@TheJam1192 Constantine was always pagan he was never christian he tried to ruin the religion by mixing it with paganism at the same time making himself look like a god(statue of apollo having a cross but having Constantine face, his arch marked with all paganism symbols and him wanting to be a part Flavian dynasty so much so he named himself Flavian Constantine .) Constantine never wanted to kill Christians instead fight and destroy their ideals.
@TheJam1192 It's funny how half of Constantine's critisizers accuse him of "creating" Christianity from almost nothing for his own ambitions, while the other half accuse him of having understood the certain victory of Christianity and having adapted his policy to this. Can't you agree what really happened? Was Constantine certain that Christianity will prevail or he took an insignificant religion and exalted it to consolidate his rule?
@Lhein33 I don't much care why he did it. Only he can know that. In my opinion however it marks one of the turns toward the decline of the Romans and of technological advancement. I do think he was a very impressive figure of history though.
@TheJam1192 It's important to know WHY, when we study history though.
About the decline of the Roman empire, I can't understand why you think that. Constantine created a currency that remained unaltered for 700 years (world record!), built a city that became the strategic, diplomatic & trade center of the world for 1,100 yrs, regenerated/restructured an empire that marked positively the world for 1,100 yrs, saved thousands of people from the persecutions & followed a wise policy of appeasement.
@Lhein33 All he really did was curtail the decline which continued back again after he died because of more civil war, barbarian migration, ect. Funny how Christians don't talk about him very much with all he did for them.
@TheJam1192 When I study history, I don't care if somebody was Christian, Muslim or pagan. I see only what he did.
Constantine is not responsible for the Völkerwanderung; the fact that the prefered by him half of his state lasted DESPITE the hostility the migrated people had against it shows how skilful he was.
Also, how can you use the word "curtail", since we talk about 7 to 11 centuries? How long should his currency or his empire had lived to say that he breathed life into them? 3,000 yrs?
@Lhein33 Well you can't deny that the person's faith going to effect what they did in history. The eastern half of the empire was not hit as heavy by the migration and the west was nearly broke financially during that time. I use the word curtail because it was still headed toward decline. It wasn't on its way back up. It still slowly came to a tumble. If you look at the later migrations of nomads like the turks, the east still fell to the same problems.
@TheJam1192 Ofc, Constantine was no god; he couldn't change the flow of history. When the Turks came (700 yrs after his death) they caused a lot of problems and finally (1,100 yrs after his death) the took the City. But there are so many events between the 2 periods that we cannot say that Constantine was responsible for everything.
It's a historical fact that Constantine stopped the crisis & the financial crisis with crucial decisions; few men can say they changed their state better than him
u fuckin idiot motherfuckers christianty saved the roman empire from the barbarians and later all of europe became united and christian but the fuckin proplem is the spit between the west and the east i hope that we will unite again
note : athiest gay who made this (GO FUCK YOURSELF )
If you think constantine wasn't great, one word, constantinople (the bulwark for chirstendom against islam, if it wasn't for constantine, no one would have made byzantium the capital, why? constantine found peace for the empire, after constantine no emperor truly cared for strategy, protection and building of the empire until Theodosius I,given that, no emperor would have been capable of thinking about building a shiny brand new capital with war erupting everywhere, fuck you video maker!
did't you watch it whole?? there is a part where he said by sword we bring peace there is no way of bringing peace onto this world rather than cleansing it from the idiots like you i bet the only God that you know is your parents grow up kid
Perhaps the reason why this shows Constentine in a bad way is because IT WAS MADE BY THE BRITSH! Now the british, as we all know, have their own chruch that was made by a sadistic bastard of a king so he could screw different women whenever he felt like it, after he had two of his wives killed of course.
I don't follow the teachings of Christ because I don't believe that he is my path to salvation. Heck I don't believe I need to be saved. But this video tries to take snippets from the show and rearrange them in to some weird attack on western christian religions (Their are other faiths based on the teachings of Christ). You don't need to attack the religion just state why you don't need to believe in it.
I don't believe Constantine was an ignorant man. He used religious ideals to his advantage. think about it this way, Jesus said to love your enemies. So if some one wants to spill bloodshed in the name of Christ they are contradicting themselves not the other way around. I'm not a christian, I worship no one (Not a god or otherwise) Yes much bloodshed has been supposedly done in the name of god. But look at it this way we shouldn't criticize the followers we should criticize the voice.
@elshadiesglory the fucking bible was written by men and reviewed and re-written by idiots in the papal states and medieval europe os fuck out of here with your bible sayings! God i peace, men use god as means of waging war for money and sugarcoating it with religions, hell even the jihadists are same bulshit, name of allah my ass! Same with crusaders!
Constantine was not a Christianist and Its Theodosius who should be blame for that, Constantines edict of milan ended the ban on xtianity and it was his intention for the different faiths to co-exist harmoniously into a culturally pluralistic society, His grand nephew Julian apostatized from the church and became a proponent of paganism and tried to force xtians out of positions of power in gov.
@Obasiliasfilosofos You got the first part right. But as for Julian, he simply wanted to stop the destruction caused by christians and revert to the Greek values. The orthodox church calls him an apostate, yet he was one that saw what domination of one religion would bring
?? what is the relation between the video and your answer? Western Civilization?. This video is speaking of Constantine, who lived more than...1500 years ago?, not 20 years ago. I am not sure if the video is telling the truth..but it says some truth.
such low minded fool who ever made this video, few men dont speak for god Christians did alot of good and theres many diferent christians moron Orthodox christians didnt do this kinda bullshit you speak of fuck u low life just cause u dont believe in good or god dont mean u need to make God seem a blood thirsty tirant f u
MAN is flawed. MAN does violence and uses God for his own agenda. Always has and always will. How does this reflect on God and Christianity? Why blame God? It doesn't make His laws any less right. Maybe because he doesn't stop Man for using Him as an excuse? Why should he? The affairs of Man are insignificant next to His 'Big Picture'. F*** Man. None of this disproves God.
@AussieSladge Apparently you are unfamiliar with the Bible. What about when Moses ordered the Jews to kill the Midianites, killed all the men, women and children, then raped all the virgin girls. What kind of God would allow that? (Numbers 31:7-18). Or what about when God commanded that rape victims be murdered? (Deuteronomy 22:23-24) Or what about when god commands that adulterers be murdered? (Leviticus 20:10.) Or how about when god commands that gays be murdered? (Leviticus 20:13)
@AussieSladge Or what about when god commands that girls who engage in premarital sex be murdered? (Deuteronomy 22:20-21) Or what about when god commands that nonbelievers be murdered? (2 Chronicles 15:12-13) Or how about when god commands that innocent children be murdered? (Isaiah 14:21) (Ezekiel 9:5-7) (Hosea 9:11-16). What about all the superfluous wars god commanded of the Jews? If anything, war, violence and murder is something god specializes in.
@AussieSladge That may not disprove god existence to you. But it certainly confirms that god is not good, because his morality is worse than that of man's and his anger even more puerile. His concern of human sexual behavior is of more importance to him than that of the well being of his creations, or even the violence they commit.
lmao... I like your subtitles.. they're very presumptuous... Constantine marched and brought war... not god... If I kill you and say my neighbor told me to then the rest of the world should clearly hate and question my neighbors ethics regardless of if he had anything to do with it or not. You attack a God who.. real or not... isn't searching the you tubes to defend himself.
another thing you talk about god being paradox of himself.. well if you have read any of the old testament(which i doubt) you would know a little guy called satan, also true peace must be acheived through war......something to think abuot
Paul: "The State doesn't carry swords for nothing." He explaines that the State portect itself from enemies.
Jesus: "Give the State what it wants and God what he wants."
This ist the New Testament. So dont come here and say that Jesus sais that you alwais have to bee good and nice and dont defend yourself or fight in armies.
@Strategos300, God wants "You shall not kill", yet you are so allied with the "state" that you toss that commandment to the ground and urinate on it.
And you have misquoted the statement: "Render unto Caesar THAT WHICH IS CAESAR'S", doesn't mean give the state what it wants, it means pay your taxes, and accept the state's sovereignty over your occupied people. Jesus came to an OCCUPIED jewish land, he didn't war against Rome, he preached obedience to God.
The point is that the New Testament and the Old one both said that "you shall not kill", but they both say that it a diffarence between killing in war and in murder.
if you disagree..do you then think that every war veteran is a sinner and a pagan?
@Strategos300, of course i'll answer, why wouldn't i?
