To hear Piper say that wisdom is not necessarily for the old is really something. It is so contrary to our culture, to think that wisdom comes not from experience but from God's grace.
@cooldog60 My friend, I think you have lived so many years in THE WORLD, a place that will pass and that is made of illusions and distractions from the REALITY, which is the Bible, God, Jesus, the eternal life. The Bible says the reality, Piper preaches according to the Bible, Piper preaches reality. Syllogistic We just lack the faith to trust the reality of the Bible sometimes, but it brings you wonders when you do! .
You have twisted the scriptures to suit your sermon here. Proverbs 1:4 speaks of knowledge and intrigue (discretion) but you are speaking of wisdom when the verse does not.
Understanding may lead to wisdom if it so pleases the Almighty, but knowledge is the means to an end and not the end in itself.
If you must preach then open up the scriptures instead of writing essays....if you can!
@Do0dle0005 NIV is a perverted version of the Bible and calls Jesus Satan. Get a different version. No I'm not saying "KJV KJV" .. but the NASV, NLT and NKJ are definitely better ways to go...
Don't forget the lexicons to go with them, that's the best way to go.. Blueletterbible org is ftw
It's very telling that a creationist would restart a 6 month old debate and realising that he's talked himself into a corner, goes very, very quiet... It's total dishonesty.
I didn't give you thumbs down, I think your comments should be on display along with those giant human fossils that were found, even if I had given you thumbs down, that's allowed, that's what it's for, flagging a comment as spam when it isn't spam is likely to do your account more harm than mine. Why not come clean, you marked the comment as spam because you didn't want people to read it, because you talked yourself into a ridiculous corner and because you're deceitful.
Like you, I have no proof, but God witnessed it (apparently). Anyway, since it was a comment that completely shattered your theory, I just had a hunch that it was you, you're other complaint about being thumbed down in defense of false flagging, did make you look a bit guilty too, but hey, judge not and all that, I forgive you.
Now how about those bees that flew over open water without landing for '40 days and nights' without food?
this is true if your old you can be a fool,but me myself i leaned a lot when i was young by making big mistakes many of them and i learned from most not to go down that same road.
Well , science degree . Only Bsc but enough to instill some respect for the process. By claiming literal truth in Genesis John Piper dismisses most of Human learning in a very cavalier way , as it is clearly at odds with the observed facts.
Observed facts: Dogs produce dogs and cats produce cats and monkeys produce monkeys EVERY TIME. Regardless of the amount of time. That is what's always been observed. And that's what Genesis says.
People in England are taller than they were a thousand years ago . Why ? because changes in the outside environment , better diet etc have let to an incremental change ( In Scotland they are still small , malformed creatures like Gollum generally ) Continue this process for 300 million years ?
Creationists have monkey brains. Dont laugh at them too loud rational folk . It hurts their feelings.
Question . My body is full of prehensile features (appendix etc) that have no purpose anymore, but would have been useful if we evolved. Why would God make man with all the redundant features , unless he was just trying to FOOL us that the evidence for evolution is everywhere ?
Why would He do that ? HA HA lets see who believes in me now !
If i suddenly walked up to you in the street and gave you a hard shove , you would instantly bare your teeth and make a face . This is a threat response which is of some use to a monkey , but a creature incarnated whole to serve Gods purpose ?
Creationism is a cute story but it stands in the shadow of a brick wall of scientific evidence. Sorry guys ! dont mean to wee in your swimming pool but you are wrong.
C`mon Noah ! its time to corral the T Rexs. We might need some help. Good job they only use their massive razor sharp teeth for nibbling vegetables these days.
Bugger off guys. I am 800 years old . Can`t you get a couple of those 9 foot tall guys?
Sorry Noah , they are busy mucking out the Brontosaurs. They produce 3 metric tons of poo everyday and we have no electricity yet . God should have told us about it. really would have helped !
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Noah was smart enough to know that you don't have to take the biggest, oldest animals. He probably took babies because they are small and they will grow up to reproduce and they take up less room.
9 foot tall guys: A skeleton nine feet eight inches (2.95m) tall was recovered from a stone burial moundat Brewersville,Indiana in 1879.
And there is this other one that u can read about in "The Daily Town Talk" Dec. 9, 1902 (fully 9 feet)
Even so Noah , you did a good job considering you are an old Boy .
3 Million species of Animal , complete with specialised habitats that you couldn`t have known shit about and all the technology to maintain and support them . You even popped over to Australia and picked up the marsupials ! good job .
I wonder if anyone else has the ability to survive on a boat till the flood subsides ? There are many seafaring cultures after all ?
When the flood subsides , we will release the animals , who will travel to their unique parts of the planet . The penguins will all waddle to the Antarctic , the Kangaroos will bound to Aussie . The dinosaurs will all die and bury themselves in varying levels of rock strata . God will then eliminate any geological trace of the flood.
Only the dumb scientists will be deceived though . True men of God like Creation centretv will carry the truth of Gods literal word , untainted by evidence.
You're trying to reason with someone who believes the earth was created after the agricultural revolution, that dinosaurs were kept on Noah's ark along with millions of other species and all their various food supplies.
This is why 'creation science'/'intelligent design etc. are laughed out of court everytime they present it as an alternative to real science to be taught in schools.
