It can be a form of punishment for real-life backstage disagreements or feuds between the wrestler and the booker, the wrestler falling out of favor with the company, or the wrestler receiving an unpopular gimmick that causes him to lose credibility regardless of win-loss record. It is also a result of a company seeing a wrestler as having no potential or charisma. The term can also be applied to a wrestling company that jumps the shark, rapidly loses ratings, fans, and finally becomes bankrupt.
Burial (or Bury) refers to the worked lowering (relegation) of a popular wrestler's status in the eyes of the fans. It is the act of a promoter or booker causing a wrestler to lose popularity by forcing him to lose in squash matches, continuously, and/or participate in unentertaining or degrading storylines.
HHH was good back in the Attitude Era , but He became an VKM nutlicker just like alot of others , Now He is over real good , and He just buries guys left and right !!! He even said in an interwiew one time that His character is based on the backstage politics of WWE !!!
Here's a good storyline for WM28...How about Undertaker challenges HHH like He did with His buddy HBK - Career vs Streak ?!? I would love this politics playing , suck-up artist asslicker retire...Fat Chance !!! Just a idear !!!
@moggy1231 right now at this stage in both mens lives HHH would destroy Steiner. Steiner is a physical shell of what he used to be. If this had been in early 90s when Steiner had black hair and wasn't touching the roids he'd be able to fuck HHH up
@TheEbhagzzz wasn't touching the roids? Steiner's always been huge, if you think he only started taking steroids when he went blonde you're dead wrong. Also, Steiner's body may be a wreck but he's still a killing machine for sure.
I LOVE HHH he is the man. he's no perfect but he's still an icon. not only is he awesome at promoting wwe he always seems like a great guy in interviews but i love how despite him trying to be professional, he still puts steiner (who i like) in his place lol
I never seen WWE fans get into the show like ECW fans, and by the way Triple H you can wrestle injured because you can work around injuries with a script
Austin made his first appearance on the last RAW in 1995 when Dibiase presented him the Million Dollar Best on The Brother Love show. So he wasnt exactly part of the roster in 1995 as a whole. 1996 he came out to no reaction, watch the 1996 Royal Rumble or his entrance and match with Savio Vega at Wrestlemania 12. No Reaction at all. He started getting crowd reactions the day after King Of The Ring. Things started taking off for him when he was going after Bret Hart for a match at SS.
1) How can triple h be a draw when he has been in some of the worst drawing ppv's of all times?
2) Do you still stand by your claim shawn michaels was a draw
3) Do still you still stand by your claim that only guys that make money get the belt, when JOHN BRADSHAW LAYFIELD AND CHRIS JERICHO are example of champions who dont draw a dime.
4) Do you understand that the reason wrestling is the shit 2day is because the wrestlers DO NOT DRAW MONEY (hhh is an example), SO LESS MONEY IS MADE,
@NikonSanz actaually HHH was a pretty big draw in 98-02 during the attitude era, so there goes your silly little claim Austin debuted in the 1st episode of RAW in 96, WWF was losing views to WCW (nWo) so many tuned in their, so too say Shawn Michaels didnt draw is fucking stupid, please do some research on things you obviously posses no knowledge in
@NikonSanz lol hey noob you do realize the HBK vs Bulldog was across sea's and not promoted well in the states YET went down as a top#15 classic match in wrestlign history right??
HBK vs mankind was a solid draw and it wasn't because of micheals it was because mankind wasn't a believable title contender UNTIL the height of the Attitude era dumb ass
You can't blame shawn for not drawing with Sid and ahmed are you serious?? Ahmed had no knees and a bad kidney sid enis was plain stupid
@LordIceman Hey fag HBK was a piece of shit! He has a horrible rep from the 90s when he would bury wrestlers and had that bs kique crap that influenced vince. He also was the man when WWF was getting there ass kicked by WCW. He did choke and got caught taking steroids in 93. If it wasnt for Austin/Rock WWF would have died. FACTS
@NikonSanz hhh probably began drawing in 2001-02 but he really didnt draw a lot of money your right he always was the guy who worked with the big star (ex. Foley, Rock, Austin)
@NikonSanz WTF idiot Shawn Micheals hasn't had a bad match in almost his entire career!! Not a big money draw, during his time and his return not only has hung with the young bucks he's also pushed talent and out performed them. ECW Fans are blood thirsty idiots, if you REALLY think ECW was wrestling you don't know jack shit, ECW lost there wrestling ability once Rey,Jericho,Eddie,Saturn,Raven,Foley etc all jumped ship. HBK voted by his peers the best you can't shit on that
@NikonSanz how the fuck was he suppose to draw against characters no one was interested in??
Mankind was a top star, Vader in WWF was solid but they worked together solo once via PPV, Vader hated him because he wouldn't work stiff, no one could carry Sid Vicious on main events look at what happened in WCW, Shawn vs bulldog goes down as a fucking classic, do you not remember WWF One Night Stand?? Who the fuck you think that came about huh?? Bret Hart was a worse draw then shawn
@NikonSanz If you scrolled down and actually read comments you would see who mention ECW, furthermore Shawn during his era carried a company filled with sloppy men and mid carders not yet ready for the main stage due to there top names jumping ship, did you forget Macho man wasn't allowed to wrestle for nearly 2 years, perfect left, hall,nash, they were left with bret and bret couldn't draw shit under his reigns but should could and did heel or baby face get ya facts straight
@NikonSanz well, neither did most of the other Kliq members for that matter. When was the last time Kevin Nash drew a dime? Trutfully, HHH is the only Kliq member that ever really drew. Hall probably would have drew though if it wasn't for his demons
@AdoublesLdouble Are you fucking kidding me?? Jerry Lynn was blown up, bad hip,bad knee's they had some good matches not great and RVD...what legit wrestling did he do?? Oh front flip into a chair gtfo here
@steiner8burgerston Triple H was massively unpopular during the attitude era when Austin/Rock literally where the company. Thats why him and HBK hated the rock and tried to bury his career bc he was a star. Triple H had to remain a heel majority of the time bc he was so boring and the only reason he started to do better was bc he started dating steph. He was never even in top 4 as most popular wrestler in the attitude era while Austin/Rock ran the show
@kinglbkiv HBK left in early 98 when Rock was just few months into his gimmick, umm HHH was really popular in DX, he is considered 1 of the best heels in the business, certainly the best in the Attitude Era, HHH/Steph started dating years after HHH became a main eventer,...Go cry
@steiner8burgerston Its a fact that T H was never on in the top 4 as most popular wrestlers in the late 90 to early 2000s while rock was up there from 98 until he left and was even 1st in 99/00 the highest ratings of WWF ever!!! T H started dating steph in late 98 dumbass right after he left China. HBK couldnt wrestler but he was still there in fact theres a promo of HBK/Rock talkin shit to T H in late 98. Rock is so far out of T H league its pathetic
@kinglbkiv LOL,learn to spell, HHH/Chyna were still together in 98, HHH was never popular? is that why DX was soo over that they had to turn face? HHH was even in line for a main event push in 1996, he was scheduled to win the KOTR 1996...Go cry
@steiner8burgerston None of the dx members even did shit when the group fell apart and it was popular HBK was the face of the company and Triple H was in the kiqu who notorious for influencing vince. Facts dont lie, T H was never on the list while Rock/Austin where on it every year from 98 till they left. When Rock/Austin left ratings fell bad and kept falling each year. Triple H was a nobody during the great wrestling time period ever, he wasnt a king let alone king of kings haha
@kinglbkiv the ratings falling wasn't due to HHH. and HHH WAS one of the most popular that's why he became world champ LOL @ HHH being a nobody, i know u dont like the guy, but dont state stupid facts, and the kliq broke up 3 years before HHH became a main eventer...Try again
@steiner8burgerston I like him i really do i think hes a cool down to earth guy but there are rumors along with Bret Hart writing in his book that HBK/Triple H hated rock bc they knew he was gonna be a huge star and they tried to bury him thats why in 98 rock was a heel to the very popular austin and joined the corporation with vince. When it was apparent he was to popular vince decided to just let him be a face and make money off of him. T H would be nothing without HBK/steph. Ratings ...
@kinglbkiv So your saying Rock was heel and joined the Corporation in 98 because "HHH wanted to" LOL weak... even if HHH wasn't with steph he'd still be a main eventer due to his popularity in DX...try again
@steiner8burgerston I said HBK influence bc he was the man at the time even though under him WWF was gettin spanked by WCW. Why would you make your 2nd biggest star a heel, throw austin off a bridge, make rock have a funeral for austin, steal his skull head belt, supposedly run him over? Why else would you try to make rock the antagonist to your biggest star Austin? Triple H was a mid-carder even HBK said it and he finally won in 99 bc he was with steph. FACTS dont lie retard
@kinglbkiv LOL, it's called business make the 2 top stars feud with each other, are u an idiot? u actually think Rock was a heel cuz "HHH wanted to" LOL WEAK.. EVERYONE starts off in lower/midcard, it's CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT/PUSH..u marks loved HHH in DX and wanted to see more of him..and he became a ruthless Heel and then world, champ, all cuz u marks wanted him to, Like Cena.You all sucked on Cena's dick in 04 and wanted him in the main events and are now bitching about him.
@steiner8burgerston ...started to fall in 02 when Rock/Austin barley wrestled and T H was the company. When Cold was out for surgery for almost a year and Rock was the company it did even better and they even named a show after the great one SMACKDOWN get real. T H won his first title in Aug 99 when he was WITH steph but rock already had it 3 times when T H got it for the first time hahahah dumbass
@kinglbkiv LOL HHH winning the title in 99 had NOTHING to do with steph, like i said ratings didnt fall in 02 cuz of HHH, they cuz the attitude era ended. if it was HHH's fault, why did Smackdown lose even more ratings?HHH wasnt on there, come up with legit facts....Go cry
@steiner8burgerston So its a coincidence he went from a mid-card to champ out of the blue? Fuck no, he got with steph just to move up like a bitch. Im not saying ratings falling is T H fault at all, its bc the 2 biggest stars left! Austin/T H/Cena/Punk/ect tried to act but failed bc they dont have star power only the great one became more than some slave for vince. Go look up T H comments on his unique relationship with rock saying there professional rivals, please rock shitted on you.
@kinglbkiv HHH turned heel at WM15 when he joined the corporation, then he fueded with his former DX members then, Rock,until he feuded with Austin/Mankind, and if Steoh had anything to do with him winning, why didnt HHH win it at Summerslam?Cuz Austin didnt wanna lose it to him, so yea HHH didnt have much control over everyone "cuz of steph" like all u marks think.. and i have done research ont he whole Rock/HHH rivals and they've settled their difference years ago.....Go cry
@steiner8burgerston T H was never face except for DX which HBK made, he could never do it by himself. He hates rock bc rock got cheers even as a heel working with vince which was suicide at that time. Vince even said himself the rating dropped bc the rock left for movies but theyll reinvent themselves. He wasnt shit before her and in a matter of months hes champ, really? I said T H hated rock but HBK tired to bury him. T H has a rep for doing the same.
