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[LDSfaithDefender]

I'm not an atheist, but this vid of yours got me laughin', Joe!

You're not a dangerous person at all. The dangerous people are the anti-Mormon activists that infest the world: they're all people claiming to be Christians. They ARE the ennemy. They use the Bible as a weapon to disprove Mormon scriptures, and they would even kill for that. That's what they did to Joseph Smith & his brother.

Atheists are NOT Mormons' worse ennemies.

[aajoeyjo]

@LDSfaithDefender - Well thanks for letting us know about Mormons who don't hate us...I hope you give that opinion to the current head of the LDS. Not Gordon Hinkley anymore, right? He hated us.

Of course we Atheists also criticize Mormonism. To us, it's every bit as Christian as Catholicism or Santeria or Jonestown. We use the Bible to discredit the harmful religion that pushes the Bible onto us. We won't kill over it, but the Bible surely says to anyway. We still won't though.

[william0873]

If you get a free one its prob Yusuf Ali wahabi. Mohammed Ali's translation of the Quran is the most accurate ver batum. Most religion is crap because its so twisted by money and power hungry priests. The catholic church n shia islam is the most corrupt imo.bible n quran both have mistranslations twisting them. There are really two main sides when it boils down. Lucifarianism n the Abrahamic religions Jew christian n muslim. People get bent outta shape about books but theyre just that, books

[TheBigKiller]

Great video, I just got a free bible in the mail. Time to mark up the bad stuff and show it to those pesky Christians! :D

[aajoeyjo]

They kill their children for their religion.

What bashing? It's a fact. You just have to read the news.

It's nice that they won't try to convert me, but they kill their children for their religion. That's everybody's business, and their crime.

I don't harass.

[bigsexyinsect]

what news, youre beleiving b/s hypaganda that was started by the catholic church decades ago, may have reflected one or two instances IN THE EARLY EIGHTIES. I was raised C.S. and allthough I dropped going to church ( which they totally acceptped). I was born in a cabin, dont take drugs or medicine, and have never been to a hospital. The whole point of C.R is to put faith in your own ability to heal instead of using Christ and the Bible as a crutch. A million more kids die in hospitals, crackhead

[Tytsjerksteradiel]

Dude your awesome! I am going to do it!!!

[imjeezsayin]

I read the article on Restoration solicitations. Seems like a real scam to me. But whether they are or are not running a scam they deserve to be stopped for being aggressive and dangerous and breaking the city codes. I don't think this can be singled out in an effort against Christians, because I've seen secular groups do the same...not shaking the car, but being in the lanes and being a hazard. It's good to fight it, but to be fair don't lump it in your anti-Christian arsenal.

[aajoeyjo]

Which secular group does this according to their plan? Which secular group has received over a dozen citations for doing it, from the police? Which secular group does this, and hides from the public about it? I'd like to know.

[imjeezsayin]

What I'm pointing out is that this seems to be a scam, Joe. So not really valid in your arsenal. In the town I live in firefighters go into the streets with using their boots for donations for whatever cause they are raising money for. Annoys me, but a lot of people seem to not care. Now if they shook cars and were belligerent that would be another thing. I think ARM is a front for getting money with lies.

[aajoeyjo]

It's a scam, but it's not valid for me to speak out about it? How do you figure? I think all religion is a scam, so what's not valid about talking about it?

I don't like it when fire fighters do the same thing. I've told them too. They don't do that in Austin very often at all. I'm glad.

A front for getting money with lies? Yes, that's religion. Not all groups that do that are religious, but religion is a scam for profit.

[imjeezsayin]

Still waiting for an explanation of how "costing " them helps you. I'm confused by this concept. You sort of skirt the question by throwing out specifics of what you disrespect about Christianity. Off topic, really....

[aajoeyjo]

It's simple. There's a culture war going on, and we're on one side, and they're on the other. Whenever they spend money on pointless nonsense like holy water being sent to thousands of people in exchange for donations, and we can get them to spend some of that money on a dead end like this, that's money they can't spend to REALLY spread harm. Every penny counts.

