that civic got smoked....OOOOOOOooooh. Wow way to beat him like 20x. After the first time you beat him the way you did you should've just turned off and found something else to race. But I guess bashing the poorly modded Si was fun, eh?
we are talking about a different video you fucking idiot. clearly it's complex for you to understand that i was replying to metalhead2016's post. metalhead2016 has a video posted of an R18 vs. a GTI.
hahaha its not a drivers race well on the civic si s part you better be good you could have a moron driving the gti and you would still win stock for stock GTI is faster period end of story if you dont believe me look at my videos i raced one 2 days ago i felt bad because not only did i leave the traction control on i barely launched and i destroyed it
hahaha are you joking? that's anr18 (non-si) in your videos. no si badge up front, non-si seats/interior, no si wheels and no DOHC VTEC sticker on the sideskirts. fail.
how the fuck can you see the seats its dark and theres ppl in em, it has aftermarket rims, and i know plenty of SI that take the stickers off and badgless grilles how can you tell?
@mikethebeast1012 everyone keeps misreading that fucking comment. youtube is dumb. it was directed @ metalhead2016, he had posted a video of him racing an "si" that was clearly an r18, blue gauges, LX rims and all. he removed it after getting shit for it non-stop in the comments. it's obviously an si in this video though, no surprise it got left in the dust. can't do much without factory boost :(
Stock on stock is definitely drivers race.... even if your pussyfooting a DSG. No offense. It's all about shift times, not about actually driving your car anymore. I appreciate the technology thats involved with these automated transmissions, but it's extremely pathetic.
F1 cars use a much stronger form of DSG so to talk shit on DSGs is stupid, its everything a manual wishes it could be, sorry it'll be 10+ yrs before honda makes something like it but its fact
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I'm not talking shit on the DSG, I'm talking shit on the morals behind them. It's a great transmission, but it's not the driver doing the work. Most car enthusiast will tell you that shifting with a manual is the best, even if it takes another second, at least YOU are actually doing the work. Im sorry, but people are lazy.
true but in that case your LSD, traction control are also to blame for the same shit. its not that im lazy that i have one, it allows me to do other things while im driving and when i want flip it into manual mode and do everything a manual can. mostly its a day to day convenience thing seeing as how its my daily driver. if all you are looking for is to feel 1 with your car than get an 80s air cooled Porsche, otherwise you are nowhere close
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I can turn the traction control off. And you can't make it manual... You can control shift points, that's it. As far as convienence is concerned, you're right it's great. I drive paddle shift TL's at work. But I don't drive for convienence, I drive because I absolutely love it. Shifting is a part of that passion. More human than machine. I get more pride when I shave a ten second off my time or maintain car balance when downshifting. It's a preference man... We all have them
i guess i see where youre coming from however DSG is not like a paddle shift TL lol. i also love driving which is why i went with the GTI and not the TDI i originally was looking at. but as you said its preference. but fact is driving youre si is NOT proving shit, again you need an old Porsche to make any claims that bold
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Well the TL has the general idea. And I have to ask why an old Porsche is the only way to experience shifting? My car doesn't shift itself and if you don't do it right, you can grind, miss, or pop out of a gear. Sounds like a manual to me haha. VW has made some of the worse transmissions out there, besides the DSG which has been recalled already.
anyone can put paddle shifters on an automatic trany (and almost everyone has), to put the DSG in the automatic group is to prove your ignorance about cars, the only company to have anything like it is Ferrari and the VW DSG is still faster. i wish my DSG was recalled, do some research the recall was a sensor, which was replaced free of charge AND extended power-train warranty up to 10yr/100,000mi i wish i got that, no other company handles recals like that by giving you a bonus.
to continue what tranys are you speaking of i have owned 3 VW all from different time periods and never had any problems or read any except the DSG recall (again i wish mine had). as far as the old porsches, before you were talking about the "driving experience" not the "shifting experience" in this case 2 feel 1 with your car you cant be in anything modern the only time ive ever felt this was in an old air cooled porsche a car you only drive @ the track because on roads it would beat you 2 hell
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The DSG is slow to downshift and rough in everyday driving. I've driven one before. My point is, anyone can drive a VW with a DSG. Good for sales, but it doesn't make the driver any more of a driver. Just an average guy using little plastic paddles. Driving experience and shifting experience are the same thing to me, it's all a part of the package. Good luck with the VW, I'll still beat you on the track!