@kinglbkiv HBK and HHH both made DX,try again.. and as i said HHH was elevating to the top in 99..lol prove to me that HHH "wasn't shit before her" You really shouldn't talk about thing u dont know about
@steiner8burgerston I just explained it retard TH didnt do shit in 98, he was a midcard and was a sidekick to HBK and when he left TH stayed garbage till fall of 99 when he beat mankind for the title. My point is he had many title shots and lost all of them until he got with steph then he won and only then. I could see if he was already champ a year earlier in 98 like rock but he wasnt. He was a midcard at best till steph helped a little. He still wasnt popular when he did win, rock was so....
@kinglbkiv in 98 HHH led one the most popular groups in WWE history to new heights and beat rock for the IC belt in one of the most memorable matches, so again...and HHH was injured after that,but if HHH had wont the title then you'd still bitch about him with steph bullshit when u said they got together in 98...lol try again.. and yea he was popular..go watch the vids again... and Go cry while ur at it
@steiner8burgerston I meant to type 99 simple mistake. Most popular group? NWO was the biggest group by far and DX was nothing when they all went there separate ways. If TH wouldve won in 98 i wouldnt have an argument. Rock didnt even have the title as a face in 99 and he was still the face of the company. Your mad bc you cant deny facts if TH was so good why wasnt he ever top 4 the list even as world champ in 99 and beyond till mid 2000s? Top 4 not even 1 or 2 , 4? Thats sad
@kinglbkiv i said "one of the most popular groups" and they certainly were the most in WWE, we aint talking bout WCW,kid stay in topic and where do u come up with this "most popualar" shit from? those online IWC/PWI what ever the fuck their called nerds? the ones who bitch about everything in wrestling?LOL...Your arguements are weak son and were not talking about Rock,were talking about HHH ...Go cry
@steiner8burgerston You dont have any arguments idiot other than saying he was in a group that HBK started. He was a great heel, but everyone even wrestlers know he married steph to get ahead and FACT is your mad bc it worked. All of a sudden he was given opportunities and still was unpopular and votes are done by fans retard! God damn your stupid. Rock did more in his very short stint than almost every wrestler who spent double the time there.
@kinglbkiv umm try again watch HHH in 98 and see if he wasnt popular and every wrestlers says he married steph? like who? the midcards who will never be main eventers, or the roided-up druggie has-beens? the fans?LOL the same ones who LOVED John Cena(watch Cena in 2004, he had the biggest ovations on Smackdown!) and are the sames ones crying and bitching about him now,LOL your all hypocrites, still u got no arguements
@steiner8burgerston STFU about Cena ive always thought he was ok ppl just gettin tired of his good guy act. He was popular in DX but not after he betrayed them to join the corporation. Are you really tryna say hes on the same level as Austin/Rock???
@kinglbkiv why do u keep bringing up austin/rock for? they have nothing to do with him and HHH was just a bug part of the attitude era as them and of course he wasnt popular (face) when he joined the corporation, he was a heel, Go cry
@steiner8burgerston He was never a face. They turned DX to a face bc they where popular for going against vince but all of them where nothing after it except for H. Your thinking about this wrong, your judging it from now thinking about what H has done since then but in 1998-01 he wasnt popular at all and Vince said himself Rock was the biggest star after Austin. When Austin was out Rock helf WWF. When both left is tanked!!!! Go back and watch the segments they all had. H prob hates rock for..
@steiner8burgerston ...making fun of his big nose and always callin steph a whore for being with Test then H. Rock always referred to Smackdown as his show infront of H and it prob pissed him the fuck off bc it was his show. Rock/Austin sold by far the most merchandise back then your stupid if you think H was relevant. He has horrible mic skills and is boring to listen to
@kinglbkiv Rock making fun of HHH is all part of the show,dumbass he's supposed to be upset. and once agains this isnt about austin/rock, it's about HHH u still have no arguments...Go cry
@steiner8burgerston No arguments? Rock was so huge in 99 they changed the shows name after him SMACKDOWN, he also beat hogan in 02 and was labeled an ICON and he wrestled a lot less than every other huge name ever! T H was a good heel but proved when Austin/Rock left he wasnt shit even with steph pullin the strings, and failed as an actor with vince giving him a push hahah hes straight ass and hates he wasnt a big part of the attitude era in a positive way.
@kinglbkiv umm again im not talking about rock, kid...ratings went down cuz the atittude era ended,nothing else. You fail to give me good arguements...Go cry
@steiner8burgerston Your a stupid clueless idiot! The 2 greatest leave thats why the era ended and thats why ratings started to tank. T H has a horrible rep of screwing guys over and most say he conveniently married in the family he will never have that stigma bc hes known more for playing great politics than being a great wrestler
@kinglbkiv LOL so how is ratings starting to tank HHH's fault? and like i said the ones bitching about HHH using politics are the midcards at best, or the roided up drugged up has-beens, dont talk about things u dont know about,kid
@steiner8burgerston Bc if he was nearly as big as you wish he was they wouldnt have feel. Ratings boosted with Rocks return now and hes garbage compared to late 90s thats why so many wrestlers hate on him like Orton/Punk/Cena/T H/ect he did what none of them could even though vince pushed hard to make Austin/T H movie stars they just sucked ass. Thats why T H backed out of SS bc he was scared of gettin overshadowed by the great one and vince knew rock would sell by himself.
@kinglbkiv why do you type Triple like T H? it makes u seem like a complete retard, and if that's the case why did Smackdown! ratings fall even lower? i already told you this, only the atitude era fans left not the real wrestlings fans, the brand extension still had "attitude" but more wrestling. brand split gave newcomers like Cena, Orton, and midcards like Guerreros,edge,lance storm 15-20 wrestling matches as to opposed to the 3-4 mintues they would've gotten in the atittude era...
@kinglbkiv oh and Orton/punk/cena dont hate rock cuz 'they wish they were nearly as big as Rock" they hate him cuz he left wrestling,LOL again u fail...Go cry
@steiner8burgerston Everyone hates rock bc he left but yet they all TRIED to do movies, and i bet if they got more offers they wouldve done the same. Why not get paid 10x more, travel a lot less, not hurt your body, ect rock is the great one end of story
@steiner8burgerston Smackdowns ratings fell after Rock left. Rock was the youngest person to ever become champ in 98. Rock had a show named after him, was 1st in most popular award in 99 and 00 and came 2nd in 01 before he left to do movies while T H was never up there. He was replaceable thats why he dated steph to become a big star like rock and it still didnt happen hahaha what a joke.
@kinglbkiv LOL, i swear u kids get dumber and dumber, you never proved me that HHH/steph dating in late 99 which they didnt, HHH won the title cuz u fans wanted him too, and HHH didnt become a mian event "cuz of the rock"LOL stupid kid, go cry
@steiner8burgerston Steph started walkin with him everywhere in early 2000 so i know they wouldnt do that until they already felt comfortable datin. He was a midcard for 6 years and finally decided he wasnt ever going to be shit so he fucked steph. He was never top merch sales like Austin/Rock/even Cena. He was never within top 4 most popular at the time, he was a nobody and the company tanked while he was the guy so he deserves no credit.
@steiner8burgerston ...popular he literally made mankind famous with the stupid rock/sock connection bc before then he was never on the top most popular list but he came in 4th in 99 while rock was 1st, and after that he was never on the list again hahaha now that is popularity. Rock was so huge they name a fuckin show after him, and a series of video games after him. FACTS!!!!
@steiner8burgerston Not to mention T H spent 5 years on the bottom be4 HBK lifted his career, even Austin spent 7 years being a nobody be4 finally getting big, it took rock 1 year and he was already one of the most popular. Hes also the only wrestler out of many vince tried to push to make it in wrestling. FACTS
@NikonSanz That's why I can't stand people who bitch and moan about John Cena. I'm not a Cena fan, but HE DRAWS MONEY, pure and simple. Eddie Guerrero also never drew when he was a champion either for that matter. I love Eddie, may he rest in peace, but let's face it,. when he was the champion house show attendance and SmackDown ratings were down. In fact, Lesnar was probably the last champion on SD that actually did draw well (well, maybe Mysterio did to a certain point).
@AdoublesLdouble Fair Point on cena, i mean, I dont like him, but apparently him and rock are the last guys in the WWE who actually draw a dime, probably the reason why they will be main eventing at WM.
Since rock and austin left,few if any individual wrestlers draw, these days the promotion itself (WWE draws)
You dig yourself into a hole everytime you make a post.I asked you who were the wwf's big draws in 1997-and you replied with 'err..austin..and i believe the rock was one' lolz
My work here is done.
Another moron PWND.
*btw....I didnt send you the lists of tv'ppv buy rates (from Observer Newsletter period 1995-2002) Make your youtube channel visible and i'll PM you the details.
@NikonSanz How old are you?? Iv wasted nearly an hour explaining why low ppv buy rate is a result of low tv ratings.You keep comparing 'Maivia and Austin's drawing power to Shawns Drawing power in 1996.Austin was IN THE WWF IN 1995.Maivia was IN THE WWF IN 1996.Wrestling was dead in 1996-because the business was cold.Iv said to you 3 times..I'll SEND you the details of tv draws/and ppv revenue draws from an 8 year period starting jan1995-jan 2003. MAKE YA CHANNEL VISIBLE you trolling tart.
@NikonSanz You are not worth arguing with.Every post you have made is a repetition.You still havnt quite grasped the fact that BIG tv ratings and hot angles=buy rates and drawing title holders. Interesting you mentioned Hogan being a DRAW in 1996.lol.Back in 1996,Hogan wasnt drawing shit.WCW's top draws via ppv buy rates in 1996 up until the NWO angle were Rick Flair and Randy Savage. Austin wasnt a big DRAW in 1996? No SHIT SHERLOCK. !! Re-read my posts you fucking troll.
@MOTHIKAS Answer the Question about Shawn Michaels.
And then explain how HHH setting records for some of the worst buyrates of all times means he is a draw in the WWE.
And then after that, we will talk about your theory that only guys who make money get the belt.............when Mark Henry and Chris Jericho had the belt.
Even Bradshaw had the belt and hes possibly THE worst drawing champion ever.
@m8x425 According to Steiner,those matches with Helmsley were booked to go longer than they should have.Which if it is true,are an open admission by Steiner that he was in no fit state to work main event matches.Steiner was basically 'fed' to Helmsley because they thought it was a marquee match (which it certainly wasnt)
The burial of the piece of shit Steiner happened because of Vince MacMahon.Far more talented workers from WCW met the same fate.
HHH couldnt draw flies to shit on a hot summers day, 2003 is an example, he headlines some of the lowest drawing Royal Rumble and Survivior series PPVs of all time.
