One of our pastors at church left medical school and began practicing medicine. After a while, he went to Master's College because he realized he was dealing with more spiritual bankruptcy than physical illness. The lack of spirituality was the root of most of the problems he saw as a doctor. He now does both. He pastors our church and practices medicine full time.
I believe this video to be very irresponsible -- why is medicine so far behind on testing of mental illnesses -- because of narrow thinking that if we can't tangibly test for it -- it doesn't exist or it's demonic. thanks to the Fall we are genetically getting more and more chaotic since nothing is 100% and only strength in Christ Jesus will help us through our environmental struggle with our genetics. If mental illness doesn't exist then why do the myriad of drugs used to help actually work?
are they perfect - no - but, at times, the only thing that can bridge the gap between insanity and a semblance of sanity so that they may Know Christ !!! You show the same ignorance as did the Elevation church w/the family w/a child who had cerebral palsy -shame on you for your lack of compassion and investigation. no medical area is perfect -- that is why they call it PRACTICE -- but they actually know more about the brain than they do they heart -- and it seems your heart needs some work
Yes, there are misdiagnosed ppl -- but that happens in all areas of medicine. The diagnosis and treatment of mental illness is not necessarily as exacting as strep throat -- but they are getting closer to dx bipolar disorder & schizophrenia with MRI's -- and schizophrenia can be diagnosed post-mortem. THE CHURCH needs to step out of the dark ages and repent -- only with Love and Compassion can we help those who are lost to figure out if it is clinical or spiritual.
As a kid, I was put on Zoloft for "depression." Of course, nobody in my family was saved, so they didn't know that I could just trust in Jesus to be born again and, forget depression, I haven't had a SAD day ever since!
I believe that stuff is dangerous. I can tell you first-hand how it destroys your brain and completely deadens your emotions. Of course you aren't depressed, you can't feel anything! The worst part was when it wore off at night...then it all hits you at once. Suicide? No wonder.
"None is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands; no one seeks for God. 12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one." 13 "Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive." "The venom of asps is under their lips." 14 "Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness."
I LOVE to listen to Todd. I diagnose people with mental disorders as my job, and it is an opinion based on behavioral/mental criteria. I do believe in demonic affliction as well as disease due to our sinful nature (what about cancer? The payment for sin is death. We are all afflicted) This is a tricky subject. I hate putting people on meds, but I have also seen how they help - as with physical ailments. I plan to send this video to my colleagues.
And the newest frontier is to look at functional MRIs of the brain to see what areas light up with electrical activity and blood flow. For example, the brains of atheists and people of faith show activity in different parts of the brain. Check out the work of Dr. Daniel Amen for more about MRIs, the brain, and how that relates to mental health. This is all from a friend of mine who let me know about this after I posted it on my facebook page.
Oh, good grief.....who is this yutz? No--there is no "test" as in testing someone's brain fluid. (People wouldn't like that at all! Drilling a hole in their brain to test the fluid?? I don't think so!) However: what mental health professionals do is LISTEN to a person's symptoms, family history, life situation, physical health issues, etc., to determine what their problem is.
@missmumamaestra If you are going to wean yourself off from your medication, it's best to do so under your doctor's supervision. Just looking out for ya'. :)
Good luck. It's your choice to stay on medication or not, so I won't try to stop you. However, the information Todd is presenting is purposefully out of context to the point it makes a false impression. If one medication isn't working, you can may also want to try switching medication. Meds have different effects for different people.
@jwissick - Gosh, James. Dishonest much? From MS-NBC:
"VeriPsych researchers warn this blood-based test is not meant to provide a definitive diagnosis for schizophrenia."
Some physicians are skeptical of the test. While recognizing the need and potential for relying on methods other than patient reports or observations, the science is not there yet, said Dr. Gregory Light, an associate professor of psychiatry at the University of California, San Diego.
@jwissick - "Blood-based tests, at the moment, are far away from being useful for an individual patient," Light said. "For example, [genetic tests] raise more questions than they answer, account for only a small number of cases, and the advances in technology are rapidly outpacing our ability to interpret the results."
@jwissick - The biomarkers that some research has suggested are associated with schizophrenia might be a consequence of the illness, or long-term use of antipsychotic medication, said Dr. Irving Gottesman, a professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Minnesota.
"It takes, often, a period of observation, both with and without medication of 6 months or more, to get a better 'feel' for what may be the proper diagnosis," Gottesman said.
