Wing saw kolobok as someone who shouldnt be underestimated, so he went all out on that second set. Kolobok 2nd set was too fimble to crush wing. Though his first set was unique with great execution. Good battle. Kolobok could've made it far, just unlucky to face wing.
uh.. 3 rounds would definitely be better 1st round goes 2 kolobok and then 2nd round is wing overall wing won because of koloboks crash. i really don't like wing hes not very humble he's very cocky
"You say dancing=dancing (obviously) but the definition of dance and bboying is so broad that to say a move like a flare isn't dancing is ridiculous." -dudepal
Bboys took the flare and INTEGRATED this MOVE into the dance, but my argument is that the execution of the move alone =/= dancing. I believe that semantics are preventing us from understanding one another. Not saying that a using a flare in a set isn't dancing, but stating that the move alone doesn't equate to a dance hence↓
@IamtheSamis Expressing the individual is the most basic definition of what dance is, whether it is through executing individual moves or with a whole routine. I'll say it again, what makes bboying unique is the attitude, culture, and individuality the bboys bring to the circle. Someone can come out and execute moves, still be dancing, but if he is not artistic he will get little to no respect and lose the battle.
This is going nowhere, and now you're talking to readers? Really?
@dudepal187 You'll say it again? My whole argument thus far has maintained that the dance's essence is within the attitude, culture, approach, intent, and individuality. The base of your debate has shifted several times over. You are now making my argument for me. I already stated that a move alone is not dancing, but how one approaches said move is what makes one a dancer HENCE WHY WHEN YOU SAID MORGAN HAMM WAS DANCING I DISAGREED. One thing we can agree on is the lack of progression being made
@IamtheSamis Its your opinion that I "geeked out," I dont see how you can interpret any emotion coming through anything I've written.
Anyway, my argument hasnt changed at all, I've tried wording it differently but the message hasnt changed. Doing a dance move is dancing, doing that dance move(s) doesnt necessarily make one a dancer, and being a bboy means being artistic with whatever you choose to do. Where exactly is our disagreement?
BTW, Im continuing this because maybe I'll learn something.
@dudepal187 Scroll back to your initial reply to my original comment. You'd say that was a non emotional response? Ironically if you truly responded in a level headed and respectful manner this conversation would have ended a week ago.
Anyway, my major dispute with your ideology is your belief that the execution of a dance move is equivalent to actually dancing. If you came across someone doing an air baby, would you think to yourself, "Oh my! What a great dance(er)?
@IamtheSamis Theres really no emotion in anything I said.. Perhaps you saw what you wanted to see?
If I saw someone doing an air baby, I would consider it dancing, but I wouldnt be impressed until they incorporate that into a unique set with good flow. If someone was on the street doing just a 3 step would you say he is dancing? What if it was a moonwalk or a type of toprock? It couldnt be anything but dancing. Why is a powermove different?
"Nah, not really. How do tricks lead to an automatic win in bboying which is a dance? Smh" -Me "Obviously I wasnt serious smart ass, and pwrmoves are just as much a part of bboying as anything else, especially unique ones like wingmills. Plz dont start w/ that "tricks" bs" -Dudepal187
I don't know man. Seems like a pretty emotional response on your behalf all things considering. . .
@dudepal187 And yes, I'm telling anyone who is actually reading through all this nonsense to back track. Seriously, just think about it for a second. Was it really so far fetched for me to assume from your original comment that you weren't a typical youtube Wing fanatic? I didn't even come at you aggressively and you totally geeked out. You could have kept it moving or calmly explained yourself if you choose, but you went aggro and the rest is history. I didn't even diss you, I asked a simple ?
You're delusional. You can run through my entire argument from my initial comment and not once highlight where I even tried bringing the conversation into the arena of what defines the "Perfect Bboy". I just don't understand your type, the type that takes something with foundation / history and warps it to fit their ideology. Question, who said "bboying is ALL about individuality and expressing the art in your own way"? If such was true a dancer could do push - ups for his / her set ↓
@lengthao5 just get enough speed and when your about to bend your knees be sure to put them as close as possible and tuck your head inside....and just give yourself that extra push...you'll get it...i only got one spin down..
@IamtheSamis Are you really going to argue with me over this? My point was that Wing's second set is a tough one to beat, the comment obviously wasnt meant to be taken seriously. Your whole criticism of me is based on assumptions..
You called the powermoves I mentioned tricks and worded it in a way that implied those moves are not dancing. Choose your words better next time.
@dudepal187 So I'm the one assuming, yet you said and I quote "And powermoves are just as much a part of bboying as anything else". I repeat, when did I say they weren't? Truth is you need to word yourself better. This was a dope showcase by both dancers and all you had to say for it was Wing's 2000s and Wingmills are an automatic Wing, but in your world that now translates to "Wing's second set is a tough one to beat". Think what you want, but 2000s aren't dancing, they're a move. . .
@IamtheSamis Yes, you assumed I was being serious and you assumed how I would act if you agreed. I already said you implied with your poor wording that powermoves werent dancing and now you just said 2000s arent dancing...
Im a fan of Wing and Jinjo crew more than I am of Kolobok and East Side Bboyz, so I chose to comment the way I want with my own humor. I dont really expect idiots like you to take it seriously and tell me my comment was "weak." Its one comment, get over it.
