@ElijahSGrimes Lol at saying no one in TNA draws money. Do you think this is the 1980s or something where Flair and Hogan were clear cut draws? No one person can draw money today. If a company makes money, it depends on the company's ability to draw. People in TNA draw but they don't draw to a large scale because the company is on a small scale. People are invested into an entire product not just a few individuals so what you said is wrong on so many scales.
@kob456 They are on cable, same as WWE. If they had a product that DREW people in, people would watch it. The company would grow. Plain and simple. I like TNA. The excuses MUST STOP. Write a better show, develop better characters. They have the talent. Just produce a show people CAN'T HELP but WATCH.
@ElijahSGrimes Your original comment was that guys in WWE draw and TNA guys don't You're wrong. Companies draw not the talent. As 4 TNA, about 2 million in the US watch Impact a week. Impact is also shown in over 120 countries and is huge across the globe. Just bcuz there ratings aren't the same as a show that's been airing on primetime cable for 20 years like RAW doesn't mean the company isn't growing. U need to learn your facts and stop getting perception mixed up with it.
@kob456 You really should take your own advice. You must love TNA. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. Matches with no psychology, no story telling, just high spots. No characters worth following. 2012 WCW is all that place is. It wasn't before Hogan/Bisch got involved, it had promise. They have to seriously overhaul the product. I'm sure you have an argument because you can't see the forest for the trees.
@ElijahSGrimes I love how u keep jumping from 1 issue to another. Just admit you're a TNA hater so I can know where u stand bcuz with each comment u make all u do is come off as this ignorant hater. Lol at TNA has no characters. Bully Ray, Roode, Austin Aries, Storm, EY, & the Pope aren't characters? Oh yeah, Kurt Angle who is in TNA has no ring psychology. Doug Williams a mat wrestler does nothing but highspots right? Please make another stupid reply and dig an even deeper hole.
@kob456 You just named a bunch of wrestlers, excluding Angle, who do not draw. That was my original argument. Money is money and an average of 1.2 in the ratings speaks for itself. I invite you to look at TNA ratings on the internet and compare them with Raw. PLEASE. Also, learn to use full words rather than abbreviations if you wish to be taken seriously. Sum 1 might think yer stupid. Like I do.
@ElijahSGrimes Y r u excluding Angle? Is it bcuz he's from WWE? Does that make him a draw? Isn't Angle on the TNA shows that draw a 1.2? U don't even have the sense 2 grasp that TNA doesn't draw as much as WWE because they don't have the exposure or the name value that WWE has. Ur entire argument is dumb. I'm glad u brought up ratings bcuz TNA continues to either remain consistent or increase viewers meanwhile WWE on the otherhand has lost over a million and a half viewers in 2yrs
This all goes back to the point that you have a promotion run by one of wrestling's good 'ol boys (Jeff Jarrett), who grew up in a business of drugs, 'roids, and partying, so they are no moral standards. Also, are you expecting better booking from Vince Russo, of all people? He booked himself as WCW Champ and killed whatever dignity that belt had left after David Arquette was through with it. Get rid of Carter, Bitchoff, Jarrett & Russo and get Heyman and bring back Cornette.
@MissDeeCole Alvarez isn't particularly insightful because he's not a historian of the industry, but his book "Death of WCW" was quite well researched. WCW went out of business for a reason, and their drawing power at the Georgia Dome demonstrates this clearly. No, Bischoff and Russo are hacks.
@jlove150 dude i'm begging you to get some fiber in your diet..your so irritable. if you don't like the product, fine don't watch it.. i am a fan, and i like it, and that's all there is to it..
@jlove150 ok obviously your not real smart about the business. don't you understand that having abyss as the x division champion, it's getting attention put back on the title, and the division itself? also don't you understand that they will go out and bring in guys to be apart of the ppv? do you not understand that guys like joe and aj's current feuds will end at slammiversary?? am i getting through to you at all?
@TheJdc34life The idea that TNA has talent even close to the WWE's level is ridiculous on its face. The vast majority of their roster consists of guys who couldn't hack it in the WWE midcard and spot monkeys.
@fnpmplf oh yeah because we all know that guys like santino marella & the miz are ground breaking pro wrestlers...please son stick to what you know.....and try not to spread lies
@TheJdc34life To avoid strawman arguments like you're giving, name the top 10 TNA guys v. the top 10 WWE guys. John Cena alone is worth more to the WWE than TNA combined. But good luck promoting TNA with TNA's 8,000 buys.
@fnpmplf i don't have to prove anything to you. to me tna has the more world caliber athletes..i would put up any x division match against anything cena does..any schmuck with 5 moves can be the top dog, as along as the wwe machine is behind him..
@TheJdc34life Well, at least you don't try and pretend TNA matters, unlike the rest of their 10,000 fans worldwide. I must say that I can't remember a WWE PPV main event ever being as bad as TNA's Sting v. Jeff Hardy. At least WWE main eventers know psychology and working a crowd rather than pretending wrestling is some ball-arena contest.
@fnpmplf tna does matter. do i think they are an immediate threat to wwe, no i don't..do i believe that wwe doesn't notice them and want some of their talent, no again. tna has what it takes to be a top company, they just need the right leadership to get them there. they are not that bad of a company. wwe doesn't do everything right, you can't deny that.
@TheJdc34life I'm hardly a WWE apologist and know that the company has continually time itself in the foot time and again, but the WWE is still controlled and organized by people who are infinitely more competent in both business operations and the wrestling. TNA has a lot of good indy workers, but that's all most of them are and ever will be. Good indy wrestlers tend not to translate that well to a national audience, which is the audience that really matters.
@TheJdc34life I would like to add that TNA is irrelevant. They get around 1.5 million viewers per week yet somehow can only get at most 10,000 of them to buy that PPV. That means that their hit rate is around 1/150. Think about that. That's pathetic in every conceivable way. Even WCW at its worst wasn't that bad.
@fnpmplf your the one that brought tna up man..i don't care about number, big deal. fact is your just a sheep who goes along with everybody else, because wwe claims to be the only game in town..wwe killed the territory system, they killed their competition they are not the best thing for the business..tna gives me things wwe can't, because they don't have it in them..so that's all i have to say about that.
@TheJdc34life You're the guy who likes TNA, and you call me "sheep"; I mean, you're the guy who likes a promotion that rivals WCW in asininity, and you call me "sheep"? LOL. Okay. Let me give you a lesson. The territorial system killed itself, and none of the promoters had the foresight that Vince had in creating non-wrestling revenue streams and through dumb booking. (Think about WCCW, one of the better territories out there.) But it's nice to see WCW still has fans.
@TheJdc34life I would like to add one other thing, namely that as bad as Vince can be, at least there is wrestling on the national stage. (TNA indirectly benefited from Vince's Attitude Era.) Had Ole Anderson, Jim Crockett, Bill Watts, or Eric Bischoff succeeded, I doubt there would be much of an audience for wrestling today, and wrestling would have gone in the dustbin just like roller derby did. Go read some Wrestling Observer issues and educate yourself, please.
@fnpmplf oh i'm well educated on the business. and i know for a fact that a business cannot survive without competition..that's what your failing to realize. you better thank God, there is a TNA and an ROH, and other companies out there. If Vince McMahon was the only game in town, it would become stale and nobody would watch it, and it would eventually die.
@TheJdc34life Competition is good, but I'm going to write a book on the economic history of pro-wrestling. One point I will make is that the nature of the business in the long-term is that there is only room for one promotion. The economics of the Monday Night War leaves much to be explained. But the wrestling business, contrary to what people like Bischoff think, is not oligopolic. TNA does nothing for the business, but ROH is more valuable since it's different. TNA is not.
@TheJdc34life Anyway, if there is no competition, partly blame Vince Russo for the garbage that was the Attitude Era. In the long-term, Russo's booking of WWF and WCW has caused TV companies to not want anything to do with wrestling despite the ratings that they draw because advertisers didn't want to touch the product.
@fnpmplf well let's see vince hired russo, he ok'd everything he did so you can't blame russo for that point. russo was given free will in wcw, so yeah it could be his fault there. but some say mcmahon sent russo down to wcw to kill it.
@TheJdc34life If you knew anything about wrestling history and the industry, you would know of the absurdity of that conspiracy theory. No, Russo sucked and that is why WCW sucked, just like TNA sucks now. Vince hired Russo, but Russo worked with Bruce Pritchard, Jim Cornette, and Jim Ross. He was part of a committee and was influential with the garbage of the late 90s. But Russo thinks it was Venis and the Godfather who drew, not the awesome main event scene.
