@Croozer In the long run, yes. Off the line, no. 100% equal engines, gearing, tires, traction, weight, a turbo will win in the long run (1/4mi, 1/2mi) vs. the s/charged wins 1/8mi. Parasitic loss from the s/charger is the main reason.
at alstar250 you cant get boost until you get a load on it like a trans brake or a launch control box. i had both a sc and a turbo, you cant get more than 3 to 4 psi off launch without one of those and psi is a restriction get bigger heads and cylinders you will get the less boost due to more airflow and the rpm have nothing to do with it bonce the rev limiter in nutrual or push the clutch in and see how much boost you get mabee 3 to 4 pounds
Watch this video and tell me if you don't think the turbo come on quick enough.
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Turbos are always spinning as well, but just not making boost. Most supercharger setups have a bypass that operates under vacuum so it technically is not always making boost. Big turbos on 3.0 I6 Supras and 4 cylinders will always take alot of time. Turbocharged V8s are a totally different situation.
@JangoFette89 Remember I said Big turbos. I shouldn't have said a long time because that is relative. I will say it will almost always take longer than on a V8.
I would take a base Corvette C6 08+ and ad a APS TT Kit in a minute. It is involved, but the torque curve will be amazing and the pull, especially with the 6 speed auto, would be linear and very strong.
Tboninator = CLOWN . He thinks turbo systems are easier to install than centrifugal s/c's - He thinks this Vette is gonna be FASTER with a s/c . He thinks s/c are ALWAYS spooled as "long as the car is running". He thinks turbo make terrible bottom end. He thinks working on "Mud Trucks & Dirt Trackers" make him qualified to even understand computer controlled engine management, volumetric efficiency, or just basic physics... Here ya go, here's 2 tickets to the monster trucks. Whats your paypal?
Depends on how the twin turbos are setup. On a V8, with a turbo for each bank of cylinders, they're going to spool up more like a turbo on a 4 cylinder motor. If those turbos are as big, or close to being as big as the "really big single", then the single turbo would probably spool up faster. However, if you had a, I believe it's called a "sequential" twin turbo setup, with one small turbo, and one larger turbo, that would be the most efficient.
Alstar250 = COWARD. If you're going to reply to me, use the reply button instead of trying to hide it.
I never said anything about a car (particularly a Vette) being faster with a S/C. Superchargers are ALWAYS spooled- ALWAYS. They are constantly being driven at a rate many times faster than the crank, which is why you don't have lag like you would in a turbo- they "spool" instantly, so you could say they're always spooled... I don't see how you don't understand this.
@Tboninator but their maximum boost only occurs at max rpm and there is power loss from driving the supercharger, so once the turbo is up to max boost the power delivery is much smoother (assuming no variable valve lift to compensate), especially when you are trying to get big power from smaller engines. supercharging works best for mild pressures and turbos are best for big HP
No, not necessarily. While I could see why you would think that, it's not true. Since a supercharger is overdriven, meaning it's spun faster than the crankshaft, it's always trying to push more air in than the motor is sucking in on it's own. Because of this, they have a bypass valve, which is very similar to a blowoff valve. The bypass regulates the amount of boost, so a supercharger that's set to make about 8 psi will make 8 psi through most of it's RPM range.
@Tboninator. oh yeah certainly and that works very well when you arent trying to push big psi. for lower pressures then a s/c works better than a turbo for that reason. however for large pressures (high hp) the engine has to work very hard to drive the s/c so in effect the result is an engine that gets exponentially more power the higher the RPM while feeling comparatively weak at lower RPM. This exponential power-delivery is sub-optimal for track driving. for huge PSi= turbo. low psi= s/c
Funny, I never see any turbocharged top fuel dragsters- those make 8000+ horsepower. :P
You're right, though, turbocharging is better for high horsepower, because it's essentially free horsepower, however, for low end grunt, you will never beat a supercharger. The supercharger is always spooled, so when you mash the gas, you're making boost and horsepower instantly.
@brettsvn well he has got a tremendous knowledge about forced induction which as we all know is very sexy, but you did an auto to manual swap on a supra which is right up there. you sir must get a lot of ass
Superchargers aren't "always" spooled...what about when the engine is off?
Seriously though, some SCs are equipped with clutches like a clutch fan and they only engage when X amount of torque is applied and though they're spinning faster than the crank they're not ALWAYS on boost so not technically spooled...just like at idle a turbo is spinning because of the air being sucked through it but it isn't making boost.
lol, I did say while the engine was running in a few of my posts.
Well, it depends on how you have it set up- most of the superchargers I've seen are directly driven (in the sense that there are no clutches or anything like that), meaning that it's being driven a rate faster than the crank, and that will never change, meaning that at any given RPM, the supercharger is sucking in, and compressing, more air than the engine is sucking in on it's own. Now, if it's clutch driven...
@Tboninator Any belt driven device supercharger or belt driven charger takes hp from the engine to make more hp, but w/ a turbo you get the hp the engine makes and the hp of the turbo and turbo lag depends on engine displacement, if your running a 4 or 6 cyl. yeah you will have lag but w/ most turbocharged 8 cyl engines you have very little if any turbo lag at least not noticiably anyway.
When you install a supercharger, you're not worried about the amount of power to operate it, because of the simple fact that you're getting a lot more back than what you're taking away. Lose a little, gain a lot.
As for turbos, you lose a bit on the bottom end when you're not spooled because of increased backpressure.
The amount of turbo lag depends on your setup, even a big V8... Put a huge turbo on there, and you'll have have lag. It all just depends.
@bdcool412 True,, a turbo is a much more efficient power adder, and a turbo will cover a belt-driven SC by 100 ft. lbs. in the torque dept at the same boost level.
@Tboninator - What you've said is true of positive displacement screw type superchargers like the one used on the ZR-1. However a centrifugal supercharger like a Vortech accelerates at the same rate as the engine (although turning many times faster) and generally creates a powerband similar to that of a turbocharger.
@Tboninator only problem is they are a "parasitic" forced induction where as a turbo is not. The TVS eatons are the shit though 75% + effec. thats ballin for a supercharger.
@Tboninator while it's true they are always spooled with larger displacement motors and properly sized turbos lag is next to non existent. Blowers still need to build boost they are not sitting there making peak boost 100% of the time.
A simple example I have a 66mm turbo on my 07 Mustang and I am at 5psi at 2200rpm, 15psi by 3200. Now given I run a 2600 stall (yes it's an auto) in a drag race I come off quite hard. On a road course I build power nicely around the apex and smoothly out.
@Tboninator should note I'm not trying to call you out just make it clear for others who read the comment that there is more to it and while there is spooled there is also the level of boost it sits at.
The main issue with Corvette though is that roots and twin screw designs have the issue of not fitting under the factory hood thus having to lower the motor or get a aftermarket hood - in the case of the ZR1 GM did both.
So how does it build boost then? The only time a supercharger will not be making boost is when the charger has a bypass or the motor isn't running, otherwise, since it's being constantly driven at a certain rate faster than the engine, it will always be making boost, pushing more air into the engine than it would be taking in on it's own. For example, a super charger driven to produce 10 pounds of boost, will do so throughout the entire RPM range, unless there is a bypass valve.
@Tboninator i'm not saying they lag and I am saying they build boost instantly - one of their highest benefits is throttle response - most cases this is done through an internal bypass valve in the supercharger that directs air around it when there is not enough. essentially the boos is still being made it is just not being forced into the engine.