1) a pagan is a person who believes in paganism or pagan theologies, not a warrior.
2) Jesus expected a higher level of behavior than what was demanded of Israel under Moses. He shows in Matt 5: a) the law is NOT abolished (verse 17) b) Christians must be more righteous than Pharisees (notorious "law nazis") (v 20) c) "You shall not kill" has magnified to "You won't be angry with your brother" (v 21-22)
@Strategos300, when i call someone a killer it is because he either kills or would kill, when i call someone a pagan it is because he practices paganism or believes pagan ideas.
War is no justification for a Christian, the gospels show that Satan is the ruler of this planet (otherwise Jesus would have had no temptation when Satan said Luke 4:6). Nations are just Satan's way of dividing mankind into armed camps so they can butcher each other. Christians DO NOT participate in that.
@Alexandros1294, what good deeds? No rich man does anything without a payoff, even if it looks like philanthropy it's usually self-promotion or for the "consumption of the electorate" (public relations).
@muslUnbounded So you wouldn't consider the creation of the Hellenistic Era a 'good deed?' More scientific, engineering, philisophical, moral, literacy, astronomical, and medical advancements were made during this era than in most other time periods in history thanks to the conquest of Alexander the Great. Let's not forget to mention that Alexander was also trying to unite cultures and make them blend into each other during his own conquest.
@muslUnbounded Not always. It was thanks to Alexander's army that the Library of Alexandria was even made. It was thanks to soldiers that Adolf Hitler was defeated. It was thanks to soldiers that Napoleon was defeated.
@Alexandros1294, it was because of soldiers that hitler and napoleon were problems. The library of Alexandria was not the first library on earth and it was not built by soldiers, it was built by the antithesis of a soldier--scholars. do you think there are libraries in China because Alexander conquered China?--that didn't happen.
@muslUnbounded Soldiers were convinced by Napoleon and Hitler. They brought out what they thought was the best in them. They took care of their soldiers. With Hitler especially, a lot of people were coerced to work for Hitler also. You can't place Hitler's crimes on them. The Library at Alexandria was much more influential and great than any library in China. Alexander brought a sense of cultural unity in these people that was very rare for his time.
@Alexandros1294, moot, moot, moot. Hitler and Napoleon brought misery and destruction to an entire continent and without armies they would have done very little indeed.
Iibraries are wonderful things. armies suck. armies are necessary EVILS, but Christians (people who follow Christ's example) will never participate in an army because it requires violating the commandment "You shall not kill". Christ set the example of going peacefully to his murder.
@Alexandros1294 A "Christian" religion that kills, is a sham religion meant for public consumption, not genuine spirituality. That is what Constantine gave the Roman Empire (the beast of the Book of Revelation), he forged the pagan religions into one (which is why your festivals come from the pagans instead of the bible & why you celebrate sunday instead of sabbath).
@muslUnbounded Well good for him then. I don't really care as I'm not a Christian in any way shape or form. Occasionally force has to be used. People can't just lie down and accept to be walked all over on. That's not the way nature works. Not everyone lives peacefully, those who do, occasionally need to break their peace in order to defend themselves.
Well, i'm not religious either and "Christians" should either shit or get off the pot. If you're going to be Christian then be one (who believes "You shall not kill" means what it says). Otherwise quit the cults and be secular and kill when you have to. Constantine was not "great" because he was just another religion-enforcer, who enforced a religion which was not even similar to the names it revered.
@Strategos300, everyone who kills someone is a murderer. Jesus's gospel was that the kingdom of God was going to be established and that this world (owed & ruled by Satan--see Luke 4:6) was going to be liberated from Satan's rulership. Every king and kingdom, nation and people are ruled by Satan according to Jesus Christ and only when he returns will Satan be overthrown (Rev 11:15). All "state religions" are counterfeit religions intended only for the maintenance of that power over people.
The law defines sin (1 John 3:4 "sin is the transgression of the law". see also Rom 7:7).
So a sinner is someone who breaks the law, so a soldier is a sinner because he kills. A Christian is forgiven of his sins because he REPENTS (which means he hates the idea of sinning & promises God he will never sin intentionally again):
Heb 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins"
@muslUnbounded yes..sin is the transgression of the law! And the law sais that if a country is attacked by another, That country will use citizens to fight. Many dont want to fight and breaks the law by fleeing!
@Strategos300, the law is not what you say it is, the law is the law in the bible (the 10 commandments). Nations (satan's governments) have no say in what righteousness is. Christ told his followers to keep the law, not to participate in the wars of the world (John 15:19, 8:23). If you have to break man's law to keep God's law, you don't have a choice if you want to be Christian--you have to obey God.
Do you think Jesus Christ would want derstruction of his own people?
(ofcourse..you think no)
Well I think the Christian people WOULD be destroyed if we just let others kill us! This is a cruel world man! We cant just sit and let people torture our people! Jesus knew that! If he truly ment that we shall turn the other cheek in ALL situations, there would be no Christian Culture today!
@Strategos300, "destruction of his own people?" The Jews are Jesus's own people:
Read John 1:11 which talks of Jesus from the beginning and take note of verse 11 "He came unto his own, and his own received him not." His own are Jews. And for gentiles to be saved they have to become Jews (Romans 11 explains this--note verse 24, and the new covenant is with Israel (Heb 8:8-13).
Now what happened to "his own"? His own temple (!) was destroyed by the Roman beast and his people slaughtered.
@muslUnbounded man, take it easy with the correction. What I want is the deeper answer, not that kind of answer. I mean: Do you think Jesus would want destruction of Christians/Jews/Humans?
@Strategos300, Jesus came to save people, but not from nations, he came to save people from eternal oblivion. He said that unless people repented they would perish (cease to exist)--Luke 13:3. Everyone, no matter what their "religion" is, have to repent and live as Christ set an example, and Christ did not raise a sword against anyone. His standards are far too high for any "state" religion.
@muslUnbounded So what do you suggests? YES ofcourse he came to save people, but I think more of the afterlife when it comes to eternal oblivion. What do you suggest we would do then? When our country is invaded?
@Strategos300, your country already is in the hands of the enemy! Don't you believe the gospels that say that Satan is the "god of this world" (2 Corinthians 4:4), the "prince of this world" (John 12:31, 14:30, 16:11, Eph 2:2). When Satan is described as the "god of this world" you should evaluate whether your personal god is the "One" who COMMANDS "You shall not kill" or the one who says "KILL, BABY KILL!". Sadly, i can see from your profile that you love war and that your real god is Ares.
@muslUnbounded NOW I WILL answer ALL of you're arguments.
1. I am sick of having this discussion
2 Everytime I have wanted a clean answer from you, you only respond by saying something that doesn't answer my question!
3 I am not saying KILL KILL KILL! I am saying that a soldier should do his duty, and it can't be Gods thought that we shall all let us be tortured and murdered by others, we have to defend ourselves!!
4 I lost all respect of you when you start calling me a pagan.
If it was UNJUSTIFIABLE to kill to protect Christ, who can you kill to protect? Christians are called to be the peacemakers (Matt 5:9 "Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.", see also Matt 5:5), to live in peace with all peoples (2 Cor 13:11 "live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you."). REAL Christians threaten to NO ONE, it is not rational for anyone to kill your taxpayers. Ever heard of the Amish?
@muslUnbounded I understand man! And Yes blessed are peacemakers. God loves peace, long live peace..peace is great! BUT we live in a cruel world, and if a nation is invaded by another nation, shall that nation just sit and let it be invaded? No it shall protect itself! Before I leave this discussion completely I ask this question to you:
You must think Churchill, Roosevelt, or any other historical leaders who have protected its country, must be sinners then?
"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have TRIBULATION: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." In other words, he didn't promise a rose garden (in this life), Christians have to live with the threat of martyrdom & torture (which the Roman Empires were infamous for) and the worst trial is the torture of your children, which is why Paul said that he recommended being single (1 Cor 7:8).
@Strategos300, everyone is a sinner. Churchill, Roosevelt, and Hitler all participated in the ways of the world. Christians are not to participate in the world. They are called to grow in love and peace, not be traumatized by war. Do you think people come back from killing whole? Isn't it the will of satan that people kill and be changed (traumatized) by killing?
War is ultimately 2 things:
1) satan committing human sacrifices
2) ultra-rich people protecting their overseas "interests".