@fnpmplf i know about the history, if you read my comment closer you would have noticed that it was a rumor..if you want to be this little wwe fan boy, then be my guest. your blinded by sports entertainment, so pro wrestling in fact makes you sick..so there ya go.
@TheJdc34life I read your comment properly the first time around. That you would even bring it up says a lot. When you casually discuss the U.S. and the Soviets vis-a-vis space exploration, would you bring up the Moon conspiracy without a smirk? "Sports entertainment" is used to make to convince advertisers that its product isn't pro-wrestling, which has a bad stigma. Did it work? Maybe. Cena and Fruity Pebbles penned a huge deal. But how is TNA any different from WWE?
@fnpmplf tna has real professional wrestlers. guys who actually get in the ring and work. wwe has a select few, and they always seem to push the ones who are either a gimmick or limited in wrestling ability.
@TheJdc34life Like I asked you earlier, who are those "real professional wrestlers"? Daniel Bryan can work circles around every single person in that company, as can C. M. Punk. Are you talking about Sting, some guy who is bordering on 50? Rob Van Dam, a guy who is a few years past his prime? Ken Anderson, who couldn't hack it in the WWE? Abyss? I saw Christopher Daniels work live, and he didn't grasp psychology that well. Guys in TNA don't know how to "work".
@fnpmplf Every real wrestling fan knows that TNA has the strongest roster in professional wrestling. Daniel Bryan is no better than Austin Aries. You're probably dumb enough to really buy into the marketing ploy that Punk is the "best in the world". Punk is average at best. Plus look how many FCW scrubs are on the roster that are green as grass and u want to talk about guys in TNA not knowing how to work? 90% of the divas in WWE can't even do a wristlock. You're a damn joke!!
@kob456 true verry true especially the FCW thing also they keep the true pros in Florida forever and sometimes never make it to the main roster or are a joke on it
@kob456 90 pecent of the divas can't do a wristlock? more like 98%. Other than Kharma(who's out)\ because of he pregnancy), Natalya and Beth, none of the other divas are worth wathcing.
@kob456 A good roster does not mean shit when the booking is awful. I don't like either WWE or TNA right now because of the god awful booking in both promotions. WCW had a great roster in 2000, but that doesn't change the fact that the booking SUCKED.
@SadisticScott TNA's booking can use improvements but it's not as awful. They've been more consistent. The shows they did in London was booked very well. The problem is that when TNA is in the Imp Zone which is where they r 85% of the time, it takes away from the action and makes things come off terrible. WCW was facing the same issue when they taped in a studio until they went live on Mondays. WWE on the otherhand isn't consistent with their booking except with the world titles
@SadisticScott Couldn't agree with you more. The best thing TNA do at the moment is produce good matches ON PAPER, but in reality they are the shits because everything surrounding those matches from an entertainment POV are the shits. They went with the chickenshit route with Roode as Champion, which was totally against character. The hottest commodity in TNA right now is Bully Ray but he's jobbing out to the likes of an injured Storm and also Hardy in matches made for Bully Ray
@SadisticScott They've got nothing at all fueling the KO Championship match at AAO because nobody earned the right to the no1 contender match in the first place. They've had a very brief tournament for the tag team title shot but nothing is fueling that to any degree of excitement. The fatal 4 way promises to be overbooked, what with Sting ringside as enforcer. Aries and Shelley promises to be a good match but nothing else. Shelley came in, trash talked Aries, Bam has a title shot
@IDIOTdella WTF r u talking about? If u watched Impact, you'd know that Tara earned her contendership against Gail by winning a 3 way match. Joe/Magnus who r getting over by the week continue to build a solid program with Crimson/Morgan. AJ/Kaz is developing into a good story. How is Roode going against character? He's a man willing to do anything to be champ.There's plenty of good going on. I doubt u even watch the product because you clearly don't know what the hell you're talking
@kob456 - 1) I do watch Impact 2) The match Tara won was a No1 Contender's match. Since these matches have no value whatsoever anymore, I'm not surprised you thought it was just another match. Who'd earned the right to be in such a match? None of them had. Where was the build up to the No1 Contender's match? There wasn't any. What's the storyline behind this match-up between Tara and Gail? There isn't any.
@kob456 - Joe/Magnus vs Crimson/Morgan - Who are the heels and who are the faces? You don't know do you, and that's because all it is between the two teams is that Joe and Magnus want the tag belts and Crimson and Morgan are the ones they need to beat for them. There is nothing else, not even a definitive heel/face team. Also, 4 Matches is not a tournament. A tournament would be the BFG series of last year that took about 6 months of countless matches to complete
@IDIOTdella Yes I do know. Crimson/Morgan=faces. Joe/Magnus=heels. But because fans in attendance at the shows, have free will, they cheer for the heels Joe/Magnus and boo the faces in Crimson/Morgan. it's not that hard to comprehend.
@kob456 Oh really, and just what have Magnus and Joe done for them to be considered the heels in tis tag team division? As far as I can determine all they did was enter a four match tournament, won it, which gave them the chance to go up against Crimson and Morgan. And what exactly have Crimson and Morgan done to determine they were the faces? The answer is easy, neither have done anything.
@IDIOTdella Uhh Crimson and Morgan were both faces before joining as a tag team. That's what makes them faces. Joe n Magnus after every matchup involving Crimson, Morgan, or both would sneak attack them and then ran when Crimson and Morgan got offense. That's what made them heels. It's that basic. There's no rocket science to this.
@kob456 ...Uh, Crimson has been a face true (an annoying one at that) but Morgan has been a face and a heel before this tag team. Joe and Magnus have both been faces and heels before this tag team, so their pasts don't actually endorse anything which is why there should have been something to let the viewer know what exactly they were whether they were face or heel, but, as said, neither have done anything to determine that whatsoever.
@kob456 - If memory serves both have had post match brawls. All that's happened is a tit-for-tat. For instance, British Invasion were a classic heel tag team. They'd interfere in matches, they'd distract the ref and produce a briefcase and whack their opponents with it, they'd deliberately hit the ref to get DQ'd and so on and so on. Neither Crimson/Morgan or Magnus/Joe have done anything even approaching something like that.
@IDIOTdella I just told u that after every match Crimson/Morgan had, Joe n Magnus would come down after the match and beat down Crimson/Morgan. U said u watched, TNA. Have u not seen that happen b4? How does a scenario like that not establish them as heels in a feud? With Joe/Magnus now being the tag champs and being such crowd favorites, they look to possibly be turning face. I know u want more entertainment but I just plainly dont know the entertainment u want. Go more in-depth.
@kob456 The Entertainment I would like to see is respect shown for the belts, such as showing how difficult it is to obtain, which in turn would compliment the wrestler holding that belt, even a heel, because if a heel has to go up against a great face, he would have to be creative in his cheating to beat him. I would like Roode to say something like "Bring them on and I will beat each and every one of them because I am that good" - that he's not afraid to put the belt on the line.
@IDIOTdella If u watch TNA, you'll see weekly that Sting lines up opponents to face Roode bcuz he's tired of seeing Roode cheat or weasel his way out of matches n still hold onto the title.The problem is u want him to be something he's not. There's an entire storytelling element that's either going over ur head or that u don't appreciate. Roode's character isn't a fighting champion. The quicker u accept that, the more u can appreciate it. He's a man going by any means to remain champ
@kob456 - That's my point entirely, I know he isn't a fighting Champ, and that's what's out of character for me, because the Heel character we had in the past was a nasty piece of work who was unafraid to show what he could do in the ring because he was confident in his ability as a wrestler and as someone who could win the belt by any means when necessary.
@IDIOTdella Dude he's a HEEL. No heel wants strong face opposition. There's no exception 4 Roode. Roode has protagonists looking to topple him. His former friend AJ wanted to beat sense into him. Hardy wants the title to put his demons to rest. Bully Ray wants 2 solidify himself in his own right. Storm is out for his blood. Plus Roode has a GM in Sting constantly throwing obstacles in his way. Roode w/ all those hurdles still poses as a legitimate threat yet still maintains his belt.
@kob456 - They've completely ignored his previous belief that he could retain the title with his in-ring expertise and it's an important omission, because it's what separated him from a fighting heel and a chickenshit one.
@IDIOTdella After BFG, when Angle cheated, Roode made it clear that using skill and doing things the right way doesn't pay. Since then he started cheating. With that said, he's continued to outsmart all his competitors and remain champ using in-ring expertise of win by any means similar to Flair. Go back and look at Flair during the height of the Horsemen days. Flair became the dirtiest player by using any tactic to keep the belt like any true heel would. That's how heels build heat.