The only time I could imagine the boost actually lowering is when first stepping on the throttle, when the valve opens, relieving the vacuum, but pressure would immediately be brought back up.
@Tboninator yes once the bypass is shut it would see pressure immediately as we have both said.
I believe we are going in circles I suggest we continue this in PM or email / IM whatever - if you want to you can PM me for contact info and we can discuss this in great detail.
If I'm wrong in saying that, feel free to correct me, provided you have ample evidence or something to back it up, because I can't imagine, knowing what I know, why supercharger would not be making constant pressure.
@Tboninator it will run at 10psi through the range but when cruising and not heavy on the throttle you can keep it from building the boost. Your crank speed combined with pulley size determines how fast the pulley will turn and thus how much the supercharger is turned and how much boost is made.
If you go full throttle you go to full boost but if you are just cruising down the street your not spinning the crank as fast. Ever hit the gas and notice the belt spins faster when you do?
As you just said, boost is based off crank speed. If that's the case, which it is, then throttle makes no difference.
The bypass valve, as I understand it, exists so that the engine is not being boosted while at lower RPMs, making for a smoother idle and easier starts, and then that valve closes as the RPM picks up. Not all super chargers have this bypass valve, though I would guess most newer ones do.
@Tboninator boost made by the blower is based on the crank speed but the throttle regulates how much air is let in the engine which tells it to open/close the bypass valve and thus instead of the boost being recycled or vented via a bypass or BOV it is fed to the engine.
I have never seen a setup without one - sometimes it is referred to as "anti-surge" or "blow off" valve. Without one pressure isn't released & can damage the SCs drive system & the throttle body.
This is my understanding: more throttle=higher crank speed = more boost made. Boost is a measure of restriction at the inlet side of the valve therefor translates to positive manifold preassure(Boost). Centri blowers use Blow off valves just like turbo's to bleed off excessive preasure.
@Tboninator They are placed before the throttle blades/body inlet and run on engine vacume .If you are in the throttle hard then closed quickly the preasureized air backs up before it is introduced into the intake plenum hence the blow off valve opens whatever it's set at. At cruising speed the valve is open because there is vacume and as you accelarate vacume goes away hence the valve closes. What do you think?
Ok... I'm not going to disagree with that... But I will state that I wasn't ever really talking about blow off valves. I was mentioning more the delay involved with a turbo as compared to a supercharger due to the required spooling of a turbo, that is nonexistent with a supercharger, and I made a generalized statement that they are always spooled, thus always making boost. Anything else is left to whatever valving you have in there, and how its adjusted- beside the point.
@Tboninator I guess the way i worded it can sound confusing because yes the boost is there it is just being recycled and not sent into the engine so the supercharger is making it the engine is not getting it.
@Tboninator I guess the way i worded it can sound confusing because yes the boost is there it is just being recycled and not sent into the engine so the supercharger is making it the engine is not getting it.
In the case of centri blowers it is an external bypass ...
My experience with mud trucks and dirt track cars is no different than if I were working on autocrossers or street rods- I've done exhausts- I've MADE headers and exhaust manifolds FROM SCRATCH. What don't you understand about this? Did your mommy drop you or something?
And for the record, yes, turbos don't help the bottom end, because, unlike a S/C, they're not constantly driven at a rate that will compress air... Hence turbo lag. S/Cs will actually help the bottom end, unlike turbos.
Test your theory (unless they all come out of Truckin') and get into a centrifugal supercharged car. Go 70mph in 5th gear and...floor it! WHAAAT? No boost? Nothing happens? But Grave Digger's is ALWAYS boostin, I know cuz I welded his headers! Yeah, sorry, they only way it'll EVER make boost is either wait until it eventually gets above 4k, or DOWNSHIFT into 3rd and bounce! I know because I HAD a Vortech and it ran hard...when revved. I'm speaking from 1st hand experience, not what Utube told me
I agree 100%. I owned and built and 87 Buick Grand National and also a 99 GT that I had a Vortech V2 S-trim and then a T-76 turbo kit. The problem is the Supercharger is ALWAYS taking power to make power. The bigger the Supercharger, the more it is taking. A properly sized turbo with the right exhaust is much more efficient (check the efficiency maps) than a similar size centrifugal SC head unit. I think most people have no idea what turbo lag is. in most cases, it is a fraction of 1 second.
The bigger the turbo, the bigger the lag (bigger turbine takes longer to spin up). In a stock situation (stock turbo) it takes well more than a "fraction of 1 second" to spool up and create power, and that's true for many aftermarket turbo setups, too. It just depends on what you have, but I've never heard of a turbo spooling up so quick, unless you have a sequential setup- small and large turbos set up, one for bottom end (spools up quick) and one for top (spools up slower).
It also depends on the exhaust setup, Ball bearings and ceramic impellers or not. The T-76 on my 99 GT had a 3200 stall Stallion Converter and the tires were spinning by 3600 rpms. 8 cylinders of exhaust pushing through 1 turbo makes it spool real quick especially with ball bearings. I would spin the compressor wheel with my fingers and it would spin for a few minutes. BB Turbos spool really quick, but it has to be a properly sized turbo for the application.
A supercharger is ALWAYS driven. Whether it is making power at a certain RPM depends on your setup. A supercharger is ALWAYS driven, therefore it is ALWAYS compressing air, regardless if centrifugal, whipple, roots, etc
why is everybody putting turbos on their cars? because its easy. superchargers are where its at if you spend the time and money you will get something way better then a vette trying to be quick with its turbos
not true my man...turbo's are free horsepower..they dont take any to spin them and they have much more dramatic gains...superchargers take horsepower to spin and if you have a turbo you can stay out of it and still get the same fuel economy that you would get if you didnt have it..in my opinion turbos are the way to go unless your building an all out dragster....Top fuel for example :P
It may take a little horsepower to spool a supercharger, but that's the thing- a supercharger is ALWAYS spooled, so you have better torque and power curves. When done right, superchargers typically > turbochargers.
Huh? What KIND of s/c ? A roots type is over driven and makes good bottom end power & has good power over a wide RPM range vs a centrifugal s/c that make most of it power at the top end (it is more RPM dependent) but makes a TON at the top, but neither one is ALWAYS spooled..EVER. Turbos are more efficient, are NOT belt driven and hence are NOT RPM dependent, and can be built to make great bottom and still pull hard on the top. Turbo systems are the choice for anyone other than pure 1320 guys
A supercharger is ALWAYS spooled- 100% of the time- they are ALWAYS compressing air as long as the engine is running, unlike turbos which don't spool until mid to high RPMs, depending on the side of the turbo. Superchargers don't have to spool up (see: turbo lag), because they're being constantly driven.
S/C is ALWAYS spooled huh? As long as the engine is running? Oh wow, call up Kenne Bell and ask them what a "bypass valve" is. Do you think it's making boost the entire time? As long as the car is in vacuum, there is ZERO boost being made and the bypass valve is open. Wow, no boost at vaccum, sounds just like a turbo? Yeah, same shit. Obviously you've never even had a car with a boost gauge... SO have you found my 1000hp+ S/C vettes yet? Fukn clown
If you think installing a turbo is hard, then installing a centrifugal s/c is going to be just as hard, because you need to route the compressor side to the intake of the vehicle, which, you guessed it, requires tubing.
You have absolutely no experience with cars, apparently- I speak from experience, having "picked up a wrench", and doing it my own way, so you can go suck a cock.
