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  • A very beautiful creation of the human intellect which we can appreciate forever. ;)

  • anyone know where the 6 part fugue is?

  • Yes, I finished GEB months ago but I still come back here. Hello, Bach.

  • Not entirely pleasing to my ear, but I can appreciate to the brilliance and complexity of this piece after having read the introduction to that book.

  • i will be reading my GEB when studies have calmed down a bit - from the reviews i've read about the book, i really can't wait to get on with it!

  • Read about this in the wiki about GEB. Goes to listen to the song.

    Too many notes, just going to stick to enjoying the music.

  • 2 people are still trying to solve the mu puzzle

  • me reading it too!

  • 1fullscore - Why are you wasting your time trying to explain this to some subhuman like xanotos? Some people aren't worth trying to educate.

  • @xanotos65 A song has words, the correct terminology is 'piece' or 'work' thank you. Also this is entirely written using the most intellectually challenging compositional technique known to man...counterpoint! hence it is the least "Stupidest" piece of music you will ever listen to. It's actually probably more intelligent than you are.

  • @xanotos65 You should really learn to study up on things before you call them stupid. Try learning how to play it perfectly and if you can and you still don't like it, you can call it stupid all you want. Saying that this piece is stupid is showing your immaturity and how close-minded you are being. You don't have to like the piece, but please respect the art within itself.

  • @ airamcarmine: On which book are you reffering? What's the topic of the book?

  • @funkyxela7891 Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid, by Douglas R. Hofstadter, 1979. It's hard to name a topic that the book doesn't cover! It's amazing. Brains, logic, computers, the genetic code, structures that loop back on themselves or describe themselves: the book is a work of genius, an "instant classic" from the week it came out. I'm privileged to have gotten to know its author.

  • One person decided to go listen to Magedeth, and good riddance.

  • I will be using this music as part of a planned "spiritual" level LSD dose trip soon. Not sure about the harpsichords, kind of a grating sound. Perhaps piano.

  • In 1955 Aldous Huxley said this music would lead a person under LSD to "an antidote to mental sickness in the future."

  • @theotherjdub

    I tell you, it does indeed.

  • One should always take Aldous Huxley with a grain of salt -especially in 'The Doors of Perception'- but it just so happens I myself have twice had Old Bach to thank for helping anchor me to sanity and mental clarity during a bad LSD trip -the terrors which I'm absolutely certain are an order of magnitude worse than facing a firing squad.

    Come to think of it, I don't remember any such passage in 'TDOP' (I read it in1996, when I was callow enough to take reading suggestions from Jim Morrison).

  • Yep i'm reading Godel Escher Bach right now!

  • @willy1471 Oh yes! Amazing to read the book and listen to the Offering at the same time!

  • @willy1471 So am I... :)

  • All recommend "Evening in the Palace of Reason" about Bach and Frederick ...

  • 48080 views it is destiny

  • I found a reference to this piece in Arturo Perez-Reverte's "The Flanders Panel," a novel about a painting of a fifteenth century chess game that has clues to murders back then and in the present. The book is as "thick" as this music! Marvelous!

  • I found a reference to this piece in Arturo Perez-Reverte's "The Flanders Panel," a novel about a painting of a fifteenth century chess game that has clues to murders back then and in the present. The book is as "thick" as this music! Marvelous

  • I've always been in love with Bach's music, but Hofstadter has given me another reason (a metalogical one!)... Now I... I feel so... insignificant!!!

  • Godel, Escher, Bach everyone? :)

    Truly an amazing book, an amazing piece; a neverending canon, a neverending pleasure to read and listen.

  • @FantasizingHere Agreed, reading GEB right now :)

  • @FantasizingHere I bought the book and im just in the first pages that is how i came to this video, seems like its going to be an amazing book for me! Gretings.

  • @FantasizingHere Hell yes! I first found out about this from that book!