@kob456 - There have been plenty of heels who've gone in the ring, put the belt on the line and proven they can wrestle as well as be the heel during a match. That;s the kind of entertainment I want o see. I also want strong storylines that build a wrestler into a heel or a face, not one beating means he's a heel or one nice gesture mean he's the face.
@kob456 - Basically Roode's character has gone from a conniving, sneaky, despicable, imaginative, intelligent snake in the grass, which I was looking forward to seeing again, to a coward who's afraid his own shadow might take the belt from him - and all that without any explanation. This is NOT entertainment to me, this is a lazy arse creative team who cannot be bothered to do what they're being paid to do, and that's be creative.
@IDIOTdella There has been plenty of explanation for Roode's behavior. The problem is either 1)you've missed episodes of TNA 2)You haven't been paying full attention 3)You watch on and off. To not like the way he's being booked is one thing but to say his character has no explanation makes no sense. Most fans who watch the product will tell u Roode's character is fine and makes sense.
@kob456 -You're right this could go on forever because there's a lot in your replies that I strongly disagree with, especially concerning Triple H and who they're supposedly modelling Roode's character on, but because I will just be re-iterating most of the points I've already made - no problem I agree to disagree.
@kob456 - I will say this, I really liked how they ended this week's Impact and that it is a turning point for the Roode character, that we get the nasty fighting heel Champion he should be.
@IDIOTdella If u ask me, Roode always comes out looking smart, evil & ruthless. He's held for 4 months. He cheats while getting actual victories. He gets heat. He expressed verbally that he's out to retain the belt and showed us literally he'll do whatever. Yes, he's an evil-conniving bastard out for self, not willing to face strong protagonists. Those r traits of a classic villain. I like it. If u want to see a bad rendition of a "chickenshit" champ, watch Daniel Bryan in WWE
@kob456 - That's it, that's all I'm going to say about it. I've gone as in depth as I can, and if you don't understand what it is I'm trying to say, what I would like to see on the entertainment side of the product, then you never will. Not my problem.
@kob456 - I'm not asking for rocket science to be applied and I'm not trying to apply rocket science to this whole thing, what I'm saying is that there should be, and needs to be, a whole lot more to the entertainment side of the product than people just going in ring and trash talking to insure they get a title shot. It's bollocks.
@kob456 - AJ/Kazarian is just an extension of a countless regurgitated AJ/Daniels feud storyline. It's a good twist, but why has Kazarian turned against AJ? Why does Daniels have such a hold over Kazarian? Will we ever know? Does Creative even know? Roode may be doing all he can to keep a hold of the belt, but he only gets in the ring when he's forced to by Sting, that's not a fighting heel Champion wanting to keep a hold of the belt by cheating in the ring, it's a chickenshit Champion.
@IDIOTdella Lol at thinking a heel needs to be a fighting champion and willing competitor. Newsflash, heels want to hold onto the belt for as long as possible and want to do as little work as possible. Maybe you're new to wrestling but that is the age old story. Welcome to prowrestling101.
@kob456 I'm not new to wrestling at all. You're talking out of your arse if you think you've just given me a pro wrestling 101 lesson. If you knew Bobby Roode's original heel you would know that this chickenshit Champion he's portraying now is totally against character. He was always a fighting Champion whether he was a heel or a face with Beer Money. Not hard to comprehend at all, but you don;t seem to be able to grasp it at all.
@IDIOTdella U r new to wrestling n you're obviously new to TNA as well. I want you to go back to TNA in 2006-2008 when Roode was a single's competitor b4 being in Beer Money. He portrayed a cowardly cheat to win heel back then as well. It's part of his makeup. Even James Storm in a kayfabe TNA interview on youtube said that Bobby Roode has always had a sadistic determined side to him but didn't expect Bobby to betray him like that. So you're wrong on that.
@kob456 - Agian, not new to TNA. Uh, you have no concept of what cowardly means. A coward is not someone who cheats to keep the belt, a coward is someone who has to be forced into defending the belt, which is what Roode's character is doing today. Roode's character back in 2006-2008 couldn't wait to get in the ring to prove what a great wrestler he was and deserving of all the accolades available at TNA and then cheated whenever he was thought he couldn't win the match on wrestling alone
@IDIOTdella Uh when Robert Roode was a singles midcard heel act, he was basically the same character that he portrays now. In fact, he was probably even more cowardly back then because when he used to get his ass kicked, he'd run outside the ring and literally hide behind his female manager and use them as a shield. Creative did not forget it which is y they let Storm remind the viewers that Roode has always had this selfish-do what it takes attitude.
@kob456 - Yes, he was selfish, yes he cheated during matches, but, and this is what defines him from being a chickenshit heel champion to a fighting heel, but the difference from back then to what he is now is that he has to be forced into matches now, that makes him a chickenshit Champion, unless I'm not using the right word to describe his type of champion right now.
@IDIOTdella Yes Roode was a typical heel. Very rare does a heel champion want to be a fighting champion. Just about every heel is a coward. What he was doing back then was no different than now. During his feud with Booker T, Roode was doing everything not to be in the same ring as him. Ur entire argument makes no sense. The reason he turned heel was that he wants to hold onto the belt as long as possible. That means not having to defend it as much and cheating to win. IT MAKES SENSE
@kob456 - Also, a kayfabe interview is whatever Creative puts in that wrestler's mouth to say, so it's not exactly an endorsement of you being right by saying "even Storm said blah blah blah". Creative will conveniently forget a character's past because it doesn't fit with the storyline they're trying to work at that time, and they'll get a wrestler to endorse that part of a character. Indeed, Roode was so cowardly in the past that Storm described him as sadistic and determined. Duh!
@kob456 - I notice you fail to mention the utter shit such as the Garrett/Gunner and Bischoff/Bischoff storylines. You also fail to mention that Shelley comes back, trash talks Aries and Bam! he has a title shot. You also fail to mention how they build Bully Ray into a no-nonsense motherfucker only to have him job out to Hardy, Sting and an injured Storm in matches that were made for the character, just because they're too busy pushing Hardy and a Roode/Storm feud.
@IDIOTdella Uh no you're wrong. This is why u need to pay attention. When Aries said he needed competition which brought out Shelley, Aries told him that he had to earn his shot and couldn't just come from no where and get a title shot. After that, Aries picked for Shelley to face Zema and if he beat Zema, he would be #1 contender. U don't even pay attention to what's going on yet u want to chime in like u know it all. Again if you're going to speak ill of something, have facts.
@kob456 - Once again you fail to understnad what I'm talking about. My point had nothing to do with how the scenario came about, it's the scenario itself. Creative are too fucking lazy to give any of the title shots any kind of depth to them. It's piss easy to write a scenario that says the champ is bored and is looking for competition, then have a newly returning wrestler pop up and take him up on his offer. Like I said, Shelley arrivges, trash talks and has a title shot. It's bullshit.
@IDIOTdella Tell me how u give depth? It's prowrestling and u seem to be doing so much science in it. Prowrestling is about 1 guy not liking another and wanting to fight. It's that easy. It's that simple of a story and those r the best stories. Aries said he didn't have competition. Shelley came out and challenged him. Aries said Shelley needed to prove himself. Shelley was put in a match to earn that shot and won. He faced Aries. What more do u want to that? Should it b convoluted?
@kob456 - You may be talking about pro-wrestling, but I'm talking about pro-wrestling ENTERTAINMENT and that is so much more than just two guys getting in the ring and kayfabe beating the shit out of each other. Just because that's all you want to see does not mean it's what pro-wrestling entertainment is all about. In fact if you just want to watch two blokes in a ring beating the living shit out of each other, why don't you watch UFC, and/or MMA? tbc...
@IDIOTdella So what do u want. U want to see the guys do magic tricks with their fingers like how Taker can point and cause lightning. Just because it's entertainment, doesn't mean it has to be so complicated and needs to be some huge spectacle. The simplest things can be entertaining too. What do u want a 5 month tournament for every single number 1 championship contendership match. I enjoy the entertainment and the characters, but I don't need complicated stories like how u want
@kob456 - I have to say that it really pisses me off when someone becomes so fucking obtuse, just to make the person they're replying to seem like a dick, which is what you're trying do with me with this paragraph. I don't mind you disagreeing with me but don't fucking paint me as an idiot, because I know I'm far from being an idiot.
@kob456 I'm not wanting huge spectacles from characters, I'm simply wanting them to behave in-character, which Bobby Roode's character is not behaving in-character and for the reason I've posted. Having said that this has nothing to do with being gifted title shots. Going beyond trash talking someone and having one match for a title shot does not make something complicated. The BFG series last year was not complicated at all and yet it was the best thing TNA did that year.
