Geez, sucking the MLM teet. Don't join this, or any other company, until you pay me. She's just as big a crook as the people who run the MLM pyramids.
MLM's are great vehicles to marketing product. They have lower or no overhead and they help a lot of people. Why many don't succeed in them is probably because they were not coachable; did not work hard or intelligently enough and so figure that the system does not work and it is a scam. It works if you work.
There are scams and there are scams. One of the biggest scams out there are the banks. They are happy to get you into a nice, safe GIC or CD with pays you a little interest, then they turn around and invest your money on the world market and make ten times what you are making. Or, they turn around and give it back to you in a loan at two or three times the interest that they are giving you in the silly savings plan they gave you.. They don't tell you those things, do they?
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well don video clip Angela; Finally someone with some common sense telling it like it is. I've been a tax accountant for the past 33 years and this business model is the best business model I've been exposed to. I disagree with your statement about hard close or hard sell this business, we do not do that at all, we simply share an idea and help others to become successful. We have 15 high level training sites, boot camps, etc that teach much more than cave man marketing. Times have changed!
Angela.. this is horse crap.. its a rip off buisiness.. I BELIEVE THE NEWS!! FHTM have been sued and were shut down in 2 states for fraud.. FHTM Is an illegal pyramid scheme.. stated in several News stations.. I dont believe the news was a former anything of this company..
That definition of "pyramid scheme" really fits this company. Yes, they offer products that are over priced and that can be attained without FHTM. The focus is on recruiting. Not knocking the industry or people who aspire to work for themselves. This company has no integrity and those who are "in" don't want see or to hear that.
Wow, just an fyi network marketing (pyramid scams) are being taught not only in the charlotte/mecklenburg school system but almost all the major universities in NC. Hmm somehow these ignorant scam talks don't hold as much weight as they once did
The first thing they ask you when you want to be a representative online is your checking routing number and your account number so they have the power to make a fortune out of you!
By that description of a Pyramid Scheme then FHTM would fit the bill. It's definitely a pyramid but not necessarily a scheme. They don't encourage you to make money by selling their products, they entice you to buy their products because they offer great benefits for building a network. It's smart and obviously it works but it's not a bank. Only banks can pull money out of thin air. Whatever profit you make comes out of someones pocket. If only 3% succeed, they have 97% of that money.
@ XjetPilot72- Jobs- thats your awnser. its asses like you why the world is what it is. Fhtm is real, i got out of the navy about a year ago and got a JOB. and guess what that got me... NOTHING. I do Fortune part time now and im making more money then i am at my JOB. I will be doing fortune full time in January. so before you flap your jaw learn what the hell your talking about.
@npruneda1 This is a pyramid scheme. As proof I suggest you go a month WITHOUT selling your crap to someone else and see how much "real residual income" you get. Since 99.9% of your earnings come from the people you con into signing up, and the people they sign up, I'd say you'd be real happy about having that job once everyone figures out that all you're doing is gradually handing the money up to the owners of FHTM. As opposed to earning any.
If FHTM was a scam, why would large name companies such as Dish, Dupont, and many major Wireless companies do business with them? Why would Walmart do business with them? If it was a scam, do you really thing these Corporations would have their names smeered with a small company such as Fortune High Tech Marketing.
@nustileromeo Actually if you contact the companies they're NOT affiliated with FHTM in ANY WAY outside of third party. Meaning they do not endorse them. FHTM is just second had selling via a web program. You can do that on your own WITHOUT these guys. And probably make more doing it.
Prove it! I'd like to see you come up with a way to get residual income every month from the billing you set up. You can get a one time fee, but after that you don't have a prayer of being paid. Research your facts before you run your mouth!!!!!
@Friebis56 This comment was in regards to a comment made about the COMPANIES dealing with FHTM. I was pointing out that these companies do not directly endorse or deal with second hand sellers. Not a comment regarding residual income. As a matter of fact true residual income is practically impossible because your "residual" customers are the ones signing up for recurring bills. Phones, satellite, cable tv/internet. They are not permanent and are prone to cancelling after some time.