  • @FantasizingHere I'm reading it right now...it's amazing, even if a bit complex!!

    pd: I never studied music...

  • one day frederick the great plinks out some crap for the kapellmeister and expects the musical genius to work with it?

  • Hmm. I don't really like this. Seems too technical, complex, and repetitive to me. Can't say I was ever a big fan of classical music though.

    Oh yeah, GEB brought me here too :)

  • bach wrote the most wondefull badass music

  • 全身全霊全力を使い切る尽くす果たす。超巨大筋肉質の身体になる­。顔も身体も心も引き締め締まる。全身体脂肪も燃やす燃える燃焼­する燃焼させる。全身全能力全精力ごと使い切る尽くす果たす。魂­を燃やす、魂の燃焼だ。全人格的移入だ。生物学的意味でも観念的­意識的意味でも広げ広がり拡大増強する為に、完全骨髄移植培養増­殖自己投与再生医療と女子供が必要だ。究極の達観と至高の卓越、­ 極限の透徹、全てを見渡し通すほど澄み切った綺麗な眼、明鏡止水­の心だ。彼は超人、強化変身し続ける怪物、進化拡大する宇宙、努­力する天才である。

  • GEB too...

  • Whow.. I also came here while reading Godel Escher Bach.. Seems so odd that so many people came here for this very same reason

  • I am reading Godel Escher Bach right now - which brought me to google for this piece of art. Magnificient.

  • I love bach.I think Bach taked revelation from heaven and composed it.

  • @classicbach1

    Didn't Fredrick the Great of Prussia compose the theme which Bach improvised on?

  • @roostadon main theme is from Handel, Frederick transposed it, and Bach delivered it. 3 composers in 1 work. Amazing isn't it? :P

  • @fujianprince the thing about the theme coming froming handel is a theory

  • @BigBiff88 King George I & King Frederick William I (Frederick the Great's father) are from the same Hanoverian dynasty. No doubt that they have exchanged Handel's music. Do not underestimate the fact that Handel's manuscripts were widely circulated in those days.

  • @fujianprince ok then what piece of Handel is the main theme from? 

  • @BigBiff88 Fugue in A minor (Handelsgesellschaft vol. II / iv / 5), measures 5-6.

    I'm surprised many like you are unaware of Handel keyboard works!

  • @fujianprince the thing is king frederick did not transpose anything. The structures between the handels fugue and the theme are similier

  • @BigBiff88 exactly, a transposition of the main structure to C minor (not note per note).

  • @BigBiff88 (cont.) It should be noted that in the Baroque era, "transposition" is not merely changing the melody to another pitch, rather it emphasizes more on the structure of the composition, in accordance to the Baroque's Doctrine of the Affections (Structure > Melody). Thanks for asking. :)

  • @fujianprince the thing about the theme coming from handel is a theory

  • Im reading Godel Escher Bach right now!

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  • im reading Godel Escher Bach now!

  • @MrFotz572 you too!

  • I just started reading Godel, Escher, Bach and it's fascinating. That's what led me to this video. Musicians that think they know the complexity of Bach's music would be blown away.

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  • Thank you sooo much for having put this on Youtube!

  • I was 9 when I first heard this piece and such a depth I was thrown into, weeping and weeping as if I was along for this ride and had no say in the matter. All I had to do is turn it off, but I couldn't. I had a similiar reaction to the double violin concerto and my parents wanted to take me to a psychiatrist because I wouldn't stop crying. Bach should be impressed, making a 9 yr old weep like that.

  • i have been read "GEB" hofstatder's book and a pullitzer winner, so i dont understand good why the author said that this work is like a escher's lithography or gödel's theorem :s ....

    please somebody explain me or in the better case, please tell me if is because i don't have a musical ear!?

  • @sidlors His basic observation is on how canons and fugues play on the concept of self-reference. J.S. Bach just happened to be one of the greatest composers of such works. Hofstadter is not singling him out specifically because the music sounds like a masterpiece (regardless of whether it does or not).

