I know one blonde psychologist from Poland, who is champion of manipulation, she destroyed my family and me. Not with gun, not with knife but with WORDS ,WORDS...... She is member of International Positive Psychology Association !
that broke my heart when astrids mom was a bitch to poor claire abs when her husband was a dick but i loved when astrid and claire cuddled it was so sweet i hate that claire killed herself i wish she hadnt
Ingrid reminds me of my mother, after reading about this astrid character and how much of a fighter she was and how she broke free from her mothers poisness manipulation it insipred me to do the same.
Ingred doesn't care about Astred as a person at all does she? she cares about her work. the child she raised as a work of art. her possesion, her creation. under her will.
she hopes that someone will think like her. so that she isn't such a freak of nature. unfortunately her daughter isn't a sociopath.
the love that Astrid gives her is what she craves. She doesn't love her back, the affection she shows is merely a clever way of manipulation.
She's manipulative for a reason. She doesn't want to lose what she "created". Her daughter is hers and hers alone (not that, that is good in any sense). Reading the book gives more incite, although she did kill Claire.
Clear is such a pure good person, and so delicate and fragile. It's sad the way the world works, Ingrid goes to prison, having commited murder, and she goes on ruining lives. Her own daughter's life, this... woman who has done nothing to her. And Clear, who deserves only happiness gets--- It's like Astrid's trying to get away from her mother's web but she's always stuck in it, alongside other people.
"I would rather see you in the worst kind of fostered hell" That's a selfish bitch!!! But that line right there captured the essence of Ingrid in the book. Michelle Pfeiffer softens her up some because she's actually likeable at time in the film, but in the movie...
@lbonista You would have to read the book to understand more. For one, in the book, Ingrid is a poet, not an artist. (Although poetry is an art.) However, this is an important detail because in the book she has a very vast and extensive vocabulary and because of that she is quite arrogant. She is also very neglectful of Astrid who worships her and feels guilty for "ruining" Ingrid's life which Ingrid plays up on. Plus she stalks that Barry guy for a while before she kills him.
Astrid's mother is SO like one of my friend's. She just like, throws these little seeds of doubt all over the place and if you're not grounded before you go into a conversation with her you come out feeling completely dismantled.
What a great movie with a tragic storyline. Michelle Pfeiffer is the most evil mother on film to date. This clip is fascinating in its brutal contrast between the two mothers. Powerful and well written.
I'm reading the book and watching the movie at the same time and I'd have to say that Ingrid is intelligent, but she is very manipulative, narcissistic, and sinister. Just the character developing in the book scares me. Very well written out.
At 2:43 Good Grief! You could actually see Ingrid getting ready to sharpen her nails towards Claire. As soon as Claire mentions her husband you can spot the very moment Ingrid instantly spots her weakness and uses it against her. Michelle Pfeiffer has won my respect towards her. That woman is an incredible actress.
It's amazing 2 c how pain piles up in this film, a chain of consequences, nothing's left 2 the chance but the consequence itself. "Intelligence is a moral issue"Adorno.Many seem to forget this sometimes, preoccupied with own life plans.But u don't really expect a mother of a teenager serving jail 4 murder to stay sane. Instead of putting the wig of the judge here we can just observe how moral values degenerate in such circumstances. No one is insured against that.
There really was an order called the Poor Claires. Women in the olden days who did not marry and had no where to go family wise would join the Poor Claires who were basically like nun-drudges and get assigned all the hard tasks in nunneries, not really full nuns because even the church expected a sum of money (dowery) to be paid when you joined a convent.
Everyone's so negative about Astrid's mother but I can't imagine that it's in the least bit EASY for her to see strangers become the new parents of her child, the only person she had to count on for many years. Especially when it's beginning to appear that Astrid prefers these new women to her own mother.
i cant believe claire killed herself... when she was holding astrid in her arms, in the bed, it really seemed like they were going to go through this together and that they would take care of eachother... i mean, what was possibly going through her mind? the relation shit she developped with astrid in a couple of months seemed way much strong than with her husband's...And also she definetly saw that coming... Even Ingrid and Astrid did... I dont know, little things like that frustrates me even
The mother seems to be mostly hating the fact that her only child is growing up under the care of total strangers. And being that she is a total control freak, this is the stem of the problem now. Just look at how she is holding Astrid so close and constantly rubing her arm in mock comfort. Astrid is realizing who her mother really is, and finding comfort in the other women around her, this is y the mom is out to ruin everyone else's lives around her. Growing resentment.
Oh I cannot stand Michelle Pfeiffer's character. Just because she's miserable doesn't mean she needs to make everyone else's life a hell. That woman she lived with was the best one she could and you'd think she would want what's best for her daughter. Jeez!!
Ingrid is very evil but Michelle Pfieffer did such a wonderful job playing this character. She should've won a Best Supporting Actress Oscar award for this role. She's so good at playing evil. Renee Zellwanger was how I pictured Claire when I read the book she did a fair job. Alison is good as well. I loved the book and the movie is very well done even if it's depressing!