@Strategos300, really? so your faith is in armies to keep you from the evil one? A Christian relies on God. A Christian can live under any government and a Christian can be killed by any government. "In this world...tribulation". The "Holy" Roman Empire tortured and martyred many Christians (thanks so much Constantine).
BTW, i'm am atheist, but i know what the bible says. Farewell.
@muslUnbounded AHHHHHHH!!!! Cant you never UNDERSTAND!? Thats why I cant speak to you man! NO THAT IS NOT WHAT I MEAN!
I mean that...you know, forget it! You dont belive, youre just sitting at home and thinks that the world was created with a big bang....wahatever man.
@Strategos300, IF i don't understand what you are saying it is become you're not good at verbalizing your thoughts.
the truth hurts, doesn't it? the facts are that you don't know what Christianity is, and so you're fascinated by evil men who brought war and suffering to distant lands. Why did Napoleon conquer? To better serve mankind?--or to be famous?
btw, i don't believe the big bang theory. it is unproven and sounds too magical (something out of nothing) to be logical.
@Strategos300, how is it that the dead will learn anything? Don't you read your bible?
Ecclesiastes 9:5
"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for even the memory of them is forgotten."
Don't you see what it says? when you die, that's it.
"Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is NO work, NOR device, NOR knowledge, NOR wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest."
@Strategos300 No one knows how the universe was created. The universe 'Big Bang Theory' is the best we've got. It's certainly better than "God created the world in 7 days and 7 nights" bullshit.
@Alexandros1294, actually i would consider a far better theory to be something based on quantum physics. QP says that particles can spontaneously come in & out of existence, especially when a particle & its anti-particle do. The entire mass of the universe can simply be the accumulation of this event. "Big Bang" (a pejorative) is itself a very religion-based theory, the theory's religious adherents say the origin point is where God pointed his finger when he said "let there be light", etc.
@Strategos300, you also have a silly pagan idea that if you don't accept Christ in this life that that is it for you--that's not biblical at all. The bible teaches that REAL Christians are the only ones judged in this life (1 Pet 4:17 "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the HOUSE OF GOD")--NOT the world. "Judgment" is not a thumbs up or thumbs down at your death, it is the observation of a life as it is lived, with the holy spirit changing your heart over a lifetime (Isa 65:20).
@muslUnbounded "silly pagan idea" Show respect dude, this is a normal conversation! Dont you come here and call me a pagan! YOu know nothing about my relationship with God.
@Strategos300, i have answered your question but you don't understand the answer. Pagan: from the latin word for "people", equivalent to "gentile" in Christianity because it referred to the religions of the gentiles, nations, peoples. Constantine's Roman Empire absorbed all their pagan religions under the umbrella of the term "Christian" even though NONE of their doctrines bore any relationship with Christ's teaching. Christ ACTIVELY forbad killing EVEN WHEN JESUS' LIFE WAS ABOUT TO BE ENDED.
@Strategos300, there's no "afterlife". There is a resurrection, in fact, there are 2. One for Christians at Christ's return (1 Thess 4:16, Rev 20:4-6). This is the "better resurrection" (Heb 11:35) because those who come up receive eternal life and become kings & priests in Jesus's Kingdom. The 2nd resurrection happens 1000 years later (Rev 20:5) and is for everyone else (Rev 20:11-15) but it is a new physical life perhaps 100 years long under God's judgment (Isa 65:20). That's biblical.
@Strategos300, there is no "Christian culture" today! There never has been! The religion you think is Christian is more Mithraic, more Egyptian, and way more Samaritan then anything Christ taught. Your religion is the work of Simon Magus (Acts 8) which was the Babylonian offshoot that colonized the vacant land of the 10 tribes. Simon taught a blended (universal) religion whose core was the main ideas of paganism (the universal ideas). That's why RCism is called Mystery Babylon in Revelation.
@Strategos300, "want destruction of his own people?"
have you read the bible? What does it mean in Rev 17:6 that the woman (Rome--as stated in Rev 17:18) is DRUNK with the blood of God's martyrs? What does it mean in Rev 6:9-11 that there would be no avenging of martyrs' blood UNTIL the number got bigger? Who are the martyrs asking for vengeance?--God or state?
Christians (the firstfruits) get a BIGGER reward because they experience more tribulation/persecution than the next harvest.
So all the Christians who have killed another man in battle, or fought in the army, is sinners and "heretics" then? WOW..I am shocked that you guys even think of writing that!
Go tell that to the veterans who have lost their legs in battle,and lost their best friend to protect their homeland. GO tell them that they are "heretics"! You guys should be ashamed on yourself.
@Strategos300, if you want to respond to my comments, press the "reply" button. I was not aware you had responded until i perchance re-visited this site.
Christ brought a religion of love and spirituality, he didn't bring another murder cult like your Macdonald's version of "Christianity". The way you express your religion is surprisingly islamic, where your "martyrs" are violent killers.
@muslUnbounded no no..dont misunderstand me. I dont mean like Islam, that killing in battle is martyrdom and great. Not at all..all I am saying is that a Christian Soldier have to be able to defend himself in war, and the only way is to kill the other soldier. Shall all Christian states just welcome their invaders then? Is Churchill a sinner because he fought against Hitlers evil Holocaust? Respond to that!
@Strategos300, there is no such thing as a Christian state. In fact, "Christian" states have martyred more real Christians than any other. The Book of Revelation shows the number of Christian who will be resurrected when Christ returns in Rev 14. This number includes EVERYONE who is saved from the creation of Adam until that day. That number is revealed in Rev 14:1-5 as only 144,000. These are the firstfruits, the first of 2 harvests.
@Strategos300, are you denying that it is the bible that states those numbers? Are you illiterate?--Read it yourself:
Rev 14:1 shows the time context--the Lamb's feet are on Mount Sion (Zion), so he (Jesus) has returned. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 shows that when Jesus is in the PROCESS of returning, he resurrects all the real Christians and they are the 144,000. Rev 14:3 states it explicitly, the 144,000 are the redeemed OF THE EARTH (the whole earth). Read James 1:18 & Rev 14:4.
AND no one of you have ever gotten my point. EVERYONE have missunderstood me, that is why I also will not respond anylonger, to such unknowlegde channels.
"But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."
If violence was permitted for Christians how could they keep "You shall not kill" (Matt 5:18-19)? Why did the genuine saints go peacefully to their martyrdom? Read Matt 26:50-53.
1 I am not a fanatic. I just say what is WRITTEN IN THE FREAKIN BIBLE...okay?
2 Why hate me because I dont say the same as you? I usually dont respond to dumbass comments like I have done now
4 The bible means dont KILL IN MURDER, not in War. What? So everyone in History are evil persons according to u guys then? Dont you think Jesus KNOWS that we will have to protect ourselves as well?
NO MURDERING that is wrong!
I will not respond from this video anymore, this is too stupid.
The Constantine guy.... Did u guys know that he died being a pagan?
Yes, he supported the Christians as an inevitable evil, but at the same time he was able to control them. Using their constant fightings between each others :)
you should blame the CATHOLIC CHURCH for starting all this bloodshed not the true Christians (who were taught to love everybody..even their enemies, the true christians did not kill their enemies in faith, but the Catholics tried to wipe them out: Muslims (Crusades), Orthodox (during the Sack of Constantinople), Heretics, and others...
Do not attribute all these wrongdoings to God! Attribute these to evil men!
If you actually seen and understood the documentary, you would have known this.
You obviously do not even know the meaning of the word, Great. One is not "great" depending on the amount of lives he destroyed. One is Great for what he did.
You are objecting everyone that IS great by your Grade 1 Remark, Alexander the Great, Peter the Great, Frederick the Great. All of them destroyed more lives than Constantine ever did.
Your video did not ever explain to the slightest how he was not Great.
Learn history and understand it before you object to something.
Constantine is Great because of his influence on the world, without him, Christianity might not even exist anymore. Christians would all be persecuted, by the Empire.
Who says the christian god is all loving and merciful. That makes me laugh read the old testament. Constantine was Great he helped Rome to make that city last a while longer. As for him being a christian he was and a devout one. Blaming god for Constantine being lied to isn't right. The so called murder of his son and first wife.
the god from old testament was the god of no mercy because the earth was full of sins, but he promise to us that he will send his son to save us from the devil, and now the god is not so "bad" because we have his son for our protection and the holy spirit and virgin mary mother of god.
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. isaiah: 45:7 there that should put an end to the evil argument, in regards to atheism and monotheism. who gives a shit? evil is created through selfishness, and is why christ says, if any man should follow me, i would have him deny himself.