Oh such delightful irony - John Piper stating that old does not always equaly wise.
So... what age is Piper? And what age did he embark on his path of religious delusional lunacy?
My teenage son, halfway through his Philosophy and RE A-level, can see straight through Piper's absurd rhetoric. Which means, I suppose, that this is the only one of Piper's silly videos in which he comes anywhere near reality and truth.
Piper's videos always make me snigger and this one is no exception.
God told Noah to take a pair of each KIND. Not species. And a lot of these variation as u said before are man monitored, not natural. Therefore Noah could have taken them. And Noah did not take any insects. Insects survive floods just fine.
SO , were there Polar bears AND grizzlies on the ark ? They are genetically different. If only one "kind" ( whatever that means) where did the diversity of modern bears come from ? Some kind of high speed evolution going on ?
If they were only babies . Did Noah teach them to hunt so they wouldnt DIE OF STARVATION when they were released from the ark .
He was a clever guy , obviously
Dont mean to be rude , but most people cringe with embarrassment when confronted by this stupidity
@ilikezappa I don't think there would be much grass for a while.
Maybe they would eat drowned corpses for long enough for a single breeding pair of their 'kind' of prey to breed enough times to become sustainable before the tigers get too old to breed... no that's not working for me either.
I'm not sure if the Bible gives a depth but I understand that the flood covered all mountain peaks, Everest is pretty big, that's quite alot more water than is on earth now, where did the water go?
@METR0D0ME YES ;Enough water to cover the Earth to a depth of 28000 feet in forty days ? Do the maths ! unless you believe that I have been " deceived" by my calculator that is 30 feet of rain PER HOUR . One inch is considered a deluge.
God must have made a giant plughole afterwards.
If you believe that , YOU are a giant plughole , in my humble opinion (and almost everyone else with a brain)
Actually, the Scripture is clear that the tallest hill was about 15 cubits tall, so most of the mountains were formed during the flood as the fountains of the great deep were opened and it rained 40 days and nights.
"And Noah did not take any insects. Insects survive floods just fine."
You don't know much about insects either...
Do you know how many insects live on the open sea? Think about it, how long would a bee survive, having to fly constantly, with no food supply. Unless you're suggesting that bees 'evolved' from a species that can live at sea.
The pale, speckled peppered moth turned black in many parts of Britain following the Industrial Revolution over the space of a few decades, enabling it to blend in against soot-covered trees and avoid predators. Now, reduced emissions mean the trees are cleaner, and the white moths now prevail, this is observed evolution; a small change that increases the chance of survival, it's a very simple concept that HAS been observed, who witnessed Genesis?
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The pepper moth is just a drift in population. No new information was added to the DNA. And still, macro- evolution is not observable. The pepper moth experiment does not prove a dog comes from a non- dog.
Who witnessed Genesis? If you mean creation, God did. And we today observe dogs producing dogs. And since that's what we observe, there must have been an original created kind, cuz we dont see dogs come from non- dogs.
Dogs, a perfect example of how evolution does work, do you believe that chihuahuas where always chihuahuas and that great danes were always great danes, or do you understand that they are the product of selective breeding?
Even the vast majority of religious people accept that Genesis is not the literal truth, it's ridiculous to think it is.
Chihuahuas and great danes etc. are all still dogs. Never when the dogs are bred, a new kind of animal is formed. I mean this is observable SCIENCE.
The "vast" majority of people are dead wrong. Genesis is literal. There has been a test of language on Genesis 1 I believe and more than 99% of it I believe is literal. That's 100% of it! It's wrong to say it's not literal. Why would Moses start with an unliteral story to make the literal ones make sense??
The strictest YEC doesn't try and claim the earth is less than 6000 years old, many Christians are happy to say it's a lot older than that, but anyway. A talking snake? If supernatural powers exist then surely such is possible?
You're effectively saying, lets assume the supernatural does not exist, and then we can call all who believe in the supernatural stupid as it doesn't exist. You're assuming and declaring your conclusion without any evidence.
Well , no convincing evidence has ever been produced for the supernatural , so proceeding on the basis that the laws of physics are sound would seem to be the sensible path ??
If you heard a talking snake entreating you to eat an enchanted apple , would you think , "Oh , ok , sounds reasonable , I will take a bite" ?
I doubt it . I would say " fuck! a talking snake ! I am losing it ! aaaaaaaah! "
@Rhuanjl Your religion is supernaturalism, it makes sense of everything by saying "magic man in sky done did it", your 'evidence' is a book written by many unknown authors, pieced together and re-edited many times over the years. My 'religion' is 'non-belief in magic', much as my 'hobby' is 'not collecting stamps'.
"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." Luke 16:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." Matthew 5:17
There are 100s of contradictions within Christianity. I know; the preacher says that there are no contradictions - just misunderstandings for those who are not properly initiated. What a crock! Every christian with 2 neurons to rub together has encountered a multitude of questions, & is afraid to make an embarrasing scene, risk eternal damnation, & endure the shame of asking honest questions. What, Tommy is doubting his faith? "Oh my; lets put him on the prayer chain quick; he could go to Hell!"
you are horrible at this. stick to the topic, everything you brought up is assumptive and subjective. i asked where do you get your statistics from, that MOST christians fall into 2 categories.