He's a fucking pussy, he wont dare bad mouth steiner cos steiner will fucking knock him senseless, this aint some scripted wrestling bullshit, steiner is a REAL pro wrestler and all american, not some fat nosed gimp who had to fuck the bosses daughter to get a push.
@NikonSanz lol. When the fuck did Steiner draw? And when was he ever in a decent match that didnt involve a tag team? And whilst im here, WHAT is a REAL pro wrestler??
Scott Steiner fanboys are like the bimbo's that used to follow that gassed out piece of shit to the ring on Nitro when he was its champion (which was when that tv show was drawing its lowest ratings ever)
@MOTHIKAS When the fuck did you hear me say the words scott steiner drew?
Oh thats right, you didnt.
Thing is scott steiner wasnt rammed down the viewers throats year after year cos he was banging the bosses daughter who was in her daddy's ear and now creative. And steiner didnt get title run after title when when it was proven he wasnt a big draw.
The Kliq are a bunch of backstabbing cunts in general NONE of them drew big money in WWE period, they get over by politicking.
@NikonSanz Helmsley was main eventing,and being groomed for big things before he was shacked up with Stephanie.With regards to 'The Kilq',only 2 members of that group Shawn and Diesel ever held the world title.Diesel was a complete failure.His matches sucked and he didnt draw.But Shawn most certainly DID draw and was mcmahons choice for champion until Austin blew up in late 96/early 97.
The only reason Steiner was given the title in wcw was because poor booking had pissed off most of the roster
1.Shawn Michaels is one of the worst drawing champions OF ALL TIME, fact, he is not and NEVER WAS a draw, his run in 95/96, didnt draw a fucking dime and WWE was in the toilet financially.
2. King of this ring means nothing, bully gunn won the king of the ring, HHH was never up for a title shot until he started banging steph behind chyna's back, and guess what HHH could draw files to shit, 2003 with him on top = WWE worst year financially since 96.
@NikonSanz Shawn didnt 'have a run' (as you are fond of saying) in 1995 either.Seeing as you are keen on 'facts', i thought it was only fair to point that one out before i tear you to shreds with some REAL facts.I'll wait for your FACTS that Michaels was 'one of the worst drawing wwf champions of all time'- Then i'll come back at you.This argument wouldnt be so fuckin ridiculous if it wasnt happening with somebody defending a lifetime midcarder like Steiner.
3.Steiner is spot on in everything he said, HHH would be a goner if he wasnt in the mcmahon family, the guy was a jobber who only even got to midcard becaus he was carrying shawn michaels bags in the kliq. HHH is a classic case of how politics gets you to the top over drawing power. He's got more pushes than austin and rock, and he isnt even close to them in terms of drawing......that happened because his wife booked him on top, simple as that.
@NikonSanz You are a complete and utter joke.2003 WAS the wwf's worst year since 1996 because because the business had flatlined generally-it was nothing to do with 'who was on top'.Hence the reason Mcmahon started hotshotting and bringing in guys like Goldberg. Helmsley was a multiple time world champion before pro wrestling hit a brick wall.And,as for Shawn being 'one of the worst drawing champions of all time'.LOL!
@MOTHIKAS Let try again. With the FACTS. A draw is someone who draws in the crowds, which makes money as in, people turn up, to watch this person perform.
Shawn Michaels is one THE WORST DRAWS IN WWE History, he did NOT draw money. Simple-as - that, if you dont draw money, you are not a draw. LMAO. Go online and look at the state of WWF during 96, HORRIBLE. Michaels never drew a fucking dime. Great wrestler, imo the best in ring ive seen....NOT A DRAW.
@MOTHIKAS Triple H is NOT a draw. Jim Cornette summed it up
''HHH is the guy that WORKS with the guy that draws the money''
WWE had to put him in with REAL DRAWS like Austin and Rock and Foley got him over, but he is not a draw, in 2003 he couldnt even draw with Goldberg, and Goldberg was a draw in WCW.
In 2003 he dont some of the worst buyrates of all time, 3rd and 4th worst Survior series and royal rumble EVER, for example.
@NikonSanz STOP rambling on about 2003 you complete and utter tool.By 2003 the wwf had lost over 30% of its audience due to crap booking.It doesnt matter who is main eventing when business is on a downward spiral.Wrestling in general was in a dire state in 1996-it was nothing to do with the guys on top.Goldberg WASNT a draw in wcw for the last 18 months he was there,because just like everybody else who worked there he had been buried.Ok. Glad i cleared that up for ya.
Now if, HHH was a draw, he wouldnt have been posting some of the worst PPV buyrates of all time, which especially bad seeing as he was even in programs with big draws like Bill goldberg. thats just one example of his drawing power.
Royal Rumble 2005, at the time apparently was the 3rd worst drawing royal rumble of all time.
@NikonSanz It seems to have escaped your attention that wwf/e business has been in the toilet since 2003.Comparing any wrestlers drawing power,be it ratings or ppv buy rates to the business' hot period back in 98 shows what a retard you are.Helmsley was main eventing when the wwf was getting 6's in the weekly tv ratings,and ppv revenue was thru the roof.
Its becomming very obvious that you dont actually seem to know what 'drawing' means.Wrestlers who dont make money dont get the belt.Understand?
@NikonSanz PPV buy rates are high when the tv show has ratings. WWE hasnt had RATINGS since the decline started back in 2002.DONT compare wwe ppv buy rates to boxing or ufc,because you will be digging yourself into a bigger hole than you are already in.If you havnt quite figured out yet why ppv buy rates are lower now,than back in 1998/99 ect- Then, you should re-read all of my posts on here.The fact that you dont seem to understand the similarity between 1996 WWF and 2003 WWE says it all really
@NikonSanz Christ Almighty. Did you go to special school or something? What a tard. Listen,YOU TWAT. i HAVE EXPLAINED why BUY RATES in 1996 and 2003 were low (Everything POST 2003 falls under the same bracket) If you STILL havnt quite grasped how a tv shows ratings affect ppv buy rate.Then you never will.Honestly,iv argued with some dumb fuckers over the years on youtube,but you are taking the biscuit. RE-READ posts.
@MOTHIKAS You havent explained shit, after telling us all that Shawn Michaels was a big draw you said poor booking was responsible for a 30% loss of buisness.
My answers to that are..........
1.Your a fucking idiot.
2.Your a fucking idiot, the reasons wwe were in the toilet in 2003 was because people did not want to but the PPV's, which means they were NOT drawing, which means guys like triple H who headlined them and bombed ARE NOT DRAWS.
@NikonSanz sigh..... YOU are comparing main event PPV BUY RATES FROM 1998/99 TO PPV BUY RATES of 2003-2011. !!!!! DO THE FUCKING MATH YOU THICK FUCK. 1998/99 was a hot period for tv ratings. 2003-present day,has been nearly half of those numbers. WRESTLING IS A TV SHOW!! AND ITS TV SHOW RATINGS AFFECT PPV BUY RATES!!!!! DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?????? HOLY SHIT
@NikonSanz THE PPV BUY RATE SUCKS BECAUSE THE BUSINESS IS FLAT. AND IT HAS BEEN FLAT SINCE LATE 2002........SURELY...SURELY..EVEN SOMEONE AS FUCKING STUPID AS YOU CAN SEE THAT??? I would PM you the exact details of wwf draws,both tv rating,and buy rates from 1995 through to the cool off point-but you are a fag with an invisible youtube channel.
@MOTHIKAS THE BUISNESS IS FLAT BECAUSE NO SINGLE WRESTLER IS A BIG DRAW ANYMORE IN 1998 YOU HAD TWO OF THE BIGGEST DRAWS EVER IN HISTORY WHEN THEY WENT OFF THE BOIL RATING WENT DOWN BECAUSE PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO PAY TO WATCH THE LIKES OF HHH
@NikonSanz The 30% drop in viewership i referred to was from the start of the WCW Invasion Booking disaster to the six months afterwards.Once AGAIN,you didnt read my post correctly.YOU are unbelivable.
@NikonSanz The fact that you feel the need to type 'LMAO' at the end of every post you have made during this discussion-Coupled with the fact you have an invisible youtube account proves you are a troll.I knew that when i started to pluck you to pieces yesterday.
I have offered to send you lists of TV Draws/PPV Draws from 1995 through to the cool off in 2003.The part thats funny with you,is that you cant see the similarity of 96 wwf and 2003 wwe. Some CUNTS never learn
@MOTHIKAS What the fuck are you talking about????/ THE WRESTLING BUISNESS IS FLAT, BECAUSE ITS NOT DRAWING ENOUGH MONEY. BECAUSE THE GUYS AT THE TOP ARE NOT DRAWS (with cena being a possible exception) Why cant you get that in your fucking head? And as for your lists of PPV buyrates from 95 onwards. If you actually read them.... WHY WOULD SAY SHAWN MICHEALS DREW MONEY WHEN HE WAS ONE OF THE WORST DRAWS EVER. You are a fucking IDIOT.
@MOTHIKAS Oh Jeeez your a fucking moron In 96 WWF was in the toilet BECAUSE THE TOP GUYS DIDNT DRAW. What happened in 97/98? They completely turned it around why? THEY HAD TWO GUYS WHO WERE MASSIVE DRAWS Simple as that. And main eventing with the rock or austin does NOT make you a draw. Thats why we say HHH WORKED WITH DRAWS, HE IS NOT THE DRAW. If he was a big draw, he wouldnt be setting records for lowest buyrates. Why do you find it so difficult to grasp this.
@MOTHIKAS I said 97/98. Stone Cold was one, I believe rock was another, maybe im a year out at the most. The point is, WWF was getting destroyed in 96 because IT DID NOT DRAW. Simple.
If you are a draw, you make people pay to watch you, Apparently the WWE expect TLC to be the worst drawing PPV of the entire year, and HHH is the co main event vs Kevin Nash I believe.
So how in the FUCK can HHH be draw, when he's been on some of the lowest drawing ppv's since back in 2003.
For the 3rd fucking time, you are a fucking IDIOT.
You think shawn michaels draws money when he was setting all time time records for lowest number of PPV buys.4
@MOTHIKAS One more thing for you, If HHH is such a big draw, and so many people pay to see him wrestle, can someone explain why WWE Vengance 2011 is apparently the 2nd worst drawing PPV of all times?
Surely if HHH was a draw that PPV would have done better.
@MOTHIKAS Go and look up what a draw actually is and then when you work it out, comeback and talk to me. Austin and Rock were settings records in terms of drawing power and they got less pushes and title runs than HHH and they are the 1st and 3rd biggest draws of all time apparently.
So that right there tells you HHH is at the top for a reason, aint it aint money.
Just a guess, but might have something to do with the fact his wife books the fucking show.
@MOTHIKAS Go and look up what a draw actually is and then when you work it out, comeback and talk to me. Austin and Rock were settings records in terms of drawing power and they got less pushes and title runs than HHH and they are the 1st and 3rd biggest draws of all time apparently.