@IDIOTdella So what you're saying is that every single title shot for a title has to go through a tournament or some type of bracket. You seem to want wrestling to be real or to be resemble a legit sport. The things you want don't fit a realistic standard. So u would prefer for Austin Aries to not defend his X-div title and wait for 5 months for Alex Shelley to win a tournament before defending his title against him? Do you realize how fans would grow impatient with that.
@kob456 No, what I'm saying is that it should be more than just a "You're trash, good that's got me a title shot". You can have matches in feuds that don't include the belt, but it seems every time someone talks trash to someone else they get a title shot. We can see someone like Aries in action without the belt being on the line, build the feud with promos and matches, so that when the title is on the line there's a reason for it to be on the line, something more than just trash talk
@kob456 The BFG series was just an example, not what I expect with every title defense. As said, previously title defenses should be more than just trash talk and it doesn't have to go over months and months. Having said that, by all means have a one off title shot with just trash taking being the fuel for it, but not all of them. For instance, I liked Madison gaining a title shot by sitting on the sidelines waiting for the last KO to be in the ring, then dumping her outside for the win
@kob456 - And the reason I liked that is because it was in-character for Madison to do that. I haven't liked the fact that Kim returns and is gifted the Tag and Championship belts. What I also haven't liked is that Kim's first two matches showed she didn't need help, but the moment she got the titles they dumbed her down so that it looked like she would need help, just to push the storyline of her and Madison.
@kob456 - In TNA you've got two chickenshit Champions, Roode and Kim, one joke of a Champion, Robbie E, and a great heel champion, Austin Aries. Fighting heel champions are not rare. There have been countless ones throughout the business, SCSA,Triple H, Sting, Diesel, Razor Ramon, Shawn Michaels, Macho Man, Bret Hart, Flair, Tully Blanchard, Ole and Arn Anderson, Curt Hennig, and so on and so on.
@IDIOTdella 1st off Sting was never a heel world champ. 2nd, HHH was the biggest coward heel going any length to retain. HHH ran from fights and couldn't score a clean victory in his early world title reigns. 3rd, Kim is not a coward champ. She's willing to defend her belt. She may get help from time 2 time but even now her character doesn't want interference so bad example. Roode is being modeled after the very same classic heels you named like Flair and HHH so bad examples all over
@kob456 ...And the reason it was the best thing TNA did that year was because it showed a huge amount of respect for the belt, how difficult it was to obtain it - unlike what they're doing now.
@kob456 ... (cont'd) and yet if you are watching UFC and MMA, then why you're watching wrestling entertainment where everything is scripted and choreographed like a movie, and not wrestling without entertainment attached to it, is beyond me.
@SadisticScott So all in all, there's nothing motivating these matches to any degree of excitement at all - which is why, for me, TNA. is as boring as shit at the moment because there's nothing there for me to really enjoy. It's just a whole bunch of laziness on the part of Creative/Booking, and a couple of matches that ON THE DAY might be good but nothing memorable
@SadisticScott - Sorry, for the splurge, but lastly, if all I wanted to watch was quality wrestling then I'd watch wrestling that doesn't have Entertainment attached to it, but I don't because I want the storylines, the characters, the credible angles and so on, but the WWE or TNA neither seem to have a creative bone in their body to be able to supply that to me.
@fnpmplf um let's see they have bobby roode, james storm, samoa joe, doug williams, christopher daniels, aj styles, kazarian, austin aries, kid kash, abyss....wow um those aren't wwe products so argue that point.
@TheJdc34life Your pretension and stupidity kill me. I mean, how is TNA not just some WWE-lite promotion with horrible Russo booking? You make TNA sound like it's North America's answer to Puroresu. LOL! I'm not so much defending the WWE product as much as I'm defending Vince's business sense and that he is and has always been a cunning visionary who could see the wrestling business as being greater than just the wrestling business. That's why Crockett went under and he didn't.
2 points: 1. Jeff's heel turn aside, that's what TNA gets for putting their top belt on a drug addict. 2. They have all the right ingredients to put on a show to challenge WWE but nobody in charge has the right recipe to put it all together.
i know there are some requests for heroes of wrestling (which i also want to hear btw) but could you upload the whole victory road 2011 reaction and hardcore justice 2010 reactions?
@TheJdc34life lol! everyone in the industry reads the wrestling observer. guys like Austin, the Rock, Mick Foley, Bret Hart, Bruno Sammartino, and UFC prez Dana White confide in Meltzer both on & off the record. sport's illustrated senior editor Frank Deford calls Dave one of the best journalists in the country. lol@ TNA marks.
@Rimbaud1531 Vince McMahon confided in Meltzer in 2001 after the buyout and did opposite of what Meltzer advised. Meltzer also warned Bischoff back in 1998, when business was still good, to start pushing a different set of talent or there won't be any future. Bischoff replied that he would and is working on it, and that it won't be Chris Jericho because his 10-year-old cousin could kick Jericho's ass in a real fight. Guess who is the big star, and guess who is running TNA?
@daystilljersey Come on! He writes at a 5th grade level. So calling him a great journalist is a stretch.
I will give you he's the best wrestling journalist...but that like being the most disease free hooker. It may be true, but it's not something I would brag about.
@TheJdc34life Even though 90 percent of the accurate news comes from Meltzer that you read, he makes 6 figures a year, and f4online is the most popular wrestling/mma site on the internet, but yeah, he's not credible at all.
His opinion is worthless, he is nothing but a fan, or at least is meant to be.
Those of you who base your views on what he says, need to get a grip.
Kozzy06 1 week ago
Does TNA have a better roster? Yes. Barely any of them can draw you a picture let alone MONEY which is WHAT this business is about!
ElijahSGrimes 1 month ago
@ElijahSGrimes Lol at saying no one in TNA draws money. Do you think this is the 1980s or something where Flair and Hogan were clear cut draws? No one person can draw money today. If a company makes money, it depends on the company's ability to draw. People in TNA draw but they don't draw to a large scale because the company is on a small scale. People are invested into an entire product not just a few individuals so what you said is wrong on so many scales.
kob456 2 weeks ago
@kob456 They are on cable, same as WWE. If they had a product that DREW people in, people would watch it. The company would grow. Plain and simple. I like TNA. The excuses MUST STOP. Write a better show, develop better characters. They have the talent. Just produce a show people CAN'T HELP but WATCH.
ElijahSGrimes 2 weeks ago
@ElijahSGrimes Your original comment was that guys in WWE draw and TNA guys don't You're wrong. Companies draw not the talent. As 4 TNA, about 2 million in the US watch Impact a week. Impact is also shown in over 120 countries and is huge across the globe. Just bcuz there ratings aren't the same as a show that's been airing on primetime cable for 20 years like RAW doesn't mean the company isn't growing. U need to learn your facts and stop getting perception mixed up with it.
kob456 1 week ago
@kob456 You really should take your own advice. You must love TNA. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. Matches with no psychology, no story telling, just high spots. No characters worth following. 2012 WCW is all that place is. It wasn't before Hogan/Bisch got involved, it had promise. They have to seriously overhaul the product. I'm sure you have an argument because you can't see the forest for the trees.
ElijahSGrimes 1 week ago
@ElijahSGrimes I love how u keep jumping from 1 issue to another. Just admit you're a TNA hater so I can know where u stand bcuz with each comment u make all u do is come off as this ignorant hater. Lol at TNA has no characters. Bully Ray, Roode, Austin Aries, Storm, EY, & the Pope aren't characters? Oh yeah, Kurt Angle who is in TNA has no ring psychology. Doug Williams a mat wrestler does nothing but highspots right? Please make another stupid reply and dig an even deeper hole.
kob456 1 week ago
@kob456 You just named a bunch of wrestlers, excluding Angle, who do not draw. That was my original argument. Money is money and an average of 1.2 in the ratings speaks for itself. I invite you to look at TNA ratings on the internet and compare them with Raw. PLEASE. Also, learn to use full words rather than abbreviations if you wish to be taken seriously. Sum 1 might think yer stupid. Like I do.