You seem to be frustrated with me. I am sorry; I am not trying to be evasive with you; I thought I answered you.
I get my 'statistics' from many years of observation and honest conversations with churchgoers; I have no empirical data on this. What groups would YOU put christians into? I take it that you disagree with my classifications. Do you think that all christians know for absolute fact that every word & every concept in the entire bible is the infallable Word of the Supreme Being?
I think that a high % of Christians R just like U - not wanting to push the boundaries - not ever making waves, or seriously entertaining the idea that things might not be as they appear. There is a certain comfort that some people have in going to a church where they can conform, & simply think other people's thoughts. As for me, I would rather struggle 4 a lifetime in search of the truth, than spend 1 moment in the comfort of a big lie. But that's just me. Not all people R driven to know.
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Yes. I suppose I Am entitled to my opinion. The problem lies with the people who believe in a God who is vindictive and warlike - like those who believe in the old testament. These people are dangerous, because they use religion as an excuse for war, because their own God is a God Of War.
If you don't follow the OT, you're not a Christian so you should be killed (2 Chronicles 15:12-13), if you've ever worked on a Sunday, you should die (Exodus 31:12-15), if you're gay, you should die (Leviticus 20:13). Is your teenage child cheeky? Kill them! (Leviticus 20:9). Kill non christians (2 Chronicles 15:12-13), hell, if one person in a town believes in the wrong God, kill the whole town (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)
Exactly. At their roots, all religions that are based on the OT are corrupt. The good parts of those religions are lipstick on a pig; it takes a brainwashed individual not to clearly see that. Corrupt world leaders have always combined false flag operations with religion to entice the citizens to fight, kill people, and die in war. The people never want war; but our misleaders do; and religion has pleanty excuses for war. How many people did Yhwh's warlords kill? Millions?
This is the "wisdom" video and you're quoting about OT people being christians?
Christianity wasn't in Jesus's time
Matthew 5:18-19... Jesus doesn't demand you follow it, he says in context that a person who Teaches it to be invalid(annuls) is the least of heaven. (which means they still made it to heaven)
so he's saying that following the Law doesn't get you to heaven!
If you're not following it; and not teaching it correctly; but you made it to heaven; what's going on there? JESUS
I'm not saying that people IN the OT are Christians, you've misread, I'm saying that JESUS is talking about the OT when he says do not ignore the scriptures, and when 'Christians' ignore the OT, they are ignoring the words of CHRIST.
"Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." 2nd Peter 20-21
serving the way that Jesus Christ directed is not a bunch of fluff and comfort. praying continually and going out there and telling people what Christ wants you to is harder than anything i have ever done. and i have survived cancer and been through new age/the world over and everything in between. its for Christ. realize you don't know everything, and then feel the tug to cry out.
"I would rather spend my life searching for the truth than rest a single day within the comfort of a lie." — John Victor Ramses
How about you? If it were not for the prospect of hell, the churchs would be empty. But would a loving and fair God punish you for honestly expressing your doubts? If he would, then, my friend, we are all damned. So you may as well search for the truth. Jordan Maxwell is a good starting point. Christianity has no monopoly on God.
Most christians fall into 2 categories: They were born into it; or they fell into it. Very few critically study it for many years beforehand. Wisdom comes by not believing, and not professing to believe, anything you do not know for sure. Most christians are so far up the ladder before they realize they have been deceived, that it is too late. God does not judge, is always Love, never gets angry, never tells people to go to war, or sacrifice their children, & never commits genocide (the Flood).
Once you stop trying to believe what others have told you, like people who call themselves 'christians' do every day, many things become apparent. . . Your soul becomes free. Once you tear down some of the walls, and look at things objectively, the contradictions of christianity become really clear. . . You find it solidly illogical that any god of unconditional love could ever become angry. I mean, seriously, we send people to classes for that. Anger is not an attribute of the Supreme Being.
why do you de-humanize an entire group of people that believe jesus was the son of god? as if to say we don't have a mind to think for ourselves. as if there are no scientist, doctors, political leaders, professors, scholars, mothers and fathers who belive in jesus. you lump us all in one category of mindless zombies who can't think for ourselves. I understand the logic behind not bieng closed minded and accepting what nature has shown us of god.
Brainwashing runs deep. People can't see the forrest for the trees. People accept christianity first, then go about investigating it later - or not. It's a social disease. Maybe one in a thousand actually understand the evolution of religion that brought about christianity. And noone who understands it on my level continues with the fallacy of the modern day lemming religions. Most people don't live that long. Most people find it dry and boring, so they just follow the crowd like good sheeple.
I am not saying that there is no God. I AM saying that christianity has much of it wrong. Guilt & fear hold the churchs together. This is not God's Way. It is asinine to defend the OT with it's murderous god of war who loves us. Would you let a murderer run free if he could convince you that he loved his victims; and it really was best for society that he killed them? You defend your 'god' for doing the exact same thing. Brainwashing runs deep. You 'believe' to avoid hell. You're brainwashed.
even the bible says that god reveals himself through nature. i believe you are the closed minded individual who can't accept other peoples beliefs and make up your own statisctics to satisfy your own logic. I believe that in order to truly love there has to be hate. you can't say you love children and not hate the act of abortion. you are right we need to open our minds but i don't believe your practicing what you preach since you have this idea that christians can't think for themselves.