Plus it gives us some solid evidence of their scam, and entertainment as we examine it.

[imjeezsayin]

Ah, as I thought...divisiveness at the core of the effort. So, you are not for solving problems, looking for ways to bridge differences. In fact it sounds like you have no desire for upholding the constitutional right to freedom of religion, that you want to engage ins a culture 'war"...them against us...

I'm still looking for the atheists who will have reasonable discussions with theist...who can see we have some common ground. Have fun with your free stuff...btw, it's not hurting! Sorry!

[aajoeyjo]

I don't intend to divide people with this project. Religion has already divided us. I can't do what's already been done to this extent.

Plus this video wasn't really intended for religious people. It's aimed at my own people.

I'm looking for a single honest theist to debate. I think you and I are having a reasonable discussion so far. Your state/church separation talk was some common ground I thought. Why don't we go into that more?

[imjeezsayin]

aajoeyjo: I don't intend to divide people with this project. Religion has already divided us. I can't do what's already been done to this extent.

imjeezsayin: why not work for peaceable co-existence? More later, hilariously I have to get caught up on some reading I'm doing for a Bible Study I'm in...LOL. I do have some ideas to discuss re: the secular nation we share, but need to read & then think things through b/4 posting on secular issues...because it's important.

[aajoeyjo]

Because I'm one of those many many Atheists who are still being pushed around by Christians. I could go into some personal things, but suffice to say, my family and I are surrounded by religious people who still try to make their beliefs into our restrictions on life. They rarely know us that well to be able to do that, but this is Christianity in the US of A we're talking about.

Of course we taxpayers get a regular reminder of the imbalance there is with churches: Taxation for us, not them.

[aajoeyjo]

I cannot peacefully co-exist with someone while they're forcing me to help pay for their harmful acts in my own neighborhood. I fight that.

I cannot peacefully co-exist with someone who is successfully brainwashing members of my family by lying to them about reality, and about me as an Atheist.

The only time I "peacefully co-existed" with Christians like that was when I was one, and I didn't have the ability to fight back. Well my knee still hurts. It's still on. They want that. So f-em.

[imjeezsayin]

What are the harmful acts in your own neighborhood?

I've never, nor have any of my other Christan friends been "in the face" of atheists or threatened them with hell. Do you think you could live peacefully with Christians like that.? Ones who accept that there are different belief systems as well as the absence of such. Ones who worship without condemnation or public mutiny. Where can I find atheists willing to work with theists to bridge gaps instead of perpetuating gaps? Ideas?

[aajoeyjo]

I made a video about a severe child abuse incident near my neighborhood. Two pastors are still serving time for that one. It was a case of where their standard "spare the rod, spoil the child" rule finally got exposed.

Also Tony Alamo's people used to be very active in Austin and beyond. He also got convicted as is doing time for child abuse.

Plus there are Catholic churches all over the place here, each with more than one clergy member.

A few years ago, I was attacked by one.

[aajoeyjo]

cont: I made a video about that one too, except I included video of the crime itself. A hate crime against me and my friend, because we were Atheists.

Before I want to build bridges with those harmful Christians, they need to stop. I'm still having to cope with and repair damage done by Christians today.

I'm thinking of making a video about my kids and religion. One of them is surrounded and I can do nothing. Except talk about it.

[imjeezsayin]

This is from gaychurch. org.

WBC is not my role model of Christian life, this expresses it well enough for me.

This website is worth looking at to see the non-legalistic hate mongering interpretation of Biblical references to homosexuality.

Next post has the reference text.

[imjeezsayin]

Paul fought long and hard against such ideas and pointed out again and again that if any one of us tries to follow the Law or enforce the Law upon others. God will hold us accountable for following each and every one of the Laws no exceptions (Galatians 5:1-6)! This means of course if we want to enforce Levitical Laws on someone else God will require us (not them!) to uphold ALL the Levitical Laws! This would be no easy task!

