Tell the families of the FDNY/NYPD and the families of soldiers that went because of 9/11 that they died for no reason. That they had a meaningless death. That they were worthless. I doubt any truther could do that. Truthers are afraid of the REAL truth, that unpredictable things like this can happen and they are addicted to some sort of conspiracy to get off.
Truthers must really love the smell of shit because they prefer to ignore facts and live with their head so far up their asshole they could lick their belly button from the inside
Truthers are fucking idiots retarded monkeys are smarter than Truthers
This breaks my heart because I realise that not only are we muslims victims but also americans. The global zionist mafia is coming to an end, simply! Israel is the devils country.
When seeing Patricia McAllister's web site:. "Zionist Jew Fed Reserve.com.."- don't miss Dr David Duke's interview of her on Utube. Feature that- KKK man having common interest with African/American. Fired from LA School district 4 telling the truth.. Telling the truth is a powerful revolutionary act.. Being fired makes it self evident truth. Also check out the '45 Goals of Communism' put into congressional record 1963. Rabbi Steven Wise said “Some call it Marxism- I call it Judaism.”
When seeing Patricia McAllister's web site:. "Zionist Jew Fed Reserve.com.."- don't miss Dr David Duke's interview of her on Utube. Feature that- KKK man having common interest with African/American. Fired from LA School district 4 telling the truth.. Telling the truth is a powerful revolutionary act.. Being fired makes it self evident truth. Also check out the '45 Goals of Communism' put into congressional record 1963. Rabbi Steven Wise said “Some call it Marxism- I call it Judaism.”
March on the UN and tear it down brick by brick, it's a Foreign Power on American soil. All these wars, all these 911's are by and for the UN builders, who view it as world govt HQ. If you get RID of it, you will have real PEACE.
Superb & Highly Patriotic video! Thanx so much for ALL of ur efforts & everything that U do for all of us! U R Heroes! Vid "Faved" & "Thumbed WAY Up'!
I would be very worried with your troops occupied over seas. Your govt could do anything they like and are probably planning to quash this uprising. Your generals should bring home the troops and rain down hell on these crooks, hunt them like the dogs they are. Building 7 is ultimate proof this was an inside job. How could anyone question it? Comments stating hat triggers need to be sent to funny farms etc?? Ironic when you are the ones brainwashed(or employed to leave these comments) long live
We need more than an end to the wars. We need a revolution. The federal government has no more legitimacy. All the intelligence agencies need to be abolished and their files made public.And no more central banking or corporate citizenship.
@undeadpresident - Revolution solves nothing. RULE OF LAW compels those who govern you to abide by the Constitution or be ousted. Step up and enforce the Rule of Law! THAT would be a real "revolution".
@crazyforcanada well the thing with the law is that it's against the law to enforce it against leaders.....laws are just tools in the hands of the rulers for controlling the population. The idea is that everyone is equal under the law but that has never been the case and likely never will be.
@St0NRd I love using weed and shrooms before doing sports sometimes, it's a lot of fun and doesn't adversely affect me like alcohol does either in performance or recovery. I can't stand how ass-backwards the laws are!
I've always felt the United States' response to the devastating events of September 11th should have been peaceful and reflective of our humanity. I created a video and posted it on my channel to honor those who lost their lives that morning and in the wars that followed. Peace is possible, but it has to start somewhere.
@cclark101 THE AMERICAN PEOPLE JUST DONT GET IT , THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN HIJACKED FROM US. THE ATTACKS OF SEPTEMBER 11 2001 WERE FACTUALLY A INSIDE JOB. EVEN THE VICTIMS FAMILIES OF THE 9'11 ARE ASKING THE PUBLIC TO LOOK AT THE FACTS AND WAKE UP. HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR THIS ATTACK ON 9'11 WE WOULD NOT BE FINANCIALLY RUINED AND UNDER AN OBVIOUS POLICE STATE. WAKE UP ! IF YOU CANT FACE REALITY YOU WONT BE ABLE TO CHANGE REALITY. 9'11 TRUTH IS THE REMEDY ! THE POWER IS IN YOU !
AE911TRUTH Experts have science, evidence ect.. on there side. They have experts in all fields, WAKE UP !! Proof is here !! Dnt listen to uneducated u tube trolls
Who the hell can dislikes this video.. All those people who dislikes can go F*** themselves.. This is our country and we will fight til the end for it...
The thing about peace is that it is a broad concept, like at rest a peace of or even resting in peace, so a lot of people fell for it in the 60's and more fell for it when I was a teenager and now there is no chance that it could work now of days because education and definition are so vastly different for consumer identity's like black or white.
In Asian and Mongoloid cultures peace is a result of or a temporary state after WORK, and if there is no work for peace it cannot be done or Earned.
Bring our women and men home! We need them to defend us from the police state that is infiltrating our country. We need our troops to protect us at home now. Spread the truth, stand for truth and awaken this country - show our fellow Americans what the wicked powerful elite have done and plan to do. STAND UP America! STAND UP and FIGHT FOR THE FREEDOM THAT WE ARE LOOSING!!! God help us, our country is being held hostage by the wicked and greedy! GOD HELP US!
Dont worry. You will all have Peace after they are done taking over every country for a new world order. and they are done depopulating 90% of the planet.. then you will have peace in a prison system with the chip, the only peace you can have is to free the human race. aldobrandini orsini farnese breakspear Borgia They want you dead. using ghosts to do the dirty work
CIA Headhunters will KILL everyone who is ruining it' s concept of enforcement to get over the real limit of solidarity to enforce any kind of National Socialism against them...
you are only a minority group of renitency slaves...
@vengencefrom1979 Hitler was catholic and was elected in a country which was 90% christian? A Catholic is a christian,one of the very first to be exact.Everything else you said is dead on.
When will the anti-war liberals wake up and realize that 9/11 was an inside job and the WTC was a controlled demolition job.They can't keep trying to cover up the truth about 9/11.We should never give up and the hell with the anti-war liberals who don't want us at the anti-war protests.
Oh, and we don't believe in holographic images being used Tim.. That was discovery channel you sheep. And it IS possible to plant thermite using latex paint with rollers Bazinga! Oh also, people were evacuated days before so unknown construction companies could work without the building employees couldn't see anything.. Don't LIE here.
Shut up Papa.. Your a lier. Building # 7 and on from there. Your obviously not educated on any 911 events and the "BS" your talking about.. Accually has alot of evadence supporting 911 truther claims. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean you should be apart of it. Go watch some jersey shore!
I am the actual film maker who shot and edited this piece of propaganda and I must tell you that I'm ashame of what I did. I am also very much ashame of my participation in all of the events that WACLA did. Wacla is completely wrong on about most everything it stands for including 911 inside job BS. Please don't fall into the rabbit hole like these poor ignorant fools shown in this video. Try instead to help your country instead of hating it as much as they do.
@skumbaggingit -- I'm a VietNam vet that's voting for Dr. Paul. I think veterans question the US policy of constant war moreso than non-veteran citizens. More veterans donate to Dr. Paul than all other candidates combined! Ask the right question, you get the right answer - Ron Paul
Do you know how many people would have to be involved if 9/11 was an "inside job?" Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and everyone else who organized the attacks, Larry Silverstien, the people who planted tons explosives or thermite without any of the thousands of people who worked in the buildings noticing, the experts who determined where to put the thermite/explosives, Popular Mechanics and everyone else who wrote about it. See next comment.
The people who remotely flew the planes, the people who prepared the planes for remote flying, the hundreds of people who claimed to be on the planes, the people who fired a missile at the Pentagon, The security guards who ignored everything, the firefighters who knew building 7 was about to collapse before it did, everyone at NIST, everyone involved in the 9/11 commission, FEMA, the CIA, and everyone else who investigated it. See next comment.
@TimothyRaymond1 to war with germany and over another so called Terrorist attack on a US tourrist ship which were cruising in a war zone and made profit off of that. Or invaded vietnam, africa, its all been happening for years it makes sense for them to make up a reason to invade places for profit but so many millions of peoples lives not just americans but 3rd world countries I think its dumb how people just talk and take no action against the gov. but its marches like this that keep MEinspried
NOVA and everyone else who made documentaries about it, everyone at the BBC who announced the destruction of WTC 7 20 minutes before it happened, the rest of the news media, etc. And everyone involved knew they would be killing thousands of people. And what about the people who were asked to help kill thousands of Americans but refused? Why has no one come forward and admitted that they were involved or were asked to be involved? Please respond if you think I’m wrong.