well the DSG you drove must have been beat on because it is not rough at all, i have never read a single REPUTABLE review that says anything about rough driving or slow down shift. actually its nice because when cruising in D some asshole showing off pulls up next to you just put your foot down and the DSG handles everything, true IM not doing as much work but ive said it before unless youre driving an air cooled porshce dont even start to talk about the great "driving experience"
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Heres a quote from Motortrend on the 10' GTI: "The DSG tranny, though basically superlative, isn't all shifts and sweetness. Ed again: "The DSG is great in S mode; in D it feels a bit slow to downshift, laggy." And Todd Lassa: "I don't like the way the DSG automatically upshifts at highway speeds, no matter what mode you're in. Launching softly in first gear, it sometimes feels like I'm flubbing a clutch pedal."
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You made my point... "DSG handles everything". Not you buddy. I highly doubt that only an old Porsche is the way to drive haha And considering that the new Civic was used to win the Koni Grand Am ST championship... I would say that the Civic is a good way to experience driving. But enough with the bias comments... enjoy your VW :)
i meant what i said, it does take over where my admitably sub-par shifting skills would fail me, however thats how i prefer it, the civic that won that race i highly doubt was anywhere near stock, and im willing to bet race car drivers will agree that new cars come nowhere near the old days of racing.
I'll end the debate with this: Them Civic's were modified, of course. Just like every other car there. And that event included a lot of different manufacturers... including VW. The old days were the best, no strict regulations and the cars were not advanced, it was a blast to watch. But driving them was not. The new cars go faster, turn harder, and drive nicer. Everything a racer would want!
i drive an 06 GTI and i absolutely love it, no other car has the mix of quality build, speed, and fuel economy that it does, i drove an Si, ms3, and turbo baltSS. they were all cheap feeling, and GTI had the best fuel economy
you mean like lambos with dsg and porsches with dsg and paddles your saying that those are easy to drive cause there autos. your and idiot. I love my dsg gti. I autocross, I leave it in sport mode and that leaves me with both hands on the wheel i lap better then some z06, vipers, and nsx's at the track. but then again i also have 2500 bucks in suspension upgrades
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@tophercantellus i agree completely. there's no question that dual-clutch gear boxes are the way of the future. too bad they just can't match the feeling of nailing a down downshift or heel-toeing on a turnpike. boring.
How is GIACs DSG flash? I heard that its really harsh when driving, I cant say from experience though. I also heard that it makes DSG hard engage when switching at low gears
NOT TRUE: I own a 1.8 GTI with the GIAC 215hp 93-octane program and with it the GTI really comes to life. No parts to break or adjust, 100% totally streetable and believe it or nor, more ECONOMICAL than the factory 180hp tune. Go for it. You won't regret it.
The only people who could say that over 235 lb-ft of torque at lofty 2,200 rpms is "harsh" are Honda ricers that think their glamored VTEC's extra 8.5hp (no torque) past 6,000rpms "is da shit". ;-)
si vs gti really depends on the driver.. both cars are not that fast its fun to drive cars. BUT.. i believe in this vid.. GTi is way more modded than the Si.. stock to stock it really depends on the driver..
I agree 100% going in we both knew i had an advantage. we both did it in good fun. stock vs stock it be really close, but i might give the advantage to the gti if its dsg. theirs a neat video about dsg vs. manual. its got that japanese drift king or whatever. i guess hes one of the fastes shifters in the world. check it out!
@mreyes14404 That video blows cock. The only reason he lost was because he can't launch a FWD car for shit. Had they eliminated the potential of driver error by doing a roll race instead of a dig race...I can guarantee you that the results would have been dead even between DSG and standard.