@Friebis56 cont. Be it for upgrades or better offers. Meaning unless you sign them up you LOSE your residual from them. And actually you can set yourself up as a free agent and refer to websites like amazon, walmart, and several wireless vendors and make "spiffs". Or income off your sales. Just a decent website with a billion tags and a ton of hyperlinks that I'm too lazy to build. Hey Frieb... I found your idiot.
@nustileromeo These companies are in it to make money. They do not endorse FHTM in any way and have no more than a 3rd party relationship. Get the products and services on your own as an affiliate. It will be cheaper, you can still market to the end consumer, earn a residual income and there is no start up fee or annual maintenance fee.
While they claim to sell products they make most of their money on fees. Your comission on the sale of products is so low its ridiculous. Its a pyramid scheme based on recruiting people to pay fees to sell their "products". Don't fall for this BS.
yea you act like fhtm actually has products or partners with companies, though any person can do this without fhtm. other companies laugh at this. not legit.
ARTICLE ON NEW JERSEY LAW: SELLING THE RIGHT TO SELL THE SAME RIGHT TO SELL: APPLYING THE CONSUMER FRAUD ACT, THE UNIFORM SECURITIES LAW AND THE CRIMINAL CODE TO PYRAMID SCHEMES......KEEP OUT!
FHTM does not have any of their own products . FHTM is a 3rd party representative to all of the companies which anybody can become. In fact, Dish Network and some of the others say they have nothing to do with FHTM. The real money is being made from recruiting people into the business. This is a pyramid scheme and this company is illegal in most states . FHTM is currently under investigation by the attorney generals office in NC and is in a class action lawsuit in a couple of other states
FHTM does not have any of their own products . FHTM is a 3rd party representative to all of the companies which anybody can become. In fact, Dish Network and some of the others say they have nothing to do with FHTM. The real money is being made from recruiting people into the business. This is a pyramid scheme and this company is illegal in most states . FHTM is currently under investigation by the attorney generals office in NC and is in a class action lawsuit in a couple of other states
@rikk1229 I have been selling Dish and Front Point Security through FHTM. I get paid $50 for each and a residual income based on the billing. So what are you talking about?
@fhtmrisingstar1 Really? I was an Executive with fortune so don't tell me how amazing their residual is, its a joke unless you like to get 2 or 3 cents a month. the lions share of income comes from people getting in the business.
You obviously dont understand what makes FHTM a scam.Do youu have any idea how much product is sold outside reps. FHTM IS A PYRAMID SCHEME!!!!!! You dont read enough.
@divabikinis If a company offers products or services then it is not a pyramid scheme. You need to call your local state attorney generals office and they will tell you that you do not know what a pyramid scheme is!
pimpdaddyd69 Bird Brain is a complement they are the second smartest brains on the planet right behind humans/primates then pigs then dogs yours comes in around a toad stools intelligence. sorry you got scamed me Ill keep my 99.95 and my 24.95 a month
@herbalizer1978 So if it's a scam then I guess two former state attorneys messed up when reading through the paper work? I have been in FHTM for some time now and have been making more money off it than working as a Lineman. This is a simple and perfectly legal operation that is going on, you need to be motivated and put hard work into doing this like Angela says. The reason people fail is because they do not put in the time or the effort like you would do at any other job.
nor do they approve of their business ethics oh and that nice building they call their home office well they dont even own the property now If Im making money like FHTM Im gonna buy the property you have heard the saying if its too good to be true it probably is as of right now FHTM is not a transparent company no its more smoke and mirrors dont be a sucker!
LMFAO you people are dumb FHTM is a SCAM!!! why is it they dont try to sell items??? no they try to get you to bring in others to do the work for you and so on and so on oh and those supposed Companies they rep at FHTM LIKE GE and Others most have never heard of FHTM
Man I love how every "Is FHTM a scam" video is friggin identical, almost like they were 'brainwashed' to say the exact same thing, they all start out the same, same tone, same lure you in with a rhetorical question, same opinion-based views.
There are 3 kinds of authors, those who never did what they are talking about, those who tried and failed, and those who tried and succeeded. Only one of these author types is reliable.
to all you simple minded people fhtm is not a scam it is a way of life that you bird brain morons cant figure out . you can make money with fhtm i am it takes hard work and time to do this isnt that what we already do.fhtm found it easy to do so now i dont have to go to work give my time to make someone richer now i spend my time making myself richer more time with my kids and wife so you can think what you want that fine i guess you simple minded americans are living the american dream HA
@VeneciaVL LMFAO, you just compared an anarchist and terrorist to possibly one of the most pro-american, pro-democracy, all around humanist alive. Look him in the eye, shake his hand like I have, then repost what you just said.