@TimothyRaymond1@TimothyRaymond1 Dude you need to do more homework. It would not take "hundreds if not thousands of people to secretly place silent explosives or nano-thermite into the buildings..." I am talking hundreds of hours of homework. Are you up for that? Or is it easier to look at building 7 collapse and say ya that's logical and besides our government is so righteous they would never pull off something like this. There are whistle blower, some accidently died! See next
@crazyforcanada I would say fear. I have been told that they were not allowed to talk about 9/11 or they would lose their job - especially if they talked about conspiracy theories that did not support the official story.
in western civilations they say ; i believe that happend or i dont believe ... it isnt about believe its about evidence and this is another evidence that western media is under control of jews . demonestration like this have never been showedbroad cast in any media in western so called democratic media . why ?
so what is democracy means that america so proud of it ?
so what is freedom of speech means ?
so where are those so called human right organizations ?
You could debate any part of 911 you want, it doesn't matter. The ONE FACT and only ONE FACT that matters is that 911 could not have happened. During the 80's software was developed that would allow us to land any large us airline carriers jets anywhere we wanted, anytime we wanted over riding the controls of the airplane that was hijacked in a matter of minutes, period! So the whole story has one big hole in it that can not be filled. Vote this comment up through the roof, stop the lies!
Disappearing planes, I'm not sure what you mean, WTC or the Pentagon? Skyscrapers falling, ok the fires were not external. The inferno raged with temperatures up to 1800 degrees. The melting point of steel is 2750 deg, however at about 900 deg steel loses around 80% of it's strength, so the floor trusses started to bend and the fixings gave way due to the added strain. The floor trusses connected the outer frame to the central core to give it stability distributing the weight. Once the trusses..
Any of you fuckers who still think it WASNT an inside job, come explain to me why and we'll have a little debate. Come explain why i should forget everything ive learned about science and physics, and what ive seen. Maybe if i do that you will win.
@lukeindeed Have you got any evidence? just curious, im suspicious that it was because it of several factors such as why it took so long for them to fall down after the planes went into them, i havent seen any footage of the first plane crash, and it seemed to like collapse from the bottom of the building rather than wear the planes hit. i dont know much about building structures though.
@hornetgags Disappearing planes? Sky scrapers collapsing because of some external fire? Our defense planes standing down? Prior knowledge of it not taken seriously? Fake videos? Experts saying how its physically impossible for a plane to have hit pentagon? No serious investigation? Nothing left in any of the rubble except miraculously the ID's of the terrorists? The government taking away all video clips of the pentagon, also shipping away pieces of the buildings and things they found to be hid?
@lukeindeed Ok, you have questions which is understandable but not evidence, however you have to keep an open mind and research facts for yourself as well and not have any core beliefs because if you do nothing will convince you and it becomes an exercise in futility. So I'll try and answer them as concisely as possible.
@lukeindeed That's your debating method????? You just got schooled and don't like it. Typical Truther moron, can't debate. Have fun with your fantasies sweetheart.
collapsed the weight was mainly transferred to the outer frame for which it wasn't designed to take, so it started to bow outwards until it couldn't support the weight and you can see the outer frame snap outwards and that's when the collapse started. Now if it was freefall (as supported by truthers) it would have taken approx 9.2 seconds to fall, it took anywhere between 18-24 seconds as part of the central core remained standing briefly. Prior knowledge or LIHOP/MIHOP is the darling of...
@lukeindeed of truthers as it can be neither proved or disproved, it's mere speculation based on no real evidence that I have seen. Just because it could be true, doesn't mean it is true. Not sure what fake videos you're talking about. Well,these experts saying it's impossible at the Pentagon are disregarding the testimony of 99 people who saw the plane hit, 6 were almost hit by it and 25 identified an AA plane and the debris in the photos. The black box and the bodies were found in the Pentagon
@lukeindeed Based on these facts, it's up to the individual whether it's beyond a reasonable doubt. Well NIST have conducted investigation they employed hundreds of outside contractors and they have made them available, however Truthers refuse to accept their findings, that's their problem. The ID, look up PSA Flight 1776 in Iran where a plane nosedived into the ground, and disintegrated, killing everyone and they found 2 passports intact, so it's not beyond the realm of possibility.
Video of the Pentagon, apparently was being used in the trial of Moussaui and I've read they won't release them as it will compromise camera positions around the Pentagon. I'm not sure but, it's like the UBL pictures, some need to see it, some don't. I believe a plane hit but yes it would be cool to see video. Shipping the steel tends to be a fallacy. The Structural Engineers Association of New York were examining debris the following day as were FEMA, National Science Foundation and ASCE....
Quote from Dr W Gene Corey of the Anerican Society of Civil Engineers "There has been some concern expressed by others that the work of the team (ASCE/FEMA) has been hampered because debris was removed from the site and has subsequently been processed for recycling. This is not the case. The team has had full access to the scrap yards and to the site and has been able to obtain numerous samples.....
Quote continues: "At this point there is no indication that having access to each piece of steel from the World Trade Center would make a significant difference to understanding the performance of the structures"
So they had all they needed quite quickly. Anyway, hope that was concise enough.
Dan 7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet; 23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces......people are waking up? Not really. Not truthfully. Not yet.
People find it hard to deal with information that conflicts with their perception of reality. What they have known all their lives. It's called cognitive dissonance. Some will deny it, Ignore it or fight it. Truth does not yield to any of these. "Where the senses fail us, reason must step in."- Galileo
@jesusgrc1762 "People find it hard to deal with information that conflicts with their perception of reality"
Um, yeah, but we also find it hard to deal with information that flies in the face of common sense.
If we accuse people of things like mass murder and treason, we usually have more evidence than the fact that a skyscraper fell down too fast for our liking.
@unRompecabezas "we usually have more evidence than the fact that a skyscraper fell down too fast for our liking."
-pulverization of tons of concrete & near free fall speed; wtc7 not hit by plane collapse in 6 sec; molten metal under all 3 wtcs not possible w fire; put options on United/AA; multiple war games on 9/11; no military response on flght 77 1 hr 23 mins before hitting Pentagon; no use of 4 digit hijacking code on any of planes; FBI confiscate all videos;
@unRompecabezas I am not in a position to accuse anyone of mass murder or treason. I leave that to an independent investigation with subpoena power. if looking into one of history's most traumatic event is too much trouble, then what is?
@unRompecabezas Oh i see, you go by the "well if it's not in line with what the authorities say" then it's paranoia and suspicion. So, you basically swallow everything they tell you without any questioning whatsoever. I guess you think the U.S. Constitution is a paranoid piece of paper?
@jesusgrc1762 Well, at least I'm not suspicious enough to believe that there HAS to be another reason why buildings that were struck by fuel-laden jets and/or burned out of control for a long time later collapsed.
At least I'm not paranoid enough to believe that the government has super-secret demolition squads wiring buildings to murder people, and that every official investigation into 9/11 is a tissue of lies.
But hey, I'm sure you don't either. We're both reasonable people, right?
@unRompecabezas There are enough questions/conflicting evidence raised by credible people to warrant an investigation. I've list a few which you obviously dismissed. Critical thinking isn't paranoia, it's what humans with grey matter do instinctively.
If Galileo thought the way you did, we'd still be believing the the "authoritative" sun circling the earth theory.
@jesusgrc1762 Before you hurt yourself beating that straw man to death, I'm no great fan of Bush & Co., and I certainly have no qualms about accusing them of dirty deeds: WMD lies, torture prisons, agent Plame, the US attorney scandal, you name it.
That said, there's evidence and paper trails detailing the Administration's involvement in those crimes. If there were Wikileaked documentation of the planning and execution of 9/11, I'd accept that.
@unRompecabezas interesting. So, by your reasoning- aside from all the known deception, lies regarding govt activities in the past, it doesn't apply here. Well, you convinced me. I'm closing up shop and going back to sleep knowing everything is okidokie.
@jesusgrc1762 That's not what I meant at all. I said I'd expect a paper trail and leaks about such a heinous crime that must have involved so many operatives in various sectors of society. And until I see it, I'm not convinced by rhetoric or factoids.
@jesusgrc1762 What I meant is that the same exact thing applies: I believe Bush lied about WMDs, not because I happen to dislike Bush but because there's copious evidence he lied. I don't believe Bush engineered the 9/11 attacks, because the evidence isn't there.
@unRompecabezas understood, sorry i didn't realize the massive amounts of coincidences and conflicting evidence is not enough to spark your interest. There are whistleblowers, engineers, conflicting timelines, resistance to investigate, etc. all screaming some sort of cover up. The PNAC doc would be a good place to start. But, if you're waiting for a document that says "we did it", good luck.
