fanning effect that it blows chips clear of the machine. Dust collection is possible if you add enough sheet metal, but it would also get in the way of knife changes, and I like being able to see the machine instead of a fabricated sheet metal assembly.
Nice to see things like this actually working. All the machinery in museums and visitor centres just stands there idle, doing nothing. Thanks for posting,
I love old machines. There's an abandoned logging train near my house, and you can see all the beautiful components used to capture the energy of the expanding steam. Something about big heavy flywheels and reduction gears being right out in the open just makes you admire the craftsmen that made these works of art. These machines were made with more than just cold hard efficiency in mind. Nice planer!
@OscarCommie The blades on this machine are 24" long, 5/16" thick, and about 3" wide. They are slotted to fit the bolts that hold them in. They used to be very common, but now have to be custom made.
That is a beautiful machine, but I think I would have to make some sort of guard to make sure I wouldn't hit that belt. It looks like there is no way to use that machine without reaching over a live belt. When I was a kid, it was common to see old men missing fingers, and they usually lost them in a belt or a gear before guards were common practice.
That is a beautiful machine, but I think I would have to make some sort of guard to make sure I wouldn't hit that belt. It looks like there is no way to use that machine without reaching over a live belt. When I was a kid, it was common to see old men missing fingers, and they usually lost them in a belt or a gear before guards were common practice.
WOW... it must be great to know you great to use that anytime you want. I am jealous. My small basement shop is old arn from around 1930's to 1950's. Wish I had the room for the really old stuff from the late 1900's
Great machine! Only thing I would add is a guard so you could lean on that area where the side belt is, rather than reach over trying not to touch the belt.
The problem is that most of these old machines wouldn't end up in museums, they would end up in scrap yards. Why waste what has already been manufactured?
The dangers aren't there if you are careful.
Careful in judgment, careful in work.
Many have found that refurbishing an old machine can save them DOLLARS, gets them a fine machine,
Thank you. Parts for machines this old are unavailable. They have to be custom made. Fortunately this planer came with all the parts except for the extra molding head assembly on the outfeed end. I did have to re-machine a shaft and re pour 10 bearings though. All the feed roll bearings were bad, and so were the cutterhead bearings.
I'll concede 2 points on your comment. We should have been wearing side shields on our safety rated prescription glasses, and though the machine is really no louder than most lawn mowers, ear plugs wouldn't hurt. The planer does not produce fine dust like a saw or sander, it produces large fluffy chips, so the inhalation danger just isn't present. The machine is dangerous to the operator, but I know and accept the risks associated with running it because I enjoy it.
I don't criticize others for skydiving, mountain climbing, driving cars, or other dangerous pursuits. As for the money, a modern industrial planer matcher costs six figures. If I saved $100 a month for it, it would take a bit over 83 years to buy one. I enjoy restoring and operating antique industrial machines, and will continue to do so while accepting the associated risks. thank you.
@emlerron, Don't put your limbs were they get ripped off, This machine has no guards on it because people are spose to be smart enough not to stick there fingers in it. dust, fuck it, better than inhaling cigaret smoke.
The nanny goverment here in California would put you in jail for that. Noise polution, air polution, safety equipment, child labor. Thank God there are still some places in the country where you can do an honest days work.
I have an old 1875 Rowley-Hermance framing machine in storage, that I would like to someday hook up to a line shaft, or a stationary engine. The saw blade and arbor move along a carriage track, instead of the material or table moving.
great machine. as far as danger... like the warning says on my 6 ft step ladder, do not stand or sit on the top step, you may fall or loose your balance. Hell, I can do that standing on the ground. nuf said.
fishnriver 4 months ago
BTW......everyone forgets to mention something :
Modern machines look like SHIT....yeah....you know..dung, crap,
bullshit, you get the idea.....
Cast iron is such a wonderful material.
It makes pretty, general wear and corrosion resistant, vibration dampening parts.
Sounds like everything you need for a machine tool.
Ladys and gentlemen....take your horror freight sheet metal machines and leave.....
i dont want that stuff in my/our shop and klavelle doesnt want it in his.
Get over it.....
Mrpsychotehpyro 5 months ago
(add to my below comment) So all you "New Machine Advocates" should just shut your lips and do some research into what really is safer, rather than just spout off at the mouth! Do you see any plastic or other marginally built parts on that machine? NOPE! Is it built like a tank and made to last for centuries? Obviously!
Safety isn't always about guards and safety systems. Sometimes it's just designing a machine properly so you don't need to really get into harms way to operate it.
kenny474 6 months ago
Why do people feel the need to stick their noses into other people's business? This machine is likely no more dangerous than most new equipment.