My studies of the ancient sun and moon cults brought about my enlightenment on this matter. People like Jordan Maxwell have spent a lifetime exposing the truth about organized religion. How on Earth did you just happen to find the one true religion? How much actual time had you spent seriously investigating all the other religions? Ill bet you anything that you simply settled for the religion of your friends and or family without any true investigation. & we're talking about your SOUL here.
your argument is based on assumption, in order to make a valid point you would have to PROVE that christians are apatheticly inclined to follow ONE way of believing.
My ideas are based on observances of millions of people from a neutral position outside of the box. Your hostility is predictable for someone who is just now realizing that your entire house of cards may have no foundation at all. If you are able to comprehend that you just could be a child of a lesser god, then you have a choice: Continue in the comfort of what could be a lie, or step off the ladder and learn more than you ever could have imagined. Every Christian has many unanswered questions.
i love the way you just throw numbers out there as statistical facts. i was about as hostile as a bhudist monk, i understand you have a belief but unlike you i don't claim to know what's in your heart.
'Belief' = you don't know. I either know something or I don't. 'Belief', in the Christian sense is self-inflicted brainwashing. I know I am typing right now; belief is irrelevant. That goes for what I know about people, & matters of the soul. I say it the way it is; or I don't claim to know; and I don't take someone else's word for it, even if it was written hundreds of years ago, has gold trim, and millions of sheeple claim to 'believe' it. You DO have doubts, whether you admit it or not.
Awesomeness!!!
southernfriedpeaches 2 months ago
To hear Piper say that wisdom is not necessarily for the old is really something. It is so contrary to our culture, to think that wisdom comes not from experience but from God's grace.
darthnozo 1 year ago 2
John gives me the impression that he does not have a clue about the world of reality.
cooldog60 1 year ago
@cooldog60 My friend, I think you have lived so many years in THE WORLD, a place that will pass and that is made of illusions and distractions from the REALITY, which is the Bible, God, Jesus, the eternal life. The Bible says the reality, Piper preaches according to the Bible, Piper preaches reality. Syllogistic We just lack the faith to trust the reality of the Bible sometimes, but it brings you wonders when you do! .
Zuriox 3 months ago
You have twisted the scriptures to suit your sermon here. Proverbs 1:4 speaks of knowledge and intrigue (discretion) but you are speaking of wisdom when the verse does not.
Understanding may lead to wisdom if it so pleases the Almighty, but knowledge is the means to an end and not the end in itself.
If you must preach then open up the scriptures instead of writing essays....if you can!
aTruster 1 year ago
@aTruster
which translation are you reading? cuz NIV says 'knowledge and discretion"
Do0dle0005 1 year ago
@Do0dle0005 NIV is a perverted version of the Bible and calls Jesus Satan. Get a different version. No I'm not saying "KJV KJV" .. but the NASV, NLT and NKJ are definitely better ways to go...
Don't forget the lexicons to go with them, that's the best way to go.. Blueletterbible org is ftw
sailentshadow 10 months ago
It's very telling that a creationist would restart a 6 month old debate and realising that he's talked himself into a corner, goes very, very quiet... It's total dishonesty.
METR0D0ME 2 years ago
Atheists, u r a band of HYPOCRITES! U accuse me of spamming ur comment Metrodome, but u atheists go ahead and give my comments thumbs down...
creationcenterTV 2 years ago
@creationcenterTV
I didn't give you thumbs down, I think your comments should be on display along with those giant human fossils that were found, even if I had given you thumbs down, that's allowed, that's what it's for, flagging a comment as spam when it isn't spam is likely to do your account more harm than mine. Why not come clean, you marked the comment as spam because you didn't want people to read it, because you talked yourself into a ridiculous corner and because you're deceitful.
METR0D0ME 2 years ago 2
Which comment did i spam? Prove that I did it.
creationcenterTV 2 years ago
@creationcenterTV
Like you, I have no proof, but God witnessed it (apparently). Anyway, since it was a comment that completely shattered your theory, I just had a hunch that it was you, you're other complaint about being thumbed down in defense of false flagging, did make you look a bit guilty too, but hey, judge not and all that, I forgive you.
Now how about those bees that flew over open water without landing for '40 days and nights' without food?
METR0D0ME 2 years ago 2
@METR0D0ME or what about any of the other insects that DON"T HAVE NOSTRILS TO BREATHE and can SURVIVE ON THE SURFACE OF THE WATER.
You're pretty ignorant there.
sailentshadow 10 months ago
I wouldnt bare my teeth like an ape and you are foolish to believe this
pain799 2 years ago
God's word is sufficent for us because through it we can test and approve what is good. Praise God for Piper!
ber8571 2 years ago
@ber8571 "God's word is sufficent for us"
What proof do you have that it is the word of God?
METR0D0ME 2 years ago 4
A wise man is a happy man.
Ashitanoyuki 2 years ago
this is true if your old you can be a fool,but me myself i leaned a lot when i was young by making big mistakes many of them and i learned from most not to go down that same road.
ilililhy 2 years ago
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The wise man would look at the evidence before embracing a religion that cannot withstand it , surely?
This man believes that the Earth is about 4000 years old and snakes can talk.
DUMB is the word.
ilikezappa 2 years ago
I don't know you, but truly, how much evidence have you looked at?