[aajoeyjo]

That's cherry-picking. We call it being a "Supermarket Christian." You're taking the parts you agree with and ignoring the others.

What about the genocide God committed? Do you care that it happened again and again in the book, without any moral of the story like "Don't do this..." This being the genocide that God and his followers committed many times in that book.

[aajoeyjo]

Paul? Paul who? Why follow all these one-name mythical heros if you:

A. cannot verify their identity and whether they actually LIVED,

B. cannot validate their statements because they're so bizarre, pointless, and misleading,

and

C. cannot find any modern issues mentioned in the Bible by those faceless characters?

[imjeezsayin]

LOL!! Your Catholic past surely makes you aware of who the Paul I'm posting about refers to.

This was in response to your claim that the WBC knows the Bible and is acting in the spirit of the Bible. I didn't post it as something to be refuted or embraced by you!

[aajoeyjo]

I know the Paul of the Bible, but I'm saying that no one really knows who that person was. Not only because if he really lived, it was long before any reliable record keeping, and just the fact that he's got only one name, and it's a European name, not a Jewish name...the list goes on!

In order to go with the ideology of a certain historical figure, it helps to verify that he even lived in the first place.

Beyond that, the bizarre rantings of the Bible authors ought to sway you...lol

[imjeezsayin]

LOL, a European name in the English translation. WOW

I'll rely on the OT and NT scholars who delve into the historical issues...there has been a good bit of research over the last couple of thousand year!. Additionally, it is possible to glean knowledge and guidance from written words without fretting over whether the name indicates the person was really exactly as we have pieced together. But, I don't give a rats ass if you believe or not...again off topic. You've revealed your intent. Yawn...

[aajoeyjo]

If the mythology isn't that important, fine. We agree on that, but a lot of Christians care about not only what's said, but who said it. Meh.

[aajoeyjo]

Yes, a European name in the Bible. Amazing. What's amazing is that Christians think that Jesus hung out with Europeans, and that Jesus was a white man. Or that a Roman leader wasn't easily be able to outsmart Jesus, the dirty homeless loudmouth Jew.

[imjeezsayin]

OK, this one is just cracking me up. I'm not that far from Austin, so I'm AMAZED that where you are you are surrounded by idiots. I don't know any Christians that think Jesus hung out w/Europeans. Neither did the old masters who painted scenes like that. Yeah, the arrogant nobles in Europe tried to Europeanize the Bible, but this is 2009. You're grasping Joe!

[aajoeyjo]

Well you got the point, but the point is lost on you. My point was that the Bible is Europeanized like Jesus because Christians want their god to be what they want their god to be. Not some Jewish desertphile. And definitely not the socialist anti-establishment Jesus they read about, when they bother to read it.

Did you ever think about those state/church violations I asked about?

[imjeezsayin]

No the point is NOT lost on me. I'm a worthy sparing mate. We have some agreement here. Far too many Christians fit the description that you painted. & that is a pity. But, by & large, people are that way in all walks of life. Yet, there are many who dig deep & try to get to the original with Hebrew & Greek aids. We call Jesus a radical & are not happy with the syrupy renditions in art & song. Just as not all atheists are depraved of morals as the easy stereotype goes...Christians are diverse.

[aajoeyjo]

Ah you ARE worthy. It's rare when I can debate with a theist who's both smart and patient with my gung-ho style of debate. :o)

We should do a public god-debate. Seriously, I could put a lot of Atheists into chairs for something like that.

Yes, I am glad that there is such diversity among folks in the Christian religion. I often wish Islam was like that. Diversity makes my videographer's job interesting.

[imjeezsayin]

I would freeze up in a public debate... can't go there.

I was debating w/a Muslim in a thread of a priest slapping a black woman. Now our conversations are gone. The original video poster is Muslim. Can the original poster delete comments? The other Muslim was saying subversive stuff. like 9/11 was good for Allah because it brought more people to Islam. I was kinda hoping the FBI got hold of it! Glad they were there to divert the near bombing in Dallas last week!