ElijahSGrimes 1 week ago
@ElijahSGrimes Y r u excluding Angle? Is it bcuz he's from WWE? Does that make him a draw? Isn't Angle on the TNA shows that draw a 1.2? U don't even have the sense 2 grasp that TNA doesn't draw as much as WWE because they don't have the exposure or the name value that WWE has. Ur entire argument is dumb. I'm glad u brought up ratings bcuz TNA continues to either remain consistent or increase viewers meanwhile WWE on the otherhand has lost over a million and a half viewers in 2yrs
kob456 1 week ago
Sad to say, Madison Rayne vs Sting as a back up would have done more help than this...
wweman2000 4 months ago
This all goes back to the point that you have a promotion run by one of wrestling's good 'ol boys (Jeff Jarrett), who grew up in a business of drugs, 'roids, and partying, so they are no moral standards. Also, are you expecting better booking from Vince Russo, of all people? He booked himself as WCW Champ and killed whatever dignity that belt had left after David Arquette was through with it. Get rid of Carter, Bitchoff, Jarrett & Russo and get Heyman and bring back Cornette.
atmtex83 5 months ago
bryan alvarez is a hack
MissDeeCole 5 months ago
@MissDeeCole Alvarez isn't particularly insightful because he's not a historian of the industry, but his book "Death of WCW" was quite well researched. WCW went out of business for a reason, and their drawing power at the Georgia Dome demonstrates this clearly. No, Bischoff and Russo are hacks.
fnpmplf 1 month ago
"call up kurt and save us!"....
kip james!!!
KenFan4life 7 months ago
@jlove150 it's not ignorant my friend, it's an opinion. if you can't deal with it, don't come replying to stuff people say.
TheJdc34life 8 months ago
@jlove150 dude i'm begging you to get some fiber in your diet..your so irritable. if you don't like the product, fine don't watch it.. i am a fan, and i like it, and that's all there is to it..
TheJdc34life 8 months ago
@TheJdc34life you're a TNA fan??? lol! i can't believe there are people that would admit to that!
Rimbaud1531 6 months ago
@jlove150 ok obviously your not real smart about the business. don't you understand that having abyss as the x division champion, it's getting attention put back on the title, and the division itself? also don't you understand that they will go out and bring in guys to be apart of the ppv? do you not understand that guys like joe and aj's current feuds will end at slammiversary?? am i getting through to you at all?
TheJdc34life 8 months ago
@jlove150 well just wait until july for the x-division ppv.
TheJdc34life 8 months ago
@jlove150 well tna is credible..they have some of the best talent in the world. guys who have been around the industry..better talent pool than wwe.
TheJdc34life 8 months ago
@TheJdc34life The idea that TNA has talent even close to the WWE's level is ridiculous on its face. The vast majority of their roster consists of guys who couldn't hack it in the WWE midcard and spot monkeys.
fnpmplf 1 month ago
@fnpmplf oh yeah because we all know that guys like santino marella & the miz are ground breaking pro wrestlers...please son stick to what you know.....and try not to spread lies
TheJdc34life 1 month ago
@TheJdc34life To avoid strawman arguments like you're giving, name the top 10 TNA guys v. the top 10 WWE guys. John Cena alone is worth more to the WWE than TNA combined. But good luck promoting TNA with TNA's 8,000 buys.
fnpmplf 1 month ago
@fnpmplf i don't have to prove anything to you. to me tna has the more world caliber athletes..i would put up any x division match against anything cena does..any schmuck with 5 moves can be the top dog, as along as the wwe machine is behind him..
TheJdc34life 1 month ago
@TheJdc34life Well, at least you don't try and pretend TNA matters, unlike the rest of their 10,000 fans worldwide. I must say that I can't remember a WWE PPV main event ever being as bad as TNA's Sting v. Jeff Hardy. At least WWE main eventers know psychology and working a crowd rather than pretending wrestling is some ball-arena contest.
fnpmplf 1 month ago
@fnpmplf tna does matter. do i think they are an immediate threat to wwe, no i don't..do i believe that wwe doesn't notice them and want some of their talent, no again. tna has what it takes to be a top company, they just need the right leadership to get them there. they are not that bad of a company. wwe doesn't do everything right, you can't deny that.
TheJdc34life 1 month ago
@TheJdc34life I'm hardly a WWE apologist and know that the company has continually time itself in the foot time and again, but the WWE is still controlled and organized by people who are infinitely more competent in both business operations and the wrestling. TNA has a lot of good indy workers, but that's all most of them are and ever will be. Good indy wrestlers tend not to translate that well to a national audience, which is the audience that really matters.
fnpmplf 1 month ago
@TheJdc34life I would like to add that TNA is irrelevant. They get around 1.5 million viewers per week yet somehow can only get at most 10,000 of them to buy that PPV. That means that their hit rate is around 1/150. Think about that. That's pathetic in every conceivable way. Even WCW at its worst wasn't that bad.
fnpmplf 1 month ago
@fnpmplf your the one that brought tna up man..i don't care about number, big deal. fact is your just a sheep who goes along with everybody else, because wwe claims to be the only game in town..wwe killed the territory system, they killed their competition they are not the best thing for the business..tna gives me things wwe can't, because they don't have it in them..so that's all i have to say about that.
TheJdc34life 1 month ago
@TheJdc34life You're the guy who likes TNA, and you call me "sheep"; I mean, you're the guy who likes a promotion that rivals WCW in asininity, and you call me "sheep"? LOL. Okay. Let me give you a lesson. The territorial system killed itself, and none of the promoters had the foresight that Vince had in creating non-wrestling revenue streams and through dumb booking. (Think about WCCW, one of the better territories out there.) But it's nice to see WCW still has fans.
fnpmplf 1 month ago
@TheJdc34life I would like to add one other thing, namely that as bad as Vince can be, at least there is wrestling on the national stage. (TNA indirectly benefited from Vince's Attitude Era.) Had Ole Anderson, Jim Crockett, Bill Watts, or Eric Bischoff succeeded, I doubt there would be much of an audience for wrestling today, and wrestling would have gone in the dustbin just like roller derby did. Go read some Wrestling Observer issues and educate yourself, please.
fnpmplf 1 month ago
@fnpmplf oh i'm well educated on the business. and i know for a fact that a business cannot survive without competition..that's what your failing to realize. you better thank God, there is a TNA and an ROH, and other companies out there. If Vince McMahon was the only game in town, it would become stale and nobody would watch it, and it would eventually die.
TheJdc34life 1 month ago
@TheJdc34life Competition is good, but I'm going to write a book on the economic history of pro-wrestling. One point I will make is that the nature of the business in the long-term is that there is only room for one promotion. The economics of the Monday Night War leaves much to be explained. But the wrestling business, contrary to what people like Bischoff think, is not oligopolic. TNA does nothing for the business, but ROH is more valuable since it's different. TNA is not.
fnpmplf 1 month ago
@TheJdc34life Anyway, if there is no competition, partly blame Vince Russo for the garbage that was the Attitude Era. In the long-term, Russo's booking of WWF and WCW has caused TV companies to not want anything to do with wrestling despite the ratings that they draw because advertisers didn't want to touch the product.
fnpmplf 1 month ago
@fnpmplf well let's see vince hired russo, he ok'd everything he did so you can't blame russo for that point. russo was given free will in wcw, so yeah it could be his fault there. but some say mcmahon sent russo down to wcw to kill it.
TheJdc34life 1 month ago
@TheJdc34life If you knew anything about wrestling history and the industry, you would know of the absurdity of that conspiracy theory. No, Russo sucked and that is why WCW sucked, just like TNA sucks now. Vince hired Russo, but Russo worked with Bruce Pritchard, Jim Cornette, and Jim Ross. He was part of a committee and was influential with the garbage of the late 90s. But Russo thinks it was Venis and the Godfather who drew, not the awesome main event scene.
fnpmplf 1 month ago
@fnpmplf i know about the history, if you read my comment closer you would have noticed that it was a rumor..if you want to be this little wwe fan boy, then be my guest. your blinded by sports entertainment, so pro wrestling in fact makes you sick..so there ya go.
TheJdc34life 1 month ago
@TheJdc34life I read your comment properly the first time around. That you would even bring it up says a lot. When you casually discuss the U.S. and the Soviets vis-a-vis space exploration, would you bring up the Moon conspiracy without a smirk? "Sports entertainment" is used to make to convince advertisers that its product isn't pro-wrestling, which has a bad stigma. Did it work? Maybe. Cena and Fruity Pebbles penned a huge deal. But how is TNA any different from WWE?
fnpmplf 1 month ago
@fnpmplf tna has real professional wrestlers. guys who actually get in the ring and work. wwe has a select few, and they always seem to push the ones who are either a gimmick or limited in wrestling ability.