So that right there tells you HHH is at the top for a reason, aint it aint money.
Just a guess, but might have something to do with the fact his wife books the fucking show.
@MOTHIKAS I'll tell you one other thing about steiner, he actually wrestle. REAL wrestling, not the fake shit that HHH does, HHH is a joke, he cant even draw big in a company built around him with his wife doing the booking and his father in law running the company.
This is why he was a jobber in WCW and a Jobber/Nobody in the WWF until he latched onto the Kliq.
You know how he got into the Kliq right?
He was a bag carrier for shawn michaels hahahahhaha. Seriously.
HHH seemed like he was undecided on how he wanted to respond to Steiner's comments. On one hand, he was trying to be cool about it and not give any significant meaning. However, instead of being totally mature and gracefull, he added all these little snide insults like calling lumping TNA as an "indie" organization and saying people who never got to where they wanted to be which is crazy considering TNA are a little more than just some "indie" promotion and Steiner use to be the WCW Champion
@RedCancer I don't want to be rude or anything. You kind of have to agree with Paul here. (Yes I mean Hunter) Steiner never actually did get to where he wanted. Ok he won the WCW title granted. But never the World Title in WWE or in TNA. And that's legit.
Taking it into consideration I watch TNA. They only care about the ratings. That doesn't make up for the copied WWE Storylines and Gimmicks.
HHH seemed like he was undecided how he wanted to respond Steiner's comments. On one hand, he was trying to be cool about it and not give any significant meaning. However, instead of being totally mature and gracefull, he added all these little snide insults like calling lumping TNA as an "indie" organization and saying people who never got to where they wanted to be which is crazy considering TNA are a little more than just some "indie" promotion and Steiner use to be the WCW Champion
@hanmerboys Cena and Hogan are multiple time title holders and neither they nor triple H are worthy to lace the boots of a Rick Flair, or Lou Thez. Stop drinking the cool aid, the man has never had any ring skills, and never will. Heck, he didn't even deserve to be in the ring with Mankind, much less the Undertaker.
@hanmerboys When I think HHH top moments, none involve wrestling, they involve the skits, like when he attacked Orton at home with his sledge hammer, or his days in DgX, with the fancy patter, and the suck it's. Does he entertain? Clearly he entertains some, but when I think of the great wrestlers, at least some of the top moments are in the ring, like the feud between Flair and Steamboat, or when the Steiner threw his first Frankensteiner. I hopped out of my chair. HHH is a big muscular nothing
@hanmerboys Angle WAS on top of the wrestling world he was maineventing WWF in 2001-2003 and had major feuds with Lesnar in '03, Guerrero in '04, HBK in '05 and Cena in '06 all of which either the main storyline or one that received a lot of TV time. How you can imply Angle had no personality is beyond me he is more charismatic than anyone in WWE right now.
@StephenAlexWalker i mean like bigger than Hogan or Stone Cold i don't mean like his never been in the spot light i mean like sorta being the wrestling god
@hanmerboys If you would pay attention, I said Steiner was good before the roids. That was nineties. He's been a joke ever since.
HHH has always been a joke, and he still gets attention because he is sleeping with Vince's daughter. In the attitude error, Stone Cold was the star, and he never had any wrestling skills either. The point of the attitude era was that success was about attitude, and not ability.
LOL HHH taking a subtle shot at hip hop because he's a rocker.
toadman842 6 hours ago
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT U THINK HHH AND SCOTT..... ;) HAHAHA
rkomeghadoot 1 week ago
Any Questions from the peanut gallery ??
hydraIX 3 weeks ago
Some notable pro wrestling personnel that are notoriously synonymous with burying include Triple H, Kevin Nash and Hulk Hogan.
hydraIX 3 weeks ago
It can be a form of punishment for real-life backstage disagreements or feuds between the wrestler and the booker, the wrestler falling out of favor with the company, or the wrestler receiving an unpopular gimmick that causes him to lose credibility regardless of win-loss record. It is also a result of a company seeing a wrestler as having no potential or charisma. The term can also be applied to a wrestling company that jumps the shark, rapidly loses ratings, fans, and finally becomes bankrupt.
hydraIX 3 weeks ago
Burial (or Bury) refers to the worked lowering (relegation) of a popular wrestler's status in the eyes of the fans. It is the act of a promoter or booker causing a wrestler to lose popularity by forcing him to lose in squash matches, continuously, and/or participate in unentertaining or degrading storylines.
hydraIX 3 weeks ago
HHH was good back in the Attitude Era , but He became an VKM nutlicker just like alot of others , Now He is over real good , and He just buries guys left and right !!! He even said in an interwiew one time that His character is based on the backstage politics of WWE !!!
hydraIX 3 weeks ago 2
Here's a good storyline for WM28...How about Undertaker challenges HHH like He did with His buddy HBK - Career vs Streak ?!? I would love this politics playing , suck-up artist asslicker retire...Fat Chance !!! Just a idear !!!
hydraIX 3 weeks ago
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smackdowner 1 month ago
scott steiner would kill triplehhh in a shoot fight.
moggy1231 1 month ago
@moggy1231 wtf is wrong with you scott steiner muscles are just for show
in a match triple h would f*** up scott steiner
suck that
SZHSK 1 month ago
@moggy1231 right now at this stage in both mens lives HHH would destroy Steiner. Steiner is a physical shell of what he used to be. If this had been in early 90s when Steiner had black hair and wasn't touching the roids he'd be able to fuck HHH up
TheEbhagzzz 1 month ago
@TheEbhagzzz wasn't touching the roids? Steiner's always been huge, if you think he only started taking steroids when he went blonde you're dead wrong. Also, Steiner's body may be a wreck but he's still a killing machine for sure.
Sener 1 month ago
I LOVE HHH he is the man. he's no perfect but he's still an icon. not only is he awesome at promoting wwe he always seems like a great guy in interviews but i love how despite him trying to be professional, he still puts steiner (who i like) in his place lol
thejordansunny 1 month ago
I never seen WWE fans get into the show like ECW fans, and by the way Triple H you can wrestle injured because you can work around injuries with a script
markd1973able 1 month ago
Big Poppa Pump is way better then this gay jerk
xhemexx 2 months ago
video was gay because triple h is too PG! LOL
ehbischat69 2 months ago
where does hip hop actual live, haha triple h is real
ricotutaan 2 months ago
they aint rabid anymore
TheFunkyDomination 2 months ago
Austin made his first appearance on the last RAW in 1995 when Dibiase presented him the Million Dollar Best on The Brother Love show. So he wasnt exactly part of the roster in 1995 as a whole. 1996 he came out to no reaction, watch the 1996 Royal Rumble or his entrance and match with Savio Vega at Wrestlemania 12. No Reaction at all. He started getting crowd reactions the day after King Of The Ring. Things started taking off for him when he was going after Bret Hart for a match at SS.
MrMunsterify 2 months ago
1) How can triple h be a draw when he has been in some of the worst drawing ppv's of all times?
2) Do you still stand by your claim shawn michaels was a draw
3) Do still you still stand by your claim that only guys that make money get the belt, when JOHN BRADSHAW LAYFIELD AND CHRIS JERICHO are example of champions who dont draw a dime.
4) Do you understand that the reason wrestling is the shit 2day is because the wrestlers DO NOT DRAW MONEY (hhh is an example), SO LESS MONEY IS MADE,
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@NikonSanz actaually HHH was a pretty big draw in 98-02 during the attitude era, so there goes your silly little claim Austin debuted in the 1st episode of RAW in 96, WWF was losing views to WCW (nWo) so many tuned in their, so too say Shawn Michaels didnt draw is fucking stupid, please do some research on things you obviously posses no knowledge in
steiner8burgerston 2 months ago
@steiner8burgerston You are a fucking clown.
Go and look at the worst drawing ppv's of time, before 2004, Shawn Michaels headlined most them during 96. examples.
5/96 - WWF Beware of Dog - HBK vs. Bulldog, Undertaker vs. Goldust - .45
9/96 - WWF Mind Games - HBK vs. Mankind, Undertaker vs. Goldust - .48
7/96 - WWF International Incident - HBK/Sid/Ahmed vs. Vader/Owen/Bulldog - .37
9/97 - WWF Ground Zero - HBK vs. Undertaker, Bret Hart vs. Patriot - .4
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@NikonSanz lol hey noob you do realize the HBK vs Bulldog was across sea's and not promoted well in the states YET went down as a top#15 classic match in wrestlign history right??
HBK vs mankind was a solid draw and it wasn't because of micheals it was because mankind wasn't a believable title contender UNTIL the height of the Attitude era dumb ass
You can't blame shawn for not drawing with Sid and ahmed are you serious?? Ahmed had no knees and a bad kidney sid enis was plain stupid
LordIceman 1 month ago
@LordIceman Hey fag HBK was a piece of shit! He has a horrible rep from the 90s when he would bury wrestlers and had that bs kique crap that influenced vince. He also was the man when WWF was getting there ass kicked by WCW. He did choke and got caught taking steroids in 93. If it wasnt for Austin/Rock WWF would have died. FACTS
kinglbkiv 1 month ago
@steiner8burgerston there you go,4 of the worst ppv's of all times, headed by michaels, he NEVER drew a fucking dime period you mong.
And guess who drew the worst year in WWF history since 1996-
HHH
Youdont even know what a draw is, your obvioudly some 10 year old kid who thinks hes in Cenation LOL.
Triple did NOT draw in 98 you fucking idiot, Austin and Rock DREW, HHH wrestled WITH them, he wasnt the one drawing.
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@NikonSanz hhh probably began drawing in 2001-02 but he really didnt draw a lot of money your right he always was the guy who worked with the big star (ex. Foley, Rock, Austin)
TheEbhagzzz 1 month ago
@steiner8burgerston you dont understand the cncept of drawing money
TheEbhagzzz 1 month ago
@TheEbhagzzz He doesnt have a clue, he thinks Shawn Michaels is a big money draw LMAO
NikonSanz 1 month ago
@NikonSanz WTF idiot Shawn Micheals hasn't had a bad match in almost his entire career!! Not a big money draw, during his time and his return not only has hung with the young bucks he's also pushed talent and out performed them. ECW Fans are blood thirsty idiots, if you REALLY think ECW was wrestling you don't know jack shit, ECW lost there wrestling ability once Rey,Jericho,Eddie,Saturn,Raven,Foley etc all jumped ship. HBK voted by his peers the best you can't shit on that
LordIceman 1 month ago
@LordIceman Who the FUCK is talking about ECW you retard?
FACTS
Shawn Michaels is one of the Worst drawing champions of All times.
Up until 2004, he headlined just about 50% of the worst drawing ppv's in the history of the WWF. WWF nearly collapsed when he was champion.
All shawn fault? no
But the facts are, he is NOT A DRAW......INFACT HE SUCKS AS A DRAW
NikonSanz 1 month ago
@NikonSanz how the fuck was he suppose to draw against characters no one was interested in??