OK THAT Si ONLY HAS INTAKE NOTHING ELSE AND LOOK AT ALL THE MODS THE GTI HAS SO DNT TRY TO COMPARE THAT TO ANYTHING...STOCK VS STOCK Si IS ALWAYS GONNA WIN
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ummm the Si brings 197hp and 143 torque and weighs lighter than the GTI and is quicker than it and on top end ok but boost lag on gti all day and wont give it to the GTI ive raced idk how many GTI's wit so many mods and me i/h/e 75 shot and GTI wit every bolt on and i still beat it
torque is only good for low end. u arent going anywhere without hp. and the civic has 197 hp @7200RPM. its peak torque doesnt hit till vtec which is why its good from a roll. from a dig the torque gives the gti an advantage tho. both very fine cars. i just prefer the n/a of the SI as oppose to a turbo car making 200hp.
no its not. i own an 06 civic SI. it has 197 hp and its peak torque is 139ft/lbs (130 to the wheels) its torque peak is during vtec (5800 rpms to redline which is 8500) vtec is where this car makes all its power and it will pull hard until the redline, the high rpms is what makes the car quicker than what its numbers say.
na na na nah, i said 93 tune!!! i have injen intake, neuspeed pulleys, neuspeed intercoolerdischarge pipes, atp 3inch catless downpipe, revision g DV(stock, but better) and APR2 91 octane tune. and with this setup, i have beaten gto, camaros watch my vids all the gti's are mine.
word?! nice. i dont really race much cause i hate the feel of loosing! lol. and then i feel like i need to spend more money on the car to make it faster. i hate gettin bit by the MOD BUG. theirs no cure for it yet ha
man i have the same setup, except the pcv, and 93 tune, i can tell you right now they are pretty quick cars for the money, the setup that you have makes your car faster than a 335, 350, camaro ss, charger srt8 i know this becasue mine is
the new si's dont have kpro. and the si with 197 hp with 141 tq and the gti with 200 hp and 207 tq not really even even if the si was moded then again its all on the driver.
1:50 " i woulda took that turn like a man" hahaha but you didnt i woulda been rippin it around that turn takin up both lanes
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mike965311 6 months ago
Civic SI = Laughing stock
Turbalt 7 months ago
I love when Civics get caught on video cheating AND losing anyway! Twice!
"VTEC just kicked in, yo!" ha!
flurry 8 months ago
lmaooo typical honda pussies gotta jump when they know they have no shot....
RangerFanatics 11 months ago
si for the win all day all time love honda
kompleti 1 year ago
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NextGenH4X 1 year ago
that civic got smoked....OOOOOOOooooh. Wow way to beat him like 20x. After the first time you beat him the way you did you should've just turned off and found something else to race. But I guess bashing the poorly modded Si was fun, eh?
skimoholic 2 years ago
the si jumped both times and GTI still OWNED!
mikethebeast1012 2 years ago
we are talking about a different video you fucking idiot. clearly it's complex for you to understand that i was replying to metalhead2016's post. metalhead2016 has a video posted of an R18 vs. a GTI.
the car in this video is clearly an si.
k20Tuner08 2 years ago
hahaha its not a drivers race well on the civic si s part you better be good you could have a moron driving the gti and you would still win stock for stock GTI is faster period end of story if you dont believe me look at my videos i raced one 2 days ago i felt bad because not only did i leave the traction control on i barely launched and i destroyed it
metalhead2016 2 years ago 8
hahaha are you joking? that's anr18 (non-si) in your videos. no si badge up front, non-si seats/interior, no si wheels and no DOHC VTEC sticker on the sideskirts. fail.
k20Tuner08 2 years ago
Agreed, it is absolutely an FG1 Civic with an R18 (NOT an Si) R18 = no i-VTEC and only 140hp...
...go APR never had a problem with it on my candy white MK5 before i sold it, or any of my MK4 1.8T's...