No, there is no blood test for Schizophrenia, etc.... I don't think anyone is surprised. That's all the video is saying.
But do you think professionals don't study the behavior and mood of groups of people? You must be out of your freakin' mind! There are like a bazillion studies / journals related to psychiatry
@jwissick - And just when I think there's no way you could be even more dishonest, James, you trot out yet another straw man based on dubious information.
@jwissick - Honestly, I have handed your sorry behind to you so many times, you'd think you'd be embarrassed to keep commenting, James. You must be a glutton for punishment.
Psychiatrists and psycologists are worthless and only out to take your money and have an easy job. Psycology used to be called "the study of the soul" but now its not. Only God is the answer for anyones emotional, mental problems because it comes from the soul. Secular psycology wont help.
@MaharlikaAWA You're kidding, right? Would you like to tell that to people who suffer from clinical depression, hallucinations, OCD, ADHD, ADD, and so on? The medicines given to these people help people live stable lives. It has nothing to do with a soul because there is no evidence for a soul.
@blackSwanArises I would tell it to anyones face. I suffered from extreme depression, ADHD, and I HAVE OCD!!!! Its not medicine or talking to some psycologist who just wants your money that will save you. Its a spiritual problem. There is no evidence for your intelligence though...
@MaharlikaAWA Clever. Unoriginal, but amusing. It's not a spiritual problem. It's a chemical problem. Your brain is made up of chemicals interacting and communicating with one another. If something is unbalanced, the brain has severe reactions. Why do you think medicine works, exactly?
@blackSwanArises Actually you are not original. Medicine does not cure any of those issues it only tries to distract people from it. God is powerful and convicts the soul and brings light into ones life. Chemicles in the brain are not always the issue. Do you take meds? are you bipolar? ADHD? OCD? Are you mentally crazy?
@blackSwanArises - Yes, I've seen "prayers" like "I want a million dollars to appear under my bed tonight" not work. And they shouldn't because they aren't prayers. They're wishes that treat God like some mindless genie who has to grant you your three wishes after you rub a magic lamp. God doesn't grant wishes.
@JMcH But are those two distinguishable? How do you know God didn't want you to win the lottery or wanted you to be cured of cancer? Also, that definition has no opportunity to fail - if "thy will be done", then free will is nothing more than an illusion, and it can never fail
@jwissick Haha ATTENTION PEOPLE!!! Here we see an ATHEIST, a God hater, who labels all Christians as weak and stupid for using a "crutch" such as Jesus Christ to live a correct life. Yet this same atheist has admitted that psycology is okay and psychiatric drugs are also okay and used positively as crutches, in a good way that helps people live good lives. So is a crutch such a bad thing then? Can you now use the "you are emotionally weak and mental" as a good argument against the faith? NO!
@jwissick You know jwissisck, you sure have a fetish for mosochistic abuse dont you? Thats why you post idiotic comments on all wretched videos because you know the Christians will put you in your place and tear you apart with logic and reason. You get off on being dominated in verbal altercations on youtube. You sure are sick. Maybe you should take those "crutches" of psychiatric drugs that your wonderful mind doctors will give you since you obviously need it.
@MaharlikaAWA In a response to jwissick: " Thats why you post idiotic comments on all wretched videos because you know the Christians will put you in your place and tear you apart with logic and reason."
@blackSwanArises We pretty much already owned anything you believe as you have nothing intelligent to say on the matter. Nor can you refute what I said above about jwissicks apparent contradiction of his own logic. So you both want to admit that "crutches" in life are absolutely necessary yet when Christians live well and take care of things you want to label them weal for using God as a crutch. Its hypocrisy. You would rather have someone a slave to chemicals that a doc just assumes will help..
@MaharlikaAWA What did you own, exactly? And I can't find where jwissicks said anything of Christians being "weak and stupid" in this particular video, nor is it really my job to defend his point. However, do note that I agree that religion is a crutch - it helps people get through the day without actually solving the problems. Psychiatry, on the other hand, isn't a crutch - it solves the problems that the brain has, which are chemical imbalances, so people can live a normal life.
@MaharlikaAWA Good one! I take it you aren't a scientist in any fashion. Also, based on your contempt for medicine and psychology, I don't think you're University-educated at all. That's quite unfortunate, as you would be able to read every single study that demonstrates that drugs do indeed work on the brain and cure/manage these problems very well.