Good evening and God bless you, I would give you a piece of advice - read carefully, learn to analyse and be careful how do you speak about the things you refuse and do not accept.
Good point the whole point about christianity was peace love and understanding.Constantine seemed to have forgotten it somehow when he had his son and former political enemies murdered. Full of guilt and remorses he saw that knew faith as a hope for redemption.
@RozSatyros it is obvious that here on this earth of relativity, and when looking through eyes of duality ( not the single eye which Christ pleads with us to use) that what is not for, is against. there is no such thing as neutrality in this place. neutrality is nothing in a world defined by action. You are either hot or cold,in-between, or lukewarm, is nothing, is emptiness, you could call it contentment, but the truly religious would call it hell.
a fucking stupid video whoever made this is a ignorant fuck , what the hell id christanity had to do with constandine fighting .even if he didnt convert to christianity he still would have fought and killed people.
That may apply to real life, but if one believes in the Christian God, since he is supposedly all-powerful, you would expect him to find a better way to spread his word instead of exploiting the reality that humans disagree with one another. He should just show everybody all at once that he exists. Sounds much more effective if you want people to listen to your word?
yes I understand your point. But in that time, christianity was a slaves religion, no roman would listen to him if he just showed a sign. At that time (I mean) it was impossible to change a religion or culture without going to war.
@tothboy01 Listen, I understand Jesus' words and Christianity...I am christian, and I know that war must not be the selotion to everything. All I am saying is that David was in wars and fought against others with armies and such, and it was Gods will. Thats all I am trying to say. After Jesus there was a small change though, but if you are a soldier, you will fight, even if you are christian.
@tothboy01 and by the way, dont blame GOD for Constantines wars! Do you really think that Constantine, who was human, had more right than God. What if it wasn't Gods will? Thought of that? Constantine was the one that started the wars, not God.
@RozSatyros and I think everyone here will agree with me that all you are doing is looking for someone to blame your problems on, I guess you pick god. We make evil ourselves and to whom ever god we chose we to follow we always fight war in the name of god or peace, thought war is always about our own human greed for power, land and money. if god is real or not, lets point the finger at ourselves before we try to change other people.
For all purposes I am an Athiest as well, but evil is a component of free will. Evil exists in anything that can possess intent, otherwise how can one claim anything is good either.
It depends on what christian sect you refer to when you discuss their beliefs on free will. Some sects believe everything is predetermined, whilst others believe your choices determine your fate. Also, there is no universal Athiest belief, other than there is no God. Philosophers have made arguments independent of the belief in God that there truly exists no free will for man. Besides if you read carefully early christian philosophy was basically Greek philosophy. Read Cicero.
You f* ! Whatever faith you believe in!
TheYu87 2 months ago
f***** you! Infedel! Muslim!
TheYu87 3 months ago
@TheYu87, I am not a muslim. Islam is as dumb as Christianity.
tothboy01 2 months ago
Constantine is the one who really put Christianity on the map.
TheJam1192 3 months ago
@TheJam1192 Constantine was always pagan he was never christian he tried to ruin the religion by mixing it with paganism at the same time making himself look like a god(statue of apollo having a cross but having Constantine face, his arch marked with all paganism symbols and him wanting to be a part Flavian dynasty so much so he named himself Flavian Constantine .) Constantine never wanted to kill Christians instead fight and destroy their ideals.
MegaVenom777 2 months ago
@TheJam1192 It's funny how half of Constantine's critisizers accuse him of "creating" Christianity from almost nothing for his own ambitions, while the other half accuse him of having understood the certain victory of Christianity and having adapted his policy to this. Can't you agree what really happened? Was Constantine certain that Christianity will prevail or he took an insignificant religion and exalted it to consolidate his rule?
Lhein33 1 month ago
@Lhein33 I don't much care why he did it. Only he can know that. In my opinion however it marks one of the turns toward the decline of the Romans and of technological advancement. I do think he was a very impressive figure of history though.
TheJam1192 1 month ago
@TheJam1192 It's important to know WHY, when we study history though.
About the decline of the Roman empire, I can't understand why you think that. Constantine created a currency that remained unaltered for 700 years (world record!), built a city that became the strategic, diplomatic & trade center of the world for 1,100 yrs, regenerated/restructured an empire that marked positively the world for 1,100 yrs, saved thousands of people from the persecutions & followed a wise policy of appeasement.
Lhein33 1 month ago
@Lhein33 All he really did was curtail the decline which continued back again after he died because of more civil war, barbarian migration, ect. Funny how Christians don't talk about him very much with all he did for them.
TheJam1192 1 month ago
@TheJam1192 When I study history, I don't care if somebody was Christian, Muslim or pagan. I see only what he did.
Constantine is not responsible for the Völkerwanderung; the fact that the prefered by him half of his state lasted DESPITE the hostility the migrated people had against it shows how skilful he was.
Also, how can you use the word "curtail", since we talk about 7 to 11 centuries? How long should his currency or his empire had lived to say that he breathed life into them? 3,000 yrs?
Lhein33 1 month ago
@Lhein33 Well you can't deny that the person's faith going to effect what they did in history. The eastern half of the empire was not hit as heavy by the migration and the west was nearly broke financially during that time. I use the word curtail because it was still headed toward decline. It wasn't on its way back up. It still slowly came to a tumble. If you look at the later migrations of nomads like the turks, the east still fell to the same problems.
TheJam1192 1 month ago
@TheJam1192 Ofc, Constantine was no god; he couldn't change the flow of history. When the Turks came (700 yrs after his death) they caused a lot of problems and finally (1,100 yrs after his death) the took the City. But there are so many events between the 2 periods that we cannot say that Constantine was responsible for everything.
It's a historical fact that Constantine stopped the crisis & the financial crisis with crucial decisions; few men can say they changed their state better than him
Lhein33 1 month ago
@Lhein33 I'm not saying Constantine was responsible for everything. I think you missed my original point and now we've moved to topics elsewhere.
TheJam1192 1 month ago
u fuckin idiot motherfuckers christianty saved the roman empire from the barbarians and later all of europe became united and christian but the fuckin proplem is the spit between the west and the east i hope that we will unite again
note : athiest gay who made this (GO FUCK YOURSELF )
MrGendawy 3 months ago 2
@MrGendawy Those are some very christianly words there guy.
TheJam1192 3 months ago
@MrGendawy you are not a great christian and need to go to church more or read your bible or something. wow just wow.
MegaVenom777 2 months ago
If you think constantine wasn't great, one word, constantinople (the bulwark for chirstendom against islam, if it wasn't for constantine, no one would have made byzantium the capital, why? constantine found peace for the empire, after constantine no emperor truly cared for strategy, protection and building of the empire until Theodosius I,given that, no emperor would have been capable of thinking about building a shiny brand new capital with war erupting everywhere, fuck you video maker!
Justinian43 3 months ago
perhaps man is stupid.Not the creator.
ButteryAssAbel 5 months ago
did't you watch it whole?? there is a part where he said by sword we bring peace there is no way of bringing peace onto this world rather than cleansing it from the idiots like you i bet the only God that you know is your parents grow up kid
ilums50 6 months ago
Perhaps the reason why this shows Constentine in a bad way is because IT WAS MADE BY THE BRITSH! Now the british, as we all know, have their own chruch that was made by a sadistic bastard of a king so he could screw different women whenever he felt like it, after he had two of his wives killed of course.
a7vtank 6 months ago
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Exactly!
And neither was Alexander!
Nor the Roman Empire...the most sadistic, vicious, psychotic, pedophiliacs in history.
EarthaKit2 6 months ago
Exactly!
And neither was Alexander!
Nor the Roman Empire...the most sadistic, psychotic, pedophiliacs in history.
EarthaKit2 6 months ago
@EarthaKit2 Pedophilicacs... well, sometimes the greeks done that too, the pederasty (search in books or in wikipedia)
JulioAvi 6 months ago
@EarthaKit2 if it wasn;t for the roman empire, you would be a muslim and you would have less technology you fucking retard!
Justinian43 3 months ago
damn, what's your problem? History is written by powerful men and nations and religion has always been their instrument.
MrPrimewar 7 months ago
I don't follow the teachings of Christ because I don't believe that he is my path to salvation. Heck I don't believe I need to be saved. But this video tries to take snippets from the show and rearrange them in to some weird attack on western christian religions (Their are other faiths based on the teachings of Christ). You don't need to attack the religion just state why you don't need to believe in it.