ROFL doing it your own way is clearly WRONG when you think "routing the compressor side to the intake" is difficult considering that's required on ANY F/I EVER!
Installing a centrifugal supercharger is MUCH easier than a turbo, ESPECIALLY since you don't have to fab HALF as much piping up as you do for the turbo.
Like I said before- it depends. None of the work with installing a turbo is hard. The only thing that would make it hard is if you don't have the proper equipment to get the job done. As far a fabrication goes, 80% of the time, if not more, people install a turbo KIT, which would come with the necessary parts and connections to get the job done. If you can't figure that out, you shouldn't even be under the hood of a car.
Turbo's aren't harder, they're more time consuming.
@Alstar250 i dont get what your trying to prove at all? a supercharger is always spooling cause its always on a belt. and the belt spins the supercharger, shoving air into the engine, so what are you proving? there always spooling
@Camaros5678 : Again, I think you guys that right this stuff have never owned a S/C vehicle. 1st off a cent S/C (Vortech/Paxton etc) are basically belt driven turbos, but the amount of air & the amount of boost is DIRECTLY dependent on RPM. No revs no boost. 2nd there's BYPASS valve that 94XJ stated is like a fan clutch, it allows efficiency while at cruise on off boost situations (while in vacuum). Once throttle position, engine load & RPM all meet the requirement, ONLY then will it make boost
So are you trying to say that there is some sort of magical super charger lag similar to that of turbo lag? Depending on the setup, you're correct about it making boost due to the bypass valve/clutch... But that's the only thing. Superchargers are overdriven, so they're always turning faster than the crankshaft, meaning, if they don't have a clutch or bypass valve, which is common, they're always shoving more air in the intake than the engine is sucking in on its own, ie: boost.
@Alstar250 the only reason you have a bypass valve or blowoff valve is it releases the presure when you let off due to the presure built up by the turbo, sc and the throttle blades are closed if not the pipes will blow off
thevyris: Easy? You bolt up a s/c, slap on the belt and call it a day. Turbo systems are ALOT more work. Fab'n the kit, installation which will always include new intake piping, intercooler piping, also new oil lines, removing at least one exhaust manifold, and not to mention a new exhaust. Do your homework, not to mention.. How many 1000hp+ S/C Vettes, or S/C ANYTHINGS can you show me on you tube? Trying to be quik...LMAO
Wow, you really have no clue what you're talking about, do you?
The only thing difficult about a turbo setup is leading the exhaust manifold into the turbo, but in most cases there are aftermarket headers/manifolds that are designed for turbo systems- which takes out 99% of the headache. As far as tubing is concerned, centrifugal superchargers can be just as hard as they allow the use of intercoolers just like turbos- hell, they're just belt driven turbochargers...
Have you even done header on say... a mustang? DO you have any idea the time it takes to do just that? I've never seen a s/c system that required the removal of the exhaust manifolds..lol "Leading the exhaust manifold into the turbo?" Where are you gonna PUT the turbo? Centrifugal s/c are the EASIEST, they just bolt to the front of the motor, no removal of the intake, no removal of the exhaust , bolt on an intake, you're done. Just as hard? Quit believing what people tell you & pick up a wrench
Where are you going to put the turbo? Anywhere you have room- you could put it at the back of the car if you wanted to, as long as you had the intake feed running back to the front (and yes, there are kits that do that for vehicles like the Corvette).
I'm speaking from what I know- I've welded headers up, I've done plenty of custom work on dirt track race cars and mud trucks- the only dilemma with installing a turbo is getting the exhaust routed to it, and that can be VERY easy.
Oh wow you've welded headers, you must know so much about turbos lol.
No the REAL dilemma with a turbo is COOLING IT. Is it water cooled? Oil cooled? What? You have to route those lines, you have to also TUNE the car for it.
Yes little backyard turbo projects are easy because the car isn't driven on the streets by someone who wants it to be calm.
SunDownPoint you said ''not to mention it's faster'' I LOVE CORVETTES, but it's no were near the Veyron you cant compare 638hp to 1001hp you just cant. Now i could be confused because i see you said ZR-1 as in the 1990 or 2009?
REALLY????????? I like vettes but I call bullshit veyron does 0-100 quicker than most cars 0-60 and traction???? its rear engine AWD lol im pretty sure it would win
What are you talking about? I'm not talking about fastest top speed car, I'm talking about on the track. And on the track, the Veyron gets whooped by the vette.
I thought you meant drag strip, lol my bad on a street course with corners the veyron gets wooped but considering its weight compared to the vettes the still look like they handle well
yeah you guys win ahahaha. but no matter if you buy a bentley, ferrari, porsche, audi, aston martin...thay all make american cars look like junk. I agree, I love the way american muscle sounds i mean nothing beats that but they cant compare to the fine leathers, the hand crafts...etc of european cars. I would hate for a man in a corvette to smoke me in my lambo though ahahaha but if i had the money i would buy one of those vettes to cant lie.
That's pretty funny cause what the germans did with the Bugatti Veyron and their Quad Turbocharged W16 engine, Americans did faster with their SSC Aero with a small single supercharged V8. Not to mention the germans never did antying as good as the corvette because the corvette ZR-1 is the fastest track car in the world, next to the Viper ACR. Please leave your useless uneducated comments to yourself.
well look how beautiful the veyron is and how useless, cheap, and old the fuckin aero looks. Have you seen the interior of one..it looks like a piece of shit. Seems like the americans can only do one thing at a time ahahah while europeans have speed and class. What type of name is Aero anyway ahahaha. And 100,000 for a corvette??? are you fucking kidding me, and after that hundred grand all it is is fast. But...my argument was THAT PORSCHE will EAT this crap. PERIOD. Dont be mad.
Buddy all you stated was your opinion that you personally thought it was ugly, but I can guarentee you, you are almost the only one in your boat. The veyron is far from a beautiful car, yes it's fancy, yes it's luxurious, but YES IT'S ALSO 1.3 MILLION DOLLARS!!! While in my opinion the ZR-1 is much nicer than the veyron, not to mention it's faster, and ONLY 100k. It is the best performance car for the dollar in the world, and your complaining about ugly interior? Lol, you know nothing of cars...
when it comes down to it everyone has their own likes and dislikes. Personally If I had the money I would buy that corvette above us for sure lol. Their is no denying its fast as fuck but when people argue speed, with the right amount of money a ford focus could probably smoke a porsche or this corvette. By parts it might not be a focus anymore but you get what im saying.
Maybe on the drag strip, but I don't think a ford focus would ever best a corvette on the track, no matter what you do, it just doesn't have the wheel base, or the low height or center of gravity, or the aerodynamic aspects. You did know the corvette is the most aerodynamic production car in the world don't you?
No I didnt know that but it sure does look like it. How much would this type of vette cost? with the twin turbos and everything......? Another question for you.... what about the ZR1, if you put twin turbos on that, it would smoke this?