Humorously, you'd also be able to read the studies that show that prayer is indistinguishable from pure, blind chance.
@blackSwanArises Typical atheist response. Instead of actually tackling the matter at hand you want to claim I have no univesity education. Well I do and graduated magna cum laude so please shut up already. Drugs have never been found to cur OCD, ADHD, or ADD. All they do is supress it for awhile. As far as extreme situations like skizos nothing has cured them ever. The problem is the soul. Your problem is your soul and you are in need of repentence.
@MaharlikaAWA Except I did tackle the matter at hand, thanks. What university did you attend, and what did you get a degree in? Do they teach you there that psychological problems are just soul-malfunctions or something? As I've stated before, there are numerous studies that you get for free that clearly demonstrates that drugs do indeed work. To assert that they don't is flatly lying about it.
What about "born-again" Christians who have mental conditions? They repented and still aren't better
@blackSwanArises Where I graduated doesnt matter. I also could care less where you graduated from either.
And the school I went to was all about psycology and has a big psycology depertment. I think secular psycology is nonsense and never cured anyone and the video proves it. Drugs do not CURE only keep people bound to taking drugs their whole life to deal with side effects. I never said drugs never had an effect. And no you didnt tackle the matter...
@blackSwanArises And people who turned to Christ were able to give up all kinds of things such as alcoholism, sex addiction, marriage issues, depression and suicide and more. God brings in new light and tears away the darkness as the soul is regernated. People who have Christ are a lot happier and more productive than atheists. In fact people who have any sense of religion live better lives than the typical atheist.
@MaharlikaAWA Yes, and people who turned to Christ can and some still do suffer from sex addiction, alcoholism, marriage issues, depression, suicide, and so on. Religion is a not a cure, it is a catalyst. Do you have any statistics at all to prove that people with any sense of religion live "better" lives than the typical atheist, or are you just making that claim up?
@blackSwanArises Do you have any statistics or studies that show that people who turn to Christ only suffer and cannot get out of sex addiction, alcoholism, marriage issues, depression, suicide and so on? Drugs are not a cure.
Also you admit that religion is a catalyst for GOOD THINGS!!! So you admit that Christianity has positive benefits and is a good thing. In fact its better than drugs because then people are not dependent on psyciatrists their whole life when they learn Gods discipline.
@MaharlikaAWA I never claimed that people who turn to Christ only suffer at all. If you'd like to point out where I said all Christians suffer from these things, let me know. Also, while you're at it, you might want to point out where I said that religion is a catalyst for only bad things. People can do good things in the name of their religion. However, I would argue it isn't the religion that made those good things happen to begin with.
Religion is not better than drugs. Studies confirm this
@blackSwanArises No studies have ever confirmed any of that its just another false fact you pulled out of your hat. What did a bunch of god hating atheists get together and interview some people and just decide "Oh yes drugs are better for people than being in a religion"? I mean really? haha! You said religion is a catalyst for good things and I agree. So you just admitted its possible to do good things in religion. So you are only proving that religion is positive for society.
@blackSwanArises How would you argue that religion didnt make good things happen? Thats aburd. A guy who was an ex criminal who turns over his life for Jesus and helps council youth involved in gangs is not religion causing good things to happen? What a dumb assumption. Im sore atheist causes all kinds of moral goodness, and it gives a true reason why there are morals in the first place right? Oh wait it doesnt. Everything came from nothing and morality is relevent and you die and rot. Great.
@MaharlikaAWA Indeed. Religion can be a great thing for a lot of people. It can also be a source of hardship for a lot of people. Religion,, like everything else, works for some and not for others. It would be great if it worked for everyone though. :)
@ddrninjette So why criticize religion? let it be. Just be an atheist and live life and ignore Christians. Nothing matters anyway right? Why waste time posting on here? Todd Friel is not going to take over the world nor does he want to sheesh. Jwissick acts like Christianity is super atrocious and absolutely evil and MUST BE STOPPED 8gasp* but here we have you admit religion works for people. So let it go. You have a right in this country to reject God and people an take meds and ignore God.
One of our pastors at church left medical school and began practicing medicine. After a while, he went to Master's College because he realized he was dealing with more spiritual bankruptcy than physical illness. The lack of spirituality was the root of most of the problems he saw as a doctor. He now does both. He pastors our church and practices medicine full time.
