David and Jonathan (a Gay Love in the Bible)

[TheNolo73]

@DEVORRA7 You refused to comment or debate my comparisons I made with regard to women.So, goodbye. I just hope everyone else: women, those who have had ancestors in slavery, those who eat shellfish, those who wear certain types of clothing, Jews... the list goes on, that the Bible is to be respected for the positive aspects it brought to the world but that it should be updated and not used to exclude or judge anyone. Go by the individual person. Get to know a Gay person. :)

[TheNolo73]

@DEVORRA7 Silence The Woman!

"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)

Shut up Devorra. Your Bible says not to speak to a man in any way. You are inferior. How do you like them apples?

[Gayfreewill]

@DEVORRA7 Why use the bible as a source of truth? It is not truth? Homosexuality is a fact in nature and all you need to do is open your eyes. The bible is written by men who want to control people so hence to "don't do this or don't do that B.S."

There is no hell either. People have to be extremely unintelligent and deluded to believe in that. Your problem is you don't think. You have zero common sense, logic and reason. You don't like reality cause it conflicts with your bible.

[DEVORRA7]

@Gayfreewill Excuse me, but this is you "have zero common sense, logic and reason" :))) You have so corrupt mind that call these unnatural useless and disgusting relations "logic and natural")))

Sorry, but rectum is for another deeds)) And it DOESNT HAVE ANY SENSE TO PUT SPERM IN IT!! This is just disgusting! And you will have problems with health and mind in future because of your perversion!

[Gayfreewill]

@DEVORRA7 Your religious and your brain is fried, toast ,wasted so i don't expect you to understand. Straight men screw women up the ass too. I don't do that because i don't want to. BUt if others find it pleasing then who am I to stop them and who are you to stop them. It is none of you business. Do your self a favor and open up your eyes. Clean all the blood you have on your hands from your anti-gay attitudes that have killed so many youths who are gay. You have blood on your hands!!

[DEVORRA7]

@Gayfreewill I do not have "blood on my hands". I tell the truth.And God clearly says to His people:" When I say to a wicked man, 'You will surely die,' and you DO NOT WARN him or SPEAK OUT TO DISSUADE HIM FROM HIS EVIL WAYS IN ORDER TO SAVE HIS LIFE , that wicked man WILL DIE FOR HIS SIN, and I will HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE FOR HIS BLOOD. "/Ezekiel 3:18/

So, its you have blood on your hands-because you distort Gods Word to justify your sin! And you will answer for everyone believes you!!

[TheNolo73]

@DEVORRA7 "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything." (Ephesians 5:22-24)

[Gayfreewill]

@TheNolo73 So what? Do you want me really to recite all the passages where "god" says to wipe out this tribe and that one and take the women for your own selves etc? You want me to give you the names of all the polygamists in the bible, your heroes such as Abraham, Jacob, and Solomon to name a few? You want me to point to the multitudes of sick kids who died because their dumb ass christian parents believed in Jesus rather than a REAL physician? If you have faith get rid of your doctors idiots.

[TheNolo73]

@Gayfreewill I think you missed my point or just replied to the wrong comment. Devorra7 is quoting from the bible her justifications for Gays not being in God's plan so I returned the favor by using the Bible to tell her to shut up. If she can be equal to men in the eyes of God, then we can be equal too. Look at my Channel man. :)

[Gayfreewill]

@TheNolo73 There are 7 billion people in the world. Hundreds of millions of them gay. But still the world is over populated. Are your eyes missing from your head, or is your brain not able to reason? Surely you have seen gay , effeminate men/boys with their inborn, natural characterics, mannerisms, facial features etc, in other words some are so obvious you have to be a complete dunce not to see that gay people did not make themselves that way. But you xtians are too stupid to see reality.

[DEVORRA7]

@TheNolo73 “And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out My Spirit on ALL FLESH; YOUR SONS AND YOUR DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHESY.."/Joel 2:28/

Then again Paul says:"I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a servant of the church at Cenchreae..for she has been a patron of many and of myself as well."Romans 16:2 In other translations -she was a deacon or a ministrant.