Mankind was a top star, Vader in WWF was solid but they worked together solo once via PPV, Vader hated him because he wouldn't work stiff, no one could carry Sid Vicious on main events look at what happened in WCW, Shawn vs bulldog goes down as a fucking classic, do you not remember WWF One Night Stand?? Who the fuck you think that came about huh?? Bret Hart was a worse draw then shawn
LordIceman 1 month ago
@NikonSanz If you scrolled down and actually read comments you would see who mention ECW, furthermore Shawn during his era carried a company filled with sloppy men and mid carders not yet ready for the main stage due to there top names jumping ship, did you forget Macho man wasn't allowed to wrestle for nearly 2 years, perfect left, hall,nash, they were left with bret and bret couldn't draw shit under his reigns but should could and did heel or baby face get ya facts straight
LordIceman 1 month ago
@LordIceman Are you fucking ignorant or stupid?
WHY shawn did didnt draw isnt not whats being discussed.
Whats being discussed are the FACTS
Shawn Micheals is one of the worst draws in WWE history.
The end.
He does NOT draw money.
NikonSanz 1 month ago
@NikonSanz well, neither did most of the other Kliq members for that matter. When was the last time Kevin Nash drew a dime? Trutfully, HHH is the only Kliq member that ever really drew. Hall probably would have drew though if it wasn't for his demons
AdoublesLdouble 1 month ago
@AdoublesLdouble When was a HHH a big draw?
Ive seen him wrestle WITH draws.
Not sure he was the one ever drawing in the big money.
2003/2004 buyrates with him on top are pretty horrible
NikonSanz 1 month ago
@NikonSanz OK, maybe not in the traditional sense, but he did draw more than Michaels did. I'm just comparing him to Michaels
AdoublesLdouble 1 month ago
@AdoublesLdouble Yeah but me and you draw more money than Shawn Michaels, it aint hard.
Shawn is actually my favourite all time wrestler, but im gonna go OTT like his marks who actually believe he was some kind of mega draw. LOL.
NikonSanz 1 month ago
@AdoublesLdouble
*not gonna go OTT*
NikonSanz 1 month ago
@LordIceman and no, im pretty sure Hart was a better draw than michaels. sorry.
NikonSanz 1 month ago
@LordIceman lost their talent....
I call bullshit
Jerry Lynn and RVD never jumped shipped and had some of the greatest matches in the company's history
AdoublesLdouble 1 month ago
@AdoublesLdouble Are you fucking kidding me?? Jerry Lynn was blown up, bad hip,bad knee's they had some good matches not great and RVD...what legit wrestling did he do?? Oh front flip into a chair gtfo here
LordIceman 1 month ago
@steiner8burgerston Triple H was massively unpopular during the attitude era when Austin/Rock literally where the company. Thats why him and HBK hated the rock and tried to bury his career bc he was a star. Triple H had to remain a heel majority of the time bc he was so boring and the only reason he started to do better was bc he started dating steph. He was never even in top 4 as most popular wrestler in the attitude era while Austin/Rock ran the show
kinglbkiv 1 month ago
@kinglbkiv HBK left in early 98 when Rock was just few months into his gimmick, umm HHH was really popular in DX, he is considered 1 of the best heels in the business, certainly the best in the Attitude Era, HHH/Steph started dating years after HHH became a main eventer,...Go cry
steiner8burgerston 1 month ago
@steiner8burgerston Its a fact that T H was never on in the top 4 as most popular wrestlers in the late 90 to early 2000s while rock was up there from 98 until he left and was even 1st in 99/00 the highest ratings of WWF ever!!! T H started dating steph in late 98 dumbass right after he left China. HBK couldnt wrestler but he was still there in fact theres a promo of HBK/Rock talkin shit to T H in late 98. Rock is so far out of T H league its pathetic
kinglbkiv 1 month ago
@kinglbkiv LOL,learn to spell, HHH/Chyna were still together in 98, HHH was never popular? is that why DX was soo over that they had to turn face? HHH was even in line for a main event push in 1996, he was scheduled to win the KOTR 1996...Go cry
steiner8burgerston 1 month ago
@steiner8burgerston None of the dx members even did shit when the group fell apart and it was popular HBK was the face of the company and Triple H was in the kiqu who notorious for influencing vince. Facts dont lie, T H was never on the list while Rock/Austin where on it every year from 98 till they left. When Rock/Austin left ratings fell bad and kept falling each year. Triple H was a nobody during the great wrestling time period ever, he wasnt a king let alone king of kings haha
kinglbkiv 1 month ago
@kinglbkiv the ratings falling wasn't due to HHH. and HHH WAS one of the most popular that's why he became world champ LOL @ HHH being a nobody, i know u dont like the guy, but dont state stupid facts, and the kliq broke up 3 years before HHH became a main eventer...Try again
steiner8burgerston 1 month ago
@steiner8burgerston I like him i really do i think hes a cool down to earth guy but there are rumors along with Bret Hart writing in his book that HBK/Triple H hated rock bc they knew he was gonna be a huge star and they tried to bury him thats why in 98 rock was a heel to the very popular austin and joined the corporation with vince. When it was apparent he was to popular vince decided to just let him be a face and make money off of him. T H would be nothing without HBK/steph. Ratings ...
kinglbkiv 1 month ago
@kinglbkiv So your saying Rock was heel and joined the Corporation in 98 because "HHH wanted to" LOL weak... even if HHH wasn't with steph he'd still be a main eventer due to his popularity in DX...try again
steiner8burgerston 1 month ago
@steiner8burgerston I said HBK influence bc he was the man at the time even though under him WWF was gettin spanked by WCW. Why would you make your 2nd biggest star a heel, throw austin off a bridge, make rock have a funeral for austin, steal his skull head belt, supposedly run him over? Why else would you try to make rock the antagonist to your biggest star Austin? Triple H was a mid-carder even HBK said it and he finally won in 99 bc he was with steph. FACTS dont lie retard
kinglbkiv 1 month ago
@kinglbkiv LOL, it's called business make the 2 top stars feud with each other, are u an idiot? u actually think Rock was a heel cuz "HHH wanted to" LOL WEAK.. EVERYONE starts off in lower/midcard, it's CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT/PUSH..u marks loved HHH in DX and wanted to see more of him..and he became a ruthless Heel and then world, champ, all cuz u marks wanted him to, Like Cena.You all sucked on Cena's dick in 04 and wanted him in the main events and are now bitching about him.
steiner8burgerston 1 month ago
@steiner8burgerston ...started to fall in 02 when Rock/Austin barley wrestled and T H was the company. When Cold was out for surgery for almost a year and Rock was the company it did even better and they even named a show after the great one SMACKDOWN get real. T H won his first title in Aug 99 when he was WITH steph but rock already had it 3 times when T H got it for the first time hahahah dumbass
kinglbkiv 1 month ago
@kinglbkiv LOL HHH winning the title in 99 had NOTHING to do with steph, like i said ratings didnt fall in 02 cuz of HHH, they cuz the attitude era ended. if it was HHH's fault, why did Smackdown lose even more ratings?HHH wasnt on there, come up with legit facts....Go cry
steiner8burgerston 1 month ago
@steiner8burgerston So its a coincidence he went from a mid-card to champ out of the blue? Fuck no, he got with steph just to move up like a bitch. Im not saying ratings falling is T H fault at all, its bc the 2 biggest stars left! Austin/T H/Cena/Punk/ect tried to act but failed bc they dont have star power only the great one became more than some slave for vince. Go look up T H comments on his unique relationship with rock saying there professional rivals, please rock shitted on you.
kinglbkiv 1 month ago
@kinglbkiv HHH turned heel at WM15 when he joined the corporation, then he fueded with his former DX members then, Rock,until he feuded with Austin/Mankind, and if Steoh had anything to do with him winning, why didnt HHH win it at Summerslam?Cuz Austin didnt wanna lose it to him, so yea HHH didnt have much control over everyone "cuz of steph" like all u marks think.. and i have done research ont he whole Rock/HHH rivals and they've settled their difference years ago.....Go cry
steiner8burgerston 1 month ago
@steiner8burgerston T H was never face except for DX which HBK made, he could never do it by himself. He hates rock bc rock got cheers even as a heel working with vince which was suicide at that time. Vince even said himself the rating dropped bc the rock left for movies but theyll reinvent themselves. He wasnt shit before her and in a matter of months hes champ, really? I said T H hated rock but HBK tired to bury him. T H has a rep for doing the same.
kinglbkiv 1 month ago
@kinglbkiv HBK and HHH both made DX,try again.. and as i said HHH was elevating to the top in 99..lol prove to me that HHH "wasn't shit before her" You really shouldn't talk about thing u dont know about
steiner8burgerston 1 month ago
@steiner8burgerston I just explained it retard TH didnt do shit in 98, he was a midcard and was a sidekick to HBK and when he left TH stayed garbage till fall of 99 when he beat mankind for the title. My point is he had many title shots and lost all of them until he got with steph then he won and only then. I could see if he was already champ a year earlier in 98 like rock but he wasnt. He was a midcard at best till steph helped a little. He still wasnt popular when he did win, rock was so....
kinglbkiv 1 month ago
@kinglbkiv in 98 HHH led one the most popular groups in WWE history to new heights and beat rock for the IC belt in one of the most memorable matches, so again...and HHH was injured after that,but if HHH had wont the title then you'd still bitch about him with steph bullshit when u said they got together in 98...lol try again.. and yea he was popular..go watch the vids again... and Go cry while ur at it
steiner8burgerston 1 month ago
@steiner8burgerston I meant to type 99 simple mistake. Most popular group? NWO was the biggest group by far and DX was nothing when they all went there separate ways. If TH wouldve won in 98 i wouldnt have an argument. Rock didnt even have the title as a face in 99 and he was still the face of the company. Your mad bc you cant deny facts if TH was so good why wasnt he ever top 4 the list even as world champ in 99 and beyond till mid 2000s? Top 4 not even 1 or 2 , 4? Thats sad
kinglbkiv 1 month ago
@kinglbkiv i said "one of the most popular groups" and they certainly were the most in WWE, we aint talking bout WCW,kid stay in topic and where do u come up with this "most popualar" shit from? those online IWC/PWI what ever the fuck their called nerds? the ones who bitch about everything in wrestling?LOL...Your arguements are weak son and were not talking about Rock,were talking about HHH ...Go cry
steiner8burgerston 1 month ago
@steiner8burgerston You dont have any arguments idiot other than saying he was in a group that HBK started. He was a great heel, but everyone even wrestlers know he married steph to get ahead and FACT is your mad bc it worked. All of a sudden he was given opportunities and still was unpopular and votes are done by fans retard! God damn your stupid. Rock did more in his very short stint than almost every wrestler who spent double the time there.