How selfish do you have to be to kill yourself with someone who's already been traumatized repeatedly in the room. I want to like Claire, I really do, but she makes it impossible by being so mindnumbingly selfish and manipulable. She lets herself be a puppet getting dragged across the floor by strings she's created, yet she acts like it's everyone elses fault for using her when it's she who teaches them to use her.
4:41 There is a purely logical reason the mother wants what she says here for Astrid. If astrid is happy she goes out the window as nothing more than the wind. If astrid is sad she will forever have the thought "I wish my mother were here" in the back of her mind while she remembers how it used to be and how it should be, thus the mother lives on forever.
i hate how everyone in the movie seems to think that ingrid is "strong" - just b/c she acts tough. She's the weakest one in the film, having to kill her boyfriend when he hurts her, having to attact a random woman b/c shes pissed off she ended up in prison. ingrid's character is just so screwed up - but its great to analyze her meaning in the film. claire shouldnt have listened to anything that messed up woman said to her. you cant take anything ingrid says personally.
@misssexybabe338 I think you are quite wrong. What random woman did she attack. Most people that commented on this movie via youtube have a poor analysis on the mother. I would say a majority of what the mother said was true.
Ingrid didn't not cause Claire to die. She was already on suicide watch. She just put the words to make sure if it's what she really wanted to do and to just do it if she does. Wouldn't you want o defend yourself if a man attacked you? so that' just a poor explanation.
@misssexybabe338 Did you see how she studied Claire? She can read people. most comments said Ingrid is not intelligent and soicopath. I think she is intelligent, about 98% of what she said is true. But most people are not able to understand for many reasons. i didn't expect a lot of people to understand Ingrid. I do not think Ingrid is weak. I think Claire. The mother is right she could not learn anything from Claire. She couldnt even give a reason why she liked her work.
@misssexybabe338 Ingrid may not be the best mother but she did help her daughter face the world. If she didn't kill her boyfriend and said the same things she said . People would look at her in a different light.
Ingrid is strong, she is strong mentally& meantality is strong
Didn't you notice the people said that before meeting her.
Just because she murdered someone doesn't mean she is tough.That is not what the other characters mean. She is strong because of what she saids and her mentality.
God, I hated how-in the book- Ron just expects astrid to look after clairelike a dog. It's like those ignorant teen moms who expect the baby to "love" them
@electrucindaair I have not read the book, but I am looking forward to receiving it for Christmas (Yay! ^^). In the movie, Ingrid is poisonous, but she only used the oleanders on Barry. I never thought they'd be used to represent Ingrid's poison in general, but maybe you have a point since the movie is called White Oleander.
Is her mom mad? Because he mom does seems to be you know abit over her head lol, she needs more than prison she needs help. What ever she says Astrid does it and its unfair to her. Its a good movie.
Ingrid's a sociopath. This book really affected me - I read it in one sitting and couldn't stop crying for hours. The film is really good too, although it misses out some of the good parts.
i think since astrid and ingrid was so used to each other then, that they only trust and understand each other, it was difficult for them to be a part. i think coz ingrid is miserable and astrid was initially miserable too, they got along well.but here, when astrid starts feeling loved, ingrid wants to manipulate her so that she wont be alone feeling miserable. its like "if i cant be happy, then you cant be also"
Ingrid has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. And seeing her take the one decent thing her daughter has ever had and destroy it makes me sick to my stomach. She's so manipulative that it makes my skin crawl.
I think Ingrid attitude towards claire is actually beneficial, she's in prison and has little result in how her daughter matures. Everything she sais and all the lessons she has taught Astrid has helped prepare her for the real world. Which whether we choose to acknowledge it or not is quite a cruel cold slap of reality.
Ugh, I take back what I said about Ingrid caring about Astrid more...she's so manipulative. I'm not surprised that she does this to Claire, but to AStrid, her own daughter? That's just cruel. She feels so superior in her hatred and narcissism, so above everyone else...I hate her.
Ugh I can almost hear Ingrid's thoughts when she talked to Claire. "Can't you see what an idiot this woman is, Astrid? How could you perfer her to me?"
I know what you mean now that I've read a bit more of the book. It is beautifully written and describes Astrid's relationship with her mother in greater depth, as well as Astrid's changing feelings when she's 12 and as she gets older. But, since this is a movie, they only had limited space, and you have to convey things visually because you can't get inside someone's head. All things considered, I think this was well done here, with the pale colours and the two remarkable lead actresses.
@Chocolateluvr1987 Not only that, but she seems so sincere, gentle, and candid with Astrid and towards her husband. The prick had no Idea what kind of gem he had. I wish people were more like Clair in reality. No secrets or mysteries. No darkness or hidden manipulative motives. Just all loyalty, honesty, and openness because of genuine unconditional love and tenderness. Clair didn't stand a chance with Ingrid. That woman destroyed what little esteem Clair had left inside her for her pleasure.