[imjeezsayin]

Uh oh, I was wrong about being deleted. I carelessly went to a different posting of the same video. I found the one I had posted to. I'm challenging that Muslim to explain if he is saying Islam had gain with 9/11. He had said it was a chance for the west to see what the true religion is.

[imjeezsayin]

Re: Jesus being the dirty homeless loudmouth Jew.

He had very clean feet! LOL...Biblical humor...

[aajoeyjo]

Yeah, Jesus got his feet washed. I remember.

When I was a wee little Christian, I used to think about that a lot. "Why did they make such a big deal out of washing their feet, if they bathe all over everyday? Oh right, because they didn't bathe everyday. They didn't bathe every week. Washing their feet was a big deal because they seldom washed themselves. I got it now."

Plus they lived in a desert situation, so water was scarce. Jesus and pals all stunk.

[imjeezsayin]

This is just ridiculous and divisive. I don't see how this helps you at all....

[aajoeyjo]

I see religion as ridiculous and divisive. It's ok to disagree.

It helps us by costing them. Simple.

[imjeezsayin]

Precisely how does costing them help you?

How does it help anyone to focus their lives on trying to make something "cost" someone else. Sounds vindictive and juvenile. The negative you have experiences from some religious people is being assigned to all. That, I believe, is called bigotry.

[imjeezsayin]

I'm a Christian, who believes in separation of church and state and freedom of religion. Sure there are a lot of negative things that have come from religion that has been misguided. But why do you wish to put it all in one category and stump to have it disrespected across the board. Why not live and let live. That is what separation of church and state is about. If I as a Christian can respect your rights, why not respect mine and also not trash my beliefs just because they aren't yours? Sad

[aajoeyjo]

Good question! Here's my answer.

Religious people put religion into one category and proclaim it's all good and right. We pick apart the lies and harm, and sure we'll let you know if we find something productive. But mythology is supposed to be fiction, not taught as fact.

Since church and state don't exist between you and me, this isn't about separation between those two. I respect your rights, but religion has NEVER respected mine. Quid pro quo.

Happy!

[imjeezsayin]

You say "you" respect my rights, but "religion" has NEVER respected yours.

Well, I guess "atheism" has never respected mine. See, you are not comparing apples to apples. Have you honestly NEVER had a religious PERSON respect your right to atheism? That is the comparison if you are going to say YOU respect my rights. I would suggest you accept that there truly are religious people who don't want religion in the govt or the converse. Stop treating us ALL like enemies and you'll find opportunity

[imjeezsayin]

aajoeyjo, another question...re:'We pick apart the lies and harm...let you know if we find something productive" It is up to me to decide what is productive in my life, aren't you being as in your face as the zealots you object to? If I find truth in my religion, if I believe in God...why do you care to try to discredit that? I just don't get this whole effort. Seems like a lot of angry energy for something that s/b individual choice. Where's your gain?

[TheUnmaskedMagician]

have you ever do this to peter popoff?? i called and got his free holy water. I also got a postage pre paid envlope. I sent it back to him without any money in it.

[aajoeyjo]

Yes I was on Popoff's mailing list for over a year. He sent me a stack of stuff, including a few holy water shipments. All free.

Then after about a year, it stopped coming. I guess even they know not to send things to people who don't eventually send anything back.

[kevinreetz]

Cool shirt! It made me laugh! Great idea by the way. Nice coaster...  LOL!

[AAL]

Outstanding idea!

[TheUnmaskedMagician]

Joe,

great idea

[imjeezsayin]

Great idea for what? Seems like a waste of time and petty grudge holding. I thought atheists hold themselves out as being all about intelligence and reason. This blows that image out of the water! Brings to mind the phrase "pissing in the wind". Whatever, it's your life...waste it on silly, petty crap if that's how you get your jollies!