As for a belt snapping, DO YOU SEE THE SIZE OF THAT BELT!!! Snap? HA! Not hardly! It's going to be a long, long time before anyone needs to worry about that!
Anyway, if it does, it will likely just swing over and flop on the floor. No huge risk like some make it out to be.
kenny474 6 months ago
And for the record, the only machine I have ever been injured by is an new Ryobi table saw, in which the motor housing snapped, causing the blade to jam against the wood and fire an 18" long, 5"+ wide piece of 8/4 red oak into my arm, my stomach, and finally my back wall. Injuries? OH YEAH! Laid a big ol' flap of my arm over, left a black and blood red bruise on my gut and slightly tore an muscle in my abdomen.
WHY? BECAUSE THE MOTOR HOUSING IS PLASTIC! THAT'S WHY! Cheap, Chinese sh-t!
kenny474 6 months ago
like this but there is no safe to be you wont fall asleep working around this mach
thanks for sharing
730M 6 months ago
The OSHA-NAZIs just have to have their say...
BuickDoc 9 months ago
I love the video. Watching old machines running with flat belts is fantastic! You need to use care as with any machine. As for belts flying off and slapping your face off...I don't see that happening here. Your belts look like they are taken care of, no flaps or lacings comming apart. You arn't wearing anything loose so nothing should get cought.
Great job on the planer/matcher very cool!
oldmachineguy 9 months ago
@oldmachineguy Thank you. I don't bother shaving anymore since the belt is going to slap my face off anyway. :-)
klavelle72a 9 months ago
If the belt you are leaning over snapped it could take your face with it! In the past many wood working machinists had terrible accidents. Fingers hands arms lost and people who have been speared by, Two inch by four inch, or four by two as we say in "UK". Sixty years ago Wadkin Woodworking Machinery of Leicester England had more modern machines than this. I have worked on USA imports of 100years old more better designed than this machine for safety
zonkozonko 10 months ago
@zonkozonko Please see my above response to the last post similar to yours. I know the risks of running this machine and accept them.
klavelle72a 10 months ago
@klavelle72a Well that's OK, and you do as you wish. However it would be the boy who see's you minus an arm or part of your face, Thats what worries me.
zonkozonko 10 months ago
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klavelle72a 10 months ago
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zonkozonko 10 months ago
Ale męskość może urwać.
andrzej417 1 year ago
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rivjoy 1 year ago
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rivjoy 1 year ago
This brings back memories, when I was a kid I used to help dad at the his sawmill. I used to 'tail' the planer or the resaw, all old machines. Fortunately the planer had a hood and blower attached so I didn't get a face full of shavings.
rivjoy 1 year ago
Hey, i just wanted to give you some support with all these naysayers and whiney folks out there.
Restore and run your old machines, im working around with lots of them myself and like them much more than the chinese stuff.
Just make shure you never get too comfortable , be shure to be aware of your work!
Next year were gonna restore a fine old "mechnics lathe" as we call em in Germany, antiquated type without carriage.
A very nice machine that will make turning smaller metal parts much easier!
Mrpsychotehpyro 1 year ago
@Mrpsychotehpyro Thanks for the support. I've the next year and a half, I'll be adding a number of videos. I have something like 30 tons of machinery from this era.
klavelle72a 1 year ago
Cool but no dust collection ?
Walnut7Man555 1 year ago
@Walnut7Man555 Machines of this era weren't designed for dust collection. The square head creates such a fanning effect that it blows chips clear of the machine. Dust collection is possible if you add enough sheet metal, but it would also get in the way of knife changes, and I like being able to see the machine instead of a fabricated sheet metal assembly.
klavelle72a 1 year ago
Nice to see things like this actually working. All the machinery in museums and visitor centres just stands there idle, doing nothing. Thanks for posting,
coriander2 1 year ago
I love old machines. There's an abandoned logging train near my house, and you can see all the beautiful components used to capture the energy of the expanding steam. Something about big heavy flywheels and reduction gears being right out in the open just makes you admire the craftsmen that made these works of art. These machines were made with more than just cold hard efficiency in mind. Nice planer!
kendigjl 1 year ago
Brilliant stuff! Tell me, were would you even find the blades for an old rig like this?