ROPcivicSi 2 years ago
how the fuck can you see the seats its dark and theres ppl in em, it has aftermarket rims, and i know plenty of SI that take the stickers off and badgless grilles how can you tell?
mikethebeast1012 2 years ago
@mikethebeast1012 everyone keeps misreading that fucking comment. youtube is dumb. it was directed @ metalhead2016, he had posted a video of him racing an "si" that was clearly an r18, blue gauges, LX rims and all. he removed it after getting shit for it non-stop in the comments. it's obviously an si in this video though, no surprise it got left in the dust. can't do much without factory boost :(
k20Tuner08 2 years ago
Stock on stock is definitely drivers race.... even if your pussyfooting a DSG. No offense. It's all about shift times, not about actually driving your car anymore. I appreciate the technology thats involved with these automated transmissions, but it's extremely pathetic.
tophercantellus 2 years ago
F1 cars use a much stronger form of DSG so to talk shit on DSGs is stupid, its everything a manual wishes it could be, sorry it'll be 10+ yrs before honda makes something like it but its fact
mikethebeast1012 2 years ago
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I'm not talking shit on the DSG, I'm talking shit on the morals behind them. It's a great transmission, but it's not the driver doing the work. Most car enthusiast will tell you that shifting with a manual is the best, even if it takes another second, at least YOU are actually doing the work. Im sorry, but people are lazy.
tophercantellus 2 years ago
true but in that case your LSD, traction control are also to blame for the same shit. its not that im lazy that i have one, it allows me to do other things while im driving and when i want flip it into manual mode and do everything a manual can. mostly its a day to day convenience thing seeing as how its my daily driver. if all you are looking for is to feel 1 with your car than get an 80s air cooled Porsche, otherwise you are nowhere close
mikethebeast1012 2 years ago
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I can turn the traction control off. And you can't make it manual... You can control shift points, that's it. As far as convienence is concerned, you're right it's great. I drive paddle shift TL's at work. But I don't drive for convienence, I drive because I absolutely love it. Shifting is a part of that passion. More human than machine. I get more pride when I shave a ten second off my time or maintain car balance when downshifting. It's a preference man... We all have them
tophercantellus 2 years ago
i guess i see where youre coming from however DSG is not like a paddle shift TL lol. i also love driving which is why i went with the GTI and not the TDI i originally was looking at. but as you said its preference. but fact is driving youre si is NOT proving shit, again you need an old Porsche to make any claims that bold
mikethebeast1012 2 years ago 2
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Well the TL has the general idea. And I have to ask why an old Porsche is the only way to experience shifting? My car doesn't shift itself and if you don't do it right, you can grind, miss, or pop out of a gear. Sounds like a manual to me haha. VW has made some of the worse transmissions out there, besides the DSG which has been recalled already.
tophercantellus 2 years ago
anyone can put paddle shifters on an automatic trany (and almost everyone has), to put the DSG in the automatic group is to prove your ignorance about cars, the only company to have anything like it is Ferrari and the VW DSG is still faster. i wish my DSG was recalled, do some research the recall was a sensor, which was replaced free of charge AND extended power-train warranty up to 10yr/100,000mi i wish i got that, no other company handles recals like that by giving you a bonus.
mikethebeast1012 2 years ago 3
to continue what tranys are you speaking of i have owned 3 VW all from different time periods and never had any problems or read any except the DSG recall (again i wish mine had). as far as the old porsches, before you were talking about the "driving experience" not the "shifting experience" in this case 2 feel 1 with your car you cant be in anything modern the only time ive ever felt this was in an old air cooled porsche a car you only drive @ the track because on roads it would beat you 2 hell
mikethebeast1012 2 years ago 3
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The DSG is slow to downshift and rough in everyday driving. I've driven one before. My point is, anyone can drive a VW with a DSG. Good for sales, but it doesn't make the driver any more of a driver. Just an average guy using little plastic paddles. Driving experience and shifting experience are the same thing to me, it's all a part of the package. Good luck with the VW, I'll still beat you on the track!
tophercantellus 2 years ago
well the DSG you drove must have been beat on because it is not rough at all, i have never read a single REPUTABLE review that says anything about rough driving or slow down shift. actually its nice because when cruising in D some asshole showing off pulls up next to you just put your foot down and the DSG handles everything, true IM not doing as much work but ive said it before unless youre driving an air cooled porshce dont even start to talk about the great "driving experience"
mikethebeast1012 2 years ago 3
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Heres a quote from Motortrend on the 10' GTI: "The DSG tranny, though basically superlative, isn't all shifts and sweetness. Ed again: "The DSG is great in S mode; in D it feels a bit slow to downshift, laggy." And Todd Lassa: "I don't like the way the DSG automatically upshifts at highway speeds, no matter what mode you're in. Launching softly in first gear, it sometimes feels like I'm flubbing a clutch pedal."