[TheUnmaskedMagician]

imjeezsayin, Its about what one person can do to make the world a better place. it may not be much but it is better then nothing. I have more respect for people that do something and not just talk about it. I don't think it is a waste at all

[imjeezsayin]

1st, let me be clear it's the "cost them" by ordering the books that I don't see as helpful. It really seems mean spirited. I agree people should work for causes. If your cause is for separation of church & state, I'm on that too. If it is to belittle people for their beliefs and "cost them" or to rid the world of religion...I don't agree that's respectable. Work for understanding and for your rights with sound discussion & you'll get more respect. We share the earth and we're diverse.

[aajoeyjo]

Mean spirited you say? Have you ever read the Bible?

We Atheists are routinely lied about and told we're going to burn in hell.

WE are not the mean spirited ones. WE won't punish you forever over a simple disagreement.

[imjeezsayin]

cont..

I spent a lot of time on the Amazon Religion Forum, so I'm used to the slams against religion by atheists. It's unproductive. I don't see the point in trying to express my religious conviction to an atheist, nor do I care to challenge their atheism. Respecting each other & working to preserve the constitutional rights of all citizens is a worthy goal. That can't be done with insults or trickery. Why can't we strive for this TOGETHER!

[imjeezsayin]

BTW, I have several posts on youtubes about Westboro Baptist Church and have personally emailed them. I abhor them and find them to be one of the biggest challenges for finding peace and respect in this country....I'm not just trying to single out atheists.

[TheUnmaskedMagician]

let me just make one more point. I know not all christians are jerks about the christian religion. its the ones who are that make the rest look bad. and to be fair there are atheist jerks too

[imjeezsayin]

TUM, I agree with you. So, what to do with it? I personally try to insist the constitution be upheld. I try to convince Christians who insist on calling this a Christian Nation that they are deceived. In fact I plan to create a blog for that. I seek to make a secular issue just that, so I don't resort to insulting atheists. You seem reasonable, maybe aligning yourself with this negative stuff IS a waste of your ability to have constructive dialog, w/the topic of citizens rights. I have them 2.

[aajoeyjo]

Why? The WBC takes the Bible more seriously than most Christian churches. They're only going with the spirit of the Bible. Read it!

In fact the Westboro Baptist Church doesn't go far enough for their god. In Leviticus, it says clearly that God wants his people to KILL anyone who has gay sex, on sight.

Christians who fail to agree with this attitude amaze me. You push your Bible on us, and then turn around and openly ignore and disobey it. Why?

[imjeezsayin]

OK, I've seen this same argument from other atheist. I think what you are missing here is that more Christians than you realize want to allow you your freedom. Why when one, such as myself, does this do you then attack MY Christianity and say WBC is a better example. The Bible is complex and they are cherry picking what supports hate. I take the greatest commandment and go from there. All else hinges on that. Continued in next post due to space...

[aajoeyjo]

I don't think you've mentioned YOUR Christianity yet. lol

[imjeezsayin]

I mentioned that I'm a Christian & that rather than get into defending that my goal is to defend the constitution for ALL of us. If your goal is not that, but rather to tear down Christians who support freedom of religion & separation of church & state then I'm wasting my time here. I would think you would welcome dialog w/Christians who want your rights protected, instead your attempt is to belittle. My personal religious beliefs are irrelevant to protecting rights.

[aajoeyjo]

Would you please cite an example of my comments or videos in which I "tear down Christians"?

I know lots of Christians say they support state/church separation, but it's very rare when I find one who acknowledges that Christianity has already been shoved into government, both in word and in stone, way too much.

Do you think "In God we trust" should be on our money? "Under God" in our Pledge of Allegiance? Presidential Prayer Breakfasts? Congressional chaplains? No taxation of churches?

[imjeezsayin]

..there are different ways to interpret the Bible and WBC is using a very legalistic, literal method with a heart of hatred. To choose to say THEY are obeying over those who follow the greatest commandment is to side with contention. I'd rather stick to the issue than to defend my faith..I'm not asking you to defend atheism. I'm questioning the sensibility of the approach here. But I'm wondering if your goal is similar to WBC, to perpetuate division and hatred. Cont...