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anybodydivvy 1 month ago
Great video!
eternalwolf777 2 months ago
I believe this video to be very irresponsible -- why is medicine so far behind on testing of mental illnesses -- because of narrow thinking that if we can't tangibly test for it -- it doesn't exist or it's demonic. thanks to the Fall we are genetically getting more and more chaotic since nothing is 100% and only strength in Christ Jesus will help us through our environmental struggle with our genetics. If mental illness doesn't exist then why do the myriad of drugs used to help actually work?
catratmus 3 months ago
are they perfect - no - but, at times, the only thing that can bridge the gap between insanity and a semblance of sanity so that they may Know Christ !!! You show the same ignorance as did the Elevation church w/the family w/a child who had cerebral palsy -shame on you for your lack of compassion and investigation. no medical area is perfect -- that is why they call it PRACTICE -- but they actually know more about the brain than they do they heart -- and it seems your heart needs some work
catratmus 3 months ago
Yes, there are misdiagnosed ppl -- but that happens in all areas of medicine. The diagnosis and treatment of mental illness is not necessarily as exacting as strep throat -- but they are getting closer to dx bipolar disorder & schizophrenia with MRI's -- and schizophrenia can be diagnosed post-mortem. THE CHURCH needs to step out of the dark ages and repent -- only with Love and Compassion can we help those who are lost to figure out if it is clinical or spiritual.
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As a kid, I was put on Zoloft for "depression." Of course, nobody in my family was saved, so they didn't know that I could just trust in Jesus to be born again and, forget depression, I haven't had a SAD day ever since!
I believe that stuff is dangerous. I can tell you first-hand how it destroys your brain and completely deadens your emotions. Of course you aren't depressed, you can't feel anything! The worst part was when it wore off at night...then it all hits you at once. Suicide? No wonder.
greyspot00 4 months ago
"None is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands; no one seeks for God. 12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one." 13 "Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive." "The venom of asps is under their lips." 14 "Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness."
mkjerl2010 6 months ago
I LOVE to listen to Todd. I diagnose people with mental disorders as my job, and it is an opinion based on behavioral/mental criteria. I do believe in demonic affliction as well as disease due to our sinful nature (what about cancer? The payment for sin is death. We are all afflicted) This is a tricky subject. I hate putting people on meds, but I have also seen how they help - as with physical ailments. I plan to send this video to my colleagues.
MissCrinkle 6 months ago
That's what they told me too..... when I told them I had depression/anxiety.
They are like you may have got it naturally or you may have got it from life experiences.....
And I'm like how can you tell?
They are like..... we can't.
FarmboyRecords 6 months ago
I wonder how many people are really under demonic affliction and are receiving no true spiritual help?
gweems828 6 months ago 12
@gweems828 I know what you mean... We have to pray for those people,
catlyana13 1 month ago
@catlyana13 So true
gweems828 1 month ago
@Simplistic7SalvatioN That's wonderful you're feeling better no matter the reason. :)
I'm very happy for you. Congratulations.
ddrninjette 6 months ago
mathematics disorder????
what is that?????
jhhahahahaha
cinderella1976 6 months ago
second part of my post...
And the newest frontier is to look at functional MRIs of the brain to see what areas light up with electrical activity and blood flow. For example, the brains of atheists and people of faith show activity in different parts of the brain. Check out the work of Dr. Daniel Amen for more about MRIs, the brain, and how that relates to mental health. This is all from a friend of mine who let me know about this after I posted it on my facebook page.
LyndaP31 6 months ago
Oh, good grief.....who is this yutz? No--there is no "test" as in testing someone's brain fluid. (People wouldn't like that at all! Drilling a hole in their brain to test the fluid?? I don't think so!) However: what mental health professionals do is LISTEN to a person's symptoms, family history, life situation, physical health issues, etc., to determine what their problem is.
LyndaP31 6 months ago
Ive been contemplating giving upmy meds for a while now. just have to weanmy body away from the drugs
missmumamaestra 6 months ago
@missmumamaestra If you are going to wean yourself off from your medication, it's best to do so under your doctor's supervision. Just looking out for ya'. :)
Good luck. It's your choice to stay on medication or not, so I won't try to stop you. However, the information Todd is presenting is purposefully out of context to the point it makes a false impression. If one medication isn't working, you can may also want to try switching medication. Meds have different effects for different people.
ddrninjette 6 months ago
@ddrninjette The meds are working.I just dont want to be out of Gods will. If taking the meds is a lack of faith then....
missmumamaestra 6 months ago
No blood tests for mental disorders, eh?