@jadedlovely818 I disagree to some extent. Yes, Claire is lovely and she does mean well for Astrid, but essentially, she is also emotionally abusing her (more clearly in the book than in the film). Claire is deeply troubled (probably Borderline Personality Disorder) and believes she is dependent on others, that her husband's presence fills her, that then Astrid's presence can fill this hole. But no one single person can "fix" another person. It's too much responsibility for Astrid.
dont get me wrong, i LOVE ingrid and admire her for her strength and independence but its like, just when astrid begins to feel loved by someone other than her mother (paul and claire) ingrid has to pounce.
it frustrates me!
but i guess i have to remember that she'd feel threatened and everything.
What's there to love about Ingrid? She's not independent, she simply rebels against everything conventional and does the exact opposite - rather than thinking for herself. That's not independent; that's juvenile. And we can see here where it got her to. She's selfish, and incapable of taking care of her daughter.
The astrology reference made my life. I'M big into astrology and I always wonder what the characters' signs are, haha. Ingrid's a psycho bitch. I can't stand her. She scares me.
@CordeliaL84 i thought ingrid had to be leo; moon in leo at least, and so afflicted. i was raised by predominately leo parents; my mom is quite similar to ingrid in terms of me me me, manipulation, not wanting you to have friends, not letting you have a say on anything, etc.... my father is likewise except he has a more tolerant affect because he has pisces ascendent.
"Love humiliates you, hatred cradles you." This is a misrepresentation of a logical truth. Love consists of impassioned surrender and can be undignified, hatred and love are similar in this regard, both are impulses which triumph over reason. Indifferent and aloof strength 'cradles', by placing chaotic feelings in fetters. When such a person feels love, they manifest it with a god-like reserve. I imagine the mother paid dearly for this errant worldview.
The mother is so selfish. She commits murder without even thinking about the consequences for her daughter. Then the daugter has to go through horrible experiences while having to listen to that crap about them being perfect. Finally there is someone being nice to her and taking good care of her daughter and she becomes jealous and possesive. It is so obvious she is trying to take Rene's character down by pretending to be so interested.. She should have stayed out of her daughters life.
despite Astrids mother being to what other ppl say crazy and such in the book I found her to be quiet amazing the way her words sounded like a poem and how she was just captivated me
i guess that ost of what the mother says is correct, i am not saying all of it, but the part concerning men in general is correct and how a girl should behave is correct too. this is the conclusion i came too after a long period of time!
I wished they had kept Ingrid as a poet. I've recently finished the book, and I was blown away by Janet Fitch's writing. I wished they had kept everything from the book. I pictured Claire just as she was described, Aubrey Hepburn like. I do have to say though, both Michelle and Allison was beautifully cast.
Both Claire's husband and Astrid's mother are emotional vampires. People like that can be labeled with a term. The trick is to "see" them. That's the silver.
Book is os much better. They r missing (in the movie) the part when Astrid lives with Marvel,they r missing a lot of impt parts. Maybe if i didnt read the book first i'd like the movie better
I agree the book is amazing! I as well saw the movie before I read the book and though it is a shame the movie didn't include her stay with marvel or amelia and the girls it left me with picturing it in my head and I enjoyed that :]
I wish they would have shown that Claire had an eating disorder. It's been a long time since I read the book, but reading the description of Astrid finding Claire make herself throw up portrayed how low she had sunken, her shattered self-esteem, and her frustration with anything subpar. Like the way the bathroom was set up when Astrid arrived, perfection was required for everything for Claire. If it wasn't perfect, it wasn't enough.
I truly do not like her mothers ways but something about her tell me that there is more that troubles her she must have grown up in an very tough environment bc. no child just becomes insane like she is
NOOOOO
HazlittHere 1 week ago
Mark's a total douche.
DickieAnginson 1 month ago
Ingrid's an evil bitch. She tore Claire apart with just one conversation.
DickieAnginson 1 month ago 3
I thought claire was sweet and beautiful but she's the total oposite
Anoniempjea 1 month ago
I know one blonde psychologist from Poland, who is champion of manipulation, she destroyed my family and me. Not with gun, not with knife but with WORDS ,WORDS...... She is member of International Positive Psychology Association !
1763magda 1 month ago
lol at 3:33 she kinda looks like Emma Watson.
But seriously. They put in the PYRAMID, but not other IMPORTANT things???? Yeesh.
Swimsmile12 2 months ago
I love Claire in the book. She's beautiful and kind, but so fucking fragile.
unwell333 2 months ago
astrids mom ruined a great thing for Astrid. claire was perfect for her as a mother figure. and her mom destroyed that.
parkerlaine123 2 months ago
that broke my heart when astrids mom was a bitch to poor claire abs when her husband was a dick but i loved when astrid and claire cuddled it was so sweet i hate that claire killed herself i wish she hadnt
trlovlsts4evr 3 months ago
Ingrid reminds me of my mother, after reading about this astrid character and how much of a fighter she was and how she broke free from her mothers poisness manipulation it insipred me to do the same.
ilovemazzystar 3 months ago
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Love this movie!! :)
MissTamika98 4 months ago
My mom is just like Ingrid. Ewe.