@jesusgrc1762 No no, I'm the one who's sorry. If I had known about these "coincidences" and "conflicting timelines," I would have been on board since day one.
Why didn't you tell me about the coincidences? What were you waiting for??
@jesusgrc1762 You were the one dishing out the sarcasm, amigo. And if you think people are paid to play the truther shell game, then maybe you're a little more paranoid than you let on.
@unRompecabezas yes, no debating that. It was a response to your proposed logical that the govt can lie, deceive on countless other things, yet not on 9/11. Sarcasm just seemed appropriate. Your "truther" labeling certainly establishes your position of name-calling to try and discredit people. And if critical thinking, questioning authority and searching for truth labels me paranoid, i fully accept it.
@jesusgrc1762 "If we accuse people of things like mass murder and treason, we usually have more evidence than the fact that a skyscraper fell down too fast for our liking."
Correct me if i'm wrong, but I believe your first comment wreaks of sarcasm
@jesusgrc1762 Dude. No one said the government CAN'T be lying about 9/11, it's just that there's precious little evidence they WERE lying. Sorry to break it to you, but there actually were terrorists, there were planes, there were fires, etc.
It seems truthers would be much happier if we all said that Al Qaeda doesn't really exist, and everything bad that happens is because our big bad white overlords will it so.
@unRompecabezas Sorry, but there is PLENTY of evidence that contradicts the official conspiracy theory. The 3 different timelines given by the military for their unprecedented LACK of military response alone is enough to raise suspicion. No doubt, you are aware of this.
@jesusgrc1762 Contradictions now. You mean the fact that the military can't get their story straight is exactly what we'd expect if this were an elaborate false flag terrorist maneuver that had been painstakingly planned and executed?
And you mean you can present evidence that there weren't terrorists? There weren't planes? There weren't fires? Sounds like wishful thinking to me.
@unRompecabezas the fact that there was NO response at all is more than just incompetence. Standard protocols blatantly dropped. Yeah, I'd have a few versions, too. Norman Mineta's statements def point to some kind of stand down. Not everyone had to be involved. You know all this and yet dance around it.
BTW, nowhere have I made any ridiculous references to "there weren't terrorists? There weren't planes? There weren't fires?" But you seem to continually imply that I have. Any reason?
@jesusgrc1762 And, um, Bush punished Mineta for exposing the stand down by giving him the Presidential Medal of Freedom five years later? That's so plausible.
And I just wanted to know how grave these contradictions are. If the basic arc of the Official Conspiracy Theory is terrorists-planes-fires, and you're not disputing any of that, exactly what are you disputing? What in particular did the government lie about? Why do we need this case opened up again?
@unRompecabezas again: multiple military games depicting hijackings on 9/11; put options on AA/United; trillion $ military force & NO response; 3 wtc collapses; wtc7 (not hit by plane) collapse in 6 secs; molten metal in basements of all 3 wtcs (NIST DENIES EXISTENCE OF THIS DOCUMENTED FACT); pulverization of tons of concrete, near free fall speed thru path of greatest resistance, FIRES DO NOT CAUSE THIS.
make all the excuses you want. the evidence speaks for itself.
That's just a slew of factoids, not evidence. How does the mere fact that the three WTCs collapsed constitute evidence of an Inside Job?
"Fires do not cause this"? Aside from the fact that it's truther dogma and no one is supposed to question it, how in the world are you so certain what raging fires can and can't do to skyscrapers?
@unRompecabezas not dogma. fact based on physics & basic engineering principles. fire alone can't pulverize concrete into fine dust while ripping through tons of structural steel at near free fall speed. fire alone can't account for molten metal found & documented in all 3 wtcs. Fire doesn't shred/fragment furniture, human bones, into small particles. 1,151 people have not been identified!
@jesusgrc1762 My BS meter buzzes when someone dismisses the official scenario for an event or phenomenon based on common sense or rudimentary science. After all, we're talking about the cover story for an elaborate hoax involving mass murder. If there were a small but significant technical flaw in the analysis, I could understand. But would we expect the cover story to be so transparently absurd, and ridiculous to anyone familiar with basic physics? Or is it that old truther presumption again?
@unRompecabezas Yes BS exactly. nowhere have i present anything that can't be corroborated. it's your choice on what weight you give it. i'd rather side with those want the unanswered questions answered rather than just accept a report from the inside. if it's so clear cut, as you claim, then there should be no fear in an investigation. period.
I don't think the 911 truth thing is about inquiry at all. What sort of answer would you accept for building collapses you already have decided were physically impossible without controlled demo? I don't think you're looking for answers, you're just "siding" against people who aren't as suspicious and cynical as you.
If you scoff at any answer that doesn't involve explosives and an Inside Job, how open-minded and objective does that make you?
@unRompecabezas when the govt hired agency does not even look for alternative reasons for collapse other than fire based on NOT LOOKING FOR IT; when NONE of the evidence points by fire and ALL points to controlled demolition, when they make computer models without providing the data for it; when computer models don't reflect actual observed collapses; when they DENY existence of evidence (molten metal DOCUMENTED on all wtcs).
@jesusgrc1762 "when NONE of the evidence points by fire and ALL points to controlled demolition"
Um, except there were obvious fires raging in all three buildings, and no evidence of explosive damage to the columns. This kind of denial is why I question whether the 911 truth thing is even about inquiry in the first place.
@unRompecabezas Um, here's a little known FACT on planet earth. fire cannot cause the following:
"Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent intergranular melting," - FEMA Appendix C Limited Metallurgical Examination
this kind of denial is why i question your true motives.
@jesusgrc1762 Wow. That's the most sciencey factoid yet. And did FEMA report that those enormous support columns were sheared by explosives to precipitate the collapse of any of the WTCs? Wouldn't someone at Ground Zero have noticed that?
@unRompecabezas your "sciencery factiod" is what is referred to as DOCUMENTED FACT. naming it otherwise is a weak attempt to draw attention from it. as far as evidence for explosives: scientist have found chemical traces of explosives in wtc dust; near free fall collapse time; explosive ejection of steel beams observed in all videos; pulverization of concrete; NASA imagery showing extreme temps. etc., etc.
@jesusgrc1762 I love how the characteristics of the collapse are prima facie evidence of controlled demolition. You don't expect a collapsing skyscraper to fall in a downward direction very fast? You don't expect crushing, powerful ejection of debris, or pulverized material when an enormous skyscraper falls?
On the other hand, how many controlled demolitions let the buildings burn for a long time, then collapse? How many demos crash fuel-laden jets into the carefully prepared building?
@unRompecabezas wow, your reasoning defies any sensible logic. Where is the force to accelerate through stronger lower structure while pulverizing concrete, ejecting steel beams hundreds of feet laterally and near free fall speed all at same time? Where is crush up employed from the resistance of UNDAMAGED STRONGER STRUCTURE below? Suddenly, all UNDAMAGED cross-bracing/structure (inner core) below impact has disappeared & weaker upper structure (which disintegrates), causes this?. lol
@jesusgrc1762 I wonder whether I'll ever engage a truther who doesn't feel qualified to make sweeping statements about how a burning skyscraper should and shouldn't fall. You believe whatever the AE911Truth people tell you, and that's your prerogative.
Like I said, you scoff at any explanation that doesn't pander to your controlled-demolition fantasy, so why are you pretending to be interested in objective inquiry?
@unRompecabezas because the purpose of an objective inquiry is to look at ALL options. of course a govt appointed agency, govt appointed commission w administration members is not going to produce any OBJECTIVE INQUIRY. so what is left is for people to push for an actual credible and independent investigation that will, for the first time address the glaring contradictions. You know, what is normally done for any crime.
@jesusgrc1762 Um, I'm pretty sure there have been plenty of efforts to address these "glaring contradictions" during the decade since 9/11. But when confronted with evidence that doesn't pander to their controlled demolition fantasies, all the truthers have ever done is put their fingers in their ears and shout "I can't hear you la la la!"
@unRompecabezas there was only one press conference where NIST denied evidence and basically blew it off. NIST admitted that it did not test for explosive residues even though it's a requirement in the national standard for fire investigations, NFPA 921.
Of course, if they had tested for it, they would have found it, which would naturally conflict with their flawed theory. So, the only thing left to do is ignore any other evidence and use authority as your back up. "Political science." lol
@jesusgrc1762 You know what I mean. People have chased every factoid du jour down the rabbit hole and back. Every time something is raised as a "smoking gun," it gets examined, put into context, and then the truthers move on to the next factoid. Remember the dramatic shitstorm that ensued when someone claimed the BBC knew about WTC7's collapse before it happened? That "anomaly" turned out to be a non-story, like all the rest: "Pull it," Norman Mineta, the cell phone calls, etc. etc.