@dudepal187 Power moves aren't dancing, they're powermoves. They became a part of bboying, but a power move alone isn't anymore a part of the actual dance than a freeze is. Anyway, your commentary was weak. I'd tell you to take your own advice and get over it, but I'm in serious doubt that you could or would. You've been deeply offended since I made my first reply to you. It was barely two sentences long, but it seems to have struck a nerve. Keep being a fan, you're very good at it :)
@IamtheSamis Powermoves are dancing, they are just as much a form of self-expression as any other movement. If a 2000 is done on beat with a record scratch is that not dancing? Why should the definition different if the move doesnt necessarily match the music? My first response was a few sentences, everything you just said applies to you much more than me while everything I say applies directly to things you said.
There you go assuming things again, I appreciate the insults..
@dudepal187 I'm done debating you about bboying. People like yourself are always trying to contort the essence of this dance into what you want it to be or represent and not accepting it for what is is and was. It's a dance, the powermoves, freezes, and blowups came later. Anyway, don't listen to me. . . Listen to Ken Swift and try to learn something. Just search Ken Swift interview from Style Wars
@IamtheSamis Sure they came later, but they are now part of the dance. Why should anyone be able to tell a powermover they are not dancing? Not even Ken Swift denies powermoves as dancing. He just hates how media fails to show the artistry.
I called you a smart ass for being condescending and critical over a meaningless comment. Ugh, dont act like you werent insulting me, even if it was indirect. I dont know what you're still trying to prove but its getting old.
@dudepal187 Lastly, neither Ken Swift or myself denied that powermoves are part of the dance, but he clearly states what the ESSENCE of bboying is and I don't recall him listing powermoves. Bboying is a very unique dance with a ton of elements, but when dancers refer to the dancing aspect of bboying they are NOT referring to power, blowups, or freezes. This is clear as day if you'd just listen and stop trying to warp what they are saying. A 2000 alone is JUST a move. . . End of story, bro
@IamtheSamis Yes you did, "Power moves aren't dancing, they're powermoves." If someone performs one category of a dance then it is still dancing, and it is still dancing even when performing a single move. Ken Swift's interviews are irrelevant, and it depends which bboy you ask about that. Many will say powermoves are equally valued to the other elements.
Answering my question with the same question, good answer! I've already said everything, refer to previous comments or forget it, your choice.
@dudepal187 I totally stand buy that. A flare is just a flare, what makes it PART of the dance is how it's done, and even then. . . It's just a PART of the dance, not THE DANCE itself.
I can prove my point and disprove everything you're saying and believe with the following. You and anyone else interested can search "Morgan Hamm Airflare Debut". He flares, airflares, and windmills. So duepal, is Morgan Hamm a bboy or dancer? According to you he is because powermoves are dancing. . .
@IamtheSamis A part of the dance is still the dance, even by itself. Gymnasts do dance when they do airflares, they put together routines to music in the olympics. However gymnasts perform set pieces. They will transition from flare to airflare and then end in a split, they all look virtually the same. What makes bboys unique is that they tap into the artistry that dance has to offer and use it to express themselves, whether it is through mastering one category or a balance of many elements.
@dudepal187 We'll just have to agree to disagree. Personally I think you're reaching (very far). Also you're incorrect about gymnastics, when they judge floor routine they break the performance down into elements (or at least they used to). Dancing is all that ballerina like activity done to the music. Then they proceed to tumble and perform skills. But seriously, why are we debating this? Are you that upset that I disagree with you on something that you persist to say was only a joke.
@IamtheSamis If you want to describe gymnast's floor routine simply, its a short dance routine that is judged very technically on many levels. It may be very strict, heavy on stunts and powermoves, and there isnt a lot of room for innovation, but its dancing nonetheless. Rhythmic and technical movements to music is dancing, end of story.
Why do you insist on telling me Im upset? Thats not even relevant. Agreeing to disagree is fine with me, but why are you now going back to my original comment?
@dudepal187 Once again I must ask you to re-read. I've referred to your original comment on more than one occasion. I prognosis is that the only reason this discussion continues to play out is because you're attempting to draw attention away from your original commentary.
Lastly, you're kidding yourself if you truly believe a gymnastics floor routine to simply be just a dance. They break it up into elements. That Is why you can have a strong DANCING portion, but a poor tumbling section
@IamtheSamis We've been over my original comment -_-
The fact that it has tumbling sections and flips is irrelevant, it still fits the definition of a dance. Again, someone is dancing whilst doing an individual move, even for a second its still dancing. Of course bboys who do that will get mocked, bboying is all about individuality and expressing the art in your own way. We arent discussing what makes a perfect bboy, we are talking about what is defined as dance which you dont seem to get.
@dudepal187 and call him or herself a bboy / girl. Bboying is not ALL about self expression, start listening to the originators instead of creating your own theories about a dance that has already created it's own theories and has a history. If this dance was ALL and ONLY about individual expression then it wouldn't stress musicality, hitting beats, or moves in general. Flips =/= Dancing, Freezes =/= dancing, Flares =/= dancing. DANCING = DANCING and you integrate different elements into dance
@dudepal187 Look up this video entitled "POE ONE". He gives great insight on HIS views on bboying, but also a great analysis on the factual history and essence of the dance. Seriously, I'm not trying con conflict with you, I truly think it would give you an insight on what I'm saying. Facts are your views don't really coincide with the views of the originators of this dance. Just for a second stop and accept what bboying is. If you want to create something new the do it, but it wont be bboying
@IamtheSamis You act like I dont know who Poe One is... You seem close-minded. Bboying is constantly changes and reinventing itself. Freezes, blowups, and powermoves have become part of the dance so you have no good reason to tell me those moves are not dancing, and you certainly have no right to tell a bboy who is expressing himself through those moves that he is not dancing. A dancer COULD do all flips for his set and it will still be dancing, he will just lose if he does it that way.