DayMare2000 5 months ago 3
Ingred doesn't care about Astred as a person at all does she? she cares about her work. the child she raised as a work of art. her possesion, her creation. under her will.
she hopes that someone will think like her. so that she isn't such a freak of nature. unfortunately her daughter isn't a sociopath.
the love that Astrid gives her is what she craves. She doesn't love her back, the affection she shows is merely a clever way of manipulation.
hezziattubeyou 5 months ago
The mother's a jealous bitch.
FuzzBallFrost 5 months ago
She's manipulative for a reason. She doesn't want to lose what she "created". Her daughter is hers and hers alone (not that, that is good in any sense). Reading the book gives more incite, although she did kill Claire.
chiigirl93 6 months ago
That was a character assassination on an unbelievable level!
LOLUK 6 months ago
Manipulative, insensitive, & straight up arrogant; Ingrid just exudes bitchiness!!!
TheCandymusiclover 6 months ago
i liked ingrid in the book
cocobaby1969 6 months ago
@cocobaby1969 :O HOW? She's a bitch, sorry for my language. I've read the book too. She's incredibly intelligent, I'll give her that, but...
songbird2332 6 months ago
i love how gracefully she poisons his milk
smiggle185 7 months ago
they skipped the majority of the book. this barely has any of the foster homes in it
FishFrenzy22 8 months ago
woot woot, scorpio!
gabriellagorey1 9 months ago
Clear is such a pure good person, and so delicate and fragile. It's sad the way the world works, Ingrid goes to prison, having commited murder, and she goes on ruining lives. Her own daughter's life, this... woman who has done nothing to her. And Clear, who deserves only happiness gets--- It's like Astrid's trying to get away from her mother's web but she's always stuck in it, alongside other people.
VendettaValerie 10 months ago
it's gotta be freaky to wake up to someone dead right next to you...@-@
fluffywolf08 11 months ago
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i want to bang Astrid hard in her tiny vaj
SoCalxHeartbreaker 11 months ago
"I would rather see you in the worst kind of fostered hell" That's a selfish bitch!!! But that line right there captured the essence of Ingrid in the book. Michelle Pfeiffer softens her up some because she's actually likeable at time in the film, but in the movie...
MsRose00 11 months ago
@MsRose00 what is ingrid like in the books vs the movie?
lbonista 8 months ago
@lbonista You would have to read the book to understand more. For one, in the book, Ingrid is a poet, not an artist. (Although poetry is an art.) However, this is an important detail because in the book she has a very vast and extensive vocabulary and because of that she is quite arrogant. She is also very neglectful of Astrid who worships her and feels guilty for "ruining" Ingrid's life which Ingrid plays up on. Plus she stalks that Barry guy for a while before she kills him.
MsRose00 7 months ago 8
Astrid's mother is SO like one of my friend's. She just like, throws these little seeds of doubt all over the place and if you're not grounded before you go into a conversation with her you come out feeling completely dismantled.
DizzyDior12 11 months ago
Is it just me or does Renee's forehead make a lot of wrinkles?
winstonlin143 1 year ago
What a great movie with a tragic storyline. Michelle Pfeiffer is the most evil mother on film to date. This clip is fascinating in its brutal contrast between the two mothers. Powerful and well written.
mrshiggs1 1 year ago
Ilove this movie
kayandmak 1 year ago
Ingrid: She's become so secretive.
Claire: Astrid isn't secretive at all. We talk about EVERYTHING all the time.
Astrid: @_@ *shut up bitch!*
catseye664 1 year ago
@catseye664 ahahh
nm11607 4 days ago
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amaririi 1 year ago
she is so FUCKING manupulating
joetoeb15 1 year ago
@joetoeb15 yup!
irshgrl500 11 months ago
I'm reading the book and watching the movie at the same time and I'd have to say that Ingrid is intelligent, but she is very manipulative, narcissistic, and sinister. Just the character developing in the book scares me. Very well written out.
Cuteyoshigirl 1 year ago 2
what at 243
loosifur 1 year ago
look at 2:43!!!
DecaPierce 1 year ago
At 2:43 Good Grief! You could actually see Ingrid getting ready to sharpen her nails towards Claire. As soon as Claire mentions her husband you can spot the very moment Ingrid instantly spots her weakness and uses it against her. Michelle Pfeiffer has won my respect towards her. That woman is an incredible actress.
jadedlovely818 1 year ago 2
damn michelle is a bitch in this movie.
RomanSedlak 1 year ago
This movie is so underated. The camera and actores, and off course the director really did great jobs.
5699cebolinha 1 year ago
so where are marvel and olivia?! >(
uetzify 1 year ago 2
@uetzify and sergei??
cartergirl3of3 1 year ago
It's amazing 2 c how pain piles up in this film, a chain of consequences, nothing's left 2 the chance but the consequence itself. "Intelligence is a moral issue"Adorno.Many seem to forget this sometimes, preoccupied with own life plans.But u don't really expect a mother of a teenager serving jail 4 murder to stay sane. Instead of putting the wig of the judge here we can just observe how moral values degenerate in such circumstances. No one is insured against that.
jeenthough 1 year ago
There really was an order called the Poor Claires. Women in the olden days who did not marry and had no where to go family wise would join the Poor Claires who were basically like nun-drudges and get assigned all the hard tasks in nunneries, not really full nuns because even the church expected a sum of money (dowery) to be paid when you joined a convent.