kinglbkiv 1 month ago
@kinglbkiv umm try again watch HHH in 98 and see if he wasnt popular and every wrestlers says he married steph? like who? the midcards who will never be main eventers, or the roided-up druggie has-beens? the fans?LOL the same ones who LOVED John Cena(watch Cena in 2004, he had the biggest ovations on Smackdown!) and are the sames ones crying and bitching about him now,LOL your all hypocrites, still u got no arguements
steiner8burgerston 1 month ago
@steiner8burgerston STFU about Cena ive always thought he was ok ppl just gettin tired of his good guy act. He was popular in DX but not after he betrayed them to join the corporation. Are you really tryna say hes on the same level as Austin/Rock???
kinglbkiv 1 month ago
@kinglbkiv why do u keep bringing up austin/rock for? they have nothing to do with him and HHH was just a bug part of the attitude era as them and of course he wasnt popular (face) when he joined the corporation, he was a heel, Go cry
steiner8burgerston 1 month ago
@steiner8burgerston He was never a face. They turned DX to a face bc they where popular for going against vince but all of them where nothing after it except for H. Your thinking about this wrong, your judging it from now thinking about what H has done since then but in 1998-01 he wasnt popular at all and Vince said himself Rock was the biggest star after Austin. When Austin was out Rock helf WWF. When both left is tanked!!!! Go back and watch the segments they all had. H prob hates rock for..
kinglbkiv 1 month ago
@steiner8burgerston ...making fun of his big nose and always callin steph a whore for being with Test then H. Rock always referred to Smackdown as his show infront of H and it prob pissed him the fuck off bc it was his show. Rock/Austin sold by far the most merchandise back then your stupid if you think H was relevant. He has horrible mic skills and is boring to listen to
kinglbkiv 1 month ago
@kinglbkiv Rock making fun of HHH is all part of the show,dumbass he's supposed to be upset. and once agains this isnt about austin/rock, it's about HHH u still have no arguments...Go cry
steiner8burgerston 1 month ago
@steiner8burgerston No arguments? Rock was so huge in 99 they changed the shows name after him SMACKDOWN, he also beat hogan in 02 and was labeled an ICON and he wrestled a lot less than every other huge name ever! T H was a good heel but proved when Austin/Rock left he wasnt shit even with steph pullin the strings, and failed as an actor with vince giving him a push hahah hes straight ass and hates he wasnt a big part of the attitude era in a positive way.
kinglbkiv 1 month ago
@kinglbkiv umm again im not talking about rock, kid...ratings went down cuz the atittude era ended,nothing else. You fail to give me good arguements...Go cry
steiner8burgerston 1 month ago
@steiner8burgerston Your a stupid clueless idiot! The 2 greatest leave thats why the era ended and thats why ratings started to tank. T H has a horrible rep of screwing guys over and most say he conveniently married in the family he will never have that stigma bc hes known more for playing great politics than being a great wrestler
kinglbkiv 1 month ago
@kinglbkiv LOL so how is ratings starting to tank HHH's fault? and like i said the ones bitching about HHH using politics are the midcards at best, or the roided up drugged up has-beens, dont talk about things u dont know about,kid
steiner8burgerston 1 month ago
@steiner8burgerston Bc if he was nearly as big as you wish he was they wouldnt have feel. Ratings boosted with Rocks return now and hes garbage compared to late 90s thats why so many wrestlers hate on him like Orton/Punk/Cena/T H/ect he did what none of them could even though vince pushed hard to make Austin/T H movie stars they just sucked ass. Thats why T H backed out of SS bc he was scared of gettin overshadowed by the great one and vince knew rock would sell by himself.
kinglbkiv 1 month ago
@kinglbkiv why do you type Triple like T H? it makes u seem like a complete retard, and if that's the case why did Smackdown! ratings fall even lower? i already told you this, only the atitude era fans left not the real wrestlings fans, the brand extension still had "attitude" but more wrestling. brand split gave newcomers like Cena, Orton, and midcards like Guerreros,edge,lance storm 15-20 wrestling matches as to opposed to the 3-4 mintues they would've gotten in the atittude era...
steiner8burgerston 1 month ago
@kinglbkiv oh and Orton/punk/cena dont hate rock cuz 'they wish they were nearly as big as Rock" they hate him cuz he left wrestling,LOL again u fail...Go cry
steiner8burgerston 1 month ago
@steiner8burgerston Everyone hates rock bc he left but yet they all TRIED to do movies, and i bet if they got more offers they wouldve done the same. Why not get paid 10x more, travel a lot less, not hurt your body, ect rock is the great one end of story
kinglbkiv 1 month ago
@kinglbkiv just cuz they "TRIED" to do movies, doesnt mean they wanted to be like the Rock, again this is about HHH not Rock...Go cry
steiner8burgerston 1 month ago
@steiner8burgerston Smackdowns ratings fell after Rock left. Rock was the youngest person to ever become champ in 98. Rock had a show named after him, was 1st in most popular award in 99 and 00 and came 2nd in 01 before he left to do movies while T H was never up there. He was replaceable thats why he dated steph to become a big star like rock and it still didnt happen hahaha what a joke.
kinglbkiv 1 month ago
@kinglbkiv LOL, i swear u kids get dumber and dumber, you never proved me that HHH/steph dating in late 99 which they didnt, HHH won the title cuz u fans wanted him too, and HHH didnt become a mian event "cuz of the rock"LOL stupid kid, go cry
steiner8burgerston 1 month ago
@steiner8burgerston Steph started walkin with him everywhere in early 2000 so i know they wouldnt do that until they already felt comfortable datin. He was a midcard for 6 years and finally decided he wasnt ever going to be shit so he fucked steph. He was never top merch sales like Austin/Rock/even Cena. He was never within top 4 most popular at the time, he was a nobody and the company tanked while he was the guy so he deserves no credit.
kinglbkiv 3 weeks ago
@steiner8burgerston ...popular he literally made mankind famous with the stupid rock/sock connection bc before then he was never on the top most popular list but he came in 4th in 99 while rock was 1st, and after that he was never on the list again hahaha now that is popularity. Rock was so huge they name a fuckin show after him, and a series of video games after him. FACTS!!!!
kinglbkiv 1 month ago
@steiner8burgerston Not to mention T H spent 5 years on the bottom be4 HBK lifted his career, even Austin spent 7 years being a nobody be4 finally getting big, it took rock 1 year and he was already one of the most popular. Hes also the only wrestler out of many vince tried to push to make it in wrestling. FACTS
kinglbkiv 1 month ago
@NikonSanz That's why I can't stand people who bitch and moan about John Cena. I'm not a Cena fan, but HE DRAWS MONEY, pure and simple. Eddie Guerrero also never drew when he was a champion either for that matter. I love Eddie, may he rest in peace, but let's face it,. when he was the champion house show attendance and SmackDown ratings were down. In fact, Lesnar was probably the last champion on SD that actually did draw well (well, maybe Mysterio did to a certain point).
AdoublesLdouble 1 month ago
@AdoublesLdouble Fair Point on cena, i mean, I dont like him, but apparently him and rock are the last guys in the WWE who actually draw a dime, probably the reason why they will be main eventing at WM.
Since rock and austin left,few if any individual wrestlers draw, these days the promotion itself (WWE draws)
NikonSanz 1 month ago
Oh m god, So if Austin wasnt a draw in 1996, WHY ARE YOU BRINGING UP THE FACT HE WAS AROUND IN 1995/6 YOU FUCKING IDIOT.
YOU ARE MAKING MY POINT.
WWF WAS LOSING IN 1996 BECAUSE IT HAD GUYS THAT DIDNT DRAW MONEY.
AND THE BUISNESS COULDNT HAVE BEEN TOTALLY FUCKED BECAUSE YOU HAVE JUST ADMITTED WCW WAS DRAWING
YOU ARE A FUCKING PLANK - LOL.
STOP TRYING TO DUCK THE ACTUAL DISCUSSION,
ANSWER THE QUESTIONS OR FUCK OFF YOU PLUM.
NikonSanz 2 months ago
You dig yourself into a hole everytime you make a post.I asked you who were the wwf's big draws in 1997-and you replied with 'err..austin..and i believe the rock was one' lolz
My work here is done.
Another moron PWND.
*btw....I didnt send you the lists of tv'ppv buy rates (from Observer Newsletter period 1995-2002) Make your youtube channel visible and i'll PM you the details.
MOTHIKAS 2 months ago
@MOTHIKAS You fucking cunt, I was talking about 97/98
Rock and Austin.
Can you read, are do you have down syndrome.
WHY ARE YOU AVOIDING THE QUESTION.
Given that you claim to have the PPV buyrates infront of you.
Do you stand by your comment shawn Micheal was a draw???????????
Or are you gonna keep ducking it cos you are a fucking idiot who doesnt know what drawing is.
LOL.
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@NikonSanz How old are you?? Iv wasted nearly an hour explaining why low ppv buy rate is a result of low tv ratings.You keep comparing 'Maivia and Austin's drawing power to Shawns Drawing power in 1996.Austin was IN THE WWF IN 1995.Maivia was IN THE WWF IN 1996.Wrestling was dead in 1996-because the business was cold.Iv said to you 3 times..I'll SEND you the details of tv draws/and ppv revenue draws from an 8 year period starting jan1995-jan 2003. MAKE YA CHANNEL VISIBLE you trolling tart.
MOTHIKAS 2 months ago
@MOTHIKAS Rick was NOT THE MASSIVE DRAW IN 96 HE WOULD LATER TURN INTO
NOR WAS AUSTIN
YOU FUCKING RETARD.
SO WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.
THEY STARTING DRAWING IN 97/98.
ANSWER THE QUESTIONS I ASKED YOU AND STOP HIDING.
LOL
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@MOTHIKAS And WCW was beating WWF in 96, was buisness bad for them?
NO THEY HAD GUYS WHO WERE DRAWING, LIKE HOGAN AND LATER ON THE NWO.
Then in 97/98, Austin started drawing and he turned it around.
WWF were fucked in 96 because they werent drawing, austin was NOT a big draw in 96.
got that retard.
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@NikonSanz You are not worth arguing with.Every post you have made is a repetition.You still havnt quite grasped the fact that BIG tv ratings and hot angles=buy rates and drawing title holders. Interesting you mentioned Hogan being a DRAW in 1996.lol.Back in 1996,Hogan wasnt drawing shit.WCW's top draws via ppv buy rates in 1996 up until the NWO angle were Rick Flair and Randy Savage. Austin wasnt a big DRAW in 1996? No SHIT SHERLOCK. !! Re-read my posts you fucking troll.
MOTHIKAS 2 months ago
@MOTHIKAS Answer the Question about Shawn Michaels.
And then explain how HHH setting records for some of the worst buyrates of all times means he is a draw in the WWE.
And then after that, we will talk about your theory that only guys who make money get the belt.............when Mark Henry and Chris Jericho had the belt.
