Fatal Vision: Jeffrey MacDonald vs. Franz Grebner 2/2

[bealestbluesss]

The actor with black hair that stand's up played the prosecutor in the movie "The Accused" that would have driven me nut's knowing I'd seen him in a movie but what movie....I just watched "TheAccused" not that this matters in regard to the movie at hand.

[carriemindpls1]

He should be bitch slapped for saying "you're more thorough than I thought". What an arrogant and cold man.

[countryhoney28]

This movie is by far one of the best acted- to know, as an actor that you may suffer the wrath that this real life monster deserves in every sense. Not only does Gary Cole excel in his take on this criminal, he also knows that he is up against two veteran actors. Karl Malden's Freddie Kassab is what we all hope what our family would do in order to seek justice, to take on this regardless of the outcome, for he had nothing to lose. If it weren't for his drive, his son in law would be free today.

[LetFreedomRing]

Grebner=110 points

JRM= negative 20 points.

[BettinaBalser]

"You didn't do it yourself, did you?"

[HUSKY57887]

Anyone reading/watching the book/movie will be convinced McDonald is guilty. If you watch the movie it shows one of the police turning the flower pot right side up. I think they also take a wallet.

[jimpurdie]

i totally think macdonald had noticed a girl with a hat on with some guys a few times like druggies whilst driving into the base and he thought to himself ill say thats who ill blame and describe,i think he planned it not long after the manson murders hence the magazine in the living room hes pissed off with the wife and kids pissing his bed and the motive is FREEDOM simple as that ,look what he did after the army cleared him? off to sunny southern california as a single handsome doctor!

[Banner1979]

Gary Cole was very good in that scene, playing a pathological and emotionally sly liar.

[maf127]

Gary Cole does an excellent job in this movie. He really captures the essence of the role.

[stackleft]

@KristenKalianassaKat shut up. he did it and he's in jail taking it up the ass. lol.

[jksonny]

@KristenKalianassaKat MacDonald was not the all American, great guy that many thought/claim he was. He was a pathological liar, manipulator and extreme egotist from early on. My point is that Mac did not just suddenly snap over bedwetting or anything else. His sense of rage and resentment had been building for years and whatever started the fight was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

[jksonny]

@KristenKalianassaKat You need to do some research on Beasley. He's not credible.

[jksonny]

@KristenKalianassaKat Those "blonde wig hairs" could be anything from anywhere. As I've said many times, we all have all sorts of fibers, synthetic and otherwise, all over our homes. In any event, they do not wash away the mountain of evidence against MacDonald.

[jksonny]

@KristenKalianassaKat Clearly, there were/are many who believe the fiber evidence, including, most importantly, the jury.

[jksonny]

@KristenKalianassaKat MacDonald has been screaming about the flower pot, his wallet, etc., etc. for years and claiming that these screw-ups prove he was railroaded. He never mentions that he wasn't convicted based on any of those things. The prosecution's case was built on the fiber and blood evidence, which has stood the test of time and will keep him in jail for the rest of his life.

[jksonny]

@KristenKalianassaKat I don't consider sociopathy to be a mental illness. In any event, if you read the grand jury testimony (among other transcripts), you'll see that various psychologists found MacDonald to have significant mental issues.

[jksonny]

@KristenKalianassaKat Some photos were taken before anything was taken from the couch.

[jksonny]

@KristenKalianassaKat That's b/c he's lying/faking.

[jksonny]

@KristenKalianassaKat Same old MacDonald con: He's just one piece of evidence/ one witness/one hearing/one lab test away from being vindicated. It's garbage. He's guilty and he's not going anywhere.

[Nathanrailfan]

A&E used to play this all the time.

[jksonny]

@KristenKalianassaKat MacDonald murdered/slaughtered his wife and two young daughters and has never shown an ounce of remorse. In addition, he is a pathological liar and an extreme narcissist. I think those are pretty solid indicators of sociopathy.

[jksonny]

@KristenKalianassaKat For one thing, MacDonald will never walk out of prison under any circumstances. In any event, the result of a modern trial would be the same. The evidence against him is overwhelming.