TheJdc34life 1 month ago
@TheJdc34life Like I asked you earlier, who are those "real professional wrestlers"? Daniel Bryan can work circles around every single person in that company, as can C. M. Punk. Are you talking about Sting, some guy who is bordering on 50? Rob Van Dam, a guy who is a few years past his prime? Ken Anderson, who couldn't hack it in the WWE? Abyss? I saw Christopher Daniels work live, and he didn't grasp psychology that well. Guys in TNA don't know how to "work".
fnpmplf 1 month ago
@fnpmplf Every real wrestling fan knows that TNA has the strongest roster in professional wrestling. Daniel Bryan is no better than Austin Aries. You're probably dumb enough to really buy into the marketing ploy that Punk is the "best in the world". Punk is average at best. Plus look how many FCW scrubs are on the roster that are green as grass and u want to talk about guys in TNA not knowing how to work? 90% of the divas in WWE can't even do a wristlock. You're a damn joke!!
kob456 1 month ago
@kob456 true verry true especially the FCW thing also they keep the true pros in Florida forever and sometimes never make it to the main roster or are a joke on it
chivoxtrereme 1 month ago
@chivoxtrereme WWE just released Alex Koslov (Peter Orlov) which is proof of that statement
SadisticScott 3 weeks ago
@kob456 90 pecent of the divas can't do a wristlock? more like 98%. Other than Kharma(who's out)\ because of he pregnancy), Natalya and Beth, none of the other divas are worth wathcing.
SadisticScott 3 weeks ago
@kob456 A good roster does not mean shit when the booking is awful. I don't like either WWE or TNA right now because of the god awful booking in both promotions. WCW had a great roster in 2000, but that doesn't change the fact that the booking SUCKED.
SadisticScott 3 weeks ago
@SadisticScott TNA's booking can use improvements but it's not as awful. They've been more consistent. The shows they did in London was booked very well. The problem is that when TNA is in the Imp Zone which is where they r 85% of the time, it takes away from the action and makes things come off terrible. WCW was facing the same issue when they taped in a studio until they went live on Mondays. WWE on the otherhand isn't consistent with their booking except with the world titles
kob456 2 weeks ago
@SadisticScott Couldn't agree with you more. The best thing TNA do at the moment is produce good matches ON PAPER, but in reality they are the shits because everything surrounding those matches from an entertainment POV are the shits. They went with the chickenshit route with Roode as Champion, which was totally against character. The hottest commodity in TNA right now is Bully Ray but he's jobbing out to the likes of an injured Storm and also Hardy in matches made for Bully Ray
IDIOTdella 2 weeks ago
@SadisticScott They've got nothing at all fueling the KO Championship match at AAO because nobody earned the right to the no1 contender match in the first place. They've had a very brief tournament for the tag team title shot but nothing is fueling that to any degree of excitement. The fatal 4 way promises to be overbooked, what with Sting ringside as enforcer. Aries and Shelley promises to be a good match but nothing else. Shelley came in, trash talked Aries, Bam has a title shot
IDIOTdella 2 weeks ago
@IDIOTdella WTF r u talking about? If u watched Impact, you'd know that Tara earned her contendership against Gail by winning a 3 way match. Joe/Magnus who r getting over by the week continue to build a solid program with Crimson/Morgan. AJ/Kaz is developing into a good story. How is Roode going against character? He's a man willing to do anything to be champ.There's plenty of good going on. I doubt u even watch the product because you clearly don't know what the hell you're talking
kob456 1 week ago
@kob456 - 1) I do watch Impact 2) The match Tara won was a No1 Contender's match. Since these matches have no value whatsoever anymore, I'm not surprised you thought it was just another match. Who'd earned the right to be in such a match? None of them had. Where was the build up to the No1 Contender's match? There wasn't any. What's the storyline behind this match-up between Tara and Gail? There isn't any.
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@kob456 - Joe/Magnus vs Crimson/Morgan - Who are the heels and who are the faces? You don't know do you, and that's because all it is between the two teams is that Joe and Magnus want the tag belts and Crimson and Morgan are the ones they need to beat for them. There is nothing else, not even a definitive heel/face team. Also, 4 Matches is not a tournament. A tournament would be the BFG series of last year that took about 6 months of countless matches to complete
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@IDIOTdella Yes I do know. Crimson/Morgan=faces. Joe/Magnus=heels. But because fans in attendance at the shows, have free will, they cheer for the heels Joe/Magnus and boo the faces in Crimson/Morgan. it's not that hard to comprehend.
kob456 1 week ago
@kob456 Oh really, and just what have Magnus and Joe done for them to be considered the heels in tis tag team division? As far as I can determine all they did was enter a four match tournament, won it, which gave them the chance to go up against Crimson and Morgan. And what exactly have Crimson and Morgan done to determine they were the faces? The answer is easy, neither have done anything.
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@IDIOTdella You need to calm down and get a life my friend.
Its pro wrestling, chill out. Stop being a smark, and start trying to be a fan again.
TNA has been good the past few months, much improved. People like you just bitch, whine and complain about EVERYTHING. Its boring.
You have forgotten how to be a fan.
Kozzy06 1 week ago
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@IDIOTdella You need to calm down and get a life my friend.
Its pro wrestling, chill out. Stop being a smark, and start trying to be a fan again.
TNA has been good the past few months, much improved. People like you just bitch, whine and complain about EVERYTHING. Its boring.
You have forgotten how to be a fan.
Kozzy06 1 week ago
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@IDIOTdella You need to calm down and get a life my friend.
Its pro wrestling, chill out. Stop being a smark, and start trying to be a fan again.
TNA has been good the past few months, much improved. People like you just bitch, whine and complain about EVERYTHING. Its boring.
You have forgotten how to be a fan.
Kozzy06 1 week ago
@IDIOTdella Uhh Crimson and Morgan were both faces before joining as a tag team. That's what makes them faces. Joe n Magnus after every matchup involving Crimson, Morgan, or both would sneak attack them and then ran when Crimson and Morgan got offense. That's what made them heels. It's that basic. There's no rocket science to this.
kob456 1 week ago
@kob456 ...Uh, Crimson has been a face true (an annoying one at that) but Morgan has been a face and a heel before this tag team. Joe and Magnus have both been faces and heels before this tag team, so their pasts don't actually endorse anything which is why there should have been something to let the viewer know what exactly they were whether they were face or heel, but, as said, neither have done anything to determine that whatsoever.
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@kob456 - If memory serves both have had post match brawls. All that's happened is a tit-for-tat. For instance, British Invasion were a classic heel tag team. They'd interfere in matches, they'd distract the ref and produce a briefcase and whack their opponents with it, they'd deliberately hit the ref to get DQ'd and so on and so on. Neither Crimson/Morgan or Magnus/Joe have done anything even approaching something like that.
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@IDIOTdella I just told u that after every match Crimson/Morgan had, Joe n Magnus would come down after the match and beat down Crimson/Morgan. U said u watched, TNA. Have u not seen that happen b4? How does a scenario like that not establish them as heels in a feud? With Joe/Magnus now being the tag champs and being such crowd favorites, they look to possibly be turning face. I know u want more entertainment but I just plainly dont know the entertainment u want. Go more in-depth.
kob456 1 week ago
@kob456 The Entertainment I would like to see is respect shown for the belts, such as showing how difficult it is to obtain, which in turn would compliment the wrestler holding that belt, even a heel, because if a heel has to go up against a great face, he would have to be creative in his cheating to beat him. I would like Roode to say something like "Bring them on and I will beat each and every one of them because I am that good" - that he's not afraid to put the belt on the line.
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@IDIOTdella If u watch TNA, you'll see weekly that Sting lines up opponents to face Roode bcuz he's tired of seeing Roode cheat or weasel his way out of matches n still hold onto the title.The problem is u want him to be something he's not. There's an entire storytelling element that's either going over ur head or that u don't appreciate. Roode's character isn't a fighting champion. The quicker u accept that, the more u can appreciate it. He's a man going by any means to remain champ
kob456 1 week ago
@kob456 - That's my point entirely, I know he isn't a fighting Champ, and that's what's out of character for me, because the Heel character we had in the past was a nasty piece of work who was unafraid to show what he could do in the ring because he was confident in his ability as a wrestler and as someone who could win the belt by any means when necessary.
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@IDIOTdella Dude he's a HEEL. No heel wants strong face opposition. There's no exception 4 Roode. Roode has protagonists looking to topple him. His former friend AJ wanted to beat sense into him. Hardy wants the title to put his demons to rest. Bully Ray wants 2 solidify himself in his own right. Storm is out for his blood. Plus Roode has a GM in Sting constantly throwing obstacles in his way. Roode w/ all those hurdles still poses as a legitimate threat yet still maintains his belt.
kob456 1 week ago
@kob456 - They've completely ignored his previous belief that he could retain the title with his in-ring expertise and it's an important omission, because it's what separated him from a fighting heel and a chickenshit one.