Sibbot 7 months ago 2
I don't believe Constantine was an ignorant man. He used religious ideals to his advantage. think about it this way, Jesus said to love your enemies. So if some one wants to spill bloodshed in the name of Christ they are contradicting themselves not the other way around. I'm not a christian, I worship no one (Not a god or otherwise) Yes much bloodshed has been supposedly done in the name of god. But look at it this way we shouldn't criticize the followers we should criticize the voice.
Sibbot 7 months ago
lol did u get ur facts from a movie?!
MrGenFegelein 7 months ago
Who in the first place said God or Jesus was peacfull.
Mat 10:34 Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth. I did not come to send peace, but a sword.
elshadiesglory 7 months ago
@elshadiesglory the fucking bible was written by men and reviewed and re-written by idiots in the papal states and medieval europe os fuck out of here with your bible sayings! God i peace, men use god as means of waging war for money and sugarcoating it with religions, hell even the jihadists are same bulshit, name of allah my ass! Same with crusaders!
Justinian43 3 months ago
Keep beating a dead horse!
Constantine was not a Christianist and Its Theodosius who should be blame for that, Constantines edict of milan ended the ban on xtianity and it was his intention for the different faiths to co-exist harmoniously into a culturally pluralistic society, His grand nephew Julian apostatized from the church and became a proponent of paganism and tried to force xtians out of positions of power in gov.
Obasiliasfilosofos 10 months ago
@Obasiliasfilosofos You got the first part right. But as for Julian, he simply wanted to stop the destruction caused by christians and revert to the Greek values. The orthodox church calls him an apostate, yet he was one that saw what domination of one religion would bring
mygdoniatis 7 months ago
ill agree with seanon,
your making a worne out argument thats been done a ton of times before and done better,
if nothing else you never showed why constantine wasnt great it was just a bashing excercise
elgostine 10 months ago
fucking shithead
Torur0A 11 months ago
I can see you have achieved much more than Constantine you parasitic chimp
jpapca 1 year ago
@jpapca ARRHHH BLESSSS......ROTFLMFHOYC :)
CrusaderLuis 11 months ago
THIS IS TYPICAL, LEFT WING, LIBERAL, TREE HUGGING, HOMOSEXUAL PROPAGANDA AND BULL SHIT OF THE HIGHEST ORDER...
IT IS PEOPLE LIKE THIS WHO ARE TYING TO DESTROY OUR GREAT WESTERN CIVILISATION THROUGH ATHEISM, MORAL RELATIVISM,
MULTI-CULTURALISM, THE ENDLESS IMMORAL CORRUPTING SHIT ON T.V.....
REPENT YOU SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF WHORES, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE FOR YOU...
CrusaderLuis 1 year ago
@CrusaderLuis man. dont you think that is a bit too extreme?
koreanizeme 11 months ago
@koreanizeme NO, I MOST CERTAINLY DO NOT....OPEN YOUR EYES...
CrusaderLuis 11 months ago
@CrusaderLuis aye but my friend they are open. and they have been for a bit though i falter back here and there.
koreanizeme 11 months ago
@koreanizeme lol...Yes, I bet you do....lol...
Well, we shall have to agree to disagree on that one..
CrusaderLuis 11 months ago
@CrusaderLuis
?? what is the relation between the video and your answer? Western Civilization?. This video is speaking of Constantine, who lived more than...1500 years ago?, not 20 years ago. I am not sure if the video is telling the truth..but it says some truth.
prigual 9 months ago
@prigual no man he just twisted the video, we know constantine wasn't innocent and a saint, he was just brilliant at playing sides and strategy.
Justinian43 3 months ago
such low minded fool who ever made this video, few men dont speak for god Christians did alot of good and theres many diferent christians moron Orthodox christians didnt do this kinda bullshit you speak of fuck u low life just cause u dont believe in good or god dont mean u need to make God seem a blood thirsty tirant f u
03Srbija 1 year ago
MAN is flawed. MAN does violence and uses God for his own agenda. Always has and always will. How does this reflect on God and Christianity? Why blame God? It doesn't make His laws any less right. Maybe because he doesn't stop Man for using Him as an excuse? Why should he? The affairs of Man are insignificant next to His 'Big Picture'. F*** Man. None of this disproves God.
AussieSladge 1 year ago
@AussieSladge Apparently you are unfamiliar with the Bible. What about when Moses ordered the Jews to kill the Midianites, killed all the men, women and children, then raped all the virgin girls. What kind of God would allow that? (Numbers 31:7-18). Or what about when God commanded that rape victims be murdered? (Deuteronomy 22:23-24) Or what about when god commands that adulterers be murdered? (Leviticus 20:10.) Or how about when god commands that gays be murdered? (Leviticus 20:13)
blobvision 1 year ago
@AussieSladge Or what about when god commands that girls who engage in premarital sex be murdered? (Deuteronomy 22:20-21) Or what about when god commands that nonbelievers be murdered? (2 Chronicles 15:12-13) Or how about when god commands that innocent children be murdered? (Isaiah 14:21) (Ezekiel 9:5-7) (Hosea 9:11-16). What about all the superfluous wars god commanded of the Jews? If anything, war, violence and murder is something god specializes in.
blobvision 1 year ago
@AussieSladge That may not disprove god existence to you. But it certainly confirms that god is not good, because his morality is worse than that of man's and his anger even more puerile. His concern of human sexual behavior is of more importance to him than that of the well being of his creations, or even the violence they commit.
blobvision 1 year ago
lmao... I like your subtitles.. they're very presumptuous... Constantine marched and brought war... not god... If I kill you and say my neighbor told me to then the rest of the world should clearly hate and question my neighbors ethics regardless of if he had anything to do with it or not. You attack a God who.. real or not... isn't searching the you tubes to defend himself.
jaxup1985 1 year ago
another thing you talk about god being paradox of himself.. well if you have read any of the old testament(which i doubt) you would know a little guy called satan, also true peace must be acheived through war......something to think abuot
dragonviruz 1 year ago
Angry pissed off atheist much?
dragonviruz 1 year ago
AND listen to this then!
Paul: "The State doesn't carry swords for nothing." He explaines that the State portect itself from enemies.
Jesus: "Give the State what it wants and God what he wants."
This ist the New Testament. So dont come here and say that Jesus sais that you alwais have to bee good and nice and dont defend yourself or fight in armies.
Strategos300 1 year ago
@Strategos300, God wants "You shall not kill", yet you are so allied with the "state" that you toss that commandment to the ground and urinate on it.
And you have misquoted the statement: "Render unto Caesar THAT WHICH IS CAESAR'S", doesn't mean give the state what it wants, it means pay your taxes, and accept the state's sovereignty over your occupied people. Jesus came to an OCCUPIED jewish land, he didn't war against Rome, he preached obedience to God.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded ofcourse..then we are agree.
The point is that the New Testament and the Old one both said that "you shall not kill", but they both say that it a diffarence between killing in war and in murder.
if you disagree..do you then think that every war veteran is a sinner and a pagan?
Please answer :)
Strategos300 1 year ago
@Strategos300, of course i'll answer, why wouldn't i?
1) a pagan is a person who believes in paganism or pagan theologies, not a warrior.
2) Jesus expected a higher level of behavior than what was demanded of Israel under Moses. He shows in Matt 5: a) the law is NOT abolished (verse 17) b) Christians must be more righteous than Pharisees (notorious "law nazis") (v 20) c) "You shall not kill" has magnified to "You won't be angry with your brother" (v 21-22)
Read also Matthew 26:52.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded yea but some of you called killers for pagans..thats why I wrote it. But I cant find something to convince me in your quotes.
Strategos300 1 year ago
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muslUnbounded 1 year ago
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@Strategos300, when i call someone a killer it is because he either kills or would kill, when i call someone a pagan it is because he practices paganism or believes pagan ideas.
War is no justification for a Christian, the gospels show that Satan is the ruler of this planet (otherwise Jesus would have had no temptation when Satan said Luke 4:6). Nations are just Satan's way of dividing mankind into armed camps so they can butcher each other. Christians DO NOT participate in that.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded Do they not? Hmm... well it looks like I need to reread my history of the Crusades say that the Crusaders were all Satanists then!
Alexandros1294 1 year ago
@Alexandros1294, soldiers are just the servants of the rich & powerful. No righteous act was ever performed by murdering.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded But were their not good deeds that came into being because of a soldier's work?