@unRompecabezas Sorry, but the NIST denial of evidence has never changed since day 1. In fact, they, actually changed their tune on wtc 7. remember their diesel fuel/tower debris theory that everyone pushed for years? Oh right, they changed it to a new phenomenon "thermal expansion." where, incredibly, one beam causes the global collapse of a 47 story steel framed building in 6 seconds. if you're ever going to label something a nut job conspiracy theory, that would qualify.
@jesusgrc1762 NIST discarding hypotheses when the facts don't fit seems sneaky to you? That's how an investigation works, amigo. They didn't find evidence that the steel itself had weakened enough to cause global collapse, so they investigated the possibility that thermal expansion of the beams caused lateral stresses on vertical columns that weren't designed to hold such loads.
Wouldn't you have been more suspicious if the govt had a report all ready on 9/12, here's what happened, case closed?
@unRompecabezas Naive. NIST changes their FACTS when they don't match their agenda. And, yes, that does seem sneaky.
Why not allow an independent investigation, then? Why not have an independent research lab work on the evidence? If they have nothing to hide, then there should be absolutely no problem. However, there is a problem...they aren't confident enough with their story to allow a 3rd, unbaised source pick apart the evidence.
You NEED to do more research. Look into "Able Danger".
@unRompecabezas all i've heard from you is nothing but "truther" this & that. plenty of opinion, yet nothing to back it up or even dispute any of my facts. how about answering any one of my questions? pick one.
@unRompecabezas "we usually have more evidence than the fact that a skyscraper fell down too fast for our liking."
-pulverization of tons of concrete & near free fall speed; wtc7 not hit by plane collapse in 6 sec; molten metal under all 3 wtcs not possible w fire; put options on United/AA; multiple war games on 9/11; no military response on flght 77 1 hr 23 mins before hitting Pentagon; no use of 4 digit hijacking code on any of planes; FBI confiscate all videos;
@unRompecabezas Holy shit, thank you! Somebody gets it. I'm glad I wasn't the only one grinding my teeth with absolute rage watching these self-righteous pricks "infiltrate" a peaceful demonstration.
@sixdgrs Oh, you know, the best way to get people to assess the aims and methods of US foreign policy, and raise awareness of human rights worldwide, is to fixate on how fast a skyscraper collapsed.
Building 7 is just SO relevant in the grand scheme of things.
@unRompecabezas And the worst part is that they don't even hide that their goal was to cover up the protesters spreading an anti-war message.
Large sidewalk-to-sidewalk banners placed ever 20 feet or so to completely block the view of any and every other message out there. Silencing the masses - apparently the 9/11 truth movement has become what they've been fighting against over the years. Congrats you egotistical, hypocrite douchebags.
@sixdgrs Quite the symbolic effort to convince anyone watching that the lunatic fringe has taken over the sincere anti-war community in the USA. Now everyone will think that anyone criticizing US foreign policy is one of these Building 7 nitwits.
blessed are the ones who see the light
TheFightaz 2 weeks ago
Tell the families of the FDNY/NYPD and the families of soldiers that went because of 9/11 that they died for no reason. That they had a meaningless death. That they were worthless. I doubt any truther could do that. Truthers are afraid of the REAL truth, that unpredictable things like this can happen and they are addicted to some sort of conspiracy to get off.
MrPansay 3 weeks ago
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Truthers must really love the smell of shit because they prefer to ignore facts and live with their head so far up their asshole they could lick their belly button from the inside
Truthers are fucking idiots retarded monkeys are smarter than Truthers
12weasel100 1 month ago
This breaks my heart because I realise that not only are we muslims victims but also americans. The global zionist mafia is coming to an end, simply! Israel is the devils country.
Wassouf10 2 months ago
When seeing Patricia McAllister's web site:. "Zionist Jew Fed Reserve.com.."- don't miss Dr David Duke's interview of her on Utube. Feature that- KKK man having common interest with African/American. Fired from LA School district 4 telling the truth.. Telling the truth is a powerful revolutionary act.. Being fired makes it self evident truth. Also check out the '45 Goals of Communism' put into congressional record 1963. Rabbi Steven Wise said “Some call it Marxism- I call it Judaism.”
2ndSamuel710 3 months ago
When seeing Patricia McAllister's web site:. "Zionist Jew Fed Reserve.com.."- don't miss Dr David Duke's interview of her on Utube. Feature that- KKK man having common interest with African/American. Fired from LA School district 4 telling the truth.. Telling the truth is a powerful revolutionary act.. Being fired makes it self evident truth. Also check out the '45 Goals of Communism' put into congressional record 1963. Rabbi Steven Wise said “Some call it Marxism- I call it Judaism.”
2ndSamuel710 3 months ago
Anyone who doesn't believe that jet fuel metal melts and evaporates metal should see video The Sonnenfeld slide show.
ahamatmabrahman 3 months ago
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Try to vote for Ron Paul. He is against illegal wars .
strongfoot2009 3 months ago
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Truthers are fucking idiots. Retarded monkeys are smarter than Truthers.
12weasel100 4 months ago
March on the UN and tear it down brick by brick, it's a Foreign Power on American soil. All these wars, all these 911's are by and for the UN builders, who view it as world govt HQ. If you get RID of it, you will have real PEACE.
crazyforcanada 4 months ago
Need to shut down the UN, and all else good will follow.
crazyforcanada 4 months ago
Superb & Highly Patriotic video! Thanx so much for ALL of ur efforts & everything that U do for all of us! U R Heroes! Vid "Faved" & "Thumbed WAY Up'!
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lizardfirefighter110 5 months ago
I would be very worried with your troops occupied over seas. Your govt could do anything they like and are probably planning to quash this uprising. Your generals should bring home the troops and rain down hell on these crooks, hunt them like the dogs they are. Building 7 is ultimate proof this was an inside job. How could anyone question it? Comments stating hat triggers need to be sent to funny farms etc?? Ironic when you are the ones brainwashed(or employed to leave these comments) long live
Dorsetlad1 5 months ago
We need more than an end to the wars. We need a revolution. The federal government has no more legitimacy. All the intelligence agencies need to be abolished and their files made public.And no more central banking or corporate citizenship.
undeadpresident 5 months ago
@undeadpresident - Revolution solves nothing. RULE OF LAW compels those who govern you to abide by the Constitution or be ousted. Step up and enforce the Rule of Law! THAT would be a real "revolution".
crazyforcanada 4 months ago
@crazyforcanada well the thing with the law is that it's against the law to enforce it against leaders.....laws are just tools in the hands of the rulers for controlling the population. The idea is that everyone is equal under the law but that has never been the case and likely never will be.
undeadpresident 4 months ago
@undeadpresident NEVER WILL BE
St0NRd 3 months ago
@St0NRd wish i was Dutch like you where you are free to smoke weed and use mushrooms without fear of the gestapo.
undeadpresident 3 months ago
@undeadpresident Yeah, It is very relaxing (the weed), like it to get out of this chaotic world, and allows me to see more of the beaty of live...
Yeah it's space
St0NRd 3 months ago
@St0NRd I love using weed and shrooms before doing sports sometimes, it's a lot of fun and doesn't adversely affect me like alcohol does either in performance or recovery. I can't stand how ass-backwards the laws are!
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megamogx 5 months ago
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I've always felt the United States' response to the devastating events of September 11th should have been peaceful and reflective of our humanity. I created a video and posted it on my channel to honor those who lost their lives that morning and in the wars that followed. Peace is possible, but it has to start somewhere.
marcpedraza 5 months ago
Look its the troofer cultist hijack a march with their nonsense. It time for the troofers to be round up and sent off to the funny farm.
cclark101 5 months ago
@cclark101 THE AMERICAN PEOPLE JUST DONT GET IT , THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN HIJACKED FROM US. THE ATTACKS OF SEPTEMBER 11 2001 WERE FACTUALLY A INSIDE JOB. EVEN THE VICTIMS FAMILIES OF THE 9'11 ARE ASKING THE PUBLIC TO LOOK AT THE FACTS AND WAKE UP. HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR THIS ATTACK ON 9'11 WE WOULD NOT BE FINANCIALLY RUINED AND UNDER AN OBVIOUS POLICE STATE. WAKE UP ! IF YOU CANT FACE REALITY YOU WONT BE ABLE TO CHANGE REALITY. 9'11 TRUTH IS THE REMEDY ! THE POWER IS IN YOU !