Well the ZR-1 is fully forged and already has the compression ratio set for twin turbos, on a normal corvette you could do the same thing, although it would take a little bit more work. As for this car I don't know what he has changed, but in terms of engine and twin turbo setup he probably spent about 10-15k.
its the logic behind it.. When one thinks of american cars one thinks of Big and Bulgy.. They dont want to lose theyr reputation by making some 3.0 Litre car. And besides the Corvette is about the Cheapest Sports car ull get and its one of the best. So its pretty value for money
A stock ZR1 has 638hp at the crank, not at the wheels. The stock ZR1 has around 515hp at the wheels. This Z06 has 625hp at wheels and the 110hp difference is definitely noticeable. The base price of a ZR1 is $103,970 and the base price of a Z06 is $73,925. You can do a lot to a ZO6 for $30,000.
u r correct also if u forged the engine and put more cash u can eceed 1000hp+ all corvette engines r great 4 modding and show impressive performance. thou for the price tag of the zr1 ur getting better compnents carbon ceramic brakes from the enzo and better suspesion (lots of goodies) all depends what you want and what ur willing 2 pay ;)
b4 the zr1 came out this was the first twin turbo kit that came out for the z06 (and that can handle up 2 1000hp). if u take the ls9 and replace the supercharger with twin turbos vs turboing the ls7 7.0L the more CC will win. + sum people like more liters and the feel of the turbos but its for your taste. thou sum components on the zr1 r very uniqe ex. same brakes as the enzo the z06 imo would be better for modding with F.I it all depends on how much $ u hav and what ur willing to do
well they both increase the pressure inside the engine so neither is necessarily better for the engine... i prefer supercharged cars over turbos because you get better performance in the low rpm range... you dont need to add an intercooler... generally less maintenance i find
and I still say teflon don't even stay on a frying pan let alone a cilinder wall no wonder nitro methain don't touch any honda engines and the best horspower per weight engine is a 1hp cox model airplain engine burning nitro
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I'll tell you why no-one has got honda 8000hp tractor pullers!!! COZ NO ONE GIVE A FUCK In fact nearly everyone thinks its completely fucking stupid except for you guys. LOL
If you trying to compare the technological might of the Honda Motor Co to your tractors, you should check your medication, check your prostate and ban yourself from the nursing homes internet old timer
your word is IF LOL is that all you got o YES THAT IS ALL YOU HAVE IF yes they make that many combustion engines like weed eaters and lawn mowers and cultavators take your honda back to japan and harikari the mosler corners dumb shit it's a mid engine push rod lower center of gravity than OHC and is lighter overall with bigger rubber than stock this car is a stree leagel american road king the only enemy it has is a speedbump mabey acc ultmate areo nothing accross the sea mabey that kosseaggeee
Power?
craig1h 1 month ago
very good looking car, roar of the V8 seems a bit covered by the turbos though. sad panda
anteeboy 2 months ago
It doesn't sound or act TTcharged... And no shot of the numbers but still nice car!
brittonmaxwell 7 months ago
Sexy
blazzing4321 8 months ago
@blazzing4321 Its too bad APS doesn't make these kits anymore. TTiX and numerous other shops make good kits now.
kageryu311 7 months ago
Z06 is so
blazzing4321 8 months ago
don't sound like a turbo to me :o / just the dyno whining.....
Kodiak8788 1 year ago
@Kodiak8788 its probably really low boost on pump gas
mazda6tuner99 1 year ago
natural aspiration FTW
lol
muffinman2874 1 year ago
Turbos pwn Superchargers.
Croozer 1 year ago
@Croozer In the long run, yes. Off the line, no. 100% equal engines, gearing, tires, traction, weight, a turbo will win in the long run (1/4mi, 1/2mi) vs. the s/charged wins 1/8mi. Parasitic loss from the s/charger is the main reason.
marcomariaz26 1 year ago
i just fell in love
labreck12 1 year ago
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*These things don't last long. like 200,000 miles. So which is more reliable? Corvette base, or corvette Z06 ????
EngleSackJus 1 year ago
how come nothing is holding it down, what if it jumped off the rollers?!!!!
rosettastone4you 1 year ago
@rosettastone4you obviously something is holding it down, you just can't see it because it's in back.
TheSmoonge 1 year ago
at alstar250 you cant get boost until you get a load on it like a trans brake or a launch control box. i had both a sc and a turbo, you cant get more than 3 to 4 psi off launch without one of those and psi is a restriction get bigger heads and cylinders you will get the less boost due to more airflow and the rpm have nothing to do with it bonce the rev limiter in nutrual or push the clutch in and see how much boost you get mabee 3 to 4 pounds
383with400shot 1 year ago
@383with400shot : What are you talking about???
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Fkkn awesome corvette). But hey Check out my channel for some moar lol :) Im trying to start something. i would really appreciate feedback :)
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RyinnHD 1 year ago
Thats cool, I didnt want to see the graph or figures anywho :P
jaydnisevil 1 year ago
Needs to be the next bat mobile...
bkbaughn 1 year ago
tboninator is right its instant power no lag
krunklemonade 1 year ago
Thats one sick vette
BigRogers7870 1 year ago
Wicked car, just need a tint job =]
kr0niXz 1 year ago
actual you can get 800bhp natural aspirated with 10grand parts
shadowforce9 1 year ago
what size rims are on the rear
dopephat 2 years ago
nice rims !!
svetlin1f 2 years ago
thanks
06tCmF 2 years ago
This thing is super clean can we maybe get a video of it on the street
williamtricia81 2 years ago 9
Watch this video and tell me if you don't think the turbo come on quick enough.
watch?v=6HHs-DwgTwx4&feature=related
Turbos are always spinning as well, but just not making boost. Most supercharger setups have a bypass that operates under vacuum so it technically is not always making boost. Big turbos on 3.0 I6 Supras and 4 cylinders will always take alot of time. Turbocharged V8s are a totally different situation.
Marc99GT 2 years ago 8
@Marc99GT i agree everywhere except where you say they always take a long time to spool on 6, or 4 cylinder cars. Not true :)
JangoFette89 1 year ago
@JangoFette89 Remember I said Big turbos. I shouldn't have said a long time because that is relative. I will say it will almost always take longer than on a V8.
Marc99GT 1 year ago
I would take a base Corvette C6 08+ and ad a APS TT Kit in a minute. It is involved, but the torque curve will be amazing and the pull, especially with the 6 speed auto, would be linear and very strong.
Marc99GT 2 years ago
thas what u call beautiful car and fast !!!
cubanboy585 2 years ago
you can't boost an ls7 high can you? cause the cylinder walls are thin yeah?
and thats why for the zr1 they used a smaller displacment motor?
jak4cars 2 years ago
Corvettes in all black just look absolutely menacing.
TequilaKG 2 years ago
This looks like the Bat Mobile. :)
By the way, a supercharger is not always spooled up. It begins to do so around 2000rpms depending on the type.
donperrignon 2 years ago
Tboninator = CLOWN . He thinks turbo systems are easier to install than centrifugal s/c's - He thinks this Vette is gonna be FASTER with a s/c . He thinks s/c are ALWAYS spooled as "long as the car is running". He thinks turbo make terrible bottom end. He thinks working on "Mud Trucks & Dirt Trackers" make him qualified to even understand computer controlled engine management, volumetric efficiency, or just basic physics... Here ya go, here's 2 tickets to the monster trucks. Whats your paypal?
Alstar250 2 years ago
lol ouch, looks like you ripped into him pretty hard.
TequilaKG 2 years ago
You sound like you know alot about this kinda stuff. What do you think is more efficient on a v8, twin turbos or a really big single?
thacrunkmasta69 2 years ago
@thacrunkmasta69
Depends on how the twin turbos are setup. On a V8, with a turbo for each bank of cylinders, they're going to spool up more like a turbo on a 4 cylinder motor. If those turbos are as big, or close to being as big as the "really big single", then the single turbo would probably spool up faster. However, if you had a, I believe it's called a "sequential" twin turbo setup, with one small turbo, and one larger turbo, that would be the most efficient.