So, women can be a helper, she can prophesy and can tell about Jesus and His words! She cannot be a pastor, church leader.

[TheNolo73]

@DEVORRA7 Sorry, you're nitpicking again. Phoebe was given permission not you if you're going to go by your Bible. It is clear by your Bible what it says for the rest of women. How does it feel I wonder? Your not a prophet are you?

[DEVORRA7]

@TheNolo73 If Phoebe was allowed to be a deacon then every women who is Christian can)) Is it so hard to understand? :)) Jesus clearly says:“GO into all the world and PREACH the good news to all creation... And these signs will accompany those who believe: .. they will speak in new tongues.."Mark 16:15

Jesus DIDNT say-ONLY men can preach gospel, only men will speak tongues etc..Women also speak tongues, can tell about Jesus & Gospel.Then again I dont teach I just tell what the Bible says!

[TheNolo73]

@DEVORRA7 No Devorra7 you do not have the authority to say every woman is to deacon, you must listen to your Bible exactly as it states. And you are not just telling what the Bible says because you continue to explain what you are reading in the Bible which is teaching and you give your opinions also which is preaching. You don't need a church to preach!

[DEVORRA7]

@TheNolo73 And why do you change topic?)) We are talking about homosex.-not women rights))) You also cannot stand the truth? ))

[TheNolo73]

@DEVORRA7 Devorra7 I am saddened that you do not see the point I am making. If you want everybody to literally follow the Bible then do not be a hypocrite! Just like You are using the Bible to enforce your hatred in the name of God, so can ANYBODY and call themselves Christian! You can find just about anybody, even animals in the Bible where it is okay to kill, enslave, or just not give any rights to by reading it. Can you not stand the truth?

[Gayfreewill]

@DEVORRA7 You rely on a book filled with errors, contradictions and false prophecies. Do a google search and be shocked. You christians have not changed over the centuries. You still have that crusader-like mentality that destroys people. You have much blood on your hands and are too ignorant to know it. YOu claim the truth but so do muslims, hindus, buddhists and so on. You think your special but you are deluded just like the rest of them. Face it: christianity does not add up.

[DEVORRA7]

@Gayfreewill Cannot stand the truth and the light? ))))Well, you have your free will and can live how you want.But I tell you the truth-you will reap diseases and problems with mind in future because of your disgusting unnatural perversion.Rectum for another deeds, sorry)))

And if you think that the Bible is full of contradictions so why have you made this video? It is based on the Bible,am I right?))) And it is clearly seen--you distort God's Word to justify your sin.

[Iamatheist1234]

@Gayfreewill I am pro choice and also support gay rights, but I am afraid this video is as much bull as your comment, your video is clearly suggesting that homosexuality is revealed in the bible( "what are your excuses christian") , so DEVORRA7's comment is merely pointing out the flaw of the message of this video. I am afraid the respond you give him about bible not being the truth is not a sufficient argument as you are merely changing the subject. At the same time self defeating.

[Iamatheist1234]

@Gayfreewill So my position is, don't use something you don't believe in as a source , if you use it, be honest with it, and as far as I am concern , the bible DID in fact said that homosexuality is a sin. Also the verses you provided with are not sufficient to prove that those two are "lover lovers", as far as I am concern those verses can refer to a number of relationships, good friends, vowed-brothers. "love" is not a privilege between lovers, I love my baby brother as my own and I think of .

[Iamatheist1234]

@Gayfreewill think of him all the time and I hope that he is happy, I watched him grew before he even started to walk and i took care of him as my "own soul", So I am afraid that the bible is not taking your side buddy, but then again, so what? what I have problem with some gay people is that they find "evidence" in bible and other source to support their sexuality, why bother? you are who you are, twisting the "word of God" is just as insulting to yourself as to religious people.

[rozaditahh]

the bible talks about sexual immoratily and men who have sex with other men. and the things it says are not good what so ever. how can the bible be right on some thing and not on the others? this is not what god meant. he meant brotherly love. how we should all love each other in the LOVE of CHRIST. he couldn't be possibly talking about gay love when he previously talks about gay men talking about how they need to repent. just clearing that out. God bless!!