"VeriPsych™ is the first and only blood test to aid a psychiatrist in the diagnosis of recent-onset schizophrenia."
Dr. Alexander Niculescu, III is developing a blood test for bi-polar disorder.
Of course idiots like MaharlikaAWA and Todd would probably just want the schizophrenic to have an exorcism cause they are possessed.
Todd wants to take medicine back to the stone age.
jwissick 6 months ago
@jwissick - Gosh, James. Dishonest much? From MS-NBC:
"VeriPsych researchers warn this blood-based test is not meant to provide a definitive diagnosis for schizophrenia."
Some physicians are skeptical of the test. While recognizing the need and potential for relying on methods other than patient reports or observations, the science is not there yet, said Dr. Gregory Light, an associate professor of psychiatry at the University of California, San Diego.
JMcH 6 months ago
@jwissick - "Blood-based tests, at the moment, are far away from being useful for an individual patient," Light said. "For example, [genetic tests] raise more questions than they answer, account for only a small number of cases, and the advances in technology are rapidly outpacing our ability to interpret the results."
JMcH 6 months ago
@jwissick - The biomarkers that some research has suggested are associated with schizophrenia might be a consequence of the illness, or long-term use of antipsychotic medication, said Dr. Irving Gottesman, a professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Minnesota.
"It takes, often, a period of observation, both with and without medication of 6 months or more, to get a better 'feel' for what may be the proper diagnosis," Gottesman said.
JMcH 6 months ago
@jwissick - Next time, try not confusing a pharmaceutical company's press releases about their drugs as actual news, m'kay, James?
JMcH 6 months ago
Just because something can't be scientifically tested, doesn't mean it's not truth, or has truth to it. The soul is an example of that.
Shiga37 6 months ago
Pushing the Scientology agenda I see...
No, there is no blood test for Schizophrenia, etc.... I don't think anyone is surprised. That's all the video is saying.
But do you think professionals don't study the behavior and mood of groups of people? You must be out of your freakin' mind! There are like a bazillion studies / journals related to psychiatry
I wouldn't listen to Todd.
ddrninjette 6 months ago
Great. Now Todd as teamed up with Scientology???
Every time I think there is no way Todd could be even more nuts, he trots out on the field, cranks up the bar 10 more feet and flies right over.
jwissick 6 months ago
@jwissick - And just when I think there's no way you could be even more dishonest, James, you trot out yet another straw man based on dubious information.
JMcH 6 months ago
@jwissick - Honestly, I have handed your sorry behind to you so many times, you'd think you'd be embarrassed to keep commenting, James. You must be a glutton for punishment.
JMcH 6 months ago
@JMcH Now, now. Play nice or I'll love and tolerate the *bleep* out of you.
ddrninjette 6 months ago
@ddrninjette - Silly. ;)
JMcH 6 months ago
HAhah That last psychiatrist, Is that all you guys do? Than I guess I can be a psychiatrist.
MrSiklon762 6 months ago
Psychiatrists and psycologists are worthless and only out to take your money and have an easy job. Psycology used to be called "the study of the soul" but now its not. Only God is the answer for anyones emotional, mental problems because it comes from the soul. Secular psycology wont help.
MaharlikaAWA 6 months ago
@MaharlikaAWA You're kidding, right? Would you like to tell that to people who suffer from clinical depression, hallucinations, OCD, ADHD, ADD, and so on? The medicines given to these people help people live stable lives. It has nothing to do with a soul because there is no evidence for a soul.
blackSwanArises 6 months ago
@blackSwanArises I would tell it to anyones face. I suffered from extreme depression, ADHD, and I HAVE OCD!!!! Its not medicine or talking to some psycologist who just wants your money that will save you. Its a spiritual problem. There is no evidence for your intelligence though...
MaharlikaAWA 6 months ago
@MaharlikaAWA Depression I can understand, but how did you find out you have ADHD and OCD if you don't trust psychiatry?
ddrninjette 6 months ago
@MaharlikaAWA Clever. Unoriginal, but amusing. It's not a spiritual problem. It's a chemical problem. Your brain is made up of chemicals interacting and communicating with one another. If something is unbalanced, the brain has severe reactions. Why do you think medicine works, exactly?
blackSwanArises 6 months ago
@blackSwanArises Actually you are not original. Medicine does not cure any of those issues it only tries to distract people from it. God is powerful and convicts the soul and brings light into ones life. Chemicles in the brain are not always the issue. Do you take meds? are you bipolar? ADHD? OCD? Are you mentally crazy?