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@IDIOTdella After BFG, when Angle cheated, Roode made it clear that using skill and doing things the right way doesn't pay. Since then he started cheating. With that said, he's continued to outsmart all his competitors and remain champ using in-ring expertise of win by any means similar to Flair. Go back and look at Flair during the height of the Horsemen days. Flair became the dirtiest player by using any tactic to keep the belt like any true heel would. That's how heels build heat.
kob456 1 week ago
@kob456 - There have been plenty of heels who've gone in the ring, put the belt on the line and proven they can wrestle as well as be the heel during a match. That;s the kind of entertainment I want o see. I also want strong storylines that build a wrestler into a heel or a face, not one beating means he's a heel or one nice gesture mean he's the face.
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@kob456 - Basically Roode's character has gone from a conniving, sneaky, despicable, imaginative, intelligent snake in the grass, which I was looking forward to seeing again, to a coward who's afraid his own shadow might take the belt from him - and all that without any explanation. This is NOT entertainment to me, this is a lazy arse creative team who cannot be bothered to do what they're being paid to do, and that's be creative.
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@IDIOTdella There has been plenty of explanation for Roode's behavior. The problem is either 1)you've missed episodes of TNA 2)You haven't been paying full attention 3)You watch on and off. To not like the way he's being booked is one thing but to say his character has no explanation makes no sense. Most fans who watch the product will tell u Roode's character is fine and makes sense.
kob456 1 week ago
@kob456 - I know there are plenty of others who like what's beign done. I've just been letting you know why I don't like it.
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@IDIOTdella I know. I understand. But at the end of the day, this could go on forever. I guess we can agree to disagree.
kob456 1 week ago
@kob456 -You're right this could go on forever because there's a lot in your replies that I strongly disagree with, especially concerning Triple H and who they're supposedly modelling Roode's character on, but because I will just be re-iterating most of the points I've already made - no problem I agree to disagree.
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@kob456 - I will say this, I really liked how they ended this week's Impact and that it is a turning point for the Roode character, that we get the nasty fighting heel Champion he should be.
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@IDIOTdella If u ask me, Roode always comes out looking smart, evil & ruthless. He's held for 4 months. He cheats while getting actual victories. He gets heat. He expressed verbally that he's out to retain the belt and showed us literally he'll do whatever. Yes, he's an evil-conniving bastard out for self, not willing to face strong protagonists. Those r traits of a classic villain. I like it. If u want to see a bad rendition of a "chickenshit" champ, watch Daniel Bryan in WWE
kob456 1 week ago
@kob456 - That's it, that's all I'm going to say about it. I've gone as in depth as I can, and if you don't understand what it is I'm trying to say, what I would like to see on the entertainment side of the product, then you never will. Not my problem.
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@kob456 - I'm not asking for rocket science to be applied and I'm not trying to apply rocket science to this whole thing, what I'm saying is that there should be, and needs to be, a whole lot more to the entertainment side of the product than people just going in ring and trash talking to insure they get a title shot. It's bollocks.
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@kob456 - AJ/Kazarian is just an extension of a countless regurgitated AJ/Daniels feud storyline. It's a good twist, but why has Kazarian turned against AJ? Why does Daniels have such a hold over Kazarian? Will we ever know? Does Creative even know? Roode may be doing all he can to keep a hold of the belt, but he only gets in the ring when he's forced to by Sting, that's not a fighting heel Champion wanting to keep a hold of the belt by cheating in the ring, it's a chickenshit Champion.
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@IDIOTdella Lol at thinking a heel needs to be a fighting champion and willing competitor. Newsflash, heels want to hold onto the belt for as long as possible and want to do as little work as possible. Maybe you're new to wrestling but that is the age old story. Welcome to prowrestling101.
kob456 1 week ago
@kob456 I'm not new to wrestling at all. You're talking out of your arse if you think you've just given me a pro wrestling 101 lesson. If you knew Bobby Roode's original heel you would know that this chickenshit Champion he's portraying now is totally against character. He was always a fighting Champion whether he was a heel or a face with Beer Money. Not hard to comprehend at all, but you don;t seem to be able to grasp it at all.
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@IDIOTdella U r new to wrestling n you're obviously new to TNA as well. I want you to go back to TNA in 2006-2008 when Roode was a single's competitor b4 being in Beer Money. He portrayed a cowardly cheat to win heel back then as well. It's part of his makeup. Even James Storm in a kayfabe TNA interview on youtube said that Bobby Roode has always had a sadistic determined side to him but didn't expect Bobby to betray him like that. So you're wrong on that.
kob456 1 week ago
@kob456 - Agian, not new to TNA. Uh, you have no concept of what cowardly means. A coward is not someone who cheats to keep the belt, a coward is someone who has to be forced into defending the belt, which is what Roode's character is doing today. Roode's character back in 2006-2008 couldn't wait to get in the ring to prove what a great wrestler he was and deserving of all the accolades available at TNA and then cheated whenever he was thought he couldn't win the match on wrestling alone
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@IDIOTdella Uh when Robert Roode was a singles midcard heel act, he was basically the same character that he portrays now. In fact, he was probably even more cowardly back then because when he used to get his ass kicked, he'd run outside the ring and literally hide behind his female manager and use them as a shield. Creative did not forget it which is y they let Storm remind the viewers that Roode has always had this selfish-do what it takes attitude.
kob456 1 week ago
@kob456 - Yes, he was selfish, yes he cheated during matches, but, and this is what defines him from being a chickenshit heel champion to a fighting heel, but the difference from back then to what he is now is that he has to be forced into matches now, that makes him a chickenshit Champion, unless I'm not using the right word to describe his type of champion right now.
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@IDIOTdella Yes Roode was a typical heel. Very rare does a heel champion want to be a fighting champion. Just about every heel is a coward. What he was doing back then was no different than now. During his feud with Booker T, Roode was doing everything not to be in the same ring as him. Ur entire argument makes no sense. The reason he turned heel was that he wants to hold onto the belt as long as possible. That means not having to defend it as much and cheating to win. IT MAKES SENSE
kob456 1 week ago
@kob456 - Also, a kayfabe interview is whatever Creative puts in that wrestler's mouth to say, so it's not exactly an endorsement of you being right by saying "even Storm said blah blah blah". Creative will conveniently forget a character's past because it doesn't fit with the storyline they're trying to work at that time, and they'll get a wrestler to endorse that part of a character. Indeed, Roode was so cowardly in the past that Storm described him as sadistic and determined. Duh!
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@kob456 - I notice you fail to mention the utter shit such as the Garrett/Gunner and Bischoff/Bischoff storylines. You also fail to mention that Shelley comes back, trash talks Aries and Bam! he has a title shot. You also fail to mention how they build Bully Ray into a no-nonsense motherfucker only to have him job out to Hardy, Sting and an injured Storm in matches that were made for the character, just because they're too busy pushing Hardy and a Roode/Storm feud.
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@IDIOTdella Uh no you're wrong. This is why u need to pay attention. When Aries said he needed competition which brought out Shelley, Aries told him that he had to earn his shot and couldn't just come from no where and get a title shot. After that, Aries picked for Shelley to face Zema and if he beat Zema, he would be #1 contender. U don't even pay attention to what's going on yet u want to chime in like u know it all. Again if you're going to speak ill of something, have facts.
kob456 1 week ago
@kob456 - Once again you fail to understnad what I'm talking about. My point had nothing to do with how the scenario came about, it's the scenario itself. Creative are too fucking lazy to give any of the title shots any kind of depth to them. It's piss easy to write a scenario that says the champ is bored and is looking for competition, then have a newly returning wrestler pop up and take him up on his offer. Like I said, Shelley arrivges, trash talks and has a title shot. It's bullshit.
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@IDIOTdella Tell me how u give depth? It's prowrestling and u seem to be doing so much science in it. Prowrestling is about 1 guy not liking another and wanting to fight. It's that easy. It's that simple of a story and those r the best stories. Aries said he didn't have competition. Shelley came out and challenged him. Aries said Shelley needed to prove himself. Shelley was put in a match to earn that shot and won. He faced Aries. What more do u want to that? Should it b convoluted?
kob456 1 week ago
@kob456 - You may be talking about pro-wrestling, but I'm talking about pro-wrestling ENTERTAINMENT and that is so much more than just two guys getting in the ring and kayfabe beating the shit out of each other. Just because that's all you want to see does not mean it's what pro-wrestling entertainment is all about. In fact if you just want to watch two blokes in a ring beating the living shit out of each other, why don't you watch UFC, and/or MMA? tbc...