[jksonny]

@KristenKalianassaKat It's not difficult for me to comprehend at all. It's never surprised me that MacDonald has not admitted his crimes. He's a sociopath and he gets off on trying to con people into buying into his scam.

[jksonny]

@KristenKalianassaKat As I've said, there are many fascinating elements: the question of what started the fight between Colette and Mac, what exactly happened during the killing spree, the personalities of all those involved, the long legal battle, etc., etc.

[jksonny]

@KristenKalianassaKat For one thing, MacDonald has refused to admit his crimes, much less show remorse. But in any event, a parole board would be HIGHLY reluctant to grant/recommend the release of a man that butchered his wife and two young daughters.

[jksonny]

@KristenKalianassaKat He was not framed. The motive of those opposed to MacDonald's parole is to keep a violent, dangerous sociopath behind bars.

[Chexmiser]

It was this day, April 6, 1970 that McDonald first told his story. It was this day, 6 weeks after the murders, that he sat down at begun to spin the 'intruder' scenario. When he realized that they weren't buying his version of events at face value, he started to try and make his story match the evidence. IMO, what he's said since, doesn't mean squat. This interview speaks volumes of his involvement and guilt.

[Chexmiser]

It was this day, April 6, 1970 that McDonald told his story for the first time. When he was being questioned and began to see that they weren't accepting his account at face value, he started the spin to make the evidence match his version of events. He's been doing that ever since. IMO, what he's said since doesn't mean squat. It's what he said here- at this time- 6 weeks after the murders- that speak volumes of his involvement and guilt.

[jksonny]

@Chexmiser I agree completely. After all, as others have said concerning MacDonald: "He'll say anything to anybody."

[Gwyka]

@KristenKalianassaKat A bit soon to be crowing about MacDonald getting out of jail.

[jksonny]

@KristenKalianassaKat That will never happen. MacDonald is staying exactly where he is.

[jksonny]

@KristenKalianassaKat You're truly delusional.

[jksonny]

@KristenKalianassaKat MacDonald wasn't railroaded. He did it and the evidence proves it. He is a manipulative, destructive sociopath that is right where he belongs.

[HUSKY57887]

The book,and movie were very one sided. Anyone interrested in a differant perspective,read "Fatal Justice";(dont recall the author;it's not Mcdonald).

[steventhestudent]

Gary Cole is a good lookin fella.

[jksonny]

@KristenKalianassaKat I'm not sure how many ambulance units responded to the call but once it was determined that everyone was dead except Jeffrey MacDonald, the other paramedics didn't have much to do. The CID should have gotten control of the scene and told everyone to leave but obviously, that didn't happen.

[Gwyka]

25 people according to who?

[jksonny]

The same guy apparently stole MacDonald's wallet. MacDonald has latched onto those events as proof that the CID was incompetent and that he was railroaded.

[Gwyka]

Gary Coleman is hot. MacDonald didn't think Coleman was good enough to play him - he wanted Robert Redford!

[jksonny]

I think you mean 'Gary Cole.' I'm not sure Gary Coleman could have pulled off the role. "What'choo' talkin' 'bout, Mr. Grebner?"

Cole did a fantastic job. He made a perfect cocky, lying sociopath. I believe he was in the running for the Sonny Crockett role in 'Miami Vice.' It's interesting that he does a lot of comedy now. Great actor, very diverse.

Cole is also good as a cop in another true crime movie, 'Echoes in the Darkness.'

[Gwyka]

Yes, I meant Gary Cole - I don't know what made me type Coleman - two completely different people!

Anyway, Gary COLE is hot!

[LetFreedomRing]

@jksonny Re: Gary Coleman-HAHAHAHAHA!

Gary Cole did a great job. He played this role just as slimy as the real JRM actually is.

[Nathanrailfan]

I think they were testing Jeff's limits. They might have known that if what Joe Ginniss is saying about diet pills and if Jeff were likely to blow up it proved them right.