MaharlikaAWA 6 months ago
@MaharlikaAWA Nor is it meant to. It is meant to be a crutch so you can work through the issues.
God is powerless. Pray as much as you want. You will get the same results as if you prayed to a door knob.
jwissick 6 months ago
@jwissick - I've seen specific prayers work.
JMcH 6 months ago
@JMcH And, as such, you've also seen prayers *not* work, right?
blackSwanArises 6 months ago
@blackSwanArises - Yes, I've seen "prayers" like "I want a million dollars to appear under my bed tonight" not work. And they shouldn't because they aren't prayers. They're wishes that treat God like some mindless genie who has to grant you your three wishes after you rub a magic lamp. God doesn't grant wishes.
JMcH 6 months ago
@JMcH So, how can you tell the difference between a prayer and a wish?
Is "I want to be healed of cancer" a prayer or a wish, and has that prayer and/or wish every failed before?
blackSwanArises 6 months ago
@blackSwanArises - A wish is a selfish desire of your own heart for something that you want or want to happen (aka "my will be done").
A prayer is an act of obedience to and communication with God in line with His will (aka "Thy will be done").
JMcH 6 months ago
@JMcH But are those two distinguishable? How do you know God didn't want you to win the lottery or wanted you to be cured of cancer? Also, that definition has no opportunity to fail - if "thy will be done", then free will is nothing more than an illusion, and it can never fail
blackSwanArises 6 months ago
@jwissick Haha ATTENTION PEOPLE!!! Here we see an ATHEIST, a God hater, who labels all Christians as weak and stupid for using a "crutch" such as Jesus Christ to live a correct life. Yet this same atheist has admitted that psycology is okay and psychiatric drugs are also okay and used positively as crutches, in a good way that helps people live good lives. So is a crutch such a bad thing then? Can you now use the "you are emotionally weak and mental" as a good argument against the faith? NO!
MaharlikaAWA 6 months ago
@jwissick You know jwissisck, you sure have a fetish for mosochistic abuse dont you? Thats why you post idiotic comments on all wretched videos because you know the Christians will put you in your place and tear you apart with logic and reason. You get off on being dominated in verbal altercations on youtube. You sure are sick. Maybe you should take those "crutches" of psychiatric drugs that your wonderful mind doctors will give you since you obviously need it.
MaharlikaAWA 6 months ago
@MaharlikaAWA In a response to jwissick: " Thats why you post idiotic comments on all wretched videos because you know the Christians will put you in your place and tear you apart with logic and reason."
ROFL. Try me.
blackSwanArises 6 months ago
@blackSwanArises We pretty much already owned anything you believe as you have nothing intelligent to say on the matter. Nor can you refute what I said above about jwissicks apparent contradiction of his own logic. So you both want to admit that "crutches" in life are absolutely necessary yet when Christians live well and take care of things you want to label them weal for using God as a crutch. Its hypocrisy. You would rather have someone a slave to chemicals that a doc just assumes will help..
MaharlikaAWA 6 months ago
@MaharlikaAWA What did you own, exactly? And I can't find where jwissicks said anything of Christians being "weak and stupid" in this particular video, nor is it really my job to defend his point. However, do note that I agree that religion is a crutch - it helps people get through the day without actually solving the problems. Psychiatry, on the other hand, isn't a crutch - it solves the problems that the brain has, which are chemical imbalances, so people can live a normal life.
blackSwanArises 6 months ago
@jwissick Hey James, what drug do I need to take in order to stop being a Christian?
HoParoikos 6 months ago
@MaharlikaAWA Good one! I take it you aren't a scientist in any fashion. Also, based on your contempt for medicine and psychology, I don't think you're University-educated at all. That's quite unfortunate, as you would be able to read every single study that demonstrates that drugs do indeed work on the brain and cure/manage these problems very well.
Humorously, you'd also be able to read the studies that show that prayer is indistinguishable from pure, blind chance.
blackSwanArises 6 months ago
@blackSwanArises Typical atheist response. Instead of actually tackling the matter at hand you want to claim I have no univesity education. Well I do and graduated magna cum laude so please shut up already. Drugs have never been found to cur OCD, ADHD, or ADD. All they do is supress it for awhile. As far as extreme situations like skizos nothing has cured them ever. The problem is the soul. Your problem is your soul and you are in need of repentence.