Tboninator 1 year ago
Alstar250 = COWARD. If you're going to reply to me, use the reply button instead of trying to hide it.
I never said anything about a car (particularly a Vette) being faster with a S/C. Superchargers are ALWAYS spooled- ALWAYS. They are constantly being driven at a rate many times faster than the crank, which is why you don't have lag like you would in a turbo- they "spool" instantly, so you could say they're always spooled... I don't see how you don't understand this.
Tboninator 2 years ago 3
@Tboninator but their maximum boost only occurs at max rpm and there is power loss from driving the supercharger, so once the turbo is up to max boost the power delivery is much smoother (assuming no variable valve lift to compensate), especially when you are trying to get big power from smaller engines. supercharging works best for mild pressures and turbos are best for big HP
serbonbon 1 year ago
@serbonbon
No, not necessarily. While I could see why you would think that, it's not true. Since a supercharger is overdriven, meaning it's spun faster than the crankshaft, it's always trying to push more air in than the motor is sucking in on it's own. Because of this, they have a bypass valve, which is very similar to a blowoff valve. The bypass regulates the amount of boost, so a supercharger that's set to make about 8 psi will make 8 psi through most of it's RPM range.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator. oh yeah certainly and that works very well when you arent trying to push big psi. for lower pressures then a s/c works better than a turbo for that reason. however for large pressures (high hp) the engine has to work very hard to drive the s/c so in effect the result is an engine that gets exponentially more power the higher the RPM while feeling comparatively weak at lower RPM. This exponential power-delivery is sub-optimal for track driving. for huge PSi= turbo. low psi= s/c
serbonbon 1 year ago
@serbonbon
Funny, I never see any turbocharged top fuel dragsters- those make 8000+ horsepower. :P
You're right, though, turbocharging is better for high horsepower, because it's essentially free horsepower, however, for low end grunt, you will never beat a supercharger. The supercharger is always spooled, so when you mash the gas, you're making boost and horsepower instantly.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator i think you and serbonbon should just kiss and get it over with!
brettsvn 1 year ago
@brettsvn
Ok.... ?
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator ok im pretty sure he will be down so i asked him, i will tell you the response or you could read it... take it easy!
brettsvn 1 year ago
@brettsvn
You're quite the matchmaker... But he's not quite my type (wrong gender), so feel free to take him for yourself.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator
brettsvn 1 year ago
@serbonbon hey tboninator said he will seal the deal with a kiss, are you down or what?
brettsvn 1 year ago
@brettsvn well he has got a tremendous knowledge about forced induction which as we all know is very sexy, but you did an auto to manual swap on a supra which is right up there. you sir must get a lot of ass
serbonbon 1 year ago
@serbonbon hahahahaha yea it was on a eclipse though, chicks dig that kind of shit anyway lol take it easy!
brettsvn 1 year ago
@Tboninator
Superchargers aren't "always" spooled...what about when the engine is off?
Seriously though, some SCs are equipped with clutches like a clutch fan and they only engage when X amount of torque is applied and though they're spinning faster than the crank they're not ALWAYS on boost so not technically spooled...just like at idle a turbo is spinning because of the air being sucked through it but it isn't making boost.
But yes, SC response is essentially instant
94XJ 1 year ago
@94XJ
lol, I did say while the engine was running in a few of my posts.
Well, it depends on how you have it set up- most of the superchargers I've seen are directly driven (in the sense that there are no clutches or anything like that), meaning that it's being driven a rate faster than the crank, and that will never change, meaning that at any given RPM, the supercharger is sucking in, and compressing, more air than the engine is sucking in on it's own. Now, if it's clutch driven...
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator agreed
GIjoemomma002 1 year ago
@Tboninator Any belt driven device supercharger or belt driven charger takes hp from the engine to make more hp, but w/ a turbo you get the hp the engine makes and the hp of the turbo and turbo lag depends on engine displacement, if your running a 4 or 6 cyl. yeah you will have lag but w/ most turbocharged 8 cyl engines you have very little if any turbo lag at least not noticiably anyway.
bdcool412 1 year ago
@bdcool412
When you install a supercharger, you're not worried about the amount of power to operate it, because of the simple fact that you're getting a lot more back than what you're taking away. Lose a little, gain a lot.
As for turbos, you lose a bit on the bottom end when you're not spooled because of increased backpressure.
The amount of turbo lag depends on your setup, even a big V8... Put a huge turbo on there, and you'll have have lag. It all just depends.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@bdcool412 True,, a turbo is a much more efficient power adder, and a turbo will cover a belt-driven SC by 100 ft. lbs. in the torque dept at the same boost level.
Croozer 1 year ago
@Tboninator I Know Right Some PPL Should Just Read A Book Or Something
xXxJakeLambBoyXxX 1 year ago
@Tboninator - What you've said is true of positive displacement screw type superchargers like the one used on the ZR-1. However a centrifugal supercharger like a Vortech accelerates at the same rate as the engine (although turning many times faster) and generally creates a powerband similar to that of a turbocharger.
randoman75 1 year ago
@Tboninator only problem is they are a "parasitic" forced induction where as a turbo is not. The TVS eatons are the shit though 75% + effec. thats ballin for a supercharger.
Daytonaman675 1 year ago
@Tboninator while it's true they are always spooled with larger displacement motors and properly sized turbos lag is next to non existent. Blowers still need to build boost they are not sitting there making peak boost 100% of the time.
A simple example I have a 66mm turbo on my 07 Mustang and I am at 5psi at 2200rpm, 15psi by 3200. Now given I run a 2600 stall (yes it's an auto) in a drag race I come off quite hard. On a road course I build power nicely around the apex and smoothly out.
blasimatt 1 year ago
@Tboninator should note I'm not trying to call you out just make it clear for others who read the comment that there is more to it and while there is spooled there is also the level of boost it sits at.
The main issue with Corvette though is that roots and twin screw designs have the issue of not fitting under the factory hood thus having to lower the motor or get a aftermarket hood - in the case of the ZR1 GM did both.
blasimatt 1 year ago
@blasimatt
So how does it build boost then? The only time a supercharger will not be making boost is when the charger has a bypass or the motor isn't running, otherwise, since it's being constantly driven at a certain rate faster than the engine, it will always be making boost, pushing more air into the engine than it would be taking in on it's own. For example, a super charger driven to produce 10 pounds of boost, will do so throughout the entire RPM range, unless there is a bypass valve.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator i'm not saying they lag and I am saying they build boost instantly - one of their highest benefits is throttle response - most cases this is done through an internal bypass valve in the supercharger that directs air around it when there is not enough. essentially the boos is still being made it is just not being forced into the engine.
blasimatt 1 year ago
@blasimatt
The only time I could imagine the boost actually lowering is when first stepping on the throttle, when the valve opens, relieving the vacuum, but pressure would immediately be brought back up.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator yes once the bypass is shut it would see pressure immediately as we have both said.
I believe we are going in circles I suggest we continue this in PM or email / IM whatever - if you want to you can PM me for contact info and we can discuss this in great detail.
blasimatt 1 year ago
@blasimatt
If I'm wrong in saying that, feel free to correct me, provided you have ample evidence or something to back it up, because I can't imagine, knowing what I know, why supercharger would not be making constant pressure.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator it will run at 10psi through the range but when cruising and not heavy on the throttle you can keep it from building the boost. Your crank speed combined with pulley size determines how fast the pulley will turn and thus how much the supercharger is turned and how much boost is made.