tophercantellus 2 years ago
and i would love to race you ive got 5k about to go into my car
mikethebeast1012 2 years ago
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You made my point... "DSG handles everything". Not you buddy. I highly doubt that only an old Porsche is the way to drive haha And considering that the new Civic was used to win the Koni Grand Am ST championship... I would say that the Civic is a good way to experience driving. But enough with the bias comments... enjoy your VW :)
tophercantellus 2 years ago
i meant what i said, it does take over where my admitably sub-par shifting skills would fail me, however thats how i prefer it, the civic that won that race i highly doubt was anywhere near stock, and im willing to bet race car drivers will agree that new cars come nowhere near the old days of racing.
mikethebeast1012 2 years ago 2
I'll end the debate with this: Them Civic's were modified, of course. Just like every other car there. And that event included a lot of different manufacturers... including VW. The old days were the best, no strict regulations and the cars were not advanced, it was a blast to watch. But driving them was not. The new cars go faster, turn harder, and drive nicer. Everything a racer would want!
tophercantellus 2 years ago
whats your car
ageahel 2 years ago
i drive an 06 GTI and i absolutely love it, no other car has the mix of quality build, speed, and fuel economy that it does, i drove an Si, ms3, and turbo baltSS. they were all cheap feeling, and GTI had the best fuel economy
mikethebeast1012 2 years ago
you mean like lambos with dsg and porsches with dsg and paddles your saying that those are easy to drive cause there autos. your and idiot. I love my dsg gti. I autocross, I leave it in sport mode and that leaves me with both hands on the wheel i lap better then some z06, vipers, and nsx's at the track. but then again i also have 2500 bucks in suspension upgrades
1983mstr 1 year ago
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@tophercantellus i agree completely. there's no question that dual-clutch gear boxes are the way of the future. too bad they just can't match the feeling of nailing a down downshift or heel-toeing on a turnpike. boring.
k20Tuner08 2 years ago
How is GIACs DSG flash? I heard that its really harsh when driving, I cant say from experience though. I also heard that it makes DSG hard engage when switching at low gears
WaZzAp11010 2 years ago
its nice and aggresive when in sport mode.but when in D mode it tends to lag and stutter a bit. no worries, i always drive in manual mode ;)
mreyes14404 2 years ago
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NOT TRUE: I own a 1.8 GTI with the GIAC 215hp 93-octane program and with it the GTI really comes to life. No parts to break or adjust, 100% totally streetable and believe it or nor, more ECONOMICAL than the factory 180hp tune. Go for it. You won't regret it.
The only people who could say that over 235 lb-ft of torque at lofty 2,200 rpms is "harsh" are Honda ricers that think their glamored VTEC's extra 8.5hp (no torque) past 6,000rpms "is da shit". ;-)
flurry 8 months ago
si vs gti really depends on the driver.. both cars are not that fast its fun to drive cars. BUT.. i believe in this vid.. GTi is way more modded than the Si.. stock to stock it really depends on the driver..
johnpark219 2 years ago
I agree 100% going in we both knew i had an advantage. we both did it in good fun. stock vs stock it be really close, but i might give the advantage to the gti if its dsg. theirs a neat video about dsg vs. manual. its got that japanese drift king or whatever. i guess hes one of the fastes shifters in the world. check it out!
mreyes14404 2 years ago
@mreyes14404 That video blows cock. The only reason he lost was because he can't launch a FWD car for shit. Had they eliminated the potential of driver error by doing a roll race instead of a dig race...I can guarantee you that the results would have been dead even between DSG and standard.
idiotfieldmouse 1 year ago
@mreyes14404 the gti is a lot faster at high speeds
bullmore345 10 months ago
@johnpark219 : Gti is the winner here. I own a 07 Ciivic sedan Si and I wouldn't want to race a GTi for pinks.