5onitws 4 months ago 2
@cclark101 - Show a little self-respect, learn to spell your language and speak like a man, not a monkey.
crazyforcanada 4 months ago
Want to know why we have so many wars? Google this:
25 Reasons To Absolutely Despise Bankers And Their Minions
or maybe this to realign our politics from Rep Vs Dem to Us vs the Bankers (i.e. the criminals of Wall Street)
Going Beyond Left And Right To The Anti-Banker Party Platform
Horse237 6 months ago
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Ron Paul 2012
TheJamezMan 6 months ago
There are huge protests planned for september this year (10th anniversary) My god look out!
morrismagic08 6 months ago
Still beating that old drum... Still no real way to get to the bottom of everything.
A wise man once said "You see what you want to see, and you hear what you want to hear". Harry Nilson "The Point".
JakeEvilclown 6 months ago
I love these people. Only 9/11 truth will set us free.
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XxRushx 6 months ago
AE911TRUTH Experts have science, evidence ect.. on there side. They have experts in all fields, WAKE UP !! Proof is here !! Dnt listen to uneducated u tube trolls
Headshothorror4488 6 months ago 2
you guys are fools, i prove that the stupid movement is the real cover up just watch my video sept 11th the smoking gun.
loosechangeexposed 6 months ago
HELL YEA!!!WERE CHANGE LOS ANGELES!!!!!!!!!!!
socalhippie420 6 months ago
awsome and inspireing video man!!!the next time you guys have another protest hit me up and ill join you in the fight!!!.....peace........
socalhippie420 6 months ago
Who the hell can dislikes this video.. All those people who dislikes can go F*** themselves.. This is our country and we will fight til the end for it...
streetrunner89 6 months ago 2
this video made me shed a tear .. THANK YOU PEOPLE OF LA !!!
mrgenius4 6 months ago
The thing about peace is that it is a broad concept, like at rest a peace of or even resting in peace, so a lot of people fell for it in the 60's and more fell for it when I was a teenager and now there is no chance that it could work now of days because education and definition are so vastly different for consumer identity's like black or white.
In Asian and Mongoloid cultures peace is a result of or a temporary state after WORK, and if there is no work for peace it cannot be done or Earned.
JonesArmandoHoward 7 months ago
Yeeee!!! Stick It To Them! Love And Truth (Beats) Sorrow And Hate! Dam The Power's That Be! Your The Scum!!!!! Dj(Unite)Mc - MADchester - UK.
UNITEWAD 7 months ago
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papahockeybear 7 months ago
God Bless you people! Let the people know the truth on 9/11. Stick it to them!
wolf7379 7 months ago
This makes my heart swell!
ConsciousAwakening1 7 months ago
@ConsciousAwakening1 This makes my heart swell too! Greetings from wolf7379! (I got it fixed and was able to reply! lol)
wolf7379 7 months ago
Thank You
TheDirtball69 7 months ago
good job We ARE CHANGE LA!!
cheaphorrors 7 months ago
Bring our women and men home! We need them to defend us from the police state that is infiltrating our country. We need our troops to protect us at home now. Spread the truth, stand for truth and awaken this country - show our fellow Americans what the wicked powerful elite have done and plan to do. STAND UP America! STAND UP and FIGHT FOR THE FREEDOM THAT WE ARE LOOSING!!! God help us, our country is being held hostage by the wicked and greedy! GOD HELP US!
OneFabFisher 7 months ago 2
Dont worry. You will all have Peace after they are done taking over every country for a new world order. and they are done depopulating 90% of the planet.. then you will have peace in a prison system with the chip, the only peace you can have is to free the human race. aldobrandini orsini farnese breakspear Borgia They want you dead. using ghosts to do the dirty work
adam3176 7 months ago
CIA Headhunters will KILL everyone who is ruining it' s concept of enforcement to get over the real limit of solidarity to enforce any kind of National Socialism against them...
you are only a minority group of renitency slaves...
GreeZ
ENJOY THE HELL AS WELL !!!
id26101970 7 months ago
did you know that hitler was catholic and was elected in a country which was 90% christian?
did you know that nazis were behind the killing of JFK and their first order of business after he was dead was to escalate the war in vietnam?
did you know that george bush's grandpappy was a nazi?
along with henry ford too?
not to mention quite a few big businesses on wallstreet.
did you know that 9/11 was an inside job and george bush destroyed all the evidence?
vengencefrom1979 7 months ago
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@vengencefrom1979 Hitler was catholic and was elected in a country which was 90% christian? A Catholic is a christian,one of the very first to be exact.Everything else you said is dead on.
MRELTUCO2 7 months ago
george bush should be arrested for treason. he's guilty of obstruction of justice which makes him an accessory to murder after the fact.
vengencefrom1979 7 months ago
@vengencefrom1979 bush is just a scumbag puppet just like any 1 in politics they have been long paid for
whitestar111 7 months ago
timraymond is an obvious disinfo shill
wellifthemediasaysit 7 months ago
YOU GUYS FUCKING ROCK!
lakelaxrookie49 7 months ago 2
If it was'nt for youtube, no one would know this event even took place.
Chewie576 7 months ago 3
UNITED WE STAND!
oleainatoivo 7 months ago
pride don't feed you
but fuck it feels good
911wikileaks 7 months ago 13
Finally some American people are waking up...
alboss13 7 months ago 33
@alboss13 their has some been awake since before 911 dude
whitestar111 7 months ago
When will the anti-war liberals wake up and realize that 9/11 was an inside job and the WTC was a controlled demolition job.They can't keep trying to cover up the truth about 9/11.We should never give up and the hell with the anti-war liberals who don't want us at the anti-war protests.
theseventhprotocol 8 months ago in playlist 9/11 Truth (Part 2) 3
Oh, and we don't believe in holographic images being used Tim.. That was discovery channel you sheep. And it IS possible to plant thermite using latex paint with rollers Bazinga! Oh also, people were evacuated days before so unknown construction companies could work without the building employees couldn't see anything.. Don't LIE here.
Alienpimp33 8 months ago
Shut up Papa.. Your a lier. Building # 7 and on from there. Your obviously not educated on any 911 events and the "BS" your talking about.. Accually has alot of evadence supporting 911 truther claims. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean you should be apart of it. Go watch some jersey shore!
Alienpimp33 8 months ago
I am the actual film maker who shot and edited this piece of propaganda and I must tell you that I'm ashame of what I did. I am also very much ashame of my participation in all of the events that WACLA did. Wacla is completely wrong on about most everything it stands for including 911 inside job BS. Please don't fall into the rabbit hole like these poor ignorant fools shown in this video. Try instead to help your country instead of hating it as much as they do.
papahockeybear 8 months ago
@TimothyRaymond1 money talks..so ya il stick with the truth and that is it was all planned by rich bankers who wont even more money
killuminati1871 8 months ago
SO MUCH RESPECT TO ALL THOSE WHO HAS JOINED THE WEARECHANGE MOVEMENT.
skumbaggingit 8 months ago
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vechorik 3 months ago
Do you know how many people would have to be involved if 9/11 was an "inside job?" Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and everyone else who organized the attacks, Larry Silverstien, the people who planted tons explosives or thermite without any of the thousands of people who worked in the buildings noticing, the experts who determined where to put the thermite/explosives, Popular Mechanics and everyone else who wrote about it. See next comment.
TimothyRaymond1 9 months ago
The people who remotely flew the planes, the people who prepared the planes for remote flying, the hundreds of people who claimed to be on the planes, the people who fired a missile at the Pentagon, The security guards who ignored everything, the firefighters who knew building 7 was about to collapse before it did, everyone at NIST, everyone involved in the 9/11 commission, FEMA, the CIA, and everyone else who investigated it. See next comment.
TimothyRaymond1 9 months ago
@TimothyRaymond1 to war with germany and over another so called Terrorist attack on a US tourrist ship which were cruising in a war zone and made profit off of that. Or invaded vietnam, africa, its all been happening for years it makes sense for them to make up a reason to invade places for profit but so many millions of peoples lives not just americans but 3rd world countries I think its dumb how people just talk and take no action against the gov. but its marches like this that keep MEinspried
RialtosAnonymous1 8 months ago
NOVA and everyone else who made documentaries about it, everyone at the BBC who announced the destruction of WTC 7 20 minutes before it happened, the rest of the news media, etc. And everyone involved knew they would be killing thousands of people. And what about the people who were asked to help kill thousands of Americans but refused? Why has no one come forward and admitted that they were involved or were asked to be involved? Please respond if you think I’m wrong.
TimothyRaymond1 9 months ago
@TimothyRaymond1 I do not believe It was a job involving alot of people but just less people.