Alexandros1294 1 year ago
@Alexandros1294, what good deeds? No rich man does anything without a payoff, even if it looks like philanthropy it's usually self-promotion or for the "consumption of the electorate" (public relations).
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded So you wouldn't consider the creation of the Hellenistic Era a 'good deed?' More scientific, engineering, philisophical, moral, literacy, astronomical, and medical advancements were made during this era than in most other time periods in history thanks to the conquest of Alexander the Great. Let's not forget to mention that Alexander was also trying to unite cultures and make them blend into each other during his own conquest.
Alexandros1294 1 year ago
@Alexandros1294, ideas spread without the need of violence. soldiers destroy libraries and cultures; they bring suffering and death.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded Not always. It was thanks to Alexander's army that the Library of Alexandria was even made. It was thanks to soldiers that Adolf Hitler was defeated. It was thanks to soldiers that Napoleon was defeated.
Alexandros1294 1 year ago
@Alexandros1294, it was because of soldiers that hitler and napoleon were problems. The library of Alexandria was not the first library on earth and it was not built by soldiers, it was built by the antithesis of a soldier--scholars. do you think there are libraries in China because Alexander conquered China?--that didn't happen.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded Soldiers were convinced by Napoleon and Hitler. They brought out what they thought was the best in them. They took care of their soldiers. With Hitler especially, a lot of people were coerced to work for Hitler also. You can't place Hitler's crimes on them. The Library at Alexandria was much more influential and great than any library in China. Alexander brought a sense of cultural unity in these people that was very rare for his time.
Alexandros1294 1 year ago
@Alexandros1294, moot, moot, moot. Hitler and Napoleon brought misery and destruction to an entire continent and without armies they would have done very little indeed.
Iibraries are wonderful things. armies suck. armies are necessary EVILS, but Christians (people who follow Christ's example) will never participate in an army because it requires violating the commandment "You shall not kill". Christ set the example of going peacefully to his murder.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@Alexandros1294 A "Christian" religion that kills, is a sham religion meant for public consumption, not genuine spirituality. That is what Constantine gave the Roman Empire (the beast of the Book of Revelation), he forged the pagan religions into one (which is why your festivals come from the pagans instead of the bible & why you celebrate sunday instead of sabbath).
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded Well good for him then. I don't really care as I'm not a Christian in any way shape or form. Occasionally force has to be used. People can't just lie down and accept to be walked all over on. That's not the way nature works. Not everyone lives peacefully, those who do, occasionally need to break their peace in order to defend themselves.
Alexandros1294 1 year ago
@Alexandros1294,
Well, i'm not religious either and "Christians" should either shit or get off the pot. If you're going to be Christian then be one (who believes "You shall not kill" means what it says). Otherwise quit the cults and be secular and kill when you have to. Constantine was not "great" because he was just another religion-enforcer, who enforced a religion which was not even similar to the names it revered.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@Strategos300, everyone who kills someone is a murderer. Jesus's gospel was that the kingdom of God was going to be established and that this world (owed & ruled by Satan--see Luke 4:6) was going to be liberated from Satan's rulership. Every king and kingdom, nation and people are ruled by Satan according to Jesus Christ and only when he returns will Satan be overthrown (Rev 11:15). All "state religions" are counterfeit religions intended only for the maintenance of that power over people.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded ofcourse..everyone who kills is a murderer, but my point is that it is two ways of murdering. One in battle and one in hate or plot.
Strategos300 1 year ago
@Strategos300
The law defines sin (1 John 3:4 "sin is the transgression of the law". see also Rom 7:7).
So a sinner is someone who breaks the law, so a soldier is a sinner because he kills. A Christian is forgiven of his sins because he REPENTS (which means he hates the idea of sinning & promises God he will never sin intentionally again):
Heb 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins"
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded yes..sin is the transgression of the law! And the law sais that if a country is attacked by another, That country will use citizens to fight. Many dont want to fight and breaks the law by fleeing!
Strategos300 1 year ago
@Strategos300, the law is not what you say it is, the law is the law in the bible (the 10 commandments). Nations (satan's governments) have no say in what righteousness is. Christ told his followers to keep the law, not to participate in the wars of the world (John 15:19, 8:23). If you have to break man's law to keep God's law, you don't have a choice if you want to be Christian--you have to obey God.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded So answer this!:
Do you think Jesus Christ would want derstruction of his own people?
(ofcourse..you think no)
Well I think the Christian people WOULD be destroyed if we just let others kill us! This is a cruel world man! We cant just sit and let people torture our people! Jesus knew that! If he truly ment that we shall turn the other cheek in ALL situations, there would be no Christian Culture today!
Strategos300 1 year ago
@Strategos300, "destruction of his own people?" The Jews are Jesus's own people:
Read John 1:11 which talks of Jesus from the beginning and take note of verse 11 "He came unto his own, and his own received him not." His own are Jews. And for gentiles to be saved they have to become Jews (Romans 11 explains this--note verse 24, and the new covenant is with Israel (Heb 8:8-13).
Now what happened to "his own"? His own temple (!) was destroyed by the Roman beast and his people slaughtered.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded man, take it easy with the correction. What I want is the deeper answer, not that kind of answer. I mean: Do you think Jesus would want destruction of Christians/Jews/Humans?
Strategos300 1 year ago
@Strategos300, Jesus came to save people, but not from nations, he came to save people from eternal oblivion. He said that unless people repented they would perish (cease to exist)--Luke 13:3. Everyone, no matter what their "religion" is, have to repent and live as Christ set an example, and Christ did not raise a sword against anyone. His standards are far too high for any "state" religion.
"Can't you explain what [what?] means?"
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded So what do you suggests? YES ofcourse he came to save people, but I think more of the afterlife when it comes to eternal oblivion. What do you suggest we would do then? When our country is invaded?
Strategos300 1 year ago
@Strategos300, your country already is in the hands of the enemy! Don't you believe the gospels that say that Satan is the "god of this world" (2 Corinthians 4:4), the "prince of this world" (John 12:31, 14:30, 16:11, Eph 2:2). When Satan is described as the "god of this world" you should evaluate whether your personal god is the "One" who COMMANDS "You shall not kill" or the one who says "KILL, BABY KILL!". Sadly, i can see from your profile that you love war and that your real god is Ares.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded NOW I WILL answer ALL of you're arguments.
1. I am sick of having this discussion
2 Everytime I have wanted a clean answer from you, you only respond by saying something that doesn't answer my question!
3 I am not saying KILL KILL KILL! I am saying that a soldier should do his duty, and it can't be Gods thought that we shall all let us be tortured and murdered by others, we have to defend ourselves!!
4 I lost all respect of you when you start calling me a pagan.
Strategos300 1 year ago
@Strategos300, think about that:
If it was UNJUSTIFIABLE to kill to protect Christ, who can you kill to protect? Christians are called to be the peacemakers (Matt 5:9 "Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.", see also Matt 5:5), to live in peace with all peoples (2 Cor 13:11 "live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you."). REAL Christians threaten to NO ONE, it is not rational for anyone to kill your taxpayers. Ever heard of the Amish?
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded I understand man! And Yes blessed are peacemakers. God loves peace, long live peace..peace is great! BUT we live in a cruel world, and if a nation is invaded by another nation, shall that nation just sit and let it be invaded? No it shall protect itself! Before I leave this discussion completely I ask this question to you:
You must think Churchill, Roosevelt, or any other historical leaders who have protected its country, must be sinners then?
Strategos300 1 year ago
@Strategos300, Jesus said in John 16:33
"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have TRIBULATION: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." In other words, he didn't promise a rose garden (in this life), Christians have to live with the threat of martyrdom & torture (which the Roman Empires were infamous for) and the worst trial is the torture of your children, which is why Paul said that he recommended being single (1 Cor 7:8).
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@Strategos300, everyone is a sinner. Churchill, Roosevelt, and Hitler all participated in the ways of the world. Christians are not to participate in the world. They are called to grow in love and peace, not be traumatized by war. Do you think people come back from killing whole? Isn't it the will of satan that people kill and be changed (traumatized) by killing?
War is ultimately 2 things:
1) satan committing human sacrifices
2) ultra-rich people protecting their overseas "interests".
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded ok, but no human is not a sinner then! How can we live in this world then?
I am done with this, bye mate..