    Read the first chapter again :P.

  • @piemaster21 and @wrybred:

    thanks my friends, i from mexico and a old edition is here (1984) in spanish of curse. now i understand that i should reserch a lote of topics before or parallely to GEB.

    thanks again!!

  • @piemaster21 So, when he's talking about inversions, he's comparing it to strange loops?

  • @sofiakharkover Short answer: yes. What is an inversion? An inversion is intrinsically linked to the concept of the self. You cannot invert something without that something being identified. And it's not just an inversion, it's an inversion being played alongside the original, and/or alongside itself in reverse.

    The idea of a strange loop is one in which some notion of "self" is referenced in the continuation of the loop. To invert something, you say "for each note, invert relative to the self".

  • @sofiakharkover

    simply stated and inversion is a mirror image of the original theme.

    a good examples can be seen in the inverted theme which opens the second part of the Capriccio of the C minor Partita.

  • @piemaster21 So when he's talking about Bach's inversions, he's comparing them to strange loops?

  • @sidlors see the wikipedia page on "A musical offering" - it should andswer your question and raise even more. And after listening to this, one realizes the maze of riddles answered in the goldberg variations, not mentioned on the wiki page, and obviously one iterpretation of the musical offering puzzles.

  • Why should any of us participate in the falsehoods we do when the reality Bach reveals is open to every one of us is a question I ask myself often. No one has an excuse to pursue materialism when this is reality.

  • Hail the father of composition.

  • Gosto muito desta peça ainda mais com instrumentos autenticos, parabens pela postagem!

    roberto38766

  • Frederick II should be proud xD

  • Most Gracious King!

    In deepest humility I dedicate herewith to Your Majesty a musical offering, the noblest part of wich derives from your Majesty's own august hand.... I make bold to add this most humble request: may Your Majesty deign to dignify the present modest labor with a gracious acceptance, and continue to grant Your Majesty's most august Royal grace to

    Your Majesty's most humble and obedient servant, The Author

    From JS Bach to Frederick the Great 1747

  • is that a harpsichord @ 0:32?

  • Yes.

  • i think he was also somewhat inspired by pachelbel and buxtehude.

    he was a german composer who had a lot of influence from buxtehude's northern german style of organ playing, but is also famous for drawing influence from french, italian, and other styles at the time.

  • How does one create so much variation on 8 bars of melody? Bach is truly a genius.

  • I have the entire Musical Offering on CD

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  • Is it this same recording? Or a better one?

    Either way, have you uploaded it somewhere for download? I have yet to find a reliable source to download from.

  • Congratulations.

  • This is an eternal golden braid

  • @avalberola GEB! :-) One is always sure see a comment or two from one of Hofsteadter's readers on these boards.

  • @polymath7 *to see

  • this instrument sounds like a busy fly paper which has caught flies all speaking in Catalan, and of course, no one else understands it.

  • I love this piece of music. Webern's orchestration of it is wonderful too.

  • Webern rules!

  • what I was taught was that baroque was a style of classical music... but i see now that there was also a classical period of music, so i see where someone might get confused...

  • it name the "classical" music by opposition with the popular music but ... since the Renaissance.

    It don't include the first polyphonist and harmonist, like the great Palestrina...

  • Forget what you were "taught". All the great classical composers Mozart, Beethoven, up to Brahms all studied Bach.

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  • Bach studied the music of Albinoni, Vivaldi, the Marcellos, and Couperin among others.

  • @HARMONICO101 Wasn't he at one time in frequent correspondence with Couperin?

  • Ahahhaha. :D

  • He did. A LOT of studying of the major composers before him (Germans, Italians, French...). There are documents (letters from him and his sons), music scores (arrangements, adaptations, "based-upon..." pieces, etc.) and that amply show that. AND he kept at it for all of his life. What he was able to do with this learning is the truly marvelous & amazing thing. Some of the major influences were Buxtehude and the Italians (Vivaldi, Albinoni...) :-)

  • You guys should all read Godel Escher Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid. It talks so much about the musical offering. Really intersting things in it.