Even Bradshaw had the belt and hes possibly THE worst drawing champion ever.
Again.
You sir..........are a fucking idiot.
NikonSanz 2 months ago
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NikonSanz 2 months ago
All of the matches between Steiner and Triple H are here on Youtube. I think the only moves Steiner knows is a a few variations of a suplex.
m8x425 2 months ago
@m8x425 According to Steiner,those matches with Helmsley were booked to go longer than they should have.Which if it is true,are an open admission by Steiner that he was in no fit state to work main event matches.Steiner was basically 'fed' to Helmsley because they thought it was a marquee match (which it certainly wasnt)
The burial of the piece of shit Steiner happened because of Vince MacMahon.Far more talented workers from WCW met the same fate.
MOTHIKAS 2 months ago
He doesnt have your " sympy" ? Man. why cant you kids spell? I mean really, that is staggering awful English. Your parents are failures.
tatemansfeet 2 months ago
@tatemansfeet He's making fun of how Scott Steiner pronounces "Sympathy"
LilGwizzlepimpin 2 months ago
HHH couldnt draw flies to shit on a hot summers day, 2003 is an example, he headlines some of the lowest drawing Royal Rumble and Survivior series PPVs of all time.
He's a fucking pussy, he wont dare bad mouth steiner cos steiner will fucking knock him senseless, this aint some scripted wrestling bullshit, steiner is a REAL pro wrestler and all american, not some fat nosed gimp who had to fuck the bosses daughter to get a push.
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@NikonSanz lol. When the fuck did Steiner draw? And when was he ever in a decent match that didnt involve a tag team? And whilst im here, WHAT is a REAL pro wrestler??
Scott Steiner fanboys are like the bimbo's that used to follow that gassed out piece of shit to the ring on Nitro when he was its champion (which was when that tv show was drawing its lowest ratings ever)
MOTHIKAS 2 months ago
@MOTHIKAS When the fuck did you hear me say the words scott steiner drew?
Oh thats right, you didnt.
Thing is scott steiner wasnt rammed down the viewers throats year after year cos he was banging the bosses daughter who was in her daddy's ear and now creative. And steiner didnt get title run after title when when it was proven he wasnt a big draw.
The Kliq are a bunch of backstabbing cunts in general NONE of them drew big money in WWE period, they get over by politicking.
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@NikonSanz Helmsley was main eventing,and being groomed for big things before he was shacked up with Stephanie.With regards to 'The Kilq',only 2 members of that group Shawn and Diesel ever held the world title.Diesel was a complete failure.His matches sucked and he didnt draw.But Shawn most certainly DID draw and was mcmahons choice for champion until Austin blew up in late 96/early 97.
The only reason Steiner was given the title in wcw was because poor booking had pissed off most of the roster
MOTHIKAS 2 months ago
@MOTHIKAS Okay lets sort this
1.Shawn Michaels is one of the worst drawing champions OF ALL TIME, fact, he is not and NEVER WAS a draw, his run in 95/96, didnt draw a fucking dime and WWE was in the toilet financially.
2. King of this ring means nothing, bully gunn won the king of the ring, HHH was never up for a title shot until he started banging steph behind chyna's back, and guess what HHH could draw files to shit, 2003 with him on top = WWE worst year financially since 96.
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@NikonSanz Shawn didnt 'have a run' (as you are fond of saying) in 1995 either.Seeing as you are keen on 'facts', i thought it was only fair to point that one out before i tear you to shreds with some REAL facts.I'll wait for your FACTS that Michaels was 'one of the worst drawing wwf champions of all time'- Then i'll come back at you.This argument wouldnt be so fuckin ridiculous if it wasnt happening with somebody defending a lifetime midcarder like Steiner.
MOTHIKAS 2 months ago
@MOTHIKAS Oh YET ANOTHER THING FOR YOU.
The WWE are saying that they are expecting TLC to do the lowest buyrates of 2011, which means it could do WORSE THAN VENGANCE.
Which would make it one of the worst PPV's of all time drawing wise.
HHH vs Kevin Nash is on that card is it not?
But i thought HHH was a draw???
LOL.
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@NikonSanz
looool your right man HHH is not a draw maybe he is a good heel but not a draw his just a bitch and a great thing in heeling XD
q8altair12 2 months ago
@MOTHIKAS
3.Steiner is spot on in everything he said, HHH would be a goner if he wasnt in the mcmahon family, the guy was a jobber who only even got to midcard becaus he was carrying shawn michaels bags in the kliq. HHH is a classic case of how politics gets you to the top over drawing power. He's got more pushes than austin and rock, and he isnt even close to them in terms of drawing......that happened because his wife booked him on top, simple as that.
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@NikonSanz You are a complete and utter joke.2003 WAS the wwf's worst year since 1996 because because the business had flatlined generally-it was nothing to do with 'who was on top'.Hence the reason Mcmahon started hotshotting and bringing in guys like Goldberg. Helmsley was a multiple time world champion before pro wrestling hit a brick wall.And,as for Shawn being 'one of the worst drawing champions of all time'.LOL!
MOTHIKAS 2 months ago
@MOTHIKAS Let try again. With the FACTS. A draw is someone who draws in the crowds, which makes money as in, people turn up, to watch this person perform.
Shawn Michaels is one THE WORST DRAWS IN WWE History, he did NOT draw money. Simple-as - that, if you dont draw money, you are not a draw. LMAO. Go online and look at the state of WWF during 96, HORRIBLE. Michaels never drew a fucking dime. Great wrestler, imo the best in ring ive seen....NOT A DRAW.
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@MOTHIKAS Triple H is NOT a draw. Jim Cornette summed it up
''HHH is the guy that WORKS with the guy that draws the money''
WWE had to put him in with REAL DRAWS like Austin and Rock and Foley got him over, but he is not a draw, in 2003 he couldnt even draw with Goldberg, and Goldberg was a draw in WCW.
In 2003 he dont some of the worst buyrates of all time, 3rd and 4th worst Survior series and royal rumble EVER, for example.
HHH is not a draw, never was a draw.
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@NikonSanz STOP rambling on about 2003 you complete and utter tool.By 2003 the wwf had lost over 30% of its audience due to crap booking.It doesnt matter who is main eventing when business is on a downward spiral.Wrestling in general was in a dire state in 1996-it was nothing to do with the guys on top.Goldberg WASNT a draw in wcw for the last 18 months he was there,because just like everybody else who worked there he had been buried.Ok. Glad i cleared that up for ya.
MOTHIKAS 2 months ago
@MOTHIKAS You still dont know what a draw is do you.
Lets try again, Take HHH's dick out your ass for 2 secs and listen.
A draw is someone who draws in the crowds, as in the crowds pay money, just to see a particular person.
Here is an example of a draw. TIGER WOODS, people who dont even watch golf as a whole, watch golf if woods is playing, thats an example.
NOW
HHH is NOT A DRAW.
The stats show he is NOT A DRAW.
He wrestled WITH DRAWS (rock, austin)
HE DOESNT DRAW.
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@MOTHIKAS
Now if, HHH was a draw, he wouldnt have been posting some of the worst PPV buyrates of all time, which especially bad seeing as he was even in programs with big draws like Bill goldberg. thats just one example of his drawing power.
Royal Rumble 2005, at the time apparently was the 3rd worst drawing royal rumble of all time.
Headlined by HHH
He
does
not
draw
big
money.
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@NikonSanz It seems to have escaped your attention that wwf/e business has been in the toilet since 2003.Comparing any wrestlers drawing power,be it ratings or ppv buy rates to the business' hot period back in 98 shows what a retard you are.Helmsley was main eventing when the wwf was getting 6's in the weekly tv ratings,and ppv revenue was thru the roof.
Its becomming very obvious that you dont actually seem to know what 'drawing' means.Wrestlers who dont make money dont get the belt.Understand?
MOTHIKAS 2 months ago
@MOTHIKAS Oh my fucking daze, you actually dont know what a draw is.
The mark of a draw is mainly PPV buyrates, same as in boxing, same as in UFC.
WWE is in the toilet because its wrestlers do not draw, (with the possible exception of cena)
How can HHH be a draw when he headlines some of the worst drawing ppv's of all time?
Your an idiot, and the fact you think Shawn Micheals is a draw shows you dont have a fucking clue what you are talking about.
LOL.
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@NikonSanz PPV buy rates are high when the tv show has ratings. WWE hasnt had RATINGS since the decline started back in 2002.DONT compare wwe ppv buy rates to boxing or ufc,because you will be digging yourself into a bigger hole than you are already in.If you havnt quite figured out yet why ppv buy rates are lower now,than back in 1998/99 ect- Then, you should re-read all of my posts on here.The fact that you dont seem to understand the similarity between 1996 WWF and 2003 WWE says it all really
MOTHIKAS 2 months ago
@MOTHIKAS What the fuck are you on about?
One min you are saying Shawn Michaels drew big money,
then you said HHH was a draw,
now we have established HHH is NOT draw, you are saing you only get the belt if you draw money......
And then you are saying wrestling is in the shit thats why its not drawing money.
Its very fucking simple you tard. In 98/99 you had 2 of the 3 biggest draws EVER, rock and austin.
When they went off the boil, there were no draws left.
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@NikonSanz Christ Almighty. Did you go to special school or something? What a tard. Listen,YOU TWAT. i HAVE EXPLAINED why BUY RATES in 1996 and 2003 were low (Everything POST 2003 falls under the same bracket) If you STILL havnt quite grasped how a tv shows ratings affect ppv buy rate.Then you never will.Honestly,iv argued with some dumb fuckers over the years on youtube,but you are taking the biscuit. RE-READ posts.
MOTHIKAS 2 months ago
@MOTHIKAS You havent explained shit, after telling us all that Shawn Michaels was a big draw you said poor booking was responsible for a 30% loss of buisness.
My answers to that are..........
1.Your a fucking idiot.
2.Your a fucking idiot, the reasons wwe were in the toilet in 2003 was because people did not want to but the PPV's, which means they were NOT drawing, which means guys like triple H who headlined them and bombed ARE NOT DRAWS.
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@NikonSanz sigh..... YOU are comparing main event PPV BUY RATES FROM 1998/99 TO PPV BUY RATES of 2003-2011. !!!!! DO THE FUCKING MATH YOU THICK FUCK. 1998/99 was a hot period for tv ratings. 2003-present day,has been nearly half of those numbers. WRESTLING IS A TV SHOW!! AND ITS TV SHOW RATINGS AFFECT PPV BUY RATES!!!!! DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?????? HOLY SHIT
MOTHIKAS 2 months ago
@MOTHIKAS ITS 2011 AND THE PAY VIEW BUYS STILL SUCK
Vengance TRIPLE H on the card. 2nd LOWEST DRAWING PPV EVER!!!!!
TLC, Triple H is co main event, Rumours are WWE expect this PPV to DRAW LESS THAN VENGANCE 2011!!!!!!