Strategos300 1 year ago
@Strategos300, really? so your faith is in armies to keep you from the evil one? A Christian relies on God. A Christian can live under any government and a Christian can be killed by any government. "In this world...tribulation". The "Holy" Roman Empire tortured and martyred many Christians (thanks so much Constantine).
BTW, i'm am atheist, but i know what the bible says. Farewell.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded AHHHHHHH!!!! Cant you never UNDERSTAND!? Thats why I cant speak to you man! NO THAT IS NOT WHAT I MEAN!
I mean that...you know, forget it! You dont belive, youre just sitting at home and thinks that the world was created with a big bang....wahatever man.
Strategos300 1 year ago
@Strategos300, IF i don't understand what you are saying it is become you're not good at verbalizing your thoughts.
the truth hurts, doesn't it? the facts are that you don't know what Christianity is, and so you're fascinated by evil men who brought war and suffering to distant lands. Why did Napoleon conquer? To better serve mankind?--or to be famous?
btw, i don't believe the big bang theory. it is unproven and sounds too magical (something out of nothing) to be logical.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded
whatever man...you never understand...and when ur dead, we'll see who's right
:) God bless you! (in ur face!)
Strategos300 1 year ago
@Strategos300, how is it that the dead will learn anything? Don't you read your bible?
Ecclesiastes 9:5
"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for even the memory of them is forgotten."
Don't you see what it says? when you die, that's it.
Ecclesiastes 9:10
"Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is NO work, NOR device, NOR knowledge, NOR wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest."
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded whatever man..chill, Im done with this anyway
Strategos300 1 year ago
@Strategos300, so long! you were easily dispatched in this debate, because you do not even know the basis of Christianity--the gospel of Christ.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@Strategos300 No one knows how the universe was created. The universe 'Big Bang Theory' is the best we've got. It's certainly better than "God created the world in 7 days and 7 nights" bullshit.
Alexandros1294 1 year ago
@Alexandros1294, actually i would consider a far better theory to be something based on quantum physics. QP says that particles can spontaneously come in & out of existence, especially when a particle & its anti-particle do. The entire mass of the universe can simply be the accumulation of this event. "Big Bang" (a pejorative) is itself a very religion-based theory, the theory's religious adherents say the origin point is where God pointed his finger when he said "let there be light", etc.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded Curchill and Roosevelt saved youre ass from Nazies..btw..
but WHATEVER THEN
Strategos300 1 year ago
@Strategos300, you also have a silly pagan idea that if you don't accept Christ in this life that that is it for you--that's not biblical at all. The bible teaches that REAL Christians are the only ones judged in this life (1 Pet 4:17 "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the HOUSE OF GOD")--NOT the world. "Judgment" is not a thumbs up or thumbs down at your death, it is the observation of a life as it is lived, with the holy spirit changing your heart over a lifetime (Isa 65:20).
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded "silly pagan idea" Show respect dude, this is a normal conversation! Dont you come here and call me a pagan! YOu know nothing about my relationship with God.
Strategos300 1 year ago
@Strategos300, i have answered your question but you don't understand the answer. Pagan: from the latin word for "people", equivalent to "gentile" in Christianity because it referred to the religions of the gentiles, nations, peoples. Constantine's Roman Empire absorbed all their pagan religions under the umbrella of the term "Christian" even though NONE of their doctrines bore any relationship with Christ's teaching. Christ ACTIVELY forbad killing EVEN WHEN JESUS' LIFE WAS ABOUT TO BE ENDED.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@Strategos300, there's no "afterlife". There is a resurrection, in fact, there are 2. One for Christians at Christ's return (1 Thess 4:16, Rev 20:4-6). This is the "better resurrection" (Heb 11:35) because those who come up receive eternal life and become kings & priests in Jesus's Kingdom. The 2nd resurrection happens 1000 years later (Rev 20:5) and is for everyone else (Rev 20:11-15) but it is a new physical life perhaps 100 years long under God's judgment (Isa 65:20). That's biblical.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@Strategos300, there is no "Christian culture" today! There never has been! The religion you think is Christian is more Mithraic, more Egyptian, and way more Samaritan then anything Christ taught. Your religion is the work of Simon Magus (Acts 8) which was the Babylonian offshoot that colonized the vacant land of the 10 tribes. Simon taught a blended (universal) religion whose core was the main ideas of paganism (the universal ideas). That's why RCism is called Mystery Babylon in Revelation.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@Strategos300, "want destruction of his own people?"
have you read the bible? What does it mean in Rev 17:6 that the woman (Rome--as stated in Rev 17:18) is DRUNK with the blood of God's martyrs? What does it mean in Rev 6:9-11 that there would be no avenging of martyrs' blood UNTIL the number got bigger? Who are the martyrs asking for vengeance?--God or state?
Christians (the firstfruits) get a BIGGER reward because they experience more tribulation/persecution than the next harvest.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded What? Cant you explain what it means?
Strategos300 1 year ago
So all the Christians who have killed another man in battle, or fought in the army, is sinners and "heretics" then? WOW..I am shocked that you guys even think of writing that!
Go tell that to the veterans who have lost their legs in battle,and lost their best friend to protect their homeland. GO tell them that they are "heretics"! You guys should be ashamed on yourself.
Strategos300 1 year ago
@Strategos300, if you want to respond to my comments, press the "reply" button. I was not aware you had responded until i perchance re-visited this site.
Christ brought a religion of love and spirituality, he didn't bring another murder cult like your Macdonald's version of "Christianity". The way you express your religion is surprisingly islamic, where your "martyrs" are violent killers.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded no no..dont misunderstand me. I dont mean like Islam, that killing in battle is martyrdom and great. Not at all..all I am saying is that a Christian Soldier have to be able to defend himself in war, and the only way is to kill the other soldier. Shall all Christian states just welcome their invaders then? Is Churchill a sinner because he fought against Hitlers evil Holocaust? Respond to that!
Strategos300 1 year ago
@Strategos300, there is no such thing as a Christian state. In fact, "Christian" states have martyred more real Christians than any other. The Book of Revelation shows the number of Christian who will be resurrected when Christ returns in Rev 14. This number includes EVERYONE who is saved from the creation of Adam until that day. That number is revealed in Rev 14:1-5 as only 144,000. These are the firstfruits, the first of 2 harvests.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded WHAT!? Are you some kind of Joshuas witness? You come with numbers of who is going to be resurrected?
Strategos300 1 year ago
@Strategos300, are you denying that it is the bible that states those numbers? Are you illiterate?--Read it yourself:
Rev 14:1 shows the time context--the Lamb's feet are on Mount Sion (Zion), so he (Jesus) has returned. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 shows that when Jesus is in the PROCESS of returning, he resurrects all the real Christians and they are the 144,000. Rev 14:3 states it explicitly, the 144,000 are the redeemed OF THE EARTH (the whole earth). Read James 1:18 & Rev 14:4.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
and I can agree that something I said in the beginning was wrong....but that is only SOMETHING.
Strategos300 1 year ago
AND no one of you have ever gotten my point. EVERYONE have missunderstood me, that is why I also will not respond anylonger, to such unknowlegde channels.
Strategos300 1 year ago
The world is NOT that SWEET NICE World you think it is guys! It is cruel! We have to be able to protect ourselves!!!
Strategos300 1 year ago
@Strategos300
how do you reconcile your believe that you have to "protect yourself" with what Christ preached?
Matthew 5:39
"But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."
If violence was permitted for Christians how could they keep "You shall not kill" (Matt 5:18-19)? Why did the genuine saints go peacefully to their martyrdom? Read Matt 26:50-53.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
OK! TO ALL HATERS
1 I am not a fanatic. I just say what is WRITTEN IN THE FREAKIN BIBLE...okay?
2 Why hate me because I dont say the same as you? I usually dont respond to dumbass comments like I have done now
4 The bible means dont KILL IN MURDER, not in War. What? So everyone in History are evil persons according to u guys then? Dont you think Jesus KNOWS that we will have to protect ourselves as well?
NO MURDERING that is wrong!
I will not respond from this video anymore, this is too stupid.
Strategos300 1 year ago
So you think the world would be better w/out religion? Think about it. No one would have a single moral issue in killing someone, or stealing.
Seareen 1 year ago
All religions are superstition and invented for the imbeciles
psilocyberspaceman 1 year ago
The Constantine guy.... Did u guys know that he died being a pagan?