All of these videos are fun to watch. I love it. So, boys and girls keep 'em coming.
falcon2160 10 months ago
Both these cars are slow in a straight line. Get over it. They were built to be fun/affordable not fast!
1995boy 2 years ago
GTI = God Tested It
SI = Satan's Invention
BryanHectic 2 years ago 3
GTI>SI all day everyday...
fuckingbrandon 2 years ago 15
and besides ive have a gti and i never had any boost lag it pulls strong untill you let off the gas...
dodgeviper500hp 2 years ago 5
OK THAT Si ONLY HAS INTAKE NOTHING ELSE AND LOOK AT ALL THE MODS THE GTI HAS SO DNT TRY TO COMPARE THAT TO ANYTHING...STOCK VS STOCK Si IS ALWAYS GONNA WIN
albysilk0489 2 years ago
You do realize that the stock GTI has 200hp@5500RPM/207 lbs of tourque @1800RPM vs. Civic with 190 HP @ 7200RPM and a sad 140 lbs of torque.
mreyes14404 2 years ago
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ummm the Si brings 197hp and 143 torque and weighs lighter than the GTI and is quicker than it and on top end ok but boost lag on gti all day and wont give it to the GTI ive raced idk how many GTI's wit so many mods and me i/h/e 75 shot and GTI wit every bolt on and i still beat it
so GTI fails and the Si wins
albysilk0489 2 years ago
Boost lag?..... man were are you finding all this nonsense! you do realize tourque wins races right? GTI 202FtLBS@ 1800!!
Civic 143???? its not that much lighter bro. cmon man.
mreyes14404 2 years ago
the GTIs have virtually NO turbo lag, torque is available from 1800rpm up
mikethebeast1012 2 years ago
torque is only good for low end. u arent going anywhere without hp. and the civic has 197 hp @7200RPM. its peak torque doesnt hit till vtec which is why its good from a roll. from a dig the torque gives the gti an advantage tho. both very fine cars. i just prefer the n/a of the SI as oppose to a turbo car making 200hp.
Dart00Z 2 years ago
ur numbers are kind of off the SI gets 200hp@8000rpms vtech kicks in at 6000 u can redline to 8500 not sure if u get anything extra but i doubt it
fuzzy1119 2 years ago
no its not. i own an 06 civic SI. it has 197 hp and its peak torque is 139ft/lbs (130 to the wheels) its torque peak is during vtec (5800 rpms to redline which is 8500) vtec is where this car makes all its power and it will pull hard until the redline, the high rpms is what makes the car quicker than what its numbers say.
Dart00Z 2 years ago
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Run ur GTI vs my car and lets see who wins
albysilk0489 2 years ago
Greatest responce ever.
mreyes14404 2 years ago 2
the modded bug only took off fast i took him at the end! and i agree no one like loosing but blv me when you win all the time that also gets boaring!
HAROGTI 2 years ago 4
na na na nah, i said 93 tune!!! i have injen intake, neuspeed pulleys, neuspeed intercoolerdischarge pipes, atp 3inch catless downpipe, revision g DV(stock, but better) and APR2 91 octane tune. and with this setup, i have beaten gto, camaros watch my vids all the gti's are mine.
HAROGTI 2 years ago 4
word?! nice. i dont really race much cause i hate the feel of loosing! lol. and then i feel like i need to spend more money on the car to make it faster. i hate gettin bit by the MOD BUG. theirs no cure for it yet ha
mreyes14404 2 years ago
man i have the same setup, except the pcv, and 93 tune, i can tell you right now they are pretty quick cars for the money, the setup that you have makes your car faster than a 335, 350, camaro ss, charger srt8 i know this becasue mine is
HAROGTI 2 years ago 4
aww man even if the civic had a race header and kpro it would still get stomped on, props to the Gti
stage 2 for life
hyes2k 2 years ago 5
the new si's dont have kpro. and the si with 197 hp with 141 tq and the gti with 200 hp and 207 tq not really even even if the si was moded then again its all on the driver.
FIJIFA5 2 years ago
we knew going in it wasnt gonna be a even matched race. but it was still fun.
unsafe, but fun...
mreyes14404 2 years ago
hes's fucking def
chasesniper81 2 years ago