If you go full throttle you go to full boost but if you are just cruising down the street your not spinning the crank as fast. Ever hit the gas and notice the belt spins faster when you do?
blasimatt 1 year ago
@blasimatt
As you just said, boost is based off crank speed. If that's the case, which it is, then throttle makes no difference.
The bypass valve, as I understand it, exists so that the engine is not being boosted while at lower RPMs, making for a smoother idle and easier starts, and then that valve closes as the RPM picks up. Not all super chargers have this bypass valve, though I would guess most newer ones do.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator boost made by the blower is based on the crank speed but the throttle regulates how much air is let in the engine which tells it to open/close the bypass valve and thus instead of the boost being recycled or vented via a bypass or BOV it is fed to the engine.
I have never seen a setup without one - sometimes it is referred to as "anti-surge" or "blow off" valve. Without one pressure isn't released & can damage the SCs drive system & the throttle body.
blasimatt 1 year ago
@Tboninator
This is my understanding: more throttle=higher crank speed = more boost made. Boost is a measure of restriction at the inlet side of the valve therefor translates to positive manifold preassure(Boost). Centri blowers use Blow off valves just like turbo's to bleed off excessive preasure.
designer1240 11 months ago
@Tboninator They are placed before the throttle blades/body inlet and run on engine vacume .If you are in the throttle hard then closed quickly the preasureized air backs up before it is introduced into the intake plenum hence the blow off valve opens whatever it's set at. At cruising speed the valve is open because there is vacume and as you accelarate vacume goes away hence the valve closes. What do you think?
designer1240 11 months ago
@designer1240
Ok... I'm not going to disagree with that... But I will state that I wasn't ever really talking about blow off valves. I was mentioning more the delay involved with a turbo as compared to a supercharger due to the required spooling of a turbo, that is nonexistent with a supercharger, and I made a generalized statement that they are always spooled, thus always making boost. Anything else is left to whatever valving you have in there, and how its adjusted- beside the point.
Tboninator 11 months ago
@Tboninator I guess the way i worded it can sound confusing because yes the boost is there it is just being recycled and not sent into the engine so the supercharger is making it the engine is not getting it.
blasimatt 1 year ago
@Tboninator I guess the way i worded it can sound confusing because yes the boost is there it is just being recycled and not sent into the engine so the supercharger is making it the engine is not getting it.
In the case of centri blowers it is an external bypass ...
blasimatt 1 year ago
My experience with mud trucks and dirt track cars is no different than if I were working on autocrossers or street rods- I've done exhausts- I've MADE headers and exhaust manifolds FROM SCRATCH. What don't you understand about this? Did your mommy drop you or something?
And for the record, yes, turbos don't help the bottom end, because, unlike a S/C, they're not constantly driven at a rate that will compress air... Hence turbo lag. S/Cs will actually help the bottom end, unlike turbos.
Tboninator 2 years ago
Test your theory (unless they all come out of Truckin') and get into a centrifugal supercharged car. Go 70mph in 5th gear and...floor it! WHAAAT? No boost? Nothing happens? But Grave Digger's is ALWAYS boostin, I know cuz I welded his headers! Yeah, sorry, they only way it'll EVER make boost is either wait until it eventually gets above 4k, or DOWNSHIFT into 3rd and bounce! I know because I HAD a Vortech and it ran hard...when revved. I'm speaking from 1st hand experience, not what Utube told me
Alstar250 2 years ago
I agree 100%. I owned and built and 87 Buick Grand National and also a 99 GT that I had a Vortech V2 S-trim and then a T-76 turbo kit. The problem is the Supercharger is ALWAYS taking power to make power. The bigger the Supercharger, the more it is taking. A properly sized turbo with the right exhaust is much more efficient (check the efficiency maps) than a similar size centrifugal SC head unit. I think most people have no idea what turbo lag is. in most cases, it is a fraction of 1 second.
Marc99GT 2 years ago
The bigger the turbo, the bigger the lag (bigger turbine takes longer to spin up). In a stock situation (stock turbo) it takes well more than a "fraction of 1 second" to spool up and create power, and that's true for many aftermarket turbo setups, too. It just depends on what you have, but I've never heard of a turbo spooling up so quick, unless you have a sequential setup- small and large turbos set up, one for bottom end (spools up quick) and one for top (spools up slower).
Tboninator 2 years ago
It also depends on the exhaust setup, Ball bearings and ceramic impellers or not. The T-76 on my 99 GT had a 3200 stall Stallion Converter and the tires were spinning by 3600 rpms. 8 cylinders of exhaust pushing through 1 turbo makes it spool real quick especially with ball bearings. I would spin the compressor wheel with my fingers and it would spin for a few minutes. BB Turbos spool really quick, but it has to be a properly sized turbo for the application.
Marc99GT 2 years ago
A supercharger is ALWAYS driven. Whether it is making power at a certain RPM depends on your setup. A supercharger is ALWAYS driven, therefore it is ALWAYS compressing air, regardless if centrifugal, whipple, roots, etc
Tboninator 2 years ago
Oh, and yes, I have seen 1000hp supercharged Corvettes. YouTube is a wonderful place. You should try it some time.
Tboninator 2 years ago 3
why is everybody putting turbos on their cars? because its easy. superchargers are where its at if you spend the time and money you will get something way better then a vette trying to be quick with its turbos
thevyris 2 years ago
not true my man...turbo's are free horsepower..they dont take any to spin them and they have much more dramatic gains...superchargers take horsepower to spin and if you have a turbo you can stay out of it and still get the same fuel economy that you would get if you didnt have it..in my opinion turbos are the way to go unless your building an all out dragster....Top fuel for example :P
cmoncalian 2 years ago
depends on how you want your power too
off the line or up high
gdcod3player 2 years ago
yeah superchargers are instant response where as turbos have "turbo lag" its ones choice.... they both kick ass
cmoncalian 2 years ago
heck yea they do
gdcod3player 2 years ago
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Alstar250 2 years ago
It may take a little horsepower to spool a supercharger, but that's the thing- a supercharger is ALWAYS spooled, so you have better torque and power curves. When done right, superchargers typically > turbochargers.
Tboninator 2 years ago
yeah man i know. you see that vid of the red c6 z06 runnin 8's supercharged..the thing is evil
cmoncalian 2 years ago
Not really... Before a turbo spools, they actually restrict airflow- hence the reason they decrease performance on the bottom end.
Tboninator 2 years ago
Huh? What KIND of s/c ? A roots type is over driven and makes good bottom end power & has good power over a wide RPM range vs a centrifugal s/c that make most of it power at the top end (it is more RPM dependent) but makes a TON at the top, but neither one is ALWAYS spooled..EVER. Turbos are more efficient, are NOT belt driven and hence are NOT RPM dependent, and can be built to make great bottom and still pull hard on the top. Turbo systems are the choice for anyone other than pure 1320 guys
Alstar250 2 years ago
L. O. L.
A supercharger is ALWAYS spooled- 100% of the time- they are ALWAYS compressing air as long as the engine is running, unlike turbos which don't spool until mid to high RPMs, depending on the side of the turbo. Superchargers don't have to spool up (see: turbo lag), because they're being constantly driven.