[tim690213]

DAVID NEVER GAY SEX WITH JONATHAN, YOU DUMB ASS!

[rahjoys]

i dont read Bible much., but their story its not about that i think.... they were friends and a very close one., and it doesn't mean that they are gay? Read between the lines., every writers of each verses has a deeper meaning about the words and meanings that they used.,,, Open your eyes He only created Men and Women.

this is my opinion.

[jonnysonn]

Romans 1, 27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

[jeffrust01]

Judge not? You're also judging that David had a husband plus wives and concubines. The only thing those verses prove is that David and Jonathan were very close. What did "seed" refer to in the Old Testament? Offspring. There shall be a covenant between my kids and yours. As a gay man who hears from God, I would have no problem with Bible characters being gay. It just seems like you have to read into things and ignore some things to come to that conclusion. Ignoring his wives. Peace 2U

[latricechapman]

Read the Story in Genesis 19 about what happened as a result of Homosexual lifestyle.

[latricechapman]

Read the story of Sodom and Gommorah!!! He destroyed an entire city because of this lifestyle.

[Tommy4503]

@latricechapman He didn't destroy Sodom and Gomorrah because of homosexuality you idiot destroyed because they were hateful, uncaring, and had their heads up their assholes just like a lot white people in today's world.

[latricechapman]

Read the story of Sodom and Gommorah!!! He destroyed an entire city because of this lifestyle.

[David8024667]

@hule1186 You people always usually say, "The Bible says what it says and it also MEANS what it says." And, yet, in this situation, we hear you (and the likes of you) saying, "Oh, that Bible verse don't REALLY mean what it sounds as though it is saying. You are twisting the Bible around to suit your OWN purposes." NO! NO! NO! We are simply quoting the Bible. And, the Bible speaks for itself. Yet, YOU don't seem to like WHAT it says ... lol. That's funny!!! I LOVE IT!!!

[hule1186]

@David8024667 Dude that was 2 month ago. Whatever floats your boat...I will pray for you David!!

[Brittonsp]

Bros before Hoes.

[saNGleet]

what a coincidencem, my gay friend jonathan is in love with a guy named david nguyen. nice. haha. i pray they have a good life though

[Douger4u777]

All I have to say, I LOVE men!!! Nothing wrong with LOVE another human...:)...



[Gayfreewill]

@Douger4u777 I know what you mean. My love for men definitely surpasses the love of women. Thats just the way it is!

Peace.

Ray

[hule1186]

David and Johnathon were not gay..U people kill me with this. Always trying to twist scripture. How can God approve of homosexuality when clearly it states that it is an abomination to him?

You try and justify your lustful desires for another man or women and try and twist the Word of god to justify that...Sad

[Gayfreewill]

@hule1186 DAVID SAID" MY LOVE FOR YOU JONATHAN SURPASSES THE LOVE OF WOMEN"

End of Story.

Read the story for your self.

I personally don't have any faith in the bible and i see you don't either if you don't believe David said that. You apparently will make excuses and say"Oh it was just brotherly love" DO brothers kiss each other?

Stop being such a religious pious asswipe.

[hule1186]

@Gayfreewill U don't know what your talking about..Again stop quoting scripture if you don't know what it means.

Again you are trying to justify scripture to fit your lifestyle.. You don't have clue at what you are talking about..none

The rhetoric of your quote is clear , when you get offended you resort to name calling , which clearly states that you are guilty... Do me a favor and stop trying to justify your lustful desires for another man as being what God intended...Smh...Period

[hule1186]

@Gayfreewill was he gay then he married? So if he was gay why did he all of a sudden turn straight? I mean tell me cause inquire minds want to know..Didn't he have a relationship with Bathsheba? I mean how was he gay and all of a sudden became straight, tell me...? Again you don't know anything about the bible , only what you want to believe...This has nothing to do with religion , but everything to do with TRUTH!!! stop making excuses...