Did another one bite the Dust? It appears as if FHTM reps can no longer sell Verizon Wireless. The Wireless Shop only displayed plans and phones for Sprint, T-Mobile and Nextel. Simplexity is still an authorized dealer of Verizon Wireless according to the disclaimer on the bottom of the page but FHTM is NOT! See for yourself. What does this mean to all of the current FHTM reps? They lost the ability to market for 2 largest cellular phone providers in the past 30 days.
Visit fhtmclassaction dot info for a copy of the latest D&B report of FHTM. They do NOT have a 3A1 rating and have not since 2004. What a surprise that is....hehehehehe
THEY SALE THE SAME PRODUCTS AT WALMART, CVS, GNC....I DON'T GET IT AND I JUST JOINED LAST MONTH...SPEAKING OF TRUE ESSENSIALS PRODUCTS...WHAT'S THE POINT
Rumor has it that FHTM is about to implode as 4 of its top money earners seek other companies for their teams. How much will the quasi-leaders be paid to convince you to go elsewhere now. I bet it upwards of a Million. Good luck!
FHTM named as a company under investigation as part of the Nationwide Joint Investigation between FTC and Attorneys General known as "Operation Empty Promises"
What is a lie? Yes, they have 2 FORMER (from WWII) on their staff and they have been in more trouble since they were hired than in the previous 10 years. Read the press release from NC DOJ and you will see it is 100% TRUE!
Another lie revealed - Our right to use DuPont’s name, logo and trademark was revoked because FHTM Representatives abused the FHTM Marketing Policy by creating and distributing unapproved marketing materials that displayed the DuPont logo.
Good word. I have 3 friends making good money in this company. i was thinking about joining. i used to make more than my friend bobby now it seems he works less than me but now he makes way more than me.
USA Today published another article claiming MLM reps make no money except the chosen few. It also discusses Todd Rowland and the self proclaimed "King of Crap" Ruel Morton. Interesting reading.
true words! you know what you're talking about.
yinyinchada 1 week ago
Geez, sucking the MLM teet. Don't join this, or any other company, until you pay me. She's just as big a crook as the people who run the MLM pyramids.
JWCinPDX 1 week ago
MLM's are great vehicles to marketing product. They have lower or no overhead and they help a lot of people. Why many don't succeed in them is probably because they were not coachable; did not work hard or intelligently enough and so figure that the system does not work and it is a scam. It works if you work.
MyMagic111 1 month ago
There are scams and there are scams. One of the biggest scams out there are the banks. They are happy to get you into a nice, safe GIC or CD with pays you a little interest, then they turn around and invest your money on the world market and make ten times what you are making. Or, they turn around and give it back to you in a loan at two or three times the interest that they are giving you in the silly savings plan they gave you.. They don't tell you those things, do they?
MyMagic111 1 month ago
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Blaine700 2 months ago
I am glad I watched this video before I joined.
powerofone321 3 months ago
well don video clip Angela; Finally someone with some common sense telling it like it is. I've been a tax accountant for the past 33 years and this business model is the best business model I've been exposed to. I disagree with your statement about hard close or hard sell this business, we do not do that at all, we simply share an idea and help others to become successful. We have 15 high level training sites, boot camps, etc that teach much more than cave man marketing. Times have changed!
Friebis56 4 months ago
Just the fact that you felt the need to create this rebuttal video says it all.
aquaganda 4 months ago
Angela.. this is horse crap.. its a rip off buisiness.. I BELIEVE THE NEWS!! FHTM have been sued and were shut down in 2 states for fraud.. FHTM Is an illegal pyramid scheme.. stated in several News stations.. I dont believe the news was a former anything of this company..
CathieTimian 5 months ago
@CathieTimian do you believe everything you watch on t.v.