You're such an idiot. lol
Tboninator 2 years ago
S/C is ALWAYS spooled huh? As long as the engine is running? Oh wow, call up Kenne Bell and ask them what a "bypass valve" is. Do you think it's making boost the entire time? As long as the car is in vacuum, there is ZERO boost being made and the bypass valve is open. Wow, no boost at vaccum, sounds just like a turbo? Yeah, same shit. Obviously you've never even had a car with a boost gauge... SO have you found my 1000hp+ S/C vettes yet? Fukn clown
Alstar250 2 years ago
If you think installing a turbo is hard, then installing a centrifugal s/c is going to be just as hard, because you need to route the compressor side to the intake of the vehicle, which, you guessed it, requires tubing.
You have absolutely no experience with cars, apparently- I speak from experience, having "picked up a wrench", and doing it my own way, so you can go suck a cock.
Tboninator 2 years ago
ROFL doing it your own way is clearly WRONG when you think "routing the compressor side to the intake" is difficult considering that's required on ANY F/I EVER!
Installing a centrifugal supercharger is MUCH easier than a turbo, ESPECIALLY since you don't have to fab HALF as much piping up as you do for the turbo.
vashthethird 2 years ago
Like I said before- it depends. None of the work with installing a turbo is hard. The only thing that would make it hard is if you don't have the proper equipment to get the job done. As far a fabrication goes, 80% of the time, if not more, people install a turbo KIT, which would come with the necessary parts and connections to get the job done. If you can't figure that out, you shouldn't even be under the hood of a car.
Turbo's aren't harder, they're more time consuming.
Tboninator 2 years ago
@Alstar250 i dont get what your trying to prove at all? a supercharger is always spooling cause its always on a belt. and the belt spins the supercharger, shoving air into the engine, so what are you proving? there always spooling
Camaros5678 1 year ago
@Camaros5678 : Again, I think you guys that right this stuff have never owned a S/C vehicle. 1st off a cent S/C (Vortech/Paxton etc) are basically belt driven turbos, but the amount of air & the amount of boost is DIRECTLY dependent on RPM. No revs no boost. 2nd there's BYPASS valve that 94XJ stated is like a fan clutch, it allows efficiency while at cruise on off boost situations (while in vacuum). Once throttle position, engine load & RPM all meet the requirement, ONLY then will it make boost
Alstar250 1 year ago
@Alstar250
So are you trying to say that there is some sort of magical super charger lag similar to that of turbo lag? Depending on the setup, you're correct about it making boost due to the bypass valve/clutch... But that's the only thing. Superchargers are overdriven, so they're always turning faster than the crankshaft, meaning, if they don't have a clutch or bypass valve, which is common, they're always shoving more air in the intake than the engine is sucking in on its own, ie: boost.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Alstar250 the only reason you have a bypass valve or blowoff valve is it releases the presure when you let off due to the presure built up by the turbo, sc and the throttle blades are closed if not the pipes will blow off
383with400shot 1 year ago
thevyris: Easy? You bolt up a s/c, slap on the belt and call it a day. Turbo systems are ALOT more work. Fab'n the kit, installation which will always include new intake piping, intercooler piping, also new oil lines, removing at least one exhaust manifold, and not to mention a new exhaust. Do your homework, not to mention.. How many 1000hp+ S/C Vettes, or S/C ANYTHINGS can you show me on you tube? Trying to be quik...LMAO
Alstar250 2 years ago
Wow, you really have no clue what you're talking about, do you?
The only thing difficult about a turbo setup is leading the exhaust manifold into the turbo, but in most cases there are aftermarket headers/manifolds that are designed for turbo systems- which takes out 99% of the headache. As far as tubing is concerned, centrifugal superchargers can be just as hard as they allow the use of intercoolers just like turbos- hell, they're just belt driven turbochargers...
Tboninator 2 years ago
Have you even done header on say... a mustang? DO you have any idea the time it takes to do just that? I've never seen a s/c system that required the removal of the exhaust manifolds..lol "Leading the exhaust manifold into the turbo?" Where are you gonna PUT the turbo? Centrifugal s/c are the EASIEST, they just bolt to the front of the motor, no removal of the intake, no removal of the exhaust , bolt on an intake, you're done. Just as hard? Quit believing what people tell you & pick up a wrench
Alstar250 2 years ago
Where are you going to put the turbo? Anywhere you have room- you could put it at the back of the car if you wanted to, as long as you had the intake feed running back to the front (and yes, there are kits that do that for vehicles like the Corvette).
I'm speaking from what I know- I've welded headers up, I've done plenty of custom work on dirt track race cars and mud trucks- the only dilemma with installing a turbo is getting the exhaust routed to it, and that can be VERY easy.
Tboninator 2 years ago
Oh wow you've welded headers, you must know so much about turbos lol.
No the REAL dilemma with a turbo is COOLING IT. Is it water cooled? Oil cooled? What? You have to route those lines, you have to also TUNE the car for it.
Yes little backyard turbo projects are easy because the car isn't driven on the streets by someone who wants it to be calm.
vashthethird 2 years ago
wow... you have no idea what your talking about.
you should try just speaking about things you know about. you sound less stupid that way.
tubestick00 2 years ago
Very nice. And to idiots below, the whine your are hearing is the rollers on the dyno, not the car. The car us running smooth.
Phatbowser 2 years ago
nothing special.
bigbad1000do7a 2 years ago
that doesnt sound very good
rangersfromhell777 2 years ago
fuck that sounds gooood!!!! rip your girlfriends extensions right of her head... with the windows closed...
Jcashrulez 2 years ago
SunDownPoint you said ''not to mention it's faster'' I LOVE CORVETTES, but it's no were near the Veyron you cant compare 638hp to 1001hp you just cant. Now i could be confused because i see you said ZR-1 as in the 1990 or 2009?
joker2011 2 years ago
I was talking about on the track. The ZR1 holds a much faster track time than the veyron, even with less hp.
SunDownPoint 2 years ago 3
REALLY????????? I like vettes but I call bullshit veyron does 0-100 quicker than most cars 0-60 and traction???? its rear engine AWD lol im pretty sure it would win
lukesimianer 2 years ago
What are you talking about? I'm not talking about fastest top speed car, I'm talking about on the track. And on the track, the Veyron gets whooped by the vette.
SunDownPoint 2 years ago
I thought you meant drag strip, lol my bad on a street course with corners the veyron gets wooped but considering its weight compared to the vettes the still look like they handle well
lukesimianer 2 years ago
horsepower dont mean a think if u cant put it to the pavement
shortdude90009 2 years ago
then go buy you veyron you cant even aford a geo metro
03silverss 2 years ago
yeah you guys win ahahaha. but no matter if you buy a bentley, ferrari, porsche, audi, aston martin...thay all make american cars look like junk. I agree, I love the way american muscle sounds i mean nothing beats that but they cant compare to the fine leathers, the hand crafts...etc of european cars. I would hate for a man in a corvette to smoke me in my lambo though ahahaha but if i had the money i would buy one of those vettes to cant lie.
ChrisESPOne 2 years ago
You dont have a lamborghini. Stop trying to sound cool. In the real world you drive civic.
WhiteLoneWolf10 2 years ago
me? I dont have a lambo, Im saying if i did i would hate to be beat by a corvette.
ChrisESPOne 2 years ago
My Trans Am has leather seats and power adjusting components inside it.
lpxstr33tsoldier 2 years ago
it takes the americans 7 liters to do what the germans have done with 3 LOL.