GOT THAT, 2011.
NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT 98.
ITS 2011 AND TRIPLE H STILL CANT DRAW.
SO HOW IN THE FUCK CAN HE BE A DRAW?
LOL
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@NikonSanz THE PPV BUY RATE SUCKS BECAUSE THE BUSINESS IS FLAT. AND IT HAS BEEN FLAT SINCE LATE 2002........SURELY...SURELY..EVEN SOMEONE AS FUCKING STUPID AS YOU CAN SEE THAT??? I would PM you the exact details of wwf draws,both tv rating,and buy rates from 1995 through to the cool off point-but you are a fag with an invisible youtube channel.
MOTHIKAS 2 months ago
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@MOTHIKAS I repeat one more time, because you are obviously not very clever.
Here is why the wrestling buisness is flar.
YOU HAVE GUYS THAT DONT DRAW MONEY.
AND TRIPLE H IS ONE OF THEM.
THE
FUCKING
END.
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@NikonSanz The 30% drop in viewership i referred to was from the start of the WCW Invasion Booking disaster to the six months afterwards.Once AGAIN,you didnt read my post correctly.YOU are unbelivable.
MOTHIKAS 2 months ago
@MOTHIKAS
You are the only person in the world, who thinks settings records for the lowest ppv buyrates of all times make you draw.
WWE made money in 98-2000 because 2 of the 3 biggest draws EVER IN HISTORY were around at the same time.
When those draw went off the boil, RATING WENT DOWN
People- did-not-want-to-pay-to-see-HHH.
Even now in 2011
People- do-not- want- to pay -to - see HHH.
So if people arent paying to see you, how are you a draw?
LMAO.
Simple- as - that.
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@NikonSanz The fact that you feel the need to type 'LMAO' at the end of every post you have made during this discussion-Coupled with the fact you have an invisible youtube account proves you are a troll.I knew that when i started to pluck you to pieces yesterday.
I have offered to send you lists of TV Draws/PPV Draws from 1995 through to the cool off in 2003.The part thats funny with you,is that you cant see the similarity of 96 wwf and 2003 wwe. Some CUNTS never learn
MOTHIKAS 2 months ago
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@NikonSanz Tv ratings affect ppv buy rates. When will you understand that you shitehawk.
Compare wwf tv ratings in 1995/96 to wwf tv ratings 1998/99
Compare wwf ppv buy rates 1995/96 to wwf ppv buy rates 1998/99
The tv ratings determine the ppv buy rate (along with how well a programme is booked)
Helmsley main evented DURING the hottest period in us Pro wrestling history.Once again..i'll send you the details.Mr invisible youtube account
MOTHIKAS 2 months ago
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@NikonSanz Id be interested to know who these '2 top draws' were in 1997 that you speak of. Who were they?
MOTHIKAS 2 months ago
@MOTHIKAS I said 97/98. Stone Cold was one, I believe rock was another, maybe im a year out at the most. The point is, WWF was getting destroyed in 96 because IT DID NOT DRAW. Simple.
Along came Stone cold steve Austin.
He drew HUGE MONEY.
WWE Turned it around.
Now they have wrestlers who dont draw money.
Nor does TNA
The result.
WWE in the toilet.
TNA in the toilet.
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@MOTHIKAS Now Answer MY Question
You say you have the ppv buyrates from 95 onwards.
Do you stand by your claim Shawn Michaels was a draw?
LMAO.
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@MOTHIKAS
By the way having read your list of PPV buyrates.
Do you still stand by your comment that Shawn Michaels was a draw?
L-O-L.
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@MOTHIKAS
If you are a draw, you make people pay to watch you, Apparently the WWE expect TLC to be the worst drawing PPV of the entire year, and HHH is the co main event vs Kevin Nash I believe.
So how in the FUCK can HHH be draw, when he's been on some of the lowest drawing ppv's since back in 2003.
For the 3rd fucking time, you are a fucking IDIOT.
You think shawn michaels draws money when he was setting all time time records for lowest number of PPV buys.4
LOL
NikonSanz 2 months ago
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@MOTHIKAS PS. And as for your ludricrious claims that only wrestlers who draw, get the belt.
Mark Henry, is he a draw, seeing as he headlined the 2nd worst drawing ppv of all time.
Was Chris Jericho a draw, they made him undisputed champion
Shawn Michaels was a champion, Diesel was a champion, Kane was a champion.
Nope they didnt draw a dime.
Your a fucking idiot.
The end.
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@MOTHIKAS One more thing for you, If HHH is such a big draw, and so many people pay to see him wrestle, can someone explain why WWE Vengance 2011 is apparently the 2nd worst drawing PPV of all times?
Surely if HHH was a draw that PPV would have done better.
LOL.
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@MOTHIKAS Go and look up what a draw actually is and then when you work it out, comeback and talk to me. Austin and Rock were settings records in terms of drawing power and they got less pushes and title runs than HHH and they are the 1st and 3rd biggest draws of all time apparently.
So that right there tells you HHH is at the top for a reason, aint it aint money.
Just a guess, but might have something to do with the fact his wife books the fucking show.
NikonSanz 2 months ago
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@MOTHIKAS Go and look up what a draw actually is and then when you work it out, comeback and talk to me. Austin and Rock were settings records in terms of drawing power and they got less pushes and title runs than HHH and they are the 1st and 3rd biggest draws of all time apparently.
So that right there tells you HHH is at the top for a reason, aint it aint money.
Just a guess, but might have something to do with the fact his wife books the fucking show.
NikonSanz 2 months ago
@MOTHIKAS I'll tell you one other thing about steiner, he actually wrestle. REAL wrestling, not the fake shit that HHH does, HHH is a joke, he cant even draw big in a company built around him with his wife doing the booking and his father in law running the company.
This is why he was a jobber in WCW and a Jobber/Nobody in the WWF until he latched onto the Kliq.
You know how he got into the Kliq right?
He was a bag carrier for shawn michaels hahahahhaha. Seriously.
NikonSanz 2 months ago
they both like motorhead, prehaps these girls need to get a room
naulttt 2 months ago
@tdog71195 I guess 35 people couldn't play The Game :D
theduke502 2 months ago
HHH seemed like he was undecided on how he wanted to respond to Steiner's comments. On one hand, he was trying to be cool about it and not give any significant meaning. However, instead of being totally mature and gracefull, he added all these little snide insults like calling lumping TNA as an "indie" organization and saying people who never got to where they wanted to be which is crazy considering TNA are a little more than just some "indie" promotion and Steiner use to be the WCW Champion
RedCancer 3 months ago
@RedCancer I don't want to be rude or anything. You kind of have to agree with Paul here. (Yes I mean Hunter) Steiner never actually did get to where he wanted. Ok he won the WCW title granted. But never the World Title in WWE or in TNA. And that's legit.
Taking it into consideration I watch TNA. They only care about the ratings. That doesn't make up for the copied WWE Storylines and Gimmicks.
Guru22007 3 months ago
HHH seemed like he was undecided how he wanted to respond Steiner's comments. On one hand, he was trying to be cool about it and not give any significant meaning. However, instead of being totally mature and gracefull, he added all these little snide insults like calling lumping TNA as an "indie" organization and saying people who never got to where they wanted to be which is crazy considering TNA are a little more than just some "indie" promotion and Steiner use to be the WCW Champion
RedCancer 3 months ago
billion dollar company lol... its not even worth half of that now
saurabhzutshi 5 months ago
HHH sux... always has always will... Steiner was better before the steroids. He was great once, he really was but his current self is a joke.
PtolemyJones 5 months ago
@PtolemyJones HHH is one of the greatest wrestlers of all time
dude is a multi time world champion
so stop hating
dudes a legen and has allways been better than Steiner
hanmerboys 5 months ago
@hanmerboys Cena and Hogan are multiple time title holders and neither they nor triple H are worthy to lace the boots of a Rick Flair, or Lou Thez. Stop drinking the cool aid, the man has never had any ring skills, and never will. Heck, he didn't even deserve to be in the ring with Mankind, much less the Undertaker.
PtolemyJones 4 months ago
@PtolemyJones dude i am a Taker fan but HHH has allot of talent allot more than Hogan and Cena
hanmerboys 4 months ago
@hanmerboys When I think HHH top moments, none involve wrestling, they involve the skits, like when he attacked Orton at home with his sledge hammer, or his days in DgX, with the fancy patter, and the suck it's. Does he entertain? Clearly he entertains some, but when I think of the great wrestlers, at least some of the top moments are in the ring, like the feud between Flair and Steamboat, or when the Steiner threw his first Frankensteiner. I hopped out of my chair. HHH is a big muscular nothing
PtolemyJones 4 months ago
HHH was one of the greatest wrestlers in the attitude era
when he debued he had one of the most inovative ways to preforme a piledriver
Steiner on the other hand has no talent what so ever
why do you think HHH is still headlining Wrestlemania with Taker while Steiner is in the second rate TNA
hanmerboys 4 months ago
@hanmerboys How long have you been watching wrestling. Scott Steiner definitely in his prime was a better wrestler than Triple H
TheEbhagzzz 4 months ago
@TheEbhagzzz ude just ability does not make the wrestler
3 things makes the wrestler
1.Ability
2.Mic skills
3.Personality
HHH has Steiner beat in 2-1
with Mic skills and personality
this is not olympic wrestling becouse if it was guys like Angle and Daniel Bryan would be on top of the wrestling world
hanmerboys 4 months ago
@hanmerboys Well, based on this Kurt angle should never have been the WWE champ. And Cena should never EVER have tasted WWE gold.
pakifighter 4 months ago
@pakifighter well Kurt Angle has the mic skills and the ing ring ability that makes up for his lack in personality
Cena beleve it or not has ok mic skills he had good personality but now WWE made him into what he is today
but ya HHH still has Steiner beat
hanmerboys 4 months ago
@hanmerboys Angle WAS on top of the wrestling world he was maineventing WWF in 2001-2003 and had major feuds with Lesnar in '03, Guerrero in '04, HBK in '05 and Cena in '06 all of which either the main storyline or one that received a lot of TV time. How you can imply Angle had no personality is beyond me he is more charismatic than anyone in WWE right now.
StephenAlexWalker 4 months ago 2
@StephenAlexWalker i mean like bigger than Hogan or Stone Cold i don't mean like his never been in the spot light i mean like sorta being the wrestling god
hanmerboys 4 months ago
@hanmerboys agreed, i say mic skills and personality are more important than wrestling skills, as long as the wrestler has descent in ring ability
bludika 3 months ago
@hanmerboys If you would pay attention, I said Steiner was good before the roids. That was nineties. He's been a joke ever since.
HHH has always been a joke, and he still gets attention because he is sleeping with Vince's daughter. In the attitude error, Stone Cold was the star, and he never had any wrestling skills either. The point of the attitude era was that success was about attitude, and not ability.
PtolemyJones 4 months ago