There were no security at the airport by the twin towers yet there was at the airports by the pentagon and whitehouse
also washington dc, There were also a jet flight that practiced the 911 flight before the actual 911 attack
I believe they knew it was going to happen just didn't do anything to stop it because theres profit in it.
But then that is just what I read but in ww1 when we went
RialtosAnonymous1 8 months ago
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@TimothyRaymond1 @TimothyRaymond1 Dude you need to do more homework. It would not take "hundreds if not thousands of people to secretly place silent explosives or nano-thermite into the buildings..." I am talking hundreds of hours of homework. Are you up for that? Or is it easier to look at building 7 collapse and say ya that's logical and besides our government is so righteous they would never pull off something like this. There are whistle blower, some accidently died! See next
lizardfirefighter110 5 months ago
@TimothyRaymond1 Ask yourself why is it that so many F.D.N.Y. firefighters that were at 9/11 have remained silent on this issue.
lizardfirefighter110 5 months ago
@lizardfirefighter110 - Why have they? Fear?
crazyforcanada 4 months ago
@crazyforcanada I would say fear. I have been told that they were not allowed to talk about 9/11 or they would lose their job - especially if they talked about conspiracy theories that did not support the official story.
lizardfirefighter110 4 months ago
I think all you A--Holes need to move to Iran !!!!
denmic12 9 months ago
Just dont vote herman cane ron paul 2012
2020starman 9 months ago
in western civilations they say ; i believe that happend or i dont believe ... it isnt about believe its about evidence and this is another evidence that western media is under control of jews . demonestration like this have never been showedbroad cast in any media in western so called democratic media . why ?
so what is democracy means that america so proud of it ?
so what is freedom of speech means ?
so where are those so called human right organizations ?
please think for a minute
m98m99 9 months ago
Reichstag?
mark32811 9 months ago
congratulations
jrivasag 9 months ago
9/11 was a frame job!! Thats betterh than saying an inside job.
1111norton 9 months ago
9/11 was not an inside job , it was an isreali/mussad job
altocumulas 9 months ago
LaRouche hitler-obama at 0:35 .... NICE
lrn2wlk4life 9 months ago
You could debate any part of 911 you want, it doesn't matter. The ONE FACT and only ONE FACT that matters is that 911 could not have happened. During the 80's software was developed that would allow us to land any large us airline carriers jets anywhere we wanted, anytime we wanted over riding the controls of the airplane that was hijacked in a matter of minutes, period! So the whole story has one big hole in it that can not be filled. Vote this comment up through the roof, stop the lies!
makethemaccountable 9 months ago
Disappearing planes, I'm not sure what you mean, WTC or the Pentagon? Skyscrapers falling, ok the fires were not external. The inferno raged with temperatures up to 1800 degrees. The melting point of steel is 2750 deg, however at about 900 deg steel loses around 80% of it's strength, so the floor trusses started to bend and the fixings gave way due to the added strain. The floor trusses connected the outer frame to the central core to give it stability distributing the weight. Once the trusses..
hornetgags 9 months ago
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9/11 = 100% Inside Job
Born2Flesh 10 months ago
Any of you fuckers who still think it WASNT an inside job, come explain to me why and we'll have a little debate. Come explain why i should forget everything ive learned about science and physics, and what ive seen. Maybe if i do that you will win.
lukeindeed 10 months ago
@lukeindeed You seem so open-minded and ready to listen.
unRompecabezas 10 months ago
@lukeindeed Have you got any evidence? just curious, im suspicious that it was because it of several factors such as why it took so long for them to fall down after the planes went into them, i havent seen any footage of the first plane crash, and it seemed to like collapse from the bottom of the building rather than wear the planes hit. i dont know much about building structures though.
PeasantofMercia 9 months ago
@lukeindeed I'll debate you. Let's start with your evidence proving it was an inside job please?
hornetgags 9 months ago
@hornetgags Disappearing planes? Sky scrapers collapsing because of some external fire? Our defense planes standing down? Prior knowledge of it not taken seriously? Fake videos? Experts saying how its physically impossible for a plane to have hit pentagon? No serious investigation? Nothing left in any of the rubble except miraculously the ID's of the terrorists? The government taking away all video clips of the pentagon, also shipping away pieces of the buildings and things they found to be hid?
lukeindeed 9 months ago
@lukeindeed Ok, you have questions which is understandable but not evidence, however you have to keep an open mind and research facts for yourself as well and not have any core beliefs because if you do nothing will convince you and it becomes an exercise in futility. So I'll try and answer them as concisely as possible.
hornetgags 9 months ago
@hornetgags you an idiot, reread what you said and think about it
lukeindeed 9 months ago
@lukeindeed That's your debating method????? You just got schooled and don't like it. Typical Truther moron, can't debate. Have fun with your fantasies sweetheart.
hornetgags 9 months ago
@hornetgags How did i get schooled you fuking idiot... go get a life and suck obamas dick
lukeindeed 9 months ago
@lukeindeed Good come back, well done.
hornetgags 9 months ago
@hornetgags Thanks you dirty fucking bucktoothed faggot
lukeindeed 9 months ago
@lukeindeed LMAO. Thanks for the debate. Good luck to you.
hornetgags 9 months ago
@hornetgags Yea i clearly won that debate you dumb irrelevant piece if shit.
lukeindeed 9 months ago
collapsed the weight was mainly transferred to the outer frame for which it wasn't designed to take, so it started to bow outwards until it couldn't support the weight and you can see the outer frame snap outwards and that's when the collapse started. Now if it was freefall (as supported by truthers) it would have taken approx 9.2 seconds to fall, it took anywhere between 18-24 seconds as part of the central core remained standing briefly. Prior knowledge or LIHOP/MIHOP is the darling of...
hornetgags 9 months ago
@lukeindeed of truthers as it can be neither proved or disproved, it's mere speculation based on no real evidence that I have seen. Just because it could be true, doesn't mean it is true. Not sure what fake videos you're talking about. Well,these experts saying it's impossible at the Pentagon are disregarding the testimony of 99 people who saw the plane hit, 6 were almost hit by it and 25 identified an AA plane and the debris in the photos. The black box and the bodies were found in the Pentagon
hornetgags 9 months ago
@lukeindeed Based on these facts, it's up to the individual whether it's beyond a reasonable doubt. Well NIST have conducted investigation they employed hundreds of outside contractors and they have made them available, however Truthers refuse to accept their findings, that's their problem. The ID, look up PSA Flight 1776 in Iran where a plane nosedived into the ground, and disintegrated, killing everyone and they found 2 passports intact, so it's not beyond the realm of possibility.
hornetgags 9 months ago
Video of the Pentagon, apparently was being used in the trial of Moussaui and I've read they won't release them as it will compromise camera positions around the Pentagon. I'm not sure but, it's like the UBL pictures, some need to see it, some don't. I believe a plane hit but yes it would be cool to see video. Shipping the steel tends to be a fallacy. The Structural Engineers Association of New York were examining debris the following day as were FEMA, National Science Foundation and ASCE....
hornetgags 9 months ago
Quote from Dr W Gene Corey of the Anerican Society of Civil Engineers "There has been some concern expressed by others that the work of the team (ASCE/FEMA) has been hampered because debris was removed from the site and has subsequently been processed for recycling. This is not the case. The team has had full access to the scrap yards and to the site and has been able to obtain numerous samples.....
hornetgags 9 months ago
Quote continues: "At this point there is no indication that having access to each piece of steel from the World Trade Center would make a significant difference to understanding the performance of the structures"
So they had all they needed quite quickly. Anyway, hope that was concise enough.
hornetgags 9 months ago
@hornetgags thats just the start too... if i wanted to say it all id be typing here for a good hour at least
lukeindeed 9 months ago
9/11 was an inside job it seems clear, however there is nothing a demostration can do to change anything or bring to justice the murderers involved.
OutsideTheEdge 10 months ago
Dan 7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet; 23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces......people are waking up? Not really. Not truthfully. Not yet.
shadapple 10 months ago
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jesusgrc1762 11 months ago
if u want to see a straightforward scientific facts youtube "9/11: The Top Scientific Arguments"
then visit ae911truth . org
jesusgrc1762 11 months ago
Great job getting the truth out!
People find it hard to deal with information that conflicts with their perception of reality. What they have known all their lives. It's called cognitive dissonance. Some will deny it, Ignore it or fight it. Truth does not yield to any of these. "Where the senses fail us, reason must step in."- Galileo
jesusgrc1762 11 months ago
@jesusgrc1762 "People find it hard to deal with information that conflicts with their perception of reality"
Um, yeah, but we also find it hard to deal with information that flies in the face of common sense.