ChrisESPOne 2 years ago
That's pretty funny cause what the germans did with the Bugatti Veyron and their Quad Turbocharged W16 engine, Americans did faster with their SSC Aero with a small single supercharged V8. Not to mention the germans never did antying as good as the corvette because the corvette ZR-1 is the fastest track car in the world, next to the Viper ACR. Please leave your useless uneducated comments to yourself.
SunDownPoint 2 years ago 2
well look how beautiful the veyron is and how useless, cheap, and old the fuckin aero looks. Have you seen the interior of one..it looks like a piece of shit. Seems like the americans can only do one thing at a time ahahah while europeans have speed and class. What type of name is Aero anyway ahahaha. And 100,000 for a corvette??? are you fucking kidding me, and after that hundred grand all it is is fast. But...my argument was THAT PORSCHE will EAT this crap. PERIOD. Dont be mad.
ChrisESPOne 2 years ago
Buddy all you stated was your opinion that you personally thought it was ugly, but I can guarentee you, you are almost the only one in your boat. The veyron is far from a beautiful car, yes it's fancy, yes it's luxurious, but YES IT'S ALSO 1.3 MILLION DOLLARS!!! While in my opinion the ZR-1 is much nicer than the veyron, not to mention it's faster, and ONLY 100k. It is the best performance car for the dollar in the world, and your complaining about ugly interior? Lol, you know nothing of cars...
SunDownPoint 2 years ago
when it comes down to it everyone has their own likes and dislikes. Personally If I had the money I would buy that corvette above us for sure lol. Their is no denying its fast as fuck but when people argue speed, with the right amount of money a ford focus could probably smoke a porsche or this corvette. By parts it might not be a focus anymore but you get what im saying.
ChrisESPOne 2 years ago
Maybe on the drag strip, but I don't think a ford focus would ever best a corvette on the track, no matter what you do, it just doesn't have the wheel base, or the low height or center of gravity, or the aerodynamic aspects. You did know the corvette is the most aerodynamic production car in the world don't you?
SunDownPoint 2 years ago
No I didnt know that but it sure does look like it. How much would this type of vette cost? with the twin turbos and everything......? Another question for you.... what about the ZR1, if you put twin turbos on that, it would smoke this?
ChrisESPOne 2 years ago
Well the ZR-1 is fully forged and already has the compression ratio set for twin turbos, on a normal corvette you could do the same thing, although it would take a little bit more work. As for this car I don't know what he has changed, but in terms of engine and twin turbo setup he probably spent about 10-15k.
SunDownPoint 2 years ago
it takes over $100,000 for the german audi r8 while you can spend under that for z06 which would equal it if not beat it
EVGAguy2 2 years ago
its the logic behind it.. When one thinks of american cars one thinks of Big and Bulgy.. They dont want to lose theyr reputation by making some 3.0 Litre car. And besides the Corvette is about the Cheapest Sports car ull get and its one of the best. So its pretty value for money
vincent4492 2 years ago
i call that the corvette eater.
ChrisESPOne 2 years ago
( Porsche 911 Twin Turbo Modified to the hilt ) - type that.
That car will eat this like it hasnt eaten in weeks.
ChrisESPOne 2 years ago
That was a very ignorant and uneducated statement.
SunDownPoint 2 years ago
go get a tissue for your tears.
ChrisESPOne 2 years ago
well i guess when its all done you put 20gs into it but a zr1 is 120gs so your still good
slofootball22 2 years ago
Fuck that thing is sexy!!!
mfm28 2 years ago 3
kiss my ass Zo6...
EngleSackJus 2 years ago
numbers??
squarecnix 2 years ago
625whp & 540 tq
adamkawwaff 2 years ago
why would want this when u can get a ZR1 with 638hp stock...
scottman690 2 years ago
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jeff20453 2 years ago
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jeff20453 2 years ago
A stock ZR1 has 638hp at the crank, not at the wheels. The stock ZR1 has around 515hp at the wheels. This Z06 has 625hp at wheels and the 110hp difference is definitely noticeable. The base price of a ZR1 is $103,970 and the base price of a Z06 is $73,925. You can do a lot to a ZO6 for $30,000.
jeff20453 2 years ago
u r correct also if u forged the engine and put more cash u can eceed 1000hp+ all corvette engines r great 4 modding and show impressive performance. thou for the price tag of the zr1 ur getting better compnents carbon ceramic brakes from the enzo and better suspesion (lots of goodies) all depends what you want and what ur willing 2 pay ;)
adamkawwaff 2 years ago
zo6 price is 70,000 and 140,000 for the zr1.
mTobaz 2 years ago
b4 the zr1 came out this was the first twin turbo kit that came out for the z06 (and that can handle up 2 1000hp). if u take the ls9 and replace the supercharger with twin turbos vs turboing the ls7 7.0L the more CC will win. + sum people like more liters and the feel of the turbos but its for your taste. thou sum components on the zr1 r very uniqe ex. same brakes as the enzo the z06 imo would be better for modding with F.I it all depends on how much $ u hav and what ur willing to do
adamkawwaff 2 years ago
Because, thats just being lazy. The best cars, are cars that you have put time into. Besides, a new zr1 wont sound anything as good as this car does.
k1ller498 2 years ago
Really? Sounds like you don't know anything about cars. A stock Z06 is 505 crankshaft HP. Add twin turbos and you could EASILY outrun a ZR1.
6digitz 2 years ago
that is one sexy vette!!!
shotstopper13 2 years ago
whats better APS twin turbo or procharger supercharged c6 z06 and why??? whats better for the engine, and whats faster pls answer...
Zeljko9292 2 years ago
well they both increase the pressure inside the engine so neither is necessarily better for the engine... i prefer supercharged cars over turbos because you get better performance in the low rpm range... you dont need to add an intercooler... generally less maintenance i find
topperspoppers 2 years ago
I love vettes and their long ass gears.....
08HellionGT 2 years ago
that vettes awesome..and looks great also.
38intense 2 years ago
I love the way black on black C6's look, hopefully I'll own one someday
M4xima 2 years ago 8
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Is that the v6 vette?
y2kalonn 2 years ago
are u retarded?
shahzam42691 2 years ago 2
asswipe
VivaLaNick335 2 years ago
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300hp nice
4nine8 2 years ago
300 x3
VivaLaNick335 2 years ago
I love the way black on black C6's look, hopefully I'll own one someday.
Soulja419 2 years ago 7
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now way thats twin turbo! the top of the rpm range would go nuts!
vr4evo 2 years ago
i somewhat agree with you in that it should have reved faster
tonyf686 2 years ago
and I still say teflon don't even stay on a frying pan let alone a cilinder wall no wonder nitro methain don't touch any honda engines and the best horspower per weight engine is a 1hp cox model airplain engine burning nitro
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sirlonghair 2 years ago
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I'll tell you why no-one has got honda 8000hp tractor pullers!!! COZ NO ONE GIVE A FUCK In fact nearly everyone thinks its completely fucking stupid except for you guys. LOL
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dangreenwood123 2 years ago
your word is IF LOL is that all you got o YES THAT IS ALL YOU HAVE IF yes they make that many combustion engines like weed eaters and lawn mowers and cultavators take your honda back to japan and harikari the mosler corners dumb shit it's a mid engine push rod lower center of gravity than OHC and is lighter overall with bigger rubber than stock this car is a stree leagel american road king the only enemy it has is a speedbump mabey acc ultmate areo nothing accross the sea mabey that kosseaggeee
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