@dudepal187 You obviously didn't listen to the interview then, He clearly stated that you can do a certain move and still not be a bboy or dancer. It's the approach and intent that makes that move a part of the dance. I know plenty of people that can flare and windmill who aren't dancers so to say that doing a move is equivalent to dancing is ridiculous. A freeze alone is just a freeze, knowing how to do one or doing one doesn't make you a bboy. Get your mind right man. . .
@dudepal187 People are quick to think that a movement in any direction automatically means progression. It's foolish. It's the same logic that makes people believe that situations always better with time, not necessarily. This is why you often hear the dancers before us stating their concerns with the dance and culture at large. Who is to say that a half ass top rock into a full power set is advancing the dance? This is why many are calling for a return to the essence, start dancing again. .
@IamtheSamis How do I contradict myself? Isnt the essence what every true bboy strives for? Every bboy who has mastered the art has found his style and perfected it. In other words, he found himself and is able to express that self through the dance with his own unique movements. Individuality doesnt deny foundations because foundations are needed to find that individuality in the art and express it.
@IamtheSamis Power is just another way for bboys to express themselves. We see a bboy doing intricate floorwork with perfect execution while hitting the beat as art while someone else may just see it as someone rolling around on the floor. The same applies to power. You might see it as people throwing themselves around with no regard for footwork foundations; while some judges see art. What makes it all bboying is the attitude, culture, and individuality the dancer brings to battle.
@dudepal187 So how was Morgan Hamm's flares, windmills, and airfalres dancing? Simply because he was a human "expressing" himself or performing moves he qualifies as a dancer? I don't deny power & self expression is an integral part of the dance, but the execution of power or an expressive act alone isn't dancing and definitely is not bboying. Secondly no bboy has ever mastered the art, they're all students. Don't listen to me though, listen to the originators and see how your views match up. Pz
@IamtheSamis I could ask you why you keep writing me essays, and I already explained how you implied with your wording that powermoves arent dancing.
You keep twisting my words. Executing a move such a flare is no different than executing a moonwalk or a 3 step. Its all dancing, expressive movement. Whether or not one is expressing himself depends on the opinion of the dancer. However, I clearly said that Morgan is not a dancer, he is a gymnast and that is a sport that uses some dancing.
@dudepal187 The conflict here is the same as mostly every human disagreement. less about reality and more about ego. Not wanting to be incorrect. Dude, I'm just a student, I don't know everything about the dance, nor am I always correct. I do know an obvious fallacy when I come across it though. You already stated that Morgan Hamm's execution of flares, windmills, and air flares makes him a dancer. We just fundamentally have opposing views. . . The Freshest Kids would be a good watch, laters
@IamtheSamis This is what you're not getting about my views, I never said that Morgan is a dancer, and I never said that doing a freeze or flare makes you a bboy. Even though one IS dancing while doing those moves, that doesnt make them a dancer, and certainly not a bboy. I never once said otherwise. If you do a dance move, you ARE dancing, but if you want to actually be a bboy, or any type dancer, it takes more than just one type of move with no flavor. Some will even call bboying a lifestyle.
@dudepal187 Now you're making the argument that I have been making for about a week now. . . You stated that Morgan Hamm's execution of those moves was dancing because he was "expressing himself" (even though even he would disagree), and I strongly disagreed. I also never said that YOU said doing a freeze etc mad one a bboy, that was simply my arrangement to drive home my point that bboying is more than the simple execution of a move. It's the INTENT and APPROACH of how it's executed
@IamtheSamis "To me, the art of bboying clearly is individuality... The music is pretty much that blood pumping through your veins and its allowing you to release yourself." -Ken Swift
Bboys are allowed to take from and use anything they want to. Other than foundations, there are no set standards. You say dancing=dancing (obviously) but the definition of dance and bboying is so broad that to say a move like a flare isnt dancing is ridiculous.
@dudepal187 You're constantly contradicting yourself. Obviously individuality is at the essence of bboying, but to pretend that is ALL it's about leads one do deny that the dance has foundations. Something that you seem unwilling to acknowledge. You say the dance is all about individuality, but then state that is your set consist of all flips you're probably lose the battle. My question is why? . . I think the answer is very obvious.
@dudepal187 Seriously, why do you keep replying to me? I know you don't want honestly address it, but I think it's at the core of this all. I urge anyone actually reading through this debate to return to it's origins. He said Wing's 2000s + Wingmills = automatic win. I reply - Nah, how do tricks lead to and automatic when in bboying. . which is a dance? smh. After this he proceeded to go off and accused me of making the "power isn't bboying" argument (which I wasn't). You be the judge :P
@dudepal187 Also, why is it do you think it is that bboys often mock dancers who perform flips in the usual round off to tumble style without adding any flavor into their execution? Don't tell me you've never seen this before. . .