If we accuse people of things like mass murder and treason, we usually have more evidence than the fact that a skyscraper fell down too fast for our liking.
unRompecabezas 11 months ago
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@unRompecabezas "we usually have more evidence than the fact that a skyscraper fell down too fast for our liking."
-pulverization of tons of concrete & near free fall speed; wtc7 not hit by plane collapse in 6 sec; molten metal under all 3 wtcs not possible w fire; put options on United/AA; multiple war games on 9/11; no military response on flght 77 1 hr 23 mins before hitting Pentagon; no use of 4 digit hijacking code on any of planes; FBI confiscate all videos;
jesusgrc1762 11 months ago
@unRompecabezas I am not in a position to accuse anyone of mass murder or treason. I leave that to an independent investigation with subpoena power. if looking into one of history's most traumatic event is too much trouble, then what is?
jesusgrc1762 11 months ago
@jesusgrc1762 Oh, I see. This crusade is motivated by a commitment to objective inquiry, not suspicion and paranoia.
Let's believe anything!
unRompecabezas 11 months ago
@unRompecabezas Oh i see, you go by the "well if it's not in line with what the authorities say" then it's paranoia and suspicion. So, you basically swallow everything they tell you without any questioning whatsoever. I guess you think the U.S. Constitution is a paranoid piece of paper?
jesusgrc1762 11 months ago
@jesusgrc1762 Well, at least I'm not suspicious enough to believe that there HAS to be another reason why buildings that were struck by fuel-laden jets and/or burned out of control for a long time later collapsed.
At least I'm not paranoid enough to believe that the government has super-secret demolition squads wiring buildings to murder people, and that every official investigation into 9/11 is a tissue of lies.
But hey, I'm sure you don't either. We're both reasonable people, right?
unRompecabezas 11 months ago
@unRompecabezas There are enough questions/conflicting evidence raised by credible people to warrant an investigation. I've list a few which you obviously dismissed. Critical thinking isn't paranoia, it's what humans with grey matter do instinctively.
If Galileo thought the way you did, we'd still be believing the the "authoritative" sun circling the earth theory.
jesusgrc1762 11 months ago
@jesusgrc1762 Before you hurt yourself beating that straw man to death, I'm no great fan of Bush & Co., and I certainly have no qualms about accusing them of dirty deeds: WMD lies, torture prisons, agent Plame, the US attorney scandal, you name it.
That said, there's evidence and paper trails detailing the Administration's involvement in those crimes. If there were Wikileaked documentation of the planning and execution of 9/11, I'd accept that.
But the collapse speed of WTC7? Nah.
unRompecabezas 11 months ago
@unRompecabezas interesting. So, by your reasoning- aside from all the known deception, lies regarding govt activities in the past, it doesn't apply here. Well, you convinced me. I'm closing up shop and going back to sleep knowing everything is okidokie.
jesusgrc1762 11 months ago
@jesusgrc1762 That's not what I meant at all. I said I'd expect a paper trail and leaks about such a heinous crime that must have involved so many operatives in various sectors of society. And until I see it, I'm not convinced by rhetoric or factoids.
unRompecabezas 11 months ago
@jesusgrc1762 What I meant is that the same exact thing applies: I believe Bush lied about WMDs, not because I happen to dislike Bush but because there's copious evidence he lied. I don't believe Bush engineered the 9/11 attacks, because the evidence isn't there.
unRompecabezas 11 months ago
@unRompecabezas understood, sorry i didn't realize the massive amounts of coincidences and conflicting evidence is not enough to spark your interest. There are whistleblowers, engineers, conflicting timelines, resistance to investigate, etc. all screaming some sort of cover up. The PNAC doc would be a good place to start. But, if you're waiting for a document that says "we did it", good luck.
jesusgrc1762 11 months ago
@jesusgrc1762 No no, I'm the one who's sorry. If I had known about these "coincidences" and "conflicting timelines," I would have been on board since day one.
Why didn't you tell me about the coincidences? What were you waiting for??
unRompecabezas 11 months ago
@unRompecabezas that's it, let sarcasm dictate your real intentions. Pathetic and predictable. I'm curious, how much are they paying you?
jesusgrc1762 11 months ago
@jesusgrc1762 You were the one dishing out the sarcasm, amigo. And if you think people are paid to play the truther shell game, then maybe you're a little more paranoid than you let on.
unRompecabezas 11 months ago
@unRompecabezas yes, no debating that. It was a response to your proposed logical that the govt can lie, deceive on countless other things, yet not on 9/11. Sarcasm just seemed appropriate. Your "truther" labeling certainly establishes your position of name-calling to try and discredit people. And if critical thinking, questioning authority and searching for truth labels me paranoid, i fully accept it.
jesusgrc1762 11 months ago
@jesusgrc1762 "If we accuse people of things like mass murder and treason, we usually have more evidence than the fact that a skyscraper fell down too fast for our liking."
Correct me if i'm wrong, but I believe your first comment wreaks of sarcasm
jesusgrc1762 11 months ago
@jesusgrc1762 Dude. No one said the government CAN'T be lying about 9/11, it's just that there's precious little evidence they WERE lying. Sorry to break it to you, but there actually were terrorists, there were planes, there were fires, etc.
It seems truthers would be much happier if we all said that Al Qaeda doesn't really exist, and everything bad that happens is because our big bad white overlords will it so.
unRompecabezas 11 months ago
@unRompecabezas Sorry, but there is PLENTY of evidence that contradicts the official conspiracy theory. The 3 different timelines given by the military for their unprecedented LACK of military response alone is enough to raise suspicion. No doubt, you are aware of this.
jesusgrc1762 11 months ago
@jesusgrc1762 Contradictions now. You mean the fact that the military can't get their story straight is exactly what we'd expect if this were an elaborate false flag terrorist maneuver that had been painstakingly planned and executed?
And you mean you can present evidence that there weren't terrorists? There weren't planes? There weren't fires? Sounds like wishful thinking to me.
unRompecabezas 11 months ago
@unRompecabezas the fact that there was NO response at all is more than just incompetence. Standard protocols blatantly dropped. Yeah, I'd have a few versions, too. Norman Mineta's statements def point to some kind of stand down. Not everyone had to be involved. You know all this and yet dance around it.
BTW, nowhere have I made any ridiculous references to "there weren't terrorists? There weren't planes? There weren't fires?" But you seem to continually imply that I have. Any reason?
jesusgrc1762 11 months ago
@jesusgrc1762 And, um, Bush punished Mineta for exposing the stand down by giving him the Presidential Medal of Freedom five years later? That's so plausible.
And I just wanted to know how grave these contradictions are. If the basic arc of the Official Conspiracy Theory is terrorists-planes-fires, and you're not disputing any of that, exactly what are you disputing? What in particular did the government lie about? Why do we need this case opened up again?
unRompecabezas 11 months ago
@unRompecabezas again: multiple military games depicting hijackings on 9/11; put options on AA/United; trillion $ military force & NO response; 3 wtc collapses; wtc7 (not hit by plane) collapse in 6 secs; molten metal in basements of all 3 wtcs (NIST DENIES EXISTENCE OF THIS DOCUMENTED FACT); pulverization of tons of concrete, near free fall speed thru path of greatest resistance, FIRES DO NOT CAUSE THIS.
make all the excuses you want. the evidence speaks for itself.
jesusgrc1762 11 months ago
@jesusgrc1762 "the evidence speaks for itself"
That's just a slew of factoids, not evidence. How does the mere fact that the three WTCs collapsed constitute evidence of an Inside Job?
"Fires do not cause this"? Aside from the fact that it's truther dogma and no one is supposed to question it, how in the world are you so certain what raging fires can and can't do to skyscrapers?
unRompecabezas 11 months ago
@unRompecabezas not dogma. fact based on physics & basic engineering principles. fire alone can't pulverize concrete into fine dust while ripping through tons of structural steel at near free fall speed. fire alone can't account for molten metal found & documented in all 3 wtcs. Fire doesn't shred/fragment furniture, human bones, into small particles. 1,151 people have not been identified!