[imjeezsayin]

cont...

I've been to your website and applaud what your doing for homeless people. SO, you certainly aren't just on one negative crusade. I just don't see why when I am trying to work for the same thing (respect of the constitution) that you care to question and insult my beliefs differing from WBC. How can you respect them? Because they support your disdain for religion? I know it's harder to work together..easier to be black/white on issues, but most of use are peaceable.

[aajoeyjo]

What parts of the Constitution are you advocating respect for?

I can't respect anyone who takes the Bible literally. It's just a little more extreme coming from people who push it literally on us, while not taking it literally themselves.

[TheUnmaskedMagician]

all I can say is I wish more religious people were like you. thats cool you respect people who believe something differnt then you. the problem is alott of Christians want to push what they believe on others. they don't see things the way you do. one example is way of the master.

[aajoeyjo]

Remember how the Boy Scouts of America went through a real purge of their membership a few years ago? Remember why?

WE have to live together with people who hate us because their religion instructed them to. WE compromise and co-exist. THEY want us deported, and sometimes say so.

WE are not intolerant, and since we're in such a minority, we can't be either.

[mcleayf1]

I read all three, it made me sick at how much suffereing is in those texts. just about spun my head around. I was waiting for the green vomit. nope FAIRY TALES.

[RedDaVincy]

Joe, I'm on the MORMON CHALLENGE to see if reading the BoM improves your sleeping patterns in two weeks.

[StopEvangelismNow]

Great ideas!!!! STABILISE WOBBLY TABLES! (That would make a cute bumper sticker.People would surely ask about it !)

I think it would be neat to get many people to order free holy books and then have a public bonfire..say..on the winter or summer solstice..and dance round the fire and sing :)

[StraightGodless]

Living in Utah I have a Book of Mormon, Bible, and Pearl of Great Price (Mormon book). I can probably get a Koran from the Islamic Society of Salt Lake City for free probably (I will not buy from them). I'm all set!

[StraightGodless]

good to see a Texan against Bush.

[burnenstuff]

I guess they don't just mail the book of mormon to you any more since they came to my house. It might just be in my area though. Apperently thats who has been calling my cell phone. lol glad I only answer numbers I know.

[alienjesus2012]

I got a free quaran and book o mormon a couple years back

[5hud1nk]

the mormons want to come to my house to give me the bible now, guess they can keep the book, because im not letting them in my home

[burnenstuff]

lol the mormon guys showed up at my house to give me the bible. but no one ever comes in the fence since they don't know if there are dogs in the yard. Not even the pizza guy dares enter the yard.

[5hud1nk]

ok, they finally left the bible, but now they continually come to my house and knock forever until they realise no one answers the door

[Katalyzt]

Fixing unstable furniture, and coasters are a good use for all "holy" books.

Katalyzt

[AtheistAtLARGE]

took you forever to do this lol

[aajoeyjo]

AAL - True that. I have a lot of other old ideas I haven't made videos about yet as well. A mention in Debate Faith would be helpful. :o)

[burnenstuff]

Are there any more free holy books I can order?

[aajoeyjo]

burnenstuff - I'm sure there are. Just do a Google search for "free..." and then the name of the holy book in question. I'm going to do that a bit more myself.

[mrlurp]

I grew up Mormon and had to read both till I was eighteen but I still love my mom very much regardless of what she made me do. See us Atheist do forgive.

[burnenstuff]

I just ordered the free Koran and now I'm trying to figure out the mormon website so I can get the book of mormon too. Wonder what other books are for free?

[Mahoivlich]

Another reason scientists have trouble keeping up as they cannot afford to hand out their books for free as they don't have a bottomless pit of money. It is a good thing however that the majority of the faithful are not big on "reading".

[kurtilein3]

mahoivlich: a good thing? most religious people wouldnt be religious if they would actually read their holy books. i meet christians that are completely unaware of the content of the bible all the time.

[Mahoivlich]

Ya you are right my bad.