The answer is because a flip alone means nothing. If you can't add any flavor into it it's not bboying, and even if you add flavor into your execution of the move that move alone isn't a dance. We're done though, or at least I am. Give it a break and enjoy the video
@dudepal187 Exactly, a PART of the dance, not the dance itself. Anyway, what I find really humorous is how you don't see that you're exposing yourself. Initially you made a statement and I replied. Whether you disagree or not, for you to get so defensive over your comment that you claim was made in jest has to be questioned. If it's just a joke then why not let it rest, what are YOU trying to prove?
@dudepal187 Last but not least, stop trying to make yourself into a victim. Where are all these insults you're speaking of? I called you a character and a fan. If that truly offended you then I'm sorry.
Ironically the only really insult or profanity made was when YOU called me a "Smart Ass" simply because I said that 2000s and Wingmills don't an automatic win. So, are you ready to stop now? Ready to stop being a hypocrite?
@dudepal187 You - "Wing's 2000s + wingmills = automatic win".
Me - "Nah, not really. How do tricks lead to an automatic win in bboying. . . which is a dance? Smh".
Really, what's all the fuss about? Then you go on to say how you weren't serious, but follow it up with the pwr moves are just as much a part off bboying speech Dude, if you weren't serious why not just end it there. Why do you keep justifingy and rationalizing your original comment? If it was a joke then it isn't necessary
@dudepal187 In reality you're a character by definition. You were dead serious when you said "Wing's 2000s + wingmills = automatic win", and truth is if I agreed with you you probably would have proceeded to half step even further. But since I disagreed with you it's now to be taken as a joke. . . Ok fine (lol)
Get your facts straight. I never said power wasn't a part of the dance. All I did was disagree with your weak comment. Wing's 2000s + wingmills =/= automatic win
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iMO kolobok took this one!! check out my channel for some dope battles ya´ll
NPowah 5 months ago
Wing saw kolobok as someone who shouldnt be underestimated, so he went all out on that second set. Kolobok 2nd set was too fimble to crush wing. Though his first set was unique with great execution. Good battle. Kolobok could've made it far, just unlucky to face wing.
AdrenalineCr3w 6 months ago
those 2000s are ridiclous...
abesari29 8 months ago
lol kolobok is dope.. but hes unlucky to go head on with the ninja
itzraywhy 8 months ago
1st song: Lightheaded - In The Building, album of 2005 called Wrong Way.
sergeypikalov 11 months ago
plzzz the first musiiic
theredtwist 11 months ago
kolobok has some fresh ass shoes
xafricanbloodx37 1 year ago 2
haha the MC couldnt handle the awkwardness :P
THEpick13 1 year ago
1st song?
limitbreakervic 1 year ago
wings windmills< lmfao get ur moves straight
bkfamous420 1 year ago
@bkfamous420 the move where wing goes from babymills, to grabbing his feet. That's his own move and they're named wingmills. sick huh?
rubix0110 1 year ago
kolobok is unlucky, he's fucking good but always kicked by the ninja haha
PeinBboy 1 year ago
please send me someone song
TheBboyultimate 1 year ago
i love kolobok's style, very original moves
rafic4321 1 year ago
kolobok definitely should have won...
xafricanbloodx37 1 year ago
Those are Top9 Jan or someones windmills...
bboyjoonas 1 year ago
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xXdlskXx 1 year ago
i love the wingmills
STEPASAUR 1 year ago 4
i love kolobok 1st set
freakinbreakin 1 year ago
Kolobok is very original
shacker222 1 year ago
@shacker222 I agree, I like that he has his own moves and transitions. Certainly one of my new favorite bboys to watch and definitely on the come up.
Klos1ne 1 year ago
whats name song 1:50 pllleeaaazz???
bboydu60 1 year ago
uh.. 3 rounds would definitely be better 1st round goes 2 kolobok and then 2nd round is wing overall wing won because of koloboks crash. i really don't like wing hes not very humble he's very cocky
furiousgeo33 1 year ago
@furiousgeo33 cocky? thats part of the battle. you cant go in there actin like a bitch cause it will translate into your dancing. stfu
hobotechMASTER 1 year ago
@hobotechMASTER it's better 2 be humble than cocky
furiousgeo33 1 year ago
@hobotechMASTER you can battle without being cocky, just watch bboy toyz
PinoyPopper195 1 year ago
kolobok nice shoes!!:))))))))
mrbboyhawk1 1 year ago
@mrbboyhawk1 ahahahaha xD
vToNdKiNGz 1 year ago
first song??
bboysier 1 year ago
Anyone Second Track?
edwardjoe89 1 year ago
great battle
bboyuni21 1 year ago
last song preez
edwardjoe89 1 year ago
i'm surprised kolobok hasn't won anything big. he's always been very good. anyone who faces him in a tourney has to use their best moves.
kyo220022 1 year ago 3
@kyo220022 inorite? his moves are freakin original and dope
tpmoonwalker 1 year ago
@kyo220022 he's taken out lilou before. i think thats pretty fuckin huge
hobotechMASTER 1 year ago
kolobok vs cloud..
ohdude123 1 year ago
whats the second song ?