Phonyender 2 years ago
Well , science degree . Only Bsc but enough to instill some respect for the process. By claiming literal truth in Genesis John Piper dismisses most of Human learning in a very cavalier way , as it is clearly at odds with the observed facts.
ilikezappa 2 years ago
Observed facts: Dogs produce dogs and cats produce cats and monkeys produce monkeys EVERY TIME. Regardless of the amount of time. That is what's always been observed. And that's what Genesis says.
creationcenterTV 2 years ago
People in England are taller than they were a thousand years ago . Why ? because changes in the outside environment , better diet etc have let to an incremental change ( In Scotland they are still small , malformed creatures like Gollum generally ) Continue this process for 300 million years ?
Creationists have monkey brains. Dont laugh at them too loud rational folk . It hurts their feelings.
ilikezappa 2 years ago
Question . My body is full of prehensile features (appendix etc) that have no purpose anymore, but would have been useful if we evolved. Why would God make man with all the redundant features , unless he was just trying to FOOL us that the evidence for evolution is everywhere ?
Why would He do that ? HA HA lets see who believes in me now !
A trickster God ?
ilikezappa 2 years ago
If i suddenly walked up to you in the street and gave you a hard shove , you would instantly bare your teeth and make a face . This is a threat response which is of some use to a monkey , but a creature incarnated whole to serve Gods purpose ?
Creationism is a cute story but it stands in the shadow of a brick wall of scientific evidence. Sorry guys ! dont mean to wee in your swimming pool but you are wrong.
ilikezappa 2 years ago
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Did you know that there have been fossils found of ancient man being 9+ feet tall?
creationcenterTV 2 years ago
Your claim that everyword in Genesis is the literal truth is rather brave .
Does that include the story of Noahs Ark ?
Were there dinosaurs on it ?
Dear me.......
ilikezappa 2 years ago 4
Oh it absolutely 100% includes the story of Noah's ark. There were dinosaurs on it.
creationcenterTV 2 years ago
C`mon Noah ! its time to corral the T Rexs. We might need some help. Good job they only use their massive razor sharp teeth for nibbling vegetables these days.
Bugger off guys. I am 800 years old . Can`t you get a couple of those 9 foot tall guys?
Sorry Noah , they are busy mucking out the Brontosaurs. They produce 3 metric tons of poo everyday and we have no electricity yet . God should have told us about it. really would have helped !
ilikezappa 2 years ago 2
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Noah was smart enough to know that you don't have to take the biggest, oldest animals. He probably took babies because they are small and they will grow up to reproduce and they take up less room.
9 foot tall guys: A skeleton nine feet eight inches (2.95m) tall was recovered from a stone burial moundat Brewersville,Indiana in 1879.
And there is this other one that u can read about in "The Daily Town Talk" Dec. 9, 1902 (fully 9 feet)
creationcenterTV 2 years ago
@creationcenterTV
Re: Giants
Where are the remains kept now?
METR0D0ME 2 years ago 4
@METR0D0ME probably in your car, as gasoline. They were vanquished by the flood, remember?
halskarl 1 year ago
@METR0D0ME Turkey
sailentshadow 10 months ago
Part 2
Even so Noah , you did a good job considering you are an old Boy .
3 Million species of Animal , complete with specialised habitats that you couldn`t have known shit about and all the technology to maintain and support them . You even popped over to Australia and picked up the marsupials ! good job .
I wonder if anyone else has the ability to survive on a boat till the flood subsides ? There are many seafaring cultures after all ?
ilikezappa 2 years ago 2
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When the flood subsides , we will release the animals , who will travel to their unique parts of the planet . The penguins will all waddle to the Antarctic , the Kangaroos will bound to Aussie . The dinosaurs will all die and bury themselves in varying levels of rock strata . God will then eliminate any geological trace of the flood.
Only the dumb scientists will be deceived though . True men of God like Creation centretv will carry the truth of Gods literal word , untainted by evidence.
ilikezappa 2 years ago 2
You're trying to reason with someone who believes the earth was created after the agricultural revolution, that dinosaurs were kept on Noah's ark along with millions of other species and all their various food supplies.
This is why 'creation science'/'intelligent design etc. are laughed out of court everytime they present it as an alternative to real science to be taught in schools.
METR0D0ME 2 years ago 4
@METR0D0ME
No they have scientists "Dr "Kent Hovind the reputable authority on Genetics for example
stop laughing , its rude
ilikezappa 2 years ago 2
Hovind is obviously an atheist double agent.
METR0D0ME 2 years ago 4
Damn , never thought of that Metro
You are sharp
ilikezappa 2 years ago 4
@ilikezappa
:)
watch?v=DPKZVqEr6V8
METR0D0ME 2 years ago 4
Oh such delightful irony - John Piper stating that old does not always equaly wise.
So... what age is Piper? And what age did he embark on his path of religious delusional lunacy?
My teenage son, halfway through his Philosophy and RE A-level, can see straight through Piper's absurd rhetoric. Which means, I suppose, that this is the only one of Piper's silly videos in which he comes anywhere near reality and truth.
Piper's videos always make me snigger and this one is no exception.