Aariel37 1 year ago
Pfeiffer you cunning bitch, how do that to your own kid?
oakleee 1 year ago
@oakleee u mean ingrid! LOL
vanityandlove 1 year ago
Everyone's so negative about Astrid's mother but I can't imagine that it's in the least bit EASY for her to see strangers become the new parents of her child, the only person she had to count on for many years. Especially when it's beginning to appear that Astrid prefers these new women to her own mother.
kayleeam 1 year ago
@kayleeam If you read the book, you would understand why everyone despises her mother.
Petrabi 1 year ago
i cant believe claire killed herself... when she was holding astrid in her arms, in the bed, it really seemed like they were going to go through this together and that they would take care of eachother... i mean, what was possibly going through her mind? the relation shit she developped with astrid in a couple of months seemed way much strong than with her husband's...And also she definetly saw that coming... Even Ingrid and Astrid did... I dont know, little things like that frustrates me even
humpaloompa 1 year ago
Snake....MP does play her well...
alleycatalog 1 year ago
The mother seems to be mostly hating the fact that her only child is growing up under the care of total strangers. And being that she is a total control freak, this is the stem of the problem now. Just look at how she is holding Astrid so close and constantly rubing her arm in mock comfort. Astrid is realizing who her mother really is, and finding comfort in the other women around her, this is y the mom is out to ruin everyone else's lives around her. Growing resentment.
umersgirl 1 year ago 7
Ugh Astrids mom is a Biotch! She is smart though she can manipulate anything!
I hate people like that! snakes thats all they are!
aleruthrocks 1 year ago
Ah...I LOVE sociopaths. They are so much fun. :)
ThamesStreethooker 1 year ago 2
Oh I cannot stand Michelle Pfeiffer's character. Just because she's miserable doesn't mean she needs to make everyone else's life a hell. That woman she lived with was the best one she could and you'd think she would want what's best for her daughter. Jeez!!
JeniBurton213 1 year ago 2
Ingrid is very evil but Michelle Pfieffer did such a wonderful job playing this character. She should've won a Best Supporting Actress Oscar award for this role. She's so good at playing evil. Renee Zellwanger was how I pictured Claire when I read the book she did a fair job. Alison is good as well. I loved the book and the movie is very well done even if it's depressing!
Drew73586 1 year ago
How selfish do you have to be to kill yourself with someone who's already been traumatized repeatedly in the room. I want to like Claire, I really do, but she makes it impossible by being so mindnumbingly selfish and manipulable. She lets herself be a puppet getting dragged across the floor by strings she's created, yet she acts like it's everyone elses fault for using her when it's she who teaches them to use her.
coralaisly 1 year ago
my opinion ingrid is extremely intelligent and an
amazing philosopher. &i agree the majority of what she
says is true. Her outlook on men,life,herself and astrid.
but some of her intentions and thoughts were 'wrong.' i think.
CupcakeAuslyn 1 year ago 2
her hair got so much longer. she must have been there for quite some time.
cutebutterfly09 1 year ago
4:41 There is a purely logical reason the mother wants what she says here for Astrid. If astrid is happy she goes out the window as nothing more than the wind. If astrid is sad she will forever have the thought "I wish my mother were here" in the back of her mind while she remembers how it used to be and how it should be, thus the mother lives on forever.
xNightxwolfx2 1 year ago
is the book really better thn the movie?
i just got it but didnt read it yet...
CupcakeAuslyn 1 year ago
@CupcakeAuslyn Yes it is. You'll love the book! I just read it and fell in love with it, but thats me!
Drew73586 1 year ago
ingrid is exactly how i would lyk 2 b if i didnt care 2 b a good person. shes awesomely evil. and brilliant. but i want 2 b a good person.
teendramakween 1 year ago
heath ledger is back baby
Heathledger94 1 year ago
i hate how everyone in the movie seems to think that ingrid is "strong" - just b/c she acts tough. She's the weakest one in the film, having to kill her boyfriend when he hurts her, having to attact a random woman b/c shes pissed off she ended up in prison. ingrid's character is just so screwed up - but its great to analyze her meaning in the film. claire shouldnt have listened to anything that messed up woman said to her. you cant take anything ingrid says personally.
misssexybabe338 1 year ago 4
@misssexybabe338 I think you are quite wrong. What random woman did she attack. Most people that commented on this movie via youtube have a poor analysis on the mother. I would say a majority of what the mother said was true.
Ingrid didn't not cause Claire to die. She was already on suicide watch. She just put the words to make sure if it's what she really wanted to do and to just do it if she does. Wouldn't you want o defend yourself if a man attacked you? so that' just a poor explanation.
misspinkoriginal 1 year ago
@misssexybabe338 Did you see how she studied Claire? She can read people. most comments said Ingrid is not intelligent and soicopath. I think she is intelligent, about 98% of what she said is true. But most people are not able to understand for many reasons. i didn't expect a lot of people to understand Ingrid. I do not think Ingrid is weak. I think Claire. The mother is right she could not learn anything from Claire. She couldnt even give a reason why she liked her work.
misspinkoriginal 1 year ago
@misssexybabe338 Ingrid may not be the best mother but she did help her daughter face the world. If she didn't kill her boyfriend and said the same things she said . People would look at her in a different light.