MrBreakYoFace 1 year ago
what name the first song please ???
killahkingz 1 year ago
"You say dancing=dancing (obviously) but the definition of dance and bboying is so broad that to say a move like a flare isn't dancing is ridiculous." -dudepal
Bboys took the flare and INTEGRATED this MOVE into the dance, but my argument is that the execution of the move alone =/= dancing. I believe that semantics are preventing us from understanding one another. Not saying that a using a flare in a set isn't dancing, but stating that the move alone doesn't equate to a dance hence↓
IamtheSamis 1 year ago
@IamtheSamis Expressing the individual is the most basic definition of what dance is, whether it is through executing individual moves or with a whole routine. I'll say it again, what makes bboying unique is the attitude, culture, and individuality the bboys bring to the circle. Someone can come out and execute moves, still be dancing, but if he is not artistic he will get little to no respect and lose the battle.
This is going nowhere, and now you're talking to readers? Really?
dudepal187 1 year ago
@dudepal187 You'll say it again? My whole argument thus far has maintained that the dance's essence is within the attitude, culture, approach, intent, and individuality. The base of your debate has shifted several times over. You are now making my argument for me. I already stated that a move alone is not dancing, but how one approaches said move is what makes one a dancer HENCE WHY WHEN YOU SAID MORGAN HAMM WAS DANCING I DISAGREED. One thing we can agree on is the lack of progression being made
IamtheSamis 1 year ago
@IamtheSamis Its your opinion that I "geeked out," I dont see how you can interpret any emotion coming through anything I've written.
Anyway, my argument hasnt changed at all, I've tried wording it differently but the message hasnt changed. Doing a dance move is dancing, doing that dance move(s) doesnt necessarily make one a dancer, and being a bboy means being artistic with whatever you choose to do. Where exactly is our disagreement?
BTW, Im continuing this because maybe I'll learn something.
dudepal187 1 year ago
@dudepal187 Scroll back to your initial reply to my original comment. You'd say that was a non emotional response? Ironically if you truly responded in a level headed and respectful manner this conversation would have ended a week ago.
Anyway, my major dispute with your ideology is your belief that the execution of a dance move is equivalent to actually dancing. If you came across someone doing an air baby, would you think to yourself, "Oh my! What a great dance(er)?
IamtheSamis 1 year ago
@IamtheSamis Theres really no emotion in anything I said.. Perhaps you saw what you wanted to see?
If I saw someone doing an air baby, I would consider it dancing, but I wouldnt be impressed until they incorporate that into a unique set with good flow. If someone was on the street doing just a 3 step would you say he is dancing? What if it was a moonwalk or a type of toprock? It couldnt be anything but dancing. Why is a powermove different?
dudepal187 1 year ago
@dudepal187 "Wing's 2000s + Wingmills = automatic win" -Dudepal187
"Nah, not really. How do tricks lead to an automatic win in bboying which is a dance? Smh" -Me "Obviously I wasnt serious smart ass, and pwrmoves are just as much a part of bboying as anything else, especially unique ones like wingmills. Plz dont start w/ that "tricks" bs" -Dudepal187
I don't know man. Seems like a pretty emotional response on your behalf all things considering. . .
IamtheSamis 1 year ago
@IamtheSamis More wrong assumptions I see. You're way off topic now dude..
dudepal187 1 year ago
@dudepal187 And yes, I'm telling anyone who is actually reading through all this nonsense to back track. Seriously, just think about it for a second. Was it really so far fetched for me to assume from your original comment that you weren't a typical youtube Wing fanatic? I didn't even come at you aggressively and you totally geeked out. You could have kept it moving or calmly explained yourself if you choose, but you went aggro and the rest is history. I didn't even diss you, I asked a simple ?
IamtheSamis 1 year ago
for me the winner is kolobok
gibbonBG 1 year ago
@gibbonBG hmm im not sure if kolobok should have won this one but he sure was fucking dope
baraka206 1 year ago
You're delusional. You can run through my entire argument from my initial comment and not once highlight where I even tried bringing the conversation into the arena of what defines the "Perfect Bboy". I just don't understand your type, the type that takes something with foundation / history and warps it to fit their ideology. Question, who said "bboying is ALL about individuality and expressing the art in your own way"? If such was true a dancer could do push - ups for his / her set ↓
IamtheSamis 1 year ago
hahahah red bull bc one all over again !!!!!!.....dang wings's wingmills are hella dope....wish i could learn them
lengthao5 1 year ago 14
@lengthao5 yup just like menno cant beat kolobok, kolobok cant beat wing hahaha
BBoyCharisma2010 1 year ago
@lengthao5 just get enough speed and when your about to bend your knees be sure to put them as close as possible and tuck your head inside....and just give yourself that extra push...you'll get it...i only got one spin down..
BboyMonstyle1990 10 months ago
if some one can list the songs to this battle that would be great thx
Broeham 1 year ago 21
@Broeham The first song is Lightheaded - In The Building
hbrasil 1 year ago 2
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whats 1st song name? PLZ
xyz78122 1 year ago
Wing's 2000s + wingmills = automatic win
dudepal187 1 year ago 2
@dudepal187 hahahha nice
rafaeltiradov 1 year ago
@dudepal187 Nah, not really. How do tricks lead to an automatic win in bboying. . . which is a dance? Smh
IamtheSamis 1 year ago
@IamtheSamis Obviously I wasnt serious smart ass -_-
And powermoves are just as much a part of bboying as anything else, especially unique ones like wingmills. Please dont start with that "tricks" bs.
dudepal187 1 year ago
@dudepal187 Yeah, sure you were. . .