BoneySkylord 2 years ago 4
God told Noah to take a pair of each KIND. Not species. And a lot of these variation as u said before are man monitored, not natural. Therefore Noah could have taken them. And Noah did not take any insects. Insects survive floods just fine.
creationcenterTV 2 years ago
Just the little baby TRex`s.
Aaaw look how Cute he is !
And the ickle baby Brontosaurus , AAw he only weighs 5 tons !
Can you imagine feeding a million babies ! One keeps you busy enough, even if you are only 6 foot 3 !
"Man Monitored , not natural "
Don`t know what that means
ilikezappa 2 years ago
SO , were there Polar bears AND grizzlies on the ark ? They are genetically different. If only one "kind" ( whatever that means) where did the diversity of modern bears come from ? Some kind of high speed evolution going on ?
If they were only babies . Did Noah teach them to hunt so they wouldnt DIE OF STARVATION when they were released from the ark .
He was a clever guy , obviously
Dont mean to be rude , but most people cringe with embarrassment when confronted by this stupidity
ilikezappa 2 years ago
How about Tigers ? What would they hunt ? All the other animals were dead .
Tigers cant live on grass
Or didnt you fucking know that ( said through clenched teeth ) ?
ilikezappa 2 years ago
@ilikezappa I don't think there would be much grass for a while.
Maybe they would eat drowned corpses for long enough for a single breeding pair of their 'kind' of prey to breed enough times to become sustainable before the tigers get too old to breed... no that's not working for me either.
I'm not sure if the Bible gives a depth but I understand that the flood covered all mountain peaks, Everest is pretty big, that's quite alot more water than is on earth now, where did the water go?
METR0D0ME 2 years ago 4
@METR0D0ME YES ;Enough water to cover the Earth to a depth of 28000 feet in forty days ? Do the maths ! unless you believe that I have been " deceived" by my calculator that is 30 feet of rain PER HOUR . One inch is considered a deluge.
God must have made a giant plughole afterwards.
If you believe that , YOU are a giant plughole , in my humble opinion (and almost everyone else with a brain)
ilikezappa 2 years ago 2
Actually, the Scripture is clear that the tallest hill was about 15 cubits tall, so most of the mountains were formed during the flood as the fountains of the great deep were opened and it rained 40 days and nights.
creationcenterTV 2 years ago
They didn't eat meat.
creationcenterTV 2 years ago
Have you seen the size and shape of a T rex`s teeth ! Everything about a T Rex says carnivore !
Tigers grazing on fresh green grass ?
Creation centre TV , I think you are the missing link. Congratulations !
You sure belong in a church dude
ilikezappa 2 years ago 3
PS I never gave you a thumbs down
I think you are doing a great service for the movement that wants to abandon religion
ilikezappa 2 years ago
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@creationcenterTV
"And Noah did not take any insects. Insects survive floods just fine."
You don't know much about insects either...
Do you know how many insects live on the open sea? Think about it, how long would a bee survive, having to fly constantly, with no food supply. Unless you're suggesting that bees 'evolved' from a species that can live at sea.
I think you've got yourself in a bit of a pickle.
METR0D0ME 2 years ago 6
@METR0D0ME Flagged as spam? Further proof of creationist dishonesty.
b533419 2 years ago 3
The pale, speckled peppered moth turned black in many parts of Britain following the Industrial Revolution over the space of a few decades, enabling it to blend in against soot-covered trees and avoid predators. Now, reduced emissions mean the trees are cleaner, and the white moths now prevail, this is observed evolution; a small change that increases the chance of survival, it's a very simple concept that HAS been observed, who witnessed Genesis?
b533419 2 years ago 4
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The pepper moth is just a drift in population. No new information was added to the DNA. And still, macro- evolution is not observable. The pepper moth experiment does not prove a dog comes from a non- dog.
Who witnessed Genesis? If you mean creation, God did. And we today observe dogs producing dogs. And since that's what we observe, there must have been an original created kind, cuz we dont see dogs come from non- dogs.
creationcenterTV 2 years ago
Dogs ? Because you only live for 70 years. Evolution is a very slow process. Didnt you know that ? Dear me .
Ps How old are the fossils of 9 foot tall men ?
ilikezappa 2 years ago 3
Dogs, a perfect example of how evolution does work, do you believe that chihuahuas where always chihuahuas and that great danes were always great danes, or do you understand that they are the product of selective breeding?
Even the vast majority of religious people accept that Genesis is not the literal truth, it's ridiculous to think it is.
METR0D0ME 2 years ago
Chihuahuas and great danes etc. are all still dogs. Never when the dogs are bred, a new kind of animal is formed. I mean this is observable SCIENCE.
The "vast" majority of people are dead wrong. Genesis is literal. There has been a test of language on Genesis 1 I believe and more than 99% of it I believe is literal. That's 100% of it! It's wrong to say it's not literal. Why would Moses start with an unliteral story to make the literal ones make sense??
creationcenterTV 2 years ago
You dodged the question. I'll address the rest of your comment when you address mine.
METR0D0ME 2 years ago
There are bacteria which have evolved enzymes that can now digest Nylon .
This is new genetic information in the DNA which could not have existed before the invention of Nylon .
Evolution observed .
Now , I dont see a talking snake anywhere in the fossil record
ilikezappa 2 years ago
The strictest YEC doesn't try and claim the earth is less than 6000 years old, many Christians are happy to say it's a lot older than that, but anyway. A talking snake? If supernatural powers exist then surely such is possible?