Ingrid is strong, she is strong mentally& meantality is strong
Didn't you notice the people said that before meeting her.
Just because she murdered someone doesn't mean she is tough.That is not what the other characters mean. She is strong because of what she saids and her mentality.
misspinkoriginal 1 year ago
i don't think claire's husband is emotional vampires. don't you think claire's a bit ridiculously needy?
tigerswell 1 year ago
My crystals name is Ingrid.... :)
alexahaller 1 year ago
This part of the movie was fked up.
jakejamieson33 1 year ago 2
Astrid's a Scorpio, just like me. :)
twiggcrayon 1 year ago
God, I hated how-in the book- Ron just expects astrid to look after clairelike a dog. It's like those ignorant teen moms who expect the baby to "love" them
RevelsInTheGeekness 1 year ago
Astrid's mother poisons everything she touches, and I mean that both literally and metaphorically.
WithAVoiceOfAnAngel3 1 year ago 21
@WithAVoiceOfAnAngel3 i think thats a main theme of the book. that the oleanders were just an extension of ingrids poison.
electrucindaair 2 months ago
@electrucindaair I have not read the book, but I am looking forward to receiving it for Christmas (Yay! ^^). In the movie, Ingrid is poisonous, but she only used the oleanders on Barry. I never thought they'd be used to represent Ingrid's poison in general, but maybe you have a point since the movie is called White Oleander.
WithAVoiceOfAnAngel3 2 months ago
astrids mom has some major controlling skills!
im so glad her hair is growing bak. i think she looks better with long hair its so pretty.
FMLdoodez 1 year ago 3
And I thought MY mother was insane.
Wow...
xHAPpyProductionsx 1 year ago 15
@xHAPpyProductionsx ha no kiddin
bsubassbaby2 1 year ago
i hate how claire is so impressionable and Astrid's mother is such a controlling bitch who needs attention.
HannahHeartStruck 1 year ago
stp at 00;06 its funny
TheFlubadubaDINGdong 1 year ago
claire isn't a bad person....she's just emotionally unstable
but ingrid is a narcissistic bitch ugh can't stand her :P
TheSassy2005 1 year ago 5
Is her mom mad? Because he mom does seems to be you know abit over her head lol, she needs more than prison she needs help. What ever she says Astrid does it and its unfair to her. Its a good movie.
GaRideOnUrDiscoStick 1 year ago
i hateee ingrids mommm holy S***
xoDarkAngel 1 year ago
Wow Ingrid totally killed Claire. I guess that makes her a serial killer now. lol
LittleAspasia 1 year ago 7
Ingrid's a sociopath. This book really affected me - I read it in one sitting and couldn't stop crying for hours. The film is really good too, although it misses out some of the good parts.
nimmie54 1 year ago 6
i think since astrid and ingrid was so used to each other then, that they only trust and understand each other, it was difficult for them to be a part. i think coz ingrid is miserable and astrid was initially miserable too, they got along well.but here, when astrid starts feeling loved, ingrid wants to manipulate her so that she wont be alone feeling miserable. its like "if i cant be happy, then you cant be also"
chris79solon 1 year ago 6
Ingrid has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. And seeing her take the one decent thing her daughter has ever had and destroy it makes me sick to my stomach. She's so manipulative that it makes my skin crawl.
juliabohemian 2 years ago 44
I think Ingrid attitude towards claire is actually beneficial, she's in prison and has little result in how her daughter matures. Everything she sais and all the lessons she has taught Astrid has helped prepare her for the real world. Which whether we choose to acknowledge it or not is quite a cruel cold slap of reality.
OhhhhCanada 2 years ago
aw claire is so nice and understanding...
mimi4786 2 years ago
Ugh, I take back what I said about Ingrid caring about Astrid more...she's so manipulative. I'm not surprised that she does this to Claire, but to AStrid, her own daughter? That's just cruel. She feels so superior in her hatred and narcissism, so above everyone else...I hate her.
Chocolateluvr1987 2 years ago 7
Igrid is also toxic and when I first saw this movie in the theater, I knew that she was going to some how murder Claire.
MiyahSummer 2 years ago 4
Ugh I can almost hear Ingrid's thoughts when she talked to Claire. "Can't you see what an idiot this woman is, Astrid? How could you perfer her to me?"
fosterfarmgal2008 2 years ago 5
Claire is not an idiot. She's a sensitive, nice person who is having some issues. Ingrid, on the other hand, is a complete narcissist.
Astrid prefers her because Claire is teh first person to show her some kindness in a long time.
Chocolateluvr1987 2 years ago 87
thats is totally true. those were actually quotes from the book white oleander......its way better then the movie
fosterfarmgal2008 2 years ago
I know what you mean now that I've read a bit more of the book. It is beautifully written and describes Astrid's relationship with her mother in greater depth, as well as Astrid's changing feelings when she's 12 and as she gets older. But, since this is a movie, they only had limited space, and you have to convey things visually because you can't get inside someone's head. All things considered, I think this was well done here, with the pale colours and the two remarkable lead actresses.