IamtheSamis 1 year ago
@IamtheSamis Are you really going to argue with me over this? My point was that Wing's second set is a tough one to beat, the comment obviously wasnt meant to be taken seriously. Your whole criticism of me is based on assumptions..
You called the powermoves I mentioned tricks and worded it in a way that implied those moves are not dancing. Choose your words better next time.
dudepal187 1 year ago
@dudepal187 So I'm the one assuming, yet you said and I quote "And powermoves are just as much a part of bboying as anything else". I repeat, when did I say they weren't? Truth is you need to word yourself better. This was a dope showcase by both dancers and all you had to say for it was Wing's 2000s and Wingmills are an automatic Wing, but in your world that now translates to "Wing's second set is a tough one to beat". Think what you want, but 2000s aren't dancing, they're a move. . .
IamtheSamis 1 year ago
@IamtheSamis Yes, you assumed I was being serious and you assumed how I would act if you agreed. I already said you implied with your poor wording that powermoves werent dancing and now you just said 2000s arent dancing...
Im a fan of Wing and Jinjo crew more than I am of Kolobok and East Side Bboyz, so I chose to comment the way I want with my own humor. I dont really expect idiots like you to take it seriously and tell me my comment was "weak." Its one comment, get over it.
dudepal187 1 year ago
@dudepal187 Power moves aren't dancing, they're powermoves. They became a part of bboying, but a power move alone isn't anymore a part of the actual dance than a freeze is. Anyway, your commentary was weak. I'd tell you to take your own advice and get over it, but I'm in serious doubt that you could or would. You've been deeply offended since I made my first reply to you. It was barely two sentences long, but it seems to have struck a nerve. Keep being a fan, you're very good at it :)
IamtheSamis 1 year ago
@IamtheSamis Powermoves are dancing, they are just as much a form of self-expression as any other movement. If a 2000 is done on beat with a record scratch is that not dancing? Why should the definition different if the move doesnt necessarily match the music? My first response was a few sentences, everything you just said applies to you much more than me while everything I say applies directly to things you said.
There you go assuming things again, I appreciate the insults..
dudepal187 1 year ago
@dudepal187 I'm done debating you about bboying. People like yourself are always trying to contort the essence of this dance into what you want it to be or represent and not accepting it for what is is and was. It's a dance, the powermoves, freezes, and blowups came later. Anyway, don't listen to me. . . Listen to Ken Swift and try to learn something. Just search Ken Swift interview from Style Wars
IamtheSamis 1 year ago
@IamtheSamis Sure they came later, but they are now part of the dance. Why should anyone be able to tell a powermover they are not dancing? Not even Ken Swift denies powermoves as dancing. He just hates how media fails to show the artistry.
I called you a smart ass for being condescending and critical over a meaningless comment. Ugh, dont act like you werent insulting me, even if it was indirect. I dont know what you're still trying to prove but its getting old.
dudepal187 1 year ago
@dudepal187 Lastly, neither Ken Swift or myself denied that powermoves are part of the dance, but he clearly states what the ESSENCE of bboying is and I don't recall him listing powermoves. Bboying is a very unique dance with a ton of elements, but when dancers refer to the dancing aspect of bboying they are NOT referring to power, blowups, or freezes. This is clear as day if you'd just listen and stop trying to warp what they are saying. A 2000 alone is JUST a move. . . End of story, bro
IamtheSamis 1 year ago
@IamtheSamis Yes you did, "Power moves aren't dancing, they're powermoves." If someone performs one category of a dance then it is still dancing, and it is still dancing even when performing a single move. Ken Swift's interviews are irrelevant, and it depends which bboy you ask about that. Many will say powermoves are equally valued to the other elements.
Answering my question with the same question, good answer! I've already said everything, refer to previous comments or forget it, your choice.
dudepal187 1 year ago
@dudepal187 I totally stand buy that. A flare is just a flare, what makes it PART of the dance is how it's done, and even then. . . It's just a PART of the dance, not THE DANCE itself.
I can prove my point and disprove everything you're saying and believe with the following. You and anyone else interested can search "Morgan Hamm Airflare Debut". He flares, airflares, and windmills. So duepal, is Morgan Hamm a bboy or dancer? According to you he is because powermoves are dancing. . .
IamtheSamis 1 year ago
@IamtheSamis A part of the dance is still the dance, even by itself. Gymnasts do dance when they do airflares, they put together routines to music in the olympics. However gymnasts perform set pieces. They will transition from flare to airflare and then end in a split, they all look virtually the same. What makes bboys unique is that they tap into the artistry that dance has to offer and use it to express themselves, whether it is through mastering one category or a balance of many elements.
dudepal187 1 year ago
@dudepal187 We'll just have to agree to disagree. Personally I think you're reaching (very far). Also you're incorrect about gymnastics, when they judge floor routine they break the performance down into elements (or at least they used to). Dancing is all that ballerina like activity done to the music. Then they proceed to tumble and perform skills. But seriously, why are we debating this? Are you that upset that I disagree with you on something that you persist to say was only a joke.