Yes, he supported the Christians as an inevitable evil, but at the same time he was able to control them. Using their constant fightings between each others :)
514Designer 1 year ago
@514Designer Thats debatable. There is some evidence he was baptized on his death bed.
crk416 1 year ago
you should blame the CATHOLIC CHURCH for starting all this bloodshed not the true Christians (who were taught to love everybody..even their enemies, the true christians did not kill their enemies in faith, but the Catholics tried to wipe them out: Muslims (Crusades), Orthodox (during the Sack of Constantinople), Heretics, and others...
Do not attribute all these wrongdoings to God! Attribute these to evil men!
koopakid10 1 year ago
tothboy might be retarded, he do realise that constantine lived in 300 AD?
yeah, im sure you would have been an atheist at that time...
quezcatol 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Learn History before you do things such as these.
AqworldsWiki 1 year ago
If you actually seen and understood the documentary, you would have known this.
You obviously do not even know the meaning of the word, Great. One is not "great" depending on the amount of lives he destroyed. One is Great for what he did.
You are objecting everyone that IS great by your Grade 1 Remark, Alexander the Great, Peter the Great, Frederick the Great. All of them destroyed more lives than Constantine ever did.
Your video did not ever explain to the slightest how he was not Great.
AqworldsWiki 1 year ago
A word of advice to you, tothboy01.
Learn history and understand it before you object to something.
Constantine is Great because of his influence on the world, without him, Christianity might not even exist anymore. Christians would all be persecuted, by the Empire.
AqworldsWiki 1 year ago
constantine is a crazy doggggggggggggg
MegaPamela77 1 year ago
Actually, Christian Rome was more peaceful and humane than pagan Rome. Fewer brutal conquests, fewer slaves, no more gladiatorial games etc
mst3k4evur 1 year ago
This is not religion in a nutshell this is man trying to change history.
sicilia313 1 year ago
Who says the christian god is all loving and merciful. That makes me laugh read the old testament. Constantine was Great he helped Rome to make that city last a while longer. As for him being a christian he was and a devout one. Blaming god for Constantine being lied to isn't right. The so called murder of his son and first wife.
sicilia313 1 year ago
Religion in a nutshell
AdamBauer85 1 year ago
if you want peace prepare for war
Vangelis1014 1 year ago
if you want peace prepare for war!!!!!
Vangelis1014 1 year ago
the god from old testament was the god of no mercy because the earth was full of sins, but he promise to us that he will send his son to save us from the devil, and now the god is not so "bad" because we have his son for our protection and the holy spirit and virgin mary mother of god.
ByzOldSchool 1 year ago
constantine was a great leader
constantine XI was a great martir
cazanova827 1 year ago
All Abrahamic religions must be stopped.
Stalin and Nero had the right idea about the Christians
Hitler had the right idea about the Jews.
Richard the Lionheart and Vladimir Putin had the right idea about the Muslims.
They were just underachievers.
PaulieRomanov 1 year ago
gay video is gay
RedShadow238 1 year ago
This has to be the dumbest thing I have ever seen
epearl8 1 year ago
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. isaiah: 45:7 there that should put an end to the evil argument, in regards to atheism and monotheism. who gives a shit? evil is created through selfishness, and is why christ says, if any man should follow me, i would have him deny himself.
sourspork 1 year ago
Good evening and God bless you, I would give you a piece of advice - read carefully, learn to analyse and be careful how do you speak about the things you refuse and do not accept.
ArchangelTyraelski 2 years ago 2
woot 1:00 is that the west and the east roman empire fighting :O
phoenixking321 2 years ago
Good point the whole point about christianity was peace love and understanding.Constantine seemed to have forgotten it somehow when he had his son and former political enemies murdered. Full of guilt and remorses he saw that knew faith as a hope for redemption.
BDeiste 2 years ago
"He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad" Matthew 12:30
that doesnt sound very loving and peaceful to me
RozSatyros 2 years ago
Yeah sounds more like GW planning to invade another country
BDeiste 2 years ago
@RozSatyros it is obvious that here on this earth of relativity, and when looking through eyes of duality ( not the single eye which Christ pleads with us to use) that what is not for, is against. there is no such thing as neutrality in this place. neutrality is nothing in a world defined by action. You are either hot or cold,in-between, or lukewarm, is nothing, is emptiness, you could call it contentment, but the truly religious would call it hell.
why is this not peaceful? it is stable/true
sourspork 1 year ago
Constantine was great,he knew the difference.
Colts4ever123 2 years ago
a fucking stupid video whoever made this is a ignorant fuck , what the hell id christanity had to do with constandine fighting .even if he didnt convert to christianity he still would have fought and killed people.
albokk 2 years ago
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Strategos300 2 years ago
Wow. What a fanatic you are.
tothboy01 2 years ago 2
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Strategos300 2 years ago
DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE because God said so
hahahahahahaha
you are not a fanatic, you are funny, so funny
PS
and stupid
RozSatyros 2 years ago
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Strategos300 2 years ago
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Strategos300 2 years ago
That may apply to real life, but if one believes in the Christian God, since he is supposedly all-powerful, you would expect him to find a better way to spread his word instead of exploiting the reality that humans disagree with one another. He should just show everybody all at once that he exists. Sounds much more effective if you want people to listen to your word?
tothboy01 2 years ago
yes I understand your point. But in that time, christianity was a slaves religion, no roman would listen to him if he just showed a sign. At that time (I mean) it was impossible to change a religion or culture without going to war.
Strategos300 2 years ago
poor God, He doesnt sound all-powerful to me, then
RozSatyros 2 years ago
@RozSatyros Jeez are you seriously an idiot? DONT BLAME GOD! I am talking about Constantine, what he did...God didn't go to war...jeeeez
Strategos300 1 year ago
@tothboy01 Listen, I understand Jesus' words and Christianity...I am christian, and I know that war must not be the selotion to everything. All I am saying is that David was in wars and fought against others with armies and such, and it was Gods will. Thats all I am trying to say. After Jesus there was a small change though, but if you are a soldier, you will fight, even if you are christian.
Strategos300 1 year ago
@tothboy01 and by the way, dont blame GOD for Constantines wars! Do you really think that Constantine, who was human, had more right than God. What if it wasn't Gods will? Thought of that? Constantine was the one that started the wars, not God.
Strategos300 1 year ago
Good And Evil!!!!????
hahahahaha
yeah ok
Why God created Evil in the first place?
RozSatyros 2 years ago
@RozSatyros He did not he created free will and with free will you are not bound by rules.
Alucardthedeadone 2 years ago
God did NOT create Evil?
hahahaha
then who did?
atheists . org / Free _ Will
RozSatyros 2 years ago
Do you understand what free will even is? Human chose evil because we have the free will in our mind to do so.
Alucardthedeadone 2 years ago
ok humans chose evil
who created evil?
and God hates free will
Dont forget that He has a "plan"
so he hates free will
RozSatyros 2 years ago
@RozSatyros we did and he does not hate will for there are many ways to a plan.
Alucardthedeadone 2 years ago
so your "good" God created good and we created "Evil"
you are SICK
seriously, this illness has a name
go to a phycotherapist
RozSatyros 2 years ago
@RozSatyros and I think everyone here will agree with me that all you are doing is looking for someone to blame your problems on, I guess you pick god. We make evil ourselves and to whom ever god we chose we to follow we always fight war in the name of god or peace, thought war is always about our own human greed for power, land and money. if god is real or not, lets point the finger at ourselves before we try to change other people.
Alucardthedeadone 2 years ago 2
You blame yourself, I cant blame God
Me blaming God is like blaming little red riding hood.
I am an atheist, thus I cant blame something that I believe that doesnt exist
I blame humans, priests and so on, and ideas like these you can find in all the religions of the world
RozSatyros 2 years ago
For all purposes I am an Athiest as well, but evil is a component of free will. Evil exists in anything that can possess intent, otherwise how can one claim anything is good either.
belisarius2930 2 years ago
The Christian Free will is something different from the atheist Free will
Also an atheist doesnt need a God to create neither good nor evil
What Christians say (and defies logic) is that God created good but Man Evil
RozSatyros 2 years ago
It depends on what christian sect you refer to when you discuss their beliefs on free will. Some sects believe everything is predetermined, whilst others believe your choices determine your fate. Also, there is no universal Athiest belief, other than there is no God. Philosophers have made arguments independent of the belief in God that there truly exists no free will for man. Besides if you read carefully early christian philosophy was basically Greek philosophy. Read Cicero.
belisarius2930 1 year ago