Chocolateluvr1987 2 years ago
@Chocolateluvr1987 Not only that, but she seems so sincere, gentle, and candid with Astrid and towards her husband. The prick had no Idea what kind of gem he had. I wish people were more like Clair in reality. No secrets or mysteries. No darkness or hidden manipulative motives. Just all loyalty, honesty, and openness because of genuine unconditional love and tenderness. Clair didn't stand a chance with Ingrid. That woman destroyed what little esteem Clair had left inside her for her pleasure.
jadedlovely818 1 year ago
@jadedlovely818 I disagree to some extent. Yes, Claire is lovely and she does mean well for Astrid, but essentially, she is also emotionally abusing her (more clearly in the book than in the film). Claire is deeply troubled (probably Borderline Personality Disorder) and believes she is dependent on others, that her husband's presence fills her, that then Astrid's presence can fill this hole. But no one single person can "fix" another person. It's too much responsibility for Astrid.
Chocolateluvr1987 1 year ago
dont get me wrong, i LOVE ingrid and admire her for her strength and independence but its like, just when astrid begins to feel loved by someone other than her mother (paul and claire) ingrid has to pounce.
it frustrates me!
but i guess i have to remember that she'd feel threatened and everything.
but it still frustrates me!
erinlovesyou102 2 years ago 9
you should read the book....its alot better
fosterfarmgal2008 2 years ago
yeah, i definately will. i totally get that the book would be better then the movie cause books are always better. :)
erinlovesyou102 2 years ago 2
What's there to love about Ingrid? She's not independent, she simply rebels against everything conventional and does the exact opposite - rather than thinking for herself. That's not independent; that's juvenile. And we can see here where it got her to. She's selfish, and incapable of taking care of her daughter.
Chocolateluvr1987 2 years ago 4
The astrology reference made my life. I'M big into astrology and I always wonder what the characters' signs are, haha. Ingrid's a psycho bitch. I can't stand her. She scares me.
orangeandpearls 2 years ago
Haha, me too :) BTW, Ingrid is an Aquarius :)
CordeliaL84 2 years ago
how do you know? cuz, I'm really curious about her sign
Manestreamz 2 years ago
From the novel :) I don't remember exactly, but I'm sure it was mentioned at least once in the book :)
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Hm, interesting :) thx
Manestreamz 2 years ago
No way!! That's what I am! Haha wow. I was thinking Aquarius or Leo.
orangeandpearls 2 years ago
@CordeliaL84 i thought ingrid had to be leo; moon in leo at least, and so afflicted. i was raised by predominately leo parents; my mom is quite similar to ingrid in terms of me me me, manipulation, not wanting you to have friends, not letting you have a say on anything, etc.... my father is likewise except he has a more tolerant affect because he has pisces ascendent.
723cielo 1 year ago
"Love humiliates you, hatred cradles you." This is a misrepresentation of a logical truth. Love consists of impassioned surrender and can be undignified, hatred and love are similar in this regard, both are impulses which triumph over reason. Indifferent and aloof strength 'cradles', by placing chaotic feelings in fetters. When such a person feels love, they manifest it with a god-like reserve. I imagine the mother paid dearly for this errant worldview.
xburningheavensx 2 years ago 5
The mother is so selfish. She commits murder without even thinking about the consequences for her daughter. Then the daugter has to go through horrible experiences while having to listen to that crap about them being perfect. Finally there is someone being nice to her and taking good care of her daughter and she becomes jealous and possesive. It is so obvious she is trying to take Rene's character down by pretending to be so interested.. She should have stayed out of her daughters life.
LalaLibre 2 years ago 4
Ingrid is like a lioness
UnsociableZombieFoxx 2 years ago 7
does he say "you promised if we get another kid"? astrid is the first i think.
sudz202 2 years ago
the mother is very beautiful!
ShawnRydth 2 years ago 2
I absolutely love Michelle Pfeiffer!
masonsons16 2 years ago 11
despite Astrids mother being to what other ppl say crazy and such in the book I found her to be quiet amazing the way her words sounded like a poem and how she was just captivated me
hagiwolfe 2 years ago 10
i guess that ost of what the mother says is correct, i am not saying all of it, but the part concerning men in general is correct and how a girl should behave is correct too. this is the conclusion i came too after a long period of time!