IamtheSamis 1 year ago
@IamtheSamis If you want to describe gymnast's floor routine simply, its a short dance routine that is judged very technically on many levels. It may be very strict, heavy on stunts and powermoves, and there isnt a lot of room for innovation, but its dancing nonetheless. Rhythmic and technical movements to music is dancing, end of story.
Why do you insist on telling me Im upset? Thats not even relevant. Agreeing to disagree is fine with me, but why are you now going back to my original comment?
dudepal187 1 year ago
@dudepal187 Once again I must ask you to re-read. I've referred to your original comment on more than one occasion. I prognosis is that the only reason this discussion continues to play out is because you're attempting to draw attention away from your original commentary.
Lastly, you're kidding yourself if you truly believe a gymnastics floor routine to simply be just a dance. They break it up into elements. That Is why you can have a strong DANCING portion, but a poor tumbling section
IamtheSamis 1 year ago
@IamtheSamis We've been over my original comment -_-
The fact that it has tumbling sections and flips is irrelevant, it still fits the definition of a dance. Again, someone is dancing whilst doing an individual move, even for a second its still dancing. Of course bboys who do that will get mocked, bboying is all about individuality and expressing the art in your own way. We arent discussing what makes a perfect bboy, we are talking about what is defined as dance which you dont seem to get.
dudepal187 1 year ago
@dudepal187 and call him or herself a bboy / girl. Bboying is not ALL about self expression, start listening to the originators instead of creating your own theories about a dance that has already created it's own theories and has a history. If this dance was ALL and ONLY about individual expression then it wouldn't stress musicality, hitting beats, or moves in general. Flips =/= Dancing, Freezes =/= dancing, Flares =/= dancing. DANCING = DANCING and you integrate different elements into dance
IamtheSamis 1 year ago
@dudepal187 Look up this video entitled "POE ONE". He gives great insight on HIS views on bboying, but also a great analysis on the factual history and essence of the dance. Seriously, I'm not trying con conflict with you, I truly think it would give you an insight on what I'm saying. Facts are your views don't really coincide with the views of the originators of this dance. Just for a second stop and accept what bboying is. If you want to create something new the do it, but it wont be bboying
IamtheSamis 1 year ago
@IamtheSamis You act like I dont know who Poe One is... You seem close-minded. Bboying is constantly changes and reinventing itself. Freezes, blowups, and powermoves have become part of the dance so you have no good reason to tell me those moves are not dancing, and you certainly have no right to tell a bboy who is expressing himself through those moves that he is not dancing. A dancer COULD do all flips for his set and it will still be dancing, he will just lose if he does it that way.
dudepal187 1 year ago
@dudepal187 You obviously didn't listen to the interview then, He clearly stated that you can do a certain move and still not be a bboy or dancer. It's the approach and intent that makes that move a part of the dance. I know plenty of people that can flare and windmill who aren't dancers so to say that doing a move is equivalent to dancing is ridiculous. A freeze alone is just a freeze, knowing how to do one or doing one doesn't make you a bboy. Get your mind right man. . .
IamtheSamis 1 year ago
@dudepal187 People are quick to think that a movement in any direction automatically means progression. It's foolish. It's the same logic that makes people believe that situations always better with time, not necessarily. This is why you often hear the dancers before us stating their concerns with the dance and culture at large. Who is to say that a half ass top rock into a full power set is advancing the dance? This is why many are calling for a return to the essence, start dancing again. .
IamtheSamis 1 year ago
@IamtheSamis How do I contradict myself? Isnt the essence what every true bboy strives for? Every bboy who has mastered the art has found his style and perfected it. In other words, he found himself and is able to express that self through the dance with his own unique movements. Individuality doesnt deny foundations because foundations are needed to find that individuality in the art and express it.
dudepal187 1 year ago
@IamtheSamis Power is just another way for bboys to express themselves. We see a bboy doing intricate floorwork with perfect execution while hitting the beat as art while someone else may just see it as someone rolling around on the floor. The same applies to power. You might see it as people throwing themselves around with no regard for footwork foundations; while some judges see art. What makes it all bboying is the attitude, culture, and individuality the dancer brings to battle.
dudepal187 1 year ago
@dudepal187 So how was Morgan Hamm's flares, windmills, and airfalres dancing? Simply because he was a human "expressing" himself or performing moves he qualifies as a dancer? I don't deny power & self expression is an integral part of the dance, but the execution of power or an expressive act alone isn't dancing and definitely is not bboying. Secondly no bboy has ever mastered the art, they're all students. Don't listen to me though, listen to the originators and see how your views match up. Pz
IamtheSamis 1 year ago
@IamtheSamis I could ask you why you keep writing me essays, and I already explained how you implied with your wording that powermoves arent dancing.