Maybe you can enlighten me?
jesusgrc1762 11 months ago
@jesusgrc1762 My BS meter buzzes when someone dismisses the official scenario for an event or phenomenon based on common sense or rudimentary science. After all, we're talking about the cover story for an elaborate hoax involving mass murder. If there were a small but significant technical flaw in the analysis, I could understand. But would we expect the cover story to be so transparently absurd, and ridiculous to anyone familiar with basic physics? Or is it that old truther presumption again?
unRompecabezas 11 months ago
@unRompecabezas Yes BS exactly. nowhere have i present anything that can't be corroborated. it's your choice on what weight you give it. i'd rather side with those want the unanswered questions answered rather than just accept a report from the inside. if it's so clear cut, as you claim, then there should be no fear in an investigation. period.
jesusgrc1762 11 months ago
@jesusgrc1762 "unanswered questions"
I don't think the 911 truth thing is about inquiry at all. What sort of answer would you accept for building collapses you already have decided were physically impossible without controlled demo? I don't think you're looking for answers, you're just "siding" against people who aren't as suspicious and cynical as you.
If you scoff at any answer that doesn't involve explosives and an Inside Job, how open-minded and objective does that make you?
unRompecabezas 11 months ago
@unRompecabezas when the govt hired agency does not even look for alternative reasons for collapse other than fire based on NOT LOOKING FOR IT; when NONE of the evidence points by fire and ALL points to controlled demolition, when they make computer models without providing the data for it; when computer models don't reflect actual observed collapses; when they DENY existence of evidence (molten metal DOCUMENTED on all wtcs).
the shoes on the other foot here.
jesusgrc1762 11 months ago
@jesusgrc1762 "when NONE of the evidence points by fire and ALL points to controlled demolition"
Um, except there were obvious fires raging in all three buildings, and no evidence of explosive damage to the columns. This kind of denial is why I question whether the 911 truth thing is even about inquiry in the first place.
unRompecabezas 11 months ago
@unRompecabezas Um, here's a little known FACT on planet earth. fire cannot cause the following:
"Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent intergranular melting," - FEMA Appendix C Limited Metallurgical Examination
this kind of denial is why i question your true motives.
jesusgrc1762 11 months ago
@jesusgrc1762 Wow. That's the most sciencey factoid yet. And did FEMA report that those enormous support columns were sheared by explosives to precipitate the collapse of any of the WTCs? Wouldn't someone at Ground Zero have noticed that?
unRompecabezas 11 months ago
@unRompecabezas your "sciencery factiod" is what is referred to as DOCUMENTED FACT. naming it otherwise is a weak attempt to draw attention from it. as far as evidence for explosives: scientist have found chemical traces of explosives in wtc dust; near free fall collapse time; explosive ejection of steel beams observed in all videos; pulverization of concrete; NASA imagery showing extreme temps. etc., etc.
jesusgrc1762 11 months ago
@jesusgrc1762 I love how the characteristics of the collapse are prima facie evidence of controlled demolition. You don't expect a collapsing skyscraper to fall in a downward direction very fast? You don't expect crushing, powerful ejection of debris, or pulverized material when an enormous skyscraper falls?
On the other hand, how many controlled demolitions let the buildings burn for a long time, then collapse? How many demos crash fuel-laden jets into the carefully prepared building?
unRompecabezas 11 months ago
@unRompecabezas wow, your reasoning defies any sensible logic. Where is the force to accelerate through stronger lower structure while pulverizing concrete, ejecting steel beams hundreds of feet laterally and near free fall speed all at same time? Where is crush up employed from the resistance of UNDAMAGED STRONGER STRUCTURE below? Suddenly, all UNDAMAGED cross-bracing/structure (inner core) below impact has disappeared & weaker upper structure (which disintegrates), causes this?. lol
jesusgrc1762 11 months ago
@jesusgrc1762 I wonder whether I'll ever engage a truther who doesn't feel qualified to make sweeping statements about how a burning skyscraper should and shouldn't fall. You believe whatever the AE911Truth people tell you, and that's your prerogative.
Like I said, you scoff at any explanation that doesn't pander to your controlled-demolition fantasy, so why are you pretending to be interested in objective inquiry?
unRompecabezas 11 months ago
@unRompecabezas because the purpose of an objective inquiry is to look at ALL options. of course a govt appointed agency, govt appointed commission w administration members is not going to produce any OBJECTIVE INQUIRY. so what is left is for people to push for an actual credible and independent investigation that will, for the first time address the glaring contradictions. You know, what is normally done for any crime.
jesusgrc1762 11 months ago
@jesusgrc1762 Um, I'm pretty sure there have been plenty of efforts to address these "glaring contradictions" during the decade since 9/11. But when confronted with evidence that doesn't pander to their controlled demolition fantasies, all the truthers have ever done is put their fingers in their ears and shout "I can't hear you la la la!"
unRompecabezas 11 months ago
@unRompecabezas there was only one press conference where NIST denied evidence and basically blew it off. NIST admitted that it did not test for explosive residues even though it's a requirement in the national standard for fire investigations, NFPA 921.
Of course, if they had tested for it, they would have found it, which would naturally conflict with their flawed theory. So, the only thing left to do is ignore any other evidence and use authority as your back up. "Political science." lol
jesusgrc1762 11 months ago
@jesusgrc1762 You know what I mean. People have chased every factoid du jour down the rabbit hole and back. Every time something is raised as a "smoking gun," it gets examined, put into context, and then the truthers move on to the next factoid. Remember the dramatic shitstorm that ensued when someone claimed the BBC knew about WTC7's collapse before it happened? That "anomaly" turned out to be a non-story, like all the rest: "Pull it," Norman Mineta, the cell phone calls, etc. etc.
unRompecabezas 11 months ago
@unRompecabezas Sorry, but the NIST denial of evidence has never changed since day 1. In fact, they, actually changed their tune on wtc 7. remember their diesel fuel/tower debris theory that everyone pushed for years? Oh right, they changed it to a new phenomenon "thermal expansion." where, incredibly, one beam causes the global collapse of a 47 story steel framed building in 6 seconds. if you're ever going to label something a nut job conspiracy theory, that would qualify.
jesusgrc1762 11 months ago
@jesusgrc1762 NIST discarding hypotheses when the facts don't fit seems sneaky to you? That's how an investigation works, amigo. They didn't find evidence that the steel itself had weakened enough to cause global collapse, so they investigated the possibility that thermal expansion of the beams caused lateral stresses on vertical columns that weren't designed to hold such loads.
Wouldn't you have been more suspicious if the govt had a report all ready on 9/12, here's what happened, case closed?
unRompecabezas 11 months ago
@unRompecabezas Naive. NIST changes their FACTS when they don't match their agenda. And, yes, that does seem sneaky.
Why not allow an independent investigation, then? Why not have an independent research lab work on the evidence? If they have nothing to hide, then there should be absolutely no problem. However, there is a problem...they aren't confident enough with their story to allow a 3rd, unbaised source pick apart the evidence.
You NEED to do more research. Look into "Able Danger".
GrowTheTruth 10 months ago
@unRompecabezas all i've heard from you is nothing but "truther" this & that. plenty of opinion, yet nothing to back it up or even dispute any of my facts. how about answering any one of my questions? pick one.
jesusgrc1762 11 months ago
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@unRompecabezas "we usually have more evidence than the fact that a skyscraper fell down too fast for our liking."
-pulverization of tons of concrete & near free fall speed; wtc7 not hit by plane collapse in 6 sec; molten metal under all 3 wtcs not possible w fire; put options on United/AA; multiple war games on 9/11; no military response on flght 77 1 hr 23 mins before hitting Pentagon; no use of 4 digit hijacking code on any of planes; FBI confiscate all videos;
jesusgrc1762 11 months ago
Building 7 fetishism, of course, is much more important than the loss of life in Aghanistan.
unRompecabezas 11 months ago
@unRompecabezas Holy shit, thank you! Somebody gets it. I'm glad I wasn't the only one grinding my teeth with absolute rage watching these self-righteous pricks "infiltrate" a peaceful demonstration.
sixdgrs 11 months ago
@sixdgrs Oh, you know, the best way to get people to assess the aims and methods of US foreign policy, and raise awareness of human rights worldwide, is to fixate on how fast a skyscraper collapsed.
Building 7 is just SO relevant in the grand scheme of things.
unRompecabezas 11 months ago
@unRompecabezas And the worst part is that they don't even hide that their goal was to cover up the protesters spreading an anti-war message.
Large sidewalk-to-sidewalk banners placed ever 20 feet or so to completely block the view of any and every other message out there. Silencing the masses - apparently the 9/11 truth movement has become what they've been fighting against over the years. Congrats you egotistical, hypocrite douchebags.
sixdgrs 11 months ago
@sixdgrs Quite the symbolic effort to convince anyone watching that the lunatic fringe has taken over the sincere anti-war community in the USA. Now everyone will think that anyone criticizing US foreign policy is one of these Building 7 nitwits.
What a shame.
unRompecabezas 11 months ago
@unRompecabezas They're moon bats and moon bat prodigies.
seanredsky 11 months ago