MaharlikaAWA 6 months ago
@MaharlikaAWA Except I did tackle the matter at hand, thanks. What university did you attend, and what did you get a degree in? Do they teach you there that psychological problems are just soul-malfunctions or something? As I've stated before, there are numerous studies that you get for free that clearly demonstrates that drugs do indeed work. To assert that they don't is flatly lying about it.
What about "born-again" Christians who have mental conditions? They repented and still aren't better
blackSwanArises 6 months ago 2
@blackSwanArises Where I graduated doesnt matter. I also could care less where you graduated from either.
And the school I went to was all about psycology and has a big psycology depertment. I think secular psycology is nonsense and never cured anyone and the video proves it. Drugs do not CURE only keep people bound to taking drugs their whole life to deal with side effects. I never said drugs never had an effect. And no you didnt tackle the matter...
MaharlikaAWA 6 months ago
@blackSwanArises And people who turned to Christ were able to give up all kinds of things such as alcoholism, sex addiction, marriage issues, depression and suicide and more. God brings in new light and tears away the darkness as the soul is regernated. People who have Christ are a lot happier and more productive than atheists. In fact people who have any sense of religion live better lives than the typical atheist.
MaharlikaAWA 6 months ago
@MaharlikaAWA Yes, and people who turned to Christ can and some still do suffer from sex addiction, alcoholism, marriage issues, depression, suicide, and so on. Religion is a not a cure, it is a catalyst. Do you have any statistics at all to prove that people with any sense of religion live "better" lives than the typical atheist, or are you just making that claim up?
blackSwanArises 6 months ago
@blackSwanArises Do you have any statistics or studies that show that people who turn to Christ only suffer and cannot get out of sex addiction, alcoholism, marriage issues, depression, suicide and so on? Drugs are not a cure.
Also you admit that religion is a catalyst for GOOD THINGS!!! So you admit that Christianity has positive benefits and is a good thing. In fact its better than drugs because then people are not dependent on psyciatrists their whole life when they learn Gods discipline.
MaharlikaAWA 6 months ago
@MaharlikaAWA I never claimed that people who turn to Christ only suffer at all. If you'd like to point out where I said all Christians suffer from these things, let me know. Also, while you're at it, you might want to point out where I said that religion is a catalyst for only bad things. People can do good things in the name of their religion. However, I would argue it isn't the religion that made those good things happen to begin with.
Religion is not better than drugs. Studies confirm this
blackSwanArises 6 months ago
@blackSwanArises No studies have ever confirmed any of that its just another false fact you pulled out of your hat. What did a bunch of god hating atheists get together and interview some people and just decide "Oh yes drugs are better for people than being in a religion"? I mean really? haha! You said religion is a catalyst for good things and I agree. So you just admitted its possible to do good things in religion. So you are only proving that religion is positive for society.
MaharlikaAWA 6 months ago
@blackSwanArises How would you argue that religion didnt make good things happen? Thats aburd. A guy who was an ex criminal who turns over his life for Jesus and helps council youth involved in gangs is not religion causing good things to happen? What a dumb assumption. Im sore atheist causes all kinds of moral goodness, and it gives a true reason why there are morals in the first place right? Oh wait it doesnt. Everything came from nothing and morality is relevent and you die and rot. Great.
MaharlikaAWA 6 months ago
@MaharlikaAWA Indeed. Religion can be a great thing for a lot of people. It can also be a source of hardship for a lot of people. Religion,, like everything else, works for some and not for others. It would be great if it worked for everyone though. :)
ddrninjette 6 months ago
@ddrninjette So why criticize religion? let it be. Just be an atheist and live life and ignore Christians. Nothing matters anyway right? Why waste time posting on here? Todd Friel is not going to take over the world nor does he want to sheesh. Jwissick acts like Christianity is super atrocious and absolutely evil and MUST BE STOPPED 8gasp* but here we have you admit religion works for people. So let it go. You have a right in this country to reject God and people an take meds and ignore God.
MaharlikaAWA 6 months ago 5
No test, just take these "Pills"! "Now isn't that special?"
kgunjoem 6 months ago
I'm so shocked....not!
joeforHistruth 6 months ago