You keep twisting my words. Executing a move such a flare is no different than executing a moonwalk or a 3 step. Its all dancing, expressive movement. Whether or not one is expressing himself depends on the opinion of the dancer. However, I clearly said that Morgan is not a dancer, he is a gymnast and that is a sport that uses some dancing.
dudepal187 1 year ago
@dudepal187 The conflict here is the same as mostly every human disagreement. less about reality and more about ego. Not wanting to be incorrect. Dude, I'm just a student, I don't know everything about the dance, nor am I always correct. I do know an obvious fallacy when I come across it though. You already stated that Morgan Hamm's execution of flares, windmills, and air flares makes him a dancer. We just fundamentally have opposing views. . . The Freshest Kids would be a good watch, laters
IamtheSamis 1 year ago
@IamtheSamis This is what you're not getting about my views, I never said that Morgan is a dancer, and I never said that doing a freeze or flare makes you a bboy. Even though one IS dancing while doing those moves, that doesnt make them a dancer, and certainly not a bboy. I never once said otherwise. If you do a dance move, you ARE dancing, but if you want to actually be a bboy, or any type dancer, it takes more than just one type of move with no flavor. Some will even call bboying a lifestyle.
dudepal187 1 year ago
@dudepal187 Now you're making the argument that I have been making for about a week now. . . You stated that Morgan Hamm's execution of those moves was dancing because he was "expressing himself" (even though even he would disagree), and I strongly disagreed. I also never said that YOU said doing a freeze etc mad one a bboy, that was simply my arrangement to drive home my point that bboying is more than the simple execution of a move. It's the INTENT and APPROACH of how it's executed
IamtheSamis 1 year ago
@IamtheSamis "To me, the art of bboying clearly is individuality... The music is pretty much that blood pumping through your veins and its allowing you to release yourself." -Ken Swift
Bboys are allowed to take from and use anything they want to. Other than foundations, there are no set standards. You say dancing=dancing (obviously) but the definition of dance and bboying is so broad that to say a move like a flare isnt dancing is ridiculous.
dudepal187 1 year ago
@dudepal187 You're constantly contradicting yourself. Obviously individuality is at the essence of bboying, but to pretend that is ALL it's about leads one do deny that the dance has foundations. Something that you seem unwilling to acknowledge. You say the dance is all about individuality, but then state that is your set consist of all flips you're probably lose the battle. My question is why? . . I think the answer is very obvious.
IamtheSamis 1 year ago
@dudepal187 Seriously, why do you keep replying to me? I know you don't want honestly address it, but I think it's at the core of this all. I urge anyone actually reading through this debate to return to it's origins. He said Wing's 2000s + Wingmills = automatic win. I reply - Nah, how do tricks lead to and automatic when in bboying. . which is a dance? smh. After this he proceeded to go off and accused me of making the "power isn't bboying" argument (which I wasn't). You be the judge :P
IamtheSamis 1 year ago
@dudepal187 Also, why is it do you think it is that bboys often mock dancers who perform flips in the usual round off to tumble style without adding any flavor into their execution? Don't tell me you've never seen this before. . .
The answer is because a flip alone means nothing. If you can't add any flavor into it it's not bboying, and even if you add flavor into your execution of the move that move alone isn't a dance. We're done though, or at least I am. Give it a break and enjoy the video
IamtheSamis 1 year ago
@dudepal187 Exactly, a PART of the dance, not the dance itself. Anyway, what I find really humorous is how you don't see that you're exposing yourself. Initially you made a statement and I replied. Whether you disagree or not, for you to get so defensive over your comment that you claim was made in jest has to be questioned. If it's just a joke then why not let it rest, what are YOU trying to prove?
IamtheSamis 1 year ago
@dudepal187 Last but not least, stop trying to make yourself into a victim. Where are all these insults you're speaking of? I called you a character and a fan. If that truly offended you then I'm sorry.
Ironically the only really insult or profanity made was when YOU called me a "Smart Ass" simply because I said that 2000s and Wingmills don't an automatic win. So, are you ready to stop now? Ready to stop being a hypocrite?
IamtheSamis 1 year ago
@dudepal187 You - "Wing's 2000s + wingmills = automatic win".
Me - "Nah, not really. How do tricks lead to an automatic win in bboying. . . which is a dance? Smh".
Really, what's all the fuss about? Then you go on to say how you weren't serious, but follow it up with the pwr moves are just as much a part off bboying speech Dude, if you weren't serious why not just end it there. Why do you keep justifingy and rationalizing your original comment? If it was a joke then it isn't necessary
IamtheSamis 1 year ago
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@dudepal187 In reality you're a character by definition. You were dead serious when you said "Wing's 2000s + wingmills = automatic win", and truth is if I agreed with you you probably would have proceeded to half step even further. But since I disagreed with you it's now to be taken as a joke. . . Ok fine (lol)
Get your facts straight. I never said power wasn't a part of the dance. All I did was disagree with your weak comment. Wing's 2000s + wingmills =/= automatic win
IamtheSamis 1 year ago
1:28
the funniest move ever
wbonsai 1 year ago
OOOU SHET!!!
wingmills
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Derlhysbreak 1 year ago 2
kolobok should work on his tops
furiousgeo33 1 year ago
kolobok should work on his tops
furiousgeo33 1 year ago
1:41 plss song name
TheBboyultimate 1 year ago
2nd song is on dj jebels on straight forward mixtape first part, it's on youtube...
sweetthai 1 year ago 2
@sweetthai Thank you
Dejuze2 1 year ago
1st song please
cumiricaca 1 year ago
song ?
breakdancewesley 1 year ago
What s the name of the 2nd song?
Dejuze2 1 year ago
@Dejuze2 name of song : all good funk alliance - stilled life
bboyflubb 1 year ago 4
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Dejuze2 1 year ago
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xJoeEdgex 1 year ago
whats 1st song
supitssamie 1 year ago
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TheCodeGin 1 year ago