HauntedGril 2 years ago
astridnever wears a brah
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love love this movie im going to get the book tomorrow!!!
w00w0023 2 years ago
I wished they had kept Ingrid as a poet. I've recently finished the book, and I was blown away by Janet Fitch's writing. I wished they had kept everything from the book. I pictured Claire just as she was described, Aubrey Hepburn like. I do have to say though, both Michelle and Allison was beautifully cast.
purebloodjiselle 2 years ago 5
Both Claire's husband and Astrid's mother are emotional vampires. People like that can be labeled with a term. The trick is to "see" them. That's the silver.
sonice2behere 2 years ago 75
is the suicidal foster mom play angie in sharktale with will smith??
superrrbadchickadee 2 years ago
Ya thats her
jbean0 2 years ago
GAHHHH! I saw Claire's potential! It shouldn't have been like that! D:
wolfmetal911 2 years ago 2
her mom is freaking crazy. i can't even handle it!
hollisterky 2 years ago 2
her mom is such a crazy bitch
imflyinn 2 years ago 8
Book is os much better. They r missing (in the movie) the part when Astrid lives with Marvel,they r missing a lot of impt parts. Maybe if i didnt read the book first i'd like the movie better
GipsyQueen1234 2 years ago 4
I agree the book is amazing! I as well saw the movie before I read the book and though it is a shame the movie didn't include her stay with marvel or amelia and the girls it left me with picturing it in my head and I enjoyed that :]
asuviyanon 2 years ago 2
And the sad thing is, many mothers are like Ingrid.
VersyPies 2 years ago 6
mine included..just, not the murderer part :)
lizvandort666 2 years ago
the movie gives the book no justice!
abijp48 2 years ago
yes!!! sucks!!! left out sooo muchhhh...u have to read the book if u like this movie
ITS WAY BETTER!
YesRAVENette 2 years ago 2
the book is ALWAYS better.
dannybeat 2 years ago 2
OMG OMG OMG I C BREAKFAST . ROFL
zezo104ever 2 years ago
Michelle Pfeiffer is such a bitch in it.Love it!
mensahcarrelle 2 years ago
I couldn't believe what a callous, cruel bitch was to Claire. It was like beating a person who's already crippled. Evil bitch.
Dingalingring 2 years ago 5
I wish they would have shown that Claire had an eating disorder. It's been a long time since I read the book, but reading the description of Astrid finding Claire make herself throw up portrayed how low she had sunken, her shattered self-esteem, and her frustration with anything subpar. Like the way the bathroom was set up when Astrid arrived, perfection was required for everything for Claire. If it wasn't perfect, it wasn't enough.
BipolarSarah 2 years ago 6
who ever did the casting has done a good job.
Lucynnyu 2 years ago 4
How could Claire kill herself with Astrid in the bed. She knew that se would wake up next to a dead person... that is so cruel
KatyKilljoy 2 years ago 5
Fuck you for ruining that shit for me!
gear2345 2 years ago
Im not the only one who posted stuff found in this video before it was over...Try not reading the comments till you watch it idiot
KatyKilljoy 2 years ago
Wow you are definitely a stuck up bitch. Your comment was right on top of the page visible while i was watching the movie.
Try knowing the whole story before making shithead accusations YOU idiot.
gear2345 2 years ago
She took the pills before Astrid came to the room... thats why she was "so cold".
loriann1237 2 years ago
I personally think Astrid's mother is right throughout most of this movie, in what she says and does.
gostayjumpclimb 2 years ago 2
GOD, this movie left *SO MUCH* out!
rattielover87 2 years ago 8
I hate her mom. She is a pathetic excuse for a mother.
Tracy3686 2 years ago 60
Ahh, God bless sociopathic mothers, huh?
spagerbot 2 years ago 7
astrids mother is beautifull
SASHAxBREE 2 years ago 5
i can really relate to astrid with the mum situation bless her
Cwasserstrom 2 years ago 8
So MP exacerbated RW's insecurities about her husband to begin driving wedges... and underneath that are abandonment and jealousy issues...
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omg i hate the name astrid, its like asteroid!!
katherineA92 2 years ago
I truly do not like her mothers ways but something about her tell me that there is more that troubles her she must have grown up in an very tough environment bc. no child just becomes insane like she is
mlalchan 2 years ago 3
Astrid is the only good thing in Claires life how can Mark and Astrids mom take that away from her
gabriella1994swe 2 years ago 7
I'm totally against it, but I wish Astrid's mom would have gotten the death penalty.
Kjs88musiclover 2 years ago 3
omg.
how huge of a bitch is her mum being?
stressball37 2 years ago 6
how rude, the moms so wierd
20LaurenLee 2 years ago 2
the mom is just jealous as hell...
justagirl5800 2 years ago 4
claire is one depressed person and astrid is the only good thing in her life......
Playerpretend6 2 years ago 3
I don´t like Claire, beacuase she makes me sad
feelerr 2 years ago
Astrids mothers smile is so malicious lol and when she looks at Claire its like a total: Bitch Please.
Lol, i really wanna know what claire and astrids mom say to eachother when they are alone
2mchhb 2 years ago 4
Oh Clare...so nice and sweet but so broken...
CaptainOats74 2 years ago 10
The book was wonderful and the movie brings it to life perfectly with a talented, colorful cast!
JaYnEsAyZ 2 years ago 7
poor astrid. claire is so nice, but her mother doesn't see that. she only sees something to destroy. such great characters in this movie! great job!
remyuncw 2 years ago 20
wow her mom's mean!
"you leave her alone"
"but it's such fun."
victoriasecretgirl14 2 years ago 8
...and zOmfgits reminds me of my ex's asshole.
JokersSerious 2 years ago