JuniorCubed 3 months ago
That definition of "pyramid scheme" really fits this company. Yes, they offer products that are over priced and that can be attained without FHTM. The focus is on recruiting. Not knocking the industry or people who aspire to work for themselves. This company has no integrity and those who are "in" don't want see or to hear that.
Successmate 5 months ago
Wow, just an fyi network marketing (pyramid scams) are being taught not only in the charlotte/mecklenburg school system but almost all the major universities in NC. Hmm somehow these ignorant scam talks don't hold as much weight as they once did
troubleshootn 5 months ago
All businesses that require you to recruit other people are pyramid schemes...
Omnisense 5 months ago
amway is scam too? please don't talk to much girl? you talkinh garbage,,,
marysantana4 6 months ago
The first thing they ask you when you want to be a representative online is your checking routing number and your account number so they have the power to make a fortune out of you!
am2midnite 6 months ago
By that description of a Pyramid Scheme then FHTM would fit the bill. It's definitely a pyramid but not necessarily a scheme. They don't encourage you to make money by selling their products, they entice you to buy their products because they offer great benefits for building a network. It's smart and obviously it works but it's not a bank. Only banks can pull money out of thin air. Whatever profit you make comes out of someones pocket. If only 3% succeed, they have 97% of that money.
ghs57 6 months ago
@ XjetPilot72- Jobs- thats your awnser. its asses like you why the world is what it is. Fhtm is real, i got out of the navy about a year ago and got a JOB. and guess what that got me... NOTHING. I do Fortune part time now and im making more money then i am at my JOB. I will be doing fortune full time in January. so before you flap your jaw learn what the hell your talking about.
npruneda1 6 months ago
@npruneda1 This is a pyramid scheme. As proof I suggest you go a month WITHOUT selling your crap to someone else and see how much "real residual income" you get. Since 99.9% of your earnings come from the people you con into signing up, and the people they sign up, I'd say you'd be real happy about having that job once everyone figures out that all you're doing is gradually handing the money up to the owners of FHTM. As opposed to earning any.
seshauf 5 months ago
There's a moron born every day, you are the winner today!
Friebis56 4 months ago
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@seshauf - There's a moron born every day, you are today's winner!!!
Friebis56 4 months ago
If FHTM was a scam, why would large name companies such as Dish, Dupont, and many major Wireless companies do business with them? Why would Walmart do business with them? If it was a scam, do you really thing these Corporations would have their names smeered with a small company such as Fortune High Tech Marketing.
nustileromeo 6 months ago
@nustileromeo Actually if you contact the companies they're NOT affiliated with FHTM in ANY WAY outside of third party. Meaning they do not endorse them. FHTM is just second had selling via a web program. You can do that on your own WITHOUT these guys. And probably make more doing it.
seshauf 5 months ago
Prove it! I'd like to see you come up with a way to get residual income every month from the billing you set up. You can get a one time fee, but after that you don't have a prayer of being paid. Research your facts before you run your mouth!!!!!
Friebis56 4 months ago
@Friebis56 This comment was in regards to a comment made about the COMPANIES dealing with FHTM. I was pointing out that these companies do not directly endorse or deal with second hand sellers. Not a comment regarding residual income. As a matter of fact true residual income is practically impossible because your "residual" customers are the ones signing up for recurring bills. Phones, satellite, cable tv/internet. They are not permanent and are prone to cancelling after some time.
seshauf 4 months ago
@Friebis56 cont. Be it for upgrades or better offers. Meaning unless you sign them up you LOSE your residual from them. And actually you can set yourself up as a free agent and refer to websites like amazon, walmart, and several wireless vendors and make "spiffs". Or income off your sales. Just a decent website with a billion tags and a ton of hyperlinks that I'm too lazy to build. Hey Frieb... I found your idiot.
seshauf 4 months ago
@nustileromeo These companies are in it to make money. They do not endorse FHTM in any way and have no more than a 3rd party relationship. Get the products and services on your own as an affiliate. It will be cheaper, you can still market to the end consumer, earn a residual income and there is no start up fee or annual maintenance fee.
Successmate 5 months ago
@Successmate they wanted 100 from me to start.
leanonme1 4 months ago
@leanonme1 that's it! wow sounds great.