You're effectively saying, lets assume the supernatural does not exist, and then we can call all who believe in the supernatural stupid as it doesn't exist. You're assuming and declaring your conclusion without any evidence.
Rhuanjl 2 years ago
Well , no convincing evidence has ever been produced for the supernatural , so proceeding on the basis that the laws of physics are sound would seem to be the sensible path ??
If you heard a talking snake entreating you to eat an enchanted apple , would you think , "Oh , ok , sounds reasonable , I will take a bite" ?
I doubt it . I would say " fuck! a talking snake ! I am losing it ! aaaaaaaah! "
ilikezappa 2 years ago
@Rhuanjl "You're assuming and declaring your conclusion without any evidence."
No, that's what religious people do, that's why it's called 'faith'.
METR0D0ME 2 years ago 4
Your religion is naturalism and it makes sense of nothing, don't claim that you're not religous.
Rhuanjl 2 years ago
@Rhuanjl Your religion is supernaturalism, it makes sense of everything by saying "magic man in sky done did it", your 'evidence' is a book written by many unknown authors, pieced together and re-edited many times over the years. My 'religion' is 'non-belief in magic', much as my 'hobby' is 'not collecting stamps'.
METR0D0ME 2 years ago 4
"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." Luke 16:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." Matthew 5:17
b533419 3 years ago
There are 100s of contradictions within Christianity. I know; the preacher says that there are no contradictions - just misunderstandings for those who are not properly initiated. What a crock! Every christian with 2 neurons to rub together has encountered a multitude of questions, & is afraid to make an embarrasing scene, risk eternal damnation, & endure the shame of asking honest questions. What, Tommy is doubting his faith? "Oh my; lets put him on the prayer chain quick; he could go to Hell!"
NotOfThisGalaxy 3 years ago
you are horrible at this. stick to the topic, everything you brought up is assumptive and subjective. i asked where do you get your statistics from, that MOST christians fall into 2 categories.
bumbacutthoat 3 years ago
You seem to be frustrated with me. I am sorry; I am not trying to be evasive with you; I thought I answered you.
I get my 'statistics' from many years of observation and honest conversations with churchgoers; I have no empirical data on this. What groups would YOU put christians into? I take it that you disagree with my classifications. Do you think that all christians know for absolute fact that every word & every concept in the entire bible is the infallable Word of the Supreme Being?
NotOfThisGalaxy 3 years ago
i try not to seperate people into groups, and i can't speak for all christians.
bumbacutthoat 3 years ago
I think that a high % of Christians R just like U - not wanting to push the boundaries - not ever making waves, or seriously entertaining the idea that things might not be as they appear. There is a certain comfort that some people have in going to a church where they can conform, & simply think other people's thoughts. As for me, I would rather struggle 4 a lifetime in search of the truth, than spend 1 moment in the comfort of a big lie. But that's just me. Not all people R driven to know.
NotOfThisGalaxy 3 years ago
you are entitled to your opinion.
bumbacutthoat 3 years ago
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Yes. I suppose I Am entitled to my opinion. The problem lies with the people who believe in a God who is vindictive and warlike - like those who believe in the old testament. These people are dangerous, because they use religion as an excuse for war, because their own God is a God Of War.
NotOfThisGalaxy 3 years ago
correct
bumbacutthoat 3 years ago
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Matthew 5:18-19;
Jesus himself demands that you follow the OT.
If you don't follow the OT, you're not a Christian so you should be killed (2 Chronicles 15:12-13), if you've ever worked on a Sunday, you should die (Exodus 31:12-15), if you're gay, you should die (Leviticus 20:13). Is your teenage child cheeky? Kill them! (Leviticus 20:9). Kill non christians (2 Chronicles 15:12-13), hell, if one person in a town believes in the wrong God, kill the whole town (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)
b533419 3 years ago
Exactly. At their roots, all religions that are based on the OT are corrupt. The good parts of those religions are lipstick on a pig; it takes a brainwashed individual not to clearly see that. Corrupt world leaders have always combined false flag operations with religion to entice the citizens to fight, kill people, and die in war. The people never want war; but our misleaders do; and religion has pleanty excuses for war. How many people did Yhwh's warlords kill? Millions?
NotOfThisGalaxy 3 years ago
This is the "wisdom" video and you're quoting about OT people being christians?
Christianity wasn't in Jesus's time
Matthew 5:18-19... Jesus doesn't demand you follow it, he says in context that a person who Teaches it to be invalid(annuls) is the least of heaven. (which means they still made it to heaven)
so he's saying that following the Law doesn't get you to heaven!
If you're not following it; and not teaching it correctly; but you made it to heaven; what's going on there? JESUS
Kashank 3 years ago
I'm not saying that people IN the OT are Christians, you've misread, I'm saying that JESUS is talking about the OT when he says do not ignore the scriptures, and when 'Christians' ignore the OT, they are ignoring the words of CHRIST.
"Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." 2nd Peter 20-21
b533419 3 years ago
stop quoting with hatred.
pain799 2 years ago
quoting hatred? no no, I'm not religious, I don't have to do that.
b533419 2 years ago 4
serving the way that Jesus Christ directed is not a bunch of fluff and comfort. praying continually and going out there and telling people what Christ wants you to is harder than anything i have ever done. and i have survived cancer and been through new age/the world over and everything in between. its for Christ. realize you don't know everything, and then feel the tug to cry out.