[Gayfreewill]

@hule1186 once again DAVID said, "My love for you Jonathan surpasses the love of women". They kissed. IF you believe the bible then you have to admit that happen. Yes he married and enjoyed woman but it was not as good as with Jonathan. HIm and Jonathan had what we call today gay love. It was just love to them and that's all it should be. You might call it bisexuality. Fact is David and Jonathan had it going on. Lots of "straight" men have gay relationships. That's a fact you should know.

[hule1186]

@Gayfreewill ...Really? Again you are making silly comments to justify your belief....When Johnathon and David met they became close friends at once. Their friendship is one of the deepest and closest recorded in the bible...(1) They based their friendship on commitment to God, not to each other: (2) They let nothing come between them, not even career or family problems; (3) they drew closer together when their friendship was tested; So show me where in the scriptures were they were both gay?

[Gayfreewill]

@hule1186 Gay couples kiss one another. They make commitments to each other. They emotionally are caught up in their partner and they weep in that love. Their souls are knit together and their love surpasses the love of women. It just so happens that your bible hero David and Jonathan had all of the above going on. Call it a coincidence if you wish. You believe the rest of the bible but this part you don't want to believe. Why? Because you are against two men loving one another.

[hule1186]

@Gayfreewill Riddle me this since you "THINK" your right!! In order for both David and Jonathan to engage in a sexual love affair implies they both sinned in adultery, a strict violation of the 7th commandment. So how could David, a man described by the Lord as having a heart after God, involve himself in such a grievous sin?"

2 Samuel 26 "My love for you Jonathan surpasses the love of women" clearly means David was restating the deep brotherhood and faithful "FRIENDSHIP" they had.

[Gayfreewill]

@hule1186 Good point to bring up. YES after Jonathan and David kissed, wept for each other and expressed their love for one another God was greatle pleased with David and said his heart was right and after god etc. Therefore there was obviously nothing wrong with the male to male affection. Ha!

Do you even know what surpass means? What don't you get about that verse? Do you know what "love of women" means? Well the "love of Men" was better to David. Got it? Good!

[hule1186]

@Gayfreewill Your arguments are utterly contrived, representing a person desperately grasping at any lexical "straw" to justify homosexual perversion.... They both wept over the separation of their friendship, but David wept even more than Jonathan. This simply speaks to his emotionally sensitive heart, which revealed itself in other times, particularly when he wept for his son Absalom after he was slain during his civil war against his father (2 Sam. 18:33).

Again, you don't know!!!

[Gayfreewill]

@hule1186 1Sam 18:14 says David behaved wisely in alll his ways. In 1 Sam 18:1-4" the soul of Jonathan was KNIT with the soul of David and J loved him as his own soul." A few verses later Jonathan strips his garments off.

In 1 Sam 20: 41.."and they KISSED one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded." (Original Tongues translation-1854 bible)

"exceeded" means to become large. aka Hard on.

No you won't find that in modern bibles but it was in there long ago.

[hule1186]

@Gayfreewill Like i said you are grasping at straws my friend...you are a person desperately grasping at any lexical "straw" to justify homosexual perversion...Whatever floats your boat...Just be sure cause no matter how you try and twist the scriptures to fit your lifestyle I'll keep praying for you.

Just be sure....peace

[Gayfreewill]

@hule1186 Looks like you don't have a good response so you write meaningless dribble. Very typical of christians backed into a corner by the very book they worship.

The bottomline is the bible is bullshit anyway. Written by prejudiced ignorant men. The errors, contradictions and false prophecies are many. I spent 5 yrs looking into it, examining the faith.

All your prayers and the many other mad christians have only brought me to a clearer understanding that the bible deserves no respect.

[David8024667]

@hule1186 TWISTING the Bible around to support our "sexual perversions"? It sounds like YOU are twisting the Bible around to CONDEMN gays (when the Bible does not condemn gays or homosexuality at all). Oh, yeah, it does condemn gay RAPE and INHOSPITALITY (as in Sodom and Gomorrah). And, it does condemn MALE CULTIC PROSTITUTION (as in the book of 1 Corinthians and Romans 1). But, where does it condemn the CONSENSUAL relationship between two men or two women? You can't find it. It's not there!