JuniorCubed 3 months ago
Its a big scam do not sign up and give them money..... You are wrong and are trying to get people to SIGN up so u can make money. Try again lil girl
selitafine 6 months ago
You want to make money, get a fucking, god-damn job!!! FTHM is a SCAM - PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
XJetPilot72 6 months ago
Don't drink the kool-aid kids!
gynocide 7 months ago
While they claim to sell products they make most of their money on fees. Your comission on the sale of products is so low its ridiculous. Its a pyramid scheme based on recruiting people to pay fees to sell their "products". Don't fall for this BS.
worfratt 7 months ago
yea you act like fhtm actually has products or partners with companies, though any person can do this without fhtm. other companies laugh at this. not legit.
hippoguys88 8 months ago
ARTICLE ON NEW JERSEY LAW: SELLING THE RIGHT TO SELL THE SAME RIGHT TO SELL: APPLYING THE CONSUMER FRAUD ACT, THE UNIFORM SECURITIES LAW AND THE CRIMINAL CODE TO PYRAMID SCHEMES......KEEP OUT!
78KOOLman 8 months ago
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FHTM does not have any of their own products . FHTM is a 3rd party representative to all of the companies which anybody can become. In fact, Dish Network and some of the others say they have nothing to do with FHTM. The real money is being made from recruiting people into the business. This is a pyramid scheme and this company is illegal in most states . FHTM is currently under investigation by the attorney generals office in NC and is in a class action lawsuit in a couple of other states
tom79g 9 months ago
FHTM does not have any of their own products . FHTM is a 3rd party representative to all of the companies which anybody can become. In fact, Dish Network and some of the others say they have nothing to do with FHTM. The real money is being made from recruiting people into the business. This is a pyramid scheme and this company is illegal in most states . FHTM is currently under investigation by the attorney generals office in NC and is in a class action lawsuit in a couple of other states
tom79g 9 months ago 2
It is a Pyramid scheme! You have to sign up others to make any money.. period!
Gmikevw 9 months ago
its all from recruiting thats it, if you think you will get any residual income from them dont give up your day job
rikk1229 9 months ago
@rikk1229 I have been selling Dish and Front Point Security through FHTM. I get paid $50 for each and a residual income based on the billing. So what are you talking about?
fhtmrisingstar1 6 months ago
@fhtmrisingstar1 Really? I was an Executive with fortune so don't tell me how amazing their residual is, its a joke unless you like to get 2 or 3 cents a month. the lions share of income comes from people getting in the business.
rikk1229 6 months ago
You obviously dont understand what makes FHTM a scam.Do youu have any idea how much product is sold outside reps. FHTM IS A PYRAMID SCHEME!!!!!! You dont read enough.
divabikinis 9 months ago
@divabikinis If a company offers products or services then it is not a pyramid scheme. You need to call your local state attorney generals office and they will tell you that you do not know what a pyramid scheme is!
fhtmrisingstar1 6 months ago
SCAM - SCAM - SCAM
Ask the people who got in and quit in under 30 days when they found out the truth.
secretmillionaire100 9 months ago
its a pyramid because 99 percent of the money is paid only by recruiting. not from the sales of product
rikk1229 9 months ago in playlist FHTM
@rikk1229 So where does all the money come from???? The $100 to become a manager won't cover much...
danan222 9 months ago
So where does the money come?? The $100 to join doesn't go very far!!!!
danan222 9 months ago
pimpdaddyd69 Bird Brain is a complement they are the second smartest brains on the planet right behind humans/primates then pigs then dogs yours comes in around a toad stools intelligence. sorry you got scamed me Ill keep my 99.95 and my 24.95 a month
herbalizer1978 9 months ago
@herbalizer1978 So if it's a scam then I guess two former state attorneys messed up when reading through the paper work? I have been in FHTM for some time now and have been making more money off it than working as a Lineman. This is a simple and perfectly legal operation that is going on, you need to be motivated and put hard work into doing this like Angela says. The reason people fail is because they do not put in the time or the effort like you would do at any other job.