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@IDIOTdella So what do u want. U want to see the guys do magic tricks with their fingers like how Taker can point and cause lightning. Just because it's entertainment, doesn't mean it has to be so complicated and needs to be some huge spectacle. The simplest things can be entertaining too. What do u want a 5 month tournament for every single number 1 championship contendership match. I enjoy the entertainment and the characters, but I don't need complicated stories like how u want
kob456 1 week ago
@kob456 - I have to say that it really pisses me off when someone becomes so fucking obtuse, just to make the person they're replying to seem like a dick, which is what you're trying do with me with this paragraph. I don't mind you disagreeing with me but don't fucking paint me as an idiot, because I know I'm far from being an idiot.
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@kob456 I'm not wanting huge spectacles from characters, I'm simply wanting them to behave in-character, which Bobby Roode's character is not behaving in-character and for the reason I've posted. Having said that this has nothing to do with being gifted title shots. Going beyond trash talking someone and having one match for a title shot does not make something complicated. The BFG series last year was not complicated at all and yet it was the best thing TNA did that year.
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@IDIOTdella So what you're saying is that every single title shot for a title has to go through a tournament or some type of bracket. You seem to want wrestling to be real or to be resemble a legit sport. The things you want don't fit a realistic standard. So u would prefer for Austin Aries to not defend his X-div title and wait for 5 months for Alex Shelley to win a tournament before defending his title against him? Do you realize how fans would grow impatient with that.
kob456 1 week ago
@kob456 No, what I'm saying is that it should be more than just a "You're trash, good that's got me a title shot". You can have matches in feuds that don't include the belt, but it seems every time someone talks trash to someone else they get a title shot. We can see someone like Aries in action without the belt being on the line, build the feud with promos and matches, so that when the title is on the line there's a reason for it to be on the line, something more than just trash talk
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@kob456 The BFG series was just an example, not what I expect with every title defense. As said, previously title defenses should be more than just trash talk and it doesn't have to go over months and months. Having said that, by all means have a one off title shot with just trash taking being the fuel for it, but not all of them. For instance, I liked Madison gaining a title shot by sitting on the sidelines waiting for the last KO to be in the ring, then dumping her outside for the win
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@kob456 - And the reason I liked that is because it was in-character for Madison to do that. I haven't liked the fact that Kim returns and is gifted the Tag and Championship belts. What I also haven't liked is that Kim's first two matches showed she didn't need help, but the moment she got the titles they dumbed her down so that it looked like she would need help, just to push the storyline of her and Madison.
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@kob456 - In TNA you've got two chickenshit Champions, Roode and Kim, one joke of a Champion, Robbie E, and a great heel champion, Austin Aries. Fighting heel champions are not rare. There have been countless ones throughout the business, SCSA,Triple H, Sting, Diesel, Razor Ramon, Shawn Michaels, Macho Man, Bret Hart, Flair, Tully Blanchard, Ole and Arn Anderson, Curt Hennig, and so on and so on.
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@IDIOTdella 1st off Sting was never a heel world champ. 2nd, HHH was the biggest coward heel going any length to retain. HHH ran from fights and couldn't score a clean victory in his early world title reigns. 3rd, Kim is not a coward champ. She's willing to defend her belt. She may get help from time 2 time but even now her character doesn't want interference so bad example. Roode is being modeled after the very same classic heels you named like Flair and HHH so bad examples all over
kob456 1 week ago
@kob456 ...And the reason it was the best thing TNA did that year was because it showed a huge amount of respect for the belt, how difficult it was to obtain it - unlike what they're doing now.
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@kob456 ... (cont'd) and yet if you are watching UFC and MMA, then why you're watching wrestling entertainment where everything is scripted and choreographed like a movie, and not wrestling without entertainment attached to it, is beyond me.
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@kob456 - You can stop your doubting because I do watch the product, and even though as shit as it is I still watch it over the WWE.
IDIOTdella 1 week ago
@SadisticScott So all in all, there's nothing motivating these matches to any degree of excitement at all - which is why, for me, TNA. is as boring as shit at the moment because there's nothing there for me to really enjoy. It's just a whole bunch of laziness on the part of Creative/Booking, and a couple of matches that ON THE DAY might be good but nothing memorable
IDIOTdella 2 weeks ago
@SadisticScott - Sorry, for the splurge, but lastly, if all I wanted to watch was quality wrestling then I'd watch wrestling that doesn't have Entertainment attached to it, but I don't because I want the storylines, the characters, the credible angles and so on, but the WWE or TNA neither seem to have a creative bone in their body to be able to supply that to me.
IDIOTdella 2 weeks ago
@TheJdc34life Kurt Angle is the best thing they have, a WWE product anyway.
fnpmplf 1 month ago
@fnpmplf um let's see they have bobby roode, james storm, samoa joe, doug williams, christopher daniels, aj styles, kazarian, austin aries, kid kash, abyss....wow um those aren't wwe products so argue that point.
TheJdc34life 1 month ago
@TheJdc34life Your pretension and stupidity kill me. I mean, how is TNA not just some WWE-lite promotion with horrible Russo booking? You make TNA sound like it's North America's answer to Puroresu. LOL! I'm not so much defending the WWE product as much as I'm defending Vince's business sense and that he is and has always been a cunning visionary who could see the wrestling business as being greater than just the wrestling business. That's why Crockett went under and he didn't.
fnpmplf 1 month ago
@jlove150 wow what an ignorant statement you just made..
TheJdc34life 8 months ago
They coulda had some1 attack jeff backstage and take his place turning them face or heel depending how you do it.
xgidx 9 months ago
2 points: 1. Jeff's heel turn aside, that's what TNA gets for putting their top belt on a drug addict. 2. They have all the right ingredients to put on a show to challenge WWE but nobody in charge has the right recipe to put it all together.
MarkFanboyX 9 months ago 13
@MarkFanboyX couldnt have said it better myself
TheSilverPhoenix100 3 months ago
This is a sincere lamentation and I agree with Meltzer. Hiring Hardy back WITHOUT rehab is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard...
shootbinary 11 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
wow dirt sheet dave back at it again. nobody cares about meltzer, he's not credible anyways
TheJdc34life 11 months ago
@TheJdc34life Just trying to make sure the page is balanced. I don't want to come off as a mark on either side WWE vs. TNA.
WrestlingShark 11 months ago
@WrestlingShark that's fine.
TheJdc34life 11 months ago
@WrestlingShark your channel is awesome
i know there are some requests for heroes of wrestling (which i also want to hear btw) but could you upload the whole victory road 2011 reaction and hardcore justice 2010 reactions?
randyHEADLOCKorton 6 months ago
How is he not credible exactly?
ebeneezzer 10 months ago
@ebeneezzer over this,
TheJdc34life 10 months ago
@TheJdc34life lol! everyone in the industry reads the wrestling observer. guys like Austin, the Rock, Mick Foley, Bret Hart, Bruno Sammartino, and UFC prez Dana White confide in Meltzer both on & off the record. sport's illustrated senior editor Frank Deford calls Dave one of the best journalists in the country. lol@ TNA marks.
Rimbaud1531 10 months ago
@Rimbaud1531 hey i'm proud to be a tna mark lol, if you want real news, turn to no one but thet EHWF!!!!!!!!!!!
TheJdc34life 10 months ago
@Rimbaud1531 Vince McMahon confided in Meltzer in 2001 after the buyout and did opposite of what Meltzer advised. Meltzer also warned Bischoff back in 1998, when business was still good, to start pushing a different set of talent or there won't be any future. Bischoff replied that he would and is working on it, and that it won't be Chris Jericho because his 10-year-old cousin could kick Jericho's ass in a real fight. Guess who is the big star, and guess who is running TNA?
fnpmplf 1 month ago
@TheJdc34life The best journalist in pro wrestling history, and a great journalist, period. Put the jealousy away and get a clue, please.
daystilljersey 9 months ago 11
@daystilljersey plese understand not everyone is going to have the same opinion about people, please quit being a pot stirrer, PLEASE!!!!!!
TheJdc34life 9 months ago
@daystilljersey Apter > Meltzer
nexivdr 5 months ago
@daystilljersey Come on! He writes at a 5th grade level. So calling him a great journalist is a stretch.
I will give you he's the best wrestling journalist...but that like being the most disease free hooker. It may be true, but it's not something I would brag about.
78bcat 5 months ago
@daystilljersey oh it's not jealousy, it's just a fact of nature
TheJdc34life 1 month ago
@TheJdc34life lol
TheMasterStrategist 7 months ago
@TheJdc34life Even though 90 percent of the accurate news comes from Meltzer that you read, he makes 6 figures a year, and f4online is the most popular wrestling/mma site on the internet, but yeah, he's not credible at all.
Rescueme0909 6 months ago
@TheJdc34life
Why did you watch the video then????
jb0609 6 months ago