OscarCommie 1 year ago
@OscarCommie The blades on this machine are 24" long, 5/16" thick, and about 3" wide. They are slotted to fit the bolts that hold them in. They used to be very common, but now have to be custom made.
klavelle72a 1 year ago
Side shields on your safety glass are the least of your concerns with a machine like this!
stevec6977 1 year ago
@stevec6977 I'm fully aware of all of the dangers associated with operating this machine.
klavelle72a 1 year ago
Nice, E.L. Are those, by any chance, some of the belts you've made? Dang, I wish we lived closer.
wonlungtong 1 year ago
Yes, those are the belts I made from hides.
klavelle72a 1 year ago
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That is a beautiful machine, but I think I would have to make some sort of guard to make sure I wouldn't hit that belt. It looks like there is no way to use that machine without reaching over a live belt. When I was a kid, it was common to see old men missing fingers, and they usually lost them in a belt or a gear before guards were common practice.
userunavailable3095 1 year ago
That is a beautiful machine, but I think I would have to make some sort of guard to make sure I wouldn't hit that belt. It looks like there is no way to use that machine without reaching over a live belt. When I was a kid, it was common to see old men missing fingers, and they usually lost them in a belt or a gear before guards were common practice.
userunavailable3095 1 year ago
WOW... it must be great to know you great to use that anytime you want. I am jealous. My small basement shop is old arn from around 1930's to 1950's. Wish I had the room for the really old stuff from the late 1900's
tatboyhotmail 2 years ago
Great machine! Only thing I would add is a guard so you could lean on that area where the side belt is, rather than reach over trying not to touch the belt.
woodsprout 2 years ago
To: emlerron I commend you for statement.
To: chiefchip123 you SIR are a retarded FUCK, that machin belongs in a museum..:(
farrellhunter 2 years ago
farrellhunter,
The problem is that most of these old machines wouldn't end up in museums, they would end up in scrap yards. Why waste what has already been manufactured?
The dangers aren't there if you are careful.
Careful in judgment, careful in work.
Many have found that refurbishing an old machine can save them DOLLARS, gets them a fine machine,
A machine they may not easily afford other wise,
...gets them up and running!
Awesome planer guys!
woodsprout 2 years ago
I love old machines....The fun is in refurbing them. Great job
alexis221woodworks 2 years ago
WOW. Great machine.....How available are parts for something like this?
alexis221woodworks 2 years ago
Thank you. Parts for machines this old are unavailable. They have to be custom made. Fortunately this planer came with all the parts except for the extra molding head assembly on the outfeed end. I did have to re-machine a shaft and re pour 10 bearings though. All the feed roll bearings were bad, and so were the cutterhead bearings.
klavelle72a 2 years ago
That is a piece of art! What a great machine!
To emlerron: You, Sir, are an idiot.
chiefchip123 2 years ago
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Ear plugs? Safety glasses? Dust collection? If the fore mentioned hazards
don't do you in the exposed pulleys and
belting will. Its amazes me to see people
risk their life with old unsafe machines.
That planer would never be within feet
of my shop. After 47 years I've grown quite
fond of my limbs. Save up some money and buy a modern safer machine.
emlerron 2 years ago
I'll concede 2 points on your comment. We should have been wearing side shields on our safety rated prescription glasses, and though the machine is really no louder than most lawn mowers, ear plugs wouldn't hurt. The planer does not produce fine dust like a saw or sander, it produces large fluffy chips, so the inhalation danger just isn't present. The machine is dangerous to the operator, but I know and accept the risks associated with running it because I enjoy it.
klavelle72 2 years ago 4
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klavelle72a 9 months ago
I don't criticize others for skydiving, mountain climbing, driving cars, or other dangerous pursuits. As for the money, a modern industrial planer matcher costs six figures. If I saved $100 a month for it, it would take a bit over 83 years to buy one. I enjoy restoring and operating antique industrial machines, and will continue to do so while accepting the associated risks. thank you.
klavelle72 2 years ago 4
@emlerron, Don't put your limbs were they get ripped off, This machine has no guards on it because people are spose to be smart enough not to stick there fingers in it. dust, fuck it, better than inhaling cigaret smoke.
NathansBackwoods 1 year ago
The nanny goverment here in California would put you in jail for that. Noise polution, air polution, safety equipment, child labor. Thank God there are still some places in the country where you can do an honest days work.
toadabc 3 years ago
Them square heads got a distinct sound I believe.
morpheusduvall 3 years ago
Nice machine eric.
When ore if i get the money i come to you to see it in person :D
And we can meet irl if u still want :D
Then i can see ur family to.
would be fun XD
Sjtultjes 3 years ago
woaw, very impressive machive, and so dangerous too!
lordnexus2 3 years ago
wow i would be terrified...
DexterGoneWild 3 years ago
Loved the video. Way to go man.
I have an old 1875 Rowley-Hermance framing machine in storage, that I would like to someday hook up to a line shaft, or a stationary engine. The saw blade and arbor move along a carriage track, instead of the material or table moving.
I've had it since the 60's
BigLon 4 years ago
oh sure have him catch the small boards!!! I have to catch a tree trunk! LOL
fairyfroggie 4 years ago