Pagliarulo22 9 months ago
nor do they approve of their business ethics oh and that nice building they call their home office well they dont even own the property now If Im making money like FHTM Im gonna buy the property you have heard the saying if its too good to be true it probably is as of right now FHTM is not a transparent company no its more smoke and mirrors dont be a sucker!
herbalizer1978 9 months ago
LMFAO you people are dumb FHTM is a SCAM!!! why is it they dont try to sell items??? no they try to get you to bring in others to do the work for you and so on and so on oh and those supposed Companies they rep at FHTM LIKE GE and Others most have never heard of FHTM
herbalizer1978 9 months ago
Man I love how every "Is FHTM a scam" video is friggin identical, almost like they were 'brainwashed' to say the exact same thing, they all start out the same, same tone, same lure you in with a rhetorical question, same opinion-based views.
There are 3 kinds of authors, those who never did what they are talking about, those who tried and failed, and those who tried and succeeded. Only one of these author types is reliable.
leopardsbasketball 9 months ago
to all you simple minded people fhtm is not a scam it is a way of life that you bird brain morons cant figure out . you can make money with fhtm i am it takes hard work and time to do this isnt that what we already do.fhtm found it easy to do so now i dont have to go to work give my time to make someone richer now i spend my time making myself richer more time with my kids and wife so you can think what you want that fine i guess you simple minded americans are living the american dream HA
pimpdaddyd69 10 months ago
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VeneciaVL 10 months ago
@VeneciaVL LMFAO, you just compared an anarchist and terrorist to possibly one of the most pro-american, pro-democracy, all around humanist alive. Look him in the eye, shake his hand like I have, then repost what you just said.
leopardsbasketball 9 months ago
this shit is a scam
DavidToddSchiesler 10 months ago
@DavidToddSchiesler
please make your argument>>>>>>>>
oSOLJA4CHRISTo 10 months ago
Did you quit yet Angela?
divabikinis 10 months ago
Did another one bite the Dust? It appears as if FHTM reps can no longer sell Verizon Wireless. The Wireless Shop only displayed plans and phones for Sprint, T-Mobile and Nextel. Simplexity is still an authorized dealer of Verizon Wireless according to the disclaimer on the bottom of the page but FHTM is NOT! See for yourself. What does this mean to all of the current FHTM reps? They lost the ability to market for 2 largest cellular phone providers in the past 30 days.
divabikinis 11 months ago
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Visit fhtmclassaction dot info for a copy of the latest D&B report of FHTM. They do NOT have a 3A1 rating and have not since 2004. What a surprise that is....hehehehehe
divabikinis 11 months ago
THEY SALE THE SAME PRODUCTS AT WALMART, CVS, GNC....I DON'T GET IT AND I JUST JOINED LAST MONTH...SPEAKING OF TRUE ESSENSIALS PRODUCTS...WHAT'S THE POINT
TBaby91110 11 months ago
ABC NEWS WAS LYING?
TBaby91110 11 months ago
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Rumor has it that FHTM is about to implode as 4 of its top money earners seek other companies for their teams. How much will the quasi-leaders be paid to convince you to go elsewhere now. I bet it upwards of a Million. Good luck!
divabikinis 11 months ago
FHTM named as a company under investigation as part of the Nationwide Joint Investigation between FTC and Attorneys General known as "Operation Empty Promises"
divabikinis 1 year ago
@divabikinis Noooo, actually that is a blatant lie. In-fact FHTM has two former attorney generals on its staff Bob Stephan and Chris Gorman.
RatcliffRichard 11 months ago
@RatcliffRichard
What is a lie? Yes, they have 2 FORMER (from WWII) on their staff and they have been in more trouble since they were hired than in the previous 10 years. Read the press release from NC DOJ and you will see it is 100% TRUE!
divabikinis 11 months ago
Another lie revealed - Our right to use DuPont’s name, logo and trademark was revoked because FHTM Representatives abused the FHTM Marketing Policy by creating and distributing unapproved marketing materials that displayed the DuPont logo.
divabikinis 1 year ago
Good word. I have 3 friends making good money in this company. i was thinking about joining. i used to make more than my friend bobby now it seems he works less than me but now he makes way more than me.
So thanks for the advice. I'M GONNA DO IT
TwylightPro 1 year ago
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USA Today published another article claiming MLM reps make no money except the chosen few. It also discusses Todd Rowland and the self proclaimed "King of Crap" Ruel Morton. Interesting reading.
divabikinis 1 year ago