  • YES! I just opened it a few hours ago, and now here I am to listen to Bach's work. It makes me happy this connection is made.

  • I feel that if everyone could read and appreciate GEB the world would be a much better place.

  • The book explains why the the initial theme is rather dull, which is uncharacteristic of Bach.

  • I don't think it's dull at all.

    Though this performance, to be sure, drains nearly all the beauty and poetry from it.

  • @polymath7 What specifically do you find lacking in this performance? How could it be performed such that more of the beauty and poetry comes through? What is the nature of the innate beauty and poetry that is drained?

    This was my impression:

    -intonation is spectacular

    -so is rhythm

    -use of rubato I find both stylistic and very expressive

    -so is vibrato and dynamics (excluding harpsichord of course)

    -ornamentation is spot on

    Please satiate my curiosity.

  • @jonaspflute "Please satiate my curiosity."

    Hmm; would that I could, but I'm rather puzzled myself. I'm not sure what the hell I was thinking when I wrote that.

    It was ten months ago, but I think I may have been predjudiced by being heavily accustomed to the Nevile Marinner ASMF recording, of which I'm extremely fond. Also, I was quite likely drunk.

    At any rate, I was dead wrong and retract what I said without qualification.

  • If you enjoyed GEB, you may be interested in Wittgenstein's Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus. It can be difficult; similar to GEB.

  • thats funny, I was just reading that and wanted to hear it, so I looked it up and found this.

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  • @wcbroccoli really? in what regards?

  • @misterbuckethead Never mind. I was confusing GEB with another book: "Evening in the Palace of Reason: Bach Meets Frederick the Great in the Age of Enlightenment" by Gaines.

  • @misterbuckethead Ha, it's so funny you mention that book; I'm actually reading it now and that's why I came here seeking this piece. I'm trying to understand what Hofstadter is talking about when he writes about complex canons. I've never studied music, so it's difficult to really grasp his meaning. Did you get it?

  • @misterbuckethead Thats the book that lead me here ;)

  • @misterbuckethead I have the book in my hands right now. That is why I am listening here. :-) Great book!

  • @misterbuckethead: Hofstadter rules, voorbij pag. 150 versta ik er de botren van, maar Achilles en de schildpad blijft leuk. :-)

  • @misterbuckethead i'm here because of the book!!! glad someone still remember this book!!!

  • the youth underates classic musicans a lot. u have to see them as the rockstars of their time!

  • its not classical music its baroque music and i am one of the youth and i like it

  • baroque is a style of classical music you fool.

  • I guess EVERYBODY on youtube deserves to be insulted

  • Indeed, Bach IS God.

  • Regis Iussu Cantio Et Reliqua Canonica Arte Resoluta

  • RICERCAR

  • Bach is not God....Bach was chosen by God!

  • GOD Over Djinn

  • Nicht Bach, sondern Meer.

  • Is some kind of sweet poison

  • Beautiful music! However... scary picture

  • ha, ha, ha

  • Would this be considered to be a piece written in the galant style?

  • Definitely not. Galante music tried to make the music simpler. With a simpler contrapuntal texture.

  • Gracias por colocar esta "Ofrenda musical"de JSB.

  • An outstanding version of one of Bach's masterpieces (equal to the Goldberg Variations and Brandenburg Concertos).

  • GEB

  • geb ftw!

  • Musical offering

    Well tempered clavier

    Goldberg variations

    The art of fugue

    The "secular" production of Bach is the greatest proof of God's existence :)

  • That's because Bach IS God.

  • If there is a god, then Bach is the only one i'd ever believe in.

  • What fantastic playing!

  • Thank very much. This great. THis was what I was looking for!!

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