[hule1186]

@David8024667 you make no sense..

[David8024667]

@hule1186 Jesus said NOTHING about gays OR homosexuality. And, you would think if it was such a HORRIBLE "sin" as you say it is, Jesus (the very Son of GOD) would have said SOMETHING about it. But, He didn't. You know why?!!!? Because it wasn't all that important to Him. And, it wasn't a sin to Him. So, therefore, He didn't feel the need to say anything about it. Jesus hung out with the "outcasts" of His' day. Not that gays are outcasts. But, SOME sure seem to want to make them that way.

[hule1186]

@David8024667 Laughable...

[David8024667]

@hule1186 You show me ONE verse where God condemns gay people (or homosexuality). Ok? You cannot find them because they don't exist. Oh, you can take one verse (or even two or three verses) out of the Bible (and out of context, for that matter, too) and CLAIM that it shows God condemns gays (and homosexulity). But, does it really? I haven't found one single verse that actually DOES condemn gays (or homosexuality). Don't read your Bible through a biased or homophobic lense. Read it 4 what it says

[hule1186]

@David8024667 Ok I will. Actually u r reading to fit your lifestyle...

[David8024667]

@hule1186 And, ... I will continue praying for YOU (as you are judging me and millions of other people who YOU don't happen to understand. But, does that give you the right to judge us? NO!!!). They (David and Jonathon) KISSED each other. They LOVED each other. They were KNIT TOGETHER as one soul (kind of like what people say about a COUPLE who is MARRIED). David's love for Jonathon "surpassed the love of a WOMAN." What part of these Bible verses don't you get? It's NOT rocket science!!!

[hule1186]

@Gayfreewill I've been blessed with experiencing a handful of strong, affectionate friendship with other men during my life. Never was there any homosexual feelings on the part of myself or my friend. That was something that never crossed our minds once.

But of course in your twisted thinking you would suggest such a close friendship implies a homosexual eroticism. It doesn't, and it shouldn't, and it most certainly doesn't in the biblical record of David and Jonathan.

Enough said!!!!!!

[Gayfreewill]

@hule1186 YOu don't know all that David and Jonathan did. Not everything is written down.

Did you kiss your "handful of strong and affectionate friends?" David and Jonathan did. Did you weep for one another because simply you loved your friends that much? David and Jonathan did, i have too over a male partner. Did you ever say your love for your friends surpassed the love of women, your wife, girlfriend etc? David did.

What happens to the dick when it becomes aroused? It becomes large.

[RepresentingTruth]

My video Same Sex Marriage in the OT deals with this.

[Artjommm]

Thanx for posting this enlightening video.

[LairMistress]

Thanks for making this one! I truly believe David and Jonathan were partners and soulmates; and no other relationship David had in his life even came close to this level of deep bonding. It's sort of the Bible's own "Brokeback Mountain" story, and the actual text describes their relationship quite honestly. I just wish someone would make a really good movie about them...

[wildmanchris200]

BULLSHIT!!!

[Gayfreewill]

@wildmanchris200 Look it up!

[TigerghostPictures]

@Gayfreewill It's actually quite surprising that many conservative Christians would shrug this off because David was pretty important in Scripture. Honestly, I believe David was Bisexual.

[WhatsUpWithGORDIE]

Most Excellent!!

[garysdeskcom]

Excellent video! The Bible tended to speak of sexual relationships in a slightly different way than we speak of them now. While the Bible does not use our contemporary language to state the men had sex, I think that is what the Bible was describing. :-D

[rozaditahh]

@garysdeskcom the bible talks about sexual immoratily and men who have sex with other mean. and the things it says are not good what so ever. how can the bible be right on some thing and not on the others? this is not what god meant. he meant brotherly love. how we should all love each other in the LOVE of CHRIST. he couldn't be possibly talking about gay love when he previously talks about gay men talking about how they need to repent. just clearing that out. God bless!!

[Holebis]

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