SOUND BIBLICAL TEACHING ON THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH - 15

[thechessstick]

The rapture is pre-wrath not pre-tribulation.

[ieatstuffoffthefloor]

51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

Behold: we will ALL be changed, at the last trumpet. The last trumpet does not occur until just before God's wrath! There is no pre-tribulation 'rapture.'

[moniquemonicat]

IF GOD WILL SUFFER HIS OWN SON JESUS CHRIST TO SUFFER AND DIE ON THE CROSS for the kingdom of God, He will certainly suffer those who are called to be lights in the midst of darkness to burn bright in the face of persecution and DEATH.

[rossdaboss1959]

@moniquemonicat Where in the Bible does it says, God wants u to suffer n be killed for Christ in order to make heaven? Jesus said, it is finished. Jesus wants u to live for him now. During the tribulation u will have to die for him. U can't work to go to heaven, remember? U can't stand before God n say, i deserve to go to heaven, because i suffered for u Lord. There's nothing u can do like that to deserve to go. Acts 2:38 is God's plan, Obedience. Holy life!

[hector771000]

Read Daniel 7: 19-28

the FOURTH and final kingdom of MAN on earth. You must read it open mindedly and not with a grudge because you believe what you believe? Read to understand what is truth. there is no scriptural, factual evidence about a church being saved before tribulation, however it is true they will be saved from the WRATH OF ALMIGHTY GOD!

[hector771000]

you see, he will have vistory over the saints in the beginning and THEN will God's wrath come on him. this is clearly matching up with the 5th seal martyred believers the 6th seal is the DAY OF THE LORD (terrible in some places) dark sun and moon (joel3) then His wrath is poured out this will take some time which you can see are the trumpets and vials of God's WRATH not tribulation which is but for a moment

[hector771000]

21As I watched, this horn was waging war against the saints and defeating them, 22until the Ancient of Days came and pronounced judgment in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came when they possessed the kingdom

[hector771000]

continued..

Israel was still in Egypt when the Wrath of God brought plagues and death to the egyptian children. It wasn't until after those things took affect that God brought israel to the wilderness. the same happend with Noah, he had to build the ark and then was still in the ark safe and dry while the wrath of God was poured out in the flood on evil doers. 150 days later Noah came out on dry land with his family. "It will be like the days of Noah"

[hector771000]

continued..

TRIBULATION and WRATH are two different things. Tribulation is not from God's doing, it is from the earth and the seals, however the Wrath of God is directly on the NON believers and the ones who take the mark, which is after the beheaded numbers. Who is the great number out of the tribulation mentioned in Rev 7? there is no identity of any pre trib believer. Also daniel 9 cannot be understood unless you read Daniel 12

[rossdaboss1959]

@hector771000 Don't be blind. U have to understand prophecy from Daniel too. Daniel prayed for HIS PEOPLE, not the church. Wake up! Israel is not the church. Noah was in the ark above God's wrath. Lot was above God's wrath. Why would God take Noah out of the world? U wouldn't be here if he did. Come on think! There's no time to guest on this subject. DON"T MISS THE RAPTURE. Listen. Acts 2:38.

[hector771000]

continued...

these beheaded ones are actually still on earth during the antichrist in order to be beheaded and they still reign with christ 1000 years (these are the only ones that reign with him + 24 elders) so the time line this minister is mentioning is not completely accurate.

Now the church is no longer used but "SAINTS" they are not called the bride. the wrath of God does not come until AFTER THE SIXTH SEAL which goes into SEVENTH seal

[hector771000]

in 10:26 says who will populate the millinium? rev 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been "beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God."

They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and "reigned with Christ a thousand years."

[rkg62976]

490 years begins with the first decree of Artaxerxes in Ezra 7 (457 B.C.). Add 483 years and one comes to the baptism of Jesus in the fall of 27 A.D. (remember, no 'zero' year). Dispensationalists begin the 490 yrs. with the second decree of Artaxerxes in 444 B.C. and this is false. For futurists, then, the 483 years really becomes 476 years. Their math is off. The 70 weeks were completely fulfilled in Jesus' ministry and the preaching of the apostles until the stoning of Stephen.

[piscesR2cool]

wow 70x7 490 yrs. very interesting!