STARNPRODUCTIONS 3 years ago 2
there you go with the numbers again, where do you get this stuff lol
bumbacutthoat 3 years ago
"I would rather spend my life searching for the truth than rest a single day within the comfort of a lie." — John Victor Ramses
How about you? If it were not for the prospect of hell, the churchs would be empty. But would a loving and fair God punish you for honestly expressing your doubts? If he would, then, my friend, we are all damned. So you may as well search for the truth. Jordan Maxwell is a good starting point. Christianity has no monopoly on God.
NotOfThisGalaxy 3 years ago
Most christians fall into 2 categories: They were born into it; or they fell into it. Very few critically study it for many years beforehand. Wisdom comes by not believing, and not professing to believe, anything you do not know for sure. Most christians are so far up the ladder before they realize they have been deceived, that it is too late. God does not judge, is always Love, never gets angry, never tells people to go to war, or sacrifice their children, & never commits genocide (the Flood).
BhagwanSage 3 years ago
where do you get your statistics from? and by what source have you come to know the actual character of god?
bumbacutthoat 3 years ago
Once you stop trying to believe what others have told you, like people who call themselves 'christians' do every day, many things become apparent. . . Your soul becomes free. Once you tear down some of the walls, and look at things objectively, the contradictions of christianity become really clear. . . You find it solidly illogical that any god of unconditional love could ever become angry. I mean, seriously, we send people to classes for that. Anger is not an attribute of the Supreme Being.
NotOfThisGalaxy 3 years ago
why do you de-humanize an entire group of people that believe jesus was the son of god? as if to say we don't have a mind to think for ourselves. as if there are no scientist, doctors, political leaders, professors, scholars, mothers and fathers who belive in jesus. you lump us all in one category of mindless zombies who can't think for ourselves. I understand the logic behind not bieng closed minded and accepting what nature has shown us of god.
bumbacutthoat 3 years ago
Brainwashing runs deep. People can't see the forrest for the trees. People accept christianity first, then go about investigating it later - or not. It's a social disease. Maybe one in a thousand actually understand the evolution of religion that brought about christianity. And noone who understands it on my level continues with the fallacy of the modern day lemming religions. Most people don't live that long. Most people find it dry and boring, so they just follow the crowd like good sheeple.
NotOfThisGalaxy 3 years ago
I am not saying that there is no God. I AM saying that christianity has much of it wrong. Guilt & fear hold the churchs together. This is not God's Way. It is asinine to defend the OT with it's murderous god of war who loves us. Would you let a murderer run free if he could convince you that he loved his victims; and it really was best for society that he killed them? You defend your 'god' for doing the exact same thing. Brainwashing runs deep. You 'believe' to avoid hell. You're brainwashed.
NotOfThisGalaxy 3 years ago
even the bible says that god reveals himself through nature. i believe you are the closed minded individual who can't accept other peoples beliefs and make up your own statisctics to satisfy your own logic. I believe that in order to truly love there has to be hate. you can't say you love children and not hate the act of abortion. you are right we need to open our minds but i don't believe your practicing what you preach since you have this idea that christians can't think for themselves.
bumbacutthoat 3 years ago
My studies of the ancient sun and moon cults brought about my enlightenment on this matter. People like Jordan Maxwell have spent a lifetime exposing the truth about organized religion. How on Earth did you just happen to find the one true religion? How much actual time had you spent seriously investigating all the other religions? Ill bet you anything that you simply settled for the religion of your friends and or family without any true investigation. & we're talking about your SOUL here.
NotOfThisGalaxy 3 years ago
your argument is based on assumption, in order to make a valid point you would have to PROVE that christians are apatheticly inclined to follow ONE way of believing.
bumbacutthoat 3 years ago
My ideas are based on observances of millions of people from a neutral position outside of the box. Your hostility is predictable for someone who is just now realizing that your entire house of cards may have no foundation at all. If you are able to comprehend that you just could be a child of a lesser god, then you have a choice: Continue in the comfort of what could be a lie, or step off the ladder and learn more than you ever could have imagined. Every Christian has many unanswered questions.
NotOfThisGalaxy 3 years ago
i love the way you just throw numbers out there as statistical facts. i was about as hostile as a bhudist monk, i understand you have a belief but unlike you i don't claim to know what's in your heart.
bumbacutthoat 3 years ago
moreover, to claim that your way of understanding would benefit my way of understanding is totally subjective.
bumbacutthoat 3 years ago
'Belief' = you don't know. I either know something or I don't. 'Belief', in the Christian sense is self-inflicted brainwashing. I know I am typing right now; belief is irrelevant. That goes for what I know about people, & matters of the soul. I say it the way it is; or I don't claim to know; and I don't take someone else's word for it, even if it was written hundreds of years ago, has gold trim, and millions of sheeple claim to 'believe' it. You DO have doubts, whether you admit it or not.
NotOfThisGalaxy 3 years ago
Wow, I love Ecclesiastes . "Better was a poor and wise youth than an old and foolish King" Amen.
MeekServant 3 years ago
